How EA's FIFA destroyed PES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- FIFA vs PES - the two biggest football gaming franchises of all time. Goal investigates the battle between PES and FIFA and why shifts in popularity and market dominance have changed since both games arrived on the scene.
“Konami knows where it all went wrong.”
Wes Yin-Poole - Editor, Eurogamer
“That’s where Konami dropped the ball.”
ChuBoi - Content Creator, Esports Host
In 2008 the rivalry was very much alive, with Konami’s Pro Evolution Soccer 09 selling 6.9 million copies - compared to EA Sports FIFA 09 title with 8.7million. But by 2014, PES sales had dwindled to 1.7m while FIFA had ballooned to 18 million - so how did EA break away? And is it possible to identify one title that changed everything?
0:00 - FIFA vs PES: when did EA break away?
0:50 - FIFA International Soccer: Origins
1:32 - Konami precursors to PES
2:21 - PES: cultural impact
4:16 - EA take control
5:18 - FIFA Ultimate Team arrives
6:52 - FUT takes FIFA to another level
7:27 - Can PES22 match up to FIFA22?
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Which football game is the most influential of all time?
Headsoccer
PES
PES
I think Fifa 15 got most ppl into Fifa more than Pes
Fifa
Next should be: How EA's FIFA killed EA's FIFA.
And next how Konami destroyed pes and all their other games because of the pachinko machines.Konami are the Japanese ea.Former great developers that want money right now because they don't have competition.
Lol FIFA is literally the biggest game in the world after gta and fortnite
I dont like FIFA .I like PES
But im not gonna be a liar 🤣
@@chriswolf1089 FIFA may as well be a pachinko too ngl
@@Abdirahman_Mohamed well it is a gambling machine that's for sure
@@bobchipman7737 Minecraft is actually
EA just has the licenses, PES has the better gameplay.
Exactly. FIFA 21 gameplay is absolute garbage. Winning eleven 2002 has a better gameplay than FIFA 21
Master league is garbage compared to career mode tho
@@dyasprabandana5051 no its not. Career mode is garbage
@@aranighosh3945 you can’t sim a full season in pes master league, u gotta play each and every game to complete the season and move onto the next, how am i suppose to rebuild a team like fulham for example? That team takes years to rebuild, player potential is awful in pes, youth academy is always the same, no player morale, seriously? Fifa is miles better in career mode no doubt, if you think master league is better give me at least three good reasons
No, wrong.
PES is gameplay
While FIFA is everything but, gameplay
Except the licenses since fifa has the rights for multiple international domestic leagues and pes has some exclusive club licenses
Fifa is the best.
@Crazy Nav 😭😭
@Crazy Nav not at all.
@Crazy Nav u mean thos toohtpick bodies and those faces who look like they took 1 min in blender
the Licenses put Fifa ahead. like it always is, MOney Wins in the End
You can patch them in on playstation and pc.
Even before I could, I made all the team kits myself.
@@LeDardeursPalace i know i always did aswell. i am still playing Pes too. But the Licenses are needed for a good ONline Mode and thats what put Fifa ahead in Market share. sadly
@@johnnylangen2839 that's why when you want to play online, you play fifa but in career mode pes
Bro shut up fifa is miles better
@@2xrt844 you shut up bro , fifa's graphics is not even close to pes
Fifa - arcadey, you play with your friends or when you tryna have fun
Pes - realism, playing alone and want to experience simulation
No i disagree i have many memories playing with my friends pes after school, we did tournaments... Memories
@@panagsamo4 i remember back when these qualities were swapped around. Pes was more arcady and fun, whereas fifa was more realistic. That all changed from about fifa 12,13, 14 and pes' fox engine made it way more realistic
@@tenidas7345 you are right bro, pes was the most enjoyable football game back in the day undoubtedly
Fifa= fun? No buddy lol
@@zcat9721 yea fun
I transitioned from being a long time player of FIFA to PES, and I must say I don't even feel like looking back at FIFA again. The gameplay mechanics on PES are way better and dwarf FIFA in comparison.
I never cared for licensed teams or FUT, hence it's all the more sorted in terms of choice for me.
I played FIFA since 1996. I give up 3 years ago and I love PES. I don't care about licenses or this kind of stuff. I just want a good football game.
Me and my bro literally shifted from Fifa to Pes just recently with PES 2021 and I must say PES is definitely better than FIFA. The Gameplay is better, Licences don't really matter with the option file feature of PES, and the Career mode is quite refreshing after playing FIFA for so long.
not to mention on pes you can easily download all the licenses if you are on pc or ps4
Same
Agreed
LMAO.. Did that dude really say that FIFA has better gameplay than PES?
He probably hasn't played pes in 15 years or ea has sponsored this videos
Chillout nerds its just his opinion jesus Christ u defending million dollar companies 🤣
LMAO.. Are there really still Konami fanboys holding onto their deluded little idea that PES hasn't been surpassed in every way by the laziest, scummiest game series known to man aka FIFA?
It does rn. PES 13 is the best football game ever created is his own time, but in 2014 everything went proportionally bad. They put PES 14 in the trash bag and never got back from it...
Trying to compete with FIFA is what brought down PES to low levels. It used to have its own thing, focused on realistic football gameplay as much as that was possible back in the day. Then Konami tried to make a buck in FIFA's arcade back yard and the spiral began. Add to that Konami's insistence on not listening to the fan base, removing features that were liked for no reason, adding things no one asked for and a stubborn resistance to redo animations, physics and quality of life within the game, and you get what you have today. There are instances in which PES blows you away, but I find myself only able to play two to three games of ML a day before the rest simply frustrates me to quit.
Rails are all over the place and you have to use Super Cancel almost all the time to combat them.
AI has "in possession" and "out of possession" modus operandi which results in frustrating instances of players ignoring a loose ball when they can clear get possession of it. This is most evident when you pass or kick the ball and it touches an opponent. Your entire team immediately switches from "in possession" to "out of possession" and players run back into defensive position when the ball can clearly be recovered. You have to manually fight to get it back, use Super Cancel and what not and guide a player to the ball. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. Not teaching your AI that the ball is a crucial part of the game of footBALL has been an issue I've had with PES for ages and Konami refuses to tackle it.
The ball is still not an independent object but stuck on rails along with everything else. It doesn't bounce off players as it should and creating an unpredictable result with every shot/pass/cross. Instead, when the AI shots and there's a deflection, 9/10 times it's a corner. Don't even get me started on goal bound deflections. In the last week alone I've seen AI GK easily save deflections from my shots while my GK stumbles and I concede.
Animations are stale, I'm pretty sure they haven't introduced new ones since Winning Eleven days and even those are mostly feints and tricks.
Referees in PES make Premiere League referees look like prime Pierluigi Collina. This is also due to rails. I understand how difficult this must be to program in a game, but witnessing NFL style tackles that don't result in fouls and then seeing a simple nudge be called. C'mon!
Speed of the game is all off. Shots have no whip anymore and the ball is floaty. That used to be something I adored about PES, being able to perform exactly the type of shot I wanted from every angle. Finesse shows around the GK, lacing the ball through him, hitting it high, rolling it low past the GK, you name it. Now you have to go full manual to pick a corner but the way the players strike the ball is both odd and doesn't have the same feel as the old days.
Crossing in ePES 2021 is something that irks me to no end. Players have to face toward the box to cross?! Really?! Right footed player running down the right channel can't wrap his foot around the ball to send it in the box with pace and a modicum of precision?! I mean, really?! Crossing used to be fun as hell, you could place the ball near post, middle of the box, far post, ahead of the player, directly at him, high arc, fast and curving, the lost. And you could actually get on the end of it with some power. Now, every header floats about.
Corners, same thing. There used to be nuance about PES corners. It mattered if you sent an in swinger or out swinger. Out swinger would keep the ball away from the GK, the headers had more power and swerve from them. In swingers had to be sent farther from the GK or he'd catch them and heading the ball required a player who was actually good at it. They added set piece strategy and that's great, but there is not whip from corners anymore.
Free kicks used to require practice, moving the ball around the box, trying it with a left footed player, right footed player, using power or swerve. Now, every single players starting with the default time can score a stunner. While I agree that hitting a ball over the box with swerve is relatively easy for professional football players, scoring is a different thing. ePES 2021 is jam paced with free kick specialists.
Contextual reactions from players are non-existent, always have been. I'm talking about the ball bouncing off players like from a brick wall when there's a chance a corner might happen for the AI. Not delicate touch to prevent that, no last ditch slide and swing to prevent the ball from going out of bounds and resulting with a corner. Context matters in football.
Speaking of touches. First touch needs a comeback and it needs waaaay more variety and control. First touch is the difference between getting into a good shooting position, avoiding a defender, et cetera.
Players not responding to input but taking their merry time before passing despite an AI pressing them! What's that about?! CONTEXT MATTERS!
But all of that is too much for Konami. I'm desperate for another developer to make a realism based football game. Kitana media forum boards are packed with ideas that are getting forwarded to Konami but they don't listen. You can make an entire football game from those ideas.
Argh, whatever.
This should be it own post, not only coment on a video
Winning eleven is legend🤣🤣
What sir ????
@@cfcmoi11 bruh homie, never heard of winning eleven?
is a game in ps2
Fifa fun boys in a nutshell 8:05 and 8:34. Do you see the contradiction? Man already admitted it’s not really about gameplay and then comes back saying fifa has the better gameplay, funny thing is pes mainly focuses on gameplay since they can’t complete with fifa with licensing.
I know liking a game is subjective but come on, football games are meant to be a simulation of football matches and pes does just that 🤷🏾♂️, anyone who has eyes would see.
yup
PES 13 is the best football game ever created is his own time, but in 2014 everything went proportionally bad. They put PES 14 in the trash bag and never got back from it...
Pes 2015 was goated with soundtracks to gameplay fifa was no where near enjoyable. Kids these days just know fifa microtransactions and game modes , the real gameplay and realism it was all pes. SAD they didnt have licenses. It was an era
altrenate title: how EA turned their game into pay to win
Thought the same thing, it's just an advertisement for FUT. Waiting for the next title, you can also buy goals.
IF Konami bring back the master league of PES 13 and with better my club like they said we want to do in PES 22.
@@chriswolf1089 let's see what Konami can do with unreal engine.
They have to rebuild everthing in the game .
Menu/ My Club / My player master league and more.
They have lost the serie A license to EA again
@@chriswolf1089 EA win in terms of licenses.
And PES in gameplay
@@lf566 i agree with that but both of them are known for being the most greedy developers and including a lot of microtransactions
@@chriswolf1089 imagin if Rockstar do a football game is gonna to be the most detailed football game ever😂
As covered, Konami destroyed PES with PES 2008 - a disastrous jump to next gen. But credit to EA, they rightly owned that generation through gameplay, not because of FUT. In the last five years we've been shafted because - as Chuboi says - gameplay doesn't matter. Online play and e-sports so paramount that AI has been neglected and both titles have major flaws. There's a reason why the retro community thrives.
They had the bigger financial backing and got all the licenses. Brand recognition is so powerful, it trumps everything else in the public's eye
@@zombievikinggaming4258 That's true, explaining why FIFA outsold PES even during PES's PS2 heyday. But in my opinion FIFA on seventh gen was excellent, and superior to PES. PES was set back massively by 2008 and never fully recovered.
Honestly dont think FIFA has been any better than FIFA 18. I switched to PES to change it up and I dont think i'll switch back. Hoping PES22 is 👌🏿🤞🏿
Didn’t age well
Don't cry at e football 🤣
rip, just got e football and it *sucks*
Yeah go enjoy efootball now lmfaoo
Class comments by Zafar the Gaffer TBF
I'm sorry but I think that the people speaking in this video haven't played PES in quite some time. I respect their opinion but they are literally saying that PES is no where near as good as FIFA whereas many people think that PES has better Gameplay.
And now I think that FIFA is going to flop soon. They are releasing more or less the same game every year and players are getting really pissed off now.
PES has always played a game that is closer to real football. It’s just one of those things. If they don’t know then you can’t tell em. When they say FIFA has better gameplay they can’t give a single reason. It’s all irrelevant now because PES online has gone belly up 😞
@@cb25 True
When Pes always win by better Gameplay, Graphics and Simulation
Fifa fans:- 8:06
Your delusion doesn't affect reality
7:44 seeing this after the shambolic efootball 2022 release is hilarious.
Both fifa and pes are awesome who loves soccer!pes has the most beautiful game on the pitch...fifa has the story mode the way you achieve trophies...if we mix them in another soccer game (which nowdays doesn't exist)we would have best game ever...anyway looking forward for next engine generation in pes 22 and fifa22....
Its football not soccer!
Pes 5 & 6 were the best pes games
Both are even better than the first 7 fifa games on PS2
@@bp8300 les jeux FIFA sur ps2 ne sont pas bon à part peut etre FIFA 05
Best ISS pro évolution 2 on ps1
PES 5 on ps2
PES 2013 on 360
PES 2016 on ps3
PES 19 on ps4
best of the best PES 19
My préféré PES 18 on ps4
i was playing pes 21 and just installed fifa 21 from xbox game pass and then uninstalled fifa 21. End of story
i played football manager 21,pes 21 and fifa 21.Deleted pes 21 and fifa 21 cause they were trash.Simple End of Story
Pes 2014 sure,but older Pes?!I don't think fifa game better than Pes 6 at the time
Goal: FIFA sold more than pes
Me : FIFA glitches are 😂😂
He says he's not a fifa fanboy, but he says that as a FIFA fan they want a good PES 😂
Lmao
PES 6 all the time ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
What are these clowns talking about. I've been a die hard FIFA fanboy since FIFA 08 but the previous years especially this years edition is absolute trash when it comes to gameplay. Goal keepers are weak as hell, defending is so trash, attackers so are OP, not to mention the arcady gameplay with ping pong passing. Seriously I got fed up with FIFA 21 and gave pes 21 a try and oh boy I'm sticking with PES till FIFA changes their gameplay. PES gameplay is way superior to FIFAs gameplay because it mimicks real life football in almost every aspect of the game from the pace, the passing, realistic dribbling ( not fast robotic FIFA dribbling) and even the body movements and animations. PES 21 is really good and you can give it a try
I think the PES 2021 has too limited an engine. Now they went for the most popular engine(unreal), which has a larger range with the difference of the fox engine.
PES has a better gameplay, graphics, gameplay logic and player faces. EA FIFA just lucky to have the licenses. 👎👎👎 for EA’s FIFA
The answers they give in this video is so biased towards FIFA...that bald guy literally said FIFA's gameplay is better than PES 😂😂😂 what?!?!! No. It's not. PES wins by miles.
Fifa 97 u can shoot goal from distance
The gaffer is there he's a little confused though his head is on the jella
I've been trying to get an answer on this. I remember PES 6 having a DVD and Book with skill moves. Was it true that PES had far more complicated skill moves? Has this carried on?
On another note... in 1998 the hotel I was at with my parents had Evolution Soccer - Konami arcade. at the bar. I played it every evening. It basically babysat me and I got good at it. I think you had to pay every game even if you won, to play the next round you'd have to pay another token - it was about 10p a token. I was the only child in the hotel. I'd love to get that cabinet.
FIFA license
PES gameplay
So will pes 2022 match up with fifa 22 no because its e football
Pes has only one drawback because of license. But Now Pes is getting better than Fifa
Pes is better but FIFA is played lot more only because they have most of the licenses
EA has the licenses, the budget and the tec, while Pes has the gameplay.
You wrote an article suggesting “Jude Bellingham told his entourage that he wants to join Real Madrid.”
You do not quote the source. If this is false, you’re guilty of lying & using the names of Bellingham, Real Madrid, Manchester City & Liverpool for clicks & views.
& FIFA has an insidious business mode.
Like Madden, the game is coded or, as Mark Goldbridge would say, “scripted” so that players blame themselves for losses, inducing the feeling or “need” to acquire highly rated players in order to compete. This is not a problem as teams & players should have different attributes.
However, when EA subsequently over-saturates the game with unrealistic versions of players for extortionate prices (for example, you released a 95 rated Dell Alli card when the man has not performed for a number of years).
It’s an insidious business model that children & teenagers are oblivious to. It’s no surprise to me. You have FIFA, an organisation drenched in corruption & you have EA, a publisher recognised as a disease within the gaming industry. When I play the game, it is only to make ugly players on pro clubs.
Since TPG acquired a majority stake in DAZN, GOAL has declined. Get better journalists & be brave enough to quote your sources of information …
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but i think pes mobile killed fifa totally
that's on mobile. Pes mobile is better but let's be honest dls is actually goated
@@tenidas7345 true
8:35 I can’t believe he said that
PES with Option File: a
FIFA: Am I a joke for you?
And now they've both been destroyed.
I play both ,😂
Both system,both games,mad , soccer ❤️
In my opinion as a Pes fan fifa 15 was my first fifa game and I enjoyed it it had everything good soundtrack the gameplay, the old players it was good. But after fifa 18 pes has been evolving. You can tel the difference from pes 18 all the way to modern pes game
pes gameplay better
Yeah but pes and fifa aren't true simulation games like football manager.Play football manager and don't give money to konami and ea cause they're gonna add pachinko machines or loot boxes.
Pes is way better I don't know what this guys are talking about.
PS2 era was all about PES and TIF for me. Diving for penalties just made it a different game completely.
Fifa didnt destroy pes. Konami destroyed pes, and most people just said screw it I'll just get fifa then. Ea were just lucky konami were their only competition on a self destruct mission for a decade. Now we have 2 poor money grab games instead of just the 1
People who played pro evolution soccer on the ps2 called it pro evo not pes
"I still think FIFA is superior in terms of gameplay"...
....
This right here is the problem.
yo harry starting the video..thats my G w2s
He has more subscribers than goal
Are you not watching both reviews since 15-16, which game scored more?
5 months later and the gap Sky rocketed.
I stopped at PES 2010 and begrudgingly switched to Fifa 10. Mostly since my friends played FIFA more. I enjoyed FIFA 11 to FIFA 16 quite a lot. I absolutely fell in love with FIFA 14. They started losing me in FIFA 17 and I swore off FIFA in FIFA 19. I bought 21 and 23 and regretted it a lot. Never again.
I will wait for something better. Hopefuly PES makes a great game. FIFA is just horrible now!
Pes 3 4 the best football games ever
I only play career mode on football games so for me PES was the better more realistic option whereas fifa just copies and pastes everything from the previous versions and adds one or 2 unremarkable extras. The funny thing is when they say that FIFA has the better gameplay I do not agree with that in the slightest. PES was always superior when it came to gameplay.
They didn’t even release pes 2022 😂😂😂. PES IS DEAD
It was all about gameplay. Licenses had nothing to do with it. PES never had so many licenses. Even the first ones, they didnt have the players' names even right. The downfall of PES happened when they got from PES6 to PES2008 changing their engine, which ruined the gameplay. The ISS Pro series were amazing and PES6 was the best football game ever existed. And one day they decided to ruin it. So the gamers had to choose between a crappy gameplay with no marketing and a crappy gameplay with marketing. So they chose FIFA. PES made a good effort with PES2021 but the damage done was already huge.
Having thoroughly enjoyed PES on PS2 until the wheels fell off on the modern generation consoles I can only say all EA Sports games SCRIPTING in career modes is the most rage inducing violent feelings I get when I play these complete farce, bullshit, rubbish, nonsense. The developers should be taken to court AGAIN and AGAIN until their high price lawyers can no longer argue the BLANTANTLY OBVIOUS pre decided outcomes of these complete nonsense rip off games.
PES uyir ❤️
You're never too big to fail just remember history has proven that!!!!!
It IS about gameplay. If you take your eye off gameplay, you're going to lose.
Pes conquered mobile games
You guys made the exact same video 2 years ago.. th-cam.com/video/9JTBN3nO718/w-d-xo.html
PES sells a lot less and I wouldn't have it any other way. Imagine how toxic PES would become if all those kids started buying it and kicking up a fuss because they couldn't link up 3 make believe tricks in a row and then finish it off with a scissor kick in to the top corner? End of the day PES/Winning Eleven regardless of it's current state, will always be legendary for what it provided to its fans. FIFA will always be known as the arcade card game that milks its customers cash.
I dont know if you agree or not. For me, PES has more like "arcadish" kind of gameplay, so it's easy to pass the ball and etc. But FIFA are more advanced and dynamic.
Do you know what arcadish gameplay actually looks like?
FIFA evolved their gameplay and graphics way faster than PES and PES only tried improving really late.
Lol. Gameplay is something a FIFA fan should probably keep quiet about lol
@@cb25how pes gameplay is so fucking slow😂
PES Gameplay is more realistic than FIFA's, but i think over the years more and more users prefer the more 'arcade' gameplay of FIFA. I prefer PES gameplay myself.
For single playing i prefer simulation, but for multiplayer of offline playing i prefer arcade, hope efootball become arcade football game
PES clearly wins in terms of players and gameplay, the problem is their game is the 3rd most downloaded torrent of all times, their players do not want to pay for the online game as they have friends. Nobody buys PES in Afrika, Russia, half of Asia and big part of South Amerika yet they all play it on PC. Who cares it it's 2018 or 2022.
I'm in Africa and I always buy pes on steam ( this year I bought fifa though 🤣)
@@obinnaonuekwusi7793 There is no PES any more. Africa is a lot of ground, South?
@@FirefighterBobby West Africa actually.
@@obinnaonuekwusi7793 There's a state called West Africa? I have to google that.
@@FirefighterBobby South Africa isn't a state. By the way, North, East, South or west. Its still Africa..( not Afrika). ✌
*How EA's fifa kills konami *
I play game with good gameplay and realistic.
PES gat my back..
@@chriswolf1089 why are you commenting every where
PES mobile killed fifa
PEs 2013 one of the greatest ever footbal games, after that konomi lost it
If PES giving up fighting FIFA. Then that means we going to have shitty games cuz why would you upgrade your games when you have the only football games people can think of. They developed when theres a rival, and be clumsy when you are alone
He is really a fan boy
PES killed themselves, PES players have NOTHING to do with FIFA and are not affected by FIFA sales
Did they just say ultimate team was the best thing to happen to Fifa
Pes 2007 was never released
Pes is much better game than fifa
Why is FIFA 20 running smoothly on my laptop but PES 2020 lags?
PES is Miles better than FIFA, Maybe not in the off pitch aspect and the Lightning but their faces look a lot better, and no PES and Efootball aren’t the same until Konami fixes Efootball.
I think Fifa 11 ultimate team has shift the PES fans to Fifa fans
Goal Storm was not Konami's first football game. ISS and ISS Deluxe on the SNES? 1994/1995? Once again, a 'big media' group don't bother with any deep research
PES 13 is the best football game ever created is his own time, but in 2014 everything went proportionally bad. They put PES 14 in the trash bag and never got back from it...
For me PES still have the best ball physic.
I think people want to challenge fifa, but so since pes is dieing so people are angry the are trying to make them compete it won't work.
"Fifa better gameplay as it stands"....you're mad, Pes 21 pisses over any fifa. However, having said that, it all depends on what you want from a football game....Arcade or simulation???
And FUD destroyed FIFA as a game. The same at Madden, how is it possible that NFL 2k5 ist still the best American Football Game to this day?!
PES 3 and 4 was the best
I west my 900 rps for rashford iconic pack I play also matchday ...spend more than 2600 coins ...but shit Konami is giving silver iconic ....I have played lots of games even game like Pubg also giving their player what they want after they pay for uc...but pes is only shit game I have ever played .. I recommend dont wast their valuable money on this game ....this is the worst game in all Era's...
If you still think FIFA is better, then read these:
Eriksen's massive downgrade in FIFA 22
Ronaldo's physicality is just like a 5th grader
Lukaku's rating are 85 every year
And the brand new glitches in Pes with poopy graphics rn
After 15 years I'm back to PES.
Fifa 10 blew me away
World Soccer winning eleven eight international. 😂😂
Pes 22 will bring fifa players to pes
Lol I hope you saw the trailer
Anyone who thinks fifa is all this n that are wrong! Game is in decline as we speak, last few fifas have been terrible, same game every year, just a bunch of credit card teams in fut champs, its unbelievable
FIFA is everything
PES is DEAD
🤣🤣🤣
Ngl,start play FIFA (hating pes for no reason)ended with PES.never go back.👍
@@chriswolf1089 bro nobody gives a shxt abt that shxtty game stop commenting everywhere
both games are ass imo we need another company to come forward with another game
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