there was a lot of competition from other shows airing at the time. Between Succession, Squid Game, and Ozark it was stacked with great performances across the board, Paddy (and the others) just kinda got swept under the rug
@@lukebarroso449 there were plenty of performances but the categories were stacked front to back with great television performances that year that HotD just got lost in the shuffle. They know good performances.
When your performance is so good that George R.R. Martin himself praises it by saying your depiction is better than the version he wrote in the books. Paddy was absolutely robbed by the Emmys, but getting that kind of praise from George is a prize in of itself.
Well Viserys in the book isn't really a character but historical note of the person, I can imagine it's not really that hard make better version of a character in such circumstances. But I agree Paddy and HotD made splendid and understandable portation of Viserys the First.
Fun fact: George himself said he prefers patty constantine's portraile to book viserys and that if he ever rewrote fire&blood viserys the 1st would be similar to Patty's portrail So essentially show verison>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>book version
Playing as Aegon III in Crusader Kings 2 and about a decade ago in-game he had an event to take his half sister Rhaena as a second wife even though he was married to his cousin Jaehaera (daughter of Aegon II and Helaena). Aegon really is the son of Rhaenyra and Daemon 😂
How they handled Viserys in the show was actually really smart. It's one of the changes I think were clever and made the experience much more enjoyable. He went from a budget Robert Baratheon to a truly complex character who just tries to keep his family together
@@DanLanningPRTeam That's the tragic part of him, even though he *tried* to do the right thing he didn't know how to, failing miserably at any chance he had
In F&B you get the perception that Viserys is just a people pleasing oaf who doesnt notice any of the friction going on and doesnt take anything that seriously. And so I like how show Viserys is more nuanced. At his core he does want everyone to get along and is wise but his problem being nobody takes him seriously because he is too forgiving and is not assertive. He can command that people act a certain way but they ultimately keep doing what they're doing
There's the added layer of nuance that he's never functioning at 100% after Aemma's death, because he's either deeply depressed from grief, or he's in more or less constant pain from his mystery degenerative illness for the rest of his life. Chronic pain doesn't tend to leave a person with enough energy or mental clarity to rule well.
@@DanLanningPRTeam Admittedly, Aerys didn't. Aegon IV totally knew he was a living shitpost and revelled in it, but Aerys thought he was the hottest shit on the planet and that it was clearly the rest of the world's fault for not seeing his glory.
I would only disagree with your statement that Viserys' and Alicent's marriage has no love. We can see this demonstrated through their actions. Alicent personally provides tender care for Viserys' conditions for many many years. Viserys listens to Alicent, trusts her counsel, and affords her a lot of power. He also clearly enjoys her company, and she is supportive of his Warhammer obsession. She even fixes one of his dragons.
I think it was a complicated thing. Alicent cared about him clearly. But knew he was making every wrong decision possible and refusing to acknowledge the inevitable. Even with all the mistakes made by both sides, I don't think she could bear to hate him as he deteriorated into a corpse of a man, barely hanging on as he tried to bring everyone together.
Originally I've always thought of the dream Viserys had a out his son wearing crown of Aegon while the dragons roared, was forecasting the drance itself. But now maybe, it's just the crowning ceremony moment when Rhaenys busts through the floor with her dragon and it roars....
Show Viserys is definitely the star of the first season. When he banished Daemon for the first time (for context he weilded blackfyre the family sword from Aegon the conqueror time) he changed his hand grip from holding it in a kinda like a walking stick to a grip of dueling in the first episode. He was prepared at that moment to fight daemon with his kingsguard. Obviously pushed to the limit Viserys can make his point clear
An outstanding performance at the cost of the Silver gold mustache. Give and take. Also i really hope we get Fire and Blood part 2 since alot of my favorite targaryens are from the Dragonbane, his sons, Viserys ii and onward.
6:38 I have no idea how Cristone Cole managed to get away with that? Like bro LITERALLY killed someone in cold blood, in front of everyone. Not even just a rando either, but a friend/lover of the future king consort.
The most interesting weakness in the Black claim to the throne is neither Rhaenyra or Viserys - book or show, take your pick - ever put much effort to bringing the nobility around to Rhaenyra's claim. Both seemed to take the grand ceremony as settled, when in reality even petty nobles have deeply entrenched ideas of what a ruler needs to be, and even with dragons behind you need to be won. The blacks never bothered with this, to their cost. Nothing more demonstrates this than sending a scroll to Lord Baratheon, and he can't read. An heir who is sensitive to the individual power of lords would not have overlooked such a crucial fact, and maybe gone hunting with him and stabbed a boar in front of him or something. Or maybe Viserys just didn't want to handle all the aggro by making sure their allegiance to Rhaenyra was personal rather than feudal.
Oh yeah baby! Back to Dragon talk every weekend..... Love it. Families are hard homie. I have a couple and man, is it trying AF. I can only imagine how much more difficult it would be when you throw in power and dragons.
Lots of folks on this thread saying Paddy Considine got robbed at the Emmys. I didn't see the other nominees, so I cannot judge on that, but I have seen a lot of Paddy's other performances, and he has always been very good. _Hot Fuzz, Cinderella Man,_ and _World's End_ to name a few, but I do not recognize him when he is Viserys, and it is not just the wig. He has always been a good actor, but in this he was stellar
I love Viserys is the perfect embodiment of how “It is hard for a good man to be a good king.” Viserys didn’t have grand ambitious visions or dreams of power, he just wanted to have a happy and united family, a peaceful life, and for everyone to get along. So he refused to accept his family tearing itself apart. Had he been a small lord from a small house, he probably would’ve been remembered as a fair, honest, and good lord. Instead, history will remember him as a naive fool who let his kingdom tear itself apart.
I don't understand why Viserys didn't give up the throne when his health left him and his hand needed to rule... Been so much easier if he resigned before his death.
It's likely because he and Rhaenyra were heavily estranged as his health failed. If she stayed and was active in her politicking, Viserys might well have abdicated and given her the throne.
I feel like GRRM wanted Viserys to be presented as a good man but a bad king, which is way more accurate in the books when he isn’t sacrificing his wife.
@@alfieingrouille1528 Everything taken while the show is running has to be with a grain of salt, especially when he's involved in the production of said show.
I never understand why people call it sacrificing... Viserys had two choices during that cesarian scene in the series: either his wife and kid both die, or his wife dies and his child has a chance to live. By that point, Aemma was already dead either way. TBF, it was still quite fucked up to not present the option to her, but let her be essentially tortured without letting her know what was going on. Now, getting her pregnant at *twelve* , when people even in that world know perfectly well that getting a girl pregnant too early is dangerous and leads to future fertility issues, and forcing her through like a dozen pregnancies during about as many years... *that* is fucked up, and was very much done by the guy in the books.
@@eldara3I've always felt the same way. Even the name of the track playing was An Impossible Choice. His duty as king was to the realm above all others, and there was the smallest chance that Aemma would finally have an heir. Like you said she was going to die no matter what and he definitely should have tried to talk with her, but it was basically the only option he could take. People bring up Daemon not choosing it for Laena, but he was heir to nothing and didn't have the stability of the realm to worry about
@@eldara3 "Now, getting her pregnant at twelve , when people even in that world know perfectly well that getting a girl pregnant too early is dangerous and leads to future fertility issues, and forcing her through like a dozen pregnancies during about as many years... that is fucked up, and was very much done by the guy in the books." GRRM has... issues relating to this, considering just how many Targaryens that this is also true for (You also have Jaehaerys forcing more kids on Alysanne when she clearly protests, which kills her, which is basically the same problem in the opposite direction). I think he has some fairly bad misunderstandings of how the world worked in history, because people *were* aware of this. Young marriages were never intended to be consummated until the bride was old enough. You can even see looking at the age of various royal mothers in those eras of history; the average age of their firstborn isn't 14, or even 16. It's *20*.
I love how grrm falls in and out of love with certain words. In "Feast," it was *nuncle.* Then after a few fliratious uses in the main series, he seems to be proclaiming to readers everywhere that *calumnies,* is his most recent favourite.😊
You have my attention with the perfect way to get hype for HOTD S2, the sexy noseless ghoul from Fallout. Almost as sexy as Haven’s voice narrating the big eyed Vizzy T flitting about the screen. Now I’m ready for all the HOTD fun to come! Lets goo
Paddy was fully availed of the unique opportunity this show represented. Being able to interpret in such a broad sense was hopefully deeply fufilling for him. Many of the actors are nailing this but Viserys seems to be a fan standout performance. Readers are given some decent characterization but I'm glad I saw the series first and then read the book. I think having that mental picture to refer to was key. I tend to not watch a lot of interviews so I wonder has he read the book or enjoyed the previous series?
How the most compelling and emotional scene between both Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon is unironically "old man sits on chair" is nothing short of amazing
Jager bombs?! I'm not good with accent so I'm guessing you are British or German😂😂😂 love the channel by the way! I'm either listening at work or at the gym!
I think the dramatic narrative of the adapted Fire and Blood which we see in HOTD is more effective. The writers of that show have made tremendously smart decisions to deepen the characters and sharpen the conflicts between them. Their entire repositioning of Viserys as an ultimately tragic character decaying before our eyes actually gave him an arc that will always affect the show hereafter. I still rewatch that scene from season 1 where he refuses the 7 Kingdom’s equivalent of Oxycodone and limps fullbore into the throneroom clean after such a long absence to painfully assert his authority. Such great writing and dramaturgy. Paddy should’ve gotten an Emmy. Hell, an Oscar.
The only way the dance could've been avoided is if Old Jaherys Married viserys with the Queen who never was raenys. It all unfold before his eyes but the old king couldn't see it, bit like they portraid viserys in the show in fact.
I always assumed the reason Rheanys wasn’t at the last supper was because she was standing as somewhat of a vigil for Ser Veamond? The scene where she witnesses his embalming occurs directly before and could be perceived as happening at the same time as the supper.
Jokes aside, seeing a character from a book that is FAR better in a show adaptation is something that you don't see every day, and yes viserys in both book and show are FAR from being the best king (especially book viserys) but you gotta admit that they are also far from being the worst king, yust look at joffrey, Robert, aegon IV and tommen, he may be indecisive in some cases but he doesn't neglect his kingdom and duties
You know the book version of events - particularly how there's a divide between Rhaenyra or Aegon succeeding and Alicent suggesting their marriage as a solution - gives Alicent more credibility. It's far more understandable how she'd be pissed. Her acceptable suggestion is just overlooked. And don't say that F&B is green propaganda and that's why she's more justified, because that's just not true. The primary sources are varied and the author himself lived well after the dance.
Was I the only one who thought Viserys was saying that Aegon, the younger, son of Rhaenyra & Daemon, was the Prince-who-was-Promised, (ie, 'skip over your bastards, daughter, and name your eldest trueborn son as heir') as he was dying?
I absolutely LOVED Viserys!!! Your genealogy knowledge is impressive. I suppose making a Frey family tree would require skill. And, isn't it badass that Viserys rode Balerion? I believe it was appendicitis that iilled Baelon the Brave.
Probably one of the ONLY characters that is more complex and deep compared to his book counterpart, atleast I think so anyway. Thanks a lot for the great video Haven!
I like the Show version, but that's because I enjoy the actor's work. Both versions are terrible Kings, but show version is a slightly better father. Both did things that only increased the tension in the court. Both were weak men. I guess the only significant difference is the depth the actor gave show version a bit More depth. Hopefully that makes sense.
Just wanted to point out that the council of 101 isn't about agnatic (only men and descendants of men) vs. absolute (any descendants by seniority regardless of gender) primogeniture but more like agnatic primogeniture vs. cognatic primogeniture (used in most of westeros, i.e. sons before daughters but daughters before uncles)
A noticeable thing you missed is in the books it is a lot more unclear whether Rhyaenera children are bastards as Rhaeyns, their grandmother, does have brown hair.
I have a lot of issues with hot d, but Visey T is not one of them. He's the only one who can really remind me about the glory days of watching the original four seasons
The fact that Paddy Constantine didnt win an emmy is a crime. He brought such a depth and gravitas to the character that he literally had GRRM himself proudly admit his version was inferior.
Though it's probably morally wrong; for the good of the realm, Viserys should have officially switched his successor to Aegon upon his birth. As there was always going to be issues.
Do you prefer HOTD Viserys or Book Viserys more?
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I’m a Viserys hater but Paddy Considine completely elevated him over the book version
Book Viserys. At least there, it seems that he genuinely has love all of the important people in his life, instead of being purposefully malicious.
The duality of man.... 😂
Book
Show version
The Emmys robbed Paddy Considine
So True
He was good, but the Succession cast were far far more deserving IMO
Wouldn't know a good performance to save their lives.
there was a lot of competition from other shows airing at the time. Between Succession, Squid Game, and Ozark it was stacked with great performances across the board, Paddy (and the others) just kinda got swept under the rug
@@lukebarroso449 there were plenty of performances but the categories were stacked front to back with great television performances that year that HotD just got lost in the shuffle. They know good performances.
When your performance is so good that George R.R. Martin himself praises it by saying your depiction is better than the version he wrote in the books. Paddy was absolutely robbed by the Emmys, but getting that kind of praise from George is a prize in of itself.
Well Viserys in the book isn't really a character but historical note of the person, I can imagine it's not really that hard make better version of a character in such circumstances. But I agree Paddy and HotD made splendid and understandable portation of Viserys the First.
Yeah. Him and Jaime/Tywin/Joffrey all demolished the roles
gotta give some praise to the writers too. he's very well written.
@@martind5653GRRM was smart for doing it this way. The show he can fix this time.
Fun fact: George himself said he prefers patty constantine's portraile to book viserys and that if he ever rewrote fire&blood viserys the 1st would be similar to Patty's portrail
So essentially show verison>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>book version
HOTD is a bastardized version of the Dance of the Dragons
@@DanLanningPRTeamI didn't say the the actual STORY was better but the CHARACTER OF VISERYS
@@DanLanningPRTeamreread my comment
@@DanLanningPRTeamplease go ahead and tell me and where exactly I said the STORY was better go on I'm waiting 🤦😮💨
Yeah this is mentioned in the video
"Distant marriage for a Targaryen"
Ah yes first cousins, it’s barely even incest! At least by Targeryan standards!
Playing as Aegon III in Crusader
Kings 2 and about a decade ago in-game he had an event to take his half sister Rhaena as a second wife even though he was married to his cousin Jaehaera (daughter of Aegon II and Helaena). Aegon really is the son of Rhaenyra and Daemon 😂
@@laurelsilberman5705 it's not even incest by westerosi standards, Tywin married his first cousin
@@GBfanatic15 yeahhhh it’s so gross but it’s basically the norm
@@laurelsilberman5705don’t forget Neds mother also is his dads cousin
How they handled Viserys in the show was actually really smart. It's one of the changes I think were clever and made the experience much more enjoyable. He went from a budget Robert Baratheon to a truly complex character who just tries to keep his family together
He does nothing to keep his family together, instead making the wrong decision at every turn to drive them apart.
He literally ripped his family apart.
@@DanLanningPRTeam That's the tragic part of him, even though he *tried* to do the right thing he didn't know how to, failing miserably at any chance he had
I feel like they kind of made him basically mentally retarted
@@masterplokoon8803 in his effort of keeping his family together he created further rifts. That’s the tragedy.
HotD really puts in perspective that Roberts kingdom is in severe decline.
Elaborate if you have the time lmao
Paddy's portrayal of Viserys was so good, GRRM wanted to revise the book version of Viserys.
He should just make a real book
He should finish Winds of Winter because some of us have been waiting 13 years for it
@@e.c.winner7252it’s his book he can do what he wants
The real Viserys is obviously Viserys II, the greatest king Westeros has ever seen.
Good joke 😂
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@@fantasyhaven1agreed 👍
Nah, I'd say viserys the 3th
Viserys ll was the most underrated king and Jaehaerys was probably the most overrated.
"refusing to be reminded of GOT season 8, alicent instead misinterprets him as naming Aegon as the heir" 😂
And who can blame her. 😂
In F&B you get the perception that Viserys is just a people pleasing oaf who doesnt notice any of the friction going on and doesnt take anything that seriously. And so I like how show Viserys is more nuanced. At his core he does want everyone to get along and is wise but his problem being nobody takes him seriously because he is too forgiving and is not assertive. He can command that people act a certain way but they ultimately keep doing what they're doing
He is the worst King in Targaryen history since he actually thinks he’s making good decisions
@@DanLanningPRTeamAegon the unworthy and Mad Aerys are worst than him lol
@@mrlaw2729 nah, both of them knew they were shittin the bed
There's the added layer of nuance that he's never functioning at 100% after Aemma's death, because he's either deeply depressed from grief, or he's in more or less constant pain from his mystery degenerative illness for the rest of his life. Chronic pain doesn't tend to leave a person with enough energy or mental clarity to rule well.
@@DanLanningPRTeam Admittedly, Aerys didn't. Aegon IV totally knew he was a living shitpost and revelled in it, but Aerys thought he was the hottest shit on the planet and that it was clearly the rest of the world's fault for not seeing his glory.
Paddy wasn't the Viserys we deserved, but he was the Viserys we desperately needed. He'll forever sit on that little iron throne in our hearts 👑
I propose Lord Haven launches a hard iced tea line, called Vissy Tea.
You're welcome, m'lord.
Damn, that sounds good enough for a King!
If there's a carbonated version it can be Fizzy Vizzy Tea. I'd totally drink it.
I would only disagree with your statement that Viserys' and Alicent's marriage has no love. We can see this demonstrated through their actions. Alicent personally provides tender care for Viserys' conditions for many many years. Viserys listens to Alicent, trusts her counsel, and affords her a lot of power. He also clearly enjoys her company, and she is supportive of his Warhammer obsession. She even fixes one of his dragons.
They 100% love each other but they're not *in love* at all.
I think it was a complicated thing. Alicent cared about him clearly. But knew he was making every wrong decision possible and refusing to acknowledge the inevitable.
Even with all the mistakes made by both sides, I don't think she could bear to hate him as he deteriorated into a corpse of a man, barely hanging on as he tried to bring everyone together.
Cuck^
Their love has at least… 5 asterisks next to it.
Viserys was one of the best changes in HotD alongside the new Alicent and Rhaenyra dynamic
Originally I've always thought of the dream Viserys had a out his son wearing crown of Aegon while the dragons roared, was forecasting the drance itself. But now maybe, it's just the crowning ceremony moment when Rhaenys busts through the floor with her dragon and it roars....
Show Viserys is definitely the star of the first season. When he banished Daemon for the first time (for context he weilded blackfyre the family sword from Aegon the conqueror time) he changed his hand grip from holding it in a kinda like a walking stick to a grip of dueling in the first episode. He was prepared at that moment to fight daemon with his kingsguard. Obviously pushed to the limit Viserys can make his point clear
The love the family breakdown 😂 at the last dinner
I'm still perplexed that this channel doesn't have significantly more subscribers. Your production quality is amazing.
We'll get there soon, I'm working hard on it 🫡
Please keep doing these I can’t tell you how much I enjoy them.
An outstanding performance at the cost of the Silver gold mustache. Give and take. Also i really hope we get Fire and Blood part 2 since alot of my favorite targaryens are from the Dragonbane, his sons, Viserys ii and onward.
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Vissy T and Bobby B are the two best kings we’ve seen in the iron throne on the tv show. Which…says something
6:15 slightly wrong, the children would be born as Velaryon but when they took the crown they would take the Targaryen last name while they ruled.
6:38 I have no idea how Cristone Cole managed to get away with that? Like bro LITERALLY killed someone in cold blood, in front of everyone. Not even just a rando either, but a friend/lover of the future king consort.
9:34 (inserts the iShowSpeed meme of him smiling and nodding his head) I love whenever you name off the Targaryen family wreath
Man, I hope you get to do an Aegon IV comparison if the Blackfyre Rebellions get greenlit for live action.
Thank you so much man can’t wait for your other videos including your dune video
It's good to see you your grace.
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The most interesting weakness in the Black claim to the throne is neither Rhaenyra or Viserys - book or show, take your pick - ever put much effort to bringing the nobility around to Rhaenyra's claim. Both seemed to take the grand ceremony as settled, when in reality even petty nobles have deeply entrenched ideas of what a ruler needs to be, and even with dragons behind you need to be won. The blacks never bothered with this, to their cost. Nothing more demonstrates this than sending a scroll to Lord Baratheon, and he can't read. An heir who is sensitive to the individual power of lords would not have overlooked such a crucial fact, and maybe gone hunting with him and stabbed a boar in front of him or something. Or maybe Viserys just didn't want to handle all the aggro by making sure their allegiance to Rhaenyra was personal rather than feudal.
Oh yeah baby! Back to Dragon talk every weekend..... Love it.
Families are hard homie. I have a couple and man, is it trying AF. I can only imagine how much more difficult it would be when you throw in power and dragons.
Lots of folks on this thread saying Paddy Considine got robbed at the Emmys. I didn't see the other nominees, so I cannot judge on that, but I have seen a lot of Paddy's other performances, and he has always been very good. _Hot Fuzz, Cinderella Man,_ and _World's End_ to name a few, but I do not recognize him when he is Viserys, and it is not just the wig. He has always been a good actor, but in this he was stellar
I love Viserys is the perfect embodiment of how “It is hard for a good man to be a good king.”
Viserys didn’t have grand ambitious visions or dreams of power, he just wanted to have a happy and united family, a peaceful life, and for everyone to get along. So he refused to accept his family tearing itself apart.
Had he been a small lord from a small house, he probably would’ve been remembered as a fair, honest, and good lord. Instead, history will remember him as a naive fool who let his kingdom tear itself apart.
9:11 Yes, you have, and it's gold. I say keep doing it when appropriate.
"Maybe Daeron?" Been wondering that for quite a while lol glad they finally were like " oh yeah he is chilling in old town"
I like to look at the book as the way the histories remember him and and the show as the true character.
Viserys is the human equivalent of the dog "this is fine" fire meme
Now I need to know what warhammer army Viserys would run.
Book or show version?
@@thing_under_the_stairs yes.
I Guess Book would take Marines
And Show would take guard,
Vizzy T did nothing but stress throughout the whole show
What a amazing video about King Vizzy T The Magnificent!!!!!!!
Thank you for the wonderfu birthday l present Lord Haven.
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@@zaepham357thank you 3 😄
Love the CK2 AGOT music
Paddy played Viserys brilliantly. He was the best thing about Season 1 for me.
I don't understand why Viserys didn't give up the throne when his health left him and his hand needed to rule... Been so much easier if he resigned before his death.
Or perhaps a coregency, like it was practiced in ancient Egypt during the Middle Kingdom.
It's likely because he and Rhaenyra were heavily estranged as his health failed. If she stayed and was active in her politicking, Viserys might well have abdicated and given her the throne.
I feel like GRRM wanted Viserys to be presented as a good man but a bad king, which is way more accurate in the books when he isn’t sacrificing his wife.
George quite litterally says he prefers the shows version of viserys you know the author of the series and creator of the character
@@alfieingrouille1528 Everything taken while the show is running has to be with a grain of salt, especially when he's involved in the production of said show.
I never understand why people call it sacrificing... Viserys had two choices during that cesarian scene in the series: either his wife and kid both die, or his wife dies and his child has a chance to live. By that point, Aemma was already dead either way. TBF, it was still quite fucked up to not present the option to her, but let her be essentially tortured without letting her know what was going on.
Now, getting her pregnant at *twelve* , when people even in that world know perfectly well that getting a girl pregnant too early is dangerous and leads to future fertility issues, and forcing her through like a dozen pregnancies during about as many years... *that* is fucked up, and was very much done by the guy in the books.
@@eldara3I've always felt the same way. Even the name of the track playing was An Impossible Choice. His duty as king was to the realm above all others, and there was the smallest chance that Aemma would finally have an heir. Like you said she was going to die no matter what and he definitely should have tried to talk with her, but it was basically the only option he could take. People bring up Daemon not choosing it for Laena, but he was heir to nothing and didn't have the stability of the realm to worry about
@@eldara3 "Now, getting her pregnant at twelve , when people even in that world know perfectly well that getting a girl pregnant too early is dangerous and leads to future fertility issues, and forcing her through like a dozen pregnancies during about as many years... that is fucked up, and was very much done by the guy in the books."
GRRM has... issues relating to this, considering just how many Targaryens that this is also true for (You also have Jaehaerys forcing more kids on Alysanne when she clearly protests, which kills her, which is basically the same problem in the opposite direction). I think he has some fairly bad misunderstandings of how the world worked in history, because people *were* aware of this. Young marriages were never intended to be consummated until the bride was old enough.
You can even see looking at the age of various royal mothers in those eras of history; the average age of their firstborn isn't 14, or even 16. It's *20*.
damn, I can't believe you used the CK2 AGOT OST, I love it.
They did Viserys so much better in HOTD, thank you for this video Lord Haven, though for me, Show Viserys is the real one.
Amazing video, the day you make one about Stannis I promise to throw a party
I love how grrm falls in and out of love with certain words. In "Feast," it was *nuncle.* Then after a few fliratious uses in the main series, he seems to be proclaiming to readers everywhere that *calumnies,* is his most recent favourite.😊
Vizzy T's tiara looks like Christmas lights and I like it.
You have my attention with the perfect way to get hype for HOTD S2, the sexy noseless ghoul from Fallout. Almost as sexy as Haven’s voice narrating the big eyed Vizzy T flitting about the screen. Now I’m ready for all the HOTD fun to come! Lets goo
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HOTD Viserys: Leprosy
Book Viserys: Fat
Cool but who's the real Slim Shady?
Paddy was fully availed of the unique opportunity this show represented. Being able to interpret in such a broad sense was hopefully deeply fufilling for him. Many of the actors are nailing this but Viserys seems to be a fan standout performance. Readers are given some decent characterization but I'm glad I saw the series first and then read the book. I think having that mental picture to refer to was key.
I tend to not watch a lot of interviews so I wonder has he read the book or enjoyed the previous series?
Hey Haven! How about a tierlist on Kingsguard knights?
Cool idea!
A video about viserys let's Go
"Refusing to be reminded of GoT S8", I have never sympathized so much with Alicent!
what 40k army do yall think viserys plays?
Salamanders
Tau
Word bearer's
Cowards and weak but can bring whole worlds to their knees by all the shit they do
It's definitely not Krieg lol
I can’t wait to see what happens to Viserys’ Lego set in season 2 lmao
How the most compelling and emotional scene between both Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon is unironically "old man sits on chair" is nothing short of amazing
“Agnatic Prinogeniture” is officially Fantasy Haven’s “HeteroPaternal Superfecundation”
The small jokes went so god damn hard in this, holy shit! :D
Jager bombs?! I'm not good with accent so I'm guessing you are British or German😂😂😂 love the channel by the way! I'm either listening at work or at the gym!
I'm British! Glad you enjoyed the vids
I think the dramatic narrative of the adapted Fire and Blood which we see in HOTD is more effective. The writers of that show have made tremendously smart decisions to deepen the characters and sharpen the conflicts between them. Their entire repositioning of Viserys as an ultimately tragic character decaying before our eyes actually gave him an arc that will always affect the show hereafter. I still rewatch that scene from season 1 where he refuses the 7 Kingdom’s equivalent of Oxycodone and limps fullbore into the throneroom clean after such a long absence to painfully assert his authority.
Such great writing and dramaturgy. Paddy should’ve gotten an Emmy. Hell, an Oscar.
The only way the dance could've been avoided is if Old Jaherys Married viserys with the Queen who never was raenys.
It all unfold before his eyes but the old king couldn't see it, bit like they portraid viserys in the show in fact.
They were all married off by the time the heirs ahead of them died. The Dance was inevitable.
A dragon can not be reserved. It’s first come first serve. Deamon needs to give his children dragon lessons.
I always assumed the reason Rheanys wasn’t at the last supper was because she was standing as somewhat of a vigil for Ser Veamond?
The scene where she witnesses his embalming occurs directly before and could be perceived as happening at the same time as the supper.
Paddy is the real Viserys. Even GRRM said his version was better.
Exactly
No, obviously book Viserys is the true canon Viserys.
@@DanLanningPRTeamOK buddy your arguing with the litteral author of the character who know better than you ok I guess😂😂😂😂
@@DanLanningPRTeamGeorge himself disagrees
I like the ambiguity of Jace, Luc, & Joff's parentage as their dark hair is attributed to their grandmother, Rhaenys & her Baratheon features.
Paddy Considine elevated HoD and made me love ASoIaF again.
Jokes aside, seeing a character from a book that is FAR better in a show adaptation is something that you don't see every day, and yes viserys in both book and show are FAR from being the best king (especially book viserys) but you gotta admit that they are also far from being the worst king, yust look at joffrey, Robert, aegon IV and tommen, he may be indecisive in some cases but he doesn't neglect his kingdom and duties
A reserved Dragon is so dumb big up Aemond for claiming Vhagar
Vizzy T just killed me to begin with
You know the book version of events - particularly how there's a divide between Rhaenyra or Aegon succeeding and Alicent suggesting their marriage as a solution - gives Alicent more credibility. It's far more understandable how she'd be pissed. Her acceptable suggestion is just overlooked.
And don't say that F&B is green propaganda and that's why she's more justified, because that's just not true. The primary sources are varied and the author himself lived well after the dance.
I haven't been this early since TH-cam sent me notifications
The creators claimed Daeron would be present in S2 so
Was I the only one who thought Viserys was saying that Aegon, the younger, son of Rhaenyra & Daemon, was the Prince-who-was-Promised, (ie, 'skip over your bastards, daughter, and name your eldest trueborn son as heir') as he was dying?
Refusing to be reminded of GOT season 8, that line had me laughing out loud 😂
Yeaaahhh Haven is Back !
the trag family 'tree, is less of a tree but a ball of bundled up yawn and barb wire
I absolutely LOVED Viserys!!! Your genealogy knowledge is impressive. I suppose making a Frey family tree would require skill. And, isn't it badass that Viserys rode Balerion? I believe it was appendicitis that iilled Baelon the Brave.
Probably one of the ONLY characters that is more complex and deep compared to his book counterpart, atleast I think so anyway. Thanks a lot for the great video Haven!
I appreciate the ASOIAF accurate Targaryen tapestry 😅
I like the Show version, but that's because I enjoy the actor's work. Both versions are terrible Kings, but show version is a slightly better father. Both did things that only increased the tension in the court. Both were weak men. I guess the only significant difference is the depth the actor gave show version a bit More depth.
Hopefully that makes sense.
wow I didn't even pick up that he'd lost his arm XD oh my god
Lyonel Strong is the Best hand I will mention this in every youtube video he appears 😊
"Aemond claims the dragon reserved for Rhaena" ???? Bro what
I never new he was missing an arm wtf how did I miss that
Just wanted to point out that the council of 101 isn't about agnatic (only men and descendants of men) vs. absolute (any descendants by seniority regardless of gender) primogeniture but more like agnatic primogeniture vs. cognatic primogeniture (used in most of westeros, i.e. sons before daughters but daughters before uncles)
I learn naughty words when watching your videos. Are there enough nicknames in ASOIAF to rank them in a livestream? :D Crowfood makes me smirk
A noticeable thing you missed is in the books it is a lot more unclear whether Rhyaenera children are bastards as Rhaeyns, their grandmother, does have brown hair.
Paddy Considine did an Extordinary job.
🎵 BBL Vizzy, BBL Vizzzzaaaayyy 🎵
Awesome
Man that’s some booba on Rhaenyra lol
Otherwise good video. Definitely subbed
very good!
😆😆😆"If my characters had hands... "
I wish star wars took their shit as seriously as HBO takes GOT
I have a lot of issues with hot d, but Visey T is not one of them.
He's the only one who can really remind me about the glory days of watching the original four seasons
The fact that Paddy Constantine didnt win an emmy is a crime. He brought such a depth and gravitas to the character that he literally had GRRM himself proudly admit his version was inferior.
Though it's probably morally wrong; for the good of the realm, Viserys should have officially switched his successor to Aegon upon his birth. As there was always going to be issues.