@@AetherHub hey so apparently in the first part of this video you said angel in the past could travel and or at least communicate with other angels in other planes magic better explain this.😅
Wizards: we're going against multiverse threats that were built within a decade of stories. Also Wizards: move on, we have universes beyond: LOTR to sell.
@@totz_the_plaid9625 but the story is over, right? I mean, an apex predator killed by a random soldier is a little off for my taste... Aftermath is gonna be something like: how do we rebuild. Like the last story we had to finish MotM. I dont know, things was kinda rushed. Even though the side stories did they part on whats happening on other planes, some of the main content was so simplified that i wished for aftermath to be his own set and the stories te flow continuous for this 3, 4 months. It would be amazing. To built the characters, the losses, the boss fights... the hard earned victory. But this is just me wishing for the miracle of Hasbro doing things right. Sorry for the long reply!
@Joao Arruda OH THANK GAWD. I thought i was the only one to notice the total absence of all this plot an narrative an build up an well anything that could be mistaken for a back ground in writing or understanding of fantasy elements.
Wizards: Check out this huge threat that we will hint at for a decade and soend two years building up as a multiversal threat Also Wizards: Aight time to return to status quo. Kill all threats in less than 4 sentences.
they kinda wrote themselves into a corner when they decided that phyrexia could 1v100 the multiverse at once and win on every plane wouldve been more satisfying / funny if they got in over their head and attacked so many places at once they just couldnt back up any one plane and got invaded back
the thing is phyrexia should 100% invade every plane because even a single drop of oil - especially the new super oil - can corrupt if left unchecked. Now not planning a way to get back home as close the door, that’s another story.
RIP Urabrask. He is the one praetor that should have lived (even though it never stated he died, but rather norn stepping in when they were about to deliver the execution stating "leave the traitor be.") Sheoldred was ironically overwhelmed by norn when she was able to solo Dominaria by herself with ease.
Bro, the Urabrask disrespect is crazy. They just Swords to Plowshear'd him. No closer, no epilogue, no unity with others. I get that they had to kill off all the Phyrexian lords, but goddamn
No, see, all the fan theories and speculation I have seen have been more interesting than the story itself. It's as if Wizards wanted to pull an Urza and wipe out everything Phyrexian in one fell swoop. Couldn't even leave Urabrask and Sheoldred alive to assume command of the New Phyrexians in their isolated pocket dimension and fight each other until it was time for New Phyrexia to return. The only hope I have for seeing another, better Phyrexian storyline is that several compleated planeswalkers are thus far unaccounted for.
I say the preators should have fought a few planeswalkers to beat them. Like I wanted to see Garruk fight Vorinclex. It would have been perfect 2 apex predators fighting to show strength
Wizards: "Dont worry guys we learned from our mistakes with War of the Spark" Also Wizards: rewrites a more Deus ex conclusion heavy version of war of the Spark
@@GnomallyOrcward definitely, it feels like all the set leading up to this were showing how powerful the Phyrexians are but all the sudden they're tripping overthemselves to get a single victory
Yeah they really didn't stick the landing on this one. So many epic moments in the story, and then this last chapter is just, season 8 of Game of Thrones.
I think yours is a perfect comparison: things were building up pretty well to a big climax... just for everything to be quickly thrown out of the window.
Kaya's entire thing has been "we want to keep her around, but we're not going to bother telling stories *about* her, just stories she's in." I will say it's thematic she can off a Theros god with relative ease. She doesn't destroy, she exiles.
I find that with characters so good at killing things the best stories come when they can't just murder their way out of their problems with extreme prejudice. Kaldheim only worked with Kaya because she couldn't solve it assassinating anybody. I think she'll get her time in the spotlight, but it has to be in such a situation. Maybe on New Capenna? Or Strixhaven? Or Ravnica? It has to be a place where the intricacies of the situation mean a murder may actually complicate things even further.
Elesh Norn: Haha! Watch me foil your hilariously doomed attempt to destroy my realm! Also Elesh Norn: Haha! Now watch as I do my own hilariously doomed attempt to destroy your realms!
It makes sense, cause fear makes anyone do crazy things. Elesh Norn was confronted with the one thing that she feared the most, and it shown, that something which thought itself the pinnicle of perfection could be reduced to a blathering idiot despite her number 2 trying to be a voice of reason
@@AnimeProfilePicture Nothing about the story makes sense from the moment Elspeth pops back into existence, they just wanted to wrap it up. Phyrexians aren't a hivemind, yet they all just shut off? Inspite of the fact that they were literally rebelling against each other up to and including their own deaths? That oil is still on those planes, nothing with expunge it and it adapts to whatever land it touches, if they didn't need Yawgmoth, they sure as hell dont need Norn.
What i want to know is how praetors die from beheading. They had their flesh stripped when they went to other world but didn't die. It just seems too simple or easy
*Elesh Norn is invading the entire Multiverse* Me: „Wow, this will be really difficult for the gate watch to solve.“ Wotc: „No, acually, super easy, barley an inconvenience.“
Really wish Urabrash and Sheoldred were the last two standing as New Phyrexia phased out. It would be great for them to start their own world, serving as the protector and adversary of a remade world. White mana phyrexians could becomes splintered cults while Blue mana form a council of wizards. Green could go back to a more natural evolution.
Same. Urabrask and Sheoldred could've had a Freddy vs. Jason thing going on in the isolated Phyrexia, where one is merely chaotic while the other is outright evil. Instead, they get BLAM'ed and discarded like common henchmen.
Considering how Dominaria got completely busted by a slow invasion and apparently every other plane survived a frontal assault, it's looking more and more that Phyrexia is not all that powerful and that Dominaria is just kinda weak and less united in comparison. That or the Phyrexian's slow corruption is much more effective.
I mean being able to sow chaos and drive people apart while installing sleeper agents and seizing power through that shadows would definitely drive apart a united front that the full frontal assault had to deal with
Well, when they put sleeper agents in every household and nobody sees it coming that their foxhole mate is actually a Screamer, err a Phyrexian, it's not entirely unreasonable that Dominaria was taken relatively by surprise and caught off-guard, kinda' like Order 66 on the Jedi. "Surprise, the ally behind you just transformed into a hulking monstrosity and murdered your entire crew."
I like how they took the time to imply multiple times that there might be phyrexians leftover from yawgmoth's time somewhere on new Cappena, but we never see or hear anything about them in reality. Another missed opportunity.
Everyone tried real hard and won with the power of friendship? I was hoping we would see several whole planes fall. Looks like they are leaving open the door to bring back all the compleated Gatewatch too. Gotta return to where we started before next week's episode after all.
This story had such potential, and it's so damn disappointing and unsatisfying. With how easily the invasions were defeated... Makes Mirrodin look like a joke... Oh and Kaya is absolutely untouchable,unkillable, can kill anything, never struggles, is always right wherever the plot needs her.
A reverse overlay is such a good way to deal with it. There's nobody on New Phyrexia that could have seen it coming, because nobody there existed at the time of the original overlay. That said... there's just too much to tell in so little time and space. Angels and Kaya on Theros? A whole chapter in a couple lines. Of course she can kill anything 1 on 1, that's what she does, that's her gimmick, but HOW? If she can force Ajani to retreat, can't Ajani mirror her and force her to retreat as well? Angels coming to planes and meeting whatever is there? Another chapter in a couple lines. They mention planes that hate angels, and that would have been so nice to see. Angels on Tarkir and people going "What now? Whatever! Keep shooting!" Angels on Innistrad and Sigarda going "I'm sure you folks can explain it later. Chaaarge!" And we see none of it. Nissa coming back again and again with an infinite life pool fits pretty well, but getting Vraska's inner monologue and none of hers while she slaughters millions and holds off half of the gatewatch for three whole chapters? How the hell can Zendikar stop Nahiri once she starts compleating the hedrons? Wtf is Sorin doing after all, if he knows for a fact what Phyrexia is and how it works? Where the f did Jace go, conveniently removed so Elspeth, Teferi, and Karn can have their moment? At least 4 more missing chapters. Too many things to account for... It's clear that Wizards bit way way more than it could chew this time. They have enough lore for a whole book series there, and they'll just casually leave it all hanging in "potential inconcistency" land. :/
Perhaps a listen of “don’t bite off more than you can chew.” Phyrexia in its delusion of perfection thought it could fight multiple planes at once. If they just invaded one plane at a time they could have won.
Yeah it makes no sense how you can kill a being made with faith by cutting it's throat. Elspeth needed a special weapon from Heliod AND a whole block of preparation to kill one newly born god.
Well, given the faithful were being slaughtered or compleated, and in either case losing "faith" (due to death or compleation making them view gods a false or unworthy of adoration/faith), Helios was likely in a severely weakened state. The fact that Helios was compleated probably caused the "faithful" to "lose faith" now that he was basically evil and no longer their protector. In that case I'd probably immediately cease worshipping him too. At which point his power goes from infinite to nil REALLY fast, about like flipping a light switch, IMO. ;) So, there's a plausible case for it... Once the "faith" dries up, his power source is basically gone.
There were great parts to theses stories but this should have been a 3 to 5 set story with a book or two written about it honestly. This story of MTG is one of the bigest part of all its history. To make it finish in such a short and effortlessly killing of phyrexia didn't make it seem like they were even a threat to begin with.
I like how the phyrexians succeeded in their plans almost 99% yet still just lost straight up fights on almost every plane. That machine like intelligence came up with the brilliant plan to just wing a mass invasion an hope they win lol.
Not gonna lie, phyrexia was what got me interested in mtg a couple years ago. So when I heard phyrexia was finally getting a complete phase (set whatever it's called) I got back into mtg and playing, buying cards, and reading up on the lore I was excited. This ending is so empty and just lazy, what a crappy way to just rush to a conclusion. We could of had a threat lasting years but nope just end it said WOTC.
I agree that it felt very rushed, the Praetors were such great villains that could have persisted as Arch Enemies players could look forward to facing.
Vorinclex dying to an unnamed character bothered me at first but now I think it fits. He defined himself as an apex and in his mind would only be beaten by a stronger foe. In the end he fell to simply one of many.
Honestly that works for most, if not all, of the Praetors. Urabrask refused unity and sowed dissension - and was torn apart for it. Jin-Gitaxias falls prey to his own experiments. Elesh Norn claimed to want Phyrexia to be one but her hypocrisy in wanting it to be *hers* doomed not just the war but the future of New Phyrexia (since they say she's the one who locked the oil to her command). Sheoldred... honestly Sheoldred's death was so anti-climactic I can't even remember the reasoning. But schemer and plotter getting killed for scheming and plotting works, I guess, if not as poetically.
@@STS-qi1qy I mean let's not kid ourselves here tho, it was kind of an ass pull. They are crazy strong enemies who everyone was struggling against before but in the last hour of the story they all get killed with little to no effort. Like bruh. The praetors litterally stood there while they were obliterated
I don't think it makes any sense to be honest: Vorinclex wasn't just a loudmouthed arrogant dude, but previously he was presented as an actual threat who could give serious troubles even to strong planeswalkers... how could he fell to an average Joe? It would be like if back on Zendikar Kozilek and Ulamog had been taken out by an ally cavalry charge...
@@ROMANTIKILLER2 to be far the eldrazi were done dirty anyway but yeah thats exactly my point. Vornclex was litterally a top predator, that's his whole thing. Wanna give him a proper death? Have garruk show up and battle him. That guy hunts apex predators as his main thing
Well, we all expected elesh to die right? But the remaining phyrexians becoming inert was the bigest "f### you" from wizzards, i hate that ending, it is small, rushed and controversal.
Well now that there are a plural number of cures for phyresis, it would have been interested to see her go back to whatever she once was. You know, because the good guys are supposed to be good, it makes for an interesting moment where the bad guy has to live with what they're done and feeling remorse,... but we have wotc deciding what will happen so fuck us.
Glad Karn (and Teferi too) could get this victory. They feel like the last remnants of the old story of magic, and some of that story take center stage once more is refreshing after so many years of The Jacetice League.
Coming from warhammer 40k lore, this mtg lore feels beyond dissapointing, they should have written many books about such an event, not this lazy crap. But big props to the narrator, for making it engaging.
Lol your last comment about the god of the sun getting his throat cut had me laughing out loud. That sentence sums up many instances for me in this story
This makes me really miss the old set block release schedule. We don't have any time to marinate on the actions of characters as the story always inevitably rushes to the finish line so that Wizards can usher in spoilers for the next set.
@@yawg691 I know I'm just a lowly putts on the internet, but I think the fact that they went back in time to the brothers war and didn't bring back some kind of essence or Spirit of Gix or yawgmoth with them that ended up being the thing that unraveled new phyrexia was a missed opportunity.
The sudden deaths of Vorinclex and Jin-Gitaxias felt rushed, or even a Deus Ex Machina to allow the story to end. I understand the reasons for the divide, but the story would have made much more sense if the divide caused the Phyrexians that were no longer loyal to Norn to retreat, leaving Norn to die, while Jin-Gitaxias would find a way to undo the "hivemind" that made Phyrexians come to a stop when Norn died. This would leave some enemies alive for another chapter or expansion.
Odds are the ones who were resisting the hivemind survived since according to Kaladesh Walkers theory she controlled them all through radio signals in it basically Which means all those free minded Phyrexians should be absolutely fine.
Same. On one hand he probably wouldn't help the other walkers but 2 apex predators fighting to see who was the top of the food chain would have been badass.
So, Just going to vent. The main story was extremely poorly written while , curiously, most of the side stories were quite enjoyable. It feels almost offensive to compare stories like Jenna Helland’s “Rankle Master of Love “, Alison Lührs “Ravnica One and the Same” or even Seanan McGuire's "Family Game Night" (to cite a couple) with the main story, especially the last three chapters. Anti-climatic resolutions ,characters that actively become less interesting and more flat as the story progresses (with Elesh and Elspeth being hit the hardest) , tired tropes galore (the “we are not so different after all” had me litteraly stop in disbelief ) , whole characters whose omission actively undermines the whole story (Garruk could have been a fair counterpoint to Vorinclex for example; Kasmina and her shadowy cabal of planeswalkers failing to intervene during what is supposedly a universe shattering event ; Ashiok , Narset, Oko, Sarkhan and many more being complete no shows etc) ,narrative arcs snipped in favor of a rushed ending , a generally flat and uninteresting prose : I struggle to believe that the whole saga wasn’t written in a not particularly inspired afternoon. I'm not familiar with K.Rivera's other works, but I must assume she can do better than this and that there must have been factors outside her control that led to this. This all to say nothing of the strong disconnection between the story as told on the site and the one told on the cards, underlining what seems to be miscomunication between the R&D departmente and the story department. Here’s hoping that the aftermath set and the actual planes can carry the weight of the story by showing actually intriguing and well written consequences, because the characters in the main plot surely couldn’t. If there's something that can still make the story of the game interesting , to me this will surely be the planes themselves , the setting and the many interconnecting bits of lore and history that build up to living, immaginative worlds. Character-centered storytelling seems to be out of WotC's grasp , save for a few rare exceptions That said, it takes a real talented narrator to work with this material. Nice job !
Feels like wizards have killed off all the big bads in the last few years - Eldrazi, then Bolas, now phyrexians Not sure what comes next - the return of these baddies or something new I hope Phyrexia rises again one day
Another wasted opportunity :( Mighty praetors falling like flies. Luckily it wasn't winter season. Flu would have wiped them all. What a shame. WOTC must have LOVED how the white walkers were dealt with in GoT.
I think it would have been cool to see characters with more connections and past history kill the big bad guys of mtg. Like maybe Kaya teaches some of the theros heroes how to use spirit blades and they're the ones who kill Heliod while she's the one who offs Vorinclex. It would fit her fight against the praetor from Kaldheim where she failed to prevent him from taking the sap of the world tree. Kaito could've killed Jin too, maybe even with Nashi? It would have felt a bit more cathartic to have characters to whom these villains were relevant kill them. Or have all the praetors die by being too intense in what their vision of New Phyrexia is. Like Urabrask died because he wanted to be too free from others. Sheoldred died because she wanted to be too above others. Elesh Norn died because she wanted to unify others too much. Jin could've died in his own experiments to try and perfect himself(Maybe trying to harvest a planeswalker spark for himself?). And Vorinclex could've gone to Ikoria after hearing there are uncorruptible monsters there to prove his superiority above all other hunters and died in an insane fight there. Just ideas.
This is the first Magic set that I skip most of the lore videos, the pattern is painfully clear from the first a few videos: Phyrexians invade a plane, local heroes stop them, and some legendaries got complated. Phyrexians seem way lamer than Nicol Bolas, failing to conquer even a single plane. They're so bad they almost seem like underdogs, with heroes from across the multiverse ganging up on them. And, of course, once Elesh Norn is defeated, everything just stops - the classic way to wrap up a conflict. Phyrexians used to be about subtly corrupting planes with a few drops of oil or infecting a planeswalker with a small cut, but now they're just a mindless zombie horde that can't get anything done. They're even worse than regular zombies
Sooooo is anyone going to acknowledge that this and Avengers Endgame both end with fantasy African warriors arriving at the nick of time through a portal and crushing a mindless hive-mind army? :P
Karn holding the head of Elesh Norn looks insane, he being a pacifist makes the image impactful. This last chapter felt a bit rushed, but in general we can say that the stories are getting better again.
@Aether Hub It surprises me that Brandon Sanderson hasn't written any stories for them. He's obviously busy and all but I'm pretty sure he loves MTG, I thought he mentioned a collaboration at one point with Magic.
@@beeman4266 As far as I remember he did write a story for them. His conditions were that it's supposed to be a free story but they fucked him over or something so he ended all relations.
I would say all of the preators and Atraxa were finished off a little too easily. You definitely highlighted some of the things going through my head as you narrated, lol.
At least the ending here is a lot better then the war of the spark ending. But in saying that i feel like there is a lot yet unfinished and a lot we haven't seen or heard of for an example, where is Tezzeret in all of this ? And how come we didn't hear about characters like Sorin or Planes like tarkir and so on ? So manny unfinished questions.
I think the individual story beats of War of the Spark were much better honestly. At least the one’s presented on the cards. Bolas was a huge threat right up until the end. In this one the Phyrexians get soundly beaten without much effort.
the way they all got rid of phyrexia is just a bad joke, to phyrexia and all what it stands for... Praetor just die here and there with just a single sentence. Planeswalker sometimes are just better or worse than other humans and now are more than apex machines. Phyrexian Planeswalker are just worse Planeswalker. An invasion with no greater consequences for all the worlds. We all remember, ONE DROP was enough for Mirrodin and now?! What the hell?!
Kaya: “hehe” *shank* *kills an entire council of the most powerful ghost, the strongest known demon on a plane, a literal phyrexian god, and all with no effort at all*
I think a small thing that would have felt better for Vorinclex and Jin-Gitaxis' deaths would be swapping their methods of death if Vorinclex was injured from extended fighting and his troops turning on the apex predator fitting his Phyrexian rule and Jin-Gitaxis be slayed by one swing is more fitting feeling for a scientist/researcher not that he can't fight just his thing isn't fighting like Vorinclex
Jin was my favorite praetor and I'm upset how he died it makes no sense that he was killed so swiftly so effortlessly and he symbolizes blue mana? Blue is by no means a powerhouse when it comes to the colors but it is supposed to be the color of trickery and intellect and yet his demise is dumbfounded
First off, thank you for the vids! I had hoped Emrakul would come into contact with the Phyrexians and the Planeswalkers of the story basically are the guy from Godzilla 2014 going “let them fight.” Mtg’s Adolf Hitler vs their Lovecraftian primeval force of nature. Could’ve used the opportunity provided by the destruction as a semi-timeline reset. Kill old Planeswalkers, provides a climactic finale as source material to their supposed Netflix TV show. Who knows? Maybe we would’ve even gotten to see a compleated Eldrazi. Pay 30 colorless phyrexian mana for Emrakul, Phyrexia incarnate. Really thought they were initially hinting going in that direction after Tamiyo got compleated and they released the recent remastered innistrad set in Arena. Could’ve still included Wrenn melding with Realmbreaker, the final battle could’ve been her against Emrakul. Whatever, RIP my Phyrexian dommy mommy. Thanks again for the great videos!
If they just sent Kaya alone to New Phyrexia (she's would win effortlessly right wizards. She can't be hurt, can kill anything, has no clear weakness and nothing but strengths. She feels like a self insert character, written to be perfect.
Shoulda been obvious the moment she effortlessly slaughtered the Ghost Council who were supposedly arguably the strongest force on Ravnica when they worked together.
i personally feel like elesh norm needed a more painful end like how she cut korn and urabrask to pieces... i refuse to accept this as the end of elesh lol I need a more brutal end for her
I'm sorry but this story felt super rushed, Mirrodin had 3 sets for a long drawn out war story that felt something. March of the Machine gets 1. Yes there was Dominaria and All will be One but those felt like the warm Up and definitely got it's due, MOM should have been way more drawn out, like the Lord of the Rings. Idk maybe its me but DOM and ONE felt like Fellowship, and MOM felt like they crammed The Two Towers and Return of the King into 1 story and NOTHING had a chance to fully develop. Chandra avenging Jaya? Nahiri doing anything? Other worlds seemed like their invasions kinda come and gone like the invasion of the Shire or the battle for Isengard, it just over as fast as it begins. Hell you said it yourself the Preator's death were super par and lackluster. There was so much potential for this super war and it seems like its already over, like we sat down for the beginning of the movie, left in the middle to to go to bathroom or get more popcorn, come back and we are in the final act and we missed alot of the middle. Again could have been just me, just I feel the story did not live up to the hype. Honestly I think your storytelling is probably the only thing saving this for me before I completely reeeeeeeeeee but I guess this me already doing that 😅. Just venting, not trying to argue, would to discuss things if I am wrong or misguided lol. Keep up the good work!
The way the preators fell and the planeswalkers got restored was very G.I. Joe/Hasbro writing. Just plain and all “matter of fact” like. Not to upset Ajani or Nissa fans, but if I had to prepare myself to say goodbye to Tamiyo and Nahiri before the set started, WOTC could have written something more captivating and consequential by killing off the formerly mentioned planeswalkers.
Soooo... the invasion of New Phyrexia happened over a couple hours, or several days? Most the stories make it seem like it was a single day event... until the compleation of the Theros Gods. The faith had to be turned, and that does not seem like a quick feat.
Please do a content on How adjani heals or cured...Narrate more how melira Sacrifice herself for adjani.. Hopefully, WoC will make a Card with the Name "Ultimate Sacrifice". In tribute to melira..😀😀🙏
Probably one of the most rushed story endings I’ve ever seen. The war against the original Phyrexians lead by Yawgmoth took several sets and many years to finish. But after waiting more than a decade for the main characters to even acknowledge the New Phyrexian threat after just a few sets and a couple years its over? I’m kind of disappointed.
I was actually getting engaged in the MtG story again for once... and then of course they rushed everything to an underwhelming conclusion, probably because a part of the lore that could have covered at least one year of new sets was pressed into a couple of months I guess to follow WotC crazy release schedule.
My guess is that, the noticeably absent, Jace will end up the new Phyrexian 'broadcaster' using his mind powers to communicate with the oil but the reach will be limited to whichever plane he is on at the time. That way they can have him pop up whenever they want a Phyrexian threat on any given plane without keeping the Phyrexians at 'multiverse ending threat' levels. I'm also willing to bet that Realmbreaker's portals are going to stay open and connect certain planes to each other allowing for interplanar exchange (and conflict)
I hoped Mirrodin to be restored honestly. Of all the planes it would be one I considered home, but at least New Phyrexia is done... hopefully for good.
So, Phyrexia goes out with a bit of a whimper? Basically overrun by the charge of a single plane [Zhalfir] (or maybe the other planes that beat back New Phyrexia came backtracking via portals/Realmbreaker, too, to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia)? What now? New Phyrexia is "lost to time/space" but not actually, per se, gone/defeated. Just ... missing. So, what next? Is that the final end of Phyrexia, or will the "oil" from various Phyrexian invaders corrupt or gain a foothold on other planes and start New New Phyrexia(s) all over the multiverse (a more pervasive problem?), making the banishment of "[now] Old New Phyrexia" a moot point? Like, just a drop of the stuff from Karn's boot or whatever was enough to corrupt all of Mirrodin (over time). So, now that it's essentially been spread by invaders all over the multiverse, isn't it an even bigger problem? Like won't it corrupt the entire multiverse all over again, from within? Unless some actual "cure" / "antigen" / "vaccine" can finally wipe it out completely everywhere?
But, not all worlds "beat" New Phyrexia's invasions, right? I mean, some fell and were wiped out, right? If so, which ones? Were those planes "compleated" in essence? Are those planes now fully Phyrexianized, even if Realmbreaker has "retreated" from them, leaving again stranded pocket dimensions / planes of "New New Phyrexias"? Surely this isn't the final, final end of the story, if Phyrexia wasn't *fully* vanquished across the *entire* multiverse, and all traces of corrupting glistening oil wiped out "compleatly"... :P
I think the greatest mystery behind all this, at least for me, will be why WotC stopped caring about their fanbase. 15 years of build-up thrown out a Deus es Machina window. All for the sake of saturating their product with reprints, overpriced premium products, and reflavored recycled mechanics. There have been more sets released in the last 2 years than than the 5 years before that combined. WotC has deliberately shifted to a "quantity over quality" policy and expect their fans to keep up or phase out. Reluctantly, I don't have the patience or willingness for disappointment for this story and card game. For me, at least, I think it best to follow suit of Phyrexia and leave this multiverse behind... their story is compleated, as is my partaking in this story.
@Aether Hub I would like to personally thank you for your coverage of the lore all these years. I meant it when I said channels like yours are crucial for fans and the mtg community, and it's been a great experience listening to you cover it. You can't have the Magic without the Gathering, and you've helped keep that magic alive, so once again, thank you. I only wish WotC had done the same
For such a massive and what should have been, pivotal moment in the lore for the entire game I mean think about it, we've spent nearly THIRTY *YEARS* building up for the moment where the Phyrexians would invade... somthing, everyone assumed it would be one or two planes... but the idea of March of the Machine was such a cool and interesting idea. And I am devastated that the Phyrexians lost so pathetically, I would've been fine with this outcome if it had not been for: A. All of the Oil outside of Phyrexia being Deus Ex Machina'd out of the Multiverse REALLY kills any threat of compleation for everyone exept some poor bastard who was unfortunate enough to not make their way through the portal Wrenn made B. Having 95% of the important characters that actually, mattered being revived because... reasons... So as a result really the ONLY threat remaining is the Eldrazi and even then, Kozilek and Ulamog at at *BEST* floating around in the Blind Eternities and at worst completely dead while Emrakul is still sealed in Innestad's moon... so now Wizards has pretty much written themselves into a corner where there's no real big threat anymore... Good Job Wizards! In ONE set, All will be *none important!*
1. I agree the praetors deserved a little more. Maybe another chapter or so to really allow them to really show off and meet their end. Heliod's fight should have also have been expanded on. There are other theros planeswalkers who could have dealt with him or aided Kaya. 2. Norn's death was perfect. Unmade by the father of machines. Excellent. 3. When Ajani showed up, I felt my heart sank. It seemed like this would be the end of him. It put me at ease when he was captured. Great narration as always. I look forward to your last chapter video.
Small point in the craziness of the story, but major applause to our narrator! You're a great story teller dude.
Legit the best compliment I could ask for
@@AetherHub hey so apparently in the first part of this video you said angel in the past could travel and or at least communicate with other angels in other planes magic better explain this.😅
First we had "War of the Spark: Little Consequences"
Now we have "March of the Machines: Rushed to the finish line"
Wizards: we're going against multiverse threats that were built within a decade of stories.
Also Wizards: move on, we have universes beyond: LOTR to sell.
Aftermath is still coming.
@@totz_the_plaid9625 but the story is over, right? I mean, an apex predator killed by a random soldier is a little off for my taste...
Aftermath is gonna be something like: how do we rebuild. Like the last story we had to finish MotM.
I dont know, things was kinda rushed.
Even though the side stories did they part on whats happening on other planes, some of the main content was so simplified that i wished for aftermath to be his own set and the stories te flow continuous for this 3, 4 months.
It would be amazing. To built the characters, the losses, the boss fights... the hard earned victory.
But this is just me wishing for the miracle of Hasbro doing things right.
Sorry for the long reply!
The multiverse trembles!!
...for about 15 minutes
@Joao Arruda OH THANK GAWD. I thought i was the only one to notice the total absence of all this plot an narrative an build up an well anything that could be mistaken for a back ground in writing or understanding of fantasy elements.
Props to Zalfir's soldier number 22, the hero we needed to slay the mighty Vorinclex. Guess he had deathtouch
Never underestimate those token decks.
Pretty sure it was number 47 my guy don't get me wrong number 22 was cool but I'm certain it was unnamed soldier 47
@@xaldrexane 22 as a stand in for 2/2
And first strike 😂
Oh, we just had to cut his head off.. makes sense why no one in Khaldheim could do that
Thanks for keeping the Lore alive all these years.
I appreciate this so much. Thank you!
Wizards: Check out this huge threat that we will hint at for a decade and soend two years building up as a multiversal threat
Also Wizards: Aight time to return to status quo. Kill all threats in less than 4 sentences.
If you think they care about anything but selling cards, I have some bad news for you.
they kinda wrote themselves into a corner when they decided that phyrexia could 1v100 the multiverse at once and win on every plane
wouldve been more satisfying / funny if they got in over their head and attacked so many places at once they just couldnt back up any one plane and got invaded back
the thing is phyrexia should 100% invade every plane because even a single drop of oil - especially the new super oil - can corrupt if left unchecked. Now not planning a way to get back home as close the door, that’s another story.
@@jevry4307 Unleash emrikuls and let her consume the phyrexian corrupted planes and create a second mending removing the planeswalkers from the game.
It's like DC cinematic universe, just trying to copy marvel and being disappointing because they wanted to rush it to make money
RIP Urabrask. He is the one praetor that should have lived (even though it never stated he died, but rather norn stepping in when they were about to deliver the execution stating "leave the traitor be.") Sheoldred was ironically overwhelmed by norn when she was able to solo Dominaria by herself with ease.
Bro, the Urabrask disrespect is crazy. They just Swords to Plowshear'd him. No closer, no epilogue, no unity with others. I get that they had to kill off all the Phyrexian lords, but goddamn
Kind of expecting to see some freakish hybrid amalgam(s) in future, given _how_ those outside of Norn were taken apart.
@@christopherb501 Sooo Atraxa 2.0, but switch White for Red?
No. All Phyrexia should be exterminated.
Sheoldred only solo’ed Dominaria because she had a lot of prep time
The story for the set felt more like a Fan fiction then a actual story
Probably even ChatGPT would have written a more cohesive and less underwhelming story.
You know, writing dialog is hard, so... let's not do it at all.
No, see, all the fan theories and speculation I have seen have been more interesting than the story itself.
It's as if Wizards wanted to pull an Urza and wipe out everything Phyrexian in one fell swoop. Couldn't even leave Urabrask and Sheoldred alive to assume command of the New Phyrexians in their isolated pocket dimension and fight each other until it was time for New Phyrexia to return.
The only hope I have for seeing another, better Phyrexian storyline is that several compleated planeswalkers are thus far unaccounted for.
I say the preators should have fought a few planeswalkers to beat them. Like I wanted to see Garruk fight Vorinclex. It would have been perfect 2 apex predators fighting to show strength
@@thomascaldwell2567
Once again, proving my previous comment.
Wizards: "Dont worry guys we learned from our mistakes with War of the Spark"
Also Wizards: rewrites a more Deus ex conclusion heavy version of war of the Spark
Amazingly more people died in War too. This whole thing has been one big nothing burger.
@@GnomallyOrcward definitely, it feels like all the set leading up to this were showing how powerful the Phyrexians are but all the sudden they're tripping overthemselves to get a single victory
Yeah they really didn't stick the landing on this one. So many epic moments in the story, and then this last chapter is just, season 8 of Game of Thrones.
I think yours is a perfect comparison: things were building up pretty well to a big climax... just for everything to be quickly thrown out of the window.
Season 8 of got seems about right
Same feeling, just... Betrayal. So many cool Praetors, offed so easily...
Yeppo
Kaya's entire thing has been "we want to keep her around, but we're not going to bother telling stories *about* her, just stories she's in."
I will say it's thematic she can off a Theros god with relative ease. She doesn't destroy, she exiles.
Unleash emrikuls and let her consume the phyrexian corrupted planes and create a second mending removing the planeswalkers from the game.
Sorry replied this under the wrong post.
I find that with characters so good at killing things the best stories come when they can't just murder their way out of their problems with extreme prejudice. Kaldheim only worked with Kaya because she couldn't solve it assassinating anybody. I think she'll get her time in the spotlight, but it has to be in such a situation. Maybe on New Capenna? Or Strixhaven? Or Ravnica? It has to be a place where the intricacies of the situation mean a murder may actually complicate things even further.
@@Razdasoldier what do you have against planes walkers.
And to think if Ashiok didn't point out Elesh Norn's fear, she wouldn't have had such a cartoony reaction when she first sees Elspeth return.
I- wait a second they dedicated a whole short story to that planeswalker!
@@rennac3152 yup they fucked with elesh norn. Think it was like a prequel. Or lead in story
@@rennac3152 how did he know elspeth was an angel? don't think about it
@@dargtagnan3696 he didn't, Elesh Norn is afraid of Elspeth because she sees herself in Elspeth and you know how Phyrexians feel about flesh
@@lazyprinny3265 it was an epilogue mainly to set up this story
You have done a fantastic job with this story sorry the writing of the Mtg staff didn’t hold up their end
Elesh Norn: Haha! Watch me foil your hilariously doomed attempt to destroy my realm!
Also Elesh Norn: Haha! Now watch as I do my own hilariously doomed attempt to destroy your realms!
Only because of Deus Ex Machina
It makes sense, cause fear makes anyone do crazy things. Elesh Norn was confronted with the one thing that she feared the most, and it shown, that something which thought itself the pinnicle of perfection could be reduced to a blathering idiot despite her number 2 trying to be a voice of reason
@@AnimeProfilePicture yep it makes sense she is the negative parts of white mana after all which includes being not that imaginative.
@@AnimeProfilePicture Nothing about the story makes sense from the moment Elspeth pops back into existence, they just wanted to wrap it up. Phyrexians aren't a hivemind, yet they all just shut off? Inspite of the fact that they were literally rebelling against each other up to and including their own deaths?
That oil is still on those planes, nothing with expunge it and it adapts to whatever land it touches, if they didn't need Yawgmoth, they sure as hell dont need Norn.
Elesh norn: *sees elspeth *throws tantrum lol
What i want to know is how praetors die from beheading. They had their flesh stripped when they went to other world but didn't die. It just seems too simple or easy
Bad writing
I mean none of it makes senae cause if flesh melted than so too should their brains
It's like the opposite of plot armor
Who knows? Maybe the writers will remember that and bring Urabrask and Sheoldred back someday.
And sheoldred can transform into spiders to escape, so the whole part about Ajani holding her in a net and beheading her doesn’t make sense.
*Elesh Norn is invading the entire Multiverse* Me: „Wow, this will be really difficult for the gate watch to solve.“ Wotc: „No, acually, super easy, barley an inconvenience.“
Whoops
Oh really
Wow wow wow....... wow
There’s still a Gatewatch after this? Lol
@@hobokoala2623 whoopsy
It’s sad to see the death of so many characters all killed with little ceremony
Really wish Urabrash and Sheoldred were the last two standing as New Phyrexia phased out. It would be great for them to start their own world, serving as the protector and adversary of a remade world. White mana phyrexians could becomes splintered cults while Blue mana form a council of wizards. Green could go back to a more natural evolution.
Agreed. But we still have the dominus to do what needs to be done. Right?
I wish Jin and Vorinclex would have survived, one was too cunning and the other too strong to be offed so easily 😢
Same. Urabrask and Sheoldred could've had a Freddy vs. Jason thing going on in the isolated Phyrexia, where one is merely chaotic while the other is outright evil. Instead, they get BLAM'ed and discarded like common henchmen.
Considering how Dominaria got completely busted by a slow invasion and apparently every other plane survived a frontal assault, it's looking more and more that Phyrexia is not all that powerful and that Dominaria is just kinda weak and less united in comparison. That or the Phyrexian's slow corruption is much more effective.
I mean being able to sow chaos and drive people apart while installing sleeper agents and seizing power through that shadows would definitely drive apart a united front that the full frontal assault had to deal with
Well, when they put sleeper agents in every household and nobody sees it coming that their foxhole mate is actually a Screamer, err a Phyrexian, it's not entirely unreasonable that Dominaria was taken relatively by surprise and caught off-guard, kinda' like Order 66 on the Jedi. "Surprise, the ally behind you just transformed into a hulking monstrosity and murdered your entire crew."
@@MGmirkin exactly
"and then out of nowhere the good guys won.The end"
I like how they took the time to imply multiple times that there might be phyrexians leftover from yawgmoth's time somewhere on new Cappena, but we never see or hear anything about them in reality. Another missed opportunity.
Everyone tried real hard and won with the power of friendship? I was hoping we would see several whole planes fall. Looks like they are leaving open the door to bring back all the compleated Gatewatch too. Gotta return to where we started before next week's episode after all.
This story had such potential, and it's so damn disappointing and unsatisfying.
With how easily the invasions were defeated... Makes Mirrodin look like a joke...
Oh and Kaya is absolutely untouchable,unkillable, can kill anything, never struggles, is always right wherever the plot needs her.
Completely agree
Hey, she is a black woman, if you say that she is not it means that you are racist
She's too strong. They might've wrote themselves into the corner with that one.
A reverse overlay is such a good way to deal with it. There's nobody on New Phyrexia that could have seen it coming, because nobody there existed at the time of the original overlay. That said... there's just too much to tell in so little time and space.
Angels and Kaya on Theros? A whole chapter in a couple lines. Of course she can kill anything 1 on 1, that's what she does, that's her gimmick, but HOW? If she can force Ajani to retreat, can't Ajani mirror her and force her to retreat as well?
Angels coming to planes and meeting whatever is there? Another chapter in a couple lines. They mention planes that hate angels, and that would have been so nice to see. Angels on Tarkir and people going "What now? Whatever! Keep shooting!" Angels on Innistrad and Sigarda going "I'm sure you folks can explain it later. Chaaarge!" And we see none of it.
Nissa coming back again and again with an infinite life pool fits pretty well, but getting Vraska's inner monologue and none of hers while she slaughters millions and holds off half of the gatewatch for three whole chapters? How the hell can Zendikar stop Nahiri once she starts compleating the hedrons? Wtf is Sorin doing after all, if he knows for a fact what Phyrexia is and how it works? Where the f did Jace go, conveniently removed so Elspeth, Teferi, and Karn can have their moment? At least 4 more missing chapters.
Too many things to account for... It's clear that Wizards bit way way more than it could chew this time. They have enough lore for a whole book series there, and they'll just casually leave it all hanging in "potential inconcistency" land. :/
They definitely rushed this set. Too many inconsistencies and plot holes. Also can't planeswalkers just planeswalk away whenever they want? Lol
Perhaps a listen of “don’t bite off more than you can chew.” Phyrexia in its delusion of perfection thought it could fight multiple planes at once. If they just invaded one plane at a time they could have won.
Nah, that would require wizards to do more work. They just wanted a quick buck lol
Wait, so Heliod was killed by being stabbed in the neck with a small dagger?
A small ghost dagger to be more accurate lol Kaya was in her ghost form when she did the deed.
Yeah it makes no sense how you can kill a being made with faith by cutting it's throat. Elspeth needed a special weapon from Heliod AND a whole block of preparation to kill one newly born god.
Well, given the faithful were being slaughtered or compleated, and in either case losing "faith" (due to death or compleation making them view gods a false or unworthy of adoration/faith), Helios was likely in a severely weakened state. The fact that Helios was compleated probably caused the "faithful" to "lose faith" now that he was basically evil and no longer their protector. In that case I'd probably immediately cease worshipping him too. At which point his power goes from infinite to nil REALLY fast, about like flipping a light switch, IMO. ;) So, there's a plausible case for it... Once the "faith" dries up, his power source is basically gone.
There were great parts to theses stories but this should have been a 3 to 5 set story with a book or two written about it honestly. This story of MTG is one of the bigest part of all its history. To make it finish in such a short and effortlessly killing of phyrexia didn't make it seem like they were even a threat to begin with.
I was digging the entire concept going into this set, even loved some of the chapters, but the ending just feels unfulfilling to me.
I like how the phyrexians succeeded in their plans almost 99% yet still just lost straight up fights on almost every plane. That machine like intelligence came up with the brilliant plan to just wing a mass invasion an hope they win lol.
I really do enjoy listening to you tell these stories. I always look forward to the next chapters.
This huge threat ended with a bit of a wet fart…
Not gonna lie, phyrexia was what got me interested in mtg a couple years ago. So when I heard phyrexia was finally getting a complete phase (set whatever it's called) I got back into mtg and playing, buying cards, and reading up on the lore I was excited. This ending is so empty and just lazy, what a crappy way to just rush to a conclusion. We could of had a threat lasting years but nope just end it said WOTC.
Same. I got into it last year during New Capenna, but it was the weatherlight saga that got me interested. This was a letdown
I agree that it felt very rushed, the Praetors were such great villains that could have persisted as Arch Enemies players could look forward to facing.
Vorinclex dying to an unnamed character bothered me at first but now I think it fits.
He defined himself as an apex and in his mind would only be beaten by a stronger foe. In the end he fell to simply one of many.
Honestly that works for most, if not all, of the Praetors.
Urabrask refused unity and sowed dissension - and was torn apart for it.
Jin-Gitaxias falls prey to his own experiments.
Elesh Norn claimed to want Phyrexia to be one but her hypocrisy in wanting it to be *hers* doomed not just the war but the future of New Phyrexia (since they say she's the one who locked the oil to her command).
Sheoldred... honestly Sheoldred's death was so anti-climactic I can't even remember the reasoning. But schemer and plotter getting killed for scheming and plotting works, I guess, if not as poetically.
@@STS-qi1qy I mean let's not kid ourselves here tho, it was kind of an ass pull. They are crazy strong enemies who everyone was struggling against before but in the last hour of the story they all get killed with little to no effort. Like bruh. The praetors litterally stood there while they were obliterated
I don't think it makes any sense to be honest: Vorinclex wasn't just a loudmouthed arrogant dude, but previously he was presented as an actual threat who could give serious troubles even to strong planeswalkers... how could he fell to an average Joe?
It would be like if back on Zendikar Kozilek and Ulamog had been taken out by an ally cavalry charge...
@@ROMANTIKILLER2 to be far the eldrazi were done dirty anyway but yeah thats exactly my point. Vornclex was litterally a top predator, that's his whole thing. Wanna give him a proper death? Have garruk show up and battle him. That guy hunts apex predators as his main thing
Well, we all expected elesh to die right? But the remaining phyrexians becoming inert was the bigest "f### you" from wizzards, i hate that ending, it is small, rushed and controversal.
Well now that there are a plural number of cures for phyresis, it would have been interested to see her go back to whatever she once was. You know, because the good guys are supposed to be good, it makes for an interesting moment where the bad guy has to live with what they're done and feeling remorse,... but we have wotc deciding what will happen so fuck us.
I hate wizards for this end.
Glad Karn (and Teferi too) could get this victory. They feel like the last remnants of the old story of magic, and some of that story take center stage once more is refreshing after so many years of The Jacetice League.
Coming from warhammer 40k lore, this mtg lore feels beyond dissapointing, they should have written many books about such an event, not this lazy crap.
But big props to the narrator, for making it engaging.
Lol your last comment about the god of the sun getting his throat cut had me laughing out loud. That sentence sums up many instances for me in this story
I'm not sure what to think about the whole story. I had some fears on how they would tell the tale. The strings of deux ex machina is dissapointing.
yawgmoth seeing this in his grave: look how they massacrated my boy
What about all the oil spilled in all those planes? Wont that just infect everywhere like it did with mirrodin?
This makes me really miss the old set block release schedule. We don't have any time to marinate on the actions of characters as the story always inevitably rushes to the finish line so that Wizards can usher in spoilers for the next set.
Was gonna say the exact same thing until I found this comment. Magic as a whole feels rushed anymore.
Phyrexia will return. Not even bad writing can kill us off for good.
Glory to Phyrexia
All will be One
All will be done.
"Gets thrown into the bin with the Eldrazi/Bolas"
Who will be what?
Atraxa? ANNNNNNND SHES GONE.
Heliod? ANDDDDDD HES GONE!
Gin Gitaxis? ANNNND HES GONE!
Vorinclex....? EFFING GONE, SON!
Eldrazi? WTF IS THAT, NEVER HEARD IF IT!?
And don't forget the off-screen deaths and killed off characters that didn't even get cards.
Phyrexia? ANNNNNNNNNNDDD ITS GONE!
Glistening oil? AAAAAAAND ITS GONE
@@yawg691 Compleated Planeswalkers? ANNNND THEY'RE BACK!
@@yawg691 I know I'm just a lowly putts on the internet, but I think the fact that they went back in time to the brothers war and didn't bring back some kind of essence or Spirit of Gix or yawgmoth with them that ended up being the thing that unraveled new phyrexia was a missed opportunity.
The sudden deaths of Vorinclex and Jin-Gitaxias felt rushed, or even a Deus Ex Machina to allow the story to end. I understand the reasons for the divide, but the story would have made much more sense if the divide caused the Phyrexians that were no longer loyal to Norn to retreat, leaving Norn to die, while Jin-Gitaxias would find a way to undo the "hivemind" that made Phyrexians come to a stop when Norn died. This would leave some enemies alive for another chapter or expansion.
Odds are the ones who were resisting the hivemind survived since according to Kaladesh Walkers theory she controlled them all through radio signals in it basically
Which means all those free minded Phyrexians should be absolutely fine.
I was really hoping Garruk would arrive and be the one to finish Vorinclex. But context clues implies it was Elspeth? I can live with that
Same. On one hand he probably wouldn't help the other walkers but 2 apex predators fighting to see who was the top of the food chain would have been badass.
Seems off that they can swap essentially an island for an entire plane.
Are we getting another Kamigawa set? It would love to see bushido come back as a mechanic.
So, Just going to vent.
The main story was extremely poorly written while , curiously, most of the side stories were quite enjoyable. It feels almost offensive to compare stories like Jenna Helland’s “Rankle Master of Love “, Alison Lührs “Ravnica One and the Same” or even Seanan McGuire's "Family Game Night" (to cite a couple) with the main story, especially the last three chapters. Anti-climatic resolutions ,characters that actively become less interesting and more flat as the story progresses (with Elesh and Elspeth being hit the hardest) , tired tropes galore (the “we are not so different after all” had me litteraly stop in disbelief ) , whole characters whose omission actively undermines the whole story (Garruk could have been a fair counterpoint to Vorinclex for example; Kasmina and her shadowy cabal of planeswalkers failing to intervene during what is supposedly a universe shattering event ; Ashiok , Narset, Oko, Sarkhan and many more being complete no shows etc) ,narrative arcs snipped in favor of a rushed ending , a generally flat and uninteresting prose : I struggle to believe that the whole saga wasn’t written in a not particularly inspired afternoon. I'm not familiar with K.Rivera's other works, but I must assume she can do better than this and that there must have been factors outside her control that led to this. This all to say nothing of the strong disconnection between the story as told on the site and the one told on the cards, underlining what seems to be miscomunication between the R&D departmente and the story department.
Here’s hoping that the aftermath set and the actual planes can carry the weight of the story by showing actually intriguing and well written consequences, because the characters in the main plot surely couldn’t. If there's something that can still make the story of the game interesting , to me this will surely be the planes themselves , the setting and the many interconnecting bits of lore and history that build up to living, immaginative worlds. Character-centered storytelling seems to be out of WotC's grasp , save for a few rare exceptions
That said, it takes a real talented narrator to work with this material. Nice job !
Feels like wizards have killed off all the big bads in the last few years - Eldrazi, then Bolas, now phyrexians
Not sure what comes next - the return of these baddies or something new
I hope Phyrexia rises again one day
All the major antagonists and new threats are wiped out in a single sentence each. Just feels kinda hollow.
Thank you for the narration, I enjoyed it very much!
Random question tho: What happened to the plane of lorwyn?
So all we lnow is that the racist eleves put aside their beauty differences to fifht together and the kithkin are fighting them on goats
Basically its safe to assume all planes were damaged but one
Another wasted opportunity :( Mighty praetors falling like flies. Luckily it wasn't winter season. Flu would have wiped them all. What a shame. WOTC must have LOVED how the white walkers were dealt with in GoT.
What an unsatisfying ending that happened way too quickly.
Nicolbolas: “suddenly I feel a little better about my loss….man, hate to be those guys”
I think it would have been cool to see characters with more connections and past history kill the big bad guys of mtg. Like maybe Kaya teaches some of the theros heroes how to use spirit blades and they're the ones who kill Heliod while she's the one who offs Vorinclex. It would fit her fight against the praetor from Kaldheim where she failed to prevent him from taking the sap of the world tree. Kaito could've killed Jin too, maybe even with Nashi? It would have felt a bit more cathartic to have characters to whom these villains were relevant kill them. Or have all the praetors die by being too intense in what their vision of New Phyrexia is. Like Urabrask died because he wanted to be too free from others. Sheoldred died because she wanted to be too above others. Elesh Norn died because she wanted to unify others too much. Jin could've died in his own experiments to try and perfect himself(Maybe trying to harvest a planeswalker spark for himself?). And Vorinclex could've gone to Ikoria after hearing there are uncorruptible monsters there to prove his superiority above all other hunters and died in an insane fight there. Just ideas.
This is the first Magic set that I skip most of the lore videos, the pattern is painfully clear from the first a few videos: Phyrexians invade a plane, local heroes stop them, and some legendaries got complated. Phyrexians seem way lamer than Nicol Bolas, failing to conquer even a single plane. They're so bad they almost seem like underdogs, with heroes from across the multiverse ganging up on them. And, of course, once Elesh Norn is defeated, everything just stops - the classic way to wrap up a conflict.
Phyrexians used to be about subtly corrupting planes with a few drops of oil or infecting a planeswalker with a small cut, but now they're just a mindless zombie horde that can't get anything done. They're even worse than regular zombies
Sooooo is anyone going to acknowledge that this and Avengers Endgame both end with fantasy African warriors arriving at the nick of time through a portal and crushing a mindless hive-mind army? :P
Karn holding the head of Elesh Norn looks insane, he being a pacifist makes the image impactful. This last chapter felt a bit rushed, but in general we can say that the stories are getting better again.
Man these are always rushed at the end. Still I liked the story overall!
It's karmic justice. I mean, she reduced him to a mere head. 😅
@Aether Hub It surprises me that Brandon Sanderson hasn't written any stories for them. He's obviously busy and all but I'm pretty sure he loves MTG, I thought he mentioned a collaboration at one point with Magic.
@@beeman4266 As far as I remember he did write a story for them. His conditions were that it's supposed to be a free story but they fucked him over or something so he ended all relations.
@@beeman4266 He did write that Davriel story. Children of the Nameless.
Some of the preators went down way too fast definitely should been a build up or just more detail
I would say all of the preators and Atraxa were finished off a little too easily. You definitely highlighted some of the things going through my head as you narrated, lol.
At least the ending here is a lot better then the war of the spark ending. But in saying that i feel like there is a lot yet unfinished and a lot we haven't seen or heard of for an example, where is Tezzeret in all of this ? And how come we didn't hear about characters like Sorin or Planes like tarkir and so on ? So manny unfinished questions.
Agreed
I think the individual story beats of War of the Spark were much better honestly. At least the one’s presented on the cards. Bolas was a huge threat right up until the end. In this one the Phyrexians get soundly beaten without much effort.
Where is Jace🤔
This is a lot worse than WotS's ending
Especially because the last mentions of Arlinn and Sorin was that they were trying to prep Innistrad to fight Phyrexia.
Hear me out, I think, gingitaxus faked his death since he knew he couldn't win in a physical confrontation
the way they all got rid of phyrexia is just a bad joke, to phyrexia and all what it stands for...
Praetor just die here and there with just a single sentence.
Planeswalker sometimes are just better or worse than other humans and now are more than apex machines.
Phyrexian Planeswalker are just worse Planeswalker.
An invasion with no greater consequences for all the worlds. We all remember, ONE DROP was enough for Mirrodin and now?! What the hell?!
Vorinclex got done dirty
Kaya cutting Heliod's throat should be some Attack on Titanesque coup de grace
This is like when the Chitauri all just collapsed dead at the end of The Avengers.
I thought the story could had been better if Jin manipulated Vorinclex into double crossing Norn, leading to both of their deaths.
Well that was... abrupt... What a rug pull.
Kaya: “hehe” *shank* *kills an entire council of the most powerful ghost, the strongest known demon on a plane, a literal phyrexian god, and all with no effort at all*
Bad writing together with the power of DEI committee.
Heliod got shanked in the prison yard hahaha
Kaya sucks so bad
I think a small thing that would have felt better for Vorinclex and Jin-Gitaxis' deaths would be swapping their methods of death if Vorinclex was injured from extended fighting and his troops turning on the apex predator fitting his Phyrexian rule and Jin-Gitaxis be slayed by one swing is more fitting feeling for a scientist/researcher not that he can't fight just his thing isn't fighting like Vorinclex
Jin was my favorite praetor and I'm upset how he died it makes no sense that he was killed so swiftly so effortlessly and he symbolizes blue mana? Blue is by no means a powerhouse when it comes to the colors but it is supposed to be the color of trickery and intellect and yet his demise is dumbfounded
did axtraxa AND vorinclex really just die in less then one paragraph
What's that artwork from the start of rhe video? Is it from New Capenna or MOM?
Teferi better get a planeswalker card like he did in og Dominria, core 2021, midnight hunt and brothers war. He deserves another planeswalker card!
I wonder what happened to Jace.
First off, thank you for the vids! I had hoped Emrakul would come into contact with the Phyrexians and the Planeswalkers of the story basically are the guy from Godzilla 2014 going “let them fight.” Mtg’s Adolf Hitler vs their Lovecraftian primeval force of nature. Could’ve used the opportunity provided by the destruction as a semi-timeline reset. Kill old Planeswalkers, provides a climactic finale as source material to their supposed Netflix TV show. Who knows? Maybe we would’ve even gotten to see a compleated Eldrazi. Pay 30 colorless phyrexian mana for Emrakul, Phyrexia incarnate. Really thought they were initially hinting going in that direction after Tamiyo got compleated and they released the recent remastered innistrad set in Arena. Could’ve still included Wrenn melding with Realmbreaker, the final battle could’ve been her against Emrakul. Whatever, RIP my Phyrexian dommy mommy. Thanks again for the great videos!
We already know that the king and queen fall but we don't know how. I'm excited to find out though
If they just sent Kaya alone to New Phyrexia (she's would win effortlessly right wizards.
She can't be hurt, can kill anything, has no clear weakness and nothing but strengths.
She feels like a self insert character, written to be perfect.
Shoulda been obvious the moment she effortlessly slaughtered the Ghost Council who were supposedly arguably the strongest force on Ravnica when they worked together.
i personally feel like elesh norm needed a more painful end like how she cut korn and urabrask to pieces... i refuse to accept this as the end of elesh lol I need a more brutal end for her
I'm sorry but this story felt super rushed, Mirrodin had 3 sets for a long drawn out war story that felt something. March of the Machine gets 1. Yes there was Dominaria and All will be One but those felt like the warm Up and definitely got it's due, MOM should have been way more drawn out, like the Lord of the Rings. Idk maybe its me but DOM and ONE felt like Fellowship, and MOM felt like they crammed The Two Towers and Return of the King into 1 story and NOTHING had a chance to fully develop. Chandra avenging Jaya? Nahiri doing anything? Other worlds seemed like their invasions kinda come and gone like the invasion of the Shire or the battle for Isengard, it just over as fast as it begins. Hell you said it yourself the Preator's death were super par and lackluster. There was so much potential for this super war and it seems like its already over, like we sat down for the beginning of the movie, left in the middle to to go to bathroom or get more popcorn, come back and we are in the final act and we missed alot of the middle. Again could have been just me, just I feel the story did not live up to the hype. Honestly I think your storytelling is probably the only thing saving this for me before I completely reeeeeeeeeee but I guess this me already doing that 😅. Just venting, not trying to argue, would to discuss things if I am wrong or misguided lol. Keep up the good work!
The way the preators fell and the planeswalkers got restored was very G.I. Joe/Hasbro writing. Just plain and all “matter of fact” like.
Not to upset Ajani or Nissa fans, but if I had to prepare myself to say goodbye to Tamiyo and Nahiri before the set started, WOTC could have written something more captivating and consequential by killing off the formerly mentioned planeswalkers.
Only Tamiyo was confirmed dead tho right? Considering Vraska and Nahiris body's are MIA
Soooo... the invasion of New Phyrexia happened over a couple hours, or several days? Most the stories make it seem like it was a single day event... until the compleation of the Theros Gods. The faith had to be turned, and that does not seem like a quick feat.
what happened to Tezzeret
Urabrask is now the last preator, how will he lead them?
There better be a go for the throat card with kaya and heliod
Please do a content on How adjani heals or cured...Narrate more how melira Sacrifice herself for adjani..
Hopefully, WoC will make a Card with the Name "Ultimate Sacrifice". In tribute to melira..😀😀🙏
Jin-gitaxius i feel is open to coming back in the future.
Probably one of the most rushed story endings I’ve ever seen. The war against the original Phyrexians lead by Yawgmoth took several sets and many years to finish. But after waiting more than a decade for the main characters to even acknowledge the New Phyrexian threat after just a few sets and a couple years its over? I’m kind of disappointed.
Dang they did my boy Vorinclex dirty
I was actually getting engaged in the MtG story again for once... and then of course they rushed everything to an underwhelming conclusion, probably because a part of the lore that could have covered at least one year of new sets was pressed into a couple of months I guess to follow WotC crazy release schedule.
Wotc Jumped the shark with this one.
Looking forward to the final chapter. Great series you've out together here!
My guess is that, the noticeably absent, Jace will end up the new Phyrexian 'broadcaster' using his mind powers to communicate with the oil but the reach will be limited to whichever plane he is on at the time. That way they can have him pop up whenever they want a Phyrexian threat on any given plane without keeping the Phyrexians at 'multiverse ending threat' levels.
I'm also willing to bet that Realmbreaker's portals are going to stay open and connect certain planes to each other allowing for interplanar exchange (and conflict)
I hoped Mirrodin to be restored honestly. Of all the planes it would be one I considered home, but at least New Phyrexia is done... hopefully for good.
So, Phyrexia goes out with a bit of a whimper? Basically overrun by the charge of a single plane [Zhalfir] (or maybe the other planes that beat back New Phyrexia came backtracking via portals/Realmbreaker, too, to Mirrodin/New Phyrexia)?
What now? New Phyrexia is "lost to time/space" but not actually, per se, gone/defeated. Just ... missing.
So, what next? Is that the final end of Phyrexia, or will the "oil" from various Phyrexian invaders corrupt or gain a foothold on other planes and start New New Phyrexia(s) all over the multiverse (a more pervasive problem?), making the banishment of "[now] Old New Phyrexia" a moot point?
Like, just a drop of the stuff from Karn's boot or whatever was enough to corrupt all of Mirrodin (over time). So, now that it's essentially been spread by invaders all over the multiverse, isn't it an even bigger problem? Like won't it corrupt the entire multiverse all over again, from within?
Unless some actual "cure" / "antigen" / "vaccine" can finally wipe it out completely everywhere?
But, not all worlds "beat" New Phyrexia's invasions, right? I mean, some fell and were wiped out, right? If so, which ones? Were those planes "compleated" in essence? Are those planes now fully Phyrexianized, even if Realmbreaker has "retreated" from them, leaving again stranded pocket dimensions / planes of "New New Phyrexias"?
Surely this isn't the final, final end of the story, if Phyrexia wasn't *fully* vanquished across the *entire* multiverse, and all traces of corrupting glistening oil wiped out "compleatly"... :P
I think the greatest mystery behind all this, at least for me, will be why WotC stopped caring about their fanbase. 15 years of build-up thrown out a Deus es Machina window. All for the sake of saturating their product with reprints, overpriced premium products, and reflavored recycled mechanics. There have been more sets released in the last 2 years than than the 5 years before that combined. WotC has deliberately shifted to a "quantity over quality" policy and expect their fans to keep up or phase out. Reluctantly, I don't have the patience or willingness for disappointment for this story and card game. For me, at least, I think it best to follow suit of Phyrexia and leave this multiverse behind... their story is compleated, as is my partaking in this story.
@Aether Hub I would like to personally thank you for your coverage of the lore all these years. I meant it when I said channels like yours are crucial for fans and the mtg community, and it's been a great experience listening to you cover it. You can't have the Magic without the Gathering, and you've helped keep that magic alive, so once again, thank you. I only wish WotC had done the same
I may have missed it but isn't sheoldred still around?
She was killed by Ajani right at the start of the history.
I think Norn had she desmembered, did she not?
@@felipeguidolin1055 I gotta look that part up because I definitely missed that part of the lore. Thank you though
For such a massive and what should have been, pivotal moment in the lore for the entire game I mean think about it, we've spent nearly THIRTY *YEARS* building up for the moment where the Phyrexians would invade... somthing, everyone assumed it would be one or two planes... but the idea of March of the Machine was such a cool and interesting idea. And I am devastated that the Phyrexians lost so pathetically, I would've been fine with this outcome if it had not been for:
A. All of the Oil outside of Phyrexia being Deus Ex Machina'd out of the Multiverse REALLY kills any threat of compleation for everyone exept some poor bastard who was unfortunate enough to not make their way through the portal Wrenn made
B. Having 95% of the important characters that actually, mattered being revived because... reasons...
So as a result really the ONLY threat remaining is the Eldrazi and even then, Kozilek and Ulamog at at *BEST* floating around in the Blind Eternities and at worst completely dead while Emrakul is still sealed in Innestad's moon... so now Wizards has pretty much written themselves into a corner where there's no real big threat anymore... Good Job Wizards! In ONE set, All will be *none important!*
1. I agree the praetors deserved a little more. Maybe another chapter or so to really allow them to really show off and meet their end. Heliod's fight should have also have been expanded on. There are other theros planeswalkers who could have dealt with him or aided Kaya.
2. Norn's death was perfect. Unmade by the father of machines. Excellent.
3. When Ajani showed up, I felt my heart sank. It seemed like this would be the end of him. It put me at ease when he was captured.
Great narration as always. I look forward to your last chapter video.
Who is the angel from the beginning of the video?
What is the name of the closing song?
Holy crap I thought vorinclex would be the hardest to kill but apparently not
Nothing was 😂