I know this is just supposed to be a demo but I'm seriously in LOVE with the first clean sample & the EQ demo clean sample....theyre both soooo relaxing.
You also gotta imagine hearing it in person at bedroom volume. I had that orange amp, high gain sounded really really bad, so did drop tunings. The katana was far better and more versatile for the same price.
@@mobl0x179 as a katana and ex orange user i confirm, the orange was really REALLY bad at distortion, i have the katana 100 and its night and day difference
@@mobl0x179 it also all depends on the context. A good distorted tone doesn't have to be 'full' or super midrange-y to fit in a song. I had to learn it the hard way, since I've got a nice peavey classic tube combo, and the tones that sound rich and huge in the room may sound like garbage in a mix and vice versa.
@@mobl0x179 Does that ten inch speaker not handle bass well? I play in doom metal tunings like C standard. Is the high gain too fuzzy for the genres you play or is it generally bad?
The Orange sounded better to me in this demo, I also like that it's straightforward to use and tweak on the fly. The Katana is very good and ideal for indoors and studio tweaking, where it can do much more than shown here. For band practise and jamming with mates I would choose the Orange. I would love to own either amp tbh.. Thanks for a good no nonsense demo.
I have the 35 rt, the clean channel with the volume anywhere between "6" and "11" is the perfect spot, use the volume on the guitar to go between clean and crunch, dial it in and control the crunch with your pick. Beautiful little amp with the perfect classic rock tone that you can share with the neighbors anytime you want to.
Just depends on what you're doing, if you're small club type thing then it is. If you're outside like a concert in the park or something, then probably not.@@rajikula8085
I also have a 20rt with the foot switch and several different pedals LOL. Here in the next couple of weeks I'll be picking up a 35 rt@@sallgoodman2323
I think they both sound good, although the Orange sounds significantly better. But if I wasn't listening to them side by side I'd have no issue with the sound of the Katana, so in the context of a song I wouldn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. The Katana is a great all in one that has all the effects you could ever need, so if saving some money is the overall goal it comes out front. But cost is not a concern, then Orange would be the way to go.
I actually thought the katana sounded better in many cases. But I'm interested in the fact that the orange is completely analog. If one of the digital chips on your katana dies, there's a good chance it's just going on a landfill, whereas with completely analog, it can likely be fixed by just replacing some components. The orange will probably outlast katana's.
Katana is a cheap solution, but im getting tired of it after 1 year of having it. Yes there are effects and u can have many sounds, but they don't sound the greatest. So its better to have one good solid and expensive amp.
Well, there's the fact that the tone controls actually work on the Kitana. The Orange's Gain knob doesn't do anything until about halfway, and then blows you away with crunch tone. The Orange Clean volume level doesn't rise until it's at 11 o'clock.
I own both of these amps and they both are great.The kat is like a Swiss army knife that does a bit of everything but tonewise the orange sounds quite brilliant for its price.Its gàin stages are very responsive and it has amazing cleans and takes pedals very well.
which one has better tone clarity?i just got my Katana MKII today seems need a bit of Tweaking to satisfy "organic sound" tone i'm looking. Planning to grab the Orange amp too.
My brother and I bought the Katana and the Crush 20, and both of them are such good Amps, good melodies and nice crunch potential... but I am an Orange fan
If you plugged in to an Orange you would immediately see the difference. I see the attraction of the Katana with all the built-in effects and Tone Studio but in the end, it all sounds exactly the same. This little 35RT is so sensitive and responsive It's like night and day to the Katana. It doesn't hide anything. You hear when you touch the strings. It isn't perfect. It's a small closed cab with a 10 inch speaker but it will still move some air.
I have both of these amps and both amps are great for the price value. Can't go wrong either way. I do prefer orange though personally for overall tone. Rock on!!!
Nice demo, you touch all the important points in a thorough demo. Glad you did headphone out also. Dialing in the EQ range is helpful too.Most demos don't include headphone samples.
To me, its rare that one good amp is better than another. Its entirely situational. Both would have their uses in my studio. Actually, they both already do. :)
To be honest: I'm not a fan of the Orange Sound (Not only the Crush 35, Orange overall just isn't my Sound) BUT a few thoughts about Quality of the Sounds in that Video and Overall with Katana and other Modelers: First of all: You did a really great Job here! Very good Sounds! The Orange has its own live, an own personality, sounds real and direct - only a little limited by the Speaker, I think. The Katana isn't bad at all! But it's just like a Cosplay. The Katana isn't a Marshall, isn't an Vox, isn't an Orange...but it tries to do it...and that's where the Personality in nearly each Modeler leaves the Stage. It's more like "A little of everything but nothing real". The next thing is the "Simplicity". Put a Katana (or some other Modelers) in the Room and Everyone should find a Sound (s)he can Use...but after turning knobs and saving the preset, playing ten notes, turning knobs, saving the preset, playing ten notes...and so on, I think you got it. The Orange (or also most other Amps) are: Plug in, turn the Gain where you want it to, play ten notes, optimize a little the EQ and that's it, just have fun without thinking about the Sound. The only Modeling Amps I could use in that way are the most of Line 6...they feel more like an "real" Amp for me...less Options, less knobs, but easier to dial in and having fun. Last but most important for me: The Feeling and directness (is it the correct word?) Playing a Modeler feels like...I play a note, the Amp think about how it should sound and spit it out. Playing an Analog (in my case mostly All-Tube-Amps) is Playing the Note and directly being hit by it. I played Kemper vs Original Amps, I played Digital Plugin Amps (Like Bias FX, Bias Amp, Amp Locker and so many more) also vs the Original Amps. Is there a difference in Sound? If it comes to recording, often nearly no Difference. But when it just comes to Play - doesn't matter if your'e playing on Stage or "in the room" it just felt so much different for me, playing a Modeler/Digital or the "real" Amp. It's nothing you can show on TH-cam, it's something, you just have to try. Some People doesn't feel that or don't being bothered by it, others feel the same, so its nothing that disturbs everyone...but it's one thing, why I always tell my students to TRY the Amp, instead of just watching TH-cam Videos and Buy it online. So what can I say after playing 16 Years? A Modeler is great if you want to try a lots of effects and sounds - and also if you want to record some stuff really quick. But for playing and being creative, I (I can only speak for myself) hate to have to many options. That's the same reason, why I have something around 50 FX Pedals and Using only one...the Wahwah...all the other Stuff comes from the Amp, the Guitar, the Fingers and my brain. It doesn't Matter which Gear you have, if you have one Channel in your Amp or even ten. Learn your Stuff, know your Stuff and be Happy with it! :) If you know your gear well and still being unhappy with it...THAN you should Change...okay and also if your a Nerdy Person like me, who have Tons of Amps just to playing around with it and having fun...but when it comes Back to Recording ,Playing on Stage and so on, there are still my two Main-Amps, and which one I'm using just depends on the Gig...small gigs where I couldn't play loud: Marshall DSL40cr. Gigs where nobody told me to play not that loud: Hughes & Kettner Statesman Dual EL34 on a Marshall 1960 Lead from 1994. Amen - and sorry for that long comment! :D
The feeling thing is so true. I have a helix and play through it more than anything else. I love it. HOWEVER, when I play through either my quilter or my 74 deluxe reverb, I’m like “oh wow THIS is what it’s supposed to feel like”. Same experience with a peavey bandit I played recently. If you don’t need ALL the sounds, a good analog solid state amp can be an amazing thing.
I used to have a Katana 50 mk2 and always felt it sounded very thin. I ended up replacing it with an Orange Crush 20 and even with the little 8" speaker the Orange sounds fuller than the Katana. I just don't need all the crap the Katana has, thats why I built a pedalboard. I just want my amp to have a nice clean and a decent drive that I can set and forget. Orange ticks all my boxes.
I have the 35rt. Maybe it's just the mic but mine has a more organic sound when playing with high gain. I definitely prefer the more natural sound of the orange when it comes to cleans. Definitely has more than enough gain
If you don't want to edit your sound go with the orange. If you have time to play with the boss software go with the katana. I have both but I like the orange better to gig with. Easy to dial and change channels the buttons show you where you are.
I have both of these (well, technically; my Katana is the 100w model), and both are great. I bought the Orange to have something for bedroom practice while I used the Katana for playing with friends. I wasn't expecting to love it so much that I ended up actually pulling it out for playing with friends instead of using the Katana. This works fine, though, as our other guitarist doesn't need to lug his amp and pedals over just to jam. The best part is that the little 35w Orange is loud enough and sounds good enough that I can use it for gigs without any trouble. It's nice to have something I can carry around so easily.
When you started the clean part, it made me think you were about to break out into some crazy Polyphia stuff lol. Just sounded like some riffs they would do.
I agree. And one of the parts to orange clean was a little quieter though so some people might think that the boss is better. Actually not positive. I’m listening to this at six in the morning lol
You can’t use the same settings, digitally processed effects have their own thing they don’t follow electro mechanical laws…it’s software. You have to learn your system to get the sound you are looking for. As an electrical engineer I find processing amps annoying because A does not equal B. Although he used same settings it doesn’t mean much, I’m sure he can find a setting that is equivalent.
@ducktruck-pr8jp depends on what you want to do, which industry and what your long term goals are. In reality companies are more about Profit and lost vs innovation and you are managing Schedule and Budget. If you would like the business side as well a big Tech Corporation would be good. Next is which tech, Gaming, Defense, Automotive, Appliance, High Power find which you would like to start and prepare because some will be more high power or analog/ digital others would be more programming firmware etc..
The difference I believe is in the spears used in each. Orange uses I believe vintage 30's while boss uses their own branded speaker. Now I own the boss katana mk2 100 head and am using it with two Hughes and kettner 1x12's with vintage 30's in them and to my ears they sound so much better than the stock speakers that come in the boss cabinets.
The Orange crush series are the best solid state amps you can buy. I used a 35RT to gig with in a funk /Soul band it sounded great and was plenty loud enough for on stage volume, line out to PA with speaker emulation.
In my headphones the Orange didn't exhibit a wide range of EQ during the clean tones, but showed bigger changes when turning the tone knobs with dirty tones. It sounded good, but not drastically better/different to the Katana and its tonal range.
I have the first generation katana 100. It has that same fizzy sizzle on the top end that's hard to eq out without making it lifeless. I found it was the speaker that I really disliked. I'm currently running it through a Creamback loaded 2x12 and it sounds great. If I was to do it over again, I would definitely get the head and run it through the Creamback cab.
I think the Katana is better for a beginner who is learning about different lead tones and needs a kind of all in one box, or maybe for someone starting out recording music. But the Orange just has more juice and overall just a more authentic sound.
This makes me feel better about letting the sales rep talk me into the Katana. I'm still beginner/intermediate player and was originally looking at the Orange 20RT but he said the MkIII was the best one and I wouldn't be disappointed.
I should have bought the Boss Katana but friends said go tube amp! Happy I bought a Bugera tube amp but I had to buy a ton of pedals to get sound I want. Now I need a practice amp so it is the Orange for me 😁 Great sound test! If you are starting out get a Boss Katana or Fender Mustang no pedals needed. Champion 20 if You don't have room and need quiet or Champion 50 If you want friends to come over to jam.
I have the Boss Katana 100 watt Head Mk 1 version. Did a simple factory reset and NEVER plug it into a computer.....EVER. I do plug it into either an old Marshall 4--12, Vox 2-12, Peavey or a Dime Cabinet. I also use pedals with it. As you can imagine, depending on what cabinet or pedals, it sounds radically different. I love it. Excellent bang for my buck when I don't want to bother with one of my tube amps. BOTH the Orange and Katana are Solid State as far as the Drive or Amp sections are concerned. What IS digital on the Katana is the pedal's and effects modelling, FX loop and pedal footswitching. But the GUTS of both, the "engine under the hood" of BOTH is good old Solid state. I wouldn't mind owning an Orange one day. They also sound great. If you get a deal on a used Boss 100 Watt head MK 1 version, like I did. DO IT. And I am usually "tube guy." I hope that helps, Thanks for listening. Cheers!
@@JungYT You are going to laugh your ass off...I only have a ChromeBook that goes up to Windows 7....Katana needs Windows 10 MINIMUM!!!...Hahaha!!!...I also STILL have a flip phone, listen to vinyl records. Use a 4 Trackk Cassette Recorder, love Tubes and listen to 1980's Music....YUP!! .. I am THAT guy!!!..
@@algrundau9441 Well that makes sense. I’m a bit of a techie, but you should do what pleases you. I have a POD Go hooked up to powered monitors, but I am seriously thinking about the orange.
@@JungYT Oh, I am NOT a techie...I wish I was. I FINALLY got into computers around 2020 when Covid hit. I am 54 years old so I have been resisting for a long time...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!...hahaha...BUT, it does show that even without a computer, the Katana can be very useful. The only thing I wish they did was have the Noise Gate accessible from the top panel..They FORCE you to deep dive with a computer to get at it....Aaaargh!!!...So I just use a Noise gate pedal. Problem solved. As far as the Orange. I really liked the Orange Crush CR100 Head. Just by itself it sounded great. I was also plugging it into various cabinets (not all Orange cabs) and using different Overdrives, Fuzzes ect. Very cool. ...Of course it comes down to what kind of music you play? WHERE do you play? What does the rest of the band use? Does it sit well in the mix? How many different sounds do you need? But certainly Orange Crush will give you a lot of good things......and you don't have to worry about Tubes....OR COMPUTERS!!!!...Hahaha...Cheers and Good luck.
The Katana just sounds ‘thinner’ to me - and I’d guess that with being digital, it has ‘sampling roll-off’ while the Orange being analogue doesn’t have any issues like that. Anyway - I’ve just bought the 20RT and can’t believe how loud the damned beastie is; it kicked my friends 50w acoustic amp right off the reservation - and I’ll be using it in public later this week! Actually I have the clean volume on 4 and that seems to match his acoustic quite nicely! I’ve dreamed of owning an Orange amp since 1978, in Liverpool!, and now I do - and it’s great!
Oh i googled now: " BOSS katana a solid state amp? BOSS Katana amps are solid state amps that feature digital sound effects. Huge scandal by you. Can you do better next time?
@@svenzia As soon as you put a digital section in the signal chain, anything following that becomes compromised. No matter how good the power stages are… they’ll be amplifying a digitally sampled signal - even after it’s gone back through a DAC - it’s still a compromised signal - no matter how good the DAC is…. Anyway - at my age, my hearing isn’t as good as it once was - so modern sampling systems are possibly good enough for me - but the physics doesn’t change!
@@rebeccaabraham8652 Hey, yes i know, and you are right ofc. Hihi, no need for you to do better next time, but i wanted a good explanation from a better explainer than me. Hurrah for Rebecca. Cheers, also getting old btw. Have a great evening. Oh, i have never played the Katana or the Crush but they sound fine imo. Kind regards from Stockholm, Sweden 😃😃
The BOSS Roland cleans and the Orange gain, I think if you recorded with both amps it would be the best combination for where the tonal sweet spots are for both amps. Very interesting comparison. Thank you.
For the record, the Katana is an all Analog amp with digital effects. I was looking into the Crush series and I was torn between that and the Katana for a while. I ended up going with the Katana Artist MKii for a few reasons. The upgraded speaker (which isn’t hard-wired so you can use it at a 1x12” cab for your other amps) and the line out where I can bypass the built in Cab Sim to record direct with 3rd party IR’s. The next amp I would plan to get is the Crush 100 head and plug it through the Katana’s speaker. I think they’re both excellent, but you obviously have to spend some time with the Katana, and have a decent understanding of EQ and how to run a solid signal chain, to really make it shine. That, and the speaker in the regular Katana’s is just too scooped for my taste. The Waza speaker adds more midrange and really makes the difference in your tone.
@@Ryan-vu5mm It's an Analog amp, meaning it's not a digital re-creation of another amp. It has an entirely analog signal path, and then adds digital effects on top of that. The Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister Deluxe 40 is the same sort of thing, except it's an all tube amp that has digital effects and tons of presets.
@@hanktteotd It goes through dsp. It doesn't have to be a digital "recreation of another amp". sending the output of dsp through a power amp doesn't make it an analog amp.
Both sounds great i domt know what people are talking about.. this is raw sound and its how they are supposed to sound n they both are doing just fine raw sound.. lovely video
I've been struggling to get the same Katana amp to sound right since I got it shortly after it's release. I always thought I was doing something wrong or even other peoples' presets were done with a different speaker or something, but it turns out the "there's a wall between me and the amp" sound is actually just the nature of the amp. Selling my Katana, then going shopping for an amp I'll actually like lol
I’ve got the Orange Crush Pro120W and the orange’s gain structure is just fantastic. It must make a really naturally spiky sound because the frequency of distortion is seemingly low. It sounds just so huge and warm and thick.
Personally I think the Boss has a way clearer sound on cleans but it’s undeniable the the Orange has better gain sounds. I mostly play in clean/edge of breakup sounds so I’m happy with my MKII100
i have the katana mk2 100w head and i just love it, sounds even better than some tube amps to me and its much more popular and higher ratet than the orange but i`m also sure that you can never get wrong with an orange amp at all 😎
I’ve tried the boss katana headphone output, and I actually like the tone you get out of it. It actually sounds like a guitar speaker rather than a distorted DI track.
The Orange has more low mids, makes it sound fuller. Anyways hard to say which amp is better, think you could get some good sounds out of the Katana if you tweek it a bit
The Orange has more prominent mid range. This might be good or bad depending on your opinion. Actually, if the back of the cabinet is closed, that would make it sound more boxy.
Since my post below, I've bought a Katana 100. Initially I was disappointed after reading all the hype, and as I'm still in the return period was thinking of returning it. BUT that was premature and before I started fiddling with Tone Studio. You can adjust everything and there is a massive range of effects available, all of which can be saved to presets. I compared the on-board Rat pedal with my real Rat and they sound so similar that I can now sell my Rat pedal and get some money back. You can really shape the sound to what you want, though you need to put the time into it initially. But once you've saved some settings that you like, it's then a grab and go with no more twiddling. I'm sure that the Orange sound could be recreated on the Katana. Plus there's loads of support videos (eg Studio Rats) and hardware such as the GA-FC pedal, and it has an easily accessible FX loop (it's under the chassis on the CR60) and has the 0.5W setting which makes it easy to tweak volume at bedroom levels. It's definitely growing on me and becoming a bit of an obsession. Lessons: 1) don't judge a Katana based on the factory settings 2) use Tone Studio to adjust it to your preferences 3) ignore the crunch/lead/brown channels and stick with the clean channel, adding on board dirt and other pedals as required.
I've tried both of these amps at a music store. Orange Crush 35RT is just plug and play, hard to get a bad sound out of it to my ears, I like the mid-focused sound. The Boss was very noisy and the low to mid-gain distortion lacked dynamics compared to the Orange. I thought the built-in effects on the Boss Katana were pretty good though. I have a Vox VT40x. I'd say it sits somewhere between these two. I only use maybe 3 of the amp models, but they have good dynamics. It's noisier than the Orange but quieter than the Katana. It has some built in effects that range from good to disappointing. It has an app for editing that I've never bothered using. Headphone out is alright. I'm thinking about replacing it with the Orange Crush 35RT now that I own some effects pedals.
They both sounded fine. It's a preference really. I have the Crush 12 PiX and I prefer my Fender Mustang I V2 to it. Not really a fair comparison though. 12W vs 20W The Fender has a Orange Custom sim, Orange does Orange better, but across what features the Mustang I V2 has, the Orange is a niche amp after it's all said & done. From other's comments. Orange is a love/hate thing. With Orange, there's also Marshall & Vox as British tone/sound. And the Mustang I V2 has those other British sound amps.
Had both and a blackstar silverline and sold them all because I always preferred the sound of my old Marshall 50DFX. The Katana mk2 100 was my least Favourite, that went after a month. The crush 35 lasted a few months, the silverline lasted 6 months. The Marshall 50DFX has lasted over 12 years. Everyone eventually finds their own sound, mines has always been Marshall. I would advise anyone who is looking at buying an amp to take your guitar with you to a shop. Line up the amps you fancy and have a good play on all of them.
I own the crush 12, and what I love about it is that it has the feel of a 100 watts tube amplifier cranked doing that sag thing you feel under your finger tips. Not sure people in the audience would care which of these two amplifiers you use, but I would use the crush. Curious how loud the 35RT can get for gigging. I guess my 12 would be fine mic’d - but you would have to rely on wedges or in-ears.
I mean, the Katana is designed to work with the Tone Studio. If you spent a few mins on it, you'd be able to get the Katana to sound like anything you want. This is just raw, everything is at 12 o'clock sound. The Orange is a plug in and play type amp, the Katana is made to tweak the hell out of.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 Agreed. Katana wins by default simply because of Tone Studio. You can get pretty much any tone you want! I think the high gain is way better on the Katana, too.
can hear the orange has cleaner more present attack (bell like) on cleans. But the kat seems more flexible (if a little thinner), but you could probably tweak it a bit. prefer the orange overall, with the exception of high gain where kat seems better (oddly, since it's meant to be orange's thing).
Tengo el boss katana mkII 50 y puedo dercir que es un amplificador que sonara mucho pero muchisimo mejor si se le pone presets o establecer el booster como distorsion/overdrive principal, al principio me decepcione que sonara algo digital su distorsion y los limpios pero usando su interfaz de configuracion realmente se puede hacer maravillas con este amplificador hasta el punto que ya no considero comprarme el orange
Probably what you'd expect... Orange has pronounced mids and its signature growl, and tones that could be usable across a slew of genres.. katana sounds *very* thin, even if not overly processed... The best tone you can get out of it would only find its home in some modern punk rock, but there's plenty of settings on it which sound jarring and unpleasant.... Crush beats Katana overall.. but to say analog beats digital *always* feels like falling into a classic trap...
That's because main distortion pedal should be used through "Booster", not through pure gain. I tune all the way to Drop F and D#1, and it sounds absolutely growling and crushing there. You just have to understand what EQ-ing is, to make a good tone out of it.
Katana has more lows, sort of like listening to a stereo. the orange is definitely the best sounding. but the katana is no slouch. I would like to hear the orange with a 12 inch speaker. great comparison.
I went with the Katana because i found it half price used and it's a great speaker for amp and cab sims since it has a poweramp in port. I personally would not be caught using the actual amp tones on either of these units for the really high gain stuff I play.
I actually just sold my katana MK2. It made the general tone of my guitars just sound… muddy, and it gave this overall underwater sound and there was just not much I could do about it after so long. It was great when I wanted a bunch of different effects starting out and I didn’t have any pedals but playing clean through the katana vs even an orange crush 12 there was a huge difference and my 12 sounded so much better that my katana collected dust. I use the 35RT now. I’m not saying the katana is a terrible amp, but it’s decent at a lot of things but not great at anything. The analog amps are going to be great at a few things but lack the versatility of all the digital bells and whistles. As you grow with your guitar journey so will your taste and recognition of good tones and you’ll find what you love.
I relly should get my dirt channel fixed on the crush... bit of a contact issue in the pot since i broke the knob... my repair was of limited sucess as it sounds like a fuzz now😅😂
Fantastic review bro. It has inspired me to dust off my Orange 35R tbh. I guess I haven't played it in awhile mostly cause I have since purchased a few other smaller amps which cause of where I am and mostly when I play have been using them. But yeah my Orange is definitely gonna get plugged in and turned up!
I feel there's a lot more fiddling with the effects and eq on the Boss that could get you to all the places where the Orange sounds better. I just bought my son a mono price $120-delivered 5W 6v6 based 8" combo. A few $25 amazon pedals gets me to a better place than either of these. I mainly play around on my 5W Gibson el84 based reissue. 38W Boogie and 60W Crate tube amps are just too much off-stage. You have to start somewhere and we learn more about what we want as we go and for that, either of these are nice options. I don't see why all these amps don't have a built-in tuner, these days. I've got an Orange Micro Crush and a Bass Crush 100. Both have them.
I find something to like out of almost any amp. SS and digital are great IMO since i live in a region which trades climates with planet Venus 8 months out of the year (Texas), and beating the heat is an endeavor which really does border on the desperate, lol. Tube amps double as space heaters during the 11-minute winters. Happily, SS "arrived" approx 20ish years ago with the advent of the Peavey Transvestube series. Others quickly aped the formula; I have a B-52 100-watt brain among other things, and in the context of my lousy mixes, it's never just super obvious it's a SS amp. And VSTs such as Amp Room, Overloud etc are just perfect for when it's 2am, and I could possibly earn more blood enemies, namely my neighbors, if i were to fire up my 150-watt Bugera Dollar General Plexi remake thru my Marshall AVT series (a "cheap" line, but it sounds great, very luckily) 4x12, lol.
My cousin left this amp here for practice. I definitely like it way better than the Katana and my fender champion xl for distortion. For clean, I love the Fender Champion 50XL though. That low end is awesome.
The cleans on the Crush almost made me cry. The same part played through the Boss just didn't make me "feel it". The overdriven Orange tone was great too. It sounded passionate while the Boss merely sounded crunchy. The tones in this Orange somehow just seem to have a lot of heart.
I like the Vox VT40X, it has the best of both worlds, it has a valve pre amp and modeling, the difference between it and the Katana is like night and day, the saturation and dynamics are great on the Vox, I ordered both the Vox and the Katana amp and ended up sending the Katana back, the only thing I don't like is it doesn't have an effects loop, I get around this by using my overdrive and distortion pedals that are not available on the amps modelling in front of the amp and use the modulation effects on the amp.
In cleans, definitely Orange is sweet and sharp.... but in High Gain, Katana has more bass and does not pierce the ears... Orange sounds shrill in high gain
I just bought the Katana III so going to have to be happy with it, I think it did sound a bit better in the high gain comparison, those cleans on the orange are much better though. Sales rep talked me into the Katana, was originally looking at the Orange 20RT. Lets hope it makes me sound better regardless over the Crate GX-15 😂
If you use the EQ and the residence controls on the Boss Katana it would sound closer to the orange , But a tube amp has a much wider frequency band then a solid state amp . A tube amp will always sound fuller . That's just the nature of tubes . Me personally The lighter weight and all the bells and whistles . I Will always choose the Boss Katana. Close is good enough . Unless you're doing a side by side comparison no one's going to notice .
What I noticed is that the knob settings on both amps are at noon. Expecting two completely different amps to sound similar is ridiculous at best. A better way to show the two amps would be the set the Orange to a tone. Say, everything at noon and then adjust the other amp as needed, in this case the Katana to sound as close as possible.
As someone who owns the super crush 100, if you want a certain tone go for the orange. However if you want a really good range of sounds and fx then it's really a no brainer to pick a katana.
@@Dram1984 completely agree. Until you find a sound that you really like modellers are great, but yeah once you try a proper Marshall or fender and such it's really hard to go back and enjoy a modelling amp.
I think the Katana would probably sound more full in person and possibly more pleasing to the ear when practicing alone, but the Crush would sit WAY better in a full band. It has a more present, upfront sound. It would cut through and sit perfectly on top of a bass. The Katana would get lost and muddy.
I own both and the orange is better in a band and while alone.The kat is fun but the 35rt is amazing.i got it for super heavy styles but it does great cleans also.
@@craighamboi am looking to get a new amp and I am not sure yet which one of these two i am going to get. I wanted to get the orange crush 35rt but someone said i should get the katana instead. I just think dowloading presets and all looks like a hassle. I am also mostly interested in heavier styles like metal btw
@@FL0RIS0 you will be fine with either,the orange has way better cleans and has a 4 stage gain which is amazing for heavier music and also a built in reverb and tuner as well as an effects loop.the katana is also pretty good and when paired with the app you have heaps of distortions,delays,overdrives and mods.if you want the simpler option go for the orange as it is straight plug and play and sounds brilliant.
The Orange sounds amazing honestly, and it's a simple plug and play amp which I'm a big fan of. The Katana is remarkable but it's more work. You could probably get it to sound extremely similar to the Orange or anything else but it takes a fair amount of work in Tone Studio. Amps are basically only differentiated by their EQ, so as long as you can tweak that heavily you can get any sound you want (watch Jim Lill's amp video to see him ultimately manage to make a homemade box that sounds just like some of the most famous and desired amps in history). A good Katana example is LambChopper, who manages to get a Katana to sound uncannily like famous metal tones on records generally by using three different EQs in Tone Studio.
I know this is just supposed to be a demo but I'm seriously in LOVE with the first clean sample & the EQ demo clean sample....theyre both soooo relaxing.
I didn't expect such a drastic difference. The orange just sounds so much more "there".
Clean, the orange sounds fuller than the katana.
Overdriven, the Katana sounds kinda digitaly. Not as natural sounding od sound as the orange.
You also gotta imagine hearing it in person at bedroom volume. I had that orange amp, high gain sounded really really bad, so did drop tunings. The katana was far better and more versatile for the same price.
@@mobl0x179 as a katana and ex orange user i confirm, the orange was really REALLY bad at distortion, i have the katana 100 and its night and day difference
@@mobl0x179 it also all depends on the context. A good distorted tone doesn't have to be 'full' or super midrange-y to fit in a song. I had to learn it the hard way, since I've got a nice peavey classic tube combo, and the tones that sound rich and huge in the room may sound like garbage in a mix and vice versa.
@@mobl0x179 Does that ten inch speaker not handle bass well? I play in doom metal tunings like C standard. Is the high gain too fuzzy for the genres you play or is it generally bad?
The Orange sounded better to me in this demo, I also like that it's straightforward to use and tweak on the fly.
The Katana is very good and ideal for indoors and studio tweaking, where it can do much more than shown here.
For band practise and jamming with mates I would choose the Orange. I would love to own either amp tbh..
Thanks for a good no nonsense demo.
i agree
Orange
Orange 35rt use it with full band loud enough no mics of by the way
@@luissantiago7772She's definitely loud that's for sure!🤘
I have the 35 rt, the clean channel with the volume anywhere between "6" and "11" is the perfect spot, use the volume on the guitar to go between clean and crunch, dial it in and control the crunch with your pick. Beautiful little amp with the perfect classic rock tone that you can share with the neighbors anytime you want to.
Is it loud enough for gigging?
Just depends on what you're doing, if you're small club type thing then it is. If you're outside like a concert in the park or something, then probably not.@@rajikula8085
@@rajikula8085Small gigs yess 35rt or bigger. I use this 35rt with full band playing metal NO MICS OF COURSE sounds loud enough
And this is why orange has been my amp of choice for years
I recently bought a 20RT. Footswitch, rat pedal erc. It's got me hooked on the versatility of tone which makes playing any genre possible.
I also have a 20rt with the foot switch and several different pedals LOL. Here in the next couple of weeks I'll be picking up a 35 rt@@sallgoodman2323
I bought the Orange as a practice amp and its become the one I gig out with. Loud af, sounds great mic'd up and takes my pedals really well.
Agree i have it
Is this loud enough in a small bar gig? Without mic?
@@Justkeepplaying7248I've gigged in a small bar with the Orange. It holds up just fine. Mic it, and it's even better.
same here.
@@Justkeepplaying7248
Yes its very loud.
Ive played around 50 pub gigs with mine. Its fantastic..!!
I think they both sound good, although the Orange sounds significantly better. But if I wasn't listening to them side by side I'd have no issue with the sound of the Katana, so in the context of a song I wouldn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. The Katana is a great all in one that has all the effects you could ever need, so if saving some money is the overall goal it comes out front. But cost is not a concern, then Orange would be the way to go.
I actually thought the katana sounded better in many cases. But I'm interested in the fact that the orange is completely analog. If one of the digital chips on your katana dies, there's a good chance it's just going on a landfill, whereas with completely analog, it can likely be fixed by just replacing some components. The orange will probably outlast katana's.
Katana is a cheap solution, but im getting tired of it after 1 year of having it. Yes there are effects and u can have many sounds, but they don't sound the greatest. So its better to have one good solid and expensive amp.
@@MetalGodOfLegendare you using the eqs in the tone studio becuase eq in the tone studio is the key
@@rayedsamdani2478 i am using the tone studio, but still doesnt change much.
Thanks for this simple no waffling video
Well, there's the fact that the tone controls actually work on the Kitana. The Orange's Gain knob doesn't do anything until about halfway, and then blows you away with crunch tone. The Orange Clean volume level doesn't rise until it's at 11 o'clock.
Yeah orange amps r trash
what a complete demo! really enjoyed watching this and listening to your playing!
Best solid state room amp is Orange Crush, period.
In production as the best ever is vox escort lead from early eighties
I own both of these amps and they both are great.The kat is like a Swiss army knife that does a bit of everything but tonewise the orange sounds quite brilliant for its price.Its gàin stages are very responsive and it has amazing cleans and takes pedals very well.
which one has better tone clarity?i just got my Katana MKII today seems need a bit of Tweaking to satisfy "organic sound" tone i'm looking. Planning to grab the Orange amp too.
@雪隠 you can tweak the katana in the librarian(try global eq) but the orange has better cleans for my taste.
My brother and I bought the Katana and the Crush 20, and both of them are such good Amps, good melodies and nice crunch potential... but I am an Orange fan
If you plugged in to an Orange you would immediately see the difference. I see the attraction of the Katana with all the built-in effects and Tone Studio but in the end, it all sounds exactly the same. This little 35RT is so sensitive and responsive It's like night and day to the Katana. It doesn't hide anything. You hear when you touch the strings. It isn't perfect. It's a small closed cab with a 10 inch speaker but it will still move some air.
The ORANGE Baby!!! The clarity and detail of sound is amazing!!!
The comparison I've been waiting for. The orange sounds more alive in everything except for the headphone out.
I have both of these amps and both amps are great for the price value. Can't go wrong either way. I do prefer orange though personally for overall tone. Rock on!!!
Nice demo, you touch all the important points in a thorough demo. Glad you did headphone out also. Dialing in the EQ range is helpful too.Most demos don't include headphone samples.
I’m glad I watched this, the orange sounds better for lack of better words.
To me, its rare that one good amp is better than another. Its entirely situational. Both would have their uses in my studio. Actually, they both already do. :)
To be honest: I'm not a fan of the Orange Sound (Not only the Crush 35, Orange overall just isn't my Sound) BUT a few thoughts about Quality of the Sounds in that Video and Overall with Katana and other Modelers:
First of all: You did a really great Job here! Very good Sounds!
The Orange has its own live, an own personality, sounds real and direct - only a little limited by the Speaker, I think.
The Katana isn't bad at all! But it's just like a Cosplay. The Katana isn't a Marshall, isn't an Vox, isn't an Orange...but it tries to do it...and that's where the Personality in nearly each Modeler leaves the Stage. It's more like "A little of everything but nothing real".
The next thing is the "Simplicity".
Put a Katana (or some other Modelers) in the Room and Everyone should find a Sound (s)he can Use...but after turning knobs and saving the preset, playing ten notes, turning knobs, saving the preset, playing ten notes...and so on, I think you got it.
The Orange (or also most other Amps) are: Plug in, turn the Gain where you want it to, play ten notes, optimize a little the EQ and that's it, just have fun without thinking about the Sound.
The only Modeling Amps I could use in that way are the most of Line 6...they feel more like an "real" Amp for me...less Options, less knobs, but easier to dial in and having fun.
Last but most important for me: The Feeling and directness (is it the correct word?)
Playing a Modeler feels like...I play a note, the Amp think about how it should sound and spit it out.
Playing an Analog (in my case mostly All-Tube-Amps) is Playing the Note and directly being hit by it.
I played Kemper vs Original Amps, I played Digital Plugin Amps (Like Bias FX, Bias Amp, Amp Locker and so many more) also vs the Original Amps. Is there a difference in Sound? If it comes to recording, often nearly no Difference.
But when it just comes to Play - doesn't matter if your'e playing on Stage or "in the room" it just felt so much different for me, playing a Modeler/Digital or the "real" Amp. It's nothing you can show on TH-cam, it's something, you just have to try. Some People doesn't feel that or don't being bothered by it, others feel the same, so its nothing that disturbs everyone...but it's one thing, why I always tell my students to TRY the Amp, instead of just watching TH-cam Videos and Buy it online.
So what can I say after playing 16 Years?
A Modeler is great if you want to try a lots of effects and sounds - and also if you want to record some stuff really quick.
But for playing and being creative, I (I can only speak for myself) hate to have to many options. That's the same reason, why I have something around 50 FX Pedals and Using only one...the Wahwah...all the other Stuff comes from the Amp, the Guitar, the Fingers and my brain.
It doesn't Matter which Gear you have, if you have one Channel in your Amp or even ten. Learn your Stuff, know your Stuff and be Happy with it! :)
If you know your gear well and still being unhappy with it...THAN you should Change...okay and also if your a Nerdy Person like me, who have Tons of Amps just to playing around with it and having fun...but when it comes Back to Recording ,Playing on Stage and so on, there are still my two Main-Amps, and which one I'm using just depends on the Gig...small gigs where I couldn't play loud: Marshall DSL40cr. Gigs where nobody told me to play not that loud: Hughes & Kettner Statesman Dual EL34 on a Marshall 1960 Lead from 1994.
Amen - and sorry for that long comment! :D
The feeling thing is so true. I have a helix and play through it more than anything else. I love it. HOWEVER, when I play through either my quilter or my 74 deluxe reverb, I’m like “oh wow THIS is what it’s supposed to feel like”. Same experience with a peavey bandit I played recently. If you don’t need ALL the sounds, a good analog solid state amp can be an amazing thing.
I used to have a Katana 50 mk2 and always felt it sounded very thin. I ended up replacing it with an Orange Crush 20 and even with the little 8" speaker the Orange sounds fuller than the Katana. I just don't need all the crap the Katana has, thats why I built a pedalboard. I just want my amp to have a nice clean and a decent drive that I can set and forget. Orange ticks all my boxes.
I have the 35rt. Maybe it's just the mic but mine has a more organic sound when playing with high gain. I definitely prefer the more natural sound of the orange when it comes to cleans. Definitely has more than enough gain
If you don't want to edit your sound go with the orange. If you have time to play with the boss software go with the katana. I have both but I like the orange better to gig with. Easy to dial and change channels the buttons show you where you are.
I have both of these (well, technically; my Katana is the 100w model), and both are great. I bought the Orange to have something for bedroom practice while I used the Katana for playing with friends. I wasn't expecting to love it so much that I ended up actually pulling it out for playing with friends instead of using the Katana. This works fine, though, as our other guitarist doesn't need to lug his amp and pedals over just to jam. The best part is that the little 35w Orange is loud enough and sounds good enough that I can use it for gigs without any trouble. It's nice to have something I can carry around so easily.
The 1st 30 seconds in and I was blown away by the nuances in comparison to each other. Thanks for this.
Clean for Katana, overdrive for Orange. Both nice amps. Thanks for the demo. Good info.
One sounds like an amp, the other sounds like a processor. But neither sound bad. The orange is just better.
Wow, that Orange sounded amazing on clean. I usually only play on distortion but I might start noodling on clean
When you started the clean part, it made me think you were about to break out into some crazy Polyphia stuff lol. Just sounded like some riffs they would do.
The Orange sounds better in every single instance ! No comparison !
I agree. And one of the parts to orange clean was a little quieter though so some people might think that the boss is better. Actually not positive. I’m listening to this at six in the morning lol
You can’t use the same settings, digitally processed effects have their own thing they don’t follow electro mechanical laws…it’s software. You have to learn your system to get the sound you are looking for. As an electrical engineer I find processing amps annoying because A does not equal B. Although he used same settings it doesn’t mean much, I’m sure he can find a setting that is equivalent.
@ducktruck-pr8jp depends on what you want to do, which industry and what your long term goals are. In reality companies are more about Profit and lost vs innovation and you are managing Schedule and Budget. If you would like the business side as well a big Tech Corporation would be good. Next is which tech, Gaming, Defense, Automotive, Appliance, High Power find which you would like to start and prepare because some will be more high power or analog/ digital others would be more programming firmware etc..
AND it's solid state.
I one thousand percent prefer the Katanas clean sound over the orange.
The difference I believe is in the spears used in each. Orange uses I believe vintage 30's while boss uses their own branded speaker. Now I own the boss katana mk2 100 head and am using it with two Hughes and kettner 1x12's with vintage 30's in them and to my ears they sound so much better than the stock speakers that come in the boss cabinets.
Yeah my thought as well, he should plug the Katana in to the Orange's speaker, would probably be a lot closer
The Orange crush series are the best solid state amps you can buy. I used a 35RT to gig with in a funk /Soul band it sounded great and was plenty loud enough for on stage volume, line out to PA with speaker emulation.
Very thorough comparison of tones between Crush 35RT and Kat 50 Mk2!
In my headphones the Orange didn't exhibit a wide range of EQ during the clean tones, but showed bigger changes when turning the tone knobs with dirty tones. It sounded good, but not drastically better/different to the Katana and its tonal range.
I have the first generation katana 100. It has that same fizzy sizzle on the top end that's hard to eq out without making it lifeless. I found it was the speaker that I really disliked. I'm currently running it through a Creamback loaded 2x12 and it sounds great. If I was to do it over again, I would definitely get the head and run it through the Creamback cab.
Yep, the speaker no doubt makes a huge difference.
Thank you for the comparison! I have the 35RT all I need now is the Boss GT1...
I think the Katana is better for a beginner who is learning about different lead tones and needs a kind of all in one box, or maybe for someone starting out recording music. But the Orange just has more juice and overall just a more authentic sound.
This makes me feel better about letting the sales rep talk me into the Katana. I'm still beginner/intermediate player and was originally looking at the Orange 20RT but he said the MkIII was the best one and I wouldn't be disappointed.
I am very glad that at one time I did not buy either one or the other, but bought a tube ))
I should have bought the Boss Katana but friends said go tube amp! Happy I bought a Bugera tube amp but I had to buy a ton of pedals to get sound I want.
Now I need a practice amp so it is the Orange for me 😁 Great sound test!
If you are starting out get a Boss Katana or Fender Mustang no pedals needed.
Champion 20 if You don't have room and need quiet or Champion 50 If you want friends to come over to jam.
You play so good bro, keep it up. I also very like those videos you make, it helps lots of people!
I have the Boss Katana 100 watt Head Mk 1 version. Did a simple factory reset and NEVER plug it into a computer.....EVER. I do plug it into either an old Marshall 4--12, Vox 2-12, Peavey or a Dime Cabinet.
I also use pedals with it. As you can imagine, depending on what cabinet or pedals, it sounds radically different.
I love it. Excellent bang for my buck when I don't want to bother with one of my tube amps. BOTH the Orange and Katana are Solid State as far as the Drive or Amp sections are concerned.
What IS digital on the Katana is the pedal's and effects modelling, FX loop and pedal footswitching.
But the GUTS of both, the "engine under the hood" of BOTH is good old Solid state.
I wouldn't mind owning an Orange one day. They also sound great.
If you get a deal on a used Boss 100 Watt head MK 1 version, like I did. DO IT. And I am usually "tube guy."
I hope that helps, Thanks for listening. Cheers!
Why won't you plug it in to a computer?
@@JungYT You are going to laugh your ass off...I only have a ChromeBook that goes up to Windows 7....Katana needs Windows 10 MINIMUM!!!...Hahaha!!!...I also STILL have a flip phone, listen to vinyl records. Use a 4 Trackk Cassette Recorder, love Tubes and listen to 1980's Music....YUP!! .. I am THAT guy!!!..
@@algrundau9441 Well that makes sense. I’m a bit of a techie, but you should do what pleases you. I have a POD Go hooked up to powered monitors, but I am seriously thinking about the orange.
@@JungYT Oh, I am NOT a techie...I wish I was. I FINALLY got into computers around 2020 when Covid hit.
I am 54 years old so I have been resisting for a long time...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!...hahaha...BUT, it does show that even without a computer, the Katana can be very useful. The only thing I wish they did was have the Noise Gate accessible from the top panel..They FORCE you to deep dive with a computer to get at it....Aaaargh!!!...So I just use a Noise gate pedal. Problem solved.
As far as the Orange. I really liked the Orange Crush CR100 Head. Just by itself it sounded great. I was also plugging it into various cabinets (not all Orange cabs) and using different Overdrives, Fuzzes ect.
Very cool.
...Of course it comes down to what kind of music you play? WHERE do you play? What does the rest of the band use? Does it sit well in the mix? How many different sounds do you need?
But certainly Orange Crush will give you a lot of good things......and you don't have to worry about Tubes....OR COMPUTERS!!!!...Hahaha...Cheers and Good luck.
The Katana just sounds ‘thinner’ to me - and I’d guess that with being digital, it has ‘sampling roll-off’ while the Orange being analogue doesn’t have any issues like that. Anyway - I’ve just bought the 20RT and can’t believe how loud the damned beastie is; it kicked my friends 50w acoustic amp right off the reservation - and I’ll be using it in public later this week! Actually I have the clean volume on 4 and that seems to match his acoustic quite nicely! I’ve dreamed of owning an Orange amp since 1978, in Liverpool!, and now I do - and it’s great!
Katana digital? Ohhh
Oh i googled now: " BOSS katana a solid state amp?
BOSS Katana amps are solid state amps that feature digital sound effects. Huge scandal by you. Can you do better next time?
@@svenzia As soon as you put a digital section in the signal chain, anything following that becomes compromised. No matter how good the power stages are… they’ll be amplifying a digitally sampled signal - even after it’s gone back through a DAC - it’s still a compromised signal - no matter how good the DAC is…. Anyway - at my age, my hearing isn’t as good as it once was - so modern sampling systems are possibly good enough for me - but the physics doesn’t change!
@@rebeccaabraham8652 Hey, yes i know, and you are right ofc. Hihi, no need for you to do better next time, but i wanted a good explanation from a better explainer than me. Hurrah for Rebecca. Cheers, also getting old btw. Have a great evening. Oh, i have never played the Katana or the Crush but they sound fine imo. Kind regards from Stockholm, Sweden 😃😃
that clean phrase was some gorgeous playing!
The BOSS Roland cleans and the Orange gain, I think if you recorded with both amps it would be the best combination for where the tonal sweet spots are for both amps.
Very interesting comparison. Thank you.
For the record, the Katana is an all Analog amp with digital effects. I was looking into the Crush series and I was torn between that and the Katana for a while. I ended up going with the Katana Artist MKii for a few reasons. The upgraded speaker (which isn’t hard-wired so you can use it at a 1x12” cab for your other amps) and the line out where I can bypass the built in Cab Sim to record direct with 3rd party IR’s. The next amp I would plan to get is the Crush 100 head and plug it through the Katana’s speaker. I think they’re both excellent, but you obviously have to spend some time with the Katana, and have a decent understanding of EQ and how to run a solid signal chain, to really make it shine. That, and the speaker in the regular Katana’s is just too scooped for my taste. The Waza speaker adds more midrange and really makes the difference in your tone.
The first part of your comment doesn't make sense to me.
@@Ryan-vu5mm It's an Analog amp, meaning it's not a digital re-creation of another amp. It has an entirely analog signal path, and then adds digital effects on top of that. The Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister Deluxe 40 is the same sort of thing, except it's an all tube amp that has digital effects and tons of presets.
@@hanktteotd It goes through dsp. It doesn't have to be a digital "recreation of another amp". sending the output of dsp through a power amp doesn't make it an analog amp.
Both sounds great i domt know what people are talking about.. this is raw sound and its how they are supposed to sound n they both are doing just fine raw sound.. lovely video
I've been struggling to get the same Katana amp to sound right since I got it shortly after it's release. I always thought I was doing something wrong or even other peoples' presets were done with a different speaker or something, but it turns out the "there's a wall between me and the amp" sound is actually just the nature of the amp. Selling my Katana, then going shopping for an amp I'll actually like lol
I am looking to own a Boss Katana, but still the orange here sounds way better in my opinion.
I’ve got the Orange Crush Pro120W and the orange’s gain structure is just fantastic. It must make a really naturally spiky sound because the frequency of distortion is seemingly low. It sounds just so huge and warm and thick.
Personally I think the Boss has a way clearer sound on cleans but it’s undeniable the the Orange has better gain sounds. I mostly play in clean/edge of breakup sounds so I’m happy with my MKII100
i have the katana mk2 100w head and i just love it, sounds even better than some tube amps to me and its much more popular and higher ratet than the orange but i`m also sure that you can never get wrong with an orange amp at all 😎
Sir should I get a charvel dk24 hh or prs se paul's guitar?
I’ve tried the boss katana headphone output, and I actually like the tone you get out of it. It actually sounds like a guitar speaker rather than a distorted DI track.
The Orange has more low mids, makes it sound fuller. Anyways hard to say which amp is better, think you could get some good sounds out of the Katana if you tweek it a bit
The Orange has more prominent mid range. This might be good or bad depending on your opinion.
Actually, if the back of the cabinet is closed, that would make it sound more boxy.
Since my post below, I've bought a Katana 100. Initially I was disappointed after reading all the hype, and as I'm still in the return period was thinking of returning it. BUT that was premature and before I started fiddling with Tone Studio. You can adjust everything and there is a massive range of effects available, all of which can be saved to presets. I compared the on-board Rat pedal with my real Rat and they sound so similar that I can now sell my Rat pedal and get some money back. You can really shape the sound to what you want, though you need to put the time into it initially. But once you've saved some settings that you like, it's then a grab and go with no more twiddling. I'm sure that the Orange sound could be recreated on the Katana. Plus there's loads of support videos (eg Studio Rats) and hardware such as the GA-FC pedal, and it has an easily accessible FX loop (it's under the chassis on the CR60) and has the 0.5W setting which makes it easy to tweak volume at bedroom levels. It's definitely growing on me and becoming a bit of an obsession. Lessons: 1) don't judge a Katana based on the factory settings 2) use Tone Studio to adjust it to your preferences 3) ignore the crunch/lead/brown channels and stick with the clean channel, adding on board dirt and other pedals as required.
I've tried both of these amps at a music store. Orange Crush 35RT is just plug and play, hard to get a bad sound out of it to my ears, I like the mid-focused sound. The Boss was very noisy and the low to mid-gain distortion lacked dynamics compared to the Orange. I thought the built-in effects on the Boss Katana were pretty good though.
I have a Vox VT40x. I'd say it sits somewhere between these two. I only use maybe 3 of the amp models, but they have good dynamics. It's noisier than the Orange but quieter than the Katana. It has some built in effects that range from good to disappointing. It has an app for editing that I've never bothered using. Headphone out is alright. I'm thinking about replacing it with the Orange Crush 35RT now that I own some effects pedals.
Thanks to this video. I ended up getting the Boss Kitana ll 50
They both sounded fine. It's a preference really. I have the Crush 12 PiX and I prefer my Fender Mustang I V2 to it. Not really a fair comparison though. 12W vs 20W The Fender has a Orange Custom sim, Orange does Orange better, but across what features the Mustang I V2 has, the Orange is a niche amp after it's all said & done. From other's comments. Orange is a love/hate thing. With Orange, there's also Marshall & Vox as British tone/sound. And the Mustang I V2 has those other British sound amps.
Had both and a blackstar silverline and sold them all because I always preferred the sound of my old Marshall 50DFX. The Katana mk2 100 was my least Favourite, that went after a month. The crush 35 lasted a few months, the silverline lasted 6 months. The Marshall 50DFX has lasted over 12 years. Everyone eventually finds their own sound, mines has always been Marshall. I would advise anyone who is looking at buying an amp to take your guitar with you to a shop. Line up the amps you fancy and have a good play on all of them.
I own the crush 12, and what I love about it is that it has the feel of a 100 watts tube amplifier cranked doing that sag thing you feel under your finger tips. Not sure people in the audience would care which of these two amplifiers you use, but I would use the crush. Curious how loud the 35RT can get for gigging. I guess my 12 would be fine mic’d - but you would have to rely on wedges or in-ears.
Crazy timely. I've been considering both of these. Orange it is. Thank you👍
Katana is more mix ready but i like the simplicity and clean sound of orange
I found the boss amp had a sharper clarity, whereas the Orange had a warmer tone, with more pronounced bass.
My favorite word salad
I mean, the Katana is designed to work with the Tone Studio. If you spent a few mins on it, you'd be able to get the Katana to sound like anything you want. This is just raw, everything is at 12 o'clock sound. The Orange is a plug in and play type amp, the Katana is made to tweak the hell out of.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 Agreed. Katana wins by default simply because of Tone Studio. You can get pretty much any tone you want! I think the high gain is way better on the Katana, too.
can hear the orange has cleaner more present attack (bell like) on cleans. But the kat seems more flexible (if a little thinner), but you could probably tweak it a bit. prefer the orange overall, with the exception of high gain where kat seems better (oddly, since it's meant to be orange's thing).
3:03 holy that part got me, where do I get tabs, for easir learn?
Tengo el boss katana mkII 50 y puedo dercir que es un amplificador que sonara mucho pero muchisimo mejor si se le pone presets o establecer el booster como distorsion/overdrive principal, al principio me decepcione que sonara algo digital su distorsion y los limpios pero usando su interfaz de configuracion realmente se puede hacer maravillas con este amplificador hasta el punto que ya no considero comprarme el orange
Me paso igualmente y dije que era una porqueria de Amp pero haora que lo pude entender mejor es unos de mis favorito
Probably what you'd expect... Orange has pronounced mids and its signature growl, and tones that could be usable across a slew of genres.. katana sounds *very* thin, even if not overly processed... The best tone you can get out of it would only find its home in some modern punk rock, but there's plenty of settings on it which sound jarring and unpleasant.... Crush beats Katana overall.. but to say analog beats digital *always* feels like falling into a classic trap...
That's because main distortion pedal should be used through "Booster", not through pure gain. I tune all the way to Drop F and D#1, and it sounds absolutely growling and crushing there. You just have to understand what EQ-ing is, to make a good tone out of it.
Orange wins all day everyday.
The Orange sounds very good.
Both sound good. My ears favored the Orange in most cases. I especially preferred the cleans from the Orange.
The katana has that awesome crunch going
Katana has more lows, sort of like listening to a stereo. the orange is definitely the best sounding. but the katana is no slouch. I would like to hear the orange with a 12 inch speaker.
great comparison.
I went with the Katana because i found it half price used and it's a great speaker for amp and cab sims since it has a poweramp in port. I personally would not be caught using the actual amp tones on either of these units for the really high gain stuff I play.
I actually just sold my katana MK2. It made the general tone of my guitars just sound… muddy, and it gave this overall underwater sound and there was just not much I could do about it after so long. It was great when I wanted a bunch of different effects starting out and I didn’t have any pedals but playing clean through the katana vs even an orange crush 12 there was a huge difference and my 12 sounded so much better that my katana collected dust. I use the 35RT now.
I’m not saying the katana is a terrible amp, but it’s decent at a lot of things but not great at anything. The analog amps are going to be great at a few things but lack the versatility of all the digital bells and whistles. As you grow with your guitar journey so will your taste and recognition of good tones and you’ll find what you love.
I relly should get my dirt channel fixed on the crush... bit of a contact issue in the pot since i broke the knob... my repair was of limited sucess as it sounds like a fuzz now😅😂
The thing is, if you dialled in the Katana you could 100% get the tone of the Orange.
Allegedly.
The speaker in the amp is the most important part by far. You don’t have any ability to “dial” that “in”.
@@goodmanwiseman303the katana sounds better headphone out
@@goodmanwiseman303 So buy the Katana Head and choose the right speaker?
Of course you can what are you talking about. The speaker is just a transducer it does with the electronics tell it. @@goodmanwiseman303
Fantastic review bro. It has inspired me to dust off my Orange 35R tbh. I guess I haven't played it in awhile mostly cause I have since purchased a few other smaller amps which cause of where I am and mostly when I play have been using them. But yeah my Orange is definitely gonna get plugged in and turned up!
I feel there's a lot more fiddling with the effects and eq on the Boss that could get you to all the places where the Orange sounds better. I just bought my son a mono price $120-delivered 5W 6v6 based 8" combo. A few $25 amazon pedals gets me to a better place than either of these. I mainly play around on my 5W Gibson el84 based reissue. 38W Boogie and 60W Crate tube amps are just too much off-stage. You have to start somewhere and we learn more about what we want as we go and for that, either of these are nice options. I don't see why all these amps don't have a built-in tuner, these days. I've got an Orange Micro Crush and a Bass Crush 100. Both have them.
I find something to like out of almost any amp. SS and digital are great IMO since i live in a region which trades climates with planet Venus 8 months out of the year (Texas), and beating the heat is an endeavor which really does border on the desperate, lol. Tube amps double as space heaters during the 11-minute winters. Happily, SS "arrived" approx 20ish years ago with the advent of the Peavey Transvestube series. Others quickly aped the formula; I have a B-52 100-watt brain among other things, and in the context of my lousy mixes, it's never just super obvious it's a SS amp. And VSTs such as Amp Room, Overloud etc are just perfect for when it's 2am, and I could possibly earn more blood enemies, namely my neighbors, if i were to fire up my 150-watt Bugera Dollar General Plexi remake thru my Marshall AVT series (a "cheap" line, but it sounds great, very luckily) 4x12, lol.
Thanks for this Demo, this is exactly what I needed, since I have to choose which one of those I'll buy. It's going to be the orange 🫡
My cousin left this amp here for practice. I definitely like it way better than the Katana and my fender champion xl for distortion. For clean, I love the Fender Champion 50XL though. That low end is awesome.
0:37 riff plz!
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The cleans on the Crush almost made me cry. The same part played through the Boss just didn't make me "feel it".
The overdriven Orange tone was great too. It sounded passionate while the Boss merely sounded crunchy. The tones in this Orange somehow just seem to have a lot of heart.
I like the Vox VT40X, it has the best of both worlds, it has a valve pre amp and modeling, the difference between it and the Katana is like night and day, the saturation and dynamics are great on the Vox, I ordered both the Vox and the Katana amp and ended up sending the Katana back, the only thing I don't like is it doesn't have an effects loop, I get around this by using my overdrive and distortion pedals that are not available on the amps modelling in front of the amp and use the modulation effects on the amp.
The Katana sounds lifeless compared to the Orange Crush!
I have the artist and the waza speaker makes the katana. I agree, the regular sounds dull but I love my artist.
Brand loyalty is one hell of a drug... what does that even MEAN?
orange sounds like tearing a can in some riffs i have both of these baddies
Very digital.
Orange sounds great.
Me enamore de este video muchísimas gracias por darte el tiempo de editar y mostrarlo de modo tan eficaz.!
I feel like these two in a mix together would sound cool.
In cleans, definitely Orange is sweet and sharp.... but in High Gain, Katana has more bass and does not pierce the ears... Orange sounds shrill in high gain
I just bought the Katana III so going to have to be happy with it, I think it did sound a bit better in the high gain comparison, those cleans on the orange are much better though. Sales rep talked me into the Katana, was originally looking at the Orange 20RT. Lets hope it makes me sound better regardless over the Crate GX-15 😂
If you use the EQ and the residence controls on the Boss Katana
it would sound closer to the orange ,
But a tube amp has a much wider frequency band then a solid state amp .
A tube amp will always sound fuller .
That's just the nature of tubes .
Me personally
The lighter weight and all the bells and whistles .
I Will always choose the Boss Katana.
Close is good enough .
Unless you're doing a side by side comparison
no one's going to notice .
The Orange sounds has that extra something all day long. The Katana sounds kinda harsh a lot of times, and sorta thin in some instances.
they both sound great but ive never been the biggest fan of the orange sound. but i bet its better than the current cheap amp i have
0:43 wow great playing! Is this a known song?
What I noticed is that the knob settings on both amps are at noon. Expecting two completely different amps to sound similar is ridiculous at best. A better way to show the two amps would be the set the Orange to a tone. Say, everything at noon and then adjust the other amp as needed, in this case the Katana to sound as close as possible.
Orange definitely was more punchy, I have a 35rt and it sounds really good
As someone who owns the super crush 100, if you want a certain tone go for the orange. However if you want a really good range of sounds and fx then it's really a no brainer to pick a katana.
Yeah, modelers are still “try it out” amps for me. They’re all well and good but once you find a sound you like you can get it way better elsewhere.
@@Dram1984 completely agree. Until you find a sound that you really like modellers are great, but yeah once you try a proper Marshall or fender and such it's really hard to go back and enjoy a modelling amp.
@@CG-rf6nu The katanas are great stuff. You should try downloading the sneaky amps into it. They're pretty good.
Boss is good sounding too but I like the Orange the most bc it has that mid range.
That's what I call comparison 👍
I think the Katana would probably sound more full in person and possibly more pleasing to the ear when practicing alone, but the Crush would sit WAY better in a full band. It has a more present, upfront sound. It would cut through and sit perfectly on top of a bass. The Katana would get lost and muddy.
Ya i have a katana sounds better than that in person
I own both and the orange is better in a band and while alone.The kat is fun but the 35rt is amazing.i got it for super heavy styles but it does great cleans also.
@@craighamboi am looking to get a new amp and I am not sure yet which one of these two i am going to get. I wanted to get the orange crush 35rt but someone said i should get the katana instead. I just think dowloading presets and all looks like a hassle. I am also mostly interested in heavier styles like metal btw
@@FL0RIS0 you will be fine with either,the orange has way better cleans and has a 4 stage gain which is amazing for heavier music and also a built in reverb and tuner as well as an effects loop.the katana is also pretty good and when paired with the app you have heaps of distortions,delays,overdrives and mods.if you want the simpler option go for the orange as it is straight plug and play and sounds brilliant.
@@craighambo alright thanks man!
The Orange sounds amazing honestly, and it's a simple plug and play amp which I'm a big fan of.
The Katana is remarkable but it's more work. You could probably get it to sound extremely similar to the Orange or anything else but it takes a fair amount of work in Tone Studio. Amps are basically only differentiated by their EQ, so as long as you can tweak that heavily you can get any sound you want (watch Jim Lill's amp video to see him ultimately manage to make a homemade box that sounds just like some of the most famous and desired amps in history). A good Katana example is LambChopper, who manages to get a Katana to sound uncannily like famous metal tones on records generally by using three different EQs in Tone Studio.