.If you want to play a hard but rewarding game that reminds you of the Persona series definitely check out Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance on Steam for 30% off runtil September 26th, 2024. gsght.com/c/k2lwnx
Speaking of around 1:01:47 you mentioned wanting to see or hear metal in an opera house, Septicflesh did a Dvd in 2019 I think where they did a show in an opera house with an orchestra
@@Crystalhair2024 I assume he and most people assume that it's either autotuned or someone else singing so it's always a pleasant surprise to hear the voice actor did both.
when the VA is a professional singer, they really can fool you by intentionally singing worse/not good enough to tell you that Kiryu isnt a singer hes just a normal man vibing to the music, imo
@@BeeCygNus I mean, you say that (and, for what it's worth, Miranda Cosgrove did that in School of Rock), but Kiryu is consistantly good. (Except for when he was voiced by YongYea.)
I love how Kevin's conclusion was wanting to contribute personally to video game soundtracks. This is exactly how lots of composers small and big were driven to music making, be it specifically for games or in a wider sense. Amazing how game OSTs never fail to evoke this drive. Now I'm rooting for Kevin to get a foot into the industry, would love to hear a contribution from him someday! Thanks for this wonderful guest Marco, hope to see him back on the channel someday!
Marco, i have a great idea for an April Fool's prank if you can get Kevin on board. Just have him do a video/stream with no webcam and see how long it takes us to figure out who it is
It's the glasses bro. Quantum glasses singularity. When 2 people in a room have glasses, parts of their person begin to melt together. Some begin to have the same voices, or sniff the same, and some even eat the same meal later that day. I'm surprised more people don't know about this 🗿
They did spend some time at the start talking about being "rivals" which in opera I'm guessing means they both sound close enough to compete for the same type of casting
"This is What you Are" is still my favorite piece of music from any game. Nothing resonates in both the context of the game and in the context of my own life the same way.
@@oriandthesleepytimeoften scifi is as much about cool tech or aliens as it is about using something like an alien as an outside perspective. As a tool to analyze one thing or another. Or to make an alien embody a certain aspect of humanity. It tends to be a very introspective sort of fiction.
Him saying apotheosis while describing phase two of Promised Consort made me audibly gasp. For those who don't know the definition of apotheosis is "the elevation of someone to divine status; deification". If you know you know...
@tahaelhour690 I think the fight is perfectly fine if not fun, definitely not one of fromsoft's best but perfectly fine and enjoyable. As for the story, I'll defend it and say it really isn't that bad, but the lack of any conclusion just ruins it
Im a Warframe player since 2015, and in game, you can set the music you have running in your ship to be any number of songs from the game. For nearly 10 years now, 'This Is What You Are' has been the sole song i let play, no others. What it represents in game and how you come to the appropriate realizations and their implications is one of those "oh my god" moments you get in games. Its one thatll stick with me for a very long time. ALMOST as much as 'The Best Is Yet To Come' in Metal gear Solid 4.... to this day, no other moment has ever had me NEED to put the controller down and just vibe. Or in my case, be a lone 30 year old man sitting in the silence of my room, with the only sounds being the song, and a grown man weeping. That moment was a mental, emotional, and spiritual gut punch.
Hope to see Kevin Ray again, was interesting and good insight into the music, especially the last part (the beat tempo) was something I have never really thought of. Speaking as a non-musician here, always fun to look at music in different ways with the insight of your guests in the back of my head.
Glad you both touched a bit upon why a lotta folks love Yakuza's karaoke. It's seeing which songs the characters like to sing and how they see themselves when they sing it in their favorite bar. Kiryu gets all emotional and remembers a good time or a good person in his life with Baka Mitai, and Goro Majima with 24 Hour Cinderella... well he just has fantasies of being a pop idol on rollerskates. It's an insight to the personalities of these characters who are supposedly some hardened criminals but have a far more innocent side to them. Not something a lotta crime dramas care to do.
Artist Analysis: I enjoyed this piece as it embodies the function of chaos in that the melody is unpredictable, yet there’s an underlying structure with the simple yet consistent beat. Each note is the same length, measured yet keeping the listener in a constant state of anxiety or perhaps even panic. It makes you search for a resolution that never comes, much like life itself! CrazyBus Title Screen Composer: Yeah so, I ran some sounds through a random tone generator…
As a moderator for the channel Marco took the video from, he only does videogames guides so he uploaded the karaoke minigame not the song itself. It was bad luck from Marco's side.
Man I love that series. Everytime, we get to meet someone new, interesting and knowledgeable. Thanks again for sharing and huge thanks to Mr Ray for joining in. Loved his reaction and open-minded attitude!
Your conversation about music outside of context was really interesting to me because I feel almost the opposite: I find it difficult to enjoy music WITHOUT thinking about the meaning, and all of my favorite music that I listen to over and over again are pieces that tell a story to me, and I like to listen to it to bring me on that journey. There are earworms that get stuck in my head because "it's a bop," but it is still very much linked to the part of the emotional journey I feel in that part of the piece, just not moving from that place.
That’s a valid way to listen to these pieces! Maybe take them away and explore them on your own if you really want to but it’s not necessary. Context is really cool
Interesting comment, i do believe that in videogames the context is important for the OST, because in my opinion ofr a ost to goof it needs to fit the context of what's happening, even if the music is really good if it doesn't fit the mood, scene, emotions i don't consider that is a good soundtrack and for me the best example of that is the Marvel 2 soundtrack, the music individually is good but it doesn't fit the game in almost anything and the oppsite also occurs and for me the biggest example is Banjo Kazooie most of the songs don't work individually i will never listen to that but it fits the game perfectly so i will say that the Banjo soundtrack is really good. In my opinion the best soundtracks are the ones that the songs work individually but also contextually, which interestingly gacha games are the ones that are doing that the best, also some other games that i believe fit that is Stellar Blade, most of the Souls games, Nier, Final Fantasy, Persona from 3 to 5.
I feel the same way, that while I can listen to music that is "just music for the sake of music", I find myself more thoroughly enjoying songs that have a story or meaning behind them. Songs like Filter's "Hey Man Nice Shot" having a morbid but fascinating story about Politician Bud Dwyer, or Danzig's "Mother" being about the PMRC trying to censor the music industry itself. Music with an idea behind it holds a deeper spot in my mind
If I don't know the context of a song, I make one up for myself. It's the only way I can like any modern pop. If I can't make up a way to relate to it, even fictional, I can't like it.
@@Cofcos I do the same! Every song I listen to, if I'm actually engaged in active listening, I create a mini-movie in my head of what the story of the song is. Even, and in fact ESPECIALLY, instrumental pieces. Sometimes it's what the actual intended story of the piece is, but often I struggle parse the lyrics of a song and so I get snippets and otherwise the lyrics are like just another instrument, just sounds, and I just read the "vibe" and interpret the story from there. Pop songs tend to be repetitive, so I don't usually like them because the story is just quite boring, the same story beats over and over again until something changes at the end. While with, for example, the Promised Consort, I see in my head the army of Radahn sitting in dejection, when the first murmurs of music at the beginning sound, and they're stirred from their reverie, and then I see the intro cutscene for the boss, and then a montage cutting between shots of the boss fight synced with the music, sizzle shots of Radahn, and the Redmane army gathering themselves back to their dignity and marshalling, hope filling them again. Then for the transition I see the phase transition current cut together with shots of radiant light slowly spreading over the Lands Between, and all the desiccated, ancient, hopeless people see this new light and see some glimmer of hope, and then as the second phase music builds it continues to rouse the weary, huddled masses, and the Redmanes prepare for their Lord to return once more, and we see shots of the glory to come, of Miquella's radiant kindness and love washing over those who have been unloved for so long, and it keeps building and building and at the apex - Miquella and Radahn die, cut down by the Tarnished. And the light recedes, and the people's eyes glaze over with hopelessness/apathy once more.
"This is what you are" will always be one of the most touching and human songs I've ever heard. And it's in a game where humanity as we know it has long been gone, full of monsters and oddities, but one where we can feel the soul, the pain, the love and everything else about truly BEING human Great video, as always, Marco. You're doing a great job and thank you!
This was a treat! I also tend to absorb vocal lines as musical elements instead of as lyrics with meaning, at least at first. I'll come to understand the lyrical meaning later, but first and foremost I look at voices as instruments, in the same way I would listen for a bassline or drum track.
As a warframe veteran, it makes me so happy to see how much This is What You Are has affected you like it has so many others. It always wets my eyes when I hear that track. If you're ever looking for some help in the game, I'm always happy to assist a fellow Tenno! Great vid as always!
Hot take: Slave Knight Gael's ost is rather generic, and the best part of the track (end of second phase) is almost never heard because it skips to phase 3 too quickly in game
sins of the father makes me cry with just pure emotion. not any particular one. well, maybe awe? the orchestration behind her voice. . . THE EMOTION AND THE DRIVE IN HER VOICE. THE WAY THE VOCALIST SOUNDS DETERMINED AND AS IF SHE'S IN ANGUISH AT THE SAME TIME. its a stunning piece. 'words that kill' hits hard as a lyric considering the story of the game.
"This is what you are" one of a masterpiece, thank you Marco for sharing it to other people. i like that the song and the trailer perfectly synced to the end.
"Dream.....not of what you are....but of what you want to be" This game also helped me go through hell. It will always have a special place is my heart. This quest especially was a moment I'll never forget.
Marco, you've definitely listened to the new version of "This Is What We Are" that plays during the Lotus Eaters quest, right? It brought me TO TEARS. I really, really, REALLY want them to release a full version of that one! The vocals are always sublime!
It's really cool getting musical related stuff like this. I was in concert choir during high school and was one of the few Bass 2s in the class, was really fun
Wow Marco, this is the craziest coincidence but you got me absolutely HOOKED on Ace Combat music a long time ago, especially Archange and when i was listening to the segment in this video i was finally like "okay i HAVE to get this game and experience the moment this song comes in" and i checked Steam and AC7 is actually on sale for 90% off right now lol.
Love this vid Marco! just a little info, Urqopacha Day (Windswept Echoes) was composed and arranged by Saya Yasaki, who also arranged the Myths of the Realm non-boss raid themes :)
I think Warframe does actually have quite a lot of story before you get to the second dream, but game players are so conditioned to think of story as plot that it gets missed here. You spend 40 hours learning about what the solar system is now, who the other people in it are and hints at the mysteries of this system in much the same way you would get it from dark souls, by thinking about what's being presented to you. The Second Dream is when you go from learning about the solar system to learning about the deeper parts of that system, and it is a drastic shift but also works because you spent all that time doing missions and seeing what was out there.
Absolutely agree. Hell, even when the story is directly presented some people skip right past it if isn’t in the form of a cutscene. I’ve had friends who played games, enjoyed the game, then when talking to them about it they say something like “the game was fun but the story sucked”. Then you start asking questions to probe that statement further and you realize the only bits of the story that they paid attention to was the stuff presented in cutscenes, ignoring any dialogue or anything else. Now, I think it’s fine if you want to play a game that way, but it kinda renders your view on the story moot if you ignored and skipped past 95% of the story content presented to you😂 That said, I think there will always be people like that with any kinda of storytelling medium. They don’t think any deeper than surface level, they don’t pay attention to the details etc, if it isn’t shoved directly in their face in the most blatant way, or spelled out explicitly, then they won’t get it.
Never say sorry for playing yakuza. I’ve never played yakuza but I love seeing it wherever it shows up. Also, it was nice hearing what Kevin had to say about yakuza. He brought up a good point that I never really thought about before, and that was how music in-game (the way Yakuza did it) shows how music is involved in the characters life. I think it humanizes these characters and increases immersion. Great video and phenomenal guest!
Hearing you describe “Those Who Deny the Dawn” as a “tenor aria” is delightful haha I mean you’re not even *wrong* I just never thought of it like that
I really enjoyed having Kevin on this episode. I thought he did really good talking about technical aspects of the songs and what they mean. I would enjoy seeing Kevin again in future videos. Also, I enjoyed how he mentioned he is motivated to create music. I think that's what good art is. It should inspire something within someone to do great things.
Maybe my favorite guest yet. Maybe it's because he already has a little bit of familiarity, but instead of being surprised by the music he was very open minded and philosophical about what he was hearing. Love it!
35:35 I absolutely adore how interwoven into Final Fantasy's music the Prelude is. Kevin's reaction is what I feel like everyone's reaction is to catching the prelude in modern FF tracks. It's this "Oh Nobuo you little scamp" kind of reaction, I love it
He perfectly describes how I feel about Fromsoft music, glad to know I am not the only one. I do like metal remixes of them though, maybe the remixers just add that personal touch that I felt was missing.
Love these vids. Don't feel bad about wanting to share the same songs all the time, if I could I would share Gherman, The First Hunter to every guest without fail.
I love these videos, love hearing professional talk about what they know but i was wondering if you ever considered showing these composer/singers/producers who i assume are more familiar with western compositions, eastern compositions like demon of hatred from Sekiro or something along those lines.
one of my favourite things about Archange is how much gravitas the song carries. in context, not only is he the best pilot to have ever lived, but the fight decides whose idealogy survives, and mihaly's was dangerous and old.
After years of listening to This Is What You Are while sitting on Warframe's menus for hours while just chatting with friends and whatnot, I never realized how much of an emotionally evoking song it is. It really is an amazingly beautiful piece and I'm sort of sad I didn't realize that until today. It really tugged on some heart strings that I never even consciously knew existed. But in all honesty, I couldn't even tell you what it had me emotional about.
I wasn't expecting a SMT V ad, but it was super on point. SMT V soundtrack is sooo good. I would never imagine the main theme of the game is actually the credits track. (Still have to check the Vengeance tracks)
It constantly astounds me how much heavy lifting music does in video games to tell a story, such that we repeatedly see these professionals be able to recognise what the music is saying, and by extension, having an understanding of what is happening in the game when the music in question plays.
his reaction to Those who deny the dawn pretty much says it all about the masterfully crafted work of Yasunori Nishiki - glad to see more Octopath Traveler and I think it would be great to continue showcasing it in these videos :)
I love how he could guess so closely even the scene that the music was made for, and love his analysis specially when he currently pointed out that the off balance feel was because of the 7/8 rhythm of Archange. Really would love to see what he has to say about Zero, Daredevil and Unsung War. Honestly if I made music and wanted somebody to critique it so I can make it better, it would be this guy.
Right. First of all I would like to see Kevin appearing again on your channel. Second to that, I feel like there was some spiritual journey I was going through in this video. Thank you so, so much!
I bounce back and forth between listening to ingame music and my own choices of music based on how much I have heard the music or what I am doing, if I am doing the same thing for hours eventually I need something to fill a specific need that the game might not provide. I really loved his perspective on these songs it was great.
I love these, spreading music outside of their usual environment is neat. Reading some comments, I also got some music, which is a bit more niche or often overlooked in music quizzes (coz you do those sometimes) and would probably fit here. Those being things like the Prontera Theme (Dawn in the Big City, i believe?) or "Not So Far Away" from Ragnarok Online, and "War Will Come", "Our Perception of Beauty" and "The Cold Science of Supremacy" by Jeff Kurtenacker from Wildstar. Also Into The Unknown from Wildstar. Though that one being emotional might be the context of the game being gone xD
If you look at the midi for the Crazy Bus title theme, you can see that it appears to be several tracks playing at the same time across 3 square channels. There's even a distinct "drum" track being played as audio notes.
This guy needs to listen to the Portal 2 soundtrack if he appreciates the Crazy Bus theme. It takes that idea of discordant avant garde chip tune and does something absolutely spectacular with it. Try "Science Is Fun" or "Reconstructing More Science". I see you've also reacted to Cara Mia Addio, the games sort of parody of Italian opera, but you listened to it out of context...and the context is so important for it. The game is primarily a comedy. The song is sung by the games common enemy type which are deliberately cute little AI controlled machine gun turrets. They are adorable death machines. In the plot of the game you've been trying to escape a facility controlled by an insane AI that is trying to kill you, often with these turrets. At the end of the game after deciding you are too hard to kill the AI lets you leave and the turrets are ordered to no longer shoot at you. The very end of the game is you getting stuck in a lift as it opens onto a room full of these turrets...but rather than shoot you, they start to sing. You laughed at it, finding it funny that this archaic style of Opera was in a video game...but I don't think you understood that that was exactly what they were going for. It's written by AI turrets that are just becoming self aware. In your reaction you referred to a book you used to learn how to sing Italian opera, and how it reminded you of a Carra Mio Belle. I don't think you realise you hit the nail on the head....that is exactly the intent...the AI is learning how to sing and write music so they've written a song about you, the player, who inspired them and it's in the style of Italian opera for beginners. That's the joke. A 16th century Italian Opera joke in a sci-fi video game. I couldn't give a better example of the brilliance of the soundtrack. It's a masterpiece.
@@jonnygarcia5 Of course, Goddess of victory, the game's anthem, is powerful. Marco even made a video on it. The harvester's theme song i feel is also similar to Moving Fortress. It also depends on what vibes you're looking for. Colorless is angsty. Why does the world feel lifeless and empty, and will it stay like that when you grow up? Lucky Night is a bop, casino vibes.
26:02 I think the you "glazing" part also comes partly from knowing the background and refrences from this music to other in game music themes (like the Star Scourge Radahn theme for example). I think knowing that enhances the experience and appreciation for the piece. I am also a big fan of the "Pomised Consort" music track.
On the topic of the Promised Consort fight and the Urqopacha day theme. This video was honestly the first time I heard the song for that fight, because when I fought it I was 90% focused on the gameplay and just registered there was music in the background. For Urqopacha the theme is sometimes the main event, I have spent 5 or so hours in Urqopacha gathering materials for my crafting classes, running between 6 nodes and collecting items, it's such an automated task that all I really have to do is listen to the music. They are both BGM's for a game, but one is set dressing and the other is a star actor, they perform different jobs and so one feels more original and the other has to quickly convey theme without being too distracting, but can quickly feel like you heard it before.
Considering all the talk about lyrics and context I think it would be interesting for you to take a look at splatoon's music. Somehow music where I don't speak the language hits me even harder and splatoon's literal nonsense still hits me in the feels with calamari inkantation or fly octo fly. I do acknowledge it might be the gameplay memory association though.
Would love to see more of Kevin, especially if you show him some Ultrakill songs and classics like songs from Knights of the Old Republic 2, but overall Kevin has deffo been the most interesting for someone (me) who has no "in" to the Opera or Classical music world.
I listened to this video like a podcast on my way to work and, ngl, I had a very hard time trying to distinguish who was talking at any moment lol, your voices and way of talking are very similar
Damn, I’ve wanted to see you react to SMT music for ages but didn’t expect to see an ad for it. Hopefully you’ll have the chance to share you’re thoughts on the music sometime soon.
The original recording of the Metallica S&M live album with the SF Symphony is still one of my favourites. I have the record set and I still listen to it often. Imagine that for Guilty Gear
As a person who plays a ton of planet zoo (I have over 500 hours) it was really interesting seeing you react to the music, specifically what i would call the theme song of PZ. The lyrics in the theme song are all from the created language for the Planet games. I feel it serves as as a good showcase of the vibes of the game, just hearing it gets me in the relaxed creative mood.
holy shit, what a small world. I actually went to college with Kevin Ray - we were just acquaintances through some mutual friends, but he always seemed like a cool guy. glad to see him on the channel
I was not expecting a deep chat about the crazy bus thing, the interesting thing is that he is actually right, is something that makes you feel something, just as a tv show, or game or anything
33:20 I love you so much for bringing this song to light. When I played through DT and heard this theme, I immediately went out of my way to grind 66 DIFFERENT FATES FOR IT, I thought it was that good. It's so tranquil, peaceful, and I love it dearly. I still think it's one of the better zone themes in the game now. Thank you.
I know we all have our favorite songs that we really want to see in a video but I've pretty much scrolled through every one looking for the theme from Dry Dry Docks.
what makes baka mitai and 24 hour cinderella so special in the yakuza karaoke lineup is just how much the composer hams it up and embraces the silliness. It's so over the top in your face in their respective genres that it's incredibly funny and still heartfelt
As someone who grew up in the American Southwest with a lot of proximity to Native American and Central/South American culture, Urqopacha in particular holds a special place in my heart. The flutes and drums are very similar to those used by the Mescalero Apache, and I could even envision the hand motions for both in my mind when I sit in the zone and just listen to the music.
I've been kind of binge watching your reaction vids, and I really like how you break down the music. I have been a little surprised (or maybe not, if they aren't a game you like to play) about music you haven't reacted to. Final Fantasy X was heavily music driven (and I think you did react to the Zanarkand theme), as was Journey. And I'm really surprised you haven't reacted to the Skyrim theme. But it is possible you have, and I just missed them. I always think it's so wild how certain songs in video games can amp up the anxiety, or make you want to stay in a particular zone because of the music.
Always will love these videos and you know I had to bump the volume for "those who deny the dawn". Such a great piece with phenomenal energy. Also on a side point Marco, have you looked into Cytus at all? Its a rhythm game and it's chapter L composed by ICE feels like a full performance piece. There are no visuals just images/a name tied to each track but you can just imagine the entire plot off the music alone. Theres a nearly hour long video of the full chapter and it's always felt like a modern classical piece. Definitely recommend giving that video a listen!
.If you want to play a hard but rewarding game that reminds you of the Persona series definitely check out Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance on Steam for 30% off runtil September 26th, 2024. gsght.com/c/k2lwnx
wait, isn't Shin Megami Tensei the game that Persona derives from?
@@m1xxx3rsome people don’t know that! Yea.
Speaking of around 1:01:47 you mentioned wanting to see or hear metal in an opera house, Septicflesh did a Dvd in 2019 I think where they did a show in an opera house with an orchestra
Super fun game...and perhaps we might be seeing some videos about it in the future?? 🙏
Marco... why you keep sharing? XD
you keep sharing the same songs XD
One of these days he's gonna run out of non-gamer friends...
You’d be surprised
He has an inexhaustable supply of specifically non gamer friends.
Please don't kill them
The beautiful thing about friends is that your not stuck with the starting chars but you're bout to make more friends along the way :)
@@sophiemoser1752 Not me, the writer forgot to give me a character arc
Don't forget: Kiryu is voiced by a professional singer.
Oh shit?
@@MarcoMeatball He's the lead in a band- Takaya Kuroda & Goodfellas.
@@Crystalhair2024 I assume he and most people assume that it's either autotuned or someone else singing so it's always a pleasant surprise to hear the voice actor did both.
when the VA is a professional singer, they really can fool you by intentionally singing worse/not good enough to tell you that Kiryu isnt a singer hes just a normal man vibing to the music, imo
@@BeeCygNus I mean, you say that (and, for what it's worth, Miranda Cosgrove did that in School of Rock), but Kiryu is consistantly good.
(Except for when he was voiced by YongYea.)
I love how Kevin's conclusion was wanting to contribute personally to video game soundtracks. This is exactly how lots of composers small and big were driven to music making, be it specifically for games or in a wider sense. Amazing how game OSTs never fail to evoke this drive. Now I'm rooting for Kevin to get a foot into the industry, would love to hear a contribution from him someday!
Thanks for this wonderful guest Marco, hope to see him back on the channel someday!
That's also how Koji Kondo came to basically define the concept of "video game music"
Marco, i have a great idea for an April Fool's prank if you can get Kevin on board. Just have him do a video/stream with no webcam and see how long it takes us to figure out who it is
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BEST. IDEEA. EVERRRR!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
how do they sound like the same person
we have similar ranges because we're the same voice type.
@@MarcoMeatball I think the problem is when you’re listening and not watching, it’s hard sometimes to know which of you is speaking 😅
It's the glasses bro. Quantum glasses singularity. When 2 people in a room have glasses, parts of their person begin to melt together. Some begin to have the same voices, or sniff the same, and some even eat the same meal later that day.
I'm surprised more people don't know about this 🗿
They did spend some time at the start talking about being "rivals" which in opera I'm guessing means they both sound close enough to compete for the same type of casting
@@udiar exactly this
"This is What you Are" is still my favorite piece of music from any game. Nothing resonates in both the context of the game and in the context of my own life the same way.
Warframe for being such an "Alien" game on the outside is the most "Humane" game ever made imo.
@@MEYH3M wwhats really funny is that there are no real aliens in Warframe lol, its all human offshoots and machines those human offshoots made
@@purplehaze557 Yeah it's all a result of Humanity.
@@oriandthesleepytimeoften scifi is as much about cool tech or aliens as it is about using something like an alien as an outside perspective. As a tool to analyze one thing or another. Or to make an alien embody a certain aspect of humanity. It tends to be a very introspective sort of fiction.
For me, it's Smiles From Juran that wins the Warframe music contest. But that's not for lack of competition AT ALL.
Those two tenors duscussing together was one of the sweetest things I've seen !
For the few seconds I was already charmed by him !
Kevin makes the same pose as Radahn at 17:04
Him saying apotheosis while describing phase two of Promised Consort made me audibly gasp. For those who don't know the definition of apotheosis is "the elevation of someone to divine status; deification". If you know you know...
im not in the know, can you elaborate?
@@wiaf8937 in phase two, Radahn is elevated to divine status; deified
@@magnus2544 Dank u well!
Talking about the masculine and feminine, in light of the Rebis elements of gods like Marika-Radagon in the lands between, is just the icing on top.
His description was ON POINT on that one, also i almost lost my mind when he described "This is what you are" with the word "perseverance"
Marco of course had to pull out the promised consort. Such an amazing piece.
a transcendent track, FROM has evolved so fast from the days of king's field, they make actual works of art.
Only issue is that it really doesn't hit nowhere near as hard if you didn't hear Starscourge Radahn first...
I really just wish the fight and story was done better
@tahaelhour690 I think the fight is perfectly fine if not fun, definitely not one of fromsoft's best but perfectly fine and enjoyable. As for the story, I'll defend it and say it really isn't that bad, but the lack of any conclusion just ruins it
@@poliorice3600 not that bad is not perfect, is not great, is not good, is not ok, it’s bad. But not that bad. But still bad.
Im a Warframe player since 2015, and in game, you can set the music you have running in your ship to be any number of songs from the game. For nearly 10 years now, 'This Is What You Are' has been the sole song i let play, no others. What it represents in game and how you come to the appropriate realizations and their implications is one of those "oh my god" moments you get in games. Its one thatll stick with me for a very long time.
ALMOST as much as 'The Best Is Yet To Come' in Metal gear Solid 4.... to this day, no other moment has ever had me NEED to put the controller down and just vibe. Or in my case, be a lone 30 year old man sitting in the silence of my room, with the only sounds being the song, and a grown man weeping. That moment was a mental, emotional, and spiritual gut punch.
I play exclusively songs made by me in my orbiter.
The thing about Crazy Bus music is that the menu music is played through a type of code, and it never repeats itself...ever
Kevin seems to be nice, friendly fellow. It was nice to see him listening to music and hear his opinions. Also I hope his year gets better!!
Hope to see Kevin Ray again, was interesting and good insight into the music, especially the last part (the beat tempo) was something I have never really thought of. Speaking as a non-musician here, always fun to look at music in different ways with the insight of your guests in the back of my head.
I felt some of Kevin's stank faces deep in my SOUL lol what a great guest
Glad you both touched a bit upon why a lotta folks love Yakuza's karaoke. It's seeing which songs the characters like to sing and how they see themselves when they sing it in their favorite bar. Kiryu gets all emotional and remembers a good time or a good person in his life with Baka Mitai, and Goro Majima with 24 Hour Cinderella... well he just has fantasies of being a pop idol on rollerskates. It's an insight to the personalities of these characters who are supposedly some hardened criminals but have a far more innocent side to them. Not something a lotta crime dramas care to do.
"Imagine metal at an opera hall"
Satyricon and the Norwegian National Opera Chorus live at the Oslo Opera House would like to know your location.
Septic Flesh in mexico with orchestra and choir as well
Artist Analysis: I enjoyed this piece as it embodies the function of chaos in that the melody is unpredictable, yet there’s an underlying structure with the simple yet consistent beat. Each note is the same length, measured yet keeping the listener in a constant state of anxiety or perhaps even panic. It makes you search for a resolution that never comes, much like life itself!
CrazyBus Title Screen Composer: Yeah so, I ran some sounds through a random tone generator…
If you do "Baka Mitai" again, and you should, find a version without the minigame drum sounds. It's actually a killer pop song!
I agree, it is annoying
As a moderator for the channel Marco took the video from, he only does videogames guides so he uploaded the karaoke minigame not the song itself. It was bad luck from Marco's side.
Need Every Baka mitai karaoke reaction
That or the sequel to Baka Mitai, Baka Darou
Man I love that series. Everytime, we get to meet someone new, interesting and knowledgeable. Thanks again for sharing and huge thanks to Mr Ray for joining in. Loved his reaction and open-minded attitude!
My pleasure!
Oh wow! My boyfriend is an opera singer and he's performed before at AZ Opera. I am from there myself. Best of luck to Kevin at his upcoming debut!
Hey me too! Twice!
Side note - I need to send Marco a more up to date bio
Your conversation about music outside of context was really interesting to me because I feel almost the opposite: I find it difficult to enjoy music WITHOUT thinking about the meaning, and all of my favorite music that I listen to over and over again are pieces that tell a story to me, and I like to listen to it to bring me on that journey. There are earworms that get stuck in my head because "it's a bop," but it is still very much linked to the part of the emotional journey I feel in that part of the piece, just not moving from that place.
That’s a valid way to listen to these pieces! Maybe take them away and explore them on your own if you really want to but it’s not necessary. Context is really cool
Interesting comment, i do believe that in videogames the context is important for the OST, because in my opinion ofr a ost to goof it needs to fit the context of what's happening, even if the music is really good if it doesn't fit the mood, scene, emotions i don't consider that is a good soundtrack and for me the best example of that is the Marvel 2 soundtrack, the music individually is good but it doesn't fit the game in almost anything and the oppsite also occurs and for me the biggest example is Banjo Kazooie most of the songs don't work individually i will never listen to that but it fits the game perfectly so i will say that the Banjo soundtrack is really good.
In my opinion the best soundtracks are the ones that the songs work individually but also contextually, which interestingly gacha games are the ones that are doing that the best, also some other games that i believe fit that is Stellar Blade, most of the Souls games, Nier, Final Fantasy, Persona from 3 to 5.
I feel the same way, that while I can listen to music that is "just music for the sake of music", I find myself more thoroughly enjoying songs that have a story or meaning behind them. Songs like Filter's "Hey Man Nice Shot" having a morbid but fascinating story about Politician Bud Dwyer, or Danzig's "Mother" being about the PMRC trying to censor the music industry itself. Music with an idea behind it holds a deeper spot in my mind
If I don't know the context of a song, I make one up for myself. It's the only way I can like any modern pop. If I can't make up a way to relate to it, even fictional, I can't like it.
@@Cofcos I do the same! Every song I listen to, if I'm actually engaged in active listening, I create a mini-movie in my head of what the story of the song is. Even, and in fact ESPECIALLY, instrumental pieces. Sometimes it's what the actual intended story of the piece is, but often I struggle parse the lyrics of a song and so I get snippets and otherwise the lyrics are like just another instrument, just sounds, and I just read the "vibe" and interpret the story from there. Pop songs tend to be repetitive, so I don't usually like them because the story is just quite boring, the same story beats over and over again until something changes at the end. While with, for example, the Promised Consort, I see in my head the army of Radahn sitting in dejection, when the first murmurs of music at the beginning sound, and they're stirred from their reverie, and then I see the intro cutscene for the boss, and then a montage cutting between shots of the boss fight synced with the music, sizzle shots of Radahn, and the Redmane army gathering themselves back to their dignity and marshalling, hope filling them again. Then for the transition I see the phase transition current cut together with shots of radiant light slowly spreading over the Lands Between, and all the desiccated, ancient, hopeless people see this new light and see some glimmer of hope, and then as the second phase music builds it continues to rouse the weary, huddled masses, and the Redmanes prepare for their Lord to return once more, and we see shots of the glory to come, of Miquella's radiant kindness and love washing over those who have been unloved for so long, and it keeps building and building and at the apex - Miquella and Radahn die, cut down by the Tarnished. And the light recedes, and the people's eyes glaze over with hopelessness/apathy once more.
Probably my fav reaction so far. So many insightful views and points, with aspects people usually didnt noticed. Great video, Marco
Glad you enjoyed!
"This is what you are" will always be one of the most touching and human songs I've ever heard. And it's in a game where humanity as we know it has long been gone, full of monsters and oddities, but one where we can feel the soul, the pain, the love and everything else about truly BEING human
Great video, as always, Marco. You're doing a great job and thank you!
This was a treat!
I also tend to absorb vocal lines as musical elements instead of as lyrics with meaning, at least at first. I'll come to understand the lyrical meaning later, but first and foremost I look at voices as instruments, in the same way I would listen for a bassline or drum track.
As a warframe veteran, it makes me so happy to see how much This is What You Are has affected you like it has so many others. It always wets my eyes when I hear that track. If you're ever looking for some help in the game, I'm always happy to assist a fellow Tenno! Great vid as always!
"Promised Consort" is the new "Slave Knight Gael" for me, glad to see it getting its deserved love
Hot take: Slave Knight Gael's ost is rather generic, and the best part of the track (end of second phase) is almost never heard because it skips to phase 3 too quickly in game
No Tenebre Rosso Sangue? Heresy 😂
"I want to be the person making it." This is the best response. That's amazing. I hope we can see Kevin Ray in the credits of a game someday.
It was such a treat to catch this live and watch it all the way through! Thanks Kevin, what an amazing guest!
sins of the father makes me cry with just pure emotion. not any particular one. well, maybe awe? the orchestration behind her voice. . . THE EMOTION AND THE DRIVE IN HER VOICE. THE WAY THE VOCALIST SOUNDS DETERMINED AND AS IF SHE'S IN ANGUISH AT THE SAME TIME. its a stunning piece. 'words that kill' hits hard as a lyric considering the story of the game.
"This is what you are" one of a masterpiece, thank you Marco for sharing it to other people.
i like that the song and the trailer perfectly synced to the end.
"Dream.....not of what you are....but of what you want to be"
This game also helped me go through hell. It will always have a special place is my heart.
This quest especially was a moment I'll never forget.
Marco, you've definitely listened to the new version of "This Is What We Are" that plays during the Lotus Eaters quest, right? It brought me TO TEARS. I really, really, REALLY want them to release a full version of that one! The vocals are always sublime!
Oh ya
It's really cool getting musical related stuff like this. I was in concert choir during high school and was one of the few Bass 2s in the class, was really fun
Your guest mentioned doing some singing for gaming music. There are a ton of great indy projects that he could get into.
Wow Marco, this is the craziest coincidence but you got me absolutely HOOKED on Ace Combat music a long time ago, especially Archange and when i was listening to the segment in this video i was finally like "okay i HAVE to get this game and experience the moment this song comes in" and i checked Steam and AC7 is actually on sale for 90% off right now lol.
😂😂
Super worth it. If you can emulate the PS2 games, I'd also highly recommend them.
When I saw tenor, I instantly hoped that Those Who Deny The Dawn would be in the video, I'm so happy that it actually became true!
Thanks Marco! Love these interviews!
Love this vid Marco! just a little info, Urqopacha Day (Windswept Echoes) was composed and arranged by Saya Yasaki, who also arranged the Myths of the Realm non-boss raid themes :)
Oh my gosh. Thank you for telling me. Shoot.
I think Warframe does actually have quite a lot of story before you get to the second dream, but game players are so conditioned to think of story as plot that it gets missed here. You spend 40 hours learning about what the solar system is now, who the other people in it are and hints at the mysteries of this system in much the same way you would get it from dark souls, by thinking about what's being presented to you.
The Second Dream is when you go from learning about the solar system to learning about the deeper parts of that system, and it is a drastic shift but also works because you spent all that time doing missions and seeing what was out there.
Great point
Absolutely agree. Hell, even when the story is directly presented some people skip right past it if isn’t in the form of a cutscene. I’ve had friends who played games, enjoyed the game, then when talking to them about it they say something like “the game was fun but the story sucked”. Then you start asking questions to probe that statement further and you realize the only bits of the story that they paid attention to was the stuff presented in cutscenes, ignoring any dialogue or anything else. Now, I think it’s fine if you want to play a game that way, but it kinda renders your view on the story moot if you ignored and skipped past 95% of the story content presented to you😂
That said, I think there will always be people like that with any kinda of storytelling medium. They don’t think any deeper than surface level, they don’t pay attention to the details etc, if it isn’t shoved directly in their face in the most blatant way, or spelled out explicitly, then they won’t get it.
Never stop sharing Ace music brotha!
when the skies start speaking latin...
Never say sorry for playing yakuza. I’ve never played yakuza but I love seeing it wherever it shows up. Also, it was nice hearing what Kevin had to say about yakuza. He brought up a good point that I never really thought about before, and that was how music in-game (the way Yakuza did it) shows how music is involved in the characters life. I think it humanizes these characters and increases immersion. Great video and phenomenal guest!
Hearing you describe “Those Who Deny the Dawn” as a “tenor aria” is delightful haha
I mean you’re not even *wrong* I just never thought of it like that
I really enjoyed having Kevin on this episode. I thought he did really good talking about technical aspects of the songs and what they mean. I would enjoy seeing Kevin again in future videos.
Also, I enjoyed how he mentioned he is motivated to create music. I think that's what good art is. It should inspire something within someone to do great things.
Maybe my favorite guest yet. Maybe it's because he already has a little bit of familiarity, but instead of being surprised by the music he was very open minded and philosophical about what he was hearing. Love it!
If you don't pay attention it's so easy to hear what seems to be Marco talking to himself, lol
35:35 I absolutely adore how interwoven into Final Fantasy's music the Prelude is. Kevin's reaction is what I feel like everyone's reaction is to catching the prelude in modern FF tracks. It's this "Oh Nobuo you little scamp" kind of reaction, I love it
He perfectly describes how I feel about Fromsoft music, glad to know I am not the only one. I do like metal remixes of them though, maybe the remixers just add that personal touch that I felt was missing.
Love these vids. Don't feel bad about wanting to share the same songs all the time, if I could I would share Gherman, The First Hunter to every guest without fail.
Thanks I appreciate that. I just love every individual conversation.
I love these videos, love hearing professional talk about what they know but i was wondering if you ever considered showing these composer/singers/producers who i assume are more familiar with western compositions, eastern compositions like demon of hatred from Sekiro or something along those lines.
Definitely will add more in three episodes
@@MarcoMeatballwasn’t expecting a reply, hell yea looking forward to it.
This music line up is quite possibly the greatest thing you've ever concocted.
one of my favourite things about Archange is how much gravitas the song carries. in context, not only is he the best pilot to have ever lived, but the fight decides whose idealogy survives, and mihaly's was dangerous and old.
This was an incredible guest, i loved learning about the musical technique and language he gleaned with no other context
After years of listening to This Is What You Are while sitting on Warframe's menus for hours while just chatting with friends and whatnot, I never realized how much of an emotionally evoking song it is. It really is an amazingly beautiful piece and I'm sort of sad I didn't realize that until today. It really tugged on some heart strings that I never even consciously knew existed. But in all honesty, I couldn't even tell you what it had me emotional about.
I wasn't expecting a SMT V ad, but it was super on point. SMT V soundtrack is sooo good. I would never imagine the main theme of the game is actually the credits track. (Still have to check the Vengeance tracks)
The Vengeance tracks are so good! they're generally heavier and more electronic than the Canon of Creation tracks.
Add on that Metaphor is about to release and its music is as good if not better.
It constantly astounds me how much heavy lifting music does in video games to tell a story, such that we repeatedly see these professionals be able to recognise what the music is saying, and by extension, having an understanding of what is happening in the game when the music in question plays.
his reaction to Those who deny the dawn pretty much says it all about the masterfully crafted work of Yasunori Nishiki - glad to see more Octopath Traveler and I think it would be great to continue showcasing it in these videos :)
I love how he could guess so closely even the scene that the music was made for, and love his analysis specially when he currently pointed out that the off balance feel was because of the 7/8 rhythm of Archange. Really would love to see what he has to say about Zero, Daredevil and Unsung War. Honestly if I made music and wanted somebody to critique it so I can make it better, it would be this guy.
Love these videos they're nice to listen to while working, and what a lovely guest :)
Right. First of all I would like to see Kevin appearing again on your channel. Second to that, I feel like there was some spiritual journey I was going through in this video. Thank you so, so much!
You should let him try Alicorn mate, he gets the idea, the music will make the game more and more …. SALVATION!
I really love how this guy talks about music. He has so much nuance.
Watching this on audio only is a trip. You both sound so similar.
Also, rival or not, gotta convert him into playing Warframe.
Seems like Kevin needs to play some Yakuza games! Look at that smile immediately! 😊
I bounce back and forth between listening to ingame music and my own choices of music based on how much I have heard the music or what I am doing, if I am doing the same thing for hours eventually I need something to fill a specific need that the game might not provide.
I really loved his perspective on these songs it was great.
He was a great guest! I would really like to see him on here again! :D
Baka Mitai sung by Kazuma Kiryu via Takaya Kuroda a waste of time?! HERESY!!!
I liked Sins of the Father, Crazy Bus theme and Ups and Downs being in here.
It’s also funny how it plays in the game, the car ride was so awkward when this music played
I love these, spreading music outside of their usual environment is neat.
Reading some comments, I also got some music, which is a bit more niche or often overlooked in music quizzes (coz you do those sometimes) and would probably fit here. Those being things like the Prontera Theme (Dawn in the Big City, i believe?) or "Not So Far Away" from Ragnarok Online, and "War Will Come", "Our Perception of Beauty" and "The Cold Science of Supremacy" by Jeff Kurtenacker from Wildstar. Also Into The Unknown from Wildstar. Though that one being emotional might be the context of the game being gone xD
If you look at the midi for the Crazy Bus title theme, you can see that it appears to be several tracks playing at the same time across 3 square channels. There's even a distinct "drum" track being played as audio notes.
Such a great guest. You have to have him back and show him everything
This guy needs to listen to the Portal 2 soundtrack if he appreciates the Crazy Bus theme. It takes that idea of discordant avant garde chip tune and does something absolutely spectacular with it. Try "Science Is Fun" or "Reconstructing More Science".
I see you've also reacted to Cara Mia Addio, the games sort of parody of Italian opera, but you listened to it out of context...and the context is so important for it. The game is primarily a comedy. The song is sung by the games common enemy type which are deliberately cute little AI controlled machine gun turrets. They are adorable death machines. In the plot of the game you've been trying to escape a facility controlled by an insane AI that is trying to kill you, often with these turrets. At the end of the game after deciding you are too hard to kill the AI lets you leave and the turrets are ordered to no longer shoot at you. The very end of the game is you getting stuck in a lift as it opens onto a room full of these turrets...but rather than shoot you, they start to sing.
You laughed at it, finding it funny that this archaic style of Opera was in a video game...but I don't think you understood that that was exactly what they were going for. It's written by AI turrets that are just becoming self aware. In your reaction you referred to a book you used to learn how to sing Italian opera, and how it reminded you of a Carra Mio Belle. I don't think you realise you hit the nail on the head....that is exactly the intent...the AI is learning how to sing and write music so they've written a song about you, the player, who inspired them and it's in the style of Italian opera for beginners. That's the joke. A 16th century Italian Opera joke in a sci-fi video game. I couldn't give a better example of the brilliance of the soundtrack. It's a masterpiece.
opening the video with Sins of the Father was the best thing you couldve done, such a fucking good song that makes Donna Burke truly shine.
We need more nikke music. That game has such great music. The new year's event theme with Scarlet was very nice, very emotional.
I've really only heard The Moving Fortress, which I like a lot. Are there other themes that sound intense and powerful as that one??
@@jonnygarcia5plenty of them mate
@@jonnygarcia5 Of course, Goddess of victory, the game's anthem, is powerful. Marco even made a video on it. The harvester's theme song i feel is also similar to Moving Fortress. It also depends on what vibes you're looking for. Colorless is angsty. Why does the world feel lifeless and empty, and will it stay like that when you grow up? Lucky Night is a bop, casino vibes.
“Let’s shift a gear here”
Clever
I can't take the sins of the father seriously anymore because of the meme 😂
26:02 I think the you "glazing" part also comes partly from knowing the background and refrences from this music to other in game music themes (like the Star Scourge Radahn theme for example). I think knowing that enhances the experience and appreciation for the piece. I am also a big fan of the "Pomised Consort" music track.
On the topic of the Promised Consort fight and the Urqopacha day theme.
This video was honestly the first time I heard the song for that fight, because when I fought it I was 90% focused on the gameplay and just registered there was music in the background.
For Urqopacha the theme is sometimes the main event, I have spent 5 or so hours in Urqopacha gathering materials for my crafting classes, running between 6 nodes and collecting items, it's such an automated task that all I really have to do is listen to the music.
They are both BGM's for a game, but one is set dressing and the other is a star actor, they perform different jobs and so one feels more original and the other has to quickly convey theme without being too distracting, but can quickly feel like you heard it before.
Considering all the talk about lyrics and context I think it would be interesting for you to take a look at splatoon's music. Somehow music where I don't speak the language hits me even harder and splatoon's literal nonsense still hits me in the feels with calamari inkantation or fly octo fly. I do acknowledge it might be the gameplay memory association though.
Would love to see more of Kevin, especially if you show him some Ultrakill songs and classics like songs from Knights of the Old Republic 2, but overall Kevin has deffo been the most interesting for someone (me) who has no "in" to the Opera or Classical music world.
I listened to this video like a podcast on my way to work and, ngl, I had a very hard time trying to distinguish who was talking at any moment lol, your voices and way of talking are very similar
Excellent video. Thanks for making it.
Glad you liked it!
Every time i hear "This is what you are" from Warframe it somehow gets better and better.
Damn, I’ve wanted to see you react to SMT music for ages but didn’t expect to see an ad for it. Hopefully you’ll have the chance to share you’re thoughts on the music sometime soon.
The original recording of the Metallica S&M live album with the SF Symphony is still one of my favourites. I have the record set and I still listen to it often. Imagine that for Guilty Gear
29:59 Big man is feeling it in his SOUL!! Love it
As a person who plays a ton of planet zoo (I have over 500 hours) it was really interesting seeing you react to the music, specifically what i would call the theme song of PZ. The lyrics in the theme song are all from the created language for the Planet games. I feel it serves as as a good showcase of the vibes of the game, just hearing it gets me in the relaxed creative mood.
holy shit, what a small world. I actually went to college with Kevin Ray - we were just acquaintances through some mutual friends, but he always seemed like a cool guy. glad to see him on the channel
Oh neat!
I was not expecting a deep chat about the crazy bus thing, the interesting thing is that he is actually right, is something that makes you feel something, just as a tv show, or game or anything
33:20 I love you so much for bringing this song to light. When I played through DT and heard this theme, I immediately went out of my way to grind 66 DIFFERENT FATES FOR IT, I thought it was that good. It's so tranquil, peaceful, and I love it dearly. I still think it's one of the better zone themes in the game now.
Thank you.
Yeah the Crazy Bus title screen is making me reconsider my life choices. I could have launched myself off the balcony instead of hearing it.
I know we all have our favorite songs that we really want to see in a video but I've pretty much scrolled through every one looking for the theme from Dry Dry Docks.
SM64 is GOATed. That’s my era.
what makes baka mitai and 24 hour cinderella so special in the yakuza karaoke lineup is just how much the composer hams it up and embraces the silliness. It's so over the top in your face in their respective genres that it's incredibly funny and still heartfelt
As someone who grew up in the American Southwest with a lot of proximity to Native American and Central/South American culture, Urqopacha in particular holds a special place in my heart. The flutes and drums are very similar to those used by the Mescalero Apache, and I could even envision the hand motions for both in my mind when I sit in the zone and just listen to the music.
thats tripping, they sound exactly the same !!!!
I've been kind of binge watching your reaction vids, and I really like how you break down the music. I have been a little surprised (or maybe not, if they aren't a game you like to play) about music you haven't reacted to. Final Fantasy X was heavily music driven (and I think you did react to the Zanarkand theme), as was Journey. And I'm really surprised you haven't reacted to the Skyrim theme. But it is possible you have, and I just missed them. I always think it's so wild how certain songs in video games can amp up the anxiety, or make you want to stay in a particular zone because of the music.
Those are all on the channel sort of! Journey especially! It’s one of my favs!
Yessss the Octopath representation is nourishment for my soul, more, MORE MUST KNOW!
Ohhohoho nothing could make me prouder than a singer hearing VGM and desiring to actually be a part of it. Wish him luck on that
Always will love these videos and you know I had to bump the volume for "those who deny the dawn". Such a great piece with phenomenal energy.
Also on a side point Marco, have you looked into Cytus at all? Its a rhythm game and it's chapter L composed by ICE feels like a full performance piece. There are no visuals just images/a name tied to each track but you can just imagine the entire plot off the music alone. Theres a nearly hour long video of the full chapter and it's always felt like a modern classical piece. Definitely recommend giving that video a listen!
Definitely love Cytus!