What you experienced with the white aircraft also happens in real life, for the same reasons. If the nose is pointed slightly upwards, the aircraft will climb until it begins to stall due to the thinner air at very high altitude and will then start to fall, but once it re-enters the thicker part of the atmosphere it will start climbing again, and the cycle can repeat indefinitely keeping the aircraft at a consistent average altitude. This is called "porpoising". Pretty cool that you managed to make it happen in Space Engineers, and even cooler that it turned out to be useful!
it's a great concept. Say you have a station in orbit and want to get there with minimal materials, this is the way to do it. Of course it has to be on a multiplayer server unless those ions are strong enough to carry both it and the carrier to space [highly doubt it]. i think it's a concept worth exploring. I think it's very practical especially on a cooperative sort of multiplayer.
Sorry to those folks on the Hitbox stream last night that have already seen this.. but the results were so surprising and honestly pretty cool that I just had to share it :)
***** The last would be finding a context to give it good use, the puppeteer to print fighter drones or a floating mid-air repair bay. also merge the 2 into 1 bigger ship with a nose capable of going into space and leave the "wings behind".... I has potential.
Me Gusta. Replace small black ship with two or three small remote controlled missiles, you now have an anti space-ship air-launched missile defense system that doesn't require hydrogen or atmospheric thrusters on the missiles...
thats what i was thinking, Sit in the black ship remotely controlling the white one, set up a timer block to sort out all the disconnection and at the same time set the white ship to fly back to a GPS position (or back and forth between a couple incase it wants to fall out of the sky!?). Alternatively you could use the parachute block mod and set the white bird to shut-off and deploy the chute, activating a beacon for future recovery. Alternatively you could set up a pay-load delivery system from the surface, having the black ship auto-pilot itself into orbit to wait for you to pick it up later. I've been thinking about a modular space station and fun ways to launch each piece so thanks for the enjoyable and informative vid as always Wastedspace!
My friend once rescued me when we were both flying small grid miners into space for the first time, i had placed one of my forward thrusters in a weird spot and it damaged my large cargo container which was between the hydrogen supply and the thrusters and my lcd told me i was losing altitude, so he comes and docks onto my ship mid-flight which had about 700k ice in it at the time and stops the fall. Then we grind down a part of my front lcd array to get the components to fix the cargo container and we grind down that thruster, mid-flight docking IS possible.
that is awesome mate... perfect for those who'd want a fast inexpensive way into space .. AND back again... with ease.. Nothing worse than constant crash landings.. and a trek and a half from your home base to go and get the supplies and/or salvage the crash site...
to clarify, hes not using Digi's wings, well i mean he IS but they have absolutely no effect on movement/speed than any other block of similar dimension does
what i think is this idea could be used (after reworking) to have the black ship be a cargo transport, and the white becomes a basic low resource method of getting it into space (or if your in space an easy way down) would be great for early game survival. start on planet take off into space find an asteroid, set up a mining base, return to planet. no hydrogen needed.
make four waypoints above the airfield and stick a remote control on the lifting craft. Then all you do is click autopilot on and it buggers off the go and circle the base instead of getting lost around the planet somewhere so when you end up back at base you can take over the remote and fly it down with a camera on the front or something.
It's practical in a sense if you have a bigger atmospheric ship that ferries a bunch of smaller space ships/drones to collect resources out in space so you don't have to lug a huge freighter out of the atmosphere every time. I can see it working if you have a crew.
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I did think that would be the obvious next step :) Can it be done in reverse essentially, a carrier space craft that drops and then re-docks with aero craft for combat deployment and cargo delivery etc :) Gonna have to try it!
I made a vanilla ship that can get to space without hydrogen thrusters or mods. I think it just has the right balance of atmo and Ion thrusters to make the transition from atmo to space. I haven't seen it done and wanted to try it. It is a large ship build.
I dont play enough to say for sure (looking for a good survival server) but i feel this is more practical than you say, this allows you to make a pure space vehicle and launch it from the ground with a reusable method without having to add unnecessary parts to a pure space vehicle.
Nice, yes I have noticed issues with connectors but it is a Keen issue. Happens in space too without any mods where a ship just loses all thrust control when it is near a connector.
Use in SE would be in Multiplayer, you need platinum to build that large escape ship, have taken out a pirate base or collected a little from a random drone? build something like this to get someone up to the moon with a container, some canned air and a good drill. and have them bring some back while the first person continues working on the major launch vehicle/satellite/star port initial construction.
+w4stedspace you are under valuing this thing, the issue of extraction can be solved by using the parasite craft to boost it to space, via hydrogen, also instead of the cockpit hoping, you can put a rc block in the Atmospheric craft and control from the parasite craft cockpit
You can also easily turn it into a one man version by using a merge block instead of a connector, and remove the cockpit from the first aircraft, basically turning the first aircraft into a disposable wing attachment.
I suspect the redocking issue is cockpits. Since you've got two master cockpits, the moment the connector snaps together, both cockpits are no longer masters. Maybe try flying the black one from a local remote so when you lock in, the white craft cockpit takes command, without the cockpit in the black one fighting it. Wheel lock like the safety lock on rotors? Perhaps when you hit you're suddenly going so fast that the system automatically locks it into place?
you could leave the connector strengths up, and just unlock and switch the connector off from the small ship, that way you wouldnt have to chase the small ship after leaving the larger one, and all from the tool bar :D
ok now a mother ship for these thing. planetary exploration or something. oooo they do sorta resemble death gliders. think stargate. oh extend the skis ad a couple roll-bar wheels, and dresser up like a war-bird. maybe another connector on top to nest them together or something.
Hey W4sted is it not possible to have the atmo ship to be set up for autopilot?? This way you can sit in the ion ship, trigger the autopilot, then once you reach the correct height you detach and fly off. After this your atmo ship turns around and lands back at base ^_^
+w4stedspace you should try out a mod called MArmOS, not just because i want to learn how to use it without directly asking you to ask me, but also because it would be really interesting to see what you would come up with.
i can't wait till you make an SSTO based plane that heavily relies on fuel and gliding, that'll be a very interesting kerbal approach to the challenge :p
If you used Whip's rotor VTOL script you could probably control the combined plane from the seat of the spaceplane so you don't need to switch cockpits when undocking.
Make the carrier a drone and fly the parisite, that way you could fly them both back without space master. you could even make the carrier run a GPS holding pattern over the main base or even automate the whole thing with scripts and timers.
Rather nifty concept to see rendered in space engineers. Could make for a viable method for getting cargo in to orbit without needing hydrogen thrusters
Very nice. But you don't even need engines when the magic floating ship bug kicks in. Just had this happen with a big ship. Space Engineers doesn't want to play today. :(
Given that connectors' strength is the lowest of the two, you could just leave the black one's connector to max and adjust the white one's as necessary for landed docking. Otherwise, very novel idea! Now I want to see the inverse, but with the space carrier launched by similar means. Carrier carrying a carrier!
I hadn't heard of Virgin Galactic's plane, rocket thing? :P But I have heard of XCor and their plans for a passenger shuttle, mainly because it's in an airport in the same region as me, space travel for the average Joe is coming, and it's coming quick. This thing looks kind of cool, I'm thinking of getting Space engineers soon, so I may try it for fun one-day-not-too-far-in-the-future.
I'm surprised two large ions can still give it lift - they should work once you break atmo but still having power in atmo at 30% should make it drop. Oh well, it's still a fun little design ;)
cool! I was trying to make a no engine glider that could be launched from space and land safely with this mod, couldn't do it, you should have a go at it if you want.
you can drop drones using that aircraft as a carrier if it was longer you could have 2 or 3 drones or to send fake sos signals in to space to get other players attention and then whene they get to it they will find more people like them and fight over it.
also is it possible to rig the carrier plane you made to automatically activate a remote block that makes it return to base after you've ejected from it? perhaps a sensor that detects when the black craft is seperated from the carrier, that could work as the activation for the remote block to start a route.. hopefully it won't need any scripting and no more than one timer block at most.. thats another thing that could be interesting, the goal is to make every piece of hardware re-usable after all :)
i guess there kinda is a purpose if you just want to get into space without too much effort or something. of course, then you'd be out in space pretty much without anything except what you have on your character but maybe that's just how some people would like to do it.
I was thinking, because the planets have real spherical gravity that act on a ship even in space, couldn't you put a ship into an orbit around the planet?
That's pretty cool. Why are you fiddling with the connector settings every time they hook up? Why not just unlock and then turn off the connector on the white ship?
I really like the idea, but having said that, wouldn't you be better off just using a ship with ion thrusters and atmospheric thrusters? In the video you demonstrated that atmospheric thrusters begin to fail where ion thrusters take over, so you would be perfectly fine using a hybrid.
Jonathan Mobley That's true but you could most likely fit small hydrogen engines onto it if you re-design the ship. either way its a lot cheaper than a giant rocket.
Shouldn't you remote control the white ship from the black ship? You wouldn't have to manually switch cockpits mid-air.
Great concept, gets me excited for things working right in SE. Let's put Engineering back into Space Engineers, shall we? XD
engineering in space engineers??? heresy :P
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What you experienced with the white aircraft also happens in real life, for the same reasons. If the nose is pointed slightly upwards, the aircraft will climb until it begins to stall due to the thinner air at very high altitude and will then start to fall, but once it re-enters the thicker part of the atmosphere it will start climbing again, and the cycle can repeat indefinitely keeping the aircraft at a consistent average altitude. This is called "porpoising". Pretty cool that you managed to make it happen in Space Engineers, and even cooler that it turned out to be useful!
it's a great concept. Say you have a station in orbit and want to get there with minimal materials, this is the way to do it. Of course it has to be on a multiplayer server unless those ions are strong enough to carry both it and the carrier to space [highly doubt it]. i think it's a concept worth exploring. I think it's very practical especially on a cooperative sort of multiplayer.
i'd love to see a station assembled from modules brought up by a space plane ala the ISS.
Can't you just have a ship with atm. Thrusters and Ions To get to Space ? I Use Speed unlimited and i can get to Space with atm. Only
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I've seen someone build one of those.
Sorry to those folks on the Hitbox stream last night that have already seen this.. but the results were so surprising and honestly pretty cool that I just had to share it :)
There are still some small changes, i remember the black fish having 4 ions in the back, glad to see the idea already improving.
Well, in my timezone (EST), your night is our afternoon meaning I'd've missed your stream on a weekday.
hehe yeah karras, as always it has some small changes still :) But still you guys saw most of!
***** The last would be finding a context to give it good use, the puppeteer to print fighter drones or a floating mid-air repair bay. also merge the 2 into 1 bigger ship with a nose capable of going into space and leave the "wings behind"....
I has potential.
Is Space Master a mod or a ingame feature?
I want to see bomber version of the white bird. looks perfect for bomber use with that giant space under it
Me Gusta. Replace small black ship with two or three small remote controlled missiles, you now have an anti space-ship air-launched missile defense system that doesn't require hydrogen or atmospheric thrusters on the missiles...
Nice. That would be the cheapest way. Could even have them controlled from the ground.
this is really cool , but how about using a remote control block to control the white stage from the black stage
thats what i was thinking, Sit in the black ship remotely controlling the white one, set up a timer block to sort out all the disconnection and at the same time set the white ship to fly back to a GPS position (or back and forth between a couple incase it wants to fall out of the sky!?). Alternatively you could use the parachute block mod and set the white bird to shut-off and deploy the chute, activating a beacon for future recovery. Alternatively you could set up a pay-load delivery system from the surface, having the black ship auto-pilot itself into orbit to wait for you to pick it up later. I've been thinking about a modular space station and fun ways to launch each piece so thanks for the enjoyable and informative vid as always Wastedspace!
My friend once rescued me when we were both flying small grid miners into space for the first time, i had placed one of my forward thrusters in a weird spot and it damaged my large cargo container which was between the hydrogen supply and the thrusters and my lcd told me i was losing altitude, so he comes and docks onto my ship mid-flight which had about 700k ice in it at the time and stops the fall. Then we grind down a part of my front lcd array to get the components to fix the cargo container and we grind down that thruster, mid-flight docking IS possible.
that is awesome mate... perfect for those who'd want a fast inexpensive way into space .. AND back again... with ease..
Nothing worse than constant crash landings.. and a trek and a half from your home base to go and get the supplies and/or salvage the crash site...
cool design, love all this concept building recently
Was a very interesting stream, and a very good idea that was executed near flawlessly.
Stay inspired!
If you want to reduce the sideways motion, try using vertical fins.
if he was just using Digi's wings that'ed work, but with this mode they would add extra drag.
to clarify, hes not using Digi's wings, well i mean he IS but they have absolutely no effect on movement/speed than any other block of similar dimension does
I'm so glad I was there for the stream, but this revision of it looks and operates so much better. Nicely done w4stedspace!
what i think is this idea could be used (after reworking) to have the black ship be a cargo transport, and the white becomes a basic low resource method of getting it into space (or if your in space an easy way down) would be great for early game survival.
start on planet take off into space find an asteroid, set up a mining base, return to planet. no hydrogen needed.
make four waypoints above the airfield and stick a remote control on the lifting craft. Then all you do is click autopilot on and it buggers off the go and circle the base instead of getting lost around the planet somewhere so when you end up back at base you can take over the remote and fly it down with a camera on the front or something.
Wow nice work W4sted!
W4sted! There's a script that makes blocks slowly break down, it's called the block degrading
It's practical in a sense if you have a bigger atmospheric ship that ferries a bunch of smaller space ships/drones to collect resources out in space so you don't have to lug a huge freighter out of the atmosphere every time. I can see it working if you have a crew.
i would like to see more of this idea expanded on and kept going
that is so awesome w4sted I need to try this mod
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Awesome Design!
It would be interesting to see a parasite version of a Broadsword or a Rapier, and to see how you would set that up.
I did think that would be the obvious next step :) Can it be done in reverse essentially, a carrier space craft that drops and then re-docks with aero craft for combat deployment and cargo delivery etc :) Gonna have to try it!
Awesome! Excited to see it, man!
I made a vanilla ship that can get to space without hydrogen thrusters or mods. I think it just has the right balance of atmo and Ion thrusters to make the transition from atmo to space. I haven't seen it done and wanted to try it. It is a large ship build.
I like it, I play with the realism mods so good job
Interesting exercise. Very creative.
You guys should do this in Season 2. It would be really useful, and it's very legit.
You come up with the coolest stuff man
I dont play enough to say for sure (looking for a good survival server) but i feel this is more practical than you say, this allows you to make a pure space vehicle and launch it from the ground with a reusable method without having to add unnecessary parts to a pure space vehicle.
the carrier plane reminds me of the imperial shuttle from Star wars. really awesome wasted.
Nice, yes I have noticed issues with connectors but it is a Keen issue. Happens in space too without any mods where a ship just loses all thrust control when it is near a connector.
Use in SE would be in Multiplayer, you need platinum to build that large escape ship, have taken out a pirate base or collected a little from a random drone? build something like this to get someone up to the moon with a container, some canned air and a good drill. and have them bring some back while the first person continues working on the major launch vehicle/satellite/star port initial construction.
I always seed my planetary survival games by dropping a few ships randomly across the planet from orbit. Thrusters often survive and can be harvested.
very much like, good job w4sted
You never cease to amaze and entertain w4sted, keep up the good work and the nifty ideas.
You should use this setup in your series with Morph!
hmmm, the shuttle part can land at 30m/s? this is gonna make rovers interesting.
Wasted could you upload it to the workshop, and maybe add a RC block to the top part for control from the bottom one.
+w4stedspace you are under valuing this thing, the issue of extraction can be solved by using the parasite craft to boost it to space, via hydrogen, also instead of the cockpit hoping, you can put a rc block in the Atmospheric craft and control from the parasite craft cockpit
nice dude I like the concept
I've never had that game run so smooth. Is this the result of some miracle update?
keemstar the fat loser Taking after your role model, I see.
You can also easily turn it into a one man version by using a merge block instead of a connector, and remove the cockpit from the first aircraft, basically turning the first aircraft into a disposable wing attachment.
I suspect the redocking issue is cockpits. Since you've got two master cockpits, the moment the connector snaps together, both cockpits are no longer masters. Maybe try flying the black one from a local remote so when you lock in, the white craft cockpit takes command, without the cockpit in the black one fighting it.
Wheel lock like the safety lock on rotors? Perhaps when you hit you're suddenly going so fast that the system automatically locks it into place?
you could leave the connector strengths up, and just unlock and switch the connector off from the small ship, that way you wouldnt have to chase the small ship after leaving the larger one, and all from the tool bar :D
i kinda wanna see these ships on the work shop as well as the ship you used for the planet re entry thats covered in hydrogen thrusters
nice work
This made me very very happy to watch for some reason.
Maybe when you try to do the re-dock thing, you could use a censor to auto dock?
+w4stedspace Great design! Waiting to see it on the survival series :D (like going to repair an old satellite in orbit or something like that ;D)
ok now a mother ship for these thing. planetary exploration or something. oooo they do sorta resemble death gliders. think stargate. oh extend the skis ad a couple roll-bar wheels, and dresser up like a war-bird. maybe another connector on top to nest them together or something.
make a bomber out of it!! great video w4stedspace!!
Hey W4sted is it not possible to have the atmo ship to be set up for autopilot?? This way you can sit in the ion ship, trigger the autopilot, then once you reach the correct height you detach and fly off. After this your atmo ship turns around and lands back at base ^_^
That batman sign shaped shadow under the carrier part whet it landed
+w4stedspace you should try out a mod called MArmOS, not just because i want to learn how to use it without directly asking you to ask me, but also because it would be really interesting to see what you would come up with.
Could be an interesting surface to orbit interceptor. maybe replace the bottom part with some sort of guided missile/light fighter?
i can't wait till you make an SSTO based plane that heavily relies on fuel and gliding, that'll be a very interesting kerbal approach to the challenge :p
you could kinda use it as a "skydive plane glider" carrier to launch gliders up high in the air kinda like planes carry skydivers high up
If you used Whip's rotor VTOL script you could probably control the combined plane from the seat of the spaceplane so you don't need to switch cockpits when undocking.
i wouldn't have thought that'd work with gyros, given the behaviour of rotor turrets, so i think that might be a little hard to control.
Make the carrier a drone and fly the parisite, that way you could fly them both back without space master. you could even make the carrier run a GPS holding pattern over the main base or even automate the whole thing with scripts and timers.
maybe a concept you can work on a drop pod that can land on planets (make it as tactical as possible and make it require as less materials as possible
Rather nifty concept to see rendered in space engineers. Could make for a viable method for getting cargo in to orbit without needing hydrogen thrusters
Very nice. But you don't even need engines when the magic floating ship bug kicks in. Just had this happen with a big ship. Space Engineers doesn't want to play today. :(
It's......beautiful
hi Wasted, you could save yourself some hassle by using remote control block on the carrier aircraft and pilot it from the parasite
Slant the wings out on the front edges a bit and it'd look a bit like a Bird of Prey lol.
Paraphrasing:
"You must be wondering how I landed both of them, when there's only one of me.
I cheated. What did you expect?"
The application of this could be a kamikaze type deal with the black one as a warhead with the mod the speed would make it better than most explosives
Thats an excellent build! yeah, not the best design, but if it works man, it works! Looking forward to the next one Wasted!
I was thinking you would put a remote control block!
I love those streams,but,i would like a play list with it, cuz when i miss one is hard to find
Given that connectors' strength is the lowest of the two, you could just leave the black one's connector to max and adjust the white one's as necessary for landed docking. Otherwise, very novel idea! Now I want to see the inverse, but with the space carrier launched by similar means. Carrier carrying a carrier!
Thanks!
I hadn't heard of Virgin Galactic's plane, rocket thing? :P But I have heard of XCor and their plans for a passenger shuttle, mainly because it's in an airport in the same region as me, space travel for the average Joe is coming, and it's coming quick.
This thing looks kind of cool, I'm thinking of getting Space engineers soon, so I may try it for fun one-day-not-too-far-in-the-future.
so cool
I'm surprised two large ions can still give it lift - they should work once you break atmo but still having power in atmo at 30% should make it drop. Oh well, it's still a fun little design ;)
Nice!
I loved it, a lot.
Could you plleeeeaaasse upload this to the workshop? When I watched this video, I got really inspired and excited to test it out myself
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cool! I was trying to make a no engine glider that could be launched from space and land safely with this mod, couldn't do it, you should have a go at it if you want.
I need this on the workshop..
Whenever I see something like this, I think of Blue Midget and how I'd use a merge block instead of a connector so things will be properly aligned.
you can drop drones using that aircraft as a carrier if it was longer you could have 2 or 3 drones or to send fake sos signals in to space to get other players attention and then whene they get to it they will find more people like them and fight over it.
Have you considered locking the wheels as soon as the top is lined up before uping the magnetism on the bottom connector?
Turn it around have it like dock top side maybe that helps.
And when it lands it...stops dead in its tracks.....HAHAHAHA :' D
try taking off with the white part with a remote control block so you don't have to to the "dogy maneuver"
also is it possible to rig the carrier plane you made to automatically activate a remote block that makes it return to base after you've ejected from it? perhaps a sensor that detects when the black craft is seperated from the carrier, that could work as the activation for the remote block to start a route.. hopefully it won't need any scripting and no more than one timer block at most.. thats another thing that could be interesting, the goal is to make every piece of hardware re-usable after all :)
If you could make high speed dropships to crash land pods of Marines to the ground or astroids and have it survivable that would be a fun experience.
I dunno about the little one, but the big one could be used as-is for atmospheric lotus delivery. So, not completely useless, and cool either way.
awesome,
you could use it to deliver a cargo rocket to space
i guess there kinda is a purpose if you just want to get into space without too much effort or something. of course, then you'd be out in space pretty much without anything except what you have on your character but maybe that's just how some people would like to do it.
I was thinking, because the planets have real spherical gravity that act on a ship even in space, couldn't you put a ship into an orbit around the planet?
>How am I supposed to do it otherwise?
Is it not possible to get out, get in your OTHER cockpit first and disengage from the 2nd craft?
This thing makes X-43 (an aircraft launched from the bottom of another aircraft developed for test purposes.)
That's pretty cool.
Why are you fiddling with the connector settings every time they hook up? Why not just unlock and then turn off the connector on the white ship?
You could totally set a drone script to have the carrier craft land itself.
I really like the idea, but having said that, wouldn't you be better off just using a ship with ion thrusters and atmospheric thrusters? In the video you demonstrated that atmospheric thrusters begin to fail where ion thrusters take over, so you would be perfectly fine using a hybrid.
i would love to see a ground assault drone
This is why they added remote control blocks
Time to build a NASA space shuttle, the Kennedy Space Launch Center and the Space Launch System. Launch the shuttle into orbit and land her back down.
I dont think its useless, its cheap spaceflight and landing, perfect for just starting to go out into space.
The only problem with that is that you need platinum to build it, and as far as I know you can only get platinum after going to space.
Jonathan Mobley That's true but you could most likely fit small hydrogen engines onto it if you re-design the ship. either way its a lot cheaper than a giant rocket.
until u get a modded planet with no ice but platinum on it. then this is ur only way to get to space.
@Eccofire fair point. @dalkgamler if that's the case, than this entire conversation is a moot point.