The Truth about 2022 & 2023 Coyote V8 Part 2 Important updated Info
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- Warning this video is what I did to prove where the horsepower was lost. I am not telling you to do likewise. This video is focused on an emissions control device so only proceed IF you understand any potential legal consequences.
The MAF calculates air flow based on the diameter of the tube being a fixed size. IF you change the diameter of the tube the calculation is wrong. By removing the insert you’ve increased the diameter of the tube without telling the ECU. This could lead to more airflow than the ECU can adjust for and you end up running a bit lean.
Reinserting the tube corrects this and returns the total fuel trim to be less than that 10%
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Ty for the update . I will be picking up my 22 Mach this Friday
Thanks for sharing this Tony, I'm lucky because I'm in Texas, own a 2022 GT fighter jet gray with 100 miles in the garage, I'm subscribed to your channel for all the great tips and tricks.
Thank you for subscribing and I made a GT video as that airbox is a bit different than the Mach 1. You can find it here: th-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/w-d-xo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I mean Mach 1 2022 Fighter Jet Gray
@@flopezconde05 Ok got ya then you are right video just make sure to watch part 2.
@@flopezconde05 That is correct because Fighter Jet Gray is exclusive for the Mach 1 !
Thanks for posting. I removed mine completely - also did an x pipe...got CEL today - everything running fine but my code reader is out of pocket at the moment. Going to re-insert the sleeve without the filter and see if that does the trick.
Thanks for watching. I did some data logging and everything looks as it should. I'm at 1% percent fuel trim long & short with the tube back in. Even with the tube out I was only at 8%. Maybe something happened with an O2 sensor harness during the Xpipe install?
@Tony's Fords and Mustangs that could be a possibility for sure! Will report back my findings. Keep up the great content!
@@7P4MBH Please do! Merry Christmas!
@Tony's Fords and Mustangs well what a great Christmas/Birthday gift to receive other than the CEL resolving itself after about maybe 75 - 100 miles of driving with the sleeve back in w/o trap. Nearing my 1000 miles break in completion sitting at nearly 750 miles - this is an amazingly fun car and have never been this satisfied with a purchase.
Anyway - thanks again, just wanted others that may run into the issue with their 22 know my experience.
Merry Christmas Tony and have a safe Happy Mew Year!
@@7P4MBH Same for me
Thanks Tony
Thank you….
Thank you for watching!
Rock on sir!
I'm guessing, (hoping) that this applies to a sweet little 23 I bought for my wife as well??? Lol
Yes it does apply to a 23 and make sure to watch all the videos in the series as I was learning as I went. I quickly made a second video the next day after data logging. There is a second step you need to do to keep everything as it should be.
Just pulled mine out, call me crazy but I felt like I can tell a difference! Only drove 20 miles but no issues.
I put it on a dyno so you know your not crazy. :)
@@TonysFordsandMustangs well 1k miles later and still zero issues. I'm going to be swapping out the resonator for an H pipe next week, I am curious if that affects it any further with the additional change to air flow. Might consider a tune after that?
@@tharagz08 I think you might pick up a couple of torque but the resonator isn't the issue with the exhaust side. Once you cut it out you will see it's striaght through. There's some weight savings as well but it's mostly sound thing.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs ok awesome, thanks!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Yeah but a MUCH better sound for sure
Thanks, short but cool job.
No problem
Thank you!
thank you for watching!
I'm only asking because I have seen this question specifically answered yet. I also made it through only half of the comments before creating this one, so sorry if I missed it. Did this require a tune or ECU calibration in addition to removing the filter?
Hey Nick. No it did not. I'm glad you watched the follow up video. I was learning as I went along. Here's one more with 2,500 miles of data logging. th-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/w-d-xo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Watching it now, appreciate the link and videos. Keep 'em up!
So I should be fine doing this without a tune correct
That's what a couple hundred other users are saying.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs so it’s torn down now and I can’t get that tube out to save my life
@@BDRslayer you have to pull mass air flow sensor and remove the tube. You need 3 screwdrivers under the tabs on the filter side at the same time and push on the HC filter to get the tube out once it's out getting the filter off is easy. Then put the tube back in making sure it snaps into place.
this wasn't true. But you to watch the follow up videos. 😉
Hey Tony, I have a 2020 Bullitt is this the same restrictor?
Thanx,Jeff
Jeff, Thanks for watching and I would say no your car doesn't have a HC Trap. I didn't have it in my 2021and the horsepower figures for your car mirrored that car.
Thanks for the update. It would be good to know if anyone gets a warning light with the filter removed?
I only heard of one person with a GT getting check engine light. I think the tube size being correct in the ECU should square that away.
Removed, drove it all day, no issues, the increase is a bit more frantic acceleration in the mid to top, still very well mannered putting around town…No check engine lights. Thank you Tony!!!!
I just got my 2023 mustang GT S550. I pulled apart the cold air intake and the hydrocarbon trap was not there. However the vehicle is still rated at 450 horsepower. Any idea what the deal with the 2023s are?
Disclaimer: I'm not a mechanic.
Yes I do know where it's located. You have a closed airbox set up so it's bit different. Here's your video th-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/w-d-xo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thank you for the help! It's appreciated.
@@ndawg87 Thanks for watching!
+17% on fuel trims is a lot!! Almost no room for a splash of E-85 😳
With the tube back in it's under 10 so..
FYI I'm at 1% after a 2,300 mile trip. Long and short.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs would you recommend running an aftermarket no tune required CAI for a 2022 GT or would that go over 10% fuel trim ?
@@Oliver-ft2fq Sure, they are the expensive way to get rid of the HC trap but it shouldn't change Fuel trim numbers. they measure tube diameter where Mass Air Flow sensor is mounted in order to make it "No Tune". The cheap way is to find a 21 and back lid. th-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/w-d-xo.html
Should the Mach 1 get a catch can?? I been told yes, and I’ve been told only if you’re tracking it, I’ve also been told yes no matter if it’s just for the streets or the track but I’ve also heard no, because it voids warranty..?
It's really up to you. The cars fuel injection system is designed so that you don't actually need one. That said I have one on the passenger side and it does catch oil. Once again I suggest you check out my playlist on the Mach 1 and thanks for watching! th-cam.com/play/PLz2M3b_orpr3WOr2d853is8S6hubCkoqD.html
well you have such great content and information I really appreciate it I have a 22 Mach 1 same color I believe but I would love to see a video on how to actually remove the inside tube out of the intake I know you said you put screwdrivers in it was that from the rear and you sleep three long screwdrivers in there and then pull it out or how exactly it comes out thank you I'm a little Leary with fooling with my brand new expensive car but I really want to do this and I live in Florida so it's legal
3 screwdrivers go in the tabs in the front, towards the filter you pry those up a bit and you push from the back on the trap itself to remove the tube. HC trap comes off tube snaps back in job done
Any idea if the 2024 cars have this carbon trap? I noticed they rated them at 480 horse but the toque peak is still down compared to what the 2021 5.0 was rated at.
No idea until I see one.
Another great video Tony! I'm going to do what you did in this video while I'm waiting for my tuner. Quick question, is it possible to remove that hydrocarbon trap from the inner tube by just taking the top lid off the air filter and sliding it out without removing the entire cold air intake?
Thanks you and no sir it isn't possible. The HC Trap is attached to the tube. So the tube needs pulled and trap can come off and the tube reinserted.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs thanks for the reply, what I meant was the outer tube does not need to be pulled and detached from the throttle body correct? Just the inner tube needs to come out correct?
@@wesd2845 I will be doing mine today or tomorrow, did you have to remove the unit from the throttle body to pull the tube out?
@@claywhicker8549 Yes you have to completely remove it. All the tools you need is a torx bit to remove the MAF sensor and it's either a 12 or 13 mil deep socket to remove the top part of the air filter. The most challenging part was removing the inner tube. I had to take three table knives and put them under each tab simultaneously and then push it from the back. Tony uses a screwdrivers but I found the table knives were more flexible and easier to use. Make sure you put the inner tube back in without the filter because if you don't put the inner tube back in it'll throw off your fuel trims.
@@wesd2845 Thanks!
My car identifies are emissions free so I’m good 🙂
Anyone know if you can still order one or if dealers are marking up orders?
You may but you you had better be quick about it. I'm not sure IF there will be a 2023 yet or not. I think we will find out a lot more Wednesday night after the 2024 is revealed. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 2023 half year run with the 2024's be sold mid summer but I don't know if the Mach 1's will be a part of that or not.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs ya not much of a mustang guy but this car recently came up on my radar. Drove one and was impressed, for the money great car but not paying over MSRP. Just worried Mach 1s might go away with the new launch. This package is perfect for an everyday car I can take to the track.
Guess we will find out in a few days. Hope they keep the coyote as well, Im not into being an early adopter of new platforms.
@@dhyskRand The Coyote is a given. You can count on that
Pulling the insert out of the tube between filter and the throttle body doesnt change the diameter.
What changes is the velocity and volume of air that moves through the tube. Thats what your MAF sensor is detecting.
Its why steeda had such a long R&D process with early cold air intakes for gen 3 coyotes.
You took the pipe out and put the same one back in. It didnt get any fatter or skinnier. Same inner and outer diameter. Just volume and flow changes is all....
Originally I did not put the inner sleeve that holds the HC Trap back in and my fuel trims were off (Video One). Minus the inner sleeve the diameter of the intake tube is quite a bit larger at the mass air flow sensor and the car would occasionally bog on acceleration. Once I reinstalled the insert minus the trap everything went back to normal. Steeda has a lot more resources and knowledge than I do but I can tell you that if you don't reinstall the sleeve your fuel trims will be off by 10% or more.
I have a 2022 Mach 1 handling pack and watched your last video and removed the restrictor and I’ve been daily driving it for 11 days now with no check engine light. I will let you know if I do get one but I don’t think I will it should have already popped up I feel like.
I just finished a 5 day 1,800 mile trip, with track time at multiple tracks with no issues. Did some data logging along the way and everything looks good.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Hi Tony, did you have the tube reinserted during your trip / track days? I removed the whole tube from mine, curious if any check engine light from running rich.
@@UnitedNaishuns Yes and put the tube back in minus the trap. Your trim will be 8 to 9% with it out.
Guess I better put the tube back in - 🙄
If the car is acting a little off that would be why.
Interesting…way to choke off an engine for no real measurable difference. I paid (as we all did) a gas guzzler penalty for my 2021 6 speed car that is consistently getting me 17-18 mpg in the city. At least it looks like the engineers were thinking thru this carbon trap and tube.
The gas guzzler comes from the transmission being a tremec. Only one overdrive of 6th vs the MT82 having both 5th and 6th as overdrive.
@@cameronsund5477 well aware of why, just pointing out it is ludicrous. As is the carbon trap.
Yeah right.
I wonder if someone will take that tube out and compensate on the tune with the stock air box
That would be interesting because some intakes run a wider tube for more airflow
does a 2015 mustang gt have this as well ?
These are only on 2022's and up.
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can you show more detail on the removal of the trap ? I can not get the tube out of the intake
Did you remove entire air intake? If yes all 3 tabs need to be up at the same time, then you push on the trap from the throttle body side. I can't really be more descriptive than that.
Just took mine off my Mach I’ll keep you updated
Thanks for watching Nathan and you will be fine... as long as you watch part two and three in the series you should be.
I'll be doing this tomorrow night(taking delivery tomorrow afternoon)! Thanks! New subscriber here.
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