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If they’re gonna test the waters with anyone, I’d say send in the Indonesians first. We’ve already seen what the Indonesian fans can do if they wrong one of the talents.
i think i heard somewhere that fucking with the indonesian fanbase is a big mistake
is that true?
Irrelevant, I know, but nice Conrail pfp 👌
thanks youtube for removing my comment
i think i heard once that messing with the indonesian fanbase is a b i g mistake
is that true?
@@bowserjrimacasualshutup6754youtube comment moderation system is messed up, I have had many comments deleted even when they are positive and constructive criticism. They should fix this, when the bot comments are getting much more exposure! In fact, the best way I think comments would get exposure is to either claim you are first, or give a generic if this comment gets likes challenge….
@@redfoxblacksocks thank you very much
This really could end either way. For Kobo and everyone else’s sake, I hope it ends well.
Please, let there be no harassment. Just let everyone be chill and enjoy the rain girl.
Depends on Chinese if they spread their CCP propaganda again
I hope that it ends well, too. However, it probably won't.
When it comes to the Chinese, no matter the case or scenario, unless you find truly kind Chinese who do exist, they are definitely the angriest Asians you'll ever meet. And I know because I'm from Hawaii. Many Asians in Hawaii and while Filipino can get angry, Chinese are a whole different level.. Maybe it's how they're brought up. It's usually a misunderstanding but yeah they always negative..
@BlackReaps same because I do want to see them be able to play hsr and hi3
kobo's geography and world politics knowledge isn't very high. what's stopping her from making a random comment about Hong Kong, Taiwan or the SEA territory disputes?
I wonder how hololive will deal with the antis swarming into streams. Maybe they made a deal where holo mods will deal with it internally? who knows
FWIW I didn't notice any particular anti uptick in Kobo's stream when she played FNAF earlier today
@@franzise3605the antis were all En "fans" in some comments on chat and in the comment section... Ironically, the chinese comments and donos during the stream were happy normal fans.
@@SpookyTree255 CN "fans" will not be reacting when you stream normally. But ONCE you said anything they don't like, BOOM, there you will see how QUICKLY all those "happy normal fans" turned against you like a serial k*ller hunting its prey.
@@SpookyTree255They looked normal yeah... until you said something they don't like. You gonna see how QUICKLY those "happy normal fans" turn against you like a wild beast hunting a deer with no mercy. Those people has 0 loyalty towards their Vtuber Oshi.
@@Cosmoman78 to be fair, that happens a whole lot in the EN and JP side as well, just look at those freacking unicorns...
Kobo's cover photo on Twitter feels like a mood.
being an Indonesian in the first place already 1 of a strongest plot armor in the vtubing scene lmao
emg ny iy y? gw agak out of the loop. emg ny plot armor indo apa?
Ran a quick translate on her b2 comments and they were nothing but receptive like how easy it was to understand her English, lots of memes, and how cute she was.
Love to see the positive direction this rebirth of a relationship this is having.
And here on youtube and X some "oh so good and heroic" Western fans are being racist 💀. People need to understand not all Chinese are antis and not all Japanese are gachikoi.
CN bros were always wholesome, it's just that they were lumped together with the CN antis during the Taiwan incident, hell they were initially the ones who leaked the HoloCN traitors only for them to get harrassed because "Chinese = Bad", they literally risked being harassed by their own people to help only to get harrassed themselves by the people they tried to help, in the end they proved their loyalty by providing the document which pretty much exposed majority of the CN talents (and indirectly protected Spade and Yogiri by not mentioning them as part of the traitors)
Of course they are "friendly". After the Coco incident & Holo quit China, Chinese whos still watch Holo content are either having no idea what happened before (highly unlikely) or traitors （Chinese nationalist/little pink perspective).
@@MidTechiesEnjoyer As a Chinese Holo fan, thank you for your warm comments. However, Bilibili or the Chinese netizen as a whole has changed a lot in the past 10 years, even more so during the pandemic. The attempt to return to Bilibili, whether if it is just for the event or for long-term, is not a wise choice by Cover. The vtuber market on that platform is sinking since Hololive left. There was a few booms when Vox Akuma has a huge Chinese market, but that has also been gone for a while (even before when Selen got terminated this year).
As for so-called return to Chinese market:
Most of us who was on Coco and Hololives' side during Taiwan incident have access to TH-cam. Since TH-cam doesn't support CNY supas, most of us were sending supas in foreign currencies, and since most of the vtubers doesn't speak Chinese, we wrote comments in English and Japanese. That is the main reason why most of the oversea fans doesn't notice our existence. So my point is, the "Chinese market" is HERE on youtube. Hololive has NEVER left the Chinese market. They made a decision to move away from a toxic platform called Bilibili, and disbanded a group of vtubers that they CANNOT directly manage (also with half of they being traitors). Both decisions were to provide a better environment for BOTH the oversea viewers AND the Chinese viewers. Forcing the talents to go back to Bilibili is also a BETRAY to all of us, the Chinese fans who has supportted Cover and Hololive this far.
Therefore, it doesn't matter whether if the CN bros are wholesome or not, there is absolutely no point for Cover to return to Bilibili. Won't make much money, much higher risk, hurts the feeling of both Taiwanese fans and Chinese fans.
@@MidTechiesEnjoyerThe only question is how many got disillusioned. The proportion of antis must have changed
The issue is that this has been announced, people already knew weeks ago that matsuri and kobo were doing an event on bilibili, so people can complain about a supposed lack of transparency from cover but people are forgetting that the talents are allowed to accept invitations and bilibili probably approached cover to see who would be willing to join. And one last thing, matsuri was around at that point too, us fans were upset but the talents got it 99.99% worse than anyone else so if she is willing to do it im willing to trust kobo and matsuri's judgement.
More fans are right to be worried because the Chinese has a tendency to do entrapment schemes.
You might never know when they will twist the narrative against the agency since their antis still hate the taiwan thing.
Nah f*ck em! You don't shake someone's hands after they killed your dog. They're beyond stupid for this for real.
there is a big difference between 'i will participate in a single event' and 'i am going to generally stream on a separate platform that is historically incredibly hostile'
It’s like the fans are war veterans. Trauma and PTSD after the war that was the Taiwan incident.
I’m fully expecting the talents to be banned from interacting on the site if anything happens again.
Edit: I respectfully retract my statement about the ID fans.
I was there when Coco was still around and unfortunately she had to follow Haachama's mistake on analytics. China forgave Haachama bit not Coco. I heard she got bad rep even before she did the analytic. Well China aren't much for Americans..
KFP made sure Kiara and other Myth didn't enter into the same drama as Coco did. We were cautious like a SC is a landmine. One odd SC could ruin it all. In a way be proud that us veterans really made sure Hololive English didn't end up in China hate.
As of now there is no real harassement battle yet, but ID bros are on guard bc it seems most of them dont care about the B2 stream, and the only little fights on twitter are, ironically, ID bros vs EN antis, but nothing from the CN side.
@@SpookyTree255 would be ironic if the harassment started by EN antis instead of CN, though I hope it's just a ripple that will calm down soon. Best move right now is to standby if anything happen in their chat, and do the usual RBI.
@@thegreatbeavers I would hope that Cover bars the EN girls from streaming on Bilibili, if only out of fear of any major backlash. Sure, that sounds bad, but at the same time, at least half of the EN branch are Americans, and that alone will make any B2 stream volatile enough.
"they shielded her heavily" we're not even trying bruh
Kobo is not Kaichou, true. But the Cover of today is not the Cover of Kaichou's era. They've had a long time to prepare how these things might play out in the future, and I'm sure they're closely watching the situation and hopefully providing Kobo with support and guidance.
@@disiliminirnonunDisappointingly, after Kobo's debut on bilibili, it was the EN side that harassed her, even calling her hurtful words like "wh*re."
One thing you also have to understand: Kobo is not Coco
Her fanbase is entirely different and far more protective and fanatical. If Kobo gets the same bad treatment, the chinese sisters are going to have veyr Angry SEA fans to deal with who do not play by the same politeness rules.
It is a litteral hornets nest.
It doesn't matter that Kobo isn't Coco. Coco had a huge dedicated audience too. The concern is a repeat of last time which would mean innocent members of Hololive impacted, not just those directly involved. Not that having a protective fanbase would matter. The fanbase can't really control vile crap being posted to twitter tags, doxxing, and spamming their chat (even getting around features that protect you from that). It's pretty simple: trust in the company will plummet if it happens. I will say focusing on people like Kobo as far as blame is nonsense when it's all on Cover if something goes wrong.
Most people don't care about Kobo,if she gets in problems is by her own actions,the problem here is if that incident affects other members like it happened with Coco
You have to understand that Hololive is also far better prepared for a shit storm if it hits afterwards. And SEA bros will literally annihilate West Taiwan trolls and the Western fans will rally.
The problem that we fighting againts bot later. But Kobo did nothing bad there I hope it will end well
@@holow3038Yeah that's a huge part of why Coco left. She probably could have endured the harassment by herself, but she wanted to protect the other talents from collateral damage.
I wonder why many "fans" from the West are cooking up this drama, even though in Asia or Indonesia this isn't really a problem, and in the last year Holo-ID has often played games from China when other members/branches didn't do so. Kobo is often watched by Chinese fans (from Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia or the mainland) and interacts with them in Mandarin. and we in Southeast Asia, especially in Indonesia, can access Bilibili without revealing personal identity because it only applies to mainland China. Kobo is quite popular among Mandarin speakers. So that's one way he can stream on Bilibili and attend big Bilibili events. If this is the case, we Indonesian fans will be "gatekeeping" kobo not only from Chinese antis whose existence is almost extinct, but from western antis who like to cook up unnecessary drama.
cus its china, they not only take their own peoples rights, they take other countries peoples rights. dont forget, if your social score isnt high enough in china, they wont let you out of your burning car. dont for get in china, if a school building collapses and kills 64 students, it didint happen. the chinese people are innocent for the most part, its just how they were taught to be. every country including america has their psychopaths as we saw with hogwarts legacy and the trans community sending out hit squads on peoples streams. are all trans people bad? no, but alot of the vocal ones dont want equality, they want majority.
@@cooltjh4 talk about human rights america is farrrrrrrr worse😂
@@cooltjh4 Are you fucking Chinese playing a role or are you saying these things sincerely? What you say lacks understanding of China but just meets the most classic stereotypes.🤨
@@cooltjh4 you know what the biggest difference china vs western.
China do thing evil openly but western doing evil things and pretend their the good guy.
You pick your poison i guess
@@l.f.a.9558how is he chinese? China dont have acess to youtube.
We have Kobo, Matsuri, and Sora on Bilibili promoting their brand image. We've seen that B2 is no longer a shareholder with Anycolor, so Hololive is testing the waters on CN depending on their reception. The question is will the NDF spin the narrative that they are bad for CN?
Actually, there are many Kobo fans from China/Taiwan and Kobo is quite fluent in Mandarin, maybe that's why she was chosen to redebut in b2
@@SillTouch Taiwan is different from Chn Mainland tho.. in fact they are in bad blood, akin to Israel & Palestine level. Most of Kobo's Chinese fans are from Taiwan.
@@Cosmoman78 They are not, dont talk crazy. People from Taiwan and the mainland coexist on social media. People also can travel from one to the other without a problem. Nothing comparable to those two you mentioned.
@@iandavidvillaloboswong5180The only thing keeping Mainland from invading TW like Palestine, is US backup. That's why it doesnt turn into bloodbath already.
@@iandavidvillaloboswong5180Mainland and Taiwan coexist? I feel a lot of sarcasm on this statement than facts... Tough pull, mate.
I will never forgive them for what they did to coco
meh. you support a girl who calling taiwan is a country meanwhile ur country policy is one china. hypocrisy
we'll.
@@j1y2s3nNo I don't.
@@j1y2s3n aa a Chinese I can tell you you shouldn't, they might be 'innocent' in a way as the environment they grew up in made them that way, but there's no denying that they harassed innocent girls, trust me there are many Chinese fans that hate to see it happen too
@random_145 Just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with being Chinese or Chinese people. It is the government of China that is the issue, as well as antis like you said. Bots, trolls, and people that for whstever reason tow the party line.
I wish China (the country/government) would do better, but then again, my own country isn't looking too good right now. But at least you can still do business in my country. I would personally never do business with China when it can be avoided. One market isn't the end of the world, even if it's a big one. It's literally one country.
Kobo got bombarded because she's playing Hogwarts. En: nah I'd 💤/bring out 🍿
Kobo just Doing her job with Matsuri and sora: EN REALLLL SHII and start attacking kobo instead lmao😂
WHAT WITH THAT -DOUBLE- TRIPLE STANDARD DUDE 😂
They wont attack sora or matsuri because they are unironic weebs wannabe that has the mindset of "anything japan = good"
That last comment is stupid, this is not mere. "She did something I dont like" did was something serious, Fubuki was harrast for more than a year! I was there when she broke on stream! Sora was cut from the Kizuna Ai concert and Nene from an anime credits, and lest not forget that Kson is completely banned from B2.
FBK did? I think the only two times she ever broke character were right after Coco's graduation, and Mel's termination
Aqua also dealt with antis for so long. Suisei during one stream just went, "fine, if you wanna play that way. Veteran members have mod privileges. Go nuts with the ban hammer on these antis."
@@AxleTrade Suisei was so based for that. I was laughing maniacally the whole time.
That is exactly what is and just because you have valid reasons to back it up, doesn't mean that you're still in any right to throw a bitch fit, because that is all it was. They're unsubscribing because Kobo did something they deemed "morally" wrong when it objectively isn't. Not *every* person in the Chinese Market were okay with harassment that Hololive talents suffer and hot take, they shouldn't be punished for it. Their government and country already sucks the life out of their souls, if Kobo can provide them with some mindless entertainment, there isn't a single God damn person that has any moral authority to tell her she's wrong for that. So yes, they're fake fans, that simply want their oshis to have nothing to do with the Chinese market because they want completely starve them of everything as a punishment. No one is obligated to follow this stupid mentality nor be expected to curtail to it and if you're gonna whine about it because someone isn't listening, do everyone a favor and pull that entire tree out of your ass and shut up.
I am surprised by the many people who are ignorant about this. Kobo would not be allowed to do this without the approval of management. If she's part of a showing the with Matsuri then it is entirely a collab with BilliBilli and Cover to reestablish their relationship. Kobo and Matsuri are going to be the spokesperson for the union with them and this is something that Cover needs to establish the market in China. If it fails then BilliBilli could stand to lose everything with this collab. One thing people needs to remember that nothing gets done without Cover's approval and something like this can only happen when both businesses are in agreement.
Except that BilliBilli is not the only one who stands to lose something. Cover also has talents (and their wellbeing) on the line. Coco didn't graduate because of nothing. And as a business owner I can tell you that yes the Chinese market is fast and attractive, but Cover is by no means doing bad and by no means NEEDS to take this risk from what I know (which obviously isn't everything). Many businesses are moving out of China (and/or its market) simple because they are unreliable or not good partners/consumers. Personally I though Cover was doing the same. And didn't Cover disbanded their China branch as well?
What I'm saying is that bridges were burned by Cover, the general viewers, and Chinese viewers/antis. We know Kobo and Matsuri had to have approval from Cover, if the request to join the event didn't even come from Cover themselves. If they want to rebuild these bridges, fine. But that doesn't mean people can't show concern. People got hurt by them in the past, livers got hurt. Businesses (BilliBilli and Cover) might agree to play nicely, but no such thing can be said or expected of the fans and the antis.
While yeah, Cover and management approved of this, it doesnt mean the fans cant be afraid of their countries diplomat walking into a active warzone where the diplomat and the country itself is against the country its walking into. Thats basically whats happening as of right now. The hololive fanbase as of right now is most probably double or triple in size unlike it was 2-3 years ago when Coco was active and just that 25% of us that was there when it happened is concerned because we know the consequences of stepping on one land mine for not only us but also the vtuber themselves. Our concern as fans is out of worry and appreciation not criticsm this is a big step on hololives case they essentially burnt down their whole chinese market (and chinese branch) and now if theyre trying to rebuild we dont know the consequences or how itll unfold. As a fan of that era of hololive you dont want to see your favorite orange dragon vtuber start breaking down in the middle of a stream only for Kanata her roommate to rush inside the room and hear her comfort her or have haachama blame herself for everything that had happened to Kaichou and break down on multiple streams. For Fubuki to be underfire and to have her fanbase halved just because she has a positive association with Kaichou. And so many more examples of it and its not even the worse part of the situation thats just a instance of it.
Coco or now after graduating Kson is still blacklisted and gets chinese anti's come to attack her from time to time. (Kson has a clip of admitting that Nijisanji had her blacklisted from collabs because of the possibility that they have a large market in the Chinese side.) Plus is it bad to have concern when the pioneer for english vtubing the one who paved the path to connect the world of EN and JP an actual legit legend in the community deserving of a hall of fame spot had her and her whole companies careers almost fucked just cuz they referred to Taiwan as its own country. AND as someone in SEA (south eastern asia) THE BORDER CONFLICT WITH CHINA HAS PROGRESSED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE POINT THEYVE BEEN CONSTANTLY IN THE WATERS TO AS FAR AS THE PHILIPPINES. THEYVE ALSO SURRONDED TAIWAN. Considering Kobo is Indonesian she'll understand the risk but at the same time the risk is also quite large and the pay off is a unreliable chinese market that can bite them in the ass.
@@ruud9761nah china is a must. If yagoo can get china market surely he can take the world
@@arizhizbullah2635 no
They aren't needed
@@seantaggart7382 Excluding India, there are more chinese speakers than english speakers in the world. Aside from the mainland the chinese diaspora is huge. Theres definitely a big upside to winning in the chinese market
must protect Kobo if something happens
haiya bro ofcourse HOLO ID fanbase is protect the talent to keep bring their smile
Don't worry, many or possibly half of kobo fans are normies who drag by her to be new fans of vtuber, and you know what normies will do to problematic geek weirdos like them IRL, yes it will happen same to them in internet if they harass kobo, some people may forget who kobo is, she is the one who change vtubers image for ID normies about vtuber world, so for those weirdos they will face the normies who love toying nerdy geek with delusional BS like them, this not yet count SEA solidarity and ID people outside vtuber's world since kobo widely known amongs ID's real life top youtubers community circle, did they know that kobo was in indonesia youtube rewind video last year amongs ID's top content creators, may this give them warning who kobo was for ID's, she is not alone, in her persona or person behind the persona
one thing i learned is that you should never underestimate ID fans
I'm definitely sure if people (especially haters) mess with holo id talent, it's an auto war by default.
But whats going to happen if the ones that are messing with Kobo are... Fellow HoloEN "fans" :( I honestly hope we dont have a civil war brewing in our hands.
I think it's already happened, but it got squashed pretty quick from what i know
@@NominDonutz I find it brutally funny that after the B2 stream the EN hate comments have increased a lot, and CN sc's on Kobo's yt streams have increased as well, all of them encouraging and thanking Kobo for her work.
@@SpookyTree255 yeah, like all of hololive fans gotta own it, eventhough the harassment is not justified, coco did something wrong. eventhough its not intentional, coco kinda give a comment on cn political problem, and that why it rally a lot of people to become antis. we lost something precious, we hate the cn community for that, but the one at fault is always antis.
all kobo did is opening up on cn community, she already risking herself to the cn antis, she does not deserve to get attacked from the EN too.
To be fair the current ID and CN in politics are wary, not just SCS issue but the distrust... is there.
not a bias, but some kobo fans said on the stream, no one can teasing her other than them (kobolonimbus it self)
Not the smartest idea tbh. They should leave the toxic Chinese market to Niji.
Niji likely got corrupt because of the Chinese market.
U can scare of that. but in the other hand, she can make haters and lovers war cause of her.
My thoughts exactly. Whoever cooked this idea needs to stay out the kitchen forever.
@@dra6o0n i just want to tell you Black company IS normal in South Korea and Japan . . . and white company like hololive is Rare . . .even rarer in entertainment industry.. you know past idol treatment are you ?
@@Eniscen probably shareholders?
Bilibili actually quite popular in Indonesia, because they hold so many anime license there, but I must say this is super risky move from kobo and cover. I just hope, what's done is done, and no other spark.
its not just kobo. matsuri and sora are doing the same events.
@@LCJammerare they? 🤔 It's really risky but I knew that China fan base must be big. Or they try to open Holo CN again
kita orang kgk masalah sama china. yg jadi masalah itu kan pas si coco sama hachama nganggap taiwan itu negara merdeka.
kita semua tau hampir seluruh negara di dunia ngakuin taiwan is one-china policy. karena geo politik aja mereka support taiwan.
selama ga main2 politik, itu udah bagus. entertaiment ga harus masuk politik. menghibur aja udah bagus, lelah
@fordhos747 ya emng gitu kasusnya.
si kson ngmng soal taiwan itu negara merdeka, terus berkunjung ke kuil era imperialis jepang. org sana ya kesalnya ga ketahan lah, jelas negara mereka kena jajah dan dibantai. sama aja kaya kita. bedanya kita udh mulai melupakan, karena itu bagian sejarah. yg problem itu, negara2 mereka barat sama jepang punya kebijakan 1 china, tapi support taiwan jadi negara merdeka. kan kontl. sama aja nganggap papua barat sebagai negara, padahal bagian indonesia. timor leste sejarahnya
@fordhos747 liat aja kasusnya kobo yg mau di boikot gara2 main harry potter. emgnya fans mana tuh
Idk man, the way these EN fans a.k.a so called veterans, are borderline acting like those antis.
I mean, she streams, nothing happens, but y'all coming out, disagreeing, and unsubscribing.
Ain't that almost similar with what those antis doing?
Just stay put, watch from afar, see how this is going.
All of y'all comments on her are borderline harassments, you know.
Basically past trauma a.k.a PTSD
@@commentofthisand it can't be justified. people may have trauma but projecting those trauma onto someone else is absolutely wrong.
@@QuezFlow they're basically just reliving 'Nam flashbacks of what happened to Coco and lashing out, mostly.
Ikr the irony, did they unsubscribe matsuri as well? Or they only unsubscribe kobo?
I see kobo, I click 🗿☔️
I think it is kind of risky though.
I hope fubuki doesn't touch any of this with a 100 foot pole. 'harassment' is an understatement for what those ghouls did to her for months
She got over it. You should too.
Apparently, from what I've heard, when Kobo streamed on Bilibili, Fubuki's Free Chat got spammed by bots shortly.
@@jmutube61191 Nah. Sorry. They tormented her for a year. Not just gonna move past that as if it didn't happen.
@@silverstrike133 Okay, I'm just happy that she's happy now. It's better to share positivity than hate, especially when someone doesn't know who they're hating.
She got over it what? Now you speak for Fubuki? @@jmutube61191
The funniest thing is that they only focus on kobo, even though there are several other people there
Yeah, feeling like the EN is targeting the ID side LOL
EN fans were always the biggest japanese wannabe.
I mean look at their obsession with idol culture, eventhough JP side are now more welcoming towards male collabs and Holostars, they act as idol culture was their origin lmao.
Anything, Japan = good
T. Western Weeb Wannabe
Perhaps it is because of the different attitudes between Kobo and those "several other people". For example Sora, she was really passive and didn't give any teasers about BiliBili. It was as if she was really forced to be on the platform. Unlike Kobo, who is quite active in giving teasers that she will be streaming there so her enthusiasm is very visible. Plus Sora only uploaded promotional videos, not full streaming like Kobo. Even Matsuri was quite silent and didn't talk about this at all.
@@NominDonutz If EN want try it . JUST DO IT with no Politic n Etc.
Direct to ID We welcome you .
@@Halietus Biggest japanese wannabe Omg .
Idol culture : AKB 48 , JKT 48.
But ENKB 48 uhh..... I must come to the concert
CN is not a market worth diving into.
Ultimately, it's up to Hololive. They already experienced it once.
I understand why one would want to get their share of such a massive market, but approaching it really is treading dangerous waters, it's a very high risk high reward gamble.
@@Feanor1988bishigh risk, low reward.
Because I don't see the money coming from the citizens in China at all, they already are in poverty except for the loyal ones living in high density cities.
Their population is huge and the wealthiest has connections to the CCP...
There's literally no reason to do business with China since it doesn't respect intellectual property and if a business deal goes wrong you will never get your money. The money and the perpetrators will just stay in China and the government will not help you.
And after seeing what happened to Coco, why would you go back? Just my opinion.
China may control the narrative in its own country but not in the west. Crying and harassing people because Taiwan got mentioned is weak sauce.
@@Feanor1988bis There's 600 millions chinese living on less than 1000 yuan a month (150$)... they don't have any money to give to Vtubers. The market ain't that big when half the population makes under 5$ a day.
@@dra6o0nnope, CN market is huge. they live in advance technology and economy wise, along with their consumerism behaviour. any fanbase in CN would be able to gather huge amount of money and doing massive project to support their idols. it is a well-known fact, that's why South Korean and Japanese entertainers/artists love to expand their fanbase to mainland. if they do well, the profit from CN fanbase could be bigger than fanbases all country combined. it's real money game.
but then in 2016 there's a political issue between CN, SK, and JP that caused many projects and works in every aspect between those countries were cut in CN. they limited anything that related to SK and JP to enter their country. so to enter or re-entering to CN market needs to be well-planned.
i'm a fan of idols in those 3 countries and been around since 2012 so i know that much.
I like many in the comments was around when Kson (formerly kiryu coco) was going through the absolute torrent of harassment and hate the Chinese anti’s were sending her way, and remember how badly it quaked and rippled across the talents as a whole who even remotely stood by her through it (currently recalling a clip of Suisei having a stroke of genius mid stream and granting like, 12? Long time fans mod in her chat so they could wield ban hammers on the antis, had the whole issue in that stream sorted in minutes with her lightning response).
I remember the tumultuous times that followed as TH-cam literally created an entire new system for chat management and moderation as a result, alongside (if I remember rightly) hololive themselves hiring moderators to actively patrol the chats and their social media presences.
I also remember just how poorly their initial attempt to save face went, essentially leaving Coco out to try as patient 0 while trying to manoeuvre around and eventually choosing to axe wholesale the Chinese brand and all ties to that market.
I was very vocal, and still am vocal, about the importance of making sure the talents come first and are treated fairly, and while holo have improved in this area vastly since the initial covid era boom, choosing to return to the Chinese market could be kicking another hornets nest. Sure, unlike the last time, we have a sting suit and brought a bug hoover with us to catch the hostile elements before they land any stings, it’s not a surefire guarantee, and I am worried that things might start turning for the worst again.
This time though I have faith that Cover will be much better at handling any backlash or fallout, that much I have faith in.
on the other hand, I'm sure that there are likely millions of Chinese fans who have had to suffer large official hololive drought due to the actions of a comparatively small number of their kinsmen committing these crimes of harassment, and truly feel for their plight in this manner. I mean, I know this isn’t the same for everyone, but if it wasn’t for the joy that the talents from hololive had brought to me over the last few years, I’m really not sure just how much worse my life would be right now. I’ve had a rough few years, but the joy I’ve had watching these girls streams, their clips, hearing their music and watching the AMV’s has really kept my head above water, and I’m sure it’s the case for the Chinese fans to.
In sum, I am cautiously weary for what might come from this, but hopeful that no issues will arise, and that any that do will be quelled quickly and with force enough to keep the talents safe and shielded. Things are different now, there’s far more protections in place here on TH-cam, and if there is a proper agreement in the works between bilibili and Cover, there’s very likely to be a similar parity of care and protection afforded to the talents when they’re there too.
For now, I am hopeful that this is just another step towards flourishing growth and success for Cover, Hololive, and all the talents involved!
i mean if they want audience, twitch seems safer option to start rather than bilibili.
with bot? meh
Nah twitch swarmed with bots
Unless a talent specifically desires to stream there (like La+) I don't see Hololive deliberately looking to conquer Twitch. The platform doesn't offer any novel demographic to pursue there, and the VTuber/streaming culture there is _different_ to put it mildly.
They probably want to test the water with Chinese audience, not more audience in general. La+ already start branching out to Twitch.
@@gem_ola6642 are the bots there that much?
Just a reminder B2 cut Sora's performance at Kizuna Ai's last concert on B2, and they cut Nene's name from the credit anime she voiced, if they are not apologizing they are the same as the anti or even worse because they try to please both sides.
B2 tryna sweet-talk Cover into letting them in coz Nijisanji sank underwater. Please don't take the bait Cover, be smart.
Of course that's what you can expect from a niconico ripoff.
Who? I only know West Taiwan
Winnie the Pooh land!
No don't start a war again 😂
Taiwanese Bot...
@@axcel_rikiis that a Chinese ultra nationalist getting butthurt when there deeply corrupt shithole gets memed on, even when they started the whole "East China" bullshit first?
@@axcel_riki Dude, i'm brazilian...
It's not the Chinese fans that are the problem for me the Coco stuff was 4 years ago and she was planning on leaving anyway. Billibilli are really sketchy when it comes to people's private information and it wouldn't surprise me if talents stuff got leaked or sent to the Chinese government, I'm also just not giving them my information either so I won't be giving any support there.
There was targeted and planned harassment to her and anyone who streamed with her for months and its the MAIN reason she left stated by herself, no way the chinese nationalists are clean from that incident. I do love Kobo's content and im not going to harrass her or anyone over this because that is straight up stupid, but its literally dancing on a landmine.1 small mistep and its over, it will be a repeat of the same because that is just what the chinese fanbase does and they've done it multiple times now. Its not gonna end well because the landmine will stay live forever, its really just that.
If it's s Chinese company, the CCP has access to any of its info, last I checked that was a requirement for a business license yhere
The talents managers are the ones that send their information if it comes down to it. Outside talents don't have anything to worry about unless they don't have a manager putting their neck out for them which what we have seen, managers in COVER do go the mile for Holo talent.
Yes, the Chinese viewers are the problem. They're raised in a repressive culture of hatred that tells them they're the superior Asian race and everything their country does is correct and justified, and any perceived slight, no matter how small, needs to be retaliated against. All Coco had done was refer to Taiwan as a country in passing, and they went ballistic, the Chinese branch of Hololive was closed like 3 days after starting because of Cover's capitulation to angry Chinese investors. Animators and artists refused to work with Vshojo again after Kson joined the organization as a continuation of their outrage.
Beyond just the interwebz, China and Japan do not have a good relationship because China is trying to claim multiple Japanese territories belong to them, including Okinawa. Japan also intends to intervene to help Taiwan when/if China invadess them, so China has plans to attack them too.
Indonesia has some similar disputes with China, who is seen as a threat to Indonesian sovereignty. China is claiming a huge section of Indonesia's North Natuna Sea belongs to them, and has disregarded international law and sent vessels to patrol the area and to steal fish.
Given how Chinese "fans" have behaved in the past, it's not unreasonable to think that they will harass Kobo for being both with a Japanese company and Indonesian.
YEAH! i thoght on that, but recent leak said the negotiations allow them to not be abide to the "one China rule", meaning the CCP will had to suck it up and deal with it, if is true of course. But most of that leak has became true, as it explicit said one or 2 members will have an exclusive channel there but it will be optional.
Also in recent time B2 has been pulling their pants down for a lot of situations since they change of management last year after multiple incidents (like the guy who only went with a slap in the wrist, despite him blackmailing another Vtuber and artist). Also been on a ban spree of anything defamatory or harrasmenta against Hololive from what i read.
only time will tells if this became positive.
It's funny when Sora streams on Bilibili no one cares, but when Kobo streams on Bili Bili she gets insulted, double standards are real, right?
The mistake is that they haven’t played call of duty custom zombies yet (either waw or bo3)
Nah everything will be fine. Kobo will be doing great there, she already has many fans from both CN and TW.
Past is the past, let's just move on. And dont let anymore drama happen in the future, just like Kson said you guys should stop yapping about it.
the main enemy coming from EN antis lol, I can see they throwing so much hate to Kobo on the first day, but they keep silent when they know Sora is also streaming in B2 lol
to be honest, this is all about money, its company decision, its natural for them to expand their market back to CN.
Just take it easy, this is not about life and death situations. I just want to enjoy my time watching anime girls playing games without any drama
There was stil the HololiveCN incident, and harassment of Fubuki and others who were Coco's friends. I imagine they're just lashing out because they fear it's gonna end like how it did with Coco.
I'm surprised you didn't also mention Sayu since there is news she is also going to be on B2 with some very shady organization called NOA Talent, which is owned by a company called Metishon that is apparently also managing Kobo's B2 account according to some claims. See the kurosanji subreddit for links to proof people have been posting.
Sayu said to keep speculation on this within her community. 'kay? Please remove/delete the information if possible, thanks~
@@gaerekxenoshas she not heard of YT? already 5 videos pop up in my feed in regards to that.
You know Sayu fan base IS absolutely loyal to her because past controversy and truth revealed . . . so i believe her fan-base 100% support of her decision
@@arturo0727 I'm sure she's aware of that already. Doesn't mean she can't request for the speculation to stay within her community. And since this isn't one of those things that *must* be immediately covered publicly (such as certain Niji scandals that have rather large-scale consequences) the courteous thing to do here is to respect the person's wishes by not talking about the speculation until she is ready to announce the information
Was there doing the Coco incident. I'm not a fan of the decision, but I'm also not gonna condemn them just yet. It is better to wait and see what happens.
Bilibili is like the poison swamps in Dark Souls. Lots of treasure, lots of pain, procs poison.
Looking at EN Fans lately, CN is more like a kindergarten child than EN Fans
Who forced Gura to keep streaming even though she was unwell - EN
Who blasphemed Iofi when the EN x iD colab didn't go well - EN
Who blasphemed Cali all out because she appeared on the trash taste show - EN
Who is always gatekeeping and blaspheming HoloStar - EN
Who went berserk at Bae because she was off collab with HoloStar - EN, EN and EN
Who bullied Kobo just because of she stream on bilibili - EN and again EN
No Chinese ever called my boys 'homos'.
Sorry my child, its Fans being Fans, you can't do anything for them, and there's always a troll, Anti and troublemaker starts with, is still always like that, childish attitude.
too much demand with little portion of support 😌 lmao
who was the one that chat denied to collab with male when the talent ask in poll?
Most of them are troll and clout chaser, the stuff that CN anti do to holomember back then is outright harrassment and malicious. Coco's membership almost got wipe out because the mod are actually pro China and that break Coco into crying on stream.
I got a really bad feeling about this.
Don't worry, ID people has the balls of steel to harass chinese antis.They have a history of harassing idiots who messes with their oshi like Kobo. One time Kobo wants to play Hogwarts she was criticized by someone then her fans harassed that idiot.
Praying nothing happens to kobo if this does go south.
Maybe she will be fine but i doubt it tbh
Kinda ironic for Holofans attacking her choice to stream there while fearing the Chinese bots, yet they do something similar to Kobo themselves with their current actions.
They have become the very thing they swore to destroy
i get what you are saying but these two things are not equivalents at all
@@arha13ye indeed the en vtuber fans are just being racist but nothing new there
idk, from what the vid shows its more cautionary tread carefully over the crocodile's tail and less send 600000 bots to harrass people for months.
kobo being the best and people just hating
nope, we are just warning ID bros. Those antis are rabid. They will try to dox you as well.
Kobo streaming on Billibilli is not a bad move or shouldn't be a problem, if the CH still wants to harass the talents they still be doing it, but if Cover opens the CH branch again that's a difference story. I do agreed that the CH needs to follow the guidelines at 4:38 if not even more, like don't go after old talents
okay..
- first, i know very well how bad hololive's incident with CN in the past.
- second, speaking of Kobo. most of her dramas right now are came from EN bros🗿 cause most of them are just simply hates everything related to CN.
- third, i know some of you guys were worried, me too. but let's believe in Kobo, Hololive's management and we just need to counter the antis.
Indonesia does not hold back when a person is wronged, so... I'd wager that if they tried with Kobo... yeah.
probably not a good idea for holo to do this
Tiananmen Square, 1989, 50 Cent Party, Winnie the Pooh, Falun Gong
Unit 731 1937 - 1945
@@zilongma5067 never happened.
Operation Yellowbird
Seriously, I don’t get why anyone pushes the Falun Gong…..
@@CassiopeiaOnYT What do you mean? Falun Gong is an internationally recognized religion.
Im Chinese, i love kobo
Gonna rewatch" Goddess Sora" Promoting merch On BILIBILI maybe i can buy it later
Wait what's going on here ???
Is there any drama ??
Hahahaha
EN drama 🤣
many hololive fans are too worried, especially fans from the west. If you often watch Kobo's streams, you will often find fans from China interacting with Kobo via Superchat in Mandarin, Kobo can speak Mandarin even though she is not fluent. Maybe that's the reason Kobo streams on Bilibili because it already has a lot of fans in China, and on Bilibili there are also lots of Kobo clips in Mandarin. I don't know if western countries can access Bilibili or not, but in Indonesia you can access the platform and there is a "outside China" version, namely BStation for watching anime or Chinese animation. For us fans in Indonesia, this was very sudden because there was no announcement at all from Kobo or Hololive Indonesia official. But that worry disappeared after seeing Kobo's stream received a positive response from Chinese fans. and became a debutant bilibili streamer who was quite highlighted.
you dont know the chinese die hard pinks, one wrong move and the entire country is after the talents and kobo will receive the biggest blow back.
the ones on her chat are the very little few cool fans from china.
@@chevriguevara3743 and you also don't know the vtuber scene in Asia or Southeast Asia, most of us don't forget past events but still move on and take positive lessons from these old events. Things that shouldn't be made into drama don't have to be talked about for a long time. That's why we "gatekeeping" our oshi from various antis, whether from China/East or West. If you don't know anything about the VTuber scene in Asia, especially in Southeast Asia, just keep quiet. we can keep our oshi safe.
Because is not about Kobo. Kobo can be stream in B2 have good receipt there and be fine. The China dog will barking hard on old member after this. The one who will impacted by this move is old member like Fubuki or Aqua, etc. So is not really about Kobo but about other member that will be impacted by this decision.
@@senoalamsyah7481 So what you're saying is holofans need to protect it's JP & EN branch and disregard the ID branch because is the smallest branch and not many people know about them, is that right?
@@senoalamsyah7481 elo indo, gak udah ikut gorengan inilah, kita tau itu gak akan terjadi, karena para antis dimasalalu tsb hampir punah, kebanyakan fans vtuber dichina itu generasi baru, mereka gak peduli sama orang orang antis dimasalalu. buktinya stream kobo di bilibili positif. kalo elu ngakses bilibili sekarang, dan cari hololive, bakalan banyak nemu klip hololive. kalo china niki gak suka hololive, hololive gaka akan populer diplatform sana.
I'm not gonna judge, Cover exists to make money. China has a lot of people with money. I won't support anything on bilibili personally but I'm not gonna start hating cover for trying this again. I won't be surprised when it goes pear shaped though.....
>stream on BB
>get cancelled eventually
I get they probably want to enter that big market and not let anycolors virtual real branch and domestic agencies dominate it. But it’s only a matter of time streaming there before being cancelled especially if you aren’t domestically Chinese. Pretty much every streamer should know that.
And let's not forget what happened with HoloCN and the Artia controversy. 😡
Nope, I don't think so. Kobo and her fanbase is a whole new world compared to other talents. And since she's ID, I am confident CN won't be so stupid enough to cancel her, cause the same treatment will apply in ID... if they're stupid.
@@ivankyoshiro5263 you’re way over estimating them being afraid of kobo or her fan base lmao. They’re nothing compared to the Chinese sin numbers or viciousness. Anyone who goes to bilibili I’m going to unsub from since they’re a traitor to the rest after what they did to coco. Slap in the face and selfish af for any Holo people to stream there.
No. Your perception of Chinese in general is highly disappointing. All information of the Chinese antis were given by the mainland Chinese fans. You disregarded them and shit them and most don’t even know that fact.
Ironically, it's the EN "fans" that are spreading hate while the Chinese side is just completely silent
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So remembering harassment campaigns over China's territory dispute is "spreading hate?" Or am I just misreading your message? Your post is very confusing either way.
Literally harassment campaigns just for accidentally showing the name Taiwan. Not even deliberate.
@@Bloodstar6078 idk what to tell you🤷 This time it's EN that's sparking it up
@@Bloodstar6078Your eyes are blind so you can't see the facts
Do some people in EN fanbase really think CCP will make a fuss to piss Indonesian public perception of them over a v-tuber case? Lmao.
Cover use ID as the bridge is a well known strategy, Indonesia IRL also has a good relationship with China, let's just see how this ends.
Go ahead & point your opinion on reddit or here, but showing them in Kobo's livestream chat / YT channel / Twitter is not cool.
As long as fubuki is here, i hope everything is ok.
This, Fubuki has said herself that as long as she's there Hololive is fine. I'm also a bit wary about the situation but I trust Fubuki.
If Fubuki leaves I'm unsubbing to everyone except for Gura.
If they are trying to reconnect with the Chinese market I hope it ends well for them
uh huh
was there a need to go into the chinese market? what more does cover need from that hell hole...
Was wondering the same. They should be exploring other waters for new branches instead of going back to that dead carcass.
Wouldn't be fair to all the viewers who can't watch on other platforms I understand why most people are against it but cutting off an entire platform because of a small group sucks for those who are actually chill
If you understand then you understand that we don't hate Chinese chill fans but the problem that a bad situation can cause to unrelated members of Hololive, most of us prefer the safety of the talents ,there is a valid reason of why Hololive abandoned China before
Chinese nationalists are unfortunately not a small group of haters. The CCP trains its citizens to rabidly hate the West. The list of things that will trigger them is incomprehensible because their propaganda has at some point used pretty much everything as a deflection point against the government's own failings.
@@holow3038 yeah I do see your point I still miss coco but I'm all for second chances with restrictions and precautions
It may be a small group, but that's all it takes. If 99 fans love someone and only 1 hates them but that 1 person has a gun it's still a severe problem. That's why they used bot armies against Coco. They didn't need many people if they could effectively just make more.
@@TheAdmiral14it's pretty hard to botting nowadays, b2 have Id number login, youtube got subscriber chat(even member only chat), so if they prepared, it's pretty safe
It's simple. Just prohibit the talents from streaming on Bilibili.
On that note, what is Sayu doing joining an agency that will have her streaming exclusively there?
Exclusively?! Guess I won't be watching Sayu anymore because I'm not using that shitty CCP website.
Oof. If she actually does that she's screwed.
TH-cam slapped Sayu with a suspension during a stream. She has to use other sites for the time being.
She could use Twitch, that seems a lot safer.
2 things about it for some more info:
1- Sayu's is parnership with Noa Talent, an agency from a company called Metishon, who also happen to had some ownership into BilliBilli as well and has a lot of connections with Hoyoverse for events and exclusive things.
2- Metishon also acts as a direct middle management of Kobo's account on B2, as they offer themselves to be the one acting in case of problems against her (such as defemation or harassment).
The only problem i have is, Metishon has been also under the microscope as their CEO use to be a rigger for a another company, whos Vtubers are basic 2 views and pretty much they are either inactive or retired. But this is more a concern for Sayu instead. I don't thing they won't think this one without a legal paper backing up just in case. On both Kobo (specially Cover) and Sayu, both should know the act of protecting you b*tt with paper just in case.
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Dari banyakx Komen , ini napa pula En pada kepanasan cari Drama kah ?.
Pingin Nantangin kah ke Fanbase ID
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Udah lama nih tangan gatel g keluarin kata2 mutiara Dari A-Z
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Pantau terus bang, jangan sampe branch ID dikorbanin gara² ego orang barat.
idk anything abt holo's fanbase but i feel like this is a bit of an overreaction? if shes supposed to do an event for bilibili later she's probably streaming there because of the event and will probably not continue to stream there after.
You know that Japan and Korean fans are usually pretty obsessed but chinese anti are the worst piece of sht..but hey, they would have to face Indonesian citizens who are also known as the rudest in the world,.this like battle between unstoppable forces vs immovable object. At worst this could trigger real life cyber war..
@@Shirokuma15given the situation, the war would be between ID and EN viewers.
@@hull4bal00 You're pretty much trying to incite that by spamming that everywhere aren't you?
@@EkatariZeen I'm just trying to be honest, you can ignore it, but the situation doesn't lie, all of talents showing in B2, only the Indonesian ones get negative comments, and those comments are from the Western side of EN audiences.
People need to stop treating the talents and the company like their children. They are all adults and are more than capable of making decisions for themselves. If they feel the chinese market is obtainable again, then they are free to pursuit it.
while there is definitely open wounds from what happened, the amount of pure racist comments generalizing ALL chinese people is beyond me. If you expect people to have a change of heart on their side, putting an iron wall between you and them is a straight forward way to make them go right back to how they were before. I say let it rest and treat it like any other streaming platform, i’m willing to bet a large chunk of people that will be watching her on there weren’t around for the coco incident either.
Even on youtube, she rarely streams bcs she's busy with stuffs (probably music related as she said she wanna focus more on music).
And when she streams, she mostly mainly speaks in ID.
What makes people sure she's streaming on bilibili by her "choice" ???
She's one of the guest for bilibili event along with Matsuri, which is most likely the sole reason why she streamed there.
There's 2 probability why Kobo become a guest for bilibili event :
- Kobo wanted to join the event so bad that she asked Yagoo for approval.
- Bilibili invited/offered Cover to the event, and Cover agreed and sent Kobo and Matsuri.
And of course it's easier for "fans" that disagree with this to attack the talent and not the agency.
ya kobo emg gitu bang, mencoba hal baru. klo sering nonton streamnya juga bakalan tau kobo itu suka bosenan.
lagian pasar china itu cuma jelek di mata orang jp sama barat. org china ga suka sama jp dan barat karena anggap taiwan itu negara merdeka. padahal mereka (barat dan jp) anggap taiwan itu bagian dari cina. aneh? iya karena geopolitik aja.
yg kena siapa? ya rakyatnya, karena ketidaktahuan muka dua negaranya
@@yorokuni6514 nah kan. yang paling ngeselin tuh "fans" en banyak yg double standard, mentang2 ID branch inferior, low earner.
orang sora aja ada stream juga di bilibili, tapi dihujat ga? pas kebetulan kobo imagenya brat kusogaki, jadi sasaran empuk :)
@@rico6466 Engga cuma Kobo ama Matsuri. Sora aja belom lama ini buat video untuk bili2. Udah ada 3 talent, termasuk daisenpai-nya holo. Ini program emang langsung dari manajemen pusat bukan individual talent.
Gk heran bro. EN emang penonton aneh. Mereka benci CN karena sadar sama pantulannya sendiri. Lihat tuh, China nge boikot Holo kan karena talent ngelakuin/mengatakan hal yang mereka benci.
EN juga ngekritik dan nge benci Kobo karena dia ngelakuin/mengatakan hal yang gk mereka suka.
Mereka gk berani narget Matsuri sama Sora karena mereka senpai dan Dewi nya Holo.
Lah Kobo jelas jelas yang paling muda dan yang paling empuk buat di hujat. Apalagi fans indo gk mau dukung karena mereka lebih suka Holo jomok dan fanservice ke penonton dari pada nontonin orang normal.
@@yuicaniagoakwkwk faktanya keras bgt bang 🗿
I'm just... scared & dumbfounded about this.
Cover's doing fine; why risk it?
The pain never went away.
There's Europe. Go there. Kiara's been pushing that.
You don't trust Cover then?
@@daisukeniwa402645 Trust is earned; and Cover earned it.
But you can easily _lose it too. Taking risks is one of many methods to do so._
Weird question to ask, btw; I'm sure I said I'm *scared & dumbfounded.* 🧐
@@ArcaneMaiden China is better than Europe.
Have you ever seen your own policy about "Globalization"?
its YOUR rules. not fair for both party.
@@daisukeniwa402645 For China market? No. But rather than Cover, I don't trust the CN fanbase there more. Not after the crapshow they did to Coco, Haachama & the others wo also got attacked.
@@ArcaneMaidenRemind me what is Yagoo's goals again?
Holo subreddit is a joke, call kobo a traitor and get bajilions upvote.
As if Cover itself isnt a traitor by doing this dck move without any announcement
On the one hand I'm not in favor of Hololive having anything to do with China ever again, but on the other hand I'm not that worried, because if there's anyone who could face CN antis head-on it's Kobo and ID fans
Thats the spirit ☺
But it's ironic, all the criticism of Kobo and unsubscribing is from EN fans, it's explained in the video
Problem is, it never stops with one people. It spread like a wildfire and stay that way for a VERY long time. Its not like it will be the first time. We have seen it happen with the previous event. For reference, Coco (well Kson now) is still getting censored in china if she happens to appear in an international broadcast.
The level of parasocialism of the fans is so cringe, they are just as toxic of their Chinese counter part that they critics.
Definetly
Edit: oh wait I thought it said nijisanji, not hololive, cause nijisanji makes a lot of mistakes, but of the whole situation, I don't know.
"NIJI! NO!!" "What?" "Sorry, force of habit... HOLOLIVE! NO!!!"
@Amia_the_Smol , I don't get it, are you making fun of me?
@@shikiriki_the_death_tree I believe it's just a reference to a Simpson's episode
Yeah, was a reference. Didn't mean anythin nasty by it, sorry about the confusion.
Nah it's my fault sometimes I jump to conclusions.
If cover decided they want to bridge the gap to CN it's gonna be almost impossible. But kobo is not stupid she knows what to say and not say. Fyi, the CN fans so far has been positive to her, but we don't really know if the antis are really gone or gonna strike again. You can be concerned about her and this whole situations but don't blame kobo and ESPECIALLY harras her bcs of this, since we don't know if it's her decision or not (i've already seen a few EN and ID antis hating her bcs of this) Also cover would definitely have to approve of this so shif the blame and concerns to cover itself
China is definitely a big market so ofc they might want to come back to it but I’ve been learning Chinese and have been watching bilibili for a couple months now, they are def ready to recreate what happened some years ago if anything goes wrong but at the same time SEA fans do NOT joke around😭
2:07 There's something so jarring about how Kobo's name is rendered in full Chinese while Finana and Vox's remain in plain English lol
Funny right considering her name is just a word play of puddle of water in Indonesian that put in the way it sound Japanese lol.
Cover probably hired a translator. 😂
@@Bloodstar6078 that's make it even ironic, cover who is actually temporary guest in bilibili event, put a lot of effort to assimilate their talent into audience while bilibili long time partner nijisanji doesn't even bother doing it, just show us who professionals agency and who isnt
People talked like COVER didn't know what they're doing when they making this decision. For me, it's more like COVER already have some kind of agreement with B2 that actually can protect talents. Hololive is more popular than ever after a certain purple dragon incident early this year, so it's not surprising that they can demand things if they want to stream on B2. Also, I felt this is the right time to compete against Niji on one of their supposed stronghold.
What's strange is that Cover is completely silent on this issue. No official announcement, no official news, they are completely silent as if streaming on B2 is a secret that should not be known by the public.
I don't trust B2 to hold up their side of agreement. They are a bunch of snakes.
@@ramaliqch we can see that en "fans" Attacking kobo after her recent stream on b2(not cn, so far they happy to have kobo on b2) so it's understandable, just imagine what en "fans" do when they announce it...
Let's see how it goes first before we start doomposting. If it's not a good journey on Bilibili then they will just have to stop. In the meantime let's support Kobo instead.
If Kobo succeeds in China in the future, I want Cover give her whatever she wants
A pink horse and a full track for her horse riding area
At least the fake fans and some tourists slowly go away. i'm with Kobo in this, if shit still hits the fan I will still be there.
I recognize some of those names criticizing Kobo & Cover as being hard core Nijisisters from their comments on other vids and Twitter posts, so it doesn't surprise me in the least they'd jump on the hate train. I'll continue to support Kobo and Hololive, tyvm
Imagine suffering from so much black company brainrot that you'll defend bending a knee to the single radioactive market on the planet and think everyone rightfully calling this out is a buzzword.
Nah... this is how mostly Hololive EN fans feel. People can't STFU over this in the last 24hr.
Kowtowing to a West Taiwanese company pathetic.
idk about Matsuri but people need to remember that Kobo is somewhat part Chinese and actually knows how to speak (i think it was Mandarin). Im very disappointed that most of the hate she got are from EN fans and none is from the CN side (as far as i know)
Look at this nijisister trying to start an argument@@arturo0727
@@HeseliqMikav She can speak mandarin, but I don't think she speaks it that well. I may be wrong.
Flash News! HoloID stalls for years. only 3 out of 9 HoloID reach 1m when all of them speak EN.
Kobo doing her best to open new window for ID. And Suddenly you "CARE"??!
ikr...most EN fans doesn't even Care ID branch, So, why do they feel so angry while ID bros don't mind......
@@Tololsapiens HoloID is a mistake......
I'm not justifying it, but I think the reason why though is they’re worried that if there was any hate, it would spill over and all the talents would get attacked, like what happened before.
She's not under fire or anything. It's Cover decision, and it's not just her. Please don't spread misinformation in the title.
Apaan si, biasa aja si.. Mau expand juga ke china ya bagus2 aja.. Si kobo jadi pembuka jalan nya..
If it backfires Cover is gonna have to deal with the Western anger of the "I told you so"
If it doesn't, Great!
If it doesn't, Great!
If it backfires, there's gonna be an Avengers level war.
THe "I told you so" people will be really annoying to deal with but, if the EN side correct and start to hating on ID because the EN people are right? There will be a real problem
I remind you once again that she is Indonesian, and we Indonesians are quite immune to insults on the internet, especially from abroad. If someone insults us, we will not hesitate to insult them back and not just 1-2 people, maybe thousands.
The mentality of people in Southeast Asia on the internet is much stronger than that of East Asian people. In fact, I personally am worried about people who will try to insult her.
Never forget what happened.
Indonesian usually are more harsh with their own people.. that's why once they like certain creator you don't wanna mess with the fanbase.. it could get ugly really fast.. specially when the opposite started bringing politics and race into the scene.. you could invite the whole nation into the war because of that.. it almost happen when Kobo were gonna play hoghwart if they were gonna go with harrassing Kobo.. as for me.. i will keep supporting Kobo..
China is a huge market that Cover wants to reenter, I understand their want to rebuild some bridges to make that happen. Wishing the best for all the talents involved.
Cover coming back to its own torment after collapsing of HoloCN and Coco Kiryu, pretty difficult to start their Career unlike Niji already burnt but still keep moving.
For those who are thinking Kobo might ended up the same fate like coco and haachama, you must remember that she is ID. That ID tag alone is power enough, let alone the fanbase etc. B2 has a big market in ID, also ID is one of CN market target for their goods and stuffs. With this facts alone, anybody from CN who wish to harm kobo must be an idiot.
Basically what the CN antis can do can also apply in ID against them too. Surely they won't risk it over dramas.
like they're just watching, their eyes narrowed and doing the "I'm watching you" motion?
Yeah I say don't do it. The censorship they will have to do not get harassed by the Chinese may not be worth the money they could get.
Not overtly addressing this and just quietly moving to test the waters is exactly what everyone _should_ be expecting for this - because that's how things work with China when it comes to mentioning things that set them off. Trying to address the past will just come across like saying, _"We're moving past when the time when we compared the president to Winnie the Pooh"_ - which is ultimately just immediately reigniting the whole thing all over again and also guaranteeing the worst possible outcome by bringing attention to it.
Both Kobo & Matsuri being there represent ID & JP respectively, so there's clearly a motivation to it that's also making sure no one is just explicitly nationally isolated in that representation and there's a unified presence. The fact of the matter is that we don't *_know_* anything about what's going on with the individual interest or business relationships that are motivating those decisions, so no one's really in a position to make an informed opinion on this more than the people who are directly involved in doing it - and as I pointed out, the EXPECTATION is that they aren't going to overtly comment on it, because that's the best thing to do at this point to make an accurate neutral assessment of the environment there currently.
As such, it IS still worth being hesitant given the past history, but ultimately being supportive of the talents taking what we all know are difficult steps that they can't be as open about as they'd like to be - and remembering that _you don't ever get the opportunity to positively influence people or environments without actually being there._ China makes that exponentially more difficult than basically anywhere else for this type of thing, and as such those impacts can have a bigger positive influence if they're allowed to do so and can do that safely.
From a corporate perspective, it's also worth remembering that Niji is there and that they still are a real competitor in the space despite how the West views them for their extremely harsh treatment of talent amongst a laundry list of other things. The last thing anyone wants is for Niji to end up being hyper successful by doubling down on its restrictive & abusive policies because doing that enables them to access a massive audience (and thus a revenue source) that it can completely shut Cover out of, and reach a point where it can just out-compete by out spending. (Anyone paying attention to VTubing interactions with the NBA & MLB will know that that's definitely still something that's happening). It's difficult to communicate just how much more power corporate entities have and how much of an impact they make in Japan and how that can be positive OR negative.
Moreso than anything, I just also wanted to include the reminder that Fubuki is the constant barometer for things in HoloLive in general, but _especially_ when it comes to THIS and Cover's history dealing with it. If she's not shaken by what's going on - trust that she knows everything about it more than anyone else externally. So long as she's there, trust in HoloLive and remember that at least at Cover we know that they'll actually have the support of those around them if things get sketchy (unlike some other places).
There's a lot of questions to be had. From what little I remember seeing, it looked like B2 were the ones to reach out to Cover, but rules were set up to avoid a repeat incident. I don't know how you can get around the whole "don't mention Taiwan," since I expect that will be held up by B2 outside of their platform because of the whole nationalism thing. But otherwise, it sounds like B2 is at least implying they'll assist with dealing with antis as well.
Like was said, there's no way I am forgetting the anti campaign. I doubt I'll forgive it, either, because that's a level of petty that should be eradicated, but if the talents understand it and are willing to take the step, good for them. It's not different than the rest of the antis except for volume if it does blow up, and there's plenty of ways to still deal with it.
Doesn't sound like Cover was obligated to make an announcement for what sounds like Kobo and like 2 others who bothered to accept streaming to B2, so...there's that. As long as their content doesn't change and they're walking on eggshells, then cool. We're just along for the ride. Can only hope it remains a good one.
Is kobo going to continue to stream on youtube as well or strictly bili bili or whatever the chinese version of youtube is?
It’s most likely just for event coming up. She’ll return to TH-cam when it’s over.
She just posted on TH-cam 4 hours ago
You know who are as toxic as the antis during the Taiwan incident? The people stuck up on the incident that keep on bringing up that they "were there" to support Coco YET not there anymore for Kson. The numbers don't lie. Kson's numbers right now can't compete with Coco post-Taiwan incident. Where are these die-hard Coco defenders on Kson's streams?
And also notice how 99% of them are EN fans that believe they are owed an explanation for every action Cover does. These people most definitely don't even watch these vtubers regularly and only appear when there's "drama" to talk about.
Privilege, hypocrisy, self-righteous toxicity at its finest.
EN and superiority complex. Name a better duo
@@Halietus
EN TRASH
It would be ironic if Kobo got harassed from the EN side for streaming on bilibili than from the CN side 😂
that would be funny, you can say this is more like Hogwarts incidents, but Hololive EN 'fans' vs CN.
In kobo I believe, she is already part of China, maybe, but definitely Kaela has Chinese blood. So I don't care about fans en, when she streamed in the lunar new year she got a lot of supachat from the mainland republic of China. Indonesia also has a lot of cooperation with China including the construction of fast trains, if this is a misunderstanding, one thing is for sure, Indonesian fans will not remain silent if Chinese fans offend kobo with bad things. Let kobo fans fully support the talents especially their oshi, if you are too much prejudiced because of bad events in the past, why are you living in the present if you still harbor bad things in the past? move on, its just the same you don't support the talents. let id fans cook if this leads to unwanted things, you en fans are too two-faced, double standards. I know some of you were kobo haters.
I know this is shocking and upsetting for many of us. But I rather sad that many holofans just turn against Kobo so easily. What they did with harrassing her are no better than those people 3 years ago..
People forgot that the whole chaos happened because the ex-CN members fuels their fanbase to spread the hate.
Kobo is hololive ID, no reason to lit the CN nationalism stuff. The ID fanbase are also aware of this, and want to protect her so the whole thing doesnt happened again. So please remember, don't hurt the talent.
you guys forget kobo is indonesian ?
As an Indonesian,i think she will doing good on bilibili since we are not on the antis list,its from my opinion and anything can be wrong from this
Opini gua pribadi sii kebanyakan ID Fanbase blom terlalu ngikutin di tragedi Coco tapi gua yakin sihh kalo emang ada Chinese antis nyoba nyerang Kobo dan fanbase tau gua rasa mampu dilawan balik mengingat bukan cuma ID yang Support Kobo ada SEA Community yang pastinya akan support dia.
buat para veteran yang ngikutin kaya gimana kacaunya di tragedi itu santai ajalah masa udh berlalu gaush berkelakuan kaya orang PTSD atau apa kalian terlalu lebay, ada alasan buat Kobo dan Manajemen nyoba lagi hal tersebut, beberapa data juga ngasih kalo Kobo cukup dikenal di CN Market jadi manajemennya mungkin mau nyoba nyari kesempatan kedua buat Holo coba ngerambah CN Market lagi..
Emg kejadian coco itu kaya mana sih? Masih awam aku
Not the smartest move for Hololive, especially after the events in Tawiain itself. While Kobo can likely handle this, Holo as a whole would have been much better just letting sleeping dogs lie and the bridge burned.
i love how these westerners forgot, that Cover know what kind of kusogaki Kobo and her fans are, they were loose canons
The people that are trying to downplay this were probably not around when the Coco situation happened a couple of years back. It was bad. Really, really, really bad. Cover had to suspend Hachaama and Coco not out of any sort of punishment, but to protect them in a vain attempt to get the heat off of them. But it didn't work. A lot of the talent got harassed so badly, with Coco and Fubuki getting the worst of it. Even after Coco left Fubuki was still a target, and others became targets when collabing with them. Hell, for several months chats were stuck in either subscriber only or member only chats, and they weren't even being displayed on screen.
I honestly think this incident is why it took so long for Coco to collab with the EN talents. We lost months of great content because of it.
So for the fans that were around back then, who are seeing this now, are right to be concerned. Because seven talents were lost thanks to that incident. The hope is that Cover has learned the right lessons from it and are prepared to pull out at a moments notice, assuming this will be more frequent. And I have hope in the rumor that Bilibili had to make concessions to Cover just to get them to return in some fashion.
Though I'm concerned about the EN talent and if they'll be forced to stream on it. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get Gura, but I hope the Myth girls at the very least remember what happened and have enough pull to veto it.
And apparently you don't know why CN antis said Haachama was punished too much while Kaichou was punished too little. Everyone only remembers the "Fire Kiryu Coco or we stop clipping and private our clips" part that Hololive Moments said in their long post. CN antis already hated Kaichou even before the Taiwan thing, it just gave them a nuke to use on her.
@@HudaefCares Oh, I know exactly why. I was there and saw it happen. When Haachama spoke of her analytics, then Coco doing it a few hours later, long suspected to be done to take the heat off of her. So I would like to thank you very much for not making such statements about me.
@@cabutler1 And Subaru did the same thing a day or two before Haachama did. What backlash did Subaru get? Nothing lol, partly coz she wasn't popular at the time. A case of "if a tree fell in the forest and no one heard, did it even fall at all?" (probably fcked up the analogy lol) Reading google analytics was good content so the "saving" was only a coincidence, Kaichou wasn't planning on saving anyone. The hate CN antis felt for Kaichou, imo, was because she's American.
Also, what statement did I say about you? I was talking about how most comments here don't seem to question why CN antis hated Kiryu Coco that much. The amount of hate she received was unreal, that wasn't because of saying Taiwan. 99% of the time Taiwan mentions end after apologies are made. She's the 1%.
@@HudaefCares "And apparently you don't know why CN antis said Haachama was punished too much while Kaichou was punished too little."
That statement. But this is where it ends, because this is exactly what those antis want. Us at each other instead of showing a unified front. We both must stop the sniping of one another and remember who we must prepare for.
@@cabutler1 I mentioned that to illustrate that Haachama wasn't saved, the antis's target was Kiryu Coco all along. Personally I despise the "Kaichou saved Haachama" narrative coz it probably gave Haachama survivor's guilt, especially when it got mentioned a lot. Idk how good her English is, (plus there's a chance she understands English more than she lets on) but she probably understood what people were saying back then. She once cried on stream while apologizing to Kaichou, eventually feeling better about herself when she met up with Kaichou and Kanata. Ofc idk if my theory is true but judging from the events that played out it makes sense to me.
Topics you need to avoid so you wouldn't get in trouble.
China: Geopolitics.
Western countries: China,Russia,N.Korea,Middel-east,War, LGBT, Race, Politics, The game you play, The brand of food you eat/drinks, the kind of books you read and many more.
The food brand is quite funny though. I see more western people start to attack people when Mcdonald's or Starbucks are mentioned
I am wary of everything West Taiwan related