Quick note: I realized I forgot to install the Stop Rods on the pedals, which can lead to misjudging the deadzone area. While I believe the software should include calibration options to address such issues, this situation highlights a potential problem for users. I've conducted testing in the past and never encountered anything similar, so this seems like an isolated case caused by my oversight. However, this raises an important concern: if this can happen to an experienced user like me, it’s even more likely to confuse first-time users. I firmly believe that highlighting this step as a critical part of the unboxing process is absolutely necessary.
@@Chickendip Very true - and a mistake like this is much more likely to happen for "experienced user" who thinks he knows what he is doing and overlooks manuals. 20 years in tech and home appliances aftersales has tought me more than anything else to read manuals.
Great review. I got mine as a Christmas present from wife and I love it! Coming from T150 and T300. Had the T150 for a year and a half and the T300 for only 2 months and returned due to overheating issue. T598 is a night and day compared to those. Can't wait for GT7 to have 100% integration and TM drop a few more updates down the road. Only race in GT7 and online and after 30 min of use, I shaved .200's from by best time in daily C with a lot to improve.
Hi! I´m planning to get a T598 wheel base only, whenever is available in the market during 2025. I´m running a T150 with a 3TPA-Pro pedals that I´m planning to keep. As is, would you describe a little bit of those differences between the T598 and T150? I´m also racing in GT7 only. Thanks!
How can anyone like a wheel that has these flaws ? Your not getting realiasam ! And the pedals ??! That dead zone is an absolute deal breaker !! Just stay with Belt drive and wait until you can upgrade to a PC
@arielb_turkoissestraps6918 it's a night and day difference in FFB, feel much less than a toy and have a lot of potential. Besides what people says, this weel have good amount of force specially in gr3 cars. I only race online and gr3 and gr4 cars. In my opinion, this is the best wheel you can get on that price point for GT7. 🎉
I upgraded from Thrustmaster T248 to the T598, and only race in PSVR2, so the size of the base is not an issue for me. I am very happy with it, and I hear they are working with Polyphony on getting it to be fully compatible with GT7.
@@garybalaban6129 went from the t248 to the t300 and was surprised as it was a big difference lol now I’m with the t598 same like yourself mainly using vr2 it’s a fantastic bundle for ps players wanting a DD
Got this for Christmas. Have been using a G29 for the last 4 years and I can say that this has been a very solid upgrade so far. As a casual gamer (driver rating A/A+) this is all I need. Biggest thing for me to get used to is the new brake feeling. Size of the base doesn’t bother me as I play solely in VR
I owned 3 TGT’s because they would breakdown every 11 months and luckily the seller would always replace with a new one. I enjoyed the Thrustmaster ecosystem but oddly I found the Logitech G29 to have a superior build quality and was far more reliable. I’ve had a G29 for 6 years and it has never failed. When the time came for an upgrade I went with Fanatec. This is the best and most balanced review I’ve seen. Great video!
great video super concise, most reviews spend forever explaining the new tech but this was perfect. Also not many give in game proof of laptime consistency, super nice addition, definitely subbed.
-Pedal deadzone? User error. Read the manual. You forgot the pin. - overheating? Never had that. Mine gets to about 45 degrees, no degration in performance. Makes me believe you have not ajusted the settings as recommended by Thrustmaster for gt7. Mine is at 100% and extreme played over 4 hours at a time. -once the wheel gets fully supported by gt7 it will be even better. It is now capped by the blue mode and false profile. Ok, they should have made it fully supported at release. -base is huge, indeed
This is not a user error, the video you provided shows exactly the same scenario that I used in my testing. But you're probably not noticing any of the other issues presented. May I know your driver rating?
Your driver rating has a significant difference when making a review. Without knowing how to drive properly can significantly impact your judgement of what the product is capable of. I can say it's good or bad, but what is the real value behind that statement? That's why it's very important to test equipment in competitive conditions, otherwise you can play on the controller and don't even think about some of the issues mentioned. But I'm still trying to find what you are indicating with the deadzone issue. I compared the two photos and I still can't see any difference. Also, I asked TM about this issue and they haven't given me any additional instructions, which again indicates everything is fine with my installation.
@@DigitRacingDG driver rating says nothing about these problems or errors I don't have. Not overheating has nothing to do with my rating. Could be a defective unit you have. When you read the manual about assembling the pedals you see that there are 2 pins to be inserted through the side next to the hinge. You can see in your video you didn't do that.
@@Chickendip You mentioned "no degradation in performance" and that's the reason I'm asking. Maybe your in-game setting are lower than mine, maybe there is something else that I don't know about. That's why the question about your driver rating, which again you don't want to share. But okay, now I see the 2 pins, I have to mention this for future users.
This is of massive interest to me as I save for my 1st wheel and rig - a load cell pedal and recognised GT7 compatibility will be the deciding factors for me.
Ive been using the t598 since launch. I have not had that oscillation issue when not playing. Locking in the correct settings and the latest updates when the inertia setting was added will make all the difference. There is a sweet spot. And i run mine 100% everytime i use it and has always felt responsive. Also havent had the pedal issues🤷♂️. Use it on pc and console. Been great
About the pedal dead zone it's because he forget to install the Stop Rods. On the video at 5:03. It's clearly notified on the quick install guide, the user manual & the video tutorial: th-cam.com/video/AIwTRUo2ApU/w-d-xo.html. And on my side I don't have any overheating on my T598 base.
Yea i dont like it when reviewers don't put or have or want the time to give an actuall use case scenerio of a product. This wheel setup is awsome. And the price is the cherry on top. I'm very happy with my t598. My settings ate locked in and pedal springs right where I want them. Have a blast cruising or racing with it
This unit will be a cracking deal in the used market when people decided they don't want to sim race any more or upgrade, just like the G27/G29 series.
I use it since 5 weeks in GT78 only and i like it! I only play with PSVR2 so the height is not a problem for me. The mounting adapter is nice and i also only use two screws on my sim cockpit but its very solid. The mounting adapter has the benefit that it gives you the needed angle! The oscilation was never a problem for me, its a small minus point but i dont care if i am honest. The wheel itself feels cheap and the buttons sometimes dont react but i am glad the wheel is cheap because that dropped the price to 499 Euros. I could upgrade to lets say the hypercar wheel anytime if i want. Yes the base gets hot but so far it has not influenced my driving. I had the T300RS before and this T598 feels much better and more quality. My brother has the Fanatec GT DD pro 8nm, its also nice, better base quality, the wheels itself is plastic as well but feels a bit better, however paddle shifters are plastic. The GT DD Pro base is really heavy, so you need a good and solid sim cockpit otherwise you will get flex, i think the T598 can also go with cheaper sim cockpits without flex. I have my wheel alot higher paced compared to the position in this video and yes it will block the screen if you use a TV etc. If you use a special monitor you can install it a bit higher, however since i only use the VR headstrap its a non issue for me. The quick release is working good, its reinforced plastic, i guess like in modern pistols, so its good but not CNC machined stuff like in fanatec products, so its functional but its not pleasing for the eye like fanatec, so is the base. Its heavy and its i guess cast metal but not cnc machined aluminium like the GT DD Pro.
How is the constant torque in T598 vs DD Pro 8nm? This is by far the biggest question I have with T598. T598 claims 5nm+overshoot and I guess Dd Pro 8nm in 8nm PEAK? Does T598 compare to 5nm or 8nm fanatec? These Nm are as useless as comparing basic speakers by wattage..😂 If you take a high downforce car through a long fast turn or accelerate out of turn how is the constant torque representing the grip/self alligning of the tires? You are in an unique position to test this that every reviewer so far seem to have failed, if you have access to both t598 and fanatec 8nm - thank you!😊 Im not really interested in comparison between t598 and DD+, as those are supposed to be at very different level. You can buy two of t598s with the price of DD+ base only..😂
The wheelbase can be mounted onto an NLR FGT with 4 bolts when using the included adapter, I was also able to mount the pedals with 4 bolts (I did not have to do any drilling). Currently, the biggest issue with the T598 is compatibility, especially on PC (other than ACC, where it shines). I also have a G923 (had the G29 before that) and the T598 is a significant step up, other than plug-n-play capability. TM released this wheel before the software side was ready, hopefully they can improve it quickly.
Great and honest review. True that there's isn't any competitor at this price. But still oscillations, huge sized tall base, heat issues, calibration... I'm so happy I'm on Fanatec. Despite of DD+ or my another Fanny stuff wasn't cheap.
Your review is excellent for helping people make informed decisions. You go through the package point by point, without rushing, and giving the good, the not so good, and what alternatives are out there for each point. In the end, someone can choose to purchase this wheel based on your review and have a very good understanding of what they can expect.
Omg, How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments. Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame. This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases. Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product. You will be ashamed of this video in the future, when the truth is revealed. Do not fall for this lie. If you really need it, take the DD PRO Fanatec. Even a Moza R5 with an adapter will be much better than this garbage. In addition to all this, it still heats up and the manufacturer recommends to lower the FF, which already has near to zero power. Show yourself people who have experience using real DD and who tried to play on this base. Just express your opinion. There are none. Go through the comments and you will not find a single positive comment from people who have experience playing on real DD bases. Only those who have not had such experience. Be reasonable.
how would this wheel compare to the TGT 2 as my TGT2 is starting to fail and needing to look at a replacement. Peddles do not worry me as ill use my TCML peddles.
I’ve had two of these wheel bases since launch and both had the heating and loss of performance issue. It was very disappointing. I’m just happy I was able to return them both times. I really wanted to like this product but I just couldn’t bring myself to keep it know that it would only get worse over time.
Hi and thanks for all your streaming! I really enjoy watching! I have a old T300 with the SF1000 wheel and T-LCM pedals. I am planning to buy the T-GT II base next month, but should I buy this T598 instead?
Some say the TGT is better for GT because the FFB was created specially for that game, so its more "refined". But the TGT wont get updated anymore, the T598 will. GT8 may not have a update for the TGT, it will probably will for the T598. And so on. So for the "now" maybe the TGT is better, but for the "future" I would put my bets on the T598.
This was a very balanced and well reviewed point of view from you thank you. Personally I’m waiting on more updates and full compatibility with gt7 before I think about this wheel base
I am glad you got a wheel to review. That means they know you exist. Yeah, I am not impressed. I had a T500 for years and I loved it. On this base some reviewers say that they updated it and it improved. Some not so much. I had even heard that it does not work w/o updating on a PC. I am glad to hear that is not true. Good review.
07:04 - What an absolute nightmare! This is the rig i have and im totally put off now buying this wheel. What was Thrustmaster thinking!! Is it true GT7 does not officially support it? It is a real shame that Fanatec on PS5 is so expensive compared to their PC offerings.
I’ve had mine since October. I’m in the U.S. very good review and pretty much hit everything on the nose. Only detail about the force feedback is that I believe that has to do with the game software In GT7 cause in ACC everything you said you don’t feel in GT you feel in ACC. The dead zone in pedals is still there though.
For a g29 user who reach A+ in EMEA and some competitive Times in road Cars , maybe for grow up more this is not enough, maybe a fanatec DD pro its the way, but, the price, make this a contender
2:43 "...but with the boost kit it [cost] goes significantly higher." If it needs a boost kit, that means it's a subpar product on its own. Otherwise, there would just be the standard version.
Depends on your goals. If you are starting on Simracing and are not sure if this is for you, or if you just play 1h per day just to have fun, the G29/923 is more than enough. If you are planning to go beyond, taking this a bit more serious, T598 its a better recommendation, specially because you can upgrade it with time.
Sorry, but i can't agree. Pedals dont have such a dead zone, and the wheel movement has been already solved with the new update and the setup menu on the base (Also happened only on gr1 cars). As for the noise, is not like that at all. Have mine for almost a month and is none of that. Overheating and 15%? To avoid it? Sorry. Maybe i misunderstood but that is absolutely not like that. I mean, honestly dont think its good and honest review
Yes about the pedal dead zone it's because he forget to install the Stop Rods. On the video at 5:03. It's clearly notified on the quick install guide, the user manual & the video tutorial: th-cam.com/video/AIwTRUo2ApU/w-d-xo.html. And on my side I don't have any overheating on my T598 base.
How does this wheel compare to the PXN V12 Lite? I have a PXN v10 but want a DD feel this thrustmaster wheel is $500 only on best buy in US and V12 lite is $440 on Amazon
The PX V12 Lite a true direct drive (DD) product. It is significantly superior, being ten times better. Do not even consider comparing these products. How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments. Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame. This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases. Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product. revealed. Be reasonable.
@Olas-GE ty this helps with my decision immensely as I already have experience dealing with their products. I'm going to be making the purchase in a few weeks.
@@MrTonee12 Glad that I helped you. Regarding the PXN V12 Lite, I would advise you to very clearly discuss the terms of return and replacement under warranty with the supplier, especially the terms of delivery times under warranty. There are rumors on the net, that they have a significant percentage of defects. This is of course not critical, but anyway, if possible, very clearly clarify these questions. Also, if Plaisation is not a priority for you, I would draw your attention to the R5 bundle from Moza Racing. It is a little more expensive, but they have an excellent reputation.
Great review with professional approach. The wheel is worth to consider as a good contender vs other expensive rigs. But is it better than TGT2 servo base equipped with light wheel like TM open wheel or Ferrari 488 GT3 rim, both light and functional, paired with TCLM pedals could be better option especially bcos it would be only slightly more expensive. The question is.Can belt driven wheel paired with light wheel rim overcome direct drive wheel or at least match the performance of newer technology, it has also more adittional features like transducer etc which gives more immersive experiance in VR. And finally is the DDpro or DDplus that much better or it is more like, the more you use certain thing the more you get use to it.
hi ive had a TGT since launch in 2017 never had any problems and only gets luke warm even after 3hrs play now i was going to get the T598 base only when available next year however im now not so sure as i have read in quite a few places that if you have a tgt 1 or tgt 2 you might be somewhat disappointed by the lite feel of the t598 some say tgt 2 gives a far better feel of force feedback and is very smoothe even thou belt driven so i am going to get a TGT 2 base instead of the T598 as im not convinced that its far better than the TGT 2 wheel !! being i already have other thrustmaster wheels and load cell pedals already im going to buy just the TGT2 wheel base which is around £350 to £400 mark !! I would certainly say that you cannot beat the TGT 2 with the special effects of the built in transducer for playing GT7 !!
@tb6539 yeah, i also have TCLM manipulators, with 2 custom wheels, i am using the lightest one which is significantly lighter. The differences are quite big. Orginal TGT2 wheel rim 2.5kg, mass located inside but also on outer parts of the rim, the sparcos are around 1.5kg, the ferrari 488 gt3 which has a lot of buttons and is nice around 1.15kg, the open wheel TM 0.85kg. So there is a lot of different configurations. This does not apply directly to direct drive as a same value, in DD you can simply increse nm strength, and there should be no lag, but for belt drive more mass equals higher inertia of the wheel rim that influe the elastic nature of the belt, so the delay or lag occurs. Also you wouldnt be able to use the wheel at macimum strength, is simply undrivable. Most likey 40-50% is enough. But this applies also to other people so have T300 etc they could use less force etc. Even if it has vibrations, transducer and other features it is still not direct drive, therefore configuration like DDpro or DDPlus with formula 2.5 might be supperior in pure speed or regularity in lap time
@@maveric19871 hi thanks for your reply i use the sparco rally wheel on my tgt i dont feel any lag or any difference in the force feedback i play mostly EA wrc rally game so therefore i have the wheel fairly light as they do in real wrc cars they have the steering light so they can make ultra fast corrections on the wheel its so light that they can take the wheel off and still turn the wheels just using their hand on the steering column for instance in my force feedback settings in game i have the SAT at around 40 to 45 so im not using no where near its full strength .I often read how gamers / sim racers have their wheels right up high all you will be doing is wrestling the wheel and loosing stage / lap times !! With my settings i can feel oversteer / understeer weight transfer etc and i always use cockpit view for real immersion its down to each persons own choice but bonnet view is not realistic or immersive its arcade , you will be faster in bonnet view as you can see more and the force feedback is somewhat toned down ? rally drivers do not sit in the middle of the rally car looking out over the centre of the bonnet !! same as in F1 titles lots of gamers use the tv pod view which is what you see in replays on tv or in the actual race if you use cockpit mode its more realistic !!
@@tb6539 sparco rally is one of tbe largest available rim reaching 33cm in diameter. It has possibly the least performance due to higher mass and mass location (the rotational forces, torque that has to move object moved father from central point). But also might give the best experiancr in immersion for games like CityBus, Eurotrack simulator2, Pedal to the metal etc. Honestly nowadays is really hard to get one, but having it especially for non racing games would be fantastic, also rally game like Dirt 2.0 must be plausible
Coming from the t300rs gt with TCLM Pedals I would like to try only the Wheel and Base without the Pedals, but tbh they do not look that bad, and my pedals just broke after exact 2 years.
Omg, How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments. Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame. This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases. Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product.
I think I got better luck with pedals than you, no such deadzone for me. Or I just can't recognize it. Also lucky for me that I'm weak enough for the wheel, having it 4 in Gt7 is enough for me. It feels improvement from t300. But I don't like the shaking while driving straight. Another complaint is the lower right button combo, which cannot be configured.
Jeez... in all honesty but there is absolutely no excuse for a 500$/€ device, that it ships with deadzones in the pedals. Literally reminds me about Thrustmaster T300 RS GT, 350€ device and the same play in pedals and lackluster feedback. Theres a point where the quality of a device is so damn bad, that you dont even want it for free and thats literally Thrustmaster right here. If you can afford 500€ for a trash product, then you should easily be able to afford a Fanatec for 750€ and get that proper quality you actually pay for and deserve for the money you spent. If that Thrustmaster was like a 100$ product ok fine but 500 already and you get what exactly for this much money? In such a case you are clearly better off with no device at all because sth like that will ruin your joy with ease entirely.
Good review, but looking so many reviews on TH-cam looks like every reviewer has the same opinion about this wheel. I think I’ll stick to my TGT II + LCM pedals because it definitely has more torque and detail than what I assume the T598 is lacking from.
Yes TGT II all day for me as well. I tried the T598 at a friends and wasn't impressed. Something felt off in GT7 VR. If you look at price point the T598 is actually a downgrade of a TGT II. I think peeps get caught up in all the Direct Drive marketing jargon. You can feel the road so much better in the TGT II. With T598 I felt like I was only racing by my eyes and not the feel of the road like I do on my TGT II.
@ great answer man, thank you for your feedback. TM needs to step up the game with a better option at least for console users. I was totally expecting something similar or in the range of the T818 for console but I guess they are not ready for it or don’t feel the need for it. I really enjoy my TGT II which is basically plug and play with almost every game I tried it on.
I could overlook the other shortcomings mentioned but that continuous ferocious back and forth oscillating wheel when you're not holding it is very concerning. Hope they fix that.
What about the horrible button mapping? Not to say that some buttons are on the base itself? And the pedal tray that’s just too small if you want to add a clutch pedal afterwords… In my opinion you went light with the down sides… I feel you have to make a lot of compromises if you buy this wheel. When I compare it to my DD Pro, yes it’s 200$ more but I feel it’s well worth the difference in the long run. Practicality of installation, very compact base not getting in the way of the screen or legs, no heating issues, easy to upgrade the in the future (pedals or wheel), perfect mapping of the buttons on the wheel (at least with GT7), wheel not oscillating al the time… I personally think all of this is well worth the 200.-.
Its the worst wheelbase ove ever gotten to test in the dd realm. Also dont think about using any other thrustmaster wheels with it just denolishes the wheelbase. Even way more compared to other 5 to 8nm wheelbases. It turns it into what feels like a 2nm wheelbase. Smooth is great for sure but this frictionless axial flux motor imo shouldnt be used for sim racing. Way to many flaws come with this motor and is why others havent used it. Its a cheaper solution in smaller form and well this wheelbase is a weak weak 5nm wheelbase that cant stand up to any weight with a wheel. People think they made the wheel that light and cheap just to be cheap. No its because it sucks without it and even with it isnt great.
Omg, How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments. Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame. This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases. Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product.
This is way more of a headache than it's worth. It is slightly better than belt driven, but brings a bunch of nonsense you'll need to deal with. For double the price of the Logitech it's definitely not worth it.
Quick note:
I realized I forgot to install the Stop Rods on the pedals, which can lead to misjudging the deadzone area. While I believe the software should include calibration options to address such issues, this situation highlights a potential problem for users. I've conducted testing in the past and never encountered anything similar, so this seems like an isolated case caused by my oversight. However, this raises an important concern: if this can happen to an experienced user like me, it’s even more likely to confuse first-time users.
I firmly believe that highlighting this step as a critical part of the unboxing process is absolutely necessary.
@@DigitRacingDG it is in the setup guide. So, you did not read the instructions. That is not a concern for thrustmaster
@@Chickendip Very true - and a mistake like this is much more likely to happen for "experienced user" who thinks he knows what he is doing and overlooks manuals. 20 years in tech and home appliances aftersales has tought me more than anything else to read manuals.
Great review. I got mine as a Christmas present from wife and I love it! Coming from T150 and T300. Had the T150 for a year and a half and the T300 for only 2 months and returned due to overheating issue. T598 is a night and day compared to those. Can't wait for GT7 to have 100% integration and TM drop a few more updates down the road. Only race in GT7 and online and after 30 min of use, I shaved .200's from by best time in daily C with a lot to improve.
Hi! I´m planning to get a T598 wheel base only, whenever is available in the market during 2025. I´m running a T150 with a 3TPA-Pro pedals that I´m planning to keep. As is, would you describe a little bit of those differences between the T598 and T150? I´m also racing in GT7 only. Thanks!
Great to hear, The missus got me one for Christmas but here in Canada they’re on back order until mid January so have to wait patiently
How can anyone like a wheel that has these flaws ? Your not getting realiasam ! And the pedals ??! That dead zone is an absolute deal breaker !! Just stay with Belt drive and wait until you can upgrade to a PC
@arielb_turkoissestraps6918 it's a night and day difference in FFB, feel much less than a toy and have a lot of potential. Besides what people says, this weel have good amount of force specially in gr3 cars. I only race online and gr3 and gr4 cars. In my opinion, this is the best wheel you can get on that price point for GT7. 🎉
@@billynolanjr2266yoy added the stopper for the pedals? There's no dead zone on mine
I upgraded from Thrustmaster T248 to the T598, and only race in PSVR2, so the size of the base is not an issue for me. I am very happy with it, and I hear they are working with Polyphony on getting it to be fully compatible with GT7.
@@garybalaban6129 went from the t248 to the t300 and was surprised as it was a big difference lol now I’m with the t598 same like yourself mainly using vr2 it’s a fantastic bundle for ps players wanting a DD
Got this for Christmas. Have been using a G29 for the last 4 years and I can say that this has been a very solid upgrade so far. As a casual gamer (driver rating A/A+) this is all I need. Biggest thing for me to get used to is the new brake feeling. Size of the base doesn’t bother me as I play solely in VR
Hello, I have a G29 and I am a B/S driver. Can I get to A/A+ with a G29 you think?
Absolutely
I owned 3 TGT’s because they would breakdown every 11 months and luckily the seller would always replace with a new one. I enjoyed the Thrustmaster ecosystem but oddly I found the Logitech G29 to have a superior build quality and was far more reliable. I’ve had a G29 for 6 years and it has never failed. When the time came for an upgrade I went with Fanatec. This is the best and most balanced review I’ve seen. Great video!
great video super concise, most reviews spend forever explaining the new tech but this was perfect. Also not many give in game proof of laptime consistency, super nice addition, definitely subbed.
That thing is huge. Moza R5 would've been a better option if it was compatible with PS5
@@user.asleep I sent them a message on fb. They replied that they are very hard to get the PlayStation license to get compatibility
-Pedal deadzone? User error. Read the manual. You forgot the pin.
- overheating? Never had that. Mine gets to about 45 degrees, no degration in performance. Makes me believe you have not ajusted the settings as recommended by Thrustmaster for gt7. Mine is at 100% and extreme played over 4 hours at a time.
-once the wheel gets fully supported by gt7 it will be even better. It is now capped by the blue mode and false profile. Ok, they should have made it fully supported at release.
-base is huge, indeed
This is not a user error, the video you provided shows exactly the same scenario that I used in my testing.
But you're probably not noticing any of the other issues presented.
May I know your driver rating?
I did not provide you with a video... You forgot the 2 pins in the pedals. So user error. What does my rating had to do with it?
Your driver rating has a significant difference when making a review.
Without knowing how to drive properly can significantly impact your judgement of what the product is capable of.
I can say it's good or bad, but what is the real value behind that statement?
That's why it's very important to test equipment in competitive conditions, otherwise you can play on the controller and don't even think about some of the issues mentioned.
But I'm still trying to find what you are indicating with the deadzone issue. I compared the two photos and I still can't see any difference.
Also, I asked TM about this issue and they haven't given me any additional instructions, which again indicates everything is fine with my installation.
@@DigitRacingDG driver rating says nothing about these problems or errors I don't have. Not overheating has nothing to do with my rating. Could be a defective unit you have. When you read the manual about assembling the pedals you see that there are 2 pins to be inserted through the side next to the hinge. You can see in your video you didn't do that.
@@Chickendip You mentioned "no degradation in performance" and that's the reason I'm asking. Maybe your in-game setting are lower than mine, maybe there is something else that I don't know about. That's why the question about your driver rating, which again you don't want to share.
But okay, now I see the 2 pins, I have to mention this for future users.
This is of massive interest to me as I save for my 1st wheel and rig - a load cell pedal and recognised GT7 compatibility will be the deciding factors for me.
Ive been using the t598 since launch. I have not had that oscillation issue when not playing. Locking in the correct settings and the latest updates when the inertia setting was added will make all the difference. There is a sweet spot. And i run mine 100% everytime i use it and has always felt responsive. Also havent had the pedal issues🤷♂️. Use it on pc and console. Been great
About the pedal dead zone it's because he forget to install the Stop Rods. On the video at 5:03. It's clearly notified on the quick install guide, the user manual & the video tutorial: th-cam.com/video/AIwTRUo2ApU/w-d-xo.html. And on my side I don't have any overheating on my T598 base.
Yea i dont like it when reviewers don't put or have or want the time to give an actuall use case scenerio of a product. This wheel setup is awsome. And the price is the cherry on top. I'm very happy with my t598. My settings ate locked in and pedal springs right where I want them. Have a blast cruising or racing with it
This unit will be a cracking deal in the used market when people decided they don't want to sim race any more or upgrade, just like the G27/G29 series.
Why didn't you install the stop rod on your sample 😳??? That explains your pedals dead-zone issue.
HI DIGIT MERRY CHRISTMASSSS
I use it since 5 weeks in GT78 only and i like it! I only play with PSVR2 so the height is not a problem for me. The mounting adapter is nice and i also only use two screws on my sim cockpit but its very solid. The mounting adapter has the benefit that it gives you the needed angle! The oscilation was never a problem for me, its a small minus point but i dont care if i am honest. The wheel itself feels cheap and the buttons sometimes dont react but i am glad the wheel is cheap because that dropped the price to 499 Euros. I could upgrade to lets say the hypercar wheel anytime if i want. Yes the base gets hot but so far it has not influenced my driving. I had the T300RS before and this T598 feels much better and more quality. My brother has the Fanatec GT DD pro 8nm, its also nice, better base quality, the wheels itself is plastic as well but feels a bit better, however paddle shifters are plastic. The GT DD Pro base is really heavy, so you need a good and solid sim cockpit otherwise you will get flex, i think the T598 can also go with cheaper sim cockpits without flex. I have my wheel alot higher paced compared to the position in this video and yes it will block the screen if you use a TV etc. If you use a special monitor you can install it a bit higher, however since i only use the VR headstrap its a non issue for me. The quick release is working good, its reinforced plastic, i guess like in modern pistols, so its good but not CNC machined stuff like in fanatec products, so its functional but its not pleasing for the eye like fanatec, so is the base. Its heavy and its i guess cast metal but not cnc machined aluminium like the GT DD Pro.
How is the constant torque in T598 vs DD Pro 8nm? This is by far the biggest question I have with T598. T598 claims 5nm+overshoot and I guess Dd Pro 8nm in 8nm PEAK? Does T598 compare to 5nm or 8nm fanatec? These Nm are as useless as comparing basic speakers by wattage..😂 If you take a high downforce car through a long fast turn or accelerate out of turn how is the constant torque representing the grip/self alligning of the tires? You are in an unique position to test this that every reviewer so far seem to have failed, if you have access to both t598 and fanatec 8nm - thank you!😊
Im not really interested in comparison between t598 and DD+, as those are supposed to be at very different level. You can buy two of t598s with the price of DD+ base only..😂
Great review, but if im not mistaken the collar for the QR system is forged carbon instead of plastic.
The wheelbase can be mounted onto an NLR FGT with 4 bolts when using the included adapter, I was also able to mount the pedals with 4 bolts (I did not have to do any drilling). Currently, the biggest issue with the T598 is compatibility, especially on PC (other than ACC, where it shines). I also have a G923 (had the G29 before that) and the T598 is a significant step up, other than plug-n-play capability. TM released this wheel before the software side was ready, hopefully they can improve it quickly.
As someone looking for a wheel on PC, I'd say it's an interesting offer from an established brand that I can go buy locally at Best Buy.
Great and honest review. True that there's isn't any competitor at this price. But still oscillations, huge sized tall base, heat issues, calibration... I'm so happy I'm on Fanatec. Despite of DD+ or my another Fanny stuff wasn't cheap.
8nm DD Pro user here yes I feel the same.
Your review is excellent for helping people make informed decisions. You go through the package point by point, without rushing, and giving the good, the not so good, and what alternatives are out there for each point. In the end, someone can choose to purchase this wheel based on your review and have a very good understanding of what they can expect.
Omg, How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments.
Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame.
This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases.
Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product. You will be ashamed of this video in the future, when the truth is revealed.
Do not fall for this lie. If you really need it, take the DD PRO Fanatec. Even a Moza R5 with an adapter will be much better than this garbage. In addition to all this, it still heats up and the manufacturer recommends to lower the FF, which already has near to zero power.
Show yourself people who have experience using real DD and who tried to play on this base. Just express your opinion. There are none. Go through the comments and you will not find a single positive comment from people who have experience playing on real DD bases. Only those who have not had such experience.
Be reasonable.
how would this wheel compare to the TGT 2 as my TGT2 is starting to fail and needing to look at a replacement. Peddles do not worry me as ill use my TCML peddles.
Would be nice to know when exactly it can be bought in Europe. Somewhere Q1 isn't customer friendly...
One dealer in Finland says on it's website that the estimated stock availability is 14.2.25
But we will see..
So what wheel do you recommand for decent experience ?
I’ve had two of these wheel bases since launch and both had the heating and loss of performance issue. It was very disappointing. I’m just happy I was able to return them both times. I really wanted to like this product but I just couldn’t bring myself to keep it know that it would only get worse over time.
Hi and thanks for all your streaming! I really enjoy watching! I have a old T300 with the SF1000 wheel and T-LCM pedals. I am planning to buy the T-GT II base next month, but should I buy this T598 instead?
Some say the TGT is better for GT because the FFB was created specially for that game, so its more "refined". But the TGT wont get updated anymore, the T598 will. GT8 may not have a update for the TGT, it will probably will for the T598. And so on. So for the "now" maybe the TGT is better, but for the "future" I would put my bets on the T598.
@ thanks for the answer! I will think about it for the next 2 weeks. Thanks again, efenba👍
This was a very balanced and well reviewed point of view from you thank you. Personally I’m waiting on more updates and full compatibility with gt7 before I think about this wheel base
I am glad you got a wheel to review. That means they know you exist. Yeah, I am not impressed. I had a T500 for years and I loved it. On this base some reviewers say that they updated it and it improved. Some not so much. I had even heard that it does not work w/o updating on a PC. I am glad to hear that is not true. Good review.
07:04 - What an absolute nightmare! This is the rig i have and im totally put off now buying this wheel. What was Thrustmaster thinking!!
Is it true GT7 does not officially support it? It is a real shame that Fanatec on PS5 is so expensive compared to their PC offerings.
I’ve had mine since October. I’m in the U.S. very good review and pretty much hit everything on the nose. Only detail about the force feedback is that I believe that has to do with the game software In GT7 cause in ACC everything you said you don’t feel in GT you feel in ACC. The dead zone in pedals is still there though.
For a g29 user who reach A+ in EMEA and some competitive Times in road Cars , maybe for grow up more this is not enough, maybe a fanatec DD pro its the way, but, the price, make this a contender
Mine is really good I like the t598
2:43 "...but with the boost kit it [cost] goes significantly higher." If it needs a boost kit, that means it's a subpar product on its own. Otherwise, there would just be the standard version.
Hello Digit, main question is it worth to pay 2x price for T598 instead of getting G929?
G929 is best place to start
Depends on your goals. If you are starting on Simracing and are not sure if this is for you, or if you just play 1h per day just to have fun, the G29/923 is more than enough. If you are planning to go beyond, taking this a bit more serious, T598 its a better recommendation, specially because you can upgrade it with time.
saving for fanatec
Could you please maybe do a review on the pxn v12 lite?
No
Rude
I like the TLCM pedals how do these compare digit?
So, in your opinion to gt7… Tgt-2 or T598 ???
Thanks
For the price of TGT-2 you could get a DD, T598 doesn't really have a competition in the price range.
Not sure I understand the logic of doing no PC testing when a lot of people have a PS5 and a PC. Seems like a decent wheel for the price.
Sorry, but i can't agree. Pedals dont have such a dead zone, and the wheel movement has been already solved with the new update and the setup menu on the base (Also happened only on gr1 cars). As for the noise, is not like that at all. Have mine for almost a month and is none of that. Overheating and 15%? To avoid it? Sorry. Maybe i misunderstood but that is absolutely not like that. I mean, honestly dont think its good and honest review
Yes about the pedal dead zone it's because he forget to install the Stop Rods. On the video at 5:03. It's clearly notified on the quick install guide, the user manual & the video tutorial: th-cam.com/video/AIwTRUo2ApU/w-d-xo.html. And on my side I don't have any overheating on my T598 base.
@@Jonathanfmm I have the same feeling about this review
What wheel do you use daily on ps5?
Fanatec DD+
You have my full setup here: dg-edge.com/p/stream-and-racing-setup
So where can we buy it , thrustmaster oos , Currys ( sponsored supplier) oos
In Thrustmaster official site they will direct you to the official store of your country, or to retailers.
@efenba thank you , however since launch date it's been out of stock . Disgraceful that demand wasn't anticipated 👍
I think it could work with a TLCM, but had a bad experience with Thrustmaster products , specially with overheating issues
On my side I don't have any overheating on my T598 base.
How does this wheel compare to the PXN V12 Lite? I have a PXN v10 but want a DD feel this thrustmaster wheel is $500 only on best buy in US and V12 lite is $440 on Amazon
The PX V12 Lite a true direct drive (DD) product. It is significantly superior, being ten times better. Do not even consider comparing these products.
How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments.
Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame.
This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases.
Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product. revealed.
Be reasonable.
@Olas-GE ty this helps with my decision immensely as I already have experience dealing with their products. I'm going to be making the purchase in a few weeks.
@@MrTonee12 Glad that I helped you. Regarding the PXN V12 Lite, I would advise you to very clearly discuss the terms of return and replacement under warranty with the supplier, especially the terms of delivery times under warranty. There are rumors on the net, that they have a significant percentage of defects. This is of course not critical, but anyway, if possible, very clearly clarify these questions.
Also, if Plaisation is not a priority for you, I would draw your attention to the R5 bundle from Moza Racing. It is a little more expensive, but they have an excellent reputation.
Great review with professional approach. The wheel is worth to consider as a good contender vs other expensive rigs. But is it better than TGT2 servo base equipped with light wheel like TM open wheel or Ferrari 488 GT3 rim, both light and functional, paired with TCLM pedals could be better option especially bcos it would be only slightly more expensive. The question is.Can belt driven wheel paired with light wheel rim overcome direct drive wheel or at least match the performance of newer technology, it has also more adittional features like transducer etc which gives more immersive experiance in VR. And finally is the DDpro or DDplus that much better or it is more like, the more you use certain thing the more you get use to it.
hi ive had a TGT since launch in 2017 never had any problems and only gets luke warm even after 3hrs play now i was going to get the T598 base only when available next year however im now not so sure as i have read in quite a few places that if you have a tgt 1 or tgt 2 you might be somewhat disappointed by the lite feel of the t598 some say tgt 2 gives a far better feel of force feedback and is very smoothe even thou belt driven so i am going to get a TGT 2 base instead of the T598 as im not convinced that its far better than the TGT 2 wheel !! being i already have other thrustmaster wheels and load cell pedals already im going to buy just the TGT2 wheel base which is around £350 to £400 mark !! I would certainly say that you cannot beat the TGT 2 with the special effects of the built in transducer for playing GT7 !!
@tb6539 yeah, i also have TCLM manipulators, with 2 custom wheels, i am using the lightest one which is significantly lighter. The differences are quite big. Orginal TGT2 wheel rim 2.5kg, mass located inside but also on outer parts of the rim, the sparcos are around 1.5kg, the ferrari 488 gt3 which has a lot of buttons and is nice around 1.15kg, the open wheel TM 0.85kg. So there is a lot of different configurations. This does not apply directly to direct drive as a same value, in DD you can simply increse nm strength, and there should be no lag, but for belt drive more mass equals higher inertia of the wheel rim that influe the elastic nature of the belt, so the delay or lag occurs. Also you wouldnt be able to use the wheel at macimum strength, is simply undrivable. Most likey 40-50% is enough. But this applies also to other people so have T300 etc they could use less force etc. Even if it has vibrations, transducer and other features it is still not direct drive, therefore configuration like DDpro or DDPlus with formula 2.5 might be supperior in pure speed or regularity in lap time
@@maveric19871 hi thanks for your reply i use the sparco rally wheel on my tgt i dont feel any lag or any difference in the force feedback i play mostly EA wrc rally game so therefore i have the wheel fairly light as they do in real wrc cars they have the steering light so they can make ultra fast corrections on the wheel its so light that they can take the wheel off and still turn the wheels just using their hand on the steering column for instance in my force feedback settings in game i have the SAT at around 40 to 45 so im not using no where near its full strength .I often read how gamers / sim racers have their wheels right up high all you will be doing is wrestling the wheel and loosing stage / lap times !! With my settings i can feel oversteer / understeer weight transfer etc and i always use cockpit view for real immersion its down to each persons own choice but bonnet view is not realistic or immersive its arcade , you will be faster in bonnet view as you can see more and the force feedback is somewhat toned down ? rally drivers do not sit in the middle of the rally car looking out over the centre of the bonnet !! same as in F1 titles lots of gamers use the tv pod view which is what you see in replays on tv or in the actual race if you use cockpit mode its more realistic !!
@@tb6539 sparco rally is one of tbe largest available rim reaching 33cm in diameter. It has possibly the least performance due to higher mass and mass location (the rotational forces, torque that has to move object moved father from central point). But also might give the best experiancr in immersion for games like CityBus, Eurotrack simulator2, Pedal to the metal etc. Honestly nowadays is really hard to get one, but having it especially for non racing games would be fantastic, also rally game like Dirt 2.0 must be plausible
Is it worth upgrading from the t248? I play on playstation 5.
Yes. The T248 is a hybrid of Gear and Belt systems, both which are T598 Direct Drive system.
Coming from the t300rs gt with TCLM Pedals I would like to try only the Wheel and Base without the Pedals, but tbh they do not look that bad, and my pedals just broke after exact 2 years.
Im the frensh guy who overtook you on kyoto last lap
From fransh
Im so glad i got a DD Pro instead of this
Me too
Omg, How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments.
Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame.
This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases.
Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product.
I think I got better luck with pedals than you, no such deadzone for me. Or I just can't recognize it. Also lucky for me that I'm weak enough for the wheel, having it 4 in Gt7 is enough for me. It feels improvement from t300. But I don't like the shaking while driving straight. Another complaint is the lower right button combo, which cannot be configured.
Jeez... in all honesty but there is absolutely no excuse for a 500$/€ device, that it ships with deadzones in the pedals. Literally reminds me about Thrustmaster T300 RS GT, 350€ device and the same play in pedals and lackluster feedback. Theres a point where the quality of a device is so damn bad, that you dont even want it for free and thats literally Thrustmaster right here.
If you can afford 500€ for a trash product, then you should easily be able to afford a Fanatec for 750€ and get that proper quality you actually pay for and deserve for the money you spent.
If that Thrustmaster was like a 100$ product ok fine but 500 already and you get what exactly for this much money? In such a case you are clearly better off with no device at all because sth like that will ruin your joy with ease entirely.
So happy this wasn't available when I was decided to buy one.
Build quality is impressive? The wheel is cheap hollow plastic, the QR is junk.
Considering there is nothing else in its price range tho
Minor correction: G29 is gear driven, not belt driven.
Anyway, great review and look forward to more!
Great review. I can't get the wheel to stop swerving
Great video, congratulations. Do you think it justifies going from a T300 Ferrari 599 edition to the T598?
;-; thanks
Are u rrrussian my frrriend ?
Good review, but looking so many reviews on TH-cam looks like every reviewer has the same opinion about this wheel. I think I’ll stick to my TGT II + LCM pedals because it definitely has more torque and detail than what I assume the T598 is lacking from.
Yes TGT II all day for me as well. I tried the T598 at a friends and wasn't impressed. Something felt off in GT7 VR. If you look at price point the T598 is actually a downgrade of a TGT II. I think peeps get caught up in all the Direct Drive marketing jargon. You can feel the road so much better in the TGT II. With T598 I felt like I was only racing by my eyes and not the feel of the road like I do on my TGT II.
@ great answer man, thank you for your feedback. TM needs to step up the game with a better option at least for console users. I was totally expecting something similar or in the range of the T818 for console but I guess they are not ready for it or don’t feel the need for it. I really enjoy my TGT II which is basically plug and play with almost every game I tried it on.
I could overlook the other shortcomings mentioned but that continuous ferocious back and forth oscillating wheel when you're not holding it is very concerning. Hope they fix that.
I can't consider any review reliable from a guy doing a so bad lap time in Kyoto driving Park...
My best lap was the top 100 in the world. I have no idea where you got your information.
dg-edge.com/events/dailies/226
Digit is bordering on being a GTWS finalist. You must have a very small pool of people who you think are fast 😄
I think this wheel is just a matter of do you settle for what you get for 500 bucks, or save your money and get a real wheel
Tgt 2 is probably better.
Idk but for 500 bucks it still looks cheaply made and it looks like a toy 🫤
What about the horrible button mapping? Not to say that some buttons are on the base itself? And the pedal tray that’s just too small if you want to add a clutch pedal afterwords… In my opinion you went light with the down sides… I feel you have to make a lot of compromises if you buy this wheel. When I compare it to my DD Pro, yes it’s 200$ more but I feel it’s well worth the difference in the long run. Practicality of installation, very compact base not getting in the way of the screen or legs, no heating issues, easy to upgrade the in the future (pedals or wheel), perfect mapping of the buttons on the wheel (at least with GT7), wheel not oscillating al the time… I personally think all of this is well worth the 200.-.
Its the worst wheelbase ove ever gotten to test in the dd realm. Also dont think about using any other thrustmaster wheels with it just denolishes the wheelbase. Even way more compared to other 5 to 8nm wheelbases. It turns it into what feels like a 2nm wheelbase. Smooth is great for sure but this frictionless axial flux motor imo shouldnt be used for sim racing. Way to many flaws come with this motor and is why others havent used it. Its a cheaper solution in smaller form and well this wheelbase is a weak weak 5nm wheelbase that cant stand up to any weight with a wheel. People think they made the wheel that light and cheap just to be cheap. No its because it sucks without it and even with it isnt great.
Omg, How many people will watch this video and be deceived. How many of them are in the comments.
Thrasmaster is blatantly lying. The reason why preference is given to bases with real Direct Drive is their responsiveness, speed and accuracy of FF. This half-truth from the Thrasmaster about how this base is something similar to a real DD is simply a shame.
This lie is aimed at people who have no experience playing with a real DD. Do not fall for this shameless lie. This kit has nothing in common with a real DD, except for the deceptive name. It is the same belt base as old Thrastmaster bases.
Author should be ashamed of such a positive assessment of a frankly bad and misleading product.
This is way more of a headache than it's worth. It is slightly better than belt driven, but brings a bunch of nonsense you'll need to deal with. For double the price of the Logitech it's definitely not worth it.
I don't trust thrust master support. That's always gonna be the deal breaker
I contacted thrustmaster support several times. The supporters were always friendly and competent. Flawless service overall.
Nice
Le volant est vilain