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@@OCRacing not just basically the direct drive means that there is no gearbox or other transmission system between wheel and motor like the belts on old Thrustmaster bases for example, rather ist mounted onto the motor axis directly. That's the same case on this one so it's just a direct drive what changes is the type of motor used, most direct drive use servo style motors this one axial Motors, these are just build differently less deep but bigger diameter, which is also why it's build in that form factor
@@7MBoosted it's not meant to be aggressive, im just annoyed of that Thrustmaster Marketing bullshit which is meant to confuse people so I just try to get those things cleared up so people know what their are buying
@@JtotheM If you ever get a Rig, it will be akward to mount. You also won't be able to see the car instruments on the screen. Those are two big points that will cause buyers regret down the line.
@thetruth5232 u really shouldn't have your monitor so close to line of sight to your wheel imo. That's where this issue u speak of would arise. U don't drive a car w/your eyes just above the steering wheel so why would u set your rig up that way
@@JtotheM you usually have your screen inbetween your wheelbase and steering wheel. with this wheel and base, not only do you lose the rpm bar but you'd lose the screen to adjust settings too. so if mounted on a cockpit/rig, this is not a great choice.
I wish reviewers would look at this wheel purely from a PlayStation point of view. I’ve been using a G29 for many years and I can’t wait to get my T598 and I want to thank Thrustmaster for answering all our prayers. There are thousands of wheel options for PC users, well not literally, but this wheel is for us lowly PlayStation users whom you PC people tend to look down on. Not everyone can afford an expensive PC and graphics card. If anyone out there knows of a review written specifically for the PlayStation please let me know. Thank you.
Gustingorriz did a very Nice review man! But is in spanish, use transistor! He loves for Ps5 ... PC people is so toxic. They just suck fanatec dick all time, or simagic or moza
Haven’t fanatec offered PlayStation bases on pretty much all their major bases why not go with that and get a much wider ecosystem that has basically everything you can think of
As a Playstation user, this wheel is a pretty serious consideration, but probably more as a standalone release. A different wheel (or converting a current T300 wheel quick release) and using 3DRap’s pedals I think would be a pretty killer console setup. (But please Moza release something PS compatible first so I have something to think about)
If you live somewhere where Fanatec doesn't have distribution, you're basically left without ANY other option than Thrustmaster. Moza doesn't do consoles, and Fanatec products break a lot and sending it OUT OF THE COUNTRY to have it fixed means you're gonna sit around twiddling your thumbs for 2-3 months without a wheel. If you live in scandinavia or south america or anywhere that isn't Germany or the US (maybe the UK?) there's no way you'd buy a fanatec setup more than once, cause when something breaks, it's just an absolute RMA nightmare. The only way I'd get a fanatec setup is if I had the money to buy two of everything and then just throw stuff in the trash as it breaks. I do not have that kinda money, and neither does 99% of people who buy wheels. And, as I said, Moza doesn't make stuff for playstation, AND the Logitech G-Pro setup is dumb. So expensive and the ecosystem is so tiny because no one bought that thing. Many people thought Logi had abandoned the whole thing until this year when they showed off a handful of little addons, none of which appealed to me at all. They released a SECOND round wheel.......... I guess that's what people wanted, a new wheel that's slightly rounder... And the handbrake/sequential looks like trash compared to the Thrustmaster handbrake/sequental, and there's no H pattern shifter after like 2-3 years of the GPro being out.. Look at the stuff MOZA has released in that same time. They have a fricken truck wheel and everything now. It's crazy how much they're putting out there compared to everyone else.. But again, that shit don't work on PS5, which is a damn shame. At this point in time, there's not a lot of options for people living outside of Fanatec importing nations for consoles. People who would get a base level Fanatec or Moza setup will not pay 2x for a gpro... And they absolutely shouldn't, cause the H shifter is probably not coming out at all, and if it does, it's going to be around 2026.... This wheel is comparable in price with the T300... It works like it's supposed to, and it's got access to the awesome Thrustmaster ecosystem, which is vast and you'll find addons that will suit you, plus you can just go back to the store if it breaks rather than having to deal with the manufacturer personally. These are its strengths. These things will sell an immense amount. Makes everything else seem like overpriced shit. Once the base comes out in a separate version for like 350 or whatever, it's going to sell way faster than they can make them. I've had tons of thrustmaster gear throughout the years, and for some reason TM gets maligned by the racing community even though this stuff is ROCK SOLID. No idea where the disdain for this brand comes from. Had the Cougar and the Warthog, awesome HOTASes. Had all sorts of wh TM wheels way back in the 90s and early 2000s, before the G25 came out. All of them rock solid. People need to stop comparing TM stuff with hardware that's 3x the price. No one reviews the G300 and pits it up against the 21nm Simcube.. But TM always gets pitted up against stuff that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of the price range TM operates. It's weird.
It's a direct drive that uses an axial electric motor and not a more usual radial flux. The difference has to do with how the magnetic fields used in the motor are orientated. These kinds of motors are lighter and provide more power for their size and is the reason why auto manufacturers are switching to it for EVs. Sadly, as you mentioned, the design of axial motors means that the base is going to be that huge, sizing it down isn't as simple as they'd need to use a smaller motor, which would reduce the torque it puts out.
I bought one and I have no problem with the shape of the base. In fact it is surprisingly heavy for it's size. The actual width and height of the wheel base is narrower the the Logitech G Pro. The Fanatec DD Pro is a little smaller in height and width but of course twice as deep and I would guestimate slightly lighter
I bought one as well. And I agree. Was surprised at its weight. Im loving it so far. Very smooth. I feel all the details as well. Not sure why so many so there is no detail🤷♂️. Worth it to me
I have preordered mine and cant wait. A german sim TH-camr made an 1h video on this thing and said it is MORE detailed than the 500€-Sets from Moza or Fanatec. I beleive many "big" TH-camrs just think it is cool to hate on Thrustmaster and everything under 1000€....
@@tillhennig3218 I had the moza R5 and bought the t598 let's just say I returned the moza R5 that thing is a damn headache and the table clamps are garbage
All these reviews sound like: "It's not terrible but obviously a rich giga Chad like me isn't gonna buy this. But if you're a casual PlayStation plebian go ahead." God, I can't wait to slap people in 5 grand motion rigs and wheels with this 😊
Yeah, I'm looking at this from the perspective of "I have an 8 yr old t150 pro and want an upgrade, but the GT DD is 800 bucks". I use the t150 for ps5 and pc, so I need the upgrade to be able to do the same. I can't afford simcube starter kit thag comes with.... Nothing beyond the wheel and base, only to spend another fat chunk on pedals.
I bought this on release because I'm a Dad of two young kids and couldn't convince myself to wait to afford the logitech g pro and wasn't super interested in fanatec. All that aside, it has felt great on ps5 so far. I mainly play gt7 and WRC. I'll dabble in F1 eventually. I came from a t150, so well worth the $500.
@@kujiko88yeah same I have a T150 that I only paid like 150€ for, but now I look at options to upgrade and either they are too similar to the T150 (T300 RS for example) or they are 500€. There's no way this T598 costs 500€ to manufacture and ship from china 😂 It's either you pay 200€ for crap or 500€ for something better.
I swear, sim companies tend to make their rim wheels disgusting just so shat one buys the bundle with a different rim wheel and to pay extra - but also, this one seems like a quite nice successor to previous thrustmaster wheels imho, like once again it is probably not considered a "pro gear" but a step-up from what a "newbie gear" might be.
The wheelbase uses a design similar to a stepper motor, which should be cheaper with better NM, but if made poorly, you could feel the steps in the motor. If they made it right, it could lead to more cheap DD high torque wheelbases.
From the people I've seen talk about and review this thing, it is extremely smooth, no "cogging" or "notching" or anything like that. Silky smooth. Some even say they kinda miss the more sluggish feeling of some DD bases because this wheel feels like spinning something that's unnaturally smooth.
Bought it because the Loadcell brake comes next year with a new bigger pedal plate. And because I am in europe I maybe get it near christmas the seller implied. 5nm with 100% overshoot and no cogging. Wait until they can make a 10nm wheel for half the price because less copper is used.
actually it is very similar or maybe even the same as Cammus outter rotary, it still can be counted as direct driven since there is no gear / belt or other medium to drive the shaft
I also wondered about the space for an additional pedal. But in one video (sorry, forgot which one) I heard that the additional pedal comes with a wider plate.
Hello, I am a PC gamer and I do not plan to switch to console. Since I was planning to play games such as iracing and Assetto Corsa, I was planning to buy the moza r5 bundle for a long time, but this new direct drive steering wheel set was silently released. So, what do you think, should I buy the Moza R5 bundle or the Thrustmaster T598 bundle?
its just a DD wheel base with 1 extra questionable step. DD just means the FFB goes straight to wheel without anything in between. This is literally the same with different type of motor
Only matters if you're playing on a screen though. And if that screen is fairly low. No one should be playing on a screen now anyways. You can get a VR headset used for like nothing at this point, and it makes screens seem like ancient tech from the 70s. Haven't played shooters or racing or flight sims outside of VR since like 2016. For VR, this base is totally fine. In 5 years time, not many people will still be racing on screens. It's just vastly inferior.
@@JimmyNuisance vr headsets are not good enough yet. first of all they can cause motion sickness and it can take a while to adapt, they are a nuisance to wear for hours on end and it can be harder to be as consistent as on a screen. for now screens are much better for competition, i would use a vr headset only for immersion in short sessions.
Fair review and excellently executed as usual. Thanks! Overall, my opinion of this product remains unchanged. The bad unfortunately outweigh the good, and this should only be considered by PS users.
I’m upgrading from the t300rs gt do you think this is worth it? I’m already in the thrustmaster ecosystem so i don’t want to have to buy a whole new shifter and stuff if i were to get like a moza, but do you think this is good to use for maybe a few years?
If the price goes down a bit, it's a perfect entry level wheel. I wouldn't exchange my CSL DD 8 nm for this but at least Thrustmaster is done with the dusty belt driven stuff, which is refreshing. Yes the design is odd, I am not a fan, i think price and worldwide availability will make the difference.
Oh you are right, it is stamped into the plastic housing. Also I just noticed rewatching it these ports are keyed differently, you shouldn´t be able to plug it into the other port?
Its weird that they didn't put the t3PM pedals, i mean aren't those entry level pedals too? And the T248 sits akwardly here cuz it's not that much cheaper. They should refine their lineup a bit more.
Good review I’d say pretty much on the money about being on PS5 or PC , I got this being a Console user myself, would’ve went with Moza if I had a pc. Would’ve like for Moza to release a PS5 compatible R3 but who knows when and if. So pretty easy choice and I am very happy with the wheel. Idk what ppl talking about wheel flex.
"the casual racing gamer" has a video on that, he came from a T-GT II and has some good pointers about it. He'll probably have a full review in the not too distant future. Seems like a great bundle for the price.
You talked about who’s this bundle made for, and I have a question, I race primarily on PC ACC and maybe may go down PS4/5 for GT7, I’m going from a $160 PXN V900, and Moza R5 Bundle was one of the top picks. However, with this coming out, I’m split on what to choose. What would you guys recommend?
Moza products aren't Sony compatible. If you wanna play GT7 this is going to be the cheapest DD option, if you go Fanatec it's 200$ more. If you play PC only then you can get whatever starter DD bundle including MOZA, they are all pretty much the same and my guess is ppl mostly choose between them based on looks.
I was wondering, I trust got a rally game and I use my Logitech g20 Wheel I do a lot of GT racing, but I was really struggling with the rally car and it felt like I wasn’t really getting all that much for feedback is the G20 trusted not really enough force feedback for rally games
@BodenBurke-hu2nt i upgraded from g920 to this. Haven't tried rally yet but when playing rally on the g920 it did seem very difficult for me. It could just be me lol. But either way the t598 and pedals are a huge upgrade for control from the g920. Gas and brake as well are much more responsive and help immensely for braking appropriately
Hey OC would you buy one of these if you already have a T-GT II and TLCM pedals? I mostly play GT7 and ACC on my PS5. I have Asetek gear for my PC racing which is my more serious setup.
Good review. I agree with you that this bundle would only make sense for playstation users because the Moza R5 and Fanatec CSL DD offer a better package. Granted, this wheel will be easier to obtain because it'll be sold at Best Buy in the US which means that you won't have to go to Micro Center or buy it online if that isn't convenient for you.
I’m currently using a pc setup with the t300 rs gt. You said you dont recommend it for pc players but what about upgrading your setup. They are gonna sell the pedals and base as standalone products in the future and I’m considering buying them (the pedals upgrade set has a new face plate if I remember correctly so the pedals are further away from each other)
Not sure if anyone has asked, but do the screw holes line up with the plate on the playseat challenge? I’m seeing different answers and wanted to get the group answer if anyone has first hand knowledge.
I do believe I have read somewhere that the clutch add on will be coming with a different footplate so I believe the pedal config will be wider with that add on.
@@humannt3374 what do you mean? They had some trouble with deliveries a while ago but then Corsair bought them so it should be fine now. Unless it's something else I'm not aware of?
Can you recomend a foldable playset that doesnt fill a lot of space and compatible with the trhustmaster t 598? I heard about the playseat challenge x or the logitech but can t find information about if it fits
@COgaita i bought the ndct level racing wheelstand 2.0 for these same reasons. Very happy w/it. Minimal footprint, adjustable, upgradable, and also foldable for storing while wheel and pedals still attached
@@JtotheM im going to buy the next level 2.0 lite for the foldable option. Have you tried to put the thrustmaster shifter and ha dbreak simultaniously on it?
It doesn’t make any sense to buy a direct drive wheelset with such a low torque. At that point your best bet is to go with a belt driven set and if that’s not enough, you up your game with DD at 8-12nm. You need to get a big DD so as to give some leeway to the system in order to not overheat it after excessive gaming sessions.
Hey! I need a steering wheel with 3 pedals and a h-shifter that doesn't make a hole in my wallet.. What do you recommend? (I am not into sim-racing, I am just playing ets2 and a little bit of fh4 and 5) Thanks.
I've been looking forward to this one Oscar! I actually like the idea, but the plastic-y look and all that flex may make me avoid it. (BTW, the link to it in your description takes us to the RS300)
Heads up to anyone buying a T598 for playing ACC on PS5! Boosted Media did an amazing review on this product, and he said it worked great on most titles, but it was absolutely terrible for ACC on PS5 which is the only reason I wanted one to begin with. Boosted said the T598s' force feedback in ACC was "completely broken" and since ACC is no longer under rigorous development, the FFB may not get fixed anytime soon, if ever. That's a shame because I'm sure most PS5 Sim racers who buy this wheel will be planning on playing ACC specifically like me. If you happen to have a T598 and are playing ACC on PS5, please let me know if it's been fixed or how it's feeling currently! It would be much appreciated!
@@mdashrafuzzamansunny2145 going from a 2 nm gear to a 5nm base (with 10 nm overshoot) will absolutely be a big change for him. I have the 598, tgt2, and clubsport dd plus, and dd1 i have a good gauge on where this thing stands its not a miracle machine but for 500 bucks your not gonna get anything better ready to go out of the box.
"Providing substantial value at reasonable price" with PS compatibility included. I'm pretty sure they will release an Xbox compatible one because it will use all the same hardware but cost less!
I’ve been waiting for so long especially after the T818 released, for a thrustmaster direct drive wheel on console. I’m on Xbox so I STILL have to wait but if the Xbox one is like this then abandoning ship and selling all my thrustmaster shit. Hell I’d rather buy the turtle beach Velocity one wheel that came out
"Plug your pedals to the RIGHT inlet otherwise It wont work! , as a CRITISISM?? Im SURE the right in/outlets is mentioned in the INSTRUCTIONS you were ment to read... but If you rather struggled "almost a whole day" thats HARDLY something to blame THRUSTMASTER for! 😅
Hello, your conclusion lacks the price point.. 499€ for a full set... nothing at Fanatech (wich is clearly superior) under 799€ !! a +60% difference is not a similiar price !! Good video anyway
@@Crook3d_GT because I just saw the review but don’t get me wrong it’s a nice wheel but I just think based on own experience and having seen all his reviews that the other ones are better
@@Crook3d_GT Mounting this to a rig will be akward. The base is too tall in both directions. Not seeing the Dash instruments on the screen because the base is in the way is bad for immersion. the problems this design is trying to fix don't even exist in the current DD bases anymore. I've switched to MOZA recently because Thrustmasters ecosystem is the worst to get stuck in. Their wheels and adaptors are always a headache.
@@OCRacing It seems like you started by downplaying the wheelbase, pointing out it’s not a direct drive. Then you subtly dismissed it by suggesting it’s more of a ‘toy’ compared to PC setups with higher-end options, implying it's more suitable for casual players, (btw this race to more nm is totally useless, 5nm for 90% of people is enough). You also didn’t look into the third pedal and called it too small. Shall I go on?
I wasn’t downplaying it at all by not calling it a direct-drive. In fact, Thrustmaster themselves say it’s not a direct-drive, but rather a step above that. I don’t think anyone can disagree that if we’re looking at what’s available for PC, both Moza and Fanatec’s offerings (at nearly this same price point) are better. They’re made entirely of metal, have a much better looking and functional size factor, can be upgraded to offer higher torque (in Fanatec’s case) and come with better steering wheels and included pedals, not to mention the rest of the ecosystems. I wasn’t implying it was more of a toy, I was saying it falls short in the PC market, whereas for PlayStation users, it’s certainly a much stronger offering considering what’s available at the moment. 5nm of torque is a good start, but saying it’s enough for 90% of people is a huge assumption. I didn’t look at the third pedal because it doesn’t exist yet? I’m saying if they tack it onto the current pedal plate, it’ll be extremely cramped. I’m glad some in the comments have pointed out that it will be a separate add-on unit, but I haven’t be told that from any of the material sent by Thrustmaster my way. All in all I’m my conclusion I state that it’s not competitive enough for PC-users but it is a strong contender that is worth considering for PlayStation only sim racers. I don’t see what is “biased” about that…
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FYI - per all of Thrustmaster’s marketing material on the pedals, the load cell pedal will come with a wider plate to accommodate 3 pedals.
Good to know, thanks for the info! 👍
@cbmurch /@ocracing that begs the question: how do these pedals match up to fit on existing pedal trays?
It still is a direct drive wheel! Its just a different type of motor construction
Yeah... basically
@@OCRacing not just basically the direct drive means that there is no gearbox or other transmission system between wheel and motor like the belts on old Thrustmaster bases for example, rather ist mounted onto the motor axis directly.
That's the same case on this one so it's just a direct drive what changes is the type of motor used, most direct drive use servo style motors this one axial Motors, these are just build differently less deep but bigger diameter, which is also why it's build in that form factor
and the award for most unnecessarily aggressive comment on this video goes to ... ... ... @Gamer-kn7fi
@@7MBoosted it's not meant to be aggressive, im just annoyed of that Thrustmaster Marketing bullshit which is meant to confuse people so I just try to get those things cleared up so people know what their are buying
Kind of like ball bearing vs roller bearings along a shaft.
Cammus: Our C5 is the ugliest wheelbase there is!
Thrustmaster: Hold my beer...
Once in hand, it has very good weight to it and I like it's sleeker width. Its very smooth as well
@@JtotheM If you ever get a Rig, it will be akward to mount. You also won't be able to see the car instruments on the screen. Those are two big points that will cause buyers regret down the line.
@thetruth5232 u really shouldn't have your monitor so close to line of sight to your wheel imo. That's where this issue u speak of would arise. U don't drive a car w/your eyes just above the steering wheel so why would u set your rig up that way
@@JtotheM Closer screen = better FOV/more visual info
@@JtotheM you usually have your screen inbetween your wheelbase and steering wheel. with this wheel and base, not only do you lose the rpm bar but you'd lose the screen to adjust settings too. so if mounted on a cockpit/rig, this is not a great choice.
I wish reviewers would look at this wheel purely from a PlayStation point of view. I’ve been using a G29 for many years and I can’t wait to get my T598 and I want to thank Thrustmaster for answering all our prayers. There are thousands of wheel options for PC users, well not literally, but this wheel is for us lowly PlayStation users whom you PC people tend to look down on. Not everyone can afford an expensive PC and graphics card. If anyone out there knows of a review written specifically for the PlayStation please let me know. Thank you.
Not even talking about money, I have a PS5 and a PC but I enjoy playing GT7. But there's like 2 options for direct drive on PS5 and idk why.
Reviewers are notoriously spoiled unfortunately
Gustingorriz did a very Nice review man! But is in spanish, use transistor! He loves for Ps5 ... PC people is so toxic. They just suck fanatec dick all time, or simagic or moza
Haven’t fanatec offered PlayStation bases on pretty much all their major bases why not go with that and get a much wider ecosystem that has basically everything you can think of
@ Barrier of entry is higher. The GT DD Pro bundle is $300 more
As a Playstation user, this wheel is a pretty serious consideration, but probably more as a standalone release. A different wheel (or converting a current T300 wheel quick release) and using 3DRap’s pedals I think would be a pretty killer console setup. (But please Moza release something PS compatible first so I have something to think about)
If you live somewhere where Fanatec doesn't have distribution, you're basically left without ANY other option than Thrustmaster. Moza doesn't do consoles, and Fanatec products break a lot and sending it OUT OF THE COUNTRY to have it fixed means you're gonna sit around twiddling your thumbs for 2-3 months without a wheel. If you live in scandinavia or south america or anywhere that isn't Germany or the US (maybe the UK?) there's no way you'd buy a fanatec setup more than once, cause when something breaks, it's just an absolute RMA nightmare. The only way I'd get a fanatec setup is if I had the money to buy two of everything and then just throw stuff in the trash as it breaks. I do not have that kinda money, and neither does 99% of people who buy wheels.
And, as I said, Moza doesn't make stuff for playstation, AND the Logitech G-Pro setup is dumb. So expensive and the ecosystem is so tiny because no one bought that thing. Many people thought Logi had abandoned the whole thing until this year when they showed off a handful of little addons, none of which appealed to me at all. They released a SECOND round wheel.......... I guess that's what people wanted, a new wheel that's slightly rounder... And the handbrake/sequential looks like trash compared to the Thrustmaster handbrake/sequental, and there's no H pattern shifter after like 2-3 years of the GPro being out.. Look at the stuff MOZA has released in that same time. They have a fricken truck wheel and everything now. It's crazy how much they're putting out there compared to everyone else.. But again, that shit don't work on PS5, which is a damn shame.
At this point in time, there's not a lot of options for people living outside of Fanatec importing nations for consoles. People who would get a base level Fanatec or Moza setup will not pay 2x for a gpro... And they absolutely shouldn't, cause the H shifter is probably not coming out at all, and if it does, it's going to be around 2026....
This wheel is comparable in price with the T300... It works like it's supposed to, and it's got access to the awesome Thrustmaster ecosystem, which is vast and you'll find addons that will suit you, plus you can just go back to the store if it breaks rather than having to deal with the manufacturer personally. These are its strengths.
These things will sell an immense amount. Makes everything else seem like overpriced shit. Once the base comes out in a separate version for like 350 or whatever, it's going to sell way faster than they can make them.
I've had tons of thrustmaster gear throughout the years, and for some reason TM gets maligned by the racing community even though this stuff is ROCK SOLID. No idea where the disdain for this brand comes from. Had the Cougar and the Warthog, awesome HOTASes. Had all sorts of wh TM wheels way back in the 90s and early 2000s, before the G25 came out. All of them rock solid.
People need to stop comparing TM stuff with hardware that's 3x the price. No one reviews the G300 and pits it up against the 21nm Simcube.. But TM always gets pitted up against stuff that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of the price range TM operates. It's weird.
God you talk some 💩
fair enough, bro
type beat
It's a direct drive that uses an axial electric motor and not a more usual radial flux. The difference has to do with how the magnetic fields used in the motor are orientated. These kinds of motors are lighter and provide more power for their size and is the reason why auto manufacturers are switching to it for EVs. Sadly, as you mentioned, the design of axial motors means that the base is going to be that huge, sizing it down isn't as simple as they'd need to use a smaller motor, which would reduce the torque it puts out.
I bought one and I have no problem with the shape of the base. In fact it is surprisingly heavy for it's size. The actual width and height of the wheel base is narrower the the Logitech G Pro. The Fanatec DD Pro is a little smaller in height and width but of course twice as deep and I would guestimate slightly lighter
I bought one as well. And I agree. Was surprised at its weight. Im loving it so far. Very smooth. I feel all the details as well. Not sure why so many so there is no detail🤷♂️. Worth it to me
I have preordered mine and cant wait. A german sim TH-camr made an 1h video on this thing and said it is MORE detailed than the 500€-Sets from Moza or Fanatec. I beleive many "big" TH-camrs just think it is cool to hate on Thrustmaster and everything under 1000€....
@@tillhennig3218 I had the moza R5 and bought the t598 let's just say I returned the moza R5 that thing is a damn headache and the table clamps are garbage
At this point I don’t watch a sim racing review unless it starts with “a review by OC Racing” 🤣
I appreciate that 🤣 lots of other great reviewers out there too though, don’t miss out
@OCRacing You keep it real and thats what we love. You are honest and we love hearing what you have to say.
All these reviews sound like:
"It's not terrible but obviously a rich giga Chad like me isn't gonna buy this. But if you're a casual PlayStation plebian go ahead."
God, I can't wait to slap people in 5 grand motion rigs and wheels with this 😊
Yeah, I'm looking at this from the perspective of "I have an 8 yr old t150 pro and want an upgrade, but the GT DD is 800 bucks".
I use the t150 for ps5 and pc, so I need the upgrade to be able to do the same. I can't afford simcube starter kit thag comes with.... Nothing beyond the wheel and base, only to spend another fat chunk on pedals.
@@kujiko88 moza R5 or R3 is a great affordable option, it just doesnt come with a clutch pedal or the pedal springs
@fr00tloops77 he needs ps5 compatibility, so this and the fanatec are the only dd options right now
I bought this on release because I'm a Dad of two young kids and couldn't convince myself to wait to afford the logitech g pro and wasn't super interested in fanatec. All that aside, it has felt great on ps5 so far. I mainly play gt7 and WRC. I'll dabble in F1 eventually. I came from a t150, so well worth the $500.
@@kujiko88yeah same I have a T150 that I only paid like 150€ for, but now I look at options to upgrade and either they are too similar to the T150 (T300 RS for example) or they are 500€.
There's no way this T598 costs 500€ to manufacture and ship from china 😂
It's either you pay 200€ for crap or 500€ for something better.
We can thank Cammus for starting this trend. Makes sense in theory for stronger smoother ffb.
I swear, sim companies tend to make their rim wheels disgusting just so shat one buys the bundle with a different rim wheel and to pay extra - but also, this one seems like a quite nice successor to previous thrustmaster wheels imho, like once again it is probably not considered a "pro gear" but a step-up from what a "newbie gear" might be.
Thrustmaster say its smaller but it being taller taking more space is worse for me also putting it infront of a monitor won't be great
It’s not as bad in person imo
The wheelbase uses a design similar to a stepper motor, which should be cheaper with better NM, but if made poorly, you could feel the steps in the motor. If they made it right, it could lead to more cheap DD high torque wheelbases.
They made it right. The wheelbase is a tank. And it smoothness is impressive.
From the people I've seen talk about and review this thing, it is extremely smooth, no "cogging" or "notching" or anything like that. Silky smooth. Some even say they kinda miss the more sluggish feeling of some DD bases because this wheel feels like spinning something that's unnaturally smooth.
So him plugging in the wrong cable and it not working (all day) is a bad point for thrustmaster? 😂 jesus..
The fact the two ports are completely unlabeled and mistaking plugging it into the wrong port will make the entire base not work is 👍
@@OCRacing This is why you always have to read the instructions, its a pain but can save you a day.
@sailingenki2038 yea it is labeled pedals on the port and literally has arrow on the instructions on where it goes w/a picture lol
@@JtotheM im just wondering what else he was doing all day to try and get it working? 😂
@sailingenki2038 😅. I know high end equipment is great and all. But those price points are getting worse imo
it looks a bit too much like a differential from a car
🤣
What does that have to do with anything?
Dude thanks for the vid it gives me a whole new perspective on the product!
Gotta start getting my Maraca's ready for these vids 💃💃💃, Great vid man!
Put that music in just for you 😉
@@OCRacing 5:06 I knew what was about to go down in 0.2 of a second lol
Bought it because the Loadcell brake comes next year with a new bigger pedal plate. And because I am in europe I maybe get it near christmas the seller implied. 5nm with 100% overshoot and no cogging. Wait until they can make a 10nm wheel for half the price because less copper is used.
actually it is very similar or maybe even the same as Cammus outter rotary, it still can be counted as direct driven since there is no gear / belt or other medium to drive the shaft
I also wondered about the space for an additional pedal.
But in one video (sorry, forgot which one) I heard that the additional pedal comes with a wider plate.
Hello, I am a PC gamer and I do not plan to switch to console. Since I was planning to play games such as iracing and Assetto Corsa, I was planning to buy the moza r5 bundle for a long time, but this new direct drive steering wheel set was silently released. So, what do you think, should I buy the Moza R5 bundle or the Thrustmaster T598 bundle?
Guys should I buy this one or wait till Black friday and buy the Fanatec gt DD Pro 8Nm? Im not sure
I have the same issue dont' know what to do😅
second option
if u can afford a dd pro，dont even think about TM. T596 feels weaker and much cheaper compair to a 5nm dd.
Get a fanatec with a boost kit 8nm is all you need , along with v2 pedals...it's the best bang for your buck out there right now
@@ReddevilracingFanatec’s customer service are bad
its just a DD wheel base with 1 extra questionable step. DD just means the FFB goes straight to wheel without anything in between. This is literally the same with different type of motor
an axial flux motor instead of radial flux seems like an interesting idea but the form factor is a big issue
You answered your own issue with axial motor form factor. Think pancake hence the form factor.
@@OfficialComentery well yeah?
Only matters if you're playing on a screen though. And if that screen is fairly low.
No one should be playing on a screen now anyways. You can get a VR headset used for like nothing at this point, and it makes screens seem like ancient tech from the 70s.
Haven't played shooters or racing or flight sims outside of VR since like 2016. For VR, this base is totally fine. In 5 years time, not many people will still be racing on screens. It's just vastly inferior.
@@JimmyNuisance vr headsets are not good enough yet. first of all they can cause motion sickness and it can take a while to adapt, they are a nuisance to wear for hours on end and it can be harder to be as consistent as on a screen. for now screens are much better for competition, i would use a vr headset only for immersion in short sessions.
Yea I think I will just get a fanatec or moza wheel base. Good vid oc!
Biggest plus is the bundle price at 500 euro.. it’s constantly not in stock
So which one is better for pc. MOZA R5 or TRUSTMASTER T598
Fair review and excellently executed as usual. Thanks! Overall, my opinion of this product remains unchanged. The bad unfortunately outweigh the good, and this should only be considered by PS users.
Yeah, us '' poor '' PS users. PC gamers are so much better. We have 1000$ for a pc, then another 1000$ for a wheel.
I’m upgrading from the t300rs gt do you think this is worth it? I’m already in the thrustmaster ecosystem so i don’t want to have to buy a whole new shifter and stuff if i were to get like a moza, but do you think this is good to use for maybe a few years?
also i play on pc only which you brought up
Still missing that "claim your early ticket here" guy
He’s somewhere in here!
If the price goes down a bit, it's a perfect entry level wheel. I wouldn't exchange my CSL DD 8 nm for this but at least Thrustmaster is done with the dusty belt driven stuff, which is refreshing. Yes the design is odd, I am not a fan, i think price and worldwide availability will make the difference.
8:02 the pedals port *is* labeled, right there under the port lol
Oh you are right, it is stamped into the plastic housing. Also I just noticed rewatching it these ports are keyed differently, you shouldn´t be able to plug it into the other port?
Its weird that they didn't put the t3PM pedals, i mean aren't those entry level pedals too? And the T248 sits akwardly here cuz it's not that much cheaper. They should refine their lineup a bit more.
Good review I’d say pretty much on the money about being on PS5 or PC , I got this being a Console user myself, would’ve went with Moza if I had a pc. Would’ve like for Moza to release a PS5 compatible R3 but who knows when and if. So pretty easy choice and I am very happy with the wheel. Idk what ppl talking about wheel flex.
Where would you rank this compared to the DD PRO?
i believe they invent this new DD method becoz they cant deliver a durable long life DD wheelbase, im suffering with T818 as a traditional DD
Tellement vrai
@OC Racing what are your thoughts on the T598 vs. the T-GT II?
"the casual racing gamer" has a video on that, he came from a T-GT II and has some good pointers about it. He'll probably have a full review in the not too distant future. Seems like a great bundle for the price.
@ yeah I saw that one. I’m just curious as to if there are any alternate opinions.
You talked about who’s this bundle made for, and I have a question, I race primarily on PC ACC and maybe may go down PS4/5 for GT7, I’m going from a $160 PXN V900, and Moza R5 Bundle was one of the top picks. However, with this coming out, I’m split on what to choose. What would you guys recommend?
Moza products aren't Sony compatible.
If you wanna play GT7 this is going to be the cheapest DD option, if you go Fanatec it's 200$ more.
If you play PC only then you can get whatever starter DD bundle including MOZA, they are all pretty much the same and my guess is ppl mostly choose between them based on looks.
I was wondering, I trust got a rally game and I use my Logitech g20 Wheel I do a lot of GT racing, but I was really struggling with the rally car and it felt like I wasn’t really getting all that much for feedback is the G20 trusted not really enough force feedback for rally games
The strength is not there with the G920. This wheel is better for rally.
@BodenBurke-hu2nt i upgraded from g920 to this. Haven't tried rally yet but when playing rally on the g920 it did seem very difficult for me. It could just be me lol. But either way the t598 and pedals are a huge upgrade for control from the g920. Gas and brake as well are much more responsive and help immensely for braking appropriately
Hey OC would you buy one of these if you already have a T-GT II and TLCM pedals? I mostly play GT7 and ACC on my PS5. I have Asetek gear for my PC racing which is my more serious setup.
Nope - the T-GT II is a very good wheelbase, and even comparable to this one. Definitely not worth the upgrade
@OCRacing thank you, would you consider the Logitech now as they finally are coming out with new wheel options?
Good review. I agree with you that this bundle would only make sense for playstation users because the Moza R5 and Fanatec CSL DD offer a better package. Granted, this wheel will be easier to obtain because it'll be sold at Best Buy in the US which means that you won't have to go to Micro Center or buy it online if that isn't convenient for you.
I’m currently using a pc setup with the t300 rs gt. You said you dont recommend it for pc players but what about upgrading your setup. They are gonna sell the pedals and base as standalone products in the future and I’m considering buying them (the pedals upgrade set has a new face plate if I remember correctly so the pedals are further away from each other)
Not sure if anyone has asked, but do the screw holes line up with the plate on the playseat challenge? I’m seeing different answers and wanted to get the group answer if anyone has first hand knowledge.
Can you compare this wheel to the t300? worth upgrading?
Worth upgrading, yes. It’s a much more capable base
@@OCRacing thanks 😄
@@Hello123-b7l that is what im thinking about, upgrading from a t300 to play in PS5 and PC
I do believe I have read somewhere that the clutch add on will be coming with a different footplate so I believe the pedal config will be wider with that add on.
Ah see that would make a ton more sense. I guess time will tell what they do
In my opinion this is a good option only if you are on Playstation. For PC I'd rather get the Moza R5 Bundle or CSL DD Bundle.
its the only option considering what fanitech is doing
@@humannt3374 what do you mean? They had some trouble with deliveries a while ago but then Corsair bought them so it should be fine now. Unless it's something else I'm not aware of?
Great review!
Can you recomend a foldable playset that doesnt fill a lot of space and compatible with the trhustmaster t 598? I heard about the playseat challenge x or the logitech but can t find information about if it fits
@COgaita i bought the ndct level racing wheelstand 2.0 for these same reasons. Very happy w/it. Minimal footprint, adjustable, upgradable, and also foldable for storing while wheel and pedals still attached
@@JtotheM im going to buy the next level 2.0 lite for the foldable option. Have you tried to put the thrustmaster shifter and ha dbreak simultaniously on it?
@@COgaita i have not. I do not have a handbrake at the moment
It doesn’t make any sense to buy a direct drive wheelset with such a low torque. At that point your best bet is to go with a belt driven set and if that’s not enough, you up your game with DD at 8-12nm. You need to get a big DD so as to give some leeway to the system in order to not overheat it after excessive gaming sessions.
Can you review the Logitech G Pro Wheel?
Yes. Coming soon 👀
The load cell comes with a bigger pedal plate
Thank you for the review man 👅
You’re very welcome 🤝
Did you create sim spots?
Would you rather own this wheel base, wheel compared to the CAMMUS C12?
This doesn’t compete with the C12 at all - but between the two I’d rather go the Cammus route for the substantially more power
@@OCRacing thank you!🙏
Hey! I need a steering wheel with 3 pedals and a h-shifter that doesn't make a hole in my wallet.. What do you recommend? (I am not into sim-racing, I am just playing ets2 and a little bit of fh4 and 5) Thanks.
For those types of games, something like the Logitech G29 with the Logitech shifter should do the job 👍
@@OCRacing I found on the used market a g923 with shifter for only 200 euros.Might go for that one. Thanks!
I've been looking forward to this one Oscar! I actually like the idea, but the plastic-y look and all that flex may make me avoid it. (BTW, the link to it in your description takes us to the RS300)
Waiting for the OG “claim your early ticket here” guy rn
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He has arrived.
@@OCRacing the legend
lol I already bought it but really wanted to watch your review. Also they will be releasing a bigger pedal plate with the load cell brake.
Can you review the tx leather edition?
Wow.... good video!
woukd you say its worth it if i allready have a bunch of thrustmaster wheels and dont want to switch everyhting out?
Now if I were to get this wheel is there any updates on it possibly being able to work on Xbox eventually
They will release an Xbox version next year
Can't have all 3 in one. That would be cool if that was the case though
@@JtotheM you can actually do that with some fanatec bases as well as the Logitech DD base.
@@stfubar2365 its good there is an option than
Vr and that base is no problem .
How does it compare side by side against the GT DD Pro
DD Pro clears in my opinion
Heads up to anyone buying a T598 for playing ACC on PS5!
Boosted Media did an amazing review on this product, and he said it worked great on most titles, but it was absolutely terrible for ACC on PS5 which is the only reason I wanted one to begin with.
Boosted said the T598s' force feedback in ACC was "completely broken" and since ACC is no longer under rigorous development, the FFB may not get fixed anytime soon, if ever. That's a shame because I'm sure most PS5 Sim racers who buy this wheel will be planning on playing ACC specifically like me.
If you happen to have a T598 and are playing ACC on PS5, please let me know if it's been fixed or how it's feeling currently! It would be much appreciated!
I have a T150 and the force feedback also feels like dog poop on ACC. It's just the game's output that's bad imo 😂
Unless you’re using that base at an extreme angle for something like ATS/ETS, it seems like a poor design choice. Confusing even.
What’s the difference between this one and the t300
can i please ask you to review fanatec csl elite and clubsport wheel bases? 😊
Would you say this would be a good upgrade/replacement for my Logitech G923?
This is a huge upgrade to that
I don't think you'll feel that much of a difference. If you really want an upgrade I suggest 8 nm wheelbase
@@mdashrafuzzamansunny2145 what would you recommend for under 800,- that is good for GT7 and ACC (PC)?
@@mdashrafuzzamansunny2145 going from a 2 nm gear to a 5nm base (with 10 nm overshoot) will absolutely be a big change for him. I have the 598, tgt2, and clubsport dd plus, and dd1 i have a good gauge on where this thing stands its not a miracle machine but for 500 bucks your not gonna get anything better ready to go out of the box.
@@mdashrafuzzamansunny2145 what? Even pass from a G29 to a T300 is a great upgrade
The G29 is basically a 17 years old steering wheel with a facelift
By far the stupidest thing about this is the wheel rim having 4 red centering strips that in fact don’t help you center the wheel!
Just put a piece of tape on the bottom two ...
Do you mean if you dont have pedals it wont work?
This or logitec G pro?
So how's it feel on ACC ?
The pedals only fit into one jack in the wheelbase.
Great video, But I can do with anything to upgrade from my g29
So I can't use my own pedals of this wheel on PC?
You should be able to. Just don’t plug in the TM pedals to the base at all
"Providing substantial value at reasonable price" with PS compatibility included. I'm pretty sure they will release an Xbox compatible one because it will use all the same hardware but cost less!
I’ve been waiting for so long especially after the T818 released, for a thrustmaster direct drive wheel on console. I’m on Xbox so I STILL have to wait but if the Xbox one is like this then abandoning ship and selling all my thrustmaster shit. Hell I’d rather buy the turtle beach Velocity one wheel that came out
Someone help me out, how do I make my steering wheel return to the center on its own
@@woolyfish6175 adjust then center steering in game options for wheel
Playseat Formula Instinct review? 😆
Anyone know where u can buy this from in the uk?
Their qr is plastic isn't it?
Claim your early ticket here
The goooooaaattttttt
@@OCRacing 🤙
@@Sigmamale973 Here
HE'S HERE!!!
@@Sigmamale973 the legend
"Plug your pedals to the RIGHT inlet otherwise It wont work! , as a CRITISISM?? Im SURE the right in/outlets is mentioned in the INSTRUCTIONS you were ment to read... but If you rather struggled "almost a whole day" thats HARDLY something to blame THRUSTMASTER for! 😅
Why do constantly think that it's an expansion to the t248 family
This thing is going to be flying of the shelves this Xmas.
GT7 servers gonna be flooded with newbie sim racers.
Checks affiliate links… that explains it 😅
Thrustmaster always comes with worse looking designs as possible.
Are you able to measure peak torque? Thrustmaster claim its higher than 5 right ?
I have no way of accurately measuring it but it’s peak force does creep higher than 5 from what I was able to feel
do you think the t300 steering wheel has better quality than this wheel?
No, this one is slightly better
@@OCRacingslightly better? 😂 its a lot better
Hello, your conclusion lacks the price point.. 499€ for a full set... nothing at Fanatech (wich is clearly superior) under 799€ !! a +60% difference is not a similiar price !!
Good video anyway
the only reviewer i actually care about, good video as always!
Notification gang ⏬️
Absolute legends🔥
For PlayStation players is this good not for the pc guys I would go with csl dd bundle from fanatec or if it’s to much the Moza r3
Those are all more money. This is for those who want that smooth DD experience and not have to break the bank. Good job thrustmaster
@@JtotheM true but it’s worth it
@ThieoKok how can you say that without having tried the wheel?
@@Crook3d_GT because I just saw the review but don’t get me wrong it’s a nice wheel but I just think based on own experience and having seen all his reviews that the other ones are better
@@Crook3d_GT Mounting this to a rig will be akward. The base is too tall in both directions. Not seeing the Dash instruments on the screen because the base is in the way is bad for immersion.
the problems this design is trying to fix don't even exist in the current DD bases anymore. I've switched to MOZA recently because Thrustmasters ecosystem is the worst to get stuck in. Their wheels and adaptors are always a headache.
Don’t be fooled. Purchase the one everybody is trying to imitate.
That's what i call a biased review, so obvious lol
What exactly is biased about this 😭
@@OCRacing It seems like you started by downplaying the wheelbase, pointing out it’s not a direct drive. Then you subtly dismissed it by suggesting it’s more of a ‘toy’ compared to PC setups with higher-end options, implying it's more suitable for casual players, (btw this race to more nm is totally useless, 5nm for 90% of people is enough). You also didn’t look into the third pedal and called it too small. Shall I go on?
I wasn’t downplaying it at all by not calling it a direct-drive. In fact, Thrustmaster themselves say it’s not a direct-drive, but rather a step above that.
I don’t think anyone can disagree that if we’re looking at what’s available for PC, both Moza and Fanatec’s offerings (at nearly this same price point) are better. They’re made entirely of metal, have a much better looking and functional size factor, can be upgraded to offer higher torque (in Fanatec’s case) and come with better steering wheels and included pedals, not to mention the rest of the ecosystems. I wasn’t implying it was more of a toy, I was saying it falls short in the PC market, whereas for PlayStation users, it’s certainly a much stronger offering considering what’s available at the moment.
5nm of torque is a good start, but saying it’s enough for 90% of people is a huge assumption.
I didn’t look at the third pedal because it doesn’t exist yet? I’m saying if they tack it onto the current pedal plate, it’ll be extremely cramped. I’m glad some in the comments have pointed out that it will be a separate add-on unit, but I haven’t be told that from any of the material sent by Thrustmaster my way.
All in all I’m my conclusion I state that it’s not competitive enough for PC-users but it is a strong contender that is worth considering for PlayStation only sim racers. I don’t see what is “biased” about that…
This base is so tall haha and yikes to the flex in the wheel!
Wow, do not take the review from this guy. He didn’t even hook the damn thing up properly wow.
What exactly are you talking about? 🤣
@@OCRacing come on guy you hooked it up wrong and it took you a day to figure that out. You just said that in the video.