What we know: It's in elder dragons blood. It reacts strongly with air creating a red plasma and can be used to control air currents. Interacts with the function of other elemental reactions, not sure if physically, chemically, or energetically, as it can stun elemental abilities of other creatures or enhance their own to like alatreon does. Overdose of such element can cause immense pain and stress to the mind and body. Might be the source of their unusual long lifespan and resistance to illness. It seems to be enhanced in energy production in a seeming chemical reaction with qurio's fluids, probably for their energy storing capabilities.
Personally I've always been a fan of the theory that it's derived from some exotic immune mechanism, which would explain why dragons produce it and yet tend to be weak to it. Introducing a foreign source to the body provokes a response, and we all know how miserable a cold or allergy can be.
If I had to guess, it’s likely some form of metabolized bio energy like Safis, hence why Elder dragons seem to be attracted to bio energy. It would also make sense considering that most sources of dragon element do a lot of feeding, hence getting enough bio energy to fuel it as it seems to be extremely expensive and taxing to make. The reason so many elders likely have it is that they can easily kill most monsters, meaning that their intake of bio energy is likely quite high and easy for them to maintain. This would also explain their extended lifespans as the properties of bio energy are still somewhat unknown. Edit: It would likely also explain why so many elders have the same body plan, some six limbed distant ancestor was likely hyper successful and slowly diversified and adapted to the new bio energy powers, potentially dragon element, available to them. However, it’s likely that other elders sprung from other successful lines that gained enough bio energy and slowly became elders, for example something like Narwha, Ibushi, and Amatsu likely came from their own evolutionary line, perhaps a leviathan adjacent one. There’s also Kirin which are likely related to Kelbi but branched off long ago.
Ah we are at this point of lore discussion. I’ve always liked the vastly differing nature of elder dragons, on one hand we got the traditions like Teostra, Kushala, and Shagaru, and then we got the celestial serpents and Amatsu, and then there’s Kirin and there’s also whatever Yami Tsukami is. Even within the uniform designs there’s weirdness. Alatreon made up of inverted scales, Shara being…well Shara, there’s Vaal who basically looks like a lich and then there’s Malzeno taking inspiration from vampires. They are so cool design wise and I love it.
This. I’m excited to see what wilds brings,and I’m praying that the leaks that were around a while back and nigh impossible to avoid were just trolls/haters. Saying that allegedly we won’t get elders at ALL at release. Just lots of deviljho/bazel/rajang tier monsties.
I have a correction: while Ibushi and Narwa do interact with Hinoa and Minoto, the phenomenon of resonance is never actually attributed to them as anything to do with elder dragons, or even them in particular. Hinoa and Minoto are resonators; they’ve resonated with each other since they were born-this is established before Ibushi and Narwa ever showed up. Furthermore, the apex monsters are said to resonate with the Rampage (which is of course felt by and commented on by Hinoa and Minoto). There are also comments later on suggesting that the Wyverian Bahari resonates with the Qurio, which is taken as a farce at first but then taken more seriously later. By definition “resonance” requires two or more objects or parties, and often enough those two or more entities includes or is entirely made up of non-elder dragon. Whatever the resonance phenomenon is, it’s not unique to elders, even if Ibushi and Narwa seem to do so more powerfully than anything else we’ve seen.
I love me my Rathalos and Zinogres and more, but Elder Dragons truly inspire awe and wonder in the most terrifying ways. It's like they are nature incarnate, caught RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of science and mystic.
You know to have a less goofy comment as one to actually add to discussion. I personally think that many of what I call True Elder Dragons, the ones which have six limbs, might actually represent a nearly doomed lineage. So many of them seem to have no place within the ecosystem, they require such unusual diets likely to sustain their unusual abilities, and their populations are quite small despite seemingly having minimal natural predators at any stage in their life. While there are many species that naturally stabilize at low population numbers, I have to wonder if what's keeping their population numbers down is the difficulty of acquiring and devouring their favored foods, which often a non-renewable resource. This is not a universal issue, but many Elder Dragons seem to require non-renewable diets. Eating things such as coal, metals, and other such resources. That's a very strange niche to evolve into. While biomineralization isn't unheard of in the real world, it's typically things that are regularly cycled through predation and the decomposition cycle and not a primary dietary aspect. As well as many animals simply eating rocks that have certain value to us. The lack of predators, the lack of evidence that Elder Dragons are being scavenged by each other, and the fact that such odd individuals don't seem to predate or scavenge other animals nor eat odd plants or fungi means that I don't think they are extracting those resources from the cycle. They quite literally eat rocks. They do tend to be quite suited to a nomadic lifestyle. This makes me think that at one point this mineralvore niche was worthwhile, as shown by wyverns who have similar, though more generic, diets. It was a fairly empty niche with a surplus of resources. As time has gone on, those resources have become taxed. This led to the evolutionary pressures to be more nomadic. From there you get the evolutionary pressures to be long-lived with long periods of dormancy allowing them to travel to where there's food, eat the food, sleep until you have to wake up to travel to find more food. The lack of food means that the population needs to stay small and it likely needs to keep shrinking. Others like Vaal Hazak, Nergigante, and Shagaru Magala are not at risk.
Now that we have three cephalopod monsters it’s about time for them to be moved to their own new classification, they definitely stand out the most when compared to the other elder dragons.
A previously unknown Elder Dragon is the greatest threat a hunter can face, for the simple reason that the hunter has absolutely NO IDEA WHATSOEVER of what it can do or how it will act. A new Elder Dragon could just as likely summon lightning as it could erupt a blue flame that turns the ground to magma beneath your feet, or cause an avalanche in the middle of a desert, or drop you in a fissure, or impale you with spears of solid wind, or simply turn away from you, and walk harmlessly by. There is NO predicting their actions without years of research, so a brand new, undiscovered beast of such power, is a risk greater than any other, simply by its proximity to you. An Elder Dragon could just as easily scatter a trail of gold behind it as bring a whole city to ruin just by passing by, or itching its horns.
I will forever love the idea that Kush might be a living freezer. And the understanding of its biological mechanisms could lead to a technological milestone
Slaps a state of the art kush freezer, "you can fit SO many raw Steaks in this bad boy, no more need for ice rooms or harvesting freeze sacs, this bitch runs on pure elder dragon biology turned mechanical"
You have all those strange looking creatures, a Chimera like fire lion, a metal lizzard, a chamelion like lizzard that goes invisible, a seahorse couple that flies and shoots wind and thunder, a dog with wings that grows spike, a literal moving vulcano, a ball of flying moist with human teeth. And then, the most powerfull creature in existence of Monster Hunter is a generic looking fantasy dragon, and that is amazing
One of my favorite less known details about elder dragons in the older games (pre 5th Gen) is that elder dragons will often attack the environment without having spotted the player. Like a Kushala just standing around shooting air blasts at nothing, as if just to destroy. It really highlights their destructive nature and the obvious tendency of living creatures to flee their presence. They tend to have very long range and wide-angle player detection so you don’t get to see this often, but it is there.
Awesome video as always, man. I wonder how many lore bits, no matter how inconsequential they might be, are hidden and unknown to many because they're usually only seen once in NPC dialogues and if you skipped it, they're gone and lost. Wish I could find a compiled list of them all online, from MH1 to Rise Sunbreak... But that's definitely one big endeavor that'll take a while lol
@Oceaniz Damn, that sucks. Why did it get shut down, so much information lost... Has anybody found an alternative to it? I wonder if wayback machine can help but I have no idea if it's up to date to Rise Sunbreak or not.
Honestly feels like there should be two categories within Elder Dragon. Those with a hexapodal body plan and are clearly related, and those that truly defy explanation.
13:30 Albeit, resonance is stated to be the ability that Hinoa and Minoto have is it not? Hinoa in particular had used it for a long time with other people. It's more like they picked up on Ibushi and Narwa's intense thoughts rather than Ibushi and Narwa having any special ability to resonate with them. Bahari even, perhaps only half-jokingly, claims he can resonate with the Quirio after having studied them for a while. The way he words it, saying they feel excited, like a child praised by their parent, really does make it sound like he means it.
Nice video! As someone starting out with the games recently, Elder Dragons are really interesting.. they at times make me feel at awe or dread because they break your conception of the world when you are just starting out The third fleet commander's thoughts about them is fascinating, because i thought Kushala was a great example of a natural disaster e.g typhoons, strong winds and tornadoes, taking a form of something- in this case, a dragon I live in a place prone to those types of natural disasters, i sometimes think that an entity comes and controls to bring about these misfortunes, but because you will usually be busy trying to stay alive and take shelter, you won't see em unless you take a risk and go out Yama Tsukami takes this to a whole otherworldly level for me, cause i used to look at lovecraft designs, as much as it is cliche to look at a couple of tentacles and think of as that Side note: i thought Lao Shan Lung migrates because its trying to flee from a certain dragon relating to castle schrade, so that just means they are a tragic creature. i find that very sad honestly
Personal theory; the EDW was so 'alive' that it's the actual ancestor of modern wyverns, and elder dragons were the only kind back in the day, hence a tower made of Kushala Daora. Edit: for instance, the uniqueness of elder dragons compared to other monsters after so many years of evolution. Also why sometimes you see subspecies or rare species taking on elder dragons in recent games cutscenes. Second Edit: Another example, the elements that wyverns must channel mostly externally, with the exception of Brachy. Unless there's an elder dragon we're unaware of that uses slime mold.
I always saw the Elder Dragons group as a sort of wastebasket taxon as there are monsters like Nakarkos that are clearly not related to the actual dragons (as it clearly is a cephalopod) and as powerful extremophiles. And for the Period of increased activity and decrease activity sounds like Facultative endothermy like how hummingbirds would go into a state of torpor in between feedings.
Personal Crazy Theory: With the new lore of Fatalis causing ripples in the fabric of time a space and being the canon reason for the crossovers like Behemoth and Leshen I think we can finally actually piece the puzzle together. Fatalis and as a matter of fact ALL the elder Dragons are not native to the world of Monster Hunter and are all entity's out of another universe. It makes sense when you think about it. We know that a ancient civilization existed before and they were very technologically advanced. There is no evidence on how this culture got lost and how they could possibly fall. The only guess we had so far is pointing our fingers at Fatalis but even as strong as fatalis is, it's doubtful it can really devastate a civ that had mechs and quite advanced guns. However there is now 2 factors to consider. Number 1 is that Fatalis can cause the creation Portals to different realms. Number 2 is that Fatalis is not a single entity. There is more than 1 Black Dragon of Legend. However they are quite rare. But now Picture Thousands of Fatalis entering the Universe of Monster Hunter. With so many Black Dragons of Destiny portals would open up left and right. The Whole world would be flooded with Elder Dragons out of nowhere, with many of them being walking natural disasters like Kushala Daora. With all these Dragons rampaging in a civilized world total mayhem would erupt with weather conditions going crazy. Even with all the advancements the ancient Civilization made they cannot combat the forces of nature going completely off the wires. So in a last ditch effort the ancient civ would attack the source of the problem that has entered their world: Fatalis. They chased down these dragons relentlessly and in large part succeeded but in the end the damage was done. The Cities and towns that were build have been wiped off the map along with many brilliant minds, blueprints and technologys. The only things that were left standing were ancient Castle and Forts from where humanity would have to build itself up again. But even then the last bastions of humanity were not save, because in the end some of the Black Dragons survived. Humans that survive would gather at castle schrade in hopes of rebuilding their lives they once had only for the Wyvern of Destiny, fueled by hatred by losing so many of it's kin, would wipe them out and win the War. From there Fatalis would walk on it's hindlegs as a mockery, for it has won. That what is lost is lost, the great pride and happiness humanity had was laid low and reduced to small tribes of settlements. That is the cost losing, that is the cost for facing the Wyvern of Destiny.
one thing i hope for in Wilds' expansion (preferably), or the next installment, is the discovery of something else about the Elder Dragons. true, their appeal comes from their mystery... but we have to know *something;* and it's better than nothing at all. on a side note, i'd love to see a dragon lurking beneath the surface of swamps and lakes. we don't have that (Ceadeus is a sea dragon, and Namielle and Amatsu don't fit anywhere else other than the maps where they showed up).
You know, I don't think I ever read that line from the 3rd Fleet Commander. Yes, it is a tad absurd, but the thought of Elder Dragons being akin to Eldritch gods, and the fact that the devs bothered to keep that line in the game, definitely intrigues me.
I wonder if what the 3rd fleet master was talking about was just the devs adding a bit of meta to the game. Tendrils that take on the shape of creatures because they would be too much for the mind to comprehend sounds to me like they are refrencing wireframes used for the models.
Yes, finally now. We're gonna get some more about some elder dragons. They are beings that are beyond human comprehension.They utterly are walking natural Disasters
*Begins thinking about super far out elders like Harudomerugu* Hmm yeah some of these elder dragons are pretty incredible.. and agitating.. but still cool! Also agitating 🤣 Also I believe that they are tied to the world's energy, dragon element seems to not only affect living things but also the other natural phenomenon in the world, like winds being manipulated, or gravity being defied etc etc Which causes me to think that the plant growing from where they laid has to do with the fact that dragon element again imo is technically ever present in the world, kinda like how some fantasy settings have mana/magic particles, maybe dragon element works the same way and because elder dragons for w/e reason have a tie to nature is acclimated to being able to manipulate nature around it. It also feels like some of these Elders serve a purpose, like our big nomadic boy Lao just barreling around, maybe they did this via instinct cause it was their role to break mountains or create paths in the earth so as to do something to the ecosystem or release things like specific ores for other things to feed on or simply tilling the earth for it to start a cycle once again.
I've been wondering this for a while and finally have the space to bring it up. so we know the Twins of rise experience this resonance. iirc, it's because they're descendent of the storm serpents. would this imply the Seeker is descendant of the 'jivas? like, from what ive seen, he's the only wyvarian who "felt" Xeno'Jiva's call, he's even said he doesn't know if he was following the Sapphire Star or bring tricked by Xeno'Jiva. more of a silly ask, would he also get the glowy eyed thing too? personally, I think he'd get orange-ish eyes.
Yeah, on the 3rd Fleet commander's theory... I don't think that is just incense or tobacco in that pipe/bong/hookah thingy. So probably best to not take her theory too seriously as they are probably just the ramblings of someone stoned out their damn mind at the time.
Mon mari m'a acheté de la lingerie tellement compliquée que j'ai besoin d'un doctorat pour l'enfiler. Qui aurait cru que s'habiller pour aller au lit nécessitait un mode d'emploi 😘
*Sources*
[0] Monster Hunter 4U NPC Dialogue in Cathar
[1] Hunter's Encyclopedia 2, pg. 45
[2] Monster Hunter World: The Official Complete Works, pg. 335
[3] Hunter's Encyclopedia 2, pg. 46
[4] Monster Hunter World: The Official Complete Works, pg. 100
[5] Monster Hunter 3 (Tri) NPC Dialogue
[6] Monster Hunter World: The Official Complete Works, pg. 338
[7] Monster Hunter World: The Official Complete Works, pg. 343
[8] Monster Hunter Festa 2008 Booklet, pg. 44
[8b] Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate Item Description
[9] Monster Hunter Rise: The Official Complete Works, pg. 197
[10] Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak: The Official Complete Works, pgs. 190-193
[11] Hunter's Encyclopedia 1, pg. 24
[12] Hunter's Encyclopedia 2, pg. 48
[13] Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate NPC Dialogue
[14] Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak: The Official Complete Works, pg. 74
[15] Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate Armor Descriptions
[16] Monster Hunter World Iceborne NPC Dialogue
[17] Hunter’s Encyclopedia 2, pg. 10
Ah yes the second most lore controversial subject. The one directly behind whatever Dragon element is.
After this is the topic on the indestructible titanium knees of hunters
I mean...there's still the question about Wyverian eggs...
What we know:
It's in elder dragons blood.
It reacts strongly with air creating a red plasma and can be used to control air currents.
Interacts with the function of other elemental reactions, not sure if physically, chemically, or energetically, as it can stun elemental abilities of other creatures or enhance their own to like alatreon does.
Overdose of such element can cause immense pain and stress to the mind and body.
Might be the source of their unusual long lifespan and resistance to illness.
It seems to be enhanced in energy production in a seeming chemical reaction with qurio's fluids, probably for their energy storing capabilities.
Personally I've always been a fan of the theory that it's derived from some exotic immune mechanism, which would explain why dragons produce it and yet tend to be weak to it. Introducing a foreign source to the body provokes a response, and we all know how miserable a cold or allergy can be.
If I had to guess, it’s likely some form of metabolized bio energy like Safis, hence why Elder dragons seem to be attracted to bio energy. It would also make sense considering that most sources of dragon element do a lot of feeding, hence getting enough bio energy to fuel it as it seems to be extremely expensive and taxing to make. The reason so many elders likely have it is that they can easily kill most monsters, meaning that their intake of bio energy is likely quite high and easy for them to maintain. This would also explain their extended lifespans as the properties of bio energy are still somewhat unknown.
Edit: It would likely also explain why so many elders have the same body plan, some six limbed distant ancestor was likely hyper successful and slowly diversified and adapted to the new bio energy powers, potentially dragon element, available to them. However, it’s likely that other elders sprung from other successful lines that gained enough bio energy and slowly became elders, for example something like Narwha, Ibushi, and Amatsu likely came from their own evolutionary line, perhaps a leviathan adjacent one. There’s also Kirin which are likely related to Kelbi but branched off long ago.
8:35 imagine being a villager going out for berries and fish and shit and you turn around and see that looking at you from the woods
Ah we are at this point of lore discussion. I’ve always liked the vastly differing nature of elder dragons, on one hand we got the traditions like Teostra, Kushala, and Shagaru, and then we got the celestial serpents and Amatsu, and then there’s Kirin and there’s also whatever Yami Tsukami is. Even within the uniform designs there’s weirdness. Alatreon made up of inverted scales, Shara being…well Shara, there’s Vaal who basically looks like a lich and then there’s Malzeno taking inspiration from vampires. They are so cool design wise and I love it.
This. I’m excited to see what wilds brings,and I’m praying that the leaks that were around a while back and nigh impossible to avoid were just trolls/haters. Saying that allegedly we won’t get elders at ALL at release. Just lots of deviljho/bazel/rajang tier monsties.
Elder dragons are my favorite “magical” element of monster hunter with how mysterious they are
I have a correction: while Ibushi and Narwa do interact with Hinoa and Minoto, the phenomenon of resonance is never actually attributed to them as anything to do with elder dragons, or even them in particular.
Hinoa and Minoto are resonators; they’ve resonated with each other since they were born-this is established before Ibushi and Narwa ever showed up.
Furthermore, the apex monsters are said to resonate with the Rampage (which is of course felt by and commented on by Hinoa and Minoto).
There are also comments later on suggesting that the Wyverian Bahari resonates with the Qurio, which is taken as a farce at first but then taken more seriously later.
By definition “resonance” requires two or more objects or parties, and often enough those two or more entities includes or is entirely made up of non-elder dragon. Whatever the resonance phenomenon is, it’s not unique to elders, even if Ibushi and Narwa seem to do so more powerfully than anything else we’ve seen.
Hmmm, could this lead to an event where an Elder Dragon causes say, some……Wuthering Waves?
I love me my Rathalos and Zinogres and more, but Elder Dragons truly inspire awe and wonder in the most terrifying ways.
It's like they are nature incarnate, caught RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of science and mystic.
You know to have a less goofy comment as one to actually add to discussion.
I personally think that many of what I call True Elder Dragons, the ones which have six limbs, might actually represent a nearly doomed lineage. So many of them seem to have no place within the ecosystem, they require such unusual diets likely to sustain their unusual abilities, and their populations are quite small despite seemingly having minimal natural predators at any stage in their life. While there are many species that naturally stabilize at low population numbers, I have to wonder if what's keeping their population numbers down is the difficulty of acquiring and devouring their favored foods, which often a non-renewable resource.
This is not a universal issue, but many Elder Dragons seem to require non-renewable diets. Eating things such as coal, metals, and other such resources. That's a very strange niche to evolve into. While biomineralization isn't unheard of in the real world, it's typically things that are regularly cycled through predation and the decomposition cycle and not a primary dietary aspect. As well as many animals simply eating rocks that have certain value to us.
The lack of predators, the lack of evidence that Elder Dragons are being scavenged by each other, and the fact that such odd individuals don't seem to predate or scavenge other animals nor eat odd plants or fungi means that I don't think they are extracting those resources from the cycle. They quite literally eat rocks.
They do tend to be quite suited to a nomadic lifestyle. This makes me think that at one point this mineralvore niche was worthwhile, as shown by wyverns who have similar, though more generic, diets. It was a fairly empty niche with a surplus of resources. As time has gone on, those resources have become taxed. This led to the evolutionary pressures to be more nomadic. From there you get the evolutionary pressures to be long-lived with long periods of dormancy allowing them to travel to where there's food, eat the food, sleep until you have to wake up to travel to find more food. The lack of food means that the population needs to stay small and it likely needs to keep shrinking.
Others like Vaal Hazak, Nergigante, and Shagaru Magala are not at risk.
Now that we have three cephalopod monsters it’s about time for them to be moved to their own new classification, they definitely stand out the most when compared to the other elder dragons.
"BUT IS IT AS STRONG AS A BLACK DRAGON?" - Every MH Fan who thinks they're studious.
A previously unknown Elder Dragon is the greatest threat a hunter can face, for the simple reason that the hunter has absolutely NO IDEA WHATSOEVER of what it can do or how it will act. A new Elder Dragon could just as likely summon lightning as it could erupt a blue flame that turns the ground to magma beneath your feet, or cause an avalanche in the middle of a desert, or drop you in a fissure, or impale you with spears of solid wind, or simply turn away from you, and walk harmlessly by. There is NO predicting their actions without years of research, so a brand new, undiscovered beast of such power, is a risk greater than any other, simply by its proximity to you. An Elder Dragon could just as easily scatter a trail of gold behind it as bring a whole city to ruin just by passing by, or itching its horns.
Man, what a note to end on. Didnt consider that Elder Dragons could be Lovecraftian horrors
Nothing like some existential horror to start your day!
I will forever love the idea that Kush might be a living freezer. And the understanding of its biological mechanisms could lead to a technological milestone
Slaps a state of the art kush freezer, "you can fit SO many raw Steaks in this bad boy, no more need for ice rooms or harvesting freeze sacs, this bitch runs on pure elder dragon biology turned mechanical"
You have all those strange looking creatures, a Chimera like fire lion, a metal lizzard, a chamelion like lizzard that goes invisible, a seahorse couple that flies and shoots wind and thunder, a dog with wings that grows spike, a literal moving vulcano, a ball of flying moist with human teeth. And then, the most powerfull creature in existence of Monster Hunter is a generic looking fantasy dragon, and that is amazing
Also an electric Horse
One of my favorite less known details about elder dragons in the older games (pre 5th Gen) is that elder dragons will often attack the environment without having spotted the player.
Like a Kushala just standing around shooting air blasts at nothing, as if just to destroy. It really highlights their destructive nature and the obvious tendency of living creatures to flee their presence.
They tend to have very long range and wide-angle player detection so you don’t get to see this often, but it is there.
Awesome video as always, man.
I wonder how many lore bits, no matter how inconsequential they might be, are hidden and unknown to many because they're usually only seen once in NPC dialogues and if you skipped it, they're gone and lost.
Wish I could find a compiled list of them all online, from MH1 to Rise Sunbreak... But that's definitely one big endeavor that'll take a while lol
Funnily enough an archive of all MH Game Dialogue did exist, it was called mhtext !! it was shut down a year or so ago though...
@Oceaniz Damn, that sucks. Why did it get shut down, so much information lost... Has anybody found an alternative to it?
I wonder if wayback machine can help but I have no idea if it's up to date to Rise Sunbreak or not.
Interestingly, Magdaros has wings, but they are hidden under a model of a volcano-shell
Honestly feels like there should be two categories within Elder Dragon. Those with a hexapodal body plan and are clearly related, and those that truly defy explanation.
Love your informative videos, Oceanz! Really appreciate the hard work you do to put these videos together!
Bro what is the Third Fleet Commander smoking? Somebody ought to take that from her
I always like how elder dragons are so different form other monsters like they are not part of the ecosystem.
fantasic video, always love to see elder dragons discussed! also loving the bits of dragon's dogma music c:
13:30 Albeit, resonance is stated to be the ability that Hinoa and Minoto have is it not? Hinoa in particular had used it for a long time with other people. It's more like they picked up on Ibushi and Narwa's intense thoughts rather than Ibushi and Narwa having any special ability to resonate with them. Bahari even, perhaps only half-jokingly, claims he can resonate with the Quirio after having studied them for a while. The way he words it, saying they feel excited, like a child praised by their parent, really does make it sound like he means it.
Does Capcom know you exist? this is incredible.
I love Monster Hunter and Oceaniz!
Nothing brings a smile to my face like a brand new Oceaniz video!
Nice video!
As someone starting out with the games recently, Elder Dragons are really interesting.. they at times make me feel at awe or dread because they break your conception of the world when you are just starting out
The third fleet commander's thoughts about them is fascinating, because i thought Kushala was a great example of a natural disaster e.g typhoons, strong winds and tornadoes, taking a form of something- in this case, a dragon
I live in a place prone to those types of natural disasters, i sometimes think that an entity comes and controls to bring about these misfortunes, but because you will usually be busy trying to stay alive and take shelter, you won't see em unless you take a risk and go out
Yama Tsukami takes this to a whole otherworldly level for me, cause i used to look at lovecraft designs, as much as it is cliche to look at a couple of tentacles and think of as that
Side note: i thought Lao Shan Lung migrates because its trying to flee from a certain dragon relating to castle schrade, so that just means they are a tragic creature. i find that very sad honestly
Incredible work as always. Thanks.
Finally an elder dragon documentary
“The desire to possess an elder dragon is bad” *casually rides around on my Kirin Monstie like the horse girl I am*
My favourite Elder Dragons are Nergigante and Fatalis.
Should have mention the black dragons to
Personal theory; the EDW was so 'alive' that it's the actual ancestor of modern wyverns, and elder dragons were the only kind back in the day, hence a tower made of Kushala Daora.
Edit: for instance, the uniqueness of elder dragons compared to other monsters after so many years of evolution. Also why sometimes you see subspecies or rare species taking on elder dragons in recent games cutscenes.
Second Edit: Another example, the elements that wyverns must channel mostly externally, with the exception of Brachy. Unless there's an elder dragon we're unaware of that uses slime mold.
Love your informative videos! Very helpful and well done🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
5:40 did you say "levinbolts"?🤨🤨
yessir we are bringing old english terms BACK
levin>>>>>lightning
I always saw the Elder Dragons group as a sort of wastebasket taxon as there are monsters like Nakarkos that are clearly not related to the actual dragons (as it clearly is a cephalopod) and as powerful extremophiles. And for the Period of increased activity and decrease activity sounds like Facultative endothermy like how hummingbirds would go into a state of torpor in between feedings.
Personal Crazy Theory: With the new lore of Fatalis causing ripples in the fabric of time a space and being the canon reason for the crossovers like Behemoth and Leshen I think we can finally actually piece the puzzle together. Fatalis and as a matter of fact ALL the elder Dragons are not native to the world of Monster Hunter and are all entity's out of another universe. It makes sense when you think about it. We know that a ancient civilization existed before and they were very technologically advanced. There is no evidence on how this culture got lost and how they could possibly fall. The only guess we had so far is pointing our fingers at Fatalis but even as strong as fatalis is, it's doubtful it can really devastate a civ that had mechs and quite advanced guns.
However there is now 2 factors to consider. Number 1 is that Fatalis can cause the creation Portals to different realms. Number 2 is that Fatalis is not a single entity. There is more than 1 Black Dragon of Legend. However they are quite rare. But now Picture Thousands of Fatalis entering the Universe of Monster Hunter. With so many Black Dragons of Destiny portals would open up left and right. The Whole world would be flooded with Elder Dragons out of nowhere, with many of them being walking natural disasters like Kushala Daora. With all these Dragons rampaging in a civilized world total mayhem would erupt with weather conditions going crazy. Even with all the advancements the ancient Civilization made they cannot combat the forces of nature going completely off the wires. So in a last ditch effort the ancient civ would attack the source of the problem that has entered their world: Fatalis. They chased down these dragons relentlessly and in large part succeeded but in the end the damage was done. The Cities and towns that were build have been wiped off the map along with many brilliant minds, blueprints and technologys. The only things that were left standing were ancient Castle and Forts from where humanity would have to build itself up again.
But even then the last bastions of humanity were not save, because in the end some of the Black Dragons survived. Humans that survive would gather at castle schrade in hopes of rebuilding their lives they once had only for the Wyvern of Destiny, fueled by hatred by losing so many of it's kin, would wipe them out and win the War. From there Fatalis would walk on it's hindlegs as a mockery, for it has won. That what is lost is lost, the great pride and happiness humanity had was laid low and reduced to small tribes of settlements. That is the cost losing, that is the cost for facing the Wyvern of Destiny.
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one thing i hope for in Wilds' expansion (preferably), or the next installment, is the discovery of something else about the Elder Dragons. true, their appeal comes from their mystery... but we have to know *something;* and it's better than nothing at all.
on a side note, i'd love to see a dragon lurking beneath the surface of swamps and lakes. we don't have that (Ceadeus is a sea dragon, and Namielle and Amatsu don't fit anywhere else other than the maps where they showed up).
You know, I don't think I ever read that line from the 3rd Fleet Commander. Yes, it is a tad absurd, but the thought of Elder Dragons being akin to Eldritch gods, and the fact that the devs bothered to keep that line in the game, definitely intrigues me.
Thanks as always bro
I wonder if what the 3rd fleet master was talking about was just the devs adding a bit of meta to the game. Tendrils that take on the shape of creatures because they would be too much for the mind to comprehend sounds to me like they are refrencing wireframes used for the models.
Elder dragons are just lines of code, but they need to have a 3d model or else the players won't understand what they,re fighting :O
Yes, finally now. We're gonna get some more about some elder dragons. They are beings that are beyond human comprehension.They utterly are walking natural Disasters
Finally it's here the beginning and the end
*Begins thinking about super far out elders like Harudomerugu*
Hmm yeah some of these elder dragons are pretty incredible.. and agitating.. but still cool! Also agitating 🤣
Also I believe that they are tied to the world's energy, dragon element seems to not only affect living things but also the other natural phenomenon in the world, like winds being manipulated, or gravity being defied etc etc
Which causes me to think that the plant growing from where they laid has to do with the fact that dragon element again imo is technically ever present in the world, kinda like how some fantasy settings have mana/magic particles, maybe dragon element works the same way and because elder dragons for w/e reason have a tie to nature is acclimated to being able to manipulate nature around it.
It also feels like some of these Elders serve a purpose, like our big nomadic boy Lao just barreling around, maybe they did this via instinct cause it was their role to break mountains or create paths in the earth so as to do something to the ecosystem or release things like specific ores for other things to feed on or simply tilling the earth for it to start a cycle once again.
I've been wondering this for a while and finally have the space to bring it up.
so we know the Twins of rise experience this resonance. iirc, it's because they're descendent of the storm serpents.
would this imply the Seeker is descendant of the 'jivas? like, from what ive seen, he's the only wyvarian who "felt" Xeno'Jiva's call, he's even said he doesn't know if he was following the Sapphire Star or bring tricked by Xeno'Jiva.
more of a silly ask, would he also get the glowy eyed thing too? personally, I think he'd get orange-ish eyes.
what is the first song used in the video?
Would the Welkin part be a nod to the Monster Riders? Given players can tame said creature.
Yeah, on the 3rd Fleet commander's theory... I don't think that is just incense or tobacco in that pipe/bong/hookah thingy. So probably best to not take her theory too seriously as they are probably just the ramblings of someone stoned out their damn mind at the time.
Dragons dogma music in the background?
Increíble work as always! Thanks For this! Hearth please ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Lore of kirin..
Won't stay fucking still
my favourite dragon is Horse
Basically they'll be calling whatever tf they don't know Elder Dragon these days.
[13] Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate NPC Dialogue......
WHO SAY IT....AND IS THERE VIDEO OF IT?
[16] Monster Hunter World Iceborne NPC Dialogue
........AGRRRRRR
Does anyone when is that. Like after fight what monster or after what quest
We really should get you some Dos footage for the Gen 2 Elder Dragons cause they look pretty bad on PSP.
Early squad🎉🎉🎉🎉
Earlyyy squad
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One thing I DO know about these Elder’s, is that their skin looks GREAT in a mantle, and my SwagAxe 🤌🏻
Mon mari m'a acheté de la lingerie tellement compliquée que j'ai besoin d'un doctorat pour l'enfiler. Qui aurait cru que s'habiller pour aller au lit nécessitait un mode d'emploi 😘