Thank you Kris for recommending to leave the insert in. I get so tired of everyone just ripping them out for no reason. Believe it or not, they are there for a reason!
There isn't anyway that Kris needs 1st gear for corners. I don't care how tight the rut is lol. This review was refreshing. You know if Suzuki would quit racing Pro MX and SX ppl would go nuts but at the same time the ppl that would go nuts are the same ppl who thrash them in every yearly bike test or review. They're solid bikes. If it's not broke, why fix it? Also, a kickstarter never hurt anybody. When I ride even my old ass Hondas I don't sit there and kick them 10 thousand times so who cares if you kick once or twice and it fires up.
yep you nailed it. they said more weight, more stuff to fail etc. now if you don't have electric they bash the bike. If I was buying new personally, I would probably opt for the Suzuki even though I'm die hard Honda just for the price differential. I'm not a pro level racer. Any difference in performance that they may potentially have wouldn't affect any of my race results.@@jeremy_beckers
I bought the first electric start ktm 2stroke and will never own a bike without the button. 99.9 of time you don’t need electric. But I ride/race woods. After 2 hours of hard riding and a crash my old knees do not want or need to kick start a bike. Yes I can do it but I prefer to never do that again. I buy accordingly. I love the yellow bikes and would own one now instead of blue if the had the magic.
@@stevesmith756speak for yourself. I bought a Suzuki back in December and love it. After owning newer kawis an ktms, I wouldn’t buy another. I’ve rode newer Husqvarna, Honda, and would keep my Suzuki over them as well. Yamaha is the only brand I’d consider going back to. But even then, have no plans to get rid of my Suzuki.
@@stevesmith756not true. id prefer a yomamaha, but am swayed to suckzuki just because the kickstart. im looking to start motocross and i ride trails ALOT. dont mind kicking a bike over. but id b pissed to stall motor 20 miles from home, and the battery, or starter switch, or starter, or starter clutch fail and have to push the bike home.
No electric start!! Keep the kicker, ain’t no one wanna change a battery or have to charge one after letting sit over the winter. Love the rmz the way it is. No need to change anything with simple add ons like any other bike u will get the max power you need 🤙🤙
I agree. If anything keep working on making starting easier and firing up quicker, but I got electric start on my quads and it’s a pain! Batteries don’t last and need constant maintenance. Suzuki is such a solid bike!
Dude when I trail ride with a bunch of my buddies they ride ktms husqvarnas and I'm the only one out there on a rmz250.. they think I'm crazy and I love it💪🤣
Looking into getting my first new bike and I really like these. No electric start is whatever I mean I don’t have it on my 05 crf250r now so not like I’m losing that. Great video gents.
the whole hype for suzuki with hep and roczen and everything came to late to bring something new in 2024. but the multi year deal between hep and suzuki and this army edition and the fact that roczen will stay there, i think in 2025 we will really see something. not a complete new bike but updates
Whoever said Suzuki is unreliable doesn’t know their brands. Easily the Toyota of motorcycles. Between the RMZ and GSX-R, they handle like a dream and are super reliable. If you know how to work the bike, they can very comfortable and fast.
Most reliable bike out there. Every weekend on other brands I hear my crank bearing, piston cracked, Cam chain, clutch plate cracked, shifting and electrical problems.
That a sharp looking setup for sure. It reminds me of the color scheme my 05 gsxr600 had. Do they come with the bike along with the exhaust? Sorry if I missed that bit.
From what I heard elsewhere it's a rebate thing. You can leave the bike at the dealership for another week or 2 for the stuff to come in so they can put it on for you... or you can leave with the bike the day you buy it and have them send the pipe/graphics to your house.
No 4 stroke engine ever wants or needs back pressure, nor will it ever perform better with back pressure. There have been countless hours of dyno testing to prove these old wives tales false. The best exhaust for any 4 stroke is a straight open pipe long enough to prevent cold air from reversing back to the valve....so like 1/2 foot of pipe. Everything beyond that for 4 stroke exhaust pipes is for noise abatement and tone.
Just adding Estart and a bluetooth interface for power customization and these bikes would be back on par with the rest of the options. After the way KR rode this year I would be shocked if Suzuki didn't bring these models into the 2020's in terms of tech very soon.
don't be a naive fool that runs around and regurgitates stupid ideas and bad sentiment. Suzuki is a large, international corporation. They make hundreds of things. You act like there are 5 employees at Suzuki and that they all care about motocross. Step outside of your little self imposed moto bubble and you'll quickly realize that these companies are so much bigger than motocross. It's not 1973. Winning moto and selling moto is insignificant in every way to the bottom line of a company like Suzuki. They don't need to win Moto to sell dirt bikes. Thats an outdated understanding of performance vehicle sales in the modern era. Honda went almost 20 years without winning while still dominating the sales charts 7/2 over Yamaha (their closest competitor in west markets). ...and those figures are all types of dirtbikes, not just MX. BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!! no one at Suzuki cares!!!!!!!! Motocross is the smallest segment in the entirety of motorcycling. It is 50 times smaller than the offroad market. Suzuki has over 1000 engineers and only 20 of them work in the off-road bike department at any given time. ...and of those 20 or so guys...none of them are prioritizing MX over much more lucrative markets like dual sports and middle weight adventure bikes. Their entire dirt bike lineup is 5 models- thats MX AND off road. Go look for yourself. THEY DON"T CARE!!!!! ...and neither should you.
So if the exhaust has the carbon end cap and is made of Ti, then why isn't it the Ti-6? Those are the only two differences between an actual T-6 and a Ti-6.
An it’s still winning against all those 2023 bikes with so called , “powerful engines with e start” what a shame to lose against a 2012 suzuki engine 😂
@@thekidd1856 is it winning??? I can't think of anyone who is racing the RMZ250... when was the last championship for the 450? I think Roczen out doors 2016.
@@Lightning7474. the 250 is similar to the 450 what are you talking bout ?? only difference is hp … so yea they don’t have a good rider that’s why ! Y’all said the same shit bout the 450 now wen Kenny prove y’all wrong now it’s the 250
@@Lightning7474. wen was Hondas last time winning a championship ? Since rc was racing but yet Honda always been better then Suzuki right ? I can tell you know nothing bout bikes jus stop it ! like I said it’s the rider more then the machine
@@thekidd1856 dude calm down.... I totally like Suzuki... They have a great racing history and a lot of awesome champions. Decoster, Barnett, cooper, pastrana. I just wonder why the bikes haven't changed in so long and they can't get no good support. I didn't mean to offend anybody. 🥴
You say to leave the insert in but it takes away some bottom, then you say you have to hit some corners in first because it doesn’t have enough bottom… well take the damn insert out then
I like the Suzukis and I think they are good bikes, with some adjustment and a few simple mods they are just as competitive as any other brand. I’ve been thinking about getting one in the future. I’m glad that they don’t have electric start, I hope they don’t add one, a true MX bike Should have a kickstart, same deal with Yamaha and the YZ 125 as the only 125 now without e start. Electric start doesn’t belong on a Motocross bike if you ask me. If you’re older and or you want to ride trails, get a trail bike that’s designed for that. MX bikes are race bikes and need to try to be as light as they can be…
Suzuki was so far ahead of the game when they last made changes it’s crazy that they have gone so long without changes the the bikes aren’t really that far off the competition put on Estart and a Bluetooth interface for power customizations and give the motor more power and they would be on par with everyone else on the market and put the bike on a diet lol
So it's pretty good and doesn't really need electric start, technology updates, power updates, suspension valving updates, and lighter materials update? Got it. Sounds like it doesn't need much at all.
@@drewjonespdx In my opinion, I think they will because we live in a time where everybody wants the latest and greatest and nothing that's considered "old" has any place. Once something is counted as outdated, they kick it out the door. I'd say it's only a matter of time. Personally speaking, I hate e start but I wouldn't not buy a bike because it has it but if I had a choice, kickstart any day.
Interesting they didn't mention anything about its'(at least the 450) serious weight problem. I rode a '23 back in July at GH, and especially coming off a 300SX the thing felt like an (underpowered) Abrams tank. Ironically I subsequently came across a video made by some dude documenting his weight loss (attempt) on his RMZ 450. It showed 251lbs full of fuel on his scales in stock form. It felt every bit of those 250lbs when I rode it. Especially on a bumpy GH track, but the bike's lack of power certainly contributed. After seeing this video and reading a lot of the comments however, I can understand Suzuki's reluctance to 'update' the thing. The one guy said he prefers the Suzuki to the Yamaha he owns/rides(makes me wonder why then doesn't he already own/ride one), and not only did they spend MUCH more time talking up the bike(s), seemed the [very] few times they had something negative to say, they first qualified the statement. With such reviews and the seemingly happy customers commenting below, it's no wonder why Suzuki sells all the 10's of these bikes they make😁
These are 4 strokes! Nobody wants them. I would build the Suzuki RM125 and 250 and they would sell so fast. The motocross world is going back to 2 strokes so they should go ahead and get the jump on it
When is everyone except Suzuki going to ditch the day destroying, heavy and unreliable electric start. I've pushed more bikes home in the last five years than I had the previous 60 years. Electric ⚡ start is for girly men.
@@stevesmith756 I know, right? So, hard to believe SUZUKI has put their MX bikes R&D on the back burner. Letting DeCoster and Dungey go was the beginning of the end…😞
Thank you Kris for recommending to leave the insert in. I get so tired of everyone just ripping them out for no reason. Believe it or not, they are there for a reason!
Yes they are there for noise abatement and nothing else.
@@Randy_Cox False.
Man these bikes are the best looking ones out of the crate that 4 sure
I love the Suzukis I think they ride well in tough conditions
There isn't anyway that Kris needs 1st gear for corners. I don't care how tight the rut is lol. This review was refreshing. You know if Suzuki would quit racing Pro MX and SX ppl would go nuts but at the same time the ppl that would go nuts are the same ppl who thrash them in every yearly bike test or review. They're solid bikes. If it's not broke, why fix it? Also, a kickstarter never hurt anybody. When I ride even my old ass Hondas I don't sit there and kick them 10 thousand times so who cares if you kick once or twice and it fires up.
Amen brother!
Same guys bashing on kickstarters were also the same guys bashing the electric starter when it came out.
yep you nailed it. they said more weight, more stuff to fail etc. now if you don't have electric they bash the bike. If I was buying new personally, I would probably opt for the Suzuki even though I'm die hard Honda just for the price differential. I'm not a pro level racer. Any difference in performance that they may potentially have wouldn't affect any of my race results.@@jeremy_beckers
@@jeremy_beckersliterally
I bought the first electric start ktm 2stroke and will never own a bike without the button. 99.9 of time you don’t need electric. But I ride/race woods. After 2 hours of hard riding and a crash my old knees do not want or need to kick start a bike. Yes I can do it but I prefer to never do that again. I buy accordingly. I love the yellow bikes and would own one now instead of blue if the had the magic.
Best looking bike , especially in this setup
2024 RM-Z450 $4,999 here in vista ca. new!
@@Dane-o7q wow that price is UNBEATABLE.
And it's an amazing bike, just change springs and go ride
@@Motoinc Ride now motorsports vista. i will get mine soon.
Do they also export to europe? That price is crazy@@Dane-o7q
I love how y'all advertising batteries on a Kickstart bike test 😂
😂 good point
The color combination is awesome ! Wish they would have had the changes you suggested in stock form.
I agree completely, the Suzuki and Honda are the best looking ones on the gate.
Kickstart Kenny got us all wanting the zuke again. I feel like we all forgot about this cheaper beast.
Nobody wants a fat pig with a kickstart. We all want the magic button
@@stevesmith756speak for yourself. I bought a Suzuki back in December and love it. After owning newer kawis an ktms, I wouldn’t buy another. I’ve rode newer Husqvarna, Honda, and would keep my Suzuki over them as well. Yamaha is the only brand I’d consider going back to. But even then, have no plans to get rid of my Suzuki.
@@stevesmith756not true. id prefer a yomamaha, but am swayed to suckzuki just because the kickstart. im looking to start motocross and i ride trails ALOT. dont mind kicking a bike over. but id b pissed to stall motor 20 miles from home, and the battery, or starter switch, or starter, or starter clutch fail and have to push the bike home.
@@justjesse16 the e start has been proven reliable for almost a decade now. Never go back
@@stevesmith756 it proves reliable til its not.
No electric start!! Keep the kicker, ain’t no one wanna change a battery or have to charge one after letting sit over the winter. Love the rmz the way it is. No need to change anything with simple add ons like any other bike u will get the max power you need 🤙🤙
I agree. If anything keep working on making starting easier and firing up quicker, but I got electric start on my quads and it’s a pain! Batteries don’t last and need constant maintenance. Suzuki is such a solid bike!
Dude when I trail ride with a bunch of my buddies they ride ktms husqvarnas and I'm the only one out there on a rmz250.. they think I'm crazy and I love it💪🤣
You’re the only one that will be going home😂
Everyone i know with a ktm its broke down in the garage
@@sampson7941ktm on Sunday. ATM on Monday😊
I want one of those. Now!
Looking into getting my first new bike and I really like these. No electric start is whatever I mean I don’t have it on my 05 crf250r now so not like I’m losing that. Great video gents.
the whole hype for suzuki with hep and roczen and everything came to late to bring something new in 2024. but the multi year deal between hep and suzuki and this army edition and the fact that roczen will stay there, i think in 2025 we will really see something. not a complete new bike but updates
Love Suzuki
Whoever said Suzuki is unreliable doesn’t know their brands. Easily the Toyota of motorcycles. Between the RMZ and GSX-R, they handle like a dream and are super reliable. If you know how to work the bike, they can very comfortable and fast.
I good revalve on the BFRC makes it feel like a normal shock. The check valve shims are just too small. I’ve done a lot of testing with great results
i would get a Pro Circuit revalve on suspension and call it good!
I have a 250 rmz the bike is awsome it handles great and the power the suspension i cant say nothing else all great love my rmz
Can you buy that PC pipe/coupler kit directly from Pro Circuit for a 2019 RMZ450?
I’d much rather buy a YOSHIMURA Ti full system…😉
@@sdb92I honestly would too
still a beautiful bike tho with black rims
RMZ , the iPhone of dirtbikes
Well, just like iPhone, they have made some updates along the way believe it or not
The full Procircuit line and graphics, is that, if you buy it in the states, or it applies to all over the world?
Thanks xx
Most reliable bike out there. Every weekend on other brands I hear my crank bearing, piston cracked, Cam chain, clutch plate cracked, shifting and electrical problems.
Proven fact✅
suzuki still the best,, 😀😀👍👍👍
Yes they are
What gear were you using going up those big jumps
Kris & Kenny 2 awesome reviewers.
They don't jump on the trash Suzuki band wagon like the rest and they tak sense. Great review of a brilliant bike
👍👍
Keefer, why did you open up the Rmz test video with an advertisement for a motorcycle battery?
Where can I get info on the tune for the PC Pipe?
I just picked up a 2020 rmz450 for cheap. Are there any places to find/share maps?
That a sharp looking setup for sure. It reminds me of the color scheme my 05 gsxr600 had. Do they come with the bike along with the exhaust? Sorry if I missed that bit.
yep, graphics and exhaust are included with the purchase
We had the same gsxr then cause I’m right there with you 🙌
From what I heard elsewhere it's a rebate thing. You can leave the bike at the dealership for another week or 2 for the stuff to come in so they can put it on for you... or you can leave with the bike the day you buy it and have them send the pipe/graphics to your house.
both has the fancy apps for mapping ! it's the GET mapping, you just need to plug the wifi and a 12V Battery.
No 4 stroke engine ever wants or needs back pressure, nor will it ever perform better with back pressure. There have been countless hours of dyno testing to prove these old wives tales false. The best exhaust for any 4 stroke is a straight open pipe long enough to prevent cold air from reversing back to the valve....so like 1/2 foot of pipe. Everything beyond that for 4 stroke exhaust pipes is for noise abatement and tone.
Just adding Estart and a bluetooth interface for power customization and these bikes would be back on par with the rest of the options. After the way KR rode this year I would be shocked if Suzuki didn't bring these models into the 2020's in terms of tech very soon.
don't be a naive fool that runs around and regurgitates stupid ideas and bad sentiment.
Suzuki is a large, international corporation. They make hundreds of things. You act like there are 5 employees at Suzuki and that they all care about motocross.
Step outside of your little self imposed moto bubble and you'll quickly realize that these companies are so much bigger than motocross. It's not 1973. Winning moto and selling moto is insignificant in every way to the bottom line of a company like Suzuki. They don't need to win Moto to sell dirt bikes. Thats an outdated understanding of performance vehicle sales in the modern era. Honda went almost 20 years without winning while still dominating the sales charts 7/2 over Yamaha (their closest competitor in west markets). ...and those figures are all types of dirtbikes, not just MX.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!! no one at Suzuki cares!!!!!!!! Motocross is the smallest segment in the entirety of motorcycling. It is 50 times smaller than the offroad market. Suzuki has over 1000 engineers and only 20 of them work in the off-road bike department at any given time. ...and of those 20 or so guys...none of them are prioritizing MX over much more lucrative markets like dual sports and middle weight adventure bikes. Their entire dirt bike lineup is 5 models- thats MX AND off road. Go look for yourself. THEY DON"T CARE!!!!! ...and neither should you.
who cares about an electric start! electric start is lazy
@@kevinboudreaux2845I do. When running hair scrambles it comes in handy
So if the exhaust has the carbon end cap and is made of Ti, then why isn't it the Ti-6? Those are the only two differences between an actual T-6 and a Ti-6.
& introducing the 2012 RMZ line up for 2024...... Bold new graphics & a pipe.
An it’s still winning against all those 2023 bikes with so called , “powerful engines with e start” what a shame to lose against a 2012 suzuki engine 😂
@@thekidd1856 is it winning??? I can't think of anyone who is racing the RMZ250... when was the last championship for the 450? I think Roczen out doors 2016.
@@Lightning7474. the 250 is similar to the 450 what are you talking bout ?? only difference is hp … so yea they don’t have a good rider that’s why ! Y’all said the same shit bout the 450 now wen Kenny prove y’all wrong now it’s the 250
@@Lightning7474. wen was Hondas last time winning a championship ? Since rc was racing but yet Honda always been better then Suzuki right ? I can tell you know nothing bout bikes jus stop it ! like I said it’s the rider more then the machine
@@thekidd1856 dude calm down.... I totally like Suzuki... They have a great racing history and a lot of awesome champions. Decoster, Barnett, cooper, pastrana. I just wonder why the bikes haven't changed in so long and they can't get no good support. I didn't mean to offend anybody. 🥴
Bro said he’d pick the Zuke over Yamaha to race a national on…. Internet about to lose their minds 🤣
RMZ´s hatters don´t like to face these videos.
What can be done? Nothing.
Are they under $5000?
🇺🇸IF YOU CAN'T KICK START IT,
OR PICK IT UP WHEN YOU FALL,
YOU SHOULDN'T BE ON IT.😏
#RHEC #CREEKSQUAD
Who puts the " - " in rmz
You say to leave the insert in but it takes away some bottom, then you say you have to hit some corners in first because it doesn’t have enough bottom… well take the damn insert out then
Wow they handle better for them than a yammy cool that does it for me
My 18 rmz has been sitting a few months guarantee it will start 2nd kick don’t have to put a new battery or wait for a charge
😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
I like the Suzukis and I think they are good bikes, with some adjustment and a few simple mods they are just as competitive as any other brand. I’ve been thinking about getting one in the future. I’m glad that they don’t have electric start, I hope they don’t add one, a true MX bike Should have a kickstart, same deal with Yamaha and the YZ 125 as the only 125 now without e start. Electric start doesn’t belong on a Motocross bike if you ask me. If you’re older and or you want to ride trails, get a trail bike that’s designed for that. MX bikes are race bikes and need to try to be as light as they can be…
Hey,it corner's well!
Suzuki was so far ahead of the game when they last made changes it’s crazy that they have gone so long without changes the the bikes aren’t really that far off the competition put on Estart and a Bluetooth interface for power customizations and give the motor more power and they would be on par with everyone else on the market and put the bike on a diet lol
So it's pretty good and doesn't really need electric start, technology updates, power updates, suspension valving updates, and lighter materials update?
Got it. Sounds like it doesn't need much at all.
Still to this day there is nothing that corners like a Suzuki
@@claybeisser8329exactly!
Why white plastics.. cmon.. this thing full yellow would me sick as fuck..
That is what I did to my 2018 RMX. All yellow, black wheels, and a little red in my custom sticker kit. I get compliments on it all the time.
@@easternyellowjacket276 this is how it should be.. all yellow, maybe with yellow rims too.. as Yamaha. But I do like the black one as well..
Love the kicker 😎 keep the kicker, put her on a diet and gtg
Add an E start and drop 10 lbs and we’ll buy one. Oh and a hydro clutch
You never talked about e start
Everybody already wines and cries about the lack of it.
@@iRyan876 do you think Suzuki will add it in the near future?
@@drewjonespdxnever #kickstarttillwedie
@@drewjonespdx In my opinion, I think they will because we live in a time where everybody wants the latest and greatest and nothing that's considered "old" has any place. Once something is counted as outdated, they kick it out the door. I'd say it's only a matter of time. Personally speaking, I hate e start but I wouldn't not buy a bike because it has it but if I had a choice, kickstart any day.
Last year they couldn’t even sell a 450 for more than 7500. Now they want $9,200 for the 2024?? Get real
You’re paying per pound 😂
The best pro circuit pipe there is, of course there’s going to be a difference in price
Was considering the RM-Z 450 right until I saw the new price tag.....$9199.....I'm out!!
It’s the cheapest out of all the 450s though. Suzuki and kawi are the only barely affordable priced bikes anymore
Doing Suzuki dirty with a battery sponsor lol
Interesting they didn't mention anything about its'(at least the 450) serious weight problem. I rode a '23 back in July at GH, and especially coming off a 300SX the thing felt like an (underpowered) Abrams tank. Ironically I subsequently came across a video made by some dude documenting his weight loss (attempt) on his RMZ 450. It showed 251lbs full of fuel on his scales in stock form. It felt every bit of those 250lbs when I rode it. Especially on a bumpy GH track, but the bike's lack of power certainly contributed.
After seeing this video and reading a lot of the comments however, I can understand Suzuki's reluctance to 'update' the thing. The one guy said he prefers the Suzuki to the Yamaha he owns/rides(makes me wonder why then doesn't he already own/ride one), and not only did they spend MUCH more time talking up the bike(s), seemed the [very] few times they had something negative to say, they first qualified the statement.
With such reviews and the seemingly happy customers commenting below, it's no wonder why Suzuki sells all the 10's of these bikes they make😁
These are 4 strokes! Nobody wants them. I would build the Suzuki RM125 and 250 and they would sell so fast. The motocross world is going back to 2 strokes so they should go ahead and get the jump on it
Not one Suzuki 250 at the pro level?
Bar-X Suzuki. Drake, Schwartz, Wageman, etc.
You named Kens bike sponsors but forgot.......PROGRESSIVE??
They couldn’t care less
Really
dude on the 250 needs to learn when to shift! or ride in a lower gear
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Test whatever bike you want. The bike that wins is the bike with Haiden Deegan on it😮🎉
Calm down fan boy.
@@fox13z400 I'll calm down as soon as your mom calms down🫶👍👊🖕
Bro he’s underage chill
@@jeremy_beckers That's what we said to your mom🖕
How many times did deagan get beat this year? Pretty sure the Honda is up on top more often then not
When is everyone except Suzuki going to ditch the day destroying, heavy and unreliable electric start. I've pushed more bikes home in the last five years than I had the previous 60 years. Electric ⚡ start is for girly men.
This video is about 17 minutes too long. Just tell us that it's the same as the 2014 bikes.
They didn’t tell you that because they’re NOT!
Suzukiing
Is anyone buying Suzuki? Never see them around the tracks in southern California
Nope nobody rides them. Not at Pala Perris GH or Elsinore
@@stevesmith756I see them when I go I ride all those tracks. It’s not the most popular but they are out there
BNG
Not even that! Very same graphics as 2021.
@@sdb92but they kept all the weight
@@stevesmith756 I know, right? So, hard to believe SUZUKI has put their MX bikes R&D on the back burner. Letting DeCoster and Dungey go was the beginning of the end…😞
I haven’t seen one at the tracks here in So Cal in years. Nobody rides the fat pig
@@stevesmith756 Yeah, only Scrubdaddy! 🤣
E-start? same shit since 2018
no true mx fan cares about E-start
4 strokes suck
No they don’t
Damn they do look good though U gotta admit and IV owned one they handle great
How much u getting paid help sell suzukis😂😂😂
I absolutely love my Rmz450