777X COMPETITOR - The Airbus A350 1000
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- The Airbus A350-1000 was introduced to the aviation industry in the mid-2010s and is often pitted against the 777X series, but how does it stack up? What are its specifications, why is it an attractive airline option, and what is its long-term place within the industry?
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Airbus A350-1000 is the clear winner since it's here and performing great.
I think B777x not only will be the replecement for B7773ER but for those carriers retiring A380 and B747, the problem is, since Boeing is late about 5y now, some carriers already started to replace old planes for the A350 and they will not change back for the B777x, after Boeing's plane get in regular service.
Actually quite a few carriers have the 350 in their fleet with the 777-9 on order. BA,LH, EK, QR, SQ, CX, AI etc
@@johniii8147 or both in order (but they complete themselves, not compete)
The Airbus A350 XWB is one of my two favorite next-generation wide-body aircrafts (alongside the Airbus A330neo) because of its tail and belly cameras, which can be used during taxi, takeoff, approach, and landing, or when my window shade is closed.
Remember, the original A350-900 was intended to replace the 777-200ER, which it has done for several airlines. In fact, it appears British Airways may be contemplating a 25-plane A350-900 order to replace their now-aging 777-200ER fleet.
The A350-1000 was intended as an eventual 777-300ER replacement; airlines with large 777-300ER fleets such as Air France, Emirates and Singapore Airlines may start to replace their larger 777-300ER fleets with the A350-1000 starting from circa 2026 on.
They are as equally likely to go with the 787-10 HGW version at BA.
Best choice for BA some of their triple 7s are ancient, and the 350-1000 looks fantastic in the BA livery
B777x is more intended to replace your larger capacity like A380 or B747.
@@aviatorsound914 At best 747-400s. As for the larger 2, yes it can replace them but the capacity difference is more significant
@@johniii8147 That’s if Boeing ever gets around to it. 🙁
Thanks For Great INFO
I had flown this aircraft twice with Cathay Pacific, one to Seoul/ICN and one to Zurich.
777x is in a league of its own
in a size but not in a league of it's own.... a big difference. But it still has to prove it. Maybe 2025
Size-wise yes. Technologically it's one generation behind the A350 as it was conceived as a comparatively low-investment upgrade to the 777.
Yes, it looks like it was designed in the '60's.
@@MegaVector2011 I mean who knows probably was, I like it and in size it’s in a league of its own, and I will say before anyone else does the a350 is a way more beautiful plane
It is still on the substitute bench
It's not as extreme as the 747/A380 but it is still the same set of circumstances. The head start Boeing had on the large plane market was insurmountable for Airbus and is a major reason the A380 is considered a failure. As the 747 did before , the A350-1000 can own the segment before the 777-9 ever flies with passengers. Airbus got a little back.
Great Video DJ. I really enjoy the Airbus Videos you show and your Commentary . Thanks
There is a fair comparison between these 2 modern planes. I prefer the A350.
Looks: A350
Fuel efficiency: A350
Size: 777X
Speed: A350
Noise efficiency: A350
Seat density: 777X
Safety: A350
Technology: Both
Comfort: A350
Luxury: A350
Airline customers: A350
Better wings: A350
Ceiling Height: A350
Better Seats: A350
Cooler: A350
The A350 makes more sense and is much better, since it is more efficient for airlines and passengers.
Problem for the 350-1000 are its RR engines, which cannot handle heat and sand like the 777-x's GE engines. The result is very high time not flying for many 350-1000 routes. Hence recently Emirates were expected to place a huge order for 350-1000s, but they placed the order with Boing for 777-X. The 350-1000 is a niche aeroplane that is a long way from achieving what the A-380 did. Emirates probably would like the A-380 to be still in production, it suited their business model.
Let's see where Emirates goes, at upcoming Airshow!
Looking to add more 777's or A350-1's..
Will definitely be something both manufacturers vying for..
at the November Dubai Airshow, Emirates will reveal its A350-1000 with a new cabin and new tech,...watch out for that.
Emirates have been reducing their 777x order. From 150 to 135 to now 115. I don't think they can go lower, as this is the only plane that can sort of replace the A380s capacity. It's no where near but it's more than the A35K. But who knows if it gets delayed again.
@@AnishAbrahamthey converted part of the 777X order into 787s and the rest changed into options leaving 115 firm orders.
They could easily convert their 30 787 order back into 777Xs and reactivate their options. They have atleast 50 more purchase rights for the 777X
@@mmm0404 yes sure, but they could just as easily cancel more 777x orders and buy the A35K like they originally wanted to 🤷🏽♂️
@@AnishAbraham well yes they could , if they are interested in losing more even capacity to go for the smaller a350-1000.
FYI the original order only had 20 a350-1000s . The 777-9 offers more cargo and passengers capacity to replace the a380.
Tim Clark said they will order more 777-9s at the Dubai airshow to eventually replace the a380 fleet
I hope they aren't wasting too much time and material on the A350-1000 as customers are looking forward to the production start of the A600 Airtrain. It is a brilliant innovative concept of several components of passenger and cargo aircraft, taking off separately, forming one long structure in the air with 1 or 2 of the cargo aircraft being fuel containers, enabling non-stop operations to every destination on this planet. Like a railway train, the passenger aircraft sections can separate and reach specific airports, while another aircraft can join, forming the Airtrain again. The same does apply to the cargo airplanes acting as fuel cells.
Airbus is not too open about these A600 models. Patience, please. They just want to be sure that it will work.
They are both wide body planes and very popular under customers/airlines
Beast of a plane. A340-600 still my favourite.
I think the A350 is technically a better replacement for the current 777’s, considering the -200’s. The A350-900 and 777-200 are nearly identical in size, the -900 able to replace the 200 and 200ER’s routes. The 777-8 the same size as the -300’s and the -9 larger, Boeing does not have the ideal -200 replacement.
The 787-10HGW now on offer is also a prefect replacement. Matches the capacity and and range of the their current 200ERs.
the 350 beats the 777x anytime, particularly when it comes to technological state of the art considerations... the 777x, which has a conventional fuselage, tries to take some advantage from greater capacity, but it cannot compare with the 350's efficiency, range, noise reduction and environmental advantages...
This guy🤣
What 777x.? Until Boeing delivers impossible to compare.
@neilsunn not really. It is a re-engine and wing of an existing fuselage. The a350 was a clean sheet design.
@@neilsunn u think it wont be delivered?
LOL how is the a350 way more better than 777x in terms of efficiency, range and noise reduction and environmental advantages? The 777x has all that that the a350 has!
I agree, both manufacturers need each other. The same with Samsung and crapple.
Crapple? bruh they make the best tech
@@dodgykiwi1235 😂😂😂No! Screens from Samsung and Cameras from Sony
if i were to choose??? i'll go for 777x, because of the technology perhaps, even its not yet on the market,
777x isn't flying commercially yet, so the A350-1000 isn't the competitor of the 777x; the 777x will be the competitor of the A350-1000.
Not really, they are pitched at different segments. The 777X-8, if and when it enters service, would be a potential competitor, but the 777X-9 is a bigger and heavier airplane.
Keep up the good work.
i think the A350-1000 will be a great success compared to 777x, two reasons: clean sheet design of state of the art, and perfect size make it a perfect replacement for 777-300er. Despite the dalay of 777x, 777x has a big problem, it is too big and aiming to replace 380 and 747, but big Jombos are not trent any more.
777X not done with certification! A350-1000 best in class could even be better with NEO sooner than later.
There won't be a neo until well into the 2030s and Airbus has said as much.
Doesn't mater if certification is done or not. It will blow your mind when it does in late next year
@johniii8147 Airbus HAVE NOT said as much. Airbus Filton working on possible design changes to wing to accommodate larger RR engine right now in 2023. My guess is it will roll out on the A350F first.
I think Delta will put a order on the A350-1000 eventually.
That has been speculated for well over a year now and has yet to happen.
Dry nice report!
The 77X is a more advanced plane with many features desired by the airlines. They are rightly excited about it. But some need something now and the 777X isn't available yet so they are buying the A350 1000. The 777X will do well when it finally gets certified. The 777X is the only thing that can really fill the gap of the A380 or the 747 in capacity.
From what point of view the 777X is more advanced? With the fuselage of the 80's?
The airbus A350-1000 is a good airplane too but I think the Boeing 777-9 should be used on longer routes up to 23 hours in length
777-9 can't even fly those routes bro
Very well done. You didn't mention the real possibility of an A350 NEO version.
Airbus has already said that won't happen before the 2030s
Boeing can stretch the 787 to the same length as the a350-1000 if they need to ...the 787-10 is already slightly larger than the a350-900. Such a varient could eventually replace the 777X family down the line and compete directly with the a350neo somewhere in the 2030s-2040s
777x 787 737 a220 a350 a380 that will be both companys fleet .
Interesting spin on the conversation. DJ is arguing that the 777-X has a tough road ahead because it's 10 years behind the A350, which is a clean sheet desigh, and because airlines who have relatively new 777s won't need the aircraft.
It all sounds good until all the holes are poked into that theory. By the way, people have made the same argument to try and explain why the A330neo isn't moving so many units, but here are the holes:
1. When compared to the A350-1000, the 777-9 has more than two times more orders, despite it being based on an older design. Go figure.
2. Many of the 777-9 orders ARE from airlines who are already operators of a pretty sizeable 777 fleet, chief of all being Emirates.
3. When you compare the clean sheet widebody aircraft from Boeing and those from Airbus, Boeing has twice as many of them in service, and also twice as many on order. Why wasn't that mentioned in this video? Because it was an attempt to highlight just what an awesome aircraft the A350-1000 is, which is actually true because I'm fortunate to have flown on the aircraft.
The reason why the 777-9 is doing so well is size, not range. The Boeing jumbo can carry more passengers and cargo, and can connect just about any destination from the hubs of airlines that still use the hub and spoke system, such as Emirates, Qatar Airways and Singapore Airlines. Project Sunrise is a niche service in a small market, so it's not going to appeal to hardly any other airlines connecting passengers to Australia.
Airbus has tried so often to sell aircraft based on range, and this hasn't really been a successful strategy. Delta is unlikely to order the A350-1000, and notice that there hasn't been a huge order for the 777-9 in North America either, because airlines here operate more point to point than hub and spoke, so they don't really need that huge capacity. North American airlines make money by packing aircraft full as much as they can and they also don't offer customers luxury frills such as first class, a bar or shower in the sky, etc so they simply don't need all that space.
The A350-1000 will do alright, but it will never match the passenger and cargo capacity of the 777-9, so it's not going to threaten that sector unless Airbus stretches it further.
I agree with moth of what you said other than NA carriers are operating more point to point. That's actually not true. They are VERY focused on their hubs. The differarnce is as large the US is they have a lot of hubs. All the big 3 have 6 to 7 hubs each to flow traffic over. They don't have one massive hub that requires a huge airplane (ie EK or SQ).
@@johniii8147 You're correct, but the NA hub and spoke system largely involves ferrying passengers from small cities on domestic flights to one of those hubs, using mostly narrowbody/regional jets. Their international flights are all point to point from those multiple hubs. Because they use multiple hubs, they don't need 400-seat aircraft from any one location. Instead, they can operate a more efficient aircraft from multiple cites and maximize profit while moving multiple times the number of passengers.
The hub and spoke system in the middle east and Singapore involves ferrying passengers to single hubs on widebody aircraft, and getting them to other destinations on mostly other widebody aircraft, so they're more reliant on high capacity aircraft.
@@sainnt That's what I said.
Yes the 777-9 has more orders than the a350-1000 but remember this best competes with the 777-8 which is also not that popular, plus remember most of these orders aren't that new and mainly came from when this was announced in 2013, where the a350 wasn't considered by many. The 777-9 is a bigger and heavier plane, and I think airlines won't necessarily choose it over the a350 but they'll instead have both in their fleets. Most current customers like BA, Cathay, Etihad, Emirates, Qatar, Air India etc already operate the a350 or have it on order and they can still expand these fleets and still acquire the 777-9. Point is Airbus may not even have to compete with it if their existing a350s still get as much attention as it is having right now or if it's increased. The only way they'd think of competing is if the 777-9 eats into the a350's market significantly or if more airlines demand for it other than just the few to none who want a stretch. For now both have their corners for sales
@@Tpr_1808 This video was specifically comparing the A350-1000 to the 777-9 because it's the largest aircraft both planemakers have on offer respectively.
You basically validated my argument when you mentioned why the 777-8 isn't doing so well, which is actually twofold, but mainly because its most appealing feature is its range. Not only does the A350-1000 have a better range, but it carries about the same number of passengers and is a lighter aircraft.
The reason why the 777-9 will succeed is precisely because it can carry more passengers and cargo than the A350-1000.
In terms of most of the 777-9 orders being placed before the A350-1000, I can also argue that the A350-1000 has been around since 2018, and most of the orders are recent, not because it's gaining popularity, but moreso because the 777-9 is many years past its original date to begin service. Some airlines need that additional capacity now, so they have to get what's available. Same reason why the A321 is starting to see more orders lately than the A320. Had Boeing built the NMA, that wouldn't have happened either. Airbus is basically feeding off all of Boeing's missteps, and no one blames them for that.
b777x power
Have AB solved their de-lamination problems that affected Qatar`s aircraft? This seemed the only real area of concern for the A350 which really wasn`t a safety issue anyway. With that problem dealt with can we see any movement in AB investing money into the RR UltraFan engine develoment? This would future proof this aircraft for many years to come if it could be offered with an engine that could easily offer double-digit fuel savings over the current T-XWB. This course may also lead to investment into a `stretch` version of the -1000 which could only help in it`s competition with B777X. If GE9X is as good as some suggest it may be that as it stands A350 advantage may not be enough to persuade die-hard Boeing customers to change to A350. All this investment ultimately comes down the expected growth in air-travel & whether it will actually materialise with all the unrest in the world at the moment. It may be sensible to just wait & see rather than make what could be very risky investments, perhaps this is all we can look forward to for a while?!
It is all deck chairs on the Titanic. Net zero will have a huge impact on air travel as alternatives to jet fuel will be more expensive or less efficient, which will impact air fares. For the first time since World War II there are no all new Western airliners under development. The only major project still in development is the 777X, a derivative of a 30 year old aircraft. An all new airliner launched now would likely not enter service until 2035. With moves to ban short haul air travel likely to extend to all areas served by high speed trains before then, the market for an A320 replacement shrinks. Will enough people be able to afford an intercontinental flight to justify an A350/777X replacement?
350-1100😎
If only 1 sentence made coherent sense. Please put your script through some kind of app
I am skeptical about the 777X in that Boeing is trying to match Airbus in efficiency metrics by cramming more passengers in it. Boeing went with traditional alloys on the 777X fuselage when it could have used the Lithium Aluminum alloys (like what the CS/220 series use) to build it. Boeing is trying to have 787 features with 777 materials on the fuselage which might lead to long term structural issues. I’m not sure how you can pressurize the aircraft at the same altitude as a 787 and have the same size windows and expect it not to wear out quicker. Sure it’s doable but there could be bigger issues down the road.
Pls dont say first
Philippines Airlines A350-1000 flight from Manila to New York!✈️
By the time the Boeing 777X comes into regular airline service around 2025. The Airbus A350-1000 could well have an A351 NEO variant in the pipeline. The RR Ultrafan engine will ensure the A350 maintains it's lead over Boeing.
It won't. Airbus has said itself any NEO variant won't happen before the 2030s. Ultrafan development has also been put on the back burner.
@@johniii8147Why do you keep repeating this "back burner" thing about the Ultrafan? Makes me realise just how much shite you talk. RR have 5 yes FIVE separate iterations of the engine in various build stages. One of which is aimed at the XWB97 segment. You can carry on putting your fingers in your ears all you like but it's happening. They finish ground testing the largest iteration and it delivers 12-14% efficiency over current GE9X. They are not going to simply put that away in a corner and forget about it.
@@nathd1748 Very recently a senior executive at Airbus was said a 350 NEO would be in the 2030s. RR has also said they waiting on new airframe for the Ulta fan to go full speed. This is all easily looked up.
Everyone seems to forget about the 787 , if Boeing slaps a new engine and wing on the 787-10 it automatically kills off the a350-900 leaving the a350-1000 as the only competitive aircraft in the line up.
Mind you , it is the a350-900 which is the best selling varient of the a350 family not the a350-1000. So Boeing still wins in the Widebody segment whether there is an a350neo or not. 😅😂
@ms0404 but you are forgetting that RR are already building the next iteration of engine to NEO the A350.
I suspect the 777x will end up replacing old 777s when they get old.
Unless the 777x can provide better efficiency and versatility, growing companies will probably expand with the A350 instead unless they're Boeing only operators.-
Different size category the are looking at
@@johniii8147 I still don’t know if Boeing is going to make the -10 which would be in a different size category.
The -9 is a bit bigger than the A350 1000, but the difference is not big, that’s why the figures in capacity, cargo, people are also expected to be close. The aircraft is not yet in service so we have to wait for the exact figures. But we might expect 10% more cargo space for the 777-9 and a few more seat capacity as well. The -9x expected range is not the same of the A350, but I suspect the difference again will not be big enough to make a difference.
So, efficiency and fleet standardization are going to be the deciding factor, not size.
And If we look at sales figures we find a preference on the A350-900, not the bigger -1000. So I doubt Boeing finds many customers for a -10x variant.
It’s likely all of the retired 777’s will become freighters just like we’ve seen 747’s and 727’s.
@@thickboi7570 Nope, some, but not all. There is no conversion program for the 777-200/200ER/300. There is only a conversion program for the 300ER/200LR . Even of the latter 2, only some will be converted. Maybe 100 of the 800+ that were produced.
There is only a problem with this entire video...by definition its impossible for the a350-1000 to compete with something that is not in service yet....
Also, and if Boeing doesn't add any unknown surprise (cue to avoid flying on the 777x frames for a bit), Boeing is entering the market with a design aimed at gaining market share against a range of frames that have been flying for years.....
too many cuts, was really hard to watch
350 1000 IS SUPERIOR TOO 777 X. New design new improvements have made it even better. ENGINE ISSUES IS MAIN PROB; SO RR Need make a ultra fan for a350 1000 with 100k thrust and better maintenance issues. RR HAS ULTRA FAN WHICH IS READY SO IT CAN BRING IT IN. ROLLS WANTS SELL MOR EOF TRENT XWB BEFORE THEY BUILD ULTRA FAN. 2028 UKTRA FAN FOR A350 1000 NEO, IS COMING. 777X IS OLD DESIGN LIKE A330 NEO. So 77x is not for 99 %% of clients.
The latest Boeing offering needs to be better than the current versions of the B777, which simply no longer measures up,compared with the Airbus offerings. Having flow the 777 for the last 20/15 years ( under protest) I long to continue flying on the A 380 and A 350. With a direct connection to LHR, Paris, NY and Frankfort, our beleaguered Qantas will renew its lost close relationship with Aussies once they experience the A 350-1000
My question is can Boeing deliver? Big problem.
Why would Boeing not deliver? Not a problem if they cant due to political delays
777 is good airplane.. but Boeing disregard of safety og passenger comfort make it non-starter in comparison. A350 would beat 777x without any competition, from passenger point of view.. 777 300ER feel very dated compare to A350 and A380 for long haul flight.
How does Boeing disregard of safety of passenger comfort?
@@nickolliver3021I think he’s referring to the MCAS on the 737 MAX scandal a few years ago which killed a few hundred.
Why would Air India want the 777x.,,,,,,,,,, when the A350 1000 ,is a more efficient type in all aspects
The CEO seems to have a bais towards Boeing;;; does the board has anything to say
That's nonsense. They actually ordered more Airbus planes than Boeing.
The 777x is a better more efficient type just as the a350 is. whats the fuss about
Because the 777-9 and a350-1000 are not in the same class. , the former is larger. The 777-9 should be able to fit more premium seats than the a350-1000
And……..Delta continues to SLEEP………..unbelievable
It's the old saying come true once again: Boeing builds planes in Seattle, Airbus (in) Toloose 😊
Nope, Airbus need more than only one hub because of their number of WINNING orders :-)
Toulouse, France - A320neo, A330 family, A350
Hamburg Finkenwerder, Germany - A318, A319, A320 and A321neo families
Seville, Spain - A400 military transport
Mobile, AL, USA - A220, A319, A320 and A321neo families
Tianjin, China - A319 and A320neo families
Montreal Mirabel, Canada - A220
Broughton, UK - Wings for various aircraft types
Will you please stop going on and on about the bloody 777x! It isn’t certified, it’s based on the original 777 which means heavy and technologically speaking it’s still in the dark ages.
Hardly.
You guys are doing sloppy job
777 > A350 any day
Not a 777X 8 or 9 competitor. It is a B 787-10 competitor. Just range doesn't matter. Not even 5 % flights are Ultra Long Haul. For across the pond hops and into Asia from the US B777X is far superior and seats more. And most will be 2 Class only or 3 with premium economy. B777X will win always. And wait for the upgraded B 787. The economy figures will be stunning.
dreamer on the dreamliner!
Recycled topic....