@@finlayclarke2685 The UK is addicted to paying 10x the market rate for infrastructure projects. £178 million Silvertown tunnel is costing us £2.2 Billion.
nah i would way prefer london with 6 airports than 1 large one, so I can pick which airport to fly from each time depending on whether its a short trip to Europe or long haul one. It also introduces tiered pricing between airports so I can get a cheaper ticket simply by flying from another airport. Not to mention different loung amenities, comfort levels and travelling durations.
pleased to see Croydon Airport mentioned my mum and dad used to visit this before the war on the bus, it was the main airport for London pre-war. it got hemmed in by houses so it could not expand. Photos of a prime minister waving a piece of paper
@@ianprince1698 Gatwick had an aerodrome next to the racecourse and was the first airport linked to a train station as well (the old train station no longer exists around 200 yards South from the current station). The present airport was built in the 1950s on the old racecourse site. The beehive which still stands in the airport grounds was the original terminal in the 1930s. This land now has offices on it and is called city place. The old racecourse also held the grand national 3 times during the inter war years too. But you are right the racecourse was there first.
Because other Cities in Asia only built airport only after the rise of Civil Aviation. Their strategy is more airlines hub oriented where you concentrate as much traffic to one hub as possible where the flag carrier is located. If they wanted to build a new airport typically they abandoned the old one and repurpose the land for urban development.
That’s why they have beautiful modern airports. Most of the big cities in Asia flagship airports are all newly built in the last 10 or 20 years. In Europe and the US these cities have decades old infrastructure which hampers growth and development coupled with lack of political will and environmental concerns.
@@JeanClaudeCOCO But don't forget Asia got more favorable condition for airport expansion as construction labour cost is cheaper(That's whyn nike, foxconn sweatshop locate most in Asia) plus the demand growth has been higher in Asia as flying being much more affordable for developing countries(look at AirAsia) where Beijing Capital Airport traffic goes from 21M in 2000 to 100M in 2019, while in the mean time LAX only goes from 67M to 88M
Hey, as a Londoner, just thought I'd make some nerdy corrections 1. It's a really weird one, but Greater London (the boundary shown) is not technically a city, it's a county. 2. A lot of the traffic coming through London Airports doesn't actually use London at all. A lot of people travelling through London Airports are making connections to other flights 3. The main reason (as mentioned by someone else in the comments) that London airports are called London Airports is because of branding and advertising. Calling them London Airports makes them sound close to London, and therefore might encourage foreign travellers to travel to those airports. There's many other examples of these, that aren't included on the list (such as London Oxford and London Ashford) 4. This isn't said specifically in the video, but it is implied. Heathrow wasn't meant to be built around residential areas. Heathrow got there first, then residential areas were built around it. 5. 7:33 The Millenium Bridge and Tate Modern are not close to City Airport
@@ahsenkhan5386how is that weird, Gatwick is so far outside of London that a tube would be so ridiculously expensive, and would likely only service that stop. All that while there is already a train from Victoria and Blackfriars that only takes 40 minutes and costs a tenner.
I guess it’s what you determine to be close. The millennium bridge and Tate modern are walking distance from Bank DLR which can be reached from city airport pretty quickly
@@markygee194 Yes good point, but it was implied that this was walking distance, next door close. I would think if you include stock footage, it should be related to the thing you're talking about
@@HarveyC119 yeah I agree with this, a tube is very unnecessary, there's already Southern, Thameslink and the Gatwick express. focus on areas like Bromley first lol
It would have been worth it to mention the airports are also due to very high demand - London until only recently usurped as the worlds most popular tourist destination, and 170 million air passengers pa (180m before pandemic). The runways are some of the most used at absolute capacity -Gatwick recently usurped as the world's busiest single runway by Delhi, and a famous insta-shot of several planes lining up to land on clear days.
Some major inaccuracies. London HAD more than one International Airport and some domestic airports before Healthrow and the war. The main airport was London Croydon, with Heston also serving many international flights, and domstic routes on gatwick, hounslow, and others. Originally in the Heathrow area, there was a small aerodrome (great west aerodrome) built in 1929 for the Fairey Aviation Company. Whilst the Government started developing the area in 1944 for an airport for long distance military aircraft, however, by the time any construction was complete the war was over and development continued as a civil airport. Comtemporary discussions suggest that the minister in charge always intended it to be a civil airport anyway, but used the military aspect initially to get the funding and go ahead. After heathrow opened, Croydon, Heston, hounslow and others closed. Gatwick later expanded to become what ti is now, though the original "beehive" terminal still exists as a commercial property south of the runways.
In reality, London only has one true airport. London City, which is in london E16 South East England is a continuous area cowering numerous counties. The combined population is probably the highest population for any continuous area in the western world. The city of London covers one square mile. What we then call greater London is part of, but not all of the county of Middlesex. Inner greater London has numbered geographical post codes, for example SW19. Outer areas have middlesex postcodes, Some of the outer areas are partly in other counties', such as Surrey. Heathrow is in the Borough of Hillingdon, Which is in the county or Middlesex. It is right on the edge of this area and bordering Berkshire. As for the other airports :- Gatwick is in West Sussex. Stanstead is in Essex. Luton is in Bedfordshire. Oxford is in Oxfordshire. Southend is also in Essex.
Beijing's new Daxing airport, which will eventually become the world's busiest, was built at a cost of £9 billion. To put that into perspective, building a third runway at Heathrow is projected to cost £14 billion (the cost projection was as of 2019 and work has not begun yet)
But then, the government of China didn't have to deal with the *GIGANTIC* expense of land acquisition to build Beijing Daxing Airport, given how the Chinese government works. That was the same advantage Istanbul Airport (which opened in 2018) and Seoul Incheon (which opened in 2001) had, because they were built relatively well away from built-up areas.
Interesting and thank you for answering a question I had about all the London airports. I had it in my head that the reason was that London was a hub of all traffic destined to North America. Originally, I am from the Los Angeles basin in California. What is LAX, the international funnel to traffic bound for the west coast but also Asia. The airport location was the US defense of the Pacific Theater during the war. But a lot of housing in Los Angeles had/was creeping closer to the coast, and what was coming into Long Beach harbor (very close to the new LAX) was commercial shipping that was booming after the war also. The Los Angeles basin sported an Air Force airport that was winding down after the Vietnam war, large enough to be about the same size area that LAX takes. It was in the center of Orange county, about 40 miles (64km) south of LAX. A perfect location. That is until Orange County leadership looked at what a mess LAX had made of everything, and that same mess looked like what the OC location of an international airport might turn into if plans went forward. Air traffic would be going over some of the most desirable, scenic and some of the most popular beaches in the world. Orange County put up the Mother of All NIMBY campaigns (Not In My Back Yard). We could argue that Money Talks, which whether we like it or not, in a capitalist society, it does. Fancy shops, multi-million dollar homes and restaurants that makes your eyes bleed when you see the price of a hamburger--it makes my socialist heart burst into flames to defend people that should be denuded of their millions, but, gosh, even rich people have rights. Ontario International--I believe the last piece of big government property available in the Los Angeles basin, though I think it is closer to Las Vegas, Nevada than LA, lol. If you have ever watch TV movies and TV shows from the 1960-1980s involving someone coming in/leaving an anonymous-looking third world country airport, Ontario would be the location it would be shot at. They have it blueprinted to allow for future expansion, to hopefully relieve problems before they happen. BrightLine is constructing a high-speed rail between Lost Wages and LA. All of this might relieve some of the horrendous traffic between LA and Las Vegas. Driving that little patch of road was one of the last things I did before I fled LA. 225 miles (361km) through unending bland suburbs, then through part of the Mojave desert to Sin City. That's 225 miles, 361 kilometers of stop and go driving. Children are born on interstate 15! For all I know the McDonald's, off the next exit~! might even have a baptismal font. Great show with a lot of information I have heard first, here! Thank you for your efforts!
Thank you! What is interesting is the airports no longer in use. As some have mentioned Croydon. As well as all the private airfields around the London area that super wealthy people use...I guess one solution to increased air travel is not more airports but planes that carry more people. This does not just mean larger planes.. Budget airline Ryan Air even suggested people stand and hold dongles like on a bus with zero seatings for the short flights eg one hour journeys that London has available to so many cities in Europe.
The backdrop to all this is also the fact London pays the price of being first. Its underground is inferior to Hong Kong's or New York's because they learnt from London. Just as Canon / Nikon learnt from Leica and short-circuited development and saved a lot of time and money. By the time a 3rd runway is completed at Heathrow, it will already be oversubscribed. The only real solution would have been a completely new airport with 8 runways, like Atlanta!
Not to mention so-called London Oxford Airport (a 'mere' 60 miles from London), Northolt, Farnborough, Lydd (aka London Ashford Airport), Manston, Biggin Hill .....😀
London could take the Osaka Kansai or the Seoul Incheon route and make an artificial island and build a mega hub in it, although it probably is gonna be expensive.
TLDR: Bad planning, kinda. The fact that London got into the game of aviation very early on, when it was the 3rd biggest city in the world, meant that there wasn't a lot of land around, even back then. Also, as mentioned, nobody knew how big flying would become or more importantly, how big planes and airports would become (people thought that air travel would be much more point-to-point than it ended up being). By the time the government realised the way things were going, the greenbelt had been established and there were many settlements around London that had been there for 1000s of years, with a lot of history to preserve. Also, while London itself is relatively flat, a lot of the land around London that isn't currently built on is quite undulating, and would require a lot of earthworks to flatten a big area out for building an airport. The only land that IS flat, is in the east (Thames estuary), and that is the worst location for accessing the rest of the country on land, because anyone who wants to travel on to other cities would have to travel around London to get there, or they'd have to build a massive tunnel under the Thames. Boris Johnson was campaigning to build a new airport over there at a location called Cliffe, but it was deemed unworkable for many reasons. Finally there's the aspect of climate change and how really we should be building more high speed rail for short to medium length journeys and making better use of things like the Channel Tunnel to get to Europe, rather than adding more flights.
Tokyo has three commercial airports: Narita, Haneda and Chofu. Chofu airport mainly serves domestic fights to Japan's many small outlying islands, such as Hachijo.
Yeah - it's actually because of Marketing. Only "City" is actually in London City (hence the name). Heathrow is JUST on the outskirts of Greater London (a massive suburban area surrounding London city), Gatwick is actually in Surrey, Stanstead in Essex, Luton in Bedfordshire and Southend also in Essex. It just sounds better to travellers - "London Gatwick" than "Gatwick" - which they may or may not know is a nearby town. Gatwick to the south and Stanstead to the North are around 55 miles apart on a map. There's talk of further airports being upgraded to become "London" Airports - including one in Oxford that is now called "London Oxford" (formerly Kidlington. Formerly RAF Kidlington). The South of England is infested with small villages, towns and things and finding space suitable to build a new airport that isn't either already someone's home, a marginal constituency, a hill, a bog, a major transport route, a national monument, a site of specific scientific interest or just plain too expensive to buy is pretty hard. We did have quite a few in the 1990s (former RAF/USAF bases) but they were often closed and turned into housing or industrial estates and the remaining ones are really needed for military purposes. So we're not building any more in the foreseeable future.
I wouldn't be surprised that London will assign Heathrow for long-distance international flights only and Gatwick for shorter distance international flights. Gatwick could get a major upgrade to the Gatwick Express train so it could handle the increased traffic for the shorter distance international flights. London is also very fortunate for the opening of the Channel Tunnel, which makes it possible for long-distance high-speed trains from continental Europe to service London itself. We could get a lot more high-speed rail service through the Channel Tunnel, though that may require some rebuilding of London St. Pancras Station to accommodate the increased international high-speed rail traffic.
0:30 istanbul has 2 airports, istanbul and sabiha gokcen, but sabiha gokcen mostly serves domestic or budget airlines, meanwhile istanbul servers the most flights
Toronto has 3 airports: - Toronto Pearson International (7 runways, 8th one being added very soon) - Billy Bishop (Downtown Toronto) 2 runways - Hamilton International (3 runways)
But I do think the uk had done some methods that other countries didn’t do is that they have built airports in other parts of the country and so people that may not live near the center of the city center can travel less time to their nearest airport for their start of the trip
I'm not 100% that anybody would have foreseen the levels of increase in air travel. 1940's and 1950's air travel was limited to the top tier of society and London has been grown a lot since then. This is like saying that London, in 1600's, should have foreseen the need for indoor plumbing and sewerage to be at 21st Century levels of sophistication.
Manchester UK only has one airport for both short distance flights to other European countries and to other parts of the UK like Belfast in Northern Ireland which you can't drive to from Manchester because there's a literal ocean in the way with no bridge or tunnel connecting the two islands together, you kinda gotta fly or sail there in order to be able to get there in the first place. It also has long-distance flights as far LA to the West and Japan to the East. Maybe Manchester isn't an important city and that's why it doesn't have more than one airport, I don't know, I always assumed it was in the top 5 most important cities in England, but maybe the USA and Canada are the only countries that have more than 1 "important city". People actually fly from London Airport or Southend Airport rather than Luton, Gatwick, Stansted, or Heathrow? That must be an experience, I doubt hardly anyone has flown from either of those two airports. I haven't heard anyone flying from either those 2 airports, I don't even know where they fly to or from.
6:09 Houston has 8 total runways between both airports. You only highlighted 2 at Hobby Int'l Airport. Hobby technically had 4 but now 3 one is out of service. You left out runway 30R/12L
@@friskytwox Who said anything about "deep"? lol You can't really tell how people feel when they type of comment. It's just that, a comment. "It's not that deep".
Calling London Heathrow a small airport... The first time I landed there I asked my brother, what's the difference to the Vienna International Airport. After 20 minutes driving a long side the airport with the taxi to pick up other language students from another terminal I understood what the difference is.
You have not mentioned London Biggin Hill which hosts scheduled flights to and from European destinations. There are also London Oxford, London Ashford and, although only labelled a "London" airport for a short period of time, London Manston. London Oxford is 60 miles from Marble Arch by road, and London Ashford and Manston are 76 miles from Marble Arch by road - not remotely close to London. London Ashford is in Lydd, on the edge of Romney Marsh. It seems that advertising standards don't apply when naming airports
Yea I was gonna say that because I was just looking up a couple of these and some of them don’t make sense like FRD. FRD is in Washington but TED is NOT a real airport at all.
London does not have 6 airports. Luton, standsted and southend serve East anglia and are mainly holiday makers. The only airports really serving london are city and heathrow
@@jwil4286 IAD is the international hub more like EWR or JFK, and hub for United airlines, basically all domestic traffic goes to DCA, it gets the same number of passengers annually as IAD
Sorry to disappoint you, but in the 70s East Midlands was seriously considered as a 4th London Airport, before LCY was even thought about and Ryanair and easyJet pushed Stanstead and Luton, not to mention Southend, next it'll be Manston...😊actually Ashford and Lydd have claimed to be London
London 2,2,1,1,1,1/Houston 5+3/Chicago 8+4/Paris 3+4/NY 4+2+3 (Newark), Berlin 2+2/Madrid 4. The United Kingdom, like Argentina, concentrates the majority of the population in its capitals and surrounding areas. Just like the vast majority of football clubs. And the demand for flights reflects this reality. Building an airport like Barajas or Charles de Gaulle (4 runways) is very expensive. It is not possible to compare it with the USA, where, once again, military strategic vision comes into play in the profusion of runways.
Paris have 4 commercial airport not 2 there are : Charles de gaule / orly / (low cost ) beauvais like luton and stansted . And it also own like london a last airport : Paris le bourget ( there is a very popular airshow here ) this airport is like london city with only bussiness jets and sometimes airliner but it's very rare
Err correction... London only has 2 Airports. City Airport (quite small) and Heathrow. Gatwick, Stanstead, Southend and Luton Airport are NOT in London. They only put London before the actual location so people have a rough idea of where it is. Ask anyone, who doesnt really know the UK where Luton, Gatwick, Stanstead and Southend are in the UK and watch them stutter, but because they've put London in front of where it actually is, they'll have a rough idea of where the airport is. Also, there are train lines that go directly to these airports from London, but that still doesnt change the fact that they're not in London
He never said they were all within the city limits, but that's kind of being ticky tack. I mean there is something called a metropolitan area so the London area does have six airports and they certainly are there to serve the region including people who are going into the city limits of London.
@@westwoodwizard its still only 2 because the other 4 are in different areas. Luton being in Luton, Stanstead being in Essex, Gatwick being in Sussex and Southend being in Southend. Might be classed as London but its not
That argument falls flat, when you realise alot of airports, aren't in the city they serve. Schipol serves Amsterdam, but is in a different municipality, in Haarlemmermeer. Neither Paris CDG or Orly are in Paris. Berlin Brandenburg airport is in the state of Brandenburg. Vienna Schwechat is the main airport for both Vienna and Bratislava, it's in the Austrian city of Schwechat, and 50km from Slovakia even with their own smaller airport Regardless they all serve the city they are named for and have direct and simple rail transport into the city
Why don’t they build underground high speed Maglev trains 🚆 to connect all 6 airports that can travel 600km per hour. That way passengers can fly say to South End Airport and take a Maglev train to London Heathrow which will take maybe 10 minutes with a high speed Maglev. Then they can board the next flight in Heathrow airport. Maybe the solution is to not expand these airports but connect all these airports as one with Maglev Trains because Maglev are the fastest trains available. These Maglev Trains can all make a stop in the city center so that way passengers that are connecting can get to the right airport in 10 minutes but passengers traveling to London they can get off at the Maglev Train Stop in the city center. So with Maglev trains just for the airports it won’t make much difference which airport a passenger flies to.
Wrong. He says there has never been enough demand in other cities around the world to go beyond two or three airports Max. What is he talking about. Has he heard of Los Angeles? The metropolitan area has five airports and no they're not all within the city of Los Angeles but then neither are the London area airports. LAX, Burbank, Long Beach, Ontario, and Orange County. All five airports serve the region and have been around for many years.
Manston's runway was also incredibly wide - landed there in a light aircraft some years ago (before it closed, obviously) and as it has a slight camber you couldn't see the edge while taxying along the centreline! I understand it was built wide enough to allow glider-tug operations in WWII, I think allowing three tugs and six gliders across the width (subject to correction on this!)
@peteking8063 Still, in terms of aircraft movement O Hare handles probably as many as all those airports combined. It certainly has many more movements than Heathrow.
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The war. Saved you 10 minutes. They used to be airfields
Not all heroes wear capes ^^
Thank you for saving time 😅
To be fair that doesn't really explain why they need 6 while others need 2. Keyword is 6 small airport
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I'm sure when HS2 is done, we will see London Birmingham Airport
Even if it still terminated at Old Oak Common?
HS2 is on the verge on being cancelled.
@@davidwebb4904 it better be, that amount of money needs to go to upgrading existing infrastructure
@@finlayclarke2685 The UK is addicted to paying 10x the market rate for infrastructure projects. £178 million Silvertown tunnel is costing us £2.2 Billion.
And London Manchester, and London Leeds Airports.
nah i would way prefer london with 6 airports than 1 large one, so I can pick which airport to fly from each time depending on whether its a short trip to Europe or long haul one. It also introduces tiered pricing between airports so I can get a cheaper ticket simply by flying from another airport. Not to mention different loung amenities, comfort levels and travelling durations.
Gatwick was an international airport before the war it was a subsidiary airport for the original Croydon Airport which Heathrow replaced.
pleased to see Croydon Airport mentioned my mum and dad used to visit this before the war on the bus, it was the main airport for London pre-war. it got hemmed in by houses so it could not expand. Photos of a prime minister waving a piece of paper
Gatwick was a racecourse previously
@@ianprince1698 Gatwick had an aerodrome next to the racecourse and was the first airport linked to a train station as well (the old train station no longer exists around 200 yards South from the current station). The present airport was built in the 1950s on the old racecourse site. The beehive which still stands in the airport grounds was the original terminal in the 1930s. This land now has offices on it and is called city place. The old racecourse also held the grand national 3 times during the inter war years too. But you are right the racecourse was there first.
30 seconds of information packed into a 10 minute time robber.
major innacuracies as I have pointed out.
take a shot every time he says airport
Bro needs to pay them bills
why doesn't London have 7 airports?
Yesss
Well RAF Northolt would count but it’s only private jets so idk
Why doesn't London have 8 airports?
It has London Oxford airport
@@Shirou_Atsuya_Fubukiit has The London Biggin Hill Airport
Because other Cities in Asia only built airport only after the rise of Civil Aviation. Their strategy is more airlines hub oriented where you concentrate as much traffic to one hub as possible where the flag carrier is located. If they wanted to build a new airport typically they abandoned the old one and repurpose the land for urban development.
That’s why they have beautiful modern airports. Most of the big cities in Asia flagship airports are all newly built in the last 10 or 20 years. In Europe and the US these cities have decades old infrastructure which hampers growth and development coupled with lack of political will and environmental concerns.
@@JeanClaudeCOCO But don't forget Asia got more favorable condition for airport expansion as construction labour cost is cheaper(That's whyn nike, foxconn sweatshop locate most in Asia) plus the demand growth has been higher in Asia as flying being much more affordable for developing countries(look at AirAsia) where Beijing Capital Airport traffic goes from 21M in 2000 to 100M in 2019, while in the mean time LAX only goes from 67M to 88M
Hey, as a Londoner, just thought I'd make some nerdy corrections
1. It's a really weird one, but Greater London (the boundary shown) is not technically a city, it's a county.
2. A lot of the traffic coming through London Airports doesn't actually use London at all. A lot of people travelling through London Airports are making connections to other flights
3. The main reason (as mentioned by someone else in the comments) that London airports are called London Airports is because of branding and advertising. Calling them London Airports makes them sound close to London, and therefore might encourage foreign travellers to travel to those airports. There's many other examples of these, that aren't included on the list (such as London Oxford and London Ashford)
4. This isn't said specifically in the video, but it is implied. Heathrow wasn't meant to be built around residential areas. Heathrow got there first, then residential areas were built around it.
5. 7:33 The Millenium Bridge and Tate Modern are not close to City Airport
EVen more weird that there no underground connection to Gatwick using Norhen LIne.
@@ahsenkhan5386how is that weird, Gatwick is so far outside of London that a tube would be so ridiculously expensive, and would likely only service that stop. All that while there is already a train from Victoria and Blackfriars that only takes 40 minutes and costs a tenner.
I guess it’s what you determine to be close. The millennium bridge and Tate modern are walking distance from Bank DLR which can be reached from city airport pretty quickly
@@markygee194 Yes good point, but it was implied that this was walking distance, next door close. I would think if you include stock footage, it should be related to the thing you're talking about
@@HarveyC119 yeah I agree with this, a tube is very unnecessary, there's already Southern, Thameslink and the Gatwick express. focus on areas like Bromley first lol
It would have been worth it to mention the airports are also due to very high demand - London until only recently usurped as the worlds most popular tourist destination, and 170 million air passengers pa (180m before pandemic). The runways are some of the most used at absolute capacity -Gatwick recently usurped as the world's busiest single runway by Delhi, and a famous insta-shot of several planes lining up to land on clear days.
Some major inaccuracies. London HAD more than one International Airport and some domestic airports before Healthrow and the war. The main airport was London Croydon, with Heston also serving many international flights, and domstic routes on gatwick, hounslow, and others. Originally in the Heathrow area, there was a small aerodrome (great west aerodrome) built in 1929 for the Fairey Aviation Company. Whilst the Government started developing the area in 1944 for an airport for long distance military aircraft, however, by the time any construction was complete the war was over and development continued as a civil airport. Comtemporary discussions suggest that the minister in charge always intended it to be a civil airport anyway, but used the military aspect initially to get the funding and go ahead. After heathrow opened, Croydon, Heston, hounslow and others closed. Gatwick later expanded to become what ti is now, though the original "beehive" terminal still exists as a commercial property south of the runways.
Thanks for the informative video!
Oxford Airport also rebranded to London Oxford Airport in 2009...so I think London now has 7 airports now.
Oxford isn't a commercial airport and is definitely not near London so probably not, but it would be funny if it were!
@@rexisepic Also London
Biggin Hill
In reality, London only has one true airport. London City, which is in london E16
South East England is a continuous area cowering numerous counties. The combined population is probably the highest population for any continuous area in the western world.
The city of London covers one square mile.
What we then call greater London is part of, but not all of the county of Middlesex. Inner greater London has numbered geographical post codes, for example SW19. Outer areas have middlesex postcodes, Some of the outer areas are partly in other counties', such as Surrey.
Heathrow is in the Borough of Hillingdon, Which is in the county or Middlesex. It is right on the edge of this area and bordering Berkshire.
As for the other airports :-
Gatwick is in West Sussex.
Stanstead is in Essex.
Luton is in Bedfordshire.
Oxford is in Oxfordshire.
Southend is also in Essex.
La is a bit crazy too with 5 airports, LAX, SNA, ONT, BUR, LGB.
SBD should also count, so LA metro also has 6 airports.
You could even kinda include San Bernardino Airport (SBD) into that mix
SBD should count because breeze operates their
Hawthorne is also right next to LAX
You can include SBD and Palm Springs if you really wanna get technical
Oops, I thought I had come to Jay Foreman. I’m pretty sure he has covered this before. Right!
See ya.
Beijing's new Daxing airport, which will eventually become the world's busiest, was built at a cost of £9 billion. To put that into perspective, building a third runway at Heathrow is projected to cost £14 billion (the cost projection was as of 2019 and work has not begun yet)
But then, the government of China didn't have to deal with the *GIGANTIC* expense of land acquisition to build Beijing Daxing Airport, given how the Chinese government works. That was the same advantage Istanbul Airport (which opened in 2018) and Seoul Incheon (which opened in 2001) had, because they were built relatively well away from built-up areas.
You get them when you have no challenges, protests and government change
the People near Heathrow dont want a 3rd Run way or their Land Taken
How do you know it will become the busiest? No one can predict the future.
Paris has 4 airports with ORY, CDG, BVA and XCR (which is more cargo oriented but still has passengers)
Interesting and thank you for answering a question I had about all the London airports. I had it in my head that the reason was that London was a hub of all traffic destined to North America. Originally, I am from the Los Angeles basin in California. What is LAX, the international funnel to traffic bound for the west coast but also Asia. The airport location was the US defense of the Pacific Theater during the war. But a lot of housing in Los Angeles had/was creeping closer to the coast, and what was coming into Long Beach harbor (very close to the new LAX) was commercial shipping that was booming after the war also.
The Los Angeles basin sported an Air Force airport that was winding down after the Vietnam war, large enough to be about the same size area that LAX takes. It was in the center of Orange county, about 40 miles (64km) south of LAX. A perfect location. That is until Orange County leadership looked at what a mess LAX had made of everything, and that same mess looked like what the OC location of an international airport might turn into if plans went forward. Air traffic would be going over some of the most desirable, scenic and some of the most popular beaches in the world. Orange County put up the Mother of All NIMBY campaigns (Not In My Back Yard). We could argue that Money Talks, which whether we like it or not, in a capitalist society, it does. Fancy shops, multi-million dollar homes and restaurants that makes your eyes bleed when you see the price of a hamburger--it makes my socialist heart burst into flames to defend people that should be denuded of their millions, but, gosh, even rich people have rights.
Ontario International--I believe the last piece of big government property available in the Los Angeles basin, though I think it is closer to Las Vegas, Nevada than LA, lol. If you have ever watch TV movies and TV shows from the 1960-1980s involving someone coming in/leaving an anonymous-looking third world country airport, Ontario would be the location it would be shot at. They have it blueprinted to allow for future expansion, to hopefully relieve problems before they happen. BrightLine is constructing a high-speed rail between Lost Wages and LA. All of this might relieve some of the horrendous traffic between LA and Las Vegas. Driving that little patch of road was one of the last things I did before I fled LA. 225 miles (361km) through unending bland suburbs, then through part of the Mojave desert to Sin City. That's 225 miles, 361 kilometers of stop and go driving. Children are born on interstate 15! For all I know the McDonald's, off the next exit~! might even have a baptismal font.
Great show with a lot of information I have heard first, here! Thank you for your efforts!
Berlin had 3 commercial airports 20 year ago. Now we are down to 1.
And (although I'm in and out of it often) not the best airport I've ever seen. However it has improved enormously recently (my last few trips ❤)
They somehow managed to actually open Brandenburg haha
London is not the only city New York City has 6 airports as well…all busy
Thank you! What is interesting is the airports no longer in use. As some have mentioned Croydon. As well as all the private airfields around the London area that super wealthy people use...I guess one solution to increased air travel is not more airports but planes that carry more people. This does not just mean larger planes.. Budget airline Ryan Air even suggested people stand and hold dongles like on a bus with zero seatings for the short flights eg one hour journeys that London has available to so many cities in Europe.
The backdrop to all this is also the fact London pays the price of being first. Its underground is inferior to Hong Kong's or New York's because they learnt from London. Just as Canon / Nikon learnt from Leica and short-circuited development and saved a lot of time and money.
By the time a 3rd runway is completed at Heathrow, it will already be oversubscribed. The only real solution would have been a completely new airport with 8 runways, like Atlanta!
Not to mention so-called London Oxford Airport (a 'mere' 60 miles from London), Northolt, Farnborough, Lydd (aka London Ashford Airport), Manston, Biggin Hill .....😀
London Ashford is closer to france than London
London could take the Osaka Kansai or the Seoul Incheon route and make an artificial island and build a mega hub in it, although it probably is gonna be expensive.
yeah, this idea was proposed few years ago, but I don't know what happened to it
@@Broadvay Boris Johnson supported it, so that was that! 🙂
Well London City and the Docklands counts
TLDR: Bad planning, kinda. The fact that London got into the game of aviation very early on, when it was the 3rd biggest city in the world, meant that there wasn't a lot of land around, even back then. Also, as mentioned, nobody knew how big flying would become or more importantly, how big planes and airports would become (people thought that air travel would be much more point-to-point than it ended up being). By the time the government realised the way things were going, the greenbelt had been established and there were many settlements around London that had been there for 1000s of years, with a lot of history to preserve. Also, while London itself is relatively flat, a lot of the land around London that isn't currently built on is quite undulating, and would require a lot of earthworks to flatten a big area out for building an airport. The only land that IS flat, is in the east (Thames estuary), and that is the worst location for accessing the rest of the country on land, because anyone who wants to travel on to other cities would have to travel around London to get there, or they'd have to build a massive tunnel under the Thames. Boris Johnson was campaigning to build a new airport over there at a location called Cliffe, but it was deemed unworkable for many reasons. Finally there's the aspect of climate change and how really we should be building more high speed rail for short to medium length journeys and making better use of things like the Channel Tunnel to get to Europe, rather than adding more flights.
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Tokyo has three commercial airports: Narita, Haneda and Chofu. Chofu airport mainly serves domestic fights to Japan's many small outlying islands, such as Hachijo.
If they're closing some airports, they can be converted to like racing tracks
Yes, we have a London Edinburgh Airport 🛫 too.
Yeah - it's actually because of Marketing. Only "City" is actually in London City (hence the name). Heathrow is JUST on the outskirts of Greater London (a massive suburban area surrounding London city), Gatwick is actually in Surrey, Stanstead in Essex, Luton in Bedfordshire and Southend also in Essex. It just sounds better to travellers - "London Gatwick" than "Gatwick" - which they may or may not know is a nearby town. Gatwick to the south and Stanstead to the North are around 55 miles apart on a map.
There's talk of further airports being upgraded to become "London" Airports - including one in Oxford that is now called "London Oxford" (formerly Kidlington. Formerly RAF Kidlington).
The South of England is infested with small villages, towns and things and finding space suitable to build a new airport that isn't either already someone's home, a marginal constituency, a hill, a bog, a major transport route, a national monument, a site of specific scientific interest or just plain too expensive to buy is pretty hard. We did have quite a few in the 1990s (former RAF/USAF bases) but they were often closed and turned into housing or industrial estates and the remaining ones are really needed for military purposes. So we're not building any more in the foreseeable future.
I wouldn't be surprised that London will assign Heathrow for long-distance international flights only and Gatwick for shorter distance international flights. Gatwick could get a major upgrade to the Gatwick Express train so it could handle the increased traffic for the shorter distance international flights.
London is also very fortunate for the opening of the Channel Tunnel, which makes it possible for long-distance high-speed trains from continental Europe to service London itself. We could get a lot more high-speed rail service through the Channel Tunnel, though that may require some rebuilding of London St. Pancras Station to accommodate the increased international high-speed rail traffic.
What about expanded destinations and services for airlines, airfreight, and of course passengers ?
0:30 istanbul has 2 airports, istanbul and sabiha gokcen, but sabiha gokcen mostly serves domestic or budget airlines, meanwhile istanbul servers the most flights
There is room for a 2nd Runway at Gatwick and room to expand at Gatwick
LA metro area has 6 airports too: LAX, Ontario, burbank, John wayne orange county, Long beach, San Bernadino
I've departed NYC on commercial flights from: Newark, JFK, LaGuardia, Stewart and MacArthur. White Plains is a sixth commercial NYC airport.
London closed busy Croydon airport in 1959.
Toronto has 3 airports:
- Toronto Pearson International (7 runways, 8th one being added very soon)
- Billy Bishop (Downtown Toronto) 2 runways
- Hamilton International (3 runways)
The fact that Southend Airport is called "London Southend" and doesn't really serve any customers in London tells the answer. It's simply marketing.
But I do think the uk had done some methods that other countries didn’t do is that they have built airports in other parts of the country and so people that may not live near the center of the city center can travel less time to their nearest airport for their start of the trip
Basically in narrows down to ineffective planning without foreseeing the future.
I'm not 100% that anybody would have foreseen the levels of increase in air travel. 1940's and 1950's air travel was limited to the top tier of society and London has been grown a lot since then.
This is like saying that London, in 1600's, should have foreseen the need for indoor plumbing and sewerage to be at 21st Century levels of sophistication.
About to have 7 after HS2 is built. Birmingham Airport quicker to reach than Stansted, Luton , Southend and Gatwick
Funnily enough Southend airport had a lot of country side around it and residents aren’t against expanding the airport (at least right now).
Manchester UK only has one airport for both short distance flights to other European countries and to other parts of the UK like Belfast in Northern Ireland which you can't drive to from Manchester because there's a literal ocean in the way with no bridge or tunnel connecting the two islands together, you kinda gotta fly or sail there in order to be able to get there in the first place. It also has long-distance flights as far LA to the West and Japan to the East. Maybe Manchester isn't an important city and that's why it doesn't have more than one airport, I don't know, I always assumed it was in the top 5 most important cities in England, but maybe the USA and Canada are the only countries that have more than 1 "important city".
People actually fly from London Airport or Southend Airport rather than Luton, Gatwick, Stansted, or Heathrow? That must be an experience, I doubt hardly anyone has flown from either of those two airports. I haven't heard anyone flying from either those 2 airports, I don't even know where they fly to or from.
6:09 Houston has 8 total runways between both airports. You only highlighted 2 at Hobby Int'l Airport. Hobby technically had 4 but now 3 one is out of service. You left out runway 30R/12L
Answer: it's a big city
Good, next question
I live close to southends airport and while watching the video till the end 4 different planes passed 😂
Airports should be built on coast not inland where planes
Fly over populated areas!
LA metro has 6 with LAX, Burbank, Long Beach, Santa Ana, Ontario and San Bernardino. Then also several GA airports.
This video is just counting Commercial Airports, if you include all London’s GA airports the total becomes around 15
Americans feeling the need to point out they are not "outdone" by a city having 6 airports.
The vid is "Why does London..."
@@martinc.720ehh it's not that deep. It's the same for NYC metro area, calm down.
@@friskytwox Who said anything about "deep"? lol You can't really tell how people feel when they type of comment. It's just that, a comment. "It's not that deep".
Calling London Heathrow a small airport... The first time I landed there I asked my brother, what's the difference to the Vienna International Airport. After 20 minutes driving a long side the airport with the taxi to pick up other language students from another terminal I understood what the difference is.
Mapmen have made a very entertaining video spiced with british humour on that topic as well.
0:59 This is Greater London. London City (“the City”) is 1.5 square miles in the middle of Greater London.
You have not mentioned London Biggin Hill which hosts scheduled flights to and from European destinations. There are also London Oxford, London Ashford and, although only labelled a "London" airport for a short period of time, London Manston.
London Oxford is 60 miles from Marble Arch by road, and London Ashford and Manston are 76 miles from Marble Arch by road - not remotely close to London. London Ashford is in Lydd, on the edge of Romney Marsh.
It seems that advertising standards don't apply when naming airports
NYC metro also has 6; JFK, EWR, LGA, ISP, TED and FRD
I came here to say that
FRD is in Washington?
Do you mean HPN
Yea I was gonna say that because I was just looking up a couple of these and some of them don’t make sense like FRD. FRD is in Washington but TED is NOT a real airport at all.
@@JustinPark. They probably mean TEB which is Teterboro NJ. Just for private jet traffic tho. Doesn't super count.
Makes sense. Thanks for the info
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I have travelled three of the six airports; Heathrow, Gatwick and Stanstead
Paris has actually got 3, according to Ryanair.
Icl, London is really lacking in airports- hopefully with this new government they can finally build like 10 more or something
Video drags on.
WWII - saved you watching
it's funny cause most of them aren't even in London
London Gatwick is in Crawley
London Stansted is in Hertfordshire
London Southend is in Essex
actually all of them are outside of the city of london... two of them are just in greater london
London does not have 6 airports. Luton, standsted and southend serve East anglia and are mainly holiday makers. The only airports really serving london are city and heathrow
Please make a video about Kuala Lumpur International Airport a.k.a KLIA
Is it safe to say that LCY is to London as LGA is to New York?
No, it’s much smaller and only accepts small regional-sized jets (A220-100, and E-190)
@@jwil4286 no LGA is a major airport, like DCA in DC
@@a_goblue2023 but isn’t IAD the main one for DC the way JFK is for NY?
@@jwil4286 IAD is the international hub more like EWR or JFK, and hub for United airlines, basically all domestic traffic goes to DCA, it gets the same number of passengers annually as IAD
For anyone who wants to know the answer, go watch Jay Foreman. Same vid, way funnier, way less boring, way more enjoyable.
Sorry to disappoint you, but in the 70s East Midlands was seriously considered as a 4th London Airport, before LCY was even thought about and Ryanair and easyJet pushed Stanstead and Luton, not to mention Southend, next it'll be Manston...😊actually Ashford and Lydd have claimed to be London
London 2,2,1,1,1,1/Houston 5+3/Chicago 8+4/Paris 3+4/NY 4+2+3 (Newark), Berlin 2+2/Madrid 4. The United Kingdom, like Argentina, concentrates the majority of the population in its capitals and surrounding areas. Just like the vast majority of football clubs. And the demand for flights reflects this reality. Building an airport like Barajas or Charles de Gaulle (4 runways) is very expensive. It is not possible to compare it with the USA, where, once again, military strategic vision comes into play in the profusion of runways.
Technically London only has one airport, ie London city airport the others has London for branding
Paris have 4 commercial airport not 2 there are : Charles de gaule / orly / (low cost ) beauvais like luton and stansted . And it also own like london a last airport : Paris le bourget ( there is a very popular airshow here ) this airport is like london city with only bussiness jets and sometimes airliner but it's very rare
Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching
We can't even build a 3rd runway at LHR they have been talking about it for 20+ years
Some of these airports have about as much claim to being London as Boston Logan airport can claim to be New York City.
Why not close Heathrow and expand Manston Airport in Kent where there is lot of room to expand.
American's must be well confused watching this, as they thought the whole country was London! 😂
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Paris has three commercial airports. Paris-Beauvais.
Err correction... London only has 2 Airports. City Airport (quite small) and Heathrow. Gatwick, Stanstead, Southend and Luton Airport are NOT in London. They only put London before the actual location so people have a rough idea of where it is. Ask anyone, who doesnt really know the UK where Luton, Gatwick, Stanstead and Southend are in the UK and watch them stutter, but because they've put London in front of where it actually is, they'll have a rough idea of where the airport is. Also, there are train lines that go directly to these airports from London, but that still doesnt change the fact that they're not in London
He never said they were all within the city limits, but that's kind of being ticky tack. I mean there is something called a metropolitan area so the London area does have six airports and they certainly are there to serve the region including people who are going into the city limits of London.
@@westwoodwizard its still only 2 because the other 4 are in different areas. Luton being in Luton, Stanstead being in Essex, Gatwick being in Sussex and Southend being in Southend. Might be classed as London but its not
That argument falls flat, when you realise alot of airports, aren't in the city they serve. Schipol serves Amsterdam, but is in a different municipality, in Haarlemmermeer. Neither Paris CDG or Orly are in Paris. Berlin Brandenburg airport is in the state of Brandenburg. Vienna Schwechat is the main airport for both Vienna and Bratislava, it's in the Austrian city of Schwechat, and 50km from Slovakia even with their own smaller airport
Regardless they all serve the city they are named for and have direct and simple rail transport into the city
@@AB-mw8oz that's kinda my point. Some only have major city names because thats the closest major city near them that has train access to them
You forgot the private airports like biggin hill for private jets
Why don’t they build underground high speed Maglev trains 🚆 to connect all 6 airports that can travel 600km per hour. That way passengers can fly say to South End Airport and take a Maglev train to London Heathrow which will take maybe 10 minutes with a high speed Maglev. Then they can board the next flight in Heathrow airport. Maybe the solution is to not expand these airports but connect all these airports as one with Maglev Trains because Maglev are the fastest trains available. These Maglev Trains can all make a stop in the city center so that way passengers that are connecting can get to the right airport in 10 minutes but passengers traveling to London they can get off at the Maglev Train Stop in the city center. So with Maglev trains just for the airports it won’t make much difference which airport a passenger flies to.
I've used every London airport except City and Southend Airport
Paris actually has four airports, Charles de Gaulle, Orly, Beauvis, and Vatry.
Does the airport in Lydd still exist?
Moscow has four airports: SVO, DME, VKO and ZIA.
yeah, Moscow and London are the only two cities with more than three commercial airports.
NYC almost had 4 and in certain ways does have a 4th though the location is rather odd
Wrong. He says there has never been enough demand in other cities around the world to go beyond two or three airports Max. What is he talking about. Has he heard of Los Angeles? The metropolitan area has five airports and no they're not all within the city of Los Angeles but then neither are the London area airports. LAX, Burbank, Long Beach, Ontario, and Orange County. All five airports serve the region and have been around for many years.
London Gatwick is the preferred airport for many people
There are only 2 airports in London, Heathrow and London city
Paris hasn’t got two but three airports: Charles de Gaulle, Orly, Beauvais
Any mention of the London Oxford Airport? 🤔
Manston Airport in Kent will be reopening in 2025 it has one of the longest runways.
Manston's runway was also incredibly wide - landed there in a light aircraft some years ago (before it closed, obviously) and as it has a slight camber you couldn't see the edge while taxying along the centreline! I understand it was built wide enough to allow glider-tug operations in WWII, I think allowing three tugs and six gliders across the width (subject to correction on this!)
You can include Le Bourget and Beauvais to Paris for a fair comparison to London which would make 4 for Paris.
Le Bourget sure, but Beauvais only gets a Paris name because of Ryanair, like Frankfurt Hahn. It's nearly 100km from Paris
@@AB-mw8oz London Southend Airport is 67km from London.
Tbh mate , only 2 of the airports are actually even in Lonfon
How do Americans distinguish between route and rout.
London is now so widespread that air travel is the easiest means of getting from A-B-C.
6 airports but in total only 7 runways. Chicago O hare alone has 8 runways.
Yeah but they can’t be used at same time
@@peteking8063 At least six can.
@@sliferxxxx typically not
@peteking8063 Still, in terms of aircraft movement O Hare handles probably as many as all those airports combined. It certainly has many more movements than Heathrow.
@@sliferxxxx wrong
but the only airports that are in london are heathrow and city
Croydon airport?
Bro that closed in like 1960
London City Airport: "To this day, it's only used by wankers."
It’s illegal for it to be a good and proper airport 0:48
It doesn't. London only has 3 airports
Heathrow
Gatwick
Little 'London City's in the East London
Crydon Needs an Air port and at least three uderground
No way he called Heathrow and Gatwick small...
YOu missed out London Biggin Hill and London Farnborough Airports.
And then there's London Denham (I learned to fly there) with the code EGLD vs. Heathrow's EGLL 🙂🙂🙂