This is why I don't browse TH-cam anymore, the algorithm just keeps narrowing the options until discovery and diversity becomes impossible. Also why i never bothered getting spotify
@@IneverChange-lt8utthat would be fire like when i’m angry i want an angry playlist but they’ll give me one angry song and then other chill songs from the same artist like noooo i want u to be angryyyyyyy
I mean the raspy, wide vowel, throat singing (think Halsey) that had a chokehold on music circa 2014-2016 was this same phenomenon. I’d be in the mall and hear some nondescript song and genuinely could not tell you if it was Halsey or an independent artist or a TH-cam cover or some other celebrity. There’s a reason that music from certain eras have a distinct sound. Producers see what’s making $$ and they overproduce it. They’re not thinking longevity or building a career. They’re thinking about a quick come up. This isn’t really new at all. We see this all the time.
I couldn't remember what people were calling it, but someone else said it in another comment. Halsey's style was so prevalent and imitated for a period of time that people were calling it "cursive singing" in a mocking way
@brandongore711 Cursive singing refers to that annoying trend where certain words are sung with different vowels, usually more stretched out than originally intended. It predates Halsey. m.th-cam.com/video/8SU0gFPMwP8/w-d-xo.html#dialog
TBH a lot of what I consider distinct about PB's sound (whispery vocals, cutting lyrics) are things where she was clearly influenced by Elliott Smith, and that's fine! She even wrote the song "Punisher" about him.
yeah, her sound is definitely hugely inspired by elliott smith and bright eyes, i think. but at the same time, it's her own style and she's an incredibly talented songwriter! every artist has their inspirations, and that doesn't diminish their talent
The PBE (Phoebe Bridgers Effect) feels like a product of the way all the music platforms push an algorithm. I've noticed youtube recommend much smaller artists recently all dependent on the vibes of the big song catchy song I just heard, and I think it's cool but also leads to weird almost "trends" in music. At least to the extent of song structures feeling so similar along with cadence idk
Oh especially when youre talking about “almost trends” that are REALLY just an algorithm confirming your bias over and over again for months on end. Love Spotify recommendations but I love anything from N.E.R.D to Dead Kennedys, Slipknot to Alex G, etc. But when it keeps playing hip hop on my shuffle cause I was on a rap kick like a week ago, it kinda shows through “the matrix” in some way
comparing ethel cain and taylor swift is soooo insane… i would have never ever even thought of connecting the two. maybe i haven’t listened to enough taylor swift but in my mind they are very different sounds
At this point I just think any female artist that writes good music gets compared to Taylor or Lana del Rey for example olivia gets compared to Taylor which music wise never made sense to me maybe it’s cuz I don’t listen to Taylor like that but I don’t hear the comparisons
as someone who has listened to both ethel’s and taylor’s entire discography, hearing that they sound the same was… wild, to say the least. especially comparing american teenager and speak now. like maybe a diff ts album, but theyre both v distinct from each other.
As an Ethel Cain, Lana Del Rey, and Taylor Swift fan, "American Teenager" doesn't sound like ANYTHING off of Speak Now 😭 Preacher's Daughter is gorgeous. Speak Now is also gorgeous. Also Ethel isn't a "gothic Lana Del Rey". Her style and music sense isn't even goth? Pitchfork is just wow lol. This phenomenon reminds of when people were accusing Olivia Rodrigo of copying Paramore and Taylor Swift. I wish people would learn that musicians can be inspired by each other!
@@theauddity2364 You are right but, I wasn't fully thinking about that in this comment if I'm honest lol. She does fit like the american gothic type of genre/aesthetic. My main gripe though is people undermining artists for being inspired by others so I guess I didn't think about subgenres of goth.
i listened to radiohead's in rainbows in 2020 and it left me thinking "wow so this is what all those indie rock bands in 2008-2010 got their sound". i agree that it isn't automatically a bad thing per se when a style becomes palpable, it's only inevitable, but you will find it hard to unnotice, and sometimes it can take you out of the experience a little bit. i'm usually just glad that i get to hear more of the sounds i like tbh
as a small artist one of my biggest fears is being accused of not being original or copying someone. i feel like as long as you're not intentionally copying someone's style and just using them as inspiration, there's nothing wrong with that. it's inevitable that some music will sound similar.
When you start writing your own stuff, you'll naturally use the artists you admire as a template. After you've been doing it for a while, you'll start to evolve your own original sound.
I’ve been a songwriter for nearly 15 years, and people still hear traces of whatever my favorite artist at the time is. I’ve made it a point to find many favorite artists though, so my sound is a fusion of so many different other sounds that it becomes its own thing which doesn’t entirely sound like just 1 or 2 of my influences
@storytimesongs1 That's the key, really. I think you'll always hear your influences more than other people. It's like when Billy Joel described his early singles as knock off Paul McCartney (or something like that). I can definitely hear the McCartney influence now that he mentioned it, but who noticed it before that?
No seriously, I have found some of my favorite artists by looking for similar sounds. I think all artists are inherently different, even if voice tone or intonation are the same, we lowkey need to stop pitting artists against each other and support small artists!!
Yeah Ive tried to look for artists that are similar to what i like and every time ive been brought into a different sound I dont think i could describe any artist as a rip off of another that ive heard
Me fuggin too girlie (not insulting if you use he/him pronouns I do too but I love saying girlie lmao) She kinda reminds me of a family member of mine but I can't place it. She feels so familiar and I love how silly she is but also serious the next moment And she always helps make my day better and I hope you also have a happy day...today...NOW
Delaney Bailey maybe sounds a little like her but she truly has her own vibe and sound. I love her so much, especially as someone who doesn’t really listen to Phoebe. Delaney is just so good (listen to What We Leave Behind, it’s her new ep, please it’s so good and will make you cry)
Thanks for the recommend, I’ll check it out Also, a lot of times when artists & bands sound similar to another it’s due to them having the same/similar influences
Indie rock sound existed way before mac demarco…. Look through anything from sub-pop or sandle creek Phoebe Bridgers sounds like a lot of other singer songwriters from the 90s-2000s , like a lot of stuff she was inspired by , she didn’t create a new sound or genre
Right? I feel like this sound can be found from the late 80s to early 2000s. If anyone is inspired by Phoebe they’re actually inspired by Elliott Smith
maybe since pheobe bridgers has become more popular we associate this sound (which I think has been pretty common for a little while) with her more so we think these other artists are "copying" the pheobe bridgers™ sound lol
Yup. I love indie rock in a totally disengaged way where I don't follow anything or anyone anywhere but I like the sound. As a consequence, I have no clue who Mac de Marco is, but the 'sounds like Mac de Marco' soundbites that Dev put together sound like every playlist that I've had in the past 15 years - which sounds like it predates him by a lot. Anecdotal, I'm aware, but I suspect the same as you overall - retroactive association.
Idk honestly. Indie tends to have a lot of copy cats. Just look at the Mac Demarco effect after he blew up and since indie again tends to be independent artists It lends itself to copy cats who are heavily inspired by others they look up to.
That part. Because the crazy part is Phoebe's music feels like a direct homage to Elliott Smith. It happened with Frank Ocean to in his sound though (Dijon, Choker, Brockhampton, Bakar, Alt R&B and modern Soul in general lol,etc.) An artist's sound gets popular and then new artists are inspired by them sadly don't know how to hide their inspiration. Mitskicore, Billiecore, etc. .it's bound to happen I'm just surprised ppl didn't know what to call it until Phoebe Bridgers comes around lol
@@nightcrawler8864 not sure if you're a phoebe fan or not and if you are you probably know this but she actually has talked ab how much she takes inspiration from elliott! the title track off of her album punisher is actually about him and there's a line where she describes herself as "a copycat killer with a chemical cut."
Comparing Ethel to Lana is always so funny to me bc Ethel has been so vocal about Florence Welch being her biggest inspiration and I hear soooo much FATM in her music. I hear like…2% Lana in Ethel’s sound. Like you said “slow melody, deep voice lady sing song? She Lana clone 😠”
I think it's an algorithm thing. Dream pop, shoegazer, etc trends comes in waves. Mazzy Star and that sound/vibe was huge in the 90’s too. Lana’s video games set the mood for 2012
This is why I make a brand new playlist every season. It might have some old faves, but at least 80% of those songs I’ve never heard before making that list.
i feel like the more you listen to an artist, the less they start to sound like other artists. like, when i was getting into fall out boy and panic! i could barely tell them apart, but after a while i thought it was crazy to say they had the same sound because i could see so many differences. same vibe as what you said about death grips and jpeg mafia. brain find pattern in unfamiliar thing. adjust understanding of pattern as thing becomes familiar.
This is why I absolutely miss google play music. It had the best algorithm for music. It suggested music to you based on your library instead of what current algorithms are doing now which is what you've been listening to lately. I'm not sure if that's how it worked but going based on being able to upload your library to it to recommend choices for you makes sense. Rip orange headphones
@@momo1696 it definitely changed somewhere. It just isn't the same recommendation process anymore. I have to dig deeper to find artists I've never heard Plus, I don't think it merged considering they were warning users about the closure and they offered a direct download of your library before the shutdown. I think if it were an merge the data and account would have crossed over and it didn't.
I fully believe that we need an overhaul of music platform algorithms. I want to listen to things similar to what I enjoy, but I also want to learn about new music styles or artists. (edit: forgot to mention how good of a video this was!)
We also need to step away from thinking only the algorithm can show you songs that you like that are similar to a certain sound or artist. The algorithm is just that, an algorithm, and can’t determine the emotions one may feel subconsciously that make them like a certain artist while not liking one that might on the surface seem super similar. There are so many resources, threads, videos on any platform from people who are obsessed with whatever sound you may like and they offer higher quality suggestions than any I’ve ever gotten from an algorithm! I’ve found that the Spotify radios or “similar songs to” features give me similar bands or genres but doesn’t really add anything interesting or new, which is what typically gets me addicted to certain songs or artists. The quirks that make them just a little different and more unique than whoever I was listening to before. The algo is a good and easy starting point but then you kinda have to deep dive yourself since every human is unique and has their own quirks and tastes.
10:34 this reminds me of the time I was talking to this guy, about Lorde. I ended up showing him one of her songs, and he said «this is all right, but I think Billie Eillish does it better». no one had previously mentioned Billie in the conversation. i think he just heard a woman singing and thought, ‘hm, woman doing music?? this reminds me of someone i know’
I graduated from high school in 2006, and at the time indie also meant both an aesthetic and sound as well, the indie girls liked photography and dressing vintage/thrift/alternative and had shorter hair, or natural hair, they enjoyed like folky sounds, I think the idea of what indie is is constantly morphing. But at the same time indie also meant independent, and I think indie from the 90s also had a different vibe, bands like sonic youth, pavement.
I was really scared this was gonna be a Phoebe slander video, I was so scared bc I NEEDS my Dev video fix but I'm glad I stuck it out !! I totally agree
@jackiecozzie4803 yeah not really, that song def sounds like phoebe tho. also to be fair I've only heard like 5 lizzy songs anyway so im not a good judge of her whole sound
Very much agree, that song showed up on one of my playlists and I was wondering why Spotify recommended to me Phoebe when I've made it clear I never want to hear that music. I tried to give Lizzy a chance but that cry-core music has got to go.
Im very into phoebe bridgers and also very into searows and the sounds are very very similar. I think a lot of it is to do with the production, because it's very stripped back, and often theres very little instrumentation, which is sort of pushed back in the mix. The vocal just sort of sits on top on a song like that, so if you get your vocal to sound like phoebe bridgers, and push the instrumentation back in the mix, you will sound a lot like her music. I love the sound. Theres a lot of differences that i could pick out between them, but the sound of the production they have going on is pretty much identical, as are the vocals. I feel part of the reason you see so many artists doing this is that its so easily replicable. Like if youve got a condenser microphone and a decent vocalist, you can get the sound
okay confession time, as a pretty new songwriter, whenever I listen to Phoebe Bridgers I cannot write a song cuz she just like gets stuck in my brain and everything I try to write sounds like her 😭
14:20 the whole lucy and phoebe thing is soooo true, and also the fact they are in the same band makes it super easy to see the difference between the two. You can very easily tell which song was mainly made by phoebe or lucy
I don’t know. Because I listen to a lot of The Cranberries and Dolores O’Riordan’s solo stuff and there just isn’t a lot of artists that sound like her so Spotify seems to struggle to find stuff that sounds like her for me. So they end up just recommending a lot of general 90’s rock and general Irish music that sounds similar in different ways. The Irish music has similar themes and singing techniques but are usually of a completely different genre, and the 90s rock is similar in genre but different themes and singing techniques.
i’ve always said that you can easily tell what genre or flavor of music is your favourite the exact moment that someone else says “all these songs sound the same”
@@CamKnoppMusic I don't have a huge sample size but I find her music to be very boring and monotonous tbh... I don't really get why she's taken off so much
thank you so much for clearing up the Ethel Cain / Lana Del Rey thing i think Ethel has cited Lana as an influence, but that's literally it - she's just one of many influences & Ethel's lyrics + production are really distinct from Lana imo even if their timbre is similar/they happen to both focus on Americana themes
as an artist, there’s something so scary about copying someone else. like, i like how some people sound, and I wanna integrate that into my music, but I don’t want to be a copycat?? when I think of how I want my music to sound, I think of artists that I’ve liked in the past,, but then I get stressed on “How do I make my song sound good like theirs do” I don’t know maybe I’m Trippin . it’s a rly big fear esp as someone just starting out
In defence of Alix Page her newest EP is pretty distinct from that exact Phoebe sound. Also her EP last year, at the very least, the first two tracks of the four sound almost nothing like Phoebe
i love phoebe so much and i was scared that you were gonna say something negative about her/her music. i also do think these artists sound a lot like her, but that’s probably because they have similar voices. thank you dev! 🩵
I personally am a huge fan of Phoebe Bridgers and Boygenius, and I completely agree that there's nothing wrong with artists taking influence from someone else, that's just part of making music. I think it's just a personal thing for me, I've just heard so much music over the last few years that sounds like Phoebe that I'm just sort of ready for a different sound to take over indie music lol
to add onto the topic of people comparing artists that don’t really sound the same: muse and radiohead. the biggest criticism i see about muse is that they’re just “clones” of radiohead which like, isn’t true at all? vocally matt bellamy and thom yorke do have some similarities but that’s just because they were both heavily inspired by jeff buckley lol
Kurt Cobain obviously. There were 10s or 100s of bands and artists who tried to either look or sound like Nirvana. It was all over the late 90s and up to the mid/late 00s when post-grunge died.
Not The Smiths writing a song satirizing this whole concept of getting offended by references 40 years ago "if you must prose and poems the words you use should be your own, don't plagiarize or take 'on loan' cause there's always someone somewhere with a big nose, who knows, and who trips you up and laughs when you fall"
insane how out of all the things from ethel cain pitchfork could link to taylor swift they chose american teenager and speak now....and not folklore, one concept album, to preacher's daughter, another concept album. and like even then apart from a very visual narrative story story being told in both albums, there's not much else thats similar
something that a lot people miss is the burger records as a the massive influence / staple it actually was. even though now you can find them virtually nowhere [good], they DID have influence and reach - mac demarco, beach house, wavves, fidlar, and later on with their first two ep’s, the garden - would be heralded as huge influences on indie music generally from 2010-2016 or so. music scenes blooms out from one point and extend, comparison isn’t a bad thing but i think … informed comparison is more important. re: phoebe/billie/etc, isolated vocal tracks of a forlorn sounding singing and a slowly building musical package was … Extremely popular. not just in the 90s with artists like enya and that larger new age fad that happened there or kate bush or lesser known artists like this mortal coil/elizabeth fraiser/cocteau twins or even vespertine era bjork. [it’s also not too different from the works of artists like jeff buckley] ethereal music was around before those women, they have their inspos. they all have their roots in someone like karen carpenter !! it was also popular in the 2010s tho when we were all babies with the rise of vocalists like sia. re: mac, he was highly influenced by the rise of outsider music in the late 90s and 2000s, that was helped by people like nirvanna wearing daniel johnston’s shirts or listing r stevie moore as a fave artist. and … i really don’t like LDR and i won’t be just spewing hater shit so i’ll keep my mouth shut . But what i’m saying is i wish people expanded their musical history and dug some into the surrounding scenes and influences to learn about the broad spectrum of influential and important music. iv worked at record shops and as a beat mixing dj since as soon as i was able to, iv collected vinyl since i was like 11 and discovering music is one of the BEST!!! experiences of all time. i just wish when people felt some lethargy concerning everything sounding the same, they took the time to watch a vid or read an article or interview to find what came before . Rip
@@sugeow they went thru a massive scandal somewhere in 2017, many of their female artists came out to discuss the abuse they’d suffered sexually & such from the heads. by this point, mac/the garden/etc were gone and with captured tracks and epitaph respectively. i used to run fuckyeahfletchershears and all this sortuv came down in a crunch time, both wyatt, fletcher, & tommy all came out against them and burger fest was officially cancelled. everyone is thankfully safe now, burger should be remember as the shit boiling to the top - a reminder and a warning. it’s sad, but it happens in local scenes all over the world. we have to be strong & honest for each-other. much love, comrade xoxo
The Spotify algorithm apparently will analyze the audio of songs if it can't find much info online. That means it will find very similar songs naturally, much like how TH-cam can detect copyrighted music in the background of a video. It would take a human or more advanced machine learning method to classify songs beyond a more surface level.
I love watching music reactions and I’ve noticed a difference between music nerds and casual music listeners reaction to “guts” by Olivia Rodrigo. Casual music listeners compares it to Avril Lavigne Demi lavato and Miley Cyrus, meanwhile music nerds compared it to weezer Green Day and some rock bands that I have never heard of
Comparing artists can be both a positive and negative thing at the same time. When you're trying to describe a sound of an artist, it's so easy to find an existing reference point to compare it to but it's just so easy to fall into the trap of just calling anyone who sounds like someone else entirely derivative. The issue that really pops up when you get to the Pitchfork reviews and such is the weird feeling of going to such a comprehensive music review website and them giving the most basic, mainstream comparisons of artists as if the people who read Pitchfork regularly are the people who only listen to the top 40 charts.
I haven't watched the whole video yet but I hope the fact that Billie Eilish was able to pop off in the first place thanks to Miss Lana Del Rey's work years prior and the way it influenced and inspired Billie is mentioned... cuz Lana was the OG sad girl before it was cool 💅
Mac demarco copied current joys current joys was currently happening before Mac Demarco currently copied current joys style which they currently still do to this current moment
i found some of my favorite artists thru the phoebe effect!! searows is one of my favorite singers and i hate seeing people put him in a box because he sounds like phoebs🥲
Women are often unfairly compared to other women as if their value could be ranked in some kind of objective hierarchy (which is obviously horrible) but pausing on that pitchfork article, the other artists seem to be mentioned as points of reference for description rather than to pit them against each other
ime usually being similar to the point of there seeming to be a relation of intentional derivation it's short-lived and by their next album (presuming the derivative one to be their first) they've begun to much more clearly defined their own style, which as they expand upon and grow allows you to retroactively hear in the early "derivative" stuff more of what in that were germs of their own distinctive unique individual sound to come. i remember Braids releasing Native Speaker and thinking like wow it's literally AnCo, but with a woman singing. to which my response was like cool eff yeah sounds good to me, and got really into the album. their next album. would already diverge enough and set the tone for the rest of their career, and i didn't catch any AnCo influence in it really. sidenote: i never got into phoebe bridgers but i became obsessed with night shift by lucy dacus -- in 2018, at which point i already felt a bit late to the party. i don't remember hearing about phoebe bridgers until like literally over two years later so the insinuation that the direction of influence would flow from bridgers to dacus is so unfair and just patently chronologically wrong. to be completely honest i was a bridgers hater at first because i thought her music was unremarkable and safe. now i recognize i was just being old bitter and judgey
Definitely from 2018-2021, I saw so many locals bands who were clones Mac Demarco/ The Strokes, not that they sounded exactly like them (or were even as good as them for that matter). It was really frustrating seeing so many different groups doing the same thing, since there were things about them that made them unique but they didn’t lean into. The surf punk, indie scene got super tiring. People also referred to that kind of scene as the “indie” scene which was hilarious since all these punk bands would shit on them not realizing that everyone was independent lol. This is obviously not the first time this has happened and definitely won’t be the last, but I just hope that artists who haven’t found their own sound continue to try and build and refine it instead of trend riding. Or in the case of so and so “clones” on Spotify or wherever, hope that they are more than just that sound.
In the 1950s when Elvis hit there were tons of people who were "Copycats" in his wake. Some turned his style into their own thing and surpassed it (See Johnny Burnette's early punk track "Train Kept Rollin" for an example) and others were so bad at copying him its embarrassing ( Ral Donner's "You Dont Know What You Got"). Any trend in popular culture is going to have imitators and I dont think it's a bad thing at all. With the access to uploading people have these days it makes sense that people's early work is going to reflect someone else's. To me it's just part of the artistic process. Nothing new.
With influences effect on the music industry: i will never forgive mac demarco for generating 500000 white guys with identical guitar tones in the mid 2010s, and also indirectly stifling the rise of bands like Alvvays who should have been getting accolades 7 years ago instead of now
One thing that's missing here is also that this is how genres work. There's a possibility some of these artists were already doing similar stuff, but one person off their scene/genre got big and now it seems like everyone is copying them.
errr what? Am I crazy or has this ALWAYS been a thing since music existed.......?? What's the point of even making this a discussion when there are ALWAYS gonna be artists that sound almost identical to eachother no matter what. Absolutely they're copying, but guess what, EVERYONE does that. That's why music exists today.
when i look at the american teenager music video specifically im reminded a lot of lana del rey’s video games video in the sense of it having this somewhat unique aesthetic that’s very feminine and american. the way lana and ethel started is somewhat similar, but the way they’ve presented their art is very, very different. i can understand the comparison is what i’m trying to say. the comparison i DON’T understand is anything ethel cain has ever done being compared to…speak now? of all albums? red maybe, or folklore or evermore reminds me of ethel just barely, but SPEAK NOW…? that album is so aggressively simple girl country and american teenager has such a specific and unique sound and vibe and etherealness to it that it’s SO confusing to me that they’re even compared. that’s like if i compared pinkpantheress to charlie xcx. like, no. what? makes NO sense.
I'll go a step further and say not only is being influenced by other artists a good thing, but I'm instantly leery of any artist who doesn't listen to other artists for fear of being influenced by them. The history of music is people being influenced by other people. It's a sonic tapestry that blankets across time. It's perfectly fine and normal to enjoy a sound, be inspired by a sound, and make music like that sound. Where it can cross into messier territory is when inspiration crosses into pure mimicry. Where the unique individuality of the artist is suppressed in order to adhere to a preconceived notion of how they want to sound. But the thing is, art-especially music-is really hard (and perhaps impossible) to make in a way that's compelling to other people without the artist putting some of themselves into it. So I don't really worry about it.
this is off topic to the video,sorta, but it made me light up to hear that dev listens to the same music as me and so many other ppl. i love mac demarco, current joys, vacations, eyedress, etc. they’re all on my playlists, and to realize big ppl like dev listen to them is js so cool to me😭💗
I think of punk/hardcore with this,how many Gism,Dystopia,Show Me the Body,Distillers,etc. clones or derivatives I've heard is insane. Though ,it's not all bad,I've found great music that way. I do believe it's worse when they act like they're innovating in a genre or groundbreaking anything by popularizing a music style.
I saw that in the first TikTok they mentioned Searows and I just want to say that he is his own person, but he’s phenomenal and you should listen to his music all the same! His first album emotionally broke me as someone who wears her heart on her sleeve and falls in love really easily and is still growing and learning every day. The new EP did not disappoint either! Searows writes some really slow and devastating acoustic songs, and also some gorgeous love ballads. In conclusion, I recommend Guard Dog (his first album) to anyone that stumbles upon this video, Phoebe Bridgers fan or not.
i completely agree!!! his lyricism is just so stunning. i saw him in london on the 19th of feb earlier this week and the crowd wad a bit cringe but it was so worth it
As someone who does listen to Phoebe Bridgers regularly, these artists sound VERY similar from the snippets. Maybe not identical, but pretty damn close. The inflection of their voices and the slow, raspy, raw energy of the music. That is very Phoebe Bridgers inspired.
People are so individualistic they can’t accept that GENRES have always existed, and back in high school all small bands from my hometown either sounded like arctic monkeys or the kooks
Damn, i didn't know mac set off all my bands like that. My favorite band is actually Vacations but through spotify had shown me EVERY SINGLE BAND you shown on screen lol. I can only say that even if they share the same vibe their songs have entirely diffrent messages and perspectives. I really enjoy every single one of them in their own diffrent ways.
i like finding similar music becuase i listen to it so often i get sick of my favorites quickly so finding similar but different stuff lets me keep going with the same music vibe
@@poopsniffer32 I like Phoebe too, but Haley and Adrienne are top tier singer songwriters with insane levels of lyricism and instrumentation. Elevated indie folk by miles
about the spotify algorithm ill say i really like it. i always check the discover tab, constantly finding new songs and artists (and even sub-genres tbh). some of my favorite songs i heard this year i only know bc sptify recommended it
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I think the Spotify Effect is so real. Instead of finding artists that are in the same vein, it finds us artists that are exactly identical
This is why I don't browse TH-cam anymore, the algorithm just keeps narrowing the options until discovery and diversity becomes impossible. Also why i never bothered getting spotify
What if there was an algorithm that made it so every song talked about the same subject in each song instead
@@IneverChange-lt8utthat would be fire like when i’m angry i want an angry playlist but they’ll give me one angry song and then other chill songs from the same artist like noooo i want u to be angryyyyyyy
It finds us Phoebe Bridgers
Use the website music map!! It shows artists closer to further away in sound
I mean the raspy, wide vowel, throat singing (think Halsey) that had a chokehold on music circa 2014-2016 was this same phenomenon. I’d be in the mall and hear some nondescript song and genuinely could not tell you if it was Halsey or an independent artist or a TH-cam cover or some other celebrity.
There’s a reason that music from certain eras have a distinct sound.
Producers see what’s making $$ and they overproduce it. They’re not thinking longevity or building a career. They’re thinking about a quick come up.
This isn’t really new at all. We see this all the time.
Most sane person in the comment section, couldn't describe it any better lol😂
Halsey or Billie Eilish? Imo Billie really pioneered the whisper singing style because I recall Halsey's songs still featured some stronger vocals
@@pillbugm8914 they didnt say whisper singing though, they're talking throat singing like what you meant by stronger vocals.
I couldn't remember what people were calling it, but someone else said it in another comment. Halsey's style was so prevalent and imitated for a period of time that people were calling it "cursive singing" in a mocking way
@brandongore711 Cursive singing refers to that annoying trend where certain words are sung with different vowels, usually more stretched out than originally intended. It predates Halsey.
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What I don’t understand is why boygenius sounds so much like Phoebe Bridgers? She should sue
I know right 😳😳 they literally copied her voice!!!
Phoebe Bridgers is in boygenius
fr like its kinda crazy
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@@B19Wingbut phoebe isn’t a boy??? 🤨
TBH a lot of what I consider distinct about PB's sound (whispery vocals, cutting lyrics) are things where she was clearly influenced by Elliott Smith, and that's fine! She even wrote the song "Punisher" about him.
YES
yeah, her sound is definitely hugely inspired by elliott smith and bright eyes, i think. but at the same time, it's her own style and she's an incredibly talented songwriter! every artist has their inspirations, and that doesn't diminish their talent
The PBE (Phoebe Bridgers Effect) feels like a product of the way all the music platforms push an algorithm. I've noticed youtube recommend much smaller artists recently all dependent on the vibes of the big song catchy song I just heard, and I think it's cool but also leads to weird almost "trends" in music. At least to the extent of song structures feeling so similar along with cadence idk
Oh especially when youre talking about “almost trends” that are REALLY just an algorithm confirming your bias over and over again for months on end. Love Spotify recommendations but I love anything from N.E.R.D to Dead Kennedys, Slipknot to Alex G, etc. But when it keeps playing hip hop on my shuffle cause I was on a rap kick like a week ago, it kinda shows through “the matrix” in some way
You're definitely talking about that "a new kind of love" yt vid right? 💀
@@joerundell4792if you like N.E.R.D check out varnish la piscine- songs I’d recommend cortezz, bubble and love boat
comparing ethel cain and taylor swift is soooo insane… i would have never ever even thought of connecting the two. maybe i haven’t listened to enough taylor swift but in my mind they are very different sounds
ur right fr
Yo where’s the Ptolemea x Cruel Summer mashup 🫠
they have very different sounds lol
At this point I just think any female artist that writes good music gets compared to Taylor or Lana del Rey for example olivia gets compared to Taylor which music wise never made sense to me maybe it’s cuz I don’t listen to Taylor like that but I don’t hear the comparisons
as someone who has listened to both ethel’s and taylor’s entire discography, hearing that they sound the same was… wild, to say the least. especially comparing american teenager and speak now. like maybe a diff ts album, but theyre both v distinct from each other.
As an Ethel Cain, Lana Del Rey, and Taylor Swift fan, "American Teenager" doesn't sound like ANYTHING off of Speak Now 😭 Preacher's Daughter is gorgeous. Speak Now is also gorgeous.
Also Ethel isn't a "gothic Lana Del Rey". Her style and music sense isn't even goth? Pitchfork is just wow lol.
This phenomenon reminds of when people were accusing Olivia Rodrigo of copying Paramore and Taylor Swift. I wish people would learn that musicians can be inspired by each other!
I think they meant gothic in the literary sense but you're very right
they for sure meant american gothic which is its own genre/aesthetic
@@theauddity2364 You are right but, I wasn't fully thinking about that in this comment if I'm honest lol. She does fit like the american gothic type of genre/aesthetic. My main gripe though is people undermining artists for being inspired by others so I guess I didn't think about subgenres of goth.
I legit throughly American teenager was a Taylor collab until her verse never came and I had to be like what
gothic doesn’t necessarily always mean goth but i see your point
i listened to radiohead's in rainbows in 2020 and it left me thinking "wow so this is what all those indie rock bands in 2008-2010 got their sound". i agree that it isn't automatically a bad thing per se when a style becomes palpable, it's only inevitable, but you will find it hard to unnotice, and sometimes it can take you out of the experience a little bit. i'm usually just glad that i get to hear more of the sounds i like tbh
i am actually interested in what other songs sound like in rainbows if you don’t mind sharing
Radiohead’s discography is incredible. If you like them, listen to Portishead.
@@anaochoa not the same but you could listen to divine comedy, midlake, avey tare, panda bear, beck, eels, bibio.
@@anaochoanot the same era they mentioned, but Midnight Sun by Nilufer Yanya and Caroline by Arlo Parks def have a Weird Fishes vibe to them
@@thehearingaidbro how you gonna have Avey tare and panda bear but not just include animal collective.
as a small artist one of my biggest fears is being accused of not being original or copying someone. i feel like as long as you're not intentionally copying someone's style and just using them as inspiration, there's nothing wrong with that. it's inevitable that some music will sound similar.
When you start writing your own stuff, you'll naturally use the artists you admire as a template. After you've been doing it for a while, you'll start to evolve your own original sound.
I’ve been a songwriter for nearly 15 years, and people still hear traces of whatever my favorite artist at the time is. I’ve made it a point to find many favorite artists though, so my sound is a fusion of so many different other sounds that it becomes its own thing which doesn’t entirely sound like just 1 or 2 of my influences
@storytimesongs1 That's the key, really. I think you'll always hear your influences more than other people. It's like when Billy Joel described his early singles as knock off Paul McCartney (or something like that). I can definitely hear the McCartney influence now that he mentioned it, but who noticed it before that?
No seriously, I have found some of my favorite artists by looking for similar sounds. I think all artists are inherently different, even if voice tone or intonation are the same, we lowkey need to stop pitting artists against each other and support small artists!!
same!! most of those songs in the beginning are someone of my favorite songs
Yeah
Ive tried to look for artists that are similar to what i like and every time ive been brought into a different sound
I dont think i could describe any artist as a rip off of another that ive heard
No, we need to have more creativity. Stop being such a McDonald’s consumer
@@GlacierSound wym “no” lmao. imma do what I want??
i scream bloody murder and kick my feet up when Dev posts
Me fuggin too girlie
(not insulting if you use he/him pronouns I do too but I love saying girlie lmao)
She kinda reminds me of a family member of mine but I can't place it. She feels so familiar and I love how silly she is but also serious the next moment
And she always helps make my day better and I hope you also have a happy day...today...NOW
Delaney Bailey maybe sounds a little like her but she truly has her own vibe and sound. I love her so much, especially as someone who doesn’t really listen to Phoebe. Delaney is just so good (listen to What We Leave Behind, it’s her new ep, please it’s so good and will make you cry)
Thanks for the recommend, I’ll check it out
Also, a lot of times when artists & bands sound similar to another it’s due to them having the same/similar influences
Yesss I feel like Delaney is just a mezzo-alto and thats it tbh
RIGHTTTTTT
thanks for the rec, the ep is such a vibe!
Delaney Bailey is such an incredible artist and amazing performer !! ❤❤
Indie rock sound existed way before mac demarco…. Look through anything from sub-pop or sandle creek
Phoebe Bridgers sounds like a lot of other singer songwriters from the 90s-2000s , like a lot of stuff she was inspired by , she didn’t create a new sound or genre
Right? I feel like this sound can be found from the late 80s to early 2000s. If anyone is inspired by Phoebe they’re actually inspired by Elliott Smith
maybe since pheobe bridgers has become more popular we associate this sound (which I think has been pretty common for a little while) with her more so we think these other artists are "copying" the pheobe bridgers™ sound lol
Idk, that clip of ,,25" by Alix Page sounds exactly like ,,Kyoto". I get inspiration but some of them are straight up copying
Yup. I love indie rock in a totally disengaged way where I don't follow anything or anyone anywhere but I like the sound. As a consequence, I have no clue who Mac de Marco is, but the 'sounds like Mac de Marco' soundbites that Dev put together sound like every playlist that I've had in the past 15 years - which sounds like it predates him by a lot. Anecdotal, I'm aware, but I suspect the same as you overall - retroactive association.
Idk honestly. Indie tends to have a lot of copy cats. Just look at the Mac Demarco effect after he blew up and since indie again tends to be independent artists It lends itself to copy cats who are heavily inspired by others they look up to.
That part. Because the crazy part is Phoebe's music feels like a direct homage to Elliott Smith. It happened with Frank Ocean to in his sound though (Dijon, Choker, Brockhampton, Bakar, Alt R&B and modern Soul in general lol,etc.)
An artist's sound gets popular and then new artists are inspired by them sadly don't know how to hide their inspiration. Mitskicore, Billiecore, etc. .it's bound to happen I'm just surprised ppl didn't know what to call it until Phoebe Bridgers comes around lol
@@nightcrawler8864 not sure if you're a phoebe fan or not and if you are you probably know this but she actually has talked ab how much she takes inspiration from elliott! the title track off of her album punisher is actually about him and there's a line where she describes herself as "a copycat killer with a chemical cut."
Comparing Ethel to Lana is always so funny to me bc Ethel has been so vocal about Florence Welch being her biggest inspiration and I hear soooo much FATM in her music. I hear like…2% Lana in Ethel’s sound. Like you said “slow melody, deep voice lady sing song? She Lana clone 😠”
I think it's an algorithm thing. Dream pop, shoegazer, etc trends comes in waves. Mazzy Star and that sound/vibe was huge in the 90’s too. Lana’s video games set the mood for 2012
This is why I make a brand new playlist every season. It might have some old faves, but at least 80% of those songs I’ve never heard before making that list.
I do the same thing too! But I make a new playlist every month
@@teafernn that’s next level. 🙏🏻
me too every month i refresh so each playlist is like a time capsule of that month when i go back to it
@@adohertyspam5978 exactly 👍
How do you pick songs you've never heard before? Are they at least from artists you already know and like?
i feel like the more you listen to an artist, the less they start to sound like other artists. like, when i was getting into fall out boy and panic! i could barely tell them apart, but after a while i thought it was crazy to say they had the same sound because i could see so many differences. same vibe as what you said about death grips and jpeg mafia. brain find pattern in unfamiliar thing. adjust understanding of pattern as thing becomes familiar.
Bony Bear has me crying
This is why I absolutely miss google play music. It had the best algorithm for music.
It suggested music to you based on your library instead of what current algorithms are doing now which is what you've been listening to lately.
I'm not sure if that's how it worked but going based on being able to upload your library to it to recommend choices for you makes sense.
Rip orange headphones
It never really left, just merged with TH-cam music. But I agree.
@@momo1696 it definitely changed somewhere. It just isn't the same recommendation process anymore. I have to dig deeper to find artists I've never heard
Plus, I don't think it merged considering they were warning users about the closure and they offered a direct download of your library before the shutdown.
I think if it were an merge the data and account would have crossed over and it didn't.
I fully believe that we need an overhaul of music platform algorithms. I want to listen to things similar to what I enjoy, but I also want to learn about new music styles or artists.
(edit: forgot to mention how good of a video this was!)
Don't rely on it
We also need to step away from thinking only the algorithm can show you songs that you like that are similar to a certain sound or artist. The algorithm is just that, an algorithm, and can’t determine the emotions one may feel subconsciously that make them like a certain artist while not liking one that might on the surface seem super similar.
There are so many resources, threads, videos on any platform from people who are obsessed with whatever sound you may like and they offer higher quality suggestions than any I’ve ever gotten from an algorithm! I’ve found that the Spotify radios or “similar songs to” features give me similar bands or genres but doesn’t really add anything interesting or new, which is what typically gets me addicted to certain songs or artists. The quirks that make them just a little different and more unique than whoever I was listening to before.
The algo is a good and easy starting point but then you kinda have to deep dive yourself since every human is unique and has their own quirks and tastes.
i never realize how im affected by youtubers little unique intros until dev posts and its not a happy little day
love smoking menthol 100s and listening to boney bear
10:34 this reminds me of the time I was talking to this guy, about Lorde. I ended up showing him one of her songs, and he said «this is all right, but I think Billie Eillish does it better». no one had previously mentioned Billie in the conversation. i think he just heard a woman singing and thought, ‘hm, woman doing music?? this reminds me of someone i know’
I saw pheobe bridgers in the title and gasped
I graduated from high school in 2006, and at the time indie also meant both an aesthetic and sound as well, the indie girls liked photography and dressing vintage/thrift/alternative and had shorter hair, or natural hair, they enjoyed like folky sounds, I think the idea of what indie is is constantly morphing. But at the same time indie also meant independent, and I think indie from the 90s also had a different vibe, bands like sonic youth, pavement.
Feels similar to the cursive singing effect
I was really scared this was gonna be a Phoebe slander video, I was so scared bc I NEEDS my Dev video fix but I'm glad I stuck it out !! I totally agree
I remember hearing that ceilings song by lizzy mcalpine and genuinely thinking it was a phoebe song for a while. It's definitely a thing
I'm ngl Lizzy doesn't even sound that much like Phoebe tho
@jackiecozzie4803 yeah not really, that song def sounds like phoebe tho. also to be fair I've only heard like 5 lizzy songs anyway so im not a good judge of her whole sound
Very much agree, that song showed up on one of my playlists and I was wondering why Spotify recommended to me Phoebe when I've made it clear I never want to hear that music.
I tried to give Lizzy a chance but that cry-core music has got to go.
Im very into phoebe bridgers and also very into searows and the sounds are very very similar. I think a lot of it is to do with the production, because it's very stripped back, and often theres very little instrumentation, which is sort of pushed back in the mix. The vocal just sort of sits on top on a song like that, so if you get your vocal to sound like phoebe bridgers, and push the instrumentation back in the mix, you will sound a lot like her music. I love the sound. Theres a lot of differences that i could pick out between them, but the sound of the production they have going on is pretty much identical, as are the vocals. I feel part of the reason you see so many artists doing this is that its so easily replicable. Like if youve got a condenser microphone and a decent vocalist, you can get the sound
That sound is also very present in a lot of early 70s folk music but especially (and although not really folk) Elliot smith too
okay confession time, as a pretty new songwriter, whenever I listen to Phoebe Bridgers I cannot write a song cuz she just like gets stuck in my brain and everything I try to write sounds like her 😭
I am a huge phoebe fan, but never heard any of those other artists. Since I use TH-cam music, I truly think it's an Spotify thing
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the whole lucy and phoebe thing is soooo true, and also the fact they are in the same band makes it super easy to see the difference between the two. You can very easily tell which song was mainly made by phoebe or lucy
I don’t know. Because I listen to a lot of The Cranberries and Dolores O’Riordan’s solo stuff and there just isn’t a lot of artists that sound like her so Spotify seems to struggle to find stuff that sounds like her for me. So they end up just recommending a lot of general 90’s rock and general Irish music that sounds similar in different ways. The Irish music has similar themes and singing techniques but are usually of a completely different genre, and the 90s rock is similar in genre but different themes and singing techniques.
i’ve always said that you can easily tell what genre or flavor of music is your favourite the exact moment that someone else says “all these songs sound the same”
Bruh phoebe sounds like every obscure indie Midwest white girl singer from the last like 20 years
"Obscure"
u are probably not even 20 so i’m not sure u know what’s going on
@@MaejorArray😂😂
She has a nice sound and I don’t mean to be a hater, but I don’t hear anything unique/interesting about what she does.
@@CamKnoppMusic I don't have a huge sample size but I find her music to be very boring and monotonous tbh... I don't really get why she's taken off so much
some guy: "everyone sounds like phoebe bridgers"
me about to recommend QueefJerky: oh boy do i have something different for you
thank you so much for clearing up the Ethel Cain / Lana Del Rey thing
i think Ethel has cited Lana as an influence, but that's literally it - she's just one of many influences & Ethel's lyrics + production are really distinct from Lana imo even if their timbre is similar/they happen to both focus on Americana themes
as an artist, there’s something so scary about copying someone else. like, i like how some people sound, and I wanna integrate that into my music, but I don’t want to be a copycat?? when I think of how I want my music to sound, I think of artists that I’ve liked in the past,, but then I get stressed on “How do I make my song sound good like theirs do” I don’t know maybe I’m Trippin . it’s a rly big fear esp as someone just starting out
People forget all the Beatles clones back in the day and Led Zeppelin Clones as well (which is still happening Greta Van Fleet) It happens
In defence of Alix Page her newest EP is pretty distinct from that exact Phoebe sound. Also her EP last year, at the very least, the first two tracks of the four sound almost nothing like Phoebe
i love phoebe so much and i was scared that you were gonna say something negative about her/her music. i also do think these artists sound a lot like her, but that’s probably because they have similar voices. thank you dev! 🩵
I personally am a huge fan of Phoebe Bridgers and Boygenius, and I completely agree that there's nothing wrong with artists taking influence from someone else, that's just part of making music. I think it's just a personal thing for me, I've just heard so much music over the last few years that sounds like Phoebe that I'm just sort of ready for a different sound to take over indie music lol
to add onto the topic of people comparing artists that don’t really sound the same: muse and radiohead. the biggest criticism i see about muse is that they’re just “clones” of radiohead which like, isn’t true at all? vocally matt bellamy and thom yorke do have some similarities but that’s just because they were both heavily inspired by jeff buckley lol
I saw the title and jumped
Same pb is my secret autistic hyperfixation
Kurt Cobain obviously. There were 10s or 100s of bands and artists who tried to either look or sound like Nirvana. It was all over the late 90s and up to the mid/late 00s when post-grunge died.
Not The Smiths writing a song satirizing this whole concept of getting offended by references 40 years ago "if you must prose and poems the words you use should be your own, don't plagiarize or take 'on loan' cause there's always someone somewhere with a big nose, who knows, and who trips you up and laughs when you fall"
Sounds like a rip off of Keats or Yates.
DID GENUIS EVEN READ THE GOD DAMN LYRICS TO AMERICAN TEENAGER
insane how out of all the things from ethel cain pitchfork could link to taylor swift they chose american teenager and speak now....and not folklore, one concept album, to preacher's daughter, another concept album. and like even then apart from a very visual narrative story story being told in both albums, there's not much else thats similar
dev lemons copied my existence. Everything she does I've actually already done.
indie rock has defined a sound vs a label long before mac demarco, at least since the noughties
Dang, no credit to either creator in the thumbnail or the video???? Lame.
something that a lot people miss is the burger records as a the massive influence / staple it actually was. even though now you can find them virtually nowhere [good], they DID have influence and reach - mac demarco, beach house, wavves, fidlar, and later on with their first two ep’s, the garden - would be heralded as huge influences on indie music generally from 2010-2016 or so. music scenes blooms out from one point and extend, comparison isn’t a bad thing but i think … informed comparison is more important.
re: phoebe/billie/etc, isolated vocal tracks of a forlorn sounding singing and a slowly building musical package was … Extremely popular. not just in the 90s with artists like enya and that larger new age fad that happened there or kate bush or lesser known artists like this mortal coil/elizabeth fraiser/cocteau twins or even vespertine era bjork. [it’s also not too different from the works of artists like jeff buckley] ethereal music was around before those women, they have their inspos. they all have their roots in someone like karen carpenter !! it was also popular in the 2010s tho when we were all babies with the rise of vocalists like sia.
re: mac, he was highly influenced by the rise of outsider music in the late 90s and 2000s, that was helped by people like nirvanna wearing daniel johnston’s shirts or listing r stevie moore as a fave artist.
and … i really don’t like LDR and i won’t be just spewing hater shit so i’ll keep my mouth shut . But what i’m saying is i wish people expanded their musical history and dug some into the surrounding scenes and influences to learn about the broad spectrum of influential and important music.
iv worked at record shops and as a beat mixing dj since as soon as i was able to, iv collected vinyl since i was like 11 and discovering music is one of the BEST!!! experiences of all time. i just wish when people felt some lethargy concerning everything sounding the same, they took the time to watch a vid or read an article or interview to find what came before . Rip
This is a really well-written comment. I love TH-cam moments like this fr
howd i never realize so many of myfavorite bands are under one label😭
@@sugeow they went thru a massive scandal somewhere in 2017, many of their female artists came out to discuss the abuse they’d suffered sexually & such from the heads. by this point, mac/the garden/etc were gone and with captured tracks and epitaph respectively. i used to run fuckyeahfletchershears and all this sortuv came down in a crunch time, both wyatt, fletcher, & tommy all came out against them and burger fest was officially cancelled. everyone is thankfully safe now, burger should be remember as the shit boiling to the top - a reminder and a warning. it’s sad, but it happens in local scenes all over the world. we have to be strong & honest for each-other.
much love, comrade xoxo
@@nightcrawler8864 much love, comrade ! 🤍🌻🦎 have a beautiful rest of your year
The Spotify algorithm apparently will analyze the audio of songs if it can't find much info online. That means it will find very similar songs naturally, much like how TH-cam can detect copyrighted music in the background of a video. It would take a human or more advanced machine learning method to classify songs beyond a more surface level.
I love watching music reactions and I’ve noticed a difference between music nerds and casual music listeners reaction to “guts” by Olivia Rodrigo. Casual music listeners compares it to Avril Lavigne Demi lavato and Miley Cyrus, meanwhile music nerds compared it to weezer Green Day and some rock bands that I have never heard of
But is Phoebe Bridgers really that original in the first place?
just wanna say I really enjoy your videos, your takes are always thoughtful and you look at all sides.
Comparing artists can be both a positive and negative thing at the same time. When you're trying to describe a sound of an artist, it's so easy to find an existing reference point to compare it to but it's just so easy to fall into the trap of just calling anyone who sounds like someone else entirely derivative. The issue that really pops up when you get to the Pitchfork reviews and such is the weird feeling of going to such a comprehensive music review website and them giving the most basic, mainstream comparisons of artists as if the people who read Pitchfork regularly are the people who only listen to the top 40 charts.
It’s a good day when Dev uploads
so true
I haven't watched the whole video yet but I hope the fact that Billie Eilish was able to pop off in the first place thanks to Miss Lana Del Rey's work years prior and the way it influenced and inspired Billie is mentioned... cuz Lana was the OG sad girl before it was cool 💅
Mac demarco copied current joys current joys was currently happening before Mac Demarco currently copied current joys style which they currently still do to this current moment
Things have changed a lot since Bony Bear...
i found some of my favorite artists thru the phoebe effect!! searows is one of my favorite singers and i hate seeing people put him in a box because he sounds like phoebs🥲
Women are often unfairly compared to other women as if their value could be ranked in some kind of objective hierarchy (which is obviously horrible) but pausing on that pitchfork article, the other artists seem to be mentioned as points of reference for description rather than to pit them against each other
I've had the same experience with people who sound like Dominic Fike too
ime usually being similar to the point of there seeming to be a relation of intentional derivation it's short-lived and by their next album (presuming the derivative one to be their first) they've begun to much more clearly defined their own style, which as they expand upon and grow allows you to retroactively hear in the early "derivative" stuff more of what in that were germs of their own distinctive unique individual sound to come. i remember Braids releasing Native Speaker and thinking like wow it's literally AnCo, but with a woman singing. to which my response was like cool eff yeah sounds good to me, and got really into the album. their next album. would already diverge enough and set the tone for the rest of their career, and i didn't catch any AnCo influence in it really.
sidenote: i never got into phoebe bridgers but i became obsessed with night shift by lucy dacus -- in 2018, at which point i already felt a bit late to the party. i don't remember hearing about phoebe bridgers until like literally over two years later so the insinuation that the direction of influence would flow from bridgers to dacus is so unfair and just patently chronologically wrong. to be completely honest i was a bridgers hater at first because i thought her music was unremarkable and safe. now i recognize i was just being old bitter and judgey
Definitely from 2018-2021, I saw so many locals bands who were clones Mac Demarco/ The Strokes, not that they sounded exactly like them (or were even as good as them for that matter). It was really frustrating seeing so many different groups doing the same thing, since there were things about them that made them unique but they didn’t lean into. The surf punk, indie scene got super tiring. People also referred to that kind of scene as the “indie” scene which was hilarious since all these punk bands would shit on them not realizing that everyone was independent lol. This is obviously not the first time this has happened and definitely won’t be the last, but I just hope that artists who haven’t found their own sound continue to try and build and refine it instead of trend riding. Or in the case of so and so “clones” on Spotify or wherever, hope that they are more than just that sound.
yeah, the lazy vocals over chorus-ed guitars playing 7th chords got way too overused during that time
In the 1950s when Elvis hit there were tons of people who were "Copycats" in his wake. Some turned his style into their own thing and surpassed it (See Johnny Burnette's early punk track "Train Kept Rollin" for an example) and others were so bad at copying him its embarrassing ( Ral Donner's "You Dont Know What You Got"). Any trend in popular culture is going to have imitators and I dont think it's a bad thing at all. With the access to uploading people have these days it makes sense that people's early work is going to reflect someone else's. To me it's just part of the artistic process. Nothing new.
With influences effect on the music industry: i will never forgive mac demarco for generating 500000 white guys with identical guitar tones in the mid 2010s, and also indirectly stifling the rise of bands like Alvvays who should have been getting accolades 7 years ago instead of now
One thing that's missing here is also that this is how genres work. There's a possibility some of these artists were already doing similar stuff, but one person off their scene/genre got big and now it seems like everyone is copying them.
the ethel cain x lana del rey x taylor swift thing is just so illiterate
i smile, scream, and run around my room when dev posts
errr what? Am I crazy or has this ALWAYS been a thing since music existed.......?? What's the point of even making this a discussion when there are ALWAYS gonna be artists that sound almost identical to eachother no matter what. Absolutely they're copying, but guess what, EVERYONE does that. That's why music exists today.
YES thank you for bringing this up cause every artist in my discover weekly sounds like this
I'm very happy we live in a world when we get to listen to so much music.
when i look at the american teenager music video specifically im reminded a lot of lana del rey’s video games video in the sense of it having this somewhat unique aesthetic that’s very feminine and american. the way lana and ethel started is somewhat similar, but the way they’ve presented their art is very, very different. i can understand the comparison is what i’m trying to say.
the comparison i DON’T understand is anything ethel cain has ever done being compared to…speak now? of all albums? red maybe, or folklore or evermore reminds me of ethel just barely, but SPEAK NOW…? that album is so aggressively simple girl country and american teenager has such a specific and unique sound and vibe and etherealness to it that it’s SO confusing to me that they’re even compared. that’s like if i compared pinkpantheress to charlie xcx. like, no. what? makes NO sense.
I'll go a step further and say not only is being influenced by other artists a good thing, but I'm instantly leery of any artist who doesn't listen to other artists for fear of being influenced by them. The history of music is people being influenced by other people. It's a sonic tapestry that blankets across time. It's perfectly fine and normal to enjoy a sound, be inspired by a sound, and make music like that sound. Where it can cross into messier territory is when inspiration crosses into pure mimicry. Where the unique individuality of the artist is suppressed in order to adhere to a preconceived notion of how they want to sound. But the thing is, art-especially music-is really hard (and perhaps impossible) to make in a way that's compelling to other people without the artist putting some of themselves into it. So I don't really worry about it.
Let’s be real it’s all just the evolution of music from bands like the smiths. Small variations over time
music has always been this way. Someone gets successful… the formula is created. There is no risk in copying a winning formula.
this is off topic to the video,sorta,
but it made me light up to hear that dev listens to the same music as me and so many other ppl. i love mac demarco, current joys, vacations, eyedress, etc. they’re all on my playlists, and to realize big ppl like dev listen to them is js so cool to me😭💗
ppl when someone cant make a completely 100% different song w/o any previous inspo: 😨😨😨😨
I think of punk/hardcore with this,how many Gism,Dystopia,Show Me the Body,Distillers,etc. clones or derivatives I've heard is insane. Though ,it's not all bad,I've found great music that way. I do believe it's worse when they act like they're innovating in a genre or groundbreaking anything by popularizing a music style.
I saw that in the first TikTok they mentioned Searows and I just want to say that he is his own person, but he’s phenomenal and you should listen to his music all the same! His first album emotionally broke me as someone who wears her heart on her sleeve and falls in love really easily and is still growing and learning every day. The new EP did not disappoint either! Searows writes some really slow and devastating acoustic songs, and also some gorgeous love ballads. In conclusion, I recommend Guard Dog (his first album) to anyone that stumbles upon this video, Phoebe Bridgers fan or not.
i completely agree!!! his lyricism is just so stunning. i saw him in london on the 19th of feb earlier this week and the crowd wad a bit cringe but it was so worth it
As someone who does listen to Phoebe Bridgers regularly, these artists sound VERY similar from the snippets. Maybe not identical, but pretty damn close. The inflection of their voices and the slow, raspy, raw energy of the music. That is very Phoebe Bridgers inspired.
i TOTALLY agree as a massive phoebe fan. like if i closed my eyes and you told me that was a new phoebe album i probably would’ve believed you
hey why don’t you credit the people whose tiktok you used??
People are so individualistic they can’t accept that GENRES have always existed, and back in high school all small bands from my hometown either sounded like arctic monkeys or the kooks
Damn, i didn't know mac set off all my bands like that. My favorite band is actually Vacations but through spotify had shown me EVERY SINGLE BAND you shown on screen lol. I can only say that even if they share the same vibe their songs have entirely diffrent messages and perspectives. I really enjoy every single one of them in their own diffrent ways.
Thank you for closing the closet door 👏👏
i like finding similar music becuase i listen to it so often i get sick of my favorites quickly so finding similar but different stuff lets me keep going with the same music vibe
Phoebe bridgers pronounces her words way clearer and her lyricism is another level
SOLD SOME SHERM TO A FIEND LOOK LIKE PHOEBE BRIDGEEEERS
If only they were trying to sound like Adrienne Lenker or Haley Heynderickx lmao
I love phoebe, Adrienne and Haley so I'd love any😖😖
@@poopsniffer32 I like Phoebe too, but Haley and Adrienne are top tier singer songwriters with insane levels of lyricism and instrumentation. Elevated indie folk by miles
When will Haley release new music? 😔
@@mr.perezident9381 i literally pray for this every day 😭
you pulled dræm girl from the deep depths of my memory
Feel like its been happening a lot in rap too, the Thug and Carti clones don't end
about the spotify algorithm ill say i really like it. i always check the discover tab, constantly finding new songs and artists (and even sub-genres tbh). some of my favorite songs i heard this year i only know bc sptify recommended it
All the ladies are sounding like Phoebe and all the dudes are sounding like Tyler Childers
Dev look like an angel
yep its time to FINALLY have this conversation lmfao
Very juicy video, 10/10
Honestly if the same thing happens with Laufey I wouldn't be surprised.