Doug Polk Siever relies too much on an explotative strategy and reading/bullying weakness. Please lay down a monster trap against this pompous guy on tv. It would be so epic. He only talks a big game because he lacks your technical expertise and logic/deduction skills. Gl Doug!
Honestly that is the most time it took to describe a blocker bet to prevent a larger bet on the river by your opponent that I have ever heard... I’ve been watching donkeys do this live for years!! Great work on the postale case lately, you’ve really done a hell of a lot of good for the poker community the last two weeks!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
If you bet the pot he may have folded on the river. Too many hands beat him. Full house and higher two pair. But I'm sure as hell not a pro but just saying
the kidmakes a notion in the title that he outplayed negreanu while truth is he just lost a hand that a bluff might win him .. sadly only a few have the balls to fire the bluff to negreanu lol that guy!
It wasn't until lately that I have become a winning player online and watching your videos the past few weeks have really helped me. I always did very well playing live in Vegas, but that was also against tourists primarily and regulars who thought they were better than they really were. I find myself spending hours of my days watching your videos and really appreciate the time and effort you put into them. As someone who truly understands the game (better than I did five years ago at least) after a decade of playing, I understand the need to talk about a hand a lot more than most will realize is needed. I even feel as if you could talk even more, but condense it for the average viewers. Although I am winning primarily in PLO and my specialty is NLH, I feel as if your videos will help me to play much better both live and online when I go back to Vegas this Summer. Still to this moment, I don't feel my 6 handed NLH game is strong enough to play professionally online. I'm hopeful I can find some of your videos here discussing 6 handed ring game. Thank you for your time and effort, Steven
It's like hanging pieces from both sides in chess to complicate the position, seize the initiative to push the tough questions onto them. Or a double switch in pokemon that renegotiates the initiative for a better position
Plus Ace on the turn, how many people missed that???? I don't see a single comment on that. It's this exactly, but if that turn card was a 5, there's no way he woulda played like this... He his the weaker hand 99 by suggesting he might actually have A9 so Daniel pumped the breaks, he knew Daniel had a big pair, no Ace when he checked that turn... Controlled losses are better than second guessing.
And i got confused after explaining his whatever reason for betting so small on the turn to make daniel backstep and then check it down? On the river? Coulndt agree more u definitely bet the river card after putting daniel on his heels...thats like hitting the breaks in a race to stop the car right before the finish line when he could have barreled and taken the pot
Doug, you simple have to analyze hand Obst vs Ruane from this years WSOP ME (straight flush vs full house) ASAP, would really like to hear from you if you could fold in Obst's shoes on the river ☺
I think Obst played the river quite bad. His sizing OTR is terrible he should just shove and I'm not sure he can fold the river there. Be bet 1/5th pot and then got shoved on for not that much more. People that say this is an easy fold are not doing hand reading. His opponent can really never have a full house OTR because of pre and flop action. This means Obst is putting his opponent on exact one combo and folding. Just because his opponent had it doesn't make it right. He only has to not have it once in a while for this to be a bad fold. River bet sizing is the real sin of the hand tho.
I think Scott may have had a point. Don't get me wrong Doug is obviously an authority on poker over anyone in the comments. However, I don't think it's Daniel's style to reraise with KQ or KJ. That being said when he check calls the turns I think his range is made up of almost exclusively KK QQ JJ and maybe 1010. Maybe I'm wrong I'm curious if anyone else agrees.
If you think Negreanue isn't ever 3 betting out of the blinds with hands like KJ and KQ during a 12 hour a day tournament, then you are mistaken. If polk checks turn, then he allows those hands he's ahead of to bluff him vs. charging them, and when he's behind and checks turn then Daniel can value bet 400-800k and now Polk is in a tough spot with 99....... instead of getting a cheap showdown that cost him only 200k plus control of the pot.
Mark Ingram I'm sure a balanced player like DNegs will 3b these sometimes. I'd be willing to bet that the frequency of these hands in the 3b range is lower when facing a raise then flat (by Doug here) versus facing only a pre flop raise and no other action. Small differences but just my opinion.
Mark, the thing is Negranu is very unlikely going to do the suicide line (bet-check-bet line) as a bluff OTR when he can just keep betting the turn on a card that is likely to hit his 3betting range pretty well. So Doug isn't really charging hands like KJ or KQ because Dnegs would've most likely kept barreling. Also, Daniel could do the same thing back OTR and donk block bet/merge hands like QQ for value and then Doug just loses his 1BB OTT or whatever the bet was when he already has the info that he wanted about Dnegs range no matter if he checked or bet tiny.
Hey Doug, just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos and I appreciate the great insight you give us on such hands and plays. I really don't know why there's such a number of dislikes on your videos. Keep up the work!
Steven Bellm Obviously we fast forward most of his blah blah blah. Trying to rationalize his loss. On to the turn & river. Lose !!! Hear the funny joke & later. Lmao.😅
That comeback to Scott Seiver is so hilarious, and it only took a few years to think of it. It's unfair that it's not actually eligible for an Emmy. I think it would at least get some applause, although not compared to Daniel Negreanu.
So glad I saw this hand! I’ve been looking for vindication that taking control of the board and betting when you’re behind can have value, to isolate their range and resist a large raise coming at you. Would have loved if you shoved at the end, you would have taken that hand down!
If you are making bets based on a range, then what type of bluffs in this spot would you be raising on the river? Obviously, the regular hands like suited connectors would have to bluff because they lack showdown value, and would it be that the pair of nines or low pairs in this position have an obligation to bet at that same value to protect the bluffs? I guess 99 could be somewhere in the middle ground, but would you raise with any low pair in this position?
Watching the poker vids, training the game all while listening to music that makes me sharp and able to achieve. I like Delta Parole, AFi, etc as music, what you guys listen to focus I am curious?
I think you just got scared. Daniel is a great player. If you wanted that 200 to rep an A or pocket 6 then that 6 river was the perfect time to lay a bet. You started to tell a story. And you closed the book after one sentence.
His hand has too much showdown value to turn into a bluff. He has better bluffs-he even says this in the video. He also can’t rep a 6 because that doesn’t make sense in his preflop range. Make enough sense?
Thanks for posting this hand, Doug! I think something just clicked for me with this example. Most people completely miss the point of the play, even Seiver (or maybe he was just being sarcastic). Plays like this are the difference between a winner and a loser over time. Great stuff!
he had set up the narrative by saying his small turn bet would force Daniel to check. ...and the next logical move would be to then bomb the river...but he was too scared to make the right move. If Daniel put you on any better holding, he has to fold and you wont even need to show the cards. Bad river play Polkie
yea I think you can over analyze it... what I don't understand about doug is that he is a great headsup player but imho heads up is easier game where you don't have to analyze that much bet your strength at all times if you have a face card in whole otherwise fold or bet minimum
I’m still pissed. At the end of day 1 in a wsop tournament, Scott seiver sitting across from me says,” let’s play old time poker” and bets double the pot size. I’m trying to make it to day 2 with my big stack, Antonio esfandiari behind me, I turn around see him staring at me. I muck my 99, everyone mucks. He turns over an 8. I was so set on calling it raising there, but being my first tourney with lots of chips, I wanted day 2. So close to calling. Fml
Honestly, I understand the need to make an appealing title to the video, but the gap between what this video title promoted and what the video itself provided is too big and, in fact, counter-productive, imho. Have a dislike in hopes of making some better judgement in the future.
I agree, Maybe if he had gone all in and put his shoes on the table when the A showed up to bluff pair but nooo.. other than that only way you can stun Daniel was if he tasered him.
Nice video, Doug. How can you not dislike Scott? I've watched him since the beginning of his career consistently transcend his previous levels of douche-ry.
I played with him 6 years ago and he can needle you buy I think that you would agree with me that more important thing is that he is reliable, he values his reputation and he doesn't own people money and he hates cheaters and likes to win fair and square. There are a lot of sweet talkers who would never tell anything bad but would talked you into believing them with your money. Yes he can be harsh sometimes but I remember 6 years ago that he was one of the small number of players who would not afraid to say what he thinks to men the master and other cheaters and he was never nice to them. Yes he can be annoying sometimes but I respect his game. He didn't start as a tournament luckbox but he also worked hard like you and has a ton of hands online. He also had downswings posts on 2+2 like you when he was playing 2/4 blinds but he admitted in interviews that in 2008 he ran hot and was lucky.
i click on closed captioning for this video and it's all in Italian. Is that just on my computer? I mean, does google/youtube think for some reason that i'm italian today -- for this video only? or is there some other reason?
Hey doug i have a hand that id like to ask you about. I have AA UTG and i raise 3x and UTG +1 calls and MP player 3-bets to 9x and it folds around to me. I think for a while. I’m very deep at this point at this table. The 3-bettor is also fairly deep. I decided that jamming was the better play due to not wanting to go 3-way to the flop. So i jam and the UTG+1 player folds and 3-bettor thinks for about 10seconds and folds. My question is: is there a better play here or did i make the right move or did i play that badly? Thanks in advance bro!
Lol at that ending, but I was wondering about that bet when i first watched the one drop and now I kinda understand the logic behind it. Its a good thing you didn't try to bluff Daniel on the river though because he is a massive calling station xD
Would you call a 3bet of a conservative sb often with KQs? And float that flop? Im just asking because i was wondering if it would ever make sense to turn some of our sdv (middle'ish pps) into a bluff otr because we then would lack combos to bluff with. And as played wouldnt it be really hard to call otr with his range unless he checks a lot of his Ax ott? Im just a newb, dont be to harsh 😅
daniel looked like he would have no clue what to do if u bombed the river. on the footage it seems like u snap-checked behind. but did u think about firing river?
Doug I really value your analysis. The Poker Guys (Grant Denison and Jonathan Levy) do really great analysis too. I know you guys are sort of competitors in a way, but have you every considered collaborating with them in some fashion? Could be really interesting.
I like it that you have humour about the hand in the end and you didn't leave out Seiver's comment. Great analyzing on the hand. I totally agree with most of what you said but I would have bet the river 99% of the times if I had given Negreanu a pair from TT-KK before that. :)
If Doug would have bet the turn heavier, the hand would be over. Daniel slowed seeing the ace, because he put Doug on at least one ace. The action thus far would totally support that story line. I'm surprised Doug didn't sense that... or at least that my take on this particular analysis. I agree on other points though. Refreshings views and commentary on poker are always welcome when done well. Plus there is some showmanship I feel Doug he is exploring. Fun to see the edits and POV changes. All that takes work and time.. and love. Very cool to see. Smart for sure.
Doug you are talking about KQ and KJ who you beat on the river but isn't KQ and KJ likely to going to bet on the turn since it hit it's ranges way harder, because of the 3-bet pre flop? Would love to hear your opinion!
Doug, from a Game Theory perspective, I don't understand why you don't bet a much larger amount setting up an all for the river with your range. The rationale is that you assume your opponent does not hold Ax+, and is therefore, severely capped. Thus, we can value-bet thinly (and bluff accordingly) using a higher sizing that would extract more value. With regards to 99, I don't think we have enough value hands to turn this hand into a bluff, and therefore, I would check. If our opponent is unaware of our range, we could certainly bet smaller like you said. Although, please enlighten me on this bet-sizing situations, because as previously mentioned, in this post, I would have bet more for my range sizing.
Hey Doug. Thanks for such a great videos. I'm trying to get better at poker and your videos helps a lot. You are THE BEST! You be the way, you are funny as hell haha
Yo Doug I like your vids that being said you talk ALOT. I literally fast forward through a lot of your videos because of it. But I do appreciate your poker insight. I’ve been winning more money since I started watching your videos. So thanks man.
Daniel knows you don't have AK because you would have re raised Sands' open bet with that. And AQ is unlikely too since he is holding QQ. So from that standpoint I don't think he's folding to a river bet. I think by flatting Sands and then flatting Daniel's small blind 3 bet your range is capped at set mining type hands and not a weak Ace like AJ. You saved money by not bluffing.
Let me see if I understood this right. If Doug checks back turn he most certainly gets a tough decision on most rivers when Daniel bets. And Daniel dictates the bet size, most likely a whole lot more than what Doug bet on the turn. But when Doug bets small on the turn Daniel is more likely to check his stronger hands and not bluff with his weaker hands. Doug is calling most rivers, so why not make a small bet on the river, saving some money.
Really learnt alot from the turn move there! For a value betting player like Negreanu, a check on turn would lead to a value bet on river. Plus the ending shit is really funny though LMAO
Seiver is a douchecanoe, no doubt. With that stipulated, why not bluff the river there? You had played your hand a lot like AQ/AJ/A10 suited. Why not bet there and put Daniel's hand in a very tough spot?
Kevin Bailey Finding the fold button is different then your rep though. sure he COULD have found the fold, but if his reputation which he got for good reason is the way it is, why risk it?
btw you are in HJ, sands is UTG+1, right? ante is 70k total means 10k each means, both Kaplan(CO) and the dude sitting next to him(D) are in the hand as well as Seiver...
Lmao leave it to seiver, that illustration is just too good! Scott just wants to tilt the world every chance he gets, have to give it to him, he is on his consta-grind haha.
Nice play Doug! The only small improvement I would offer is Why not take your time on the river? Make him wonder, Are you considering putting in a big bluff, Are you considering value betting, etc. At least he would be feeling weird another 10 seconds, and also the other players will know less about your cards or your way of approaching the game.
I try to crack some jokes when I can, it can be hard trying to do it every episode. I generally just think of a good idea and roll with it, If I had to do it every episode of every video it would be hard to get consistent episodes out. Thanks for the kind words as well btw.
I liked how Negranu laughs at the "not trying to get to a cheap showdown when your hand is never good anyways" as though it's hilarious he plays with his hand face up and everyone should know how tight he is.
As Polk is known for bluffing, most would at least suspect that a large bet is trying to bluff an Ace on the board and a paired board, etc... (i know that's what I;d think)
Really like the route you went on that hand you had a feeling he was Armstrong on the turn so you use potcontrol to see a cheap showdown on the river good play
Viewers are STUNNED by clickbait title
D Bot dog pool care stunned by how much revenue this video generated by angle shooting that title..
check turn, fold river, ez game
Now back to my $0.01/$0.02 zoom
Hahaha
you'll never get there zooming brother
Doug killed it with the Leave it to Seiver bit at the end.
Thanks m8, I like to mix in some lol's
Doug Polk Siever relies too much on an explotative strategy and reading/bullying weakness. Please lay down a monster trap against this pompous guy on tv. It would be so epic. He only talks a big game because he lacks your technical expertise and logic/deduction skills. Gl Doug!
Im here for the Lolz brah
laughed so hard looool :D
Nice! Stick it to him! Seiver's a big awkward douche anyway.
when i cant sleep i listen to doug i rarely get through one of his vids before falling fast asleep
Honestly that is the most time it took to describe a blocker bet to prevent a larger bet on the river by your opponent that I have ever heard... I’ve been watching donkeys do this live for years!! Great work on the postale case lately, you’ve really done a hell of a lot of good for the poker community the last two weeks!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The video title is a bluff like the river should have been.
If you bet the pot he may have folded on the river. Too many hands beat him. Full house and higher two pair. But I'm sure as hell not a pro but just saying
Yeah. Negreanu could NOT believe that INSANE bet!!! CRAZY!!!
Using his name to score clicks on a lame hand -- As Trump would say ..... Sad.
the kidmakes a notion in the title that he outplayed negreanu while truth is he just lost a hand that a bluff might win him .. sadly only a few have the balls to fire the bluff to negreanu lol that guy!
Exactly
Couldn't agree more. Polk had Negreanu backstepping. Polk should have value bet the river and watched his opponent fold.
5 years later I still rewatch the leave it to Siever moment
It wasn't until lately that I have become a winning player online and watching your videos the past few weeks have really helped me. I always did very well playing live in Vegas, but that was also against tourists primarily and regulars who thought they were better than they really were. I find myself spending hours of my days watching your videos and really appreciate the time and effort you put into them. As someone who truly understands the game (better than I did five years ago at least) after a decade of playing, I understand the need to talk about a hand a lot more than most will realize is needed. I even feel as if you could talk even more, but condense it for the average viewers. Although I am winning primarily in PLO and my specialty is NLH, I feel as if your videos will help me to play much better both live and online when I go back to Vegas this Summer. Still to this moment, I don't feel my 6 handed NLH game is strong enough to play professionally online. I'm hopeful I can find some of your videos here discussing 6 handed ring game.
Thank you for your time and effort,
Steven
It's like hanging pieces from both sides in chess to complicate the position, seize the initiative to push the tough questions onto them. Or a double switch in pokemon that renegotiates the initiative for a better position
You're not just a great pro poker player. You're a great video producer too. And a great teacher.
Long story short, "I'm married to my 9's and by playing like this, I got to lose the minimum."
Plus Ace on the turn, how many people missed that???? I don't see a single comment on that. It's this exactly, but if that turn card was a 5, there's no way he woulda played like this... He his the weaker hand 99 by suggesting he might actually have A9 so Daniel pumped the breaks, he knew Daniel had a big pair, no Ace when he checked that turn... Controlled losses are better than second guessing.
And i got confused after explaining his whatever reason for betting so small on the turn to make daniel backstep and then check it down? On the river? Coulndt agree more u definitely bet the river card after putting daniel on his heels...thats like hitting the breaks in a race to stop the car right before the finish line when he could have barreled and taken the pot
When was Daniel ‘stunned’?
when Doug made the INSANE bet
Doug, you simple have to analyze hand Obst vs Ruane from this years WSOP ME (straight flush vs full house) ASAP, would really like to hear from you if you could fold in Obst's shoes on the river ☺
Yeah, great hand, his opponent rarely has a preflop slowplayed JJ-QQ, there are no Tx full houses in his range either. Such a hard fold to make.
Actually isn't a hard fold at all
That was a great hand I hope doug reviews it.
saw that the other night. That fold made me moist.
I think Obst played the river quite bad. His sizing OTR is terrible he should just shove and I'm not sure he can fold the river there. Be bet 1/5th pot and then got shoved on for not that much more. People that say this is an easy fold are not doing hand reading. His opponent can really never have a full house OTR because of pre and flop action. This means Obst is putting his opponent on exact one combo and folding. Just because his opponent had it doesn't make it right. He only has to not have it once in a while for this to be a bad fold. River bet sizing is the real sin of the hand tho.
You can tell how much seiver got to him this video, I mean you gave him like 20 seconds of screen time lmao
the amount of edits he put into that siever compilation at the end of the video is larger than all the edits combined in 20 minutes of poker vids lol.
I think Scott may have had a point. Don't get me wrong Doug is obviously an authority on poker over anyone in the comments. However, I don't think it's Daniel's style to reraise with KQ or KJ. That being said when he check calls the turns I think his range is made up of almost exclusively KK QQ JJ and maybe 1010. Maybe I'm wrong I'm curious if anyone else agrees.
Benjamin Sanford I think you can reasonably put some AK/AQs in Daniels range here as well.
Agree with both. Negreanu loves him some small ball/pot control in NL holdem
If you think Negreanue isn't ever 3 betting out of the blinds with hands like KJ and KQ during a 12 hour a day tournament, then you are mistaken. If polk checks turn, then he allows those hands he's ahead of to bluff him vs. charging them, and when he's behind and checks turn then
Daniel can value bet 400-800k and now Polk is in a tough spot with 99....... instead of getting a cheap showdown that cost him only 200k plus control of the pot.
Mark Ingram I'm sure a balanced player like DNegs will 3b these sometimes. I'd be willing to bet that the frequency of these hands in the 3b range is lower when facing a raise then flat (by Doug here) versus facing only a pre flop raise and no other action.
Small differences but just my opinion.
Mark, the thing is Negranu is very unlikely going to do the suicide line (bet-check-bet line) as a bluff OTR when he can just keep betting the turn on a card that is likely to hit his 3betting range pretty well. So Doug isn't really charging hands like KJ or KQ because Dnegs would've most likely kept barreling.
Also, Daniel could do the same thing back OTR and donk block bet/merge hands like QQ for value and then Doug just loses his 1BB OTT or whatever the bet was when he already has the info that he wanted about Dnegs range no matter if he checked or bet tiny.
Luckily this is the first video of yours I watched. The comedic content made me a fan.
That is funny on another level at the end there. The humor and editing is almost better than the hand
It's the only good bit about the video, the hand was diabolical.
Boom! Tetris For Jeff! For some reason, ClassicTetris put this video on the playlist featuring videos of their 2019 tournament.
I knew this hand already and I wondered as I clicked on this video if you would respond to Seiver's comment. NOT DISAPPOINTED.
hahahaha, omg that's awesome.
Seiver must have felt really good after saying that...but after seeing this video he must feel really stupid.
Rico K Why, he burned him pretty bad...
EricSmyth14 rags on Seiver before explaining how he made one of the stupidest bluffs in history.
I don't know why this video has so many dislikes. This was genius by Polk. Well done man.
LMAO that editing at the end is the absolute nuts. rip Seiver
Hey Doug, just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos and I appreciate the great insight you give us on such hands and plays. I really don't know why there's such a number of dislikes on your videos. Keep up the work!
Anyone else get through the 12 minute video in about 30 seconds?
Steven Bellm Obviously we fast forward most of his blah blah blah. Trying to rationalize his loss. On to the turn & river. Lose !!! Hear the funny joke & later. Lmao.😅
Yes he talks way too much.
Wonder why he even posted this video. He must be proud of being a babbling idiot. LOL
me in 20 sec and 10 sec to reply to u
@@tazzz69dazzermind35 Lmao no, most of us don't, because most of us are here to learn, and realize that the end result barely matters.
The Ad for this Video is selling Daniel Negreanu's online poker classes.
“When we are looking for tells, We are looking for behaviour that is out of the ordinary”
Love your channel mate but this video hurt my ribs. Too funny with the emmies bit at the end. Keep em coming dude
+biskitz86913 That's one of my favorite bits I've done
Doug Polk Poker
Loved it mate
That comeback to Scott Seiver is so hilarious, and it only took a few years to think of it. It's unfair that it's not actually eligible for an Emmy. I think it would at least get some applause, although not compared to Daniel Negreanu.
Heart and Troll lol hey, I enjoyed it
Scott Seiver - "Bang Bang"
PAPI!
Scott Seiver LIKE A BOSS
Shots fired
Lmao
skibbity doop BOP BOP................SKYAH!
So glad I saw this hand! I’ve been looking for vindication that taking control of the board and betting when you’re behind can have value, to isolate their range and resist a large raise coming at you. Would have loved if you shoved at the end, you would have taken that hand down!
Nice title for the video, it got me to click on it,
Time I can never get back. So much over analysis. Thanks
Yup haha "..put him in a tough spot on the turn" giving him 10/1 isn't a tough spot.
If you are making bets based on a range, then what type of bluffs in this spot would you be raising on the river? Obviously, the regular hands like suited connectors would have to bluff because they lack showdown value, and would it be that the pair of nines or low pairs in this position have an obligation to bet at that same value to protect the bluffs?
I guess 99 could be somewhere in the middle ground, but would you raise with any low pair in this position?
AHAHAHAHAHA the scott seiver part was SOOOO GOOD!!! Honestly Doug, great banter, LOVE IT!!! :D
datonegoneboi yeah. Good dig after explaining one of the stupidest bluffs in history against a world class player.
Watching the poker vids, training the game all while listening to music that makes me sharp and able to achieve. I like Delta Parole, AFi, etc as music, what you guys listen to focus I am curious?
I think you just got scared. Daniel is a great player. If you wanted that 200 to rep an A or pocket 6 then that 6 river was the perfect time to lay a bet. You started to tell a story. And you closed the book after one sentence.
Laura Fabian
His hand has too much showdown value to turn into a bluff. He has better bluffs-he even says this in the video. He also can’t rep a 6 because that doesn’t make sense in his preflop range. Make enough sense?
you got fished, this vid is you trying to make excuses
Siever really good at getting into peoples heads.
Seiver is really good at flopping sets vs. overpairs.
Siever is great at growing man boobs...
Scott's set flopping & moob growing/sustaining game is terrific
johno5757 so is your hating/jealousy game bitch.
asdfjk; Just joking bud, fuck I love poker players like you! So great at taking jokes, so socially not awkward and non-autistic. Fucking love it
Your viewers are finally learning to balance that like to dislike ratio
lmaoooo the end was classic, nice vid brotha
Thanks for posting this hand, Doug! I think something just clicked for me with this example. Most people completely miss the point of the play, even Seiver (or maybe he was just being sarcastic). Plays like this are the difference between a winner and a loser over time. Great stuff!
I hear that everything you do conveys information.
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Excellent and thought provoking. You are amazing.
Can pros just say, "It's a $1M buy-in. I was playing scared"
he had set up the narrative by saying his small turn bet would force Daniel to check. ...and the next logical move would be to then bomb the river...but he was too scared to make the right move.
If Daniel put you on any better holding, he has to fold and you wont even need to show the cards. Bad river play Polkie
Can anyone tell me which wsop/event this is from. Am keen to watch it.
when I saw that Leave it to Seiver graphic I insta-subbed.
I didn't watch the river but at the turn, Daniel was putting you on a high pocket pair, he never for a second put you matching the board, No way.
Doug Polk is his own worst enemy.
"hands with a lot of equity on the turn:KQ, K10, KJ"
OMG.
yea I think you can over analyze it... what I don't understand about doug is that he is a great headsup player but imho heads up is easier game where you don't have to analyze that much bet your strength at all times if you have a face card in whole otherwise fold or bet minimum
I’m still pissed. At the end of day 1 in a wsop tournament, Scott seiver sitting across from me says,” let’s play old time poker” and bets double the pot size. I’m trying to make it to day 2 with my big stack, Antonio esfandiari behind me, I turn around see him staring at me. I muck my 99, everyone mucks. He turns over an 8. I was so set on calling it raising there, but being my first tourney with lots of chips, I wanted day 2. So close to calling. Fml
Honestly, I understand the need to make an appealing title to the video, but the gap between what this video title promoted and what the video itself provided is too big and, in fact, counter-productive, imho. Have a dislike in hopes of making some better judgement in the future.
SuckMyCockTH-cam that was a needlessly gay way to phrase that
No it wasn't
have a dislike
I agree, Maybe if he had gone all in and put his shoes on the table when the A showed up to bluff pair but nooo.. other than that only way you can stun Daniel was if he tasered him.
Couldn’t agree more
love your videos Doug.....your ability to explain strategy in an entertaining way is appreciated!!!!
Wow, listening to you talk about poker is like somehow digesting my own diarrhea .
Nasser Al-Haroun 😂
I find it hard to believe that all of this analysis went through your mind in the couple of minutes this game played out
Nice video, Doug. How can you not dislike Scott? I've watched him since the beginning of his career consistently transcend his previous levels of douche-ry.
I don't have any real problems with Scott, he just gets a bit out of line on the banter sometimes.
I hear ya. It's good you don't let that stuff get to you.
the guy is a fat smelly doucheknozzle
I played with him 6 years ago and he can needle you buy I think that you would agree with me that more important thing is that he is reliable, he values his reputation and he doesn't own people money and he hates cheaters and likes to win fair and square. There are a lot of sweet talkers who would never tell anything bad but would talked you into believing them with your money. Yes he can be harsh sometimes but I remember 6 years ago that he was one of the small number of players who would not afraid to say what he thinks to men the master and other cheaters and he was never nice to them.
Yes he can be annoying sometimes but I respect his game. He didn't start as a tournament luckbox but he also worked hard like you and has a ton of hands online. He also had downswings posts on 2+2 like you when he was playing 2/4 blinds but he admitted in interviews that in 2008 he ran hot and was lucky.
i click on closed captioning for this video and it's all in Italian. Is that just on my computer? I mean, does google/youtube think for some reason that i'm italian today -- for this video only? or is there some other reason?
I would love to play a tournament with Gabe Kaplan to my left. How can you not love this guy :) ?
Hey doug i have a hand that id like to ask you about. I have AA UTG and i raise 3x and UTG +1 calls and MP player 3-bets to 9x and it folds around to me. I think for a while. I’m very deep at this point at this table. The 3-bettor is also fairly deep. I decided that jamming was the better play due to not wanting to go 3-way to the flop. So i jam and the UTG+1 player folds and 3-bettor thinks for about 10seconds and folds.
My question is: is there a better play here or did i make the right move or did i play that badly?
Thanks in advance bro!
Lol at that ending, but I was wondering about that bet when i first watched the one drop and now I kinda understand the logic behind it. Its a good thing you didn't try to bluff Daniel on the river though because he is a massive calling station xD
I totally get your point Doug. The scenes you made with seiver at the end.. fucking hilarious
Remember the prime objective:
/Always talk your way past the ten minute mark./
Would you call a 3bet of a conservative sb often with KQs? And float that flop? Im just asking because i was wondering if it would ever make sense to turn some of our sdv (middle'ish pps) into a bluff otr because we then would lack combos to bluff with. And as played wouldnt it be really hard to call otr with his range unless he checks a lot of his Ax ott? Im just a newb, dont be to harsh 😅
daniel looked like he would have no clue what to do if u bombed the river. on the footage it seems like u snap-checked behind. but did u think about firing river?
Damn, Doug, that was a detailed breakdown with a million variables.
"Leave it to Seiver" LMAO
I cannot describe how happy I was when I thought of that
thank you for the ending of this video and the subsequent 2 straight minutes of laughter I enjoyed #AndTheEmmyGoes2 #SelfDeprication
Doug I really value your analysis. The Poker Guys (Grant Denison and Jonathan Levy) do really great analysis too. I know you guys are sort of competitors in a way, but have you every considered collaborating with them in some fashion? Could be really interesting.
I like it that you have humour about the hand in the end and you didn't leave out Seiver's comment.
Great analyzing on the hand. I totally agree with most of what you said but I would have bet the river 99% of the times if I had given Negreanu a pair from TT-KK before that. :)
Who's here in 2019. Just cause poker sucks now ?
If Doug would have bet the turn heavier, the hand would be over. Daniel slowed seeing the ace, because he put Doug on at least one ace. The action thus far would totally support that story line. I'm surprised Doug didn't sense that... or at least that my take on this particular analysis. I agree on other points though. Refreshings views and commentary on poker are always welcome when done well. Plus there is some showmanship I feel Doug he is exploring. Fun to see the edits and POV changes. All that takes work and time.. and love. Very cool to see. Smart for sure.
Cliff notes: Turn is called a "blocker bet"
A blocker bet is a lead bet not a bet in position
Doug you are talking about KQ and KJ who you beat on the river but isn't KQ and KJ likely to going to bet on the turn since it hit it's ranges way harder, because of the 3-bet pre flop?
Would love to hear your opinion!
check on the river?! that tells me your explanation means nothing
Some people critique your play this hand, but at least Seiver confirmed that the turn bet got a cheap showdown.
People who never play at that level think that was a weak play... LOL!
Great information. Thanks! (y)
Love your editing
Ditch the click-bait. You were out played
Doug, from a Game Theory perspective, I don't understand why you don't bet a much larger amount setting up an all for the river with your range. The rationale is that you assume your opponent does not hold Ax+, and is therefore, severely capped. Thus, we can value-bet thinly (and bluff accordingly) using a higher sizing that would extract more value. With regards to 99, I don't think we have enough value hands to turn this hand into a bluff, and therefore, I would check. If our opponent is unaware of our range, we could certainly bet smaller like you said. Although, please enlighten me on this bet-sizing situations, because as previously mentioned, in this post, I would have bet more for my range sizing.
Hey Doug. Thanks for such a great videos. I'm trying to get better at poker and your videos helps a lot. You are THE BEST! You be the way, you are funny as hell haha
Yo Doug I like your vids that being said you talk ALOT. I literally fast forward through a lot of your videos because of it. But I do appreciate your poker insight. I’ve been winning more money since I started watching your videos. So thanks man.
Okay, okay... this is your best ending to a video yet. Well done!
That "leave it to seivier" killed me LMFAO
Daniel knows you don't have AK because you would have re raised Sands' open bet with that. And AQ is unlikely too since he is holding QQ. So from that standpoint I don't think he's folding to a river bet. I think by flatting Sands and then flatting Daniel's small blind 3 bet your range is capped at set mining type hands and not a weak Ace like AJ. You saved money by not bluffing.
dude, watch it again. Might help.
damn what is Doug paying you for coaching?
John Smith I was just saying that Seiver was wrong by suggesting that Doug should have bluffed river. I'm no coach by no means
yes, a bluff in the river is a bad play in this situation
Doug to this and the other older videos are you going to change the subtitle?
Remember the days when men wore their hair like an elf?
Back when men were men and sheep were scared.
Let me see if I understood this right.
If Doug checks back turn he most certainly gets a tough decision on most rivers when Daniel bets. And Daniel dictates the bet size, most likely a whole lot more than what Doug bet on the turn.
But when Doug bets small on the turn Daniel is more likely to check his stronger hands and not bluff with his weaker hands. Doug is calling most rivers, so why not make a small bet on the river, saving some money.
Scott there is no “S” on the word “anyway”. It’s not “anyways”.
Really learnt alot from the turn move there! For a value betting player like Negreanu, a check on turn would lead to a value bet on river.
Plus the ending shit is really funny though LMAO
"Stunned by INSANE bet." Lol right.
I love the tiny bet on the turn with the pocket middle pair
Not sure why you think you played it well
he wasnt stunned, he was actually like "interesting bet, but now im 95% sure im beating you"
Seiver is a douchecanoe, no doubt.
With that stipulated, why not bluff the river there? You had played your hand a lot like AQ/AJ/A10 suited. Why not bet there and put Daniel's hand in a very tough spot?
Daniel is a station and will call down :P
Gideon H I don't think he calls there with an ace on board.
This is Daniel, I think he would call with the ace. he likes the hero calls if we are honest
Espy Gaming I know that's his rep, but I've seen him find the fold button in situations like this.
Kevin Bailey Finding the fold button is different then your rep though. sure he COULD have found the fold, but if his reputation which he got for good reason is the way it is, why risk it?
btw you are in HJ, sands is UTG+1, right? ante is 70k total means 10k each means, both Kaplan(CO) and the dude sitting next to him(D) are in the hand as well as Seiver...
the ending is just too hilarious :D
Lmao leave it to seiver, that illustration is just too good! Scott just wants to tilt the world every chance he gets, have to give it to him, he is on his consta-grind haha.
My boy lost the least amount of chips with this play while also covering for 8s
Nice play Doug! The only small improvement I would offer is Why not take your time on the river? Make him wonder, Are you considering putting in a big bluff, Are you considering value betting, etc. At least he would be feeling weird another 10 seconds, and also the other players will know less about your cards or your way of approaching the game.
LMAO if you weren't a great poker player you could def make it as a comedian Doug
I try to crack some jokes when I can, it can be hard trying to do it every episode. I generally just think of a good idea and roll with it, If I had to do it every episode of every video it would be hard to get consistent episodes out. Thanks for the kind words as well btw.
And look Where are you Now... I enjoy your videos a lot.
The weird and wonderful world of Douglas Polk
Analyze all you want, but lets face facts :
If Negranu has pocket aces, and you have pocket aces - Negranu wins :)
Lets face it. If you spell potato. And literally anyone else spells potato. YOU LOSE.
I liked how Negranu laughs at the "not trying to get to a cheap showdown when your hand is never good anyways" as though it's hilarious he plays with his hand face up and everyone should know how tight he is.
I feel like you over explained why you should of bet more on the turn, it was a fatal mistake!!!
As Polk is known for bluffing, most would at least suspect that a large bet is trying to bluff an Ace on the board and a paired board, etc... (i know that's what I;d think)
Seiver Polk tension growing! maybe this will ease the tension between jungleman and Seiver
Uhhhhh look at me I like to hear my voice and if I talk enough I might even sound super intelligent.... blah blah Jibba jabba
Your attitude is a good example why people like you never be successful in anything
Really like the route you went on that hand you had a feeling he was Armstrong on the turn so you use potcontrol to see a cheap showdown on the river good play