@@perfectblindguy crying? You don’t know how to read a room. We’re pissed and obviously not going to take the SEC/ESPN COLLUSION lying down. FSU earned a spot in the CFP on the field. The SEC got a team in based upon under-the-table, behind the scenes lobbying and glad-handing. Your diaper must be on your head because what you keep spewing smells like baby $hit.
People like to throw around "gaslighting" a lot, but wow this is next level. All of ESPN acting like they have no media influence. And insisting they don't benefit from the matchups that are on their Network. Its insulting 🙄
This! Cry me a river KH… spend weeks pounding the pulpit that Alabama should be in over FSU if they beat Georgia and then wants to cry because nobody in Tallahassee is going to be happy to see ESPN game day much less KH ANYTIME soon… but I can’t imagine he should care
ESPN is being disgusting. They are acting like victims because people are pointing out their bias and corruption. They did the crime and they should take the punishment.
Toledo Coach then was a Guy named Frank Lautenbur who eventually went to Iowa IIRC. Something that might've been just as incredible was the run that Miami of Ohio had in The Seventies with three straight victories in The Tangerine Bowl over then current or eventual SEC Foes in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. The Tangerine Bowl in Orlando is no more having been rebranded as an SEC Showcase named The Citrus Bowl. And Deja Vu to 2023 wasn't Toledo undefeated throughout much of the year? The Rockets QB back in 1971 was an impressive young thrower named Chuck Ealey.🤔🚀🏈B.W.
Disney/ESPN/CFP nefarious plan: 1. To support the ESPN claim that two teams with 1 LOSS is a better optics than a 13-0 team. 2. If Georgia beats FSU them it will support the Disney/ESPN/CFP selection for the playoff. 3. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
Damage control - but they will still make a lot of money - they've just hurt the credibility of college ball. Playing the game doesn't matter - style points and being in the SEC matters.
Kirk is completely missing the point. He was one of the main reasons the whole narrative was curated about FSU being left out of the playoff to begin with… you can’t tell me that didn’t have an effect on the committee’s decision.
Kirk did not miss the point. He is the spoke person for the corrupted Disney/ESPN/CFP. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
@@knighthawks97 exactly. ESPN owns rights to all of the media coverage for the playoff. The committee’s watching these games while most of the personalities at ESPN are commentating these games dragging on and on about how FSU doesn’t deserves to be in.
Yes if UGA won, FSU is in and everything would have been fine. When Alabama won, they had to take Texas at #3 and Bama #4, the only way it would work. Also the SEC commissioner had to sell it by saying one of these is not like the other.
exactly. and kirk and fellow talking heads pushed that narrative all week leading up to the committee decision. they opened the door for the committee's rigged decision. and then afterwards, they congratulated the committee for following their narrative. sick
I'm not even an FSU fan and Kirk if full of sh"t. ESPN absolutely has an impact on how the committee voted. If they would of helped with backing up FSU they would of had a much better shot at getting in. But ESPN and the committee changed the lingo to "best" instead and not "most deserving" so they get the right team in for ratings. If Alabama lost there QB they still get in.
@zippy3984 If it were Alabama in FSU's position Alabama would be in. That's not projecting. Those are facts, and even you know that. Kirk has been saying FSU is going to get the boot even before their QB got injured. You can look it up right here on TH-cam. Whether the committee lets outsiders influence them or not it's biased. Probably because of ratings if I had to guess.
the way he keeps gesticulating and animating, moving his hands and fidgeting with the handpiece..... he is nervous and neurotic and his eyes and body language can't hide it
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think? And Kirk is their spokesperson. That is why he was nervous.
Clemson grad here. Definitely NOT a Noles fan. But I completely agree. If FSU puts out a national champions shirt. I’ll buy it, even if it’s FSU colors. Never seen a travesty of injustice like that in sports.
Your Seminoles won in an easy conference with the easiest in conference schedule in the entire conference. They barely squeaked by most of their games against DECENT not good teams then lost their entire offense. A championship is won not EARNED. And everyone with a quarter of a functional brain knew and knows that they would get blown out against any of the teams currently in the top 4. They'll get blown out by a Georgia team easily
Yes the cluster FSU should have been in with was Washington and Michigan NOT Texas or Alabama. And the reason people are hating on Kirk is that he was grandstanding for FSU to be left out for weeks. Even before Jordan Travis was hurt. Also, the Orange Bowl is lose-lose for FSU. If they win it will be "well UGA wasn't at full strength" and if they lose it will be "see they didn't belong".
@@notpoliticaljustarealist3969 I was not implying Texas to be out. In the video he mentions FSU being "clustered" with Texas and Alabama. My point was FSU should have been considered against Washington and Michigan only, not the two one loss teams. It should have been Mich, Wash, FSU, and Texas.
All you need to know is this. If Alabama was 13-0 and won the SEC but Milroe was out for the last two games you know for a fact they would not be left out and that’s unfair
Depends on who bama played considering bama schedule was harder than FSU . And if bama beat Georgia with their back up who was the number 1 team then bama is getting in . I’ll see if Louisville was a top 5 team and they beat them like that then fsu would have been in but they didn’t this was the same Louisville team that got skull drag by Kentucky who also got skull dragged by bama and Georgia it’s not rocket science. Yalll are just putting your feelings into this without looking at the evidence
There’s no reason why an undefeated winner of a power 5 conference should have been left out. Travis getting hurt had no impact on us being able to win. We showed we can win with 3 different qbs on our roster and that’s more impressive than anything bama or Texas did
@@idawg7332 your defense showed you can win your offense didn’t do you really think you would beat Texas , bama , Ohio state, Michigan, Washington, Georgia , Missouri,lsu with no offense . You had to go into triple option to score a touchdown against Louisville come on man
QB hurt was the excuse they wanted to use. Having said that the SOS, winner of SEC Championship, and beating the number 1 team in the country tends to put you in the playoffs.
Stop cappin'. ESPN went full boar 4 abt 3 weeks comparing FSU to TCU & how they got blown out by UGA. I'm a UGA Fan & no one cared to be equally as loud about how TCU beat Michigan to get to UGA. Y'all helped the Committee reach their decision. Own it.
"There's no conspiracy to keep FSU out" True. Its a conspiracy to keep the SEC in. "Cluster of teams" That’s where the corruption comes in. FSU should never have been in that cluster. Three undefeated teams were the cluster that was in, and then all the one loss teams fighting for the last spot. Quit pissing on me and saying it's raining.
And it kills me how the argument is always the SEC is the best conference (which I’m not disputing) so that’s why teams like Bama and Georgia can get away with easy non conference schedules. But when a team like FSU beats two SEC teams now all of a sudden we wanna critique which SEC teams they played 😂.
By that logic, Liberty would be in that undefeated cluster of teams and in the playoff. The reason that they are not is because SOS matters. It’s not a hard concept
@@Wildcats28100 NICE TRY: The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Historically they are a tough league, but this year they aren't. ACC is 6-4 vs SEC by an average of 14 points per victory. ACC has 2 wins over ND ACC has a winning record vs Big10 The ACC beat each other up and the lazy talking heads decided that means the league is bad, when objectively, it was by far the best league vs other P5 schools, and it's not even close.
Definitely. I'm a GT fan, and in the Paul Johnson days we ruined FSU's seasons several times. I am 100% on FSUs side here, any logical person has to be.
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia. This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
No, I’m sure they know that but it’s a much safer narrative to push and if you say it enough times, maybe people will believe it. Just like the BS they did with their rankings and justifications
@@griftinggamer No. Bama had a tougher schedule and Bama beat UGA...Bama had a better resume.FSU plays in a weaker conference. The ACC is such a joke that they all are leaving the ACC. And FSU lost to jacksonville st.
Because 13-0 doesn’t make you “better” UCF was 13-0 they didn’t get in, you say well they weren’t power 5, Alabama SOS was 5th and played 5 top 25 teams, FsU SOS is 55th and played 3, there conference isn’t that good so I’m not surprised
@@jaxongriffith5321FSU beat 2 SEC teams, including LSU which has the best offense in the conference. They did everything they had to do and then the goal posts were moved at the last minute.
@@ryanpduffy They play Florida every year, the goal post wasn’t moved it’s just there we’re more then 4 teams that’s were good enough to make it and didn’t have two losses no matter who got put in someone would have gotten “screwed” they followed there protocol when comparing teams in terms of conference championship, strength of schedule, similar opponents, and external factors and players and FsU for the short straw you hate it for them but I would have chose bama to in a blind resume and i think many people would as well
No one is saying Herbstreit decided. HERBSTREIT SOLD THE DECISION. He and Rece were already selling this before the decision was supposedly made. Joe ON THE GAME BROADCAST spent the entire ACC championship game downplaying FSU and ignoring the defensive clinic that was being put on. ESPN has a $3 Billion dollar relationship with the SEC. To pretend ESPN was not supporting IN EVERY WAY the exclusion of FSU to guarantee the SEC's seat at the table is asinine. If what you say is true about Travis' injury being part of the selection criteria, then just name one other team in the history of the CFP that this has happened to.
It's more so about the wins than the loses, Michigan beat Ohio st, Washington beat Oregon, Texas beat Bama, Bama beat Georgia. Who did Florida st or Georgia beat that would make them worthy?
It's very simple. Not all schedules are created equal. FSU had the 55th ranked strength of schedule while Bama had the 5th ranked strength of schedule. Having just 1 loss with a significantly harder schedule is much more impressive than being undefeated against a bunch of cupcakes. FSUs best win is Bamas 3rd best win which is LSU.
Disney/ESPN's $3 BILLION contract with SEC will determine that a SECX team will be represented no matter what. Even though Michigan and Washington has the same credential...undefeated and conference champion like FSU.
Ding ding - exactly. Great narrative playing right now. All these guys know who signs their checks. Their not going to stand up for this unless directed to do so by ESPN, so they don't look biased, working off a script.
@@j.akelly9775 The ACC Network is sublicensed out. Look at how much money ESPN has invested in the SEC. SEC schools are paid WAY more from ESPN compared to ACC schools. Getting SEC teams into the playoffs makes ESPN more money. It's why they hype up SEC teams to boost their SOS therefore increasing their ratings, viewers, etc. for "bigger" games of ranked opponents. All about the money.
"Kirk has no say" as if Kirk banging the drum for FSU being left out the past two weeks had zero impact on the members of the selection committee... gimme a break! It doesn't matter if ESPN owns the ACC network, SEC and Alabama are their biggest college football brands! The committee moved the goal posts bc they wanted the matchup of Saban v Harbaugh. They chose SEC bias and ratings over the team that earned it on the field. Plain and simple.
@@noahburns9565 @shitheadith I never said Bama SHOULDNT have gotten in the playoff. There is a strong argument that they should have made the playoff, just not over an undefeated P5 team with a better strength of record.
@davidashton1305 if Louisville had beat Kentucky that most likely would've pushed Florida st in. But they laid an egg. Then Florida st struggled with Louisville more so than Kentucky did.
@@shiTheadith with a 3rd string QB who would not have started in the playoff (the backup was in concussion protocol). Also, if that was the deciding factor, why is Bama winning on a Hail Mary to 6-6 Auburn not weighed against them equally? IMO the fact that FSU found a way to win with the 3rd strong QB is a testament to the strength of their TEAM.
Herby is lying, they showed on college football game day ,how they were going to set everything up. That was in early november. They already knew they were going to screw Florida State. Sooo if a player gets injured, what they are saying is, that team is automatically disqualified.
Herbstreit was caught on live camera celebrating like a little girl when Bama pulled off that miracle play against Auburn. His words and his actions speak for itself
It's interesting how FSU was in the top 4 before the Conference Championship games took place. Then they won their game, while Georgia lost their game. Georgia lost and deservedly they lose their spot in the playoffs. Yet Georgia's loss also took FSU out of the playoffs. How does a top 4 team lose a top 4 spot by winning their final game? Because ESPN says so!?!
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia. This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
What is crazy is that. It was always going to be fsu vs. Georgia. If fsu is not ratings. Why put them against uga in the orange bowl. People better wake up. It's made for Bama to win. And they still will lose Texas by three. National champs
My only problem with the committee and the decision to leave Florida State out is if losing Jordan Travis was the deciding factor, why didn't you drop them to number six or seven after he was injured instead of leaving them at number four all this time?. If they were at 6 or 7 and finished at 5 after championship weekend it would be more understandable but they didn't. They left them at 4 even though they lost their starting quarterback and backup quarterback and didn't look good the previous two weeks. That's my problem..
I'll answer that for you. The left them at number 4 to give them a chance to prove that their team wouldn't have the major drop off without Travis. Unfortunately, they did have a major drop off and at times even looked inept against Louisville. If they played like Ohio St. did years ago with their 3rd string QB, the committee would have had a much tougher decision.
Cincinnati made the playoffs in 21' but an undefeated FSU out of a P5 conference is left out? It just seems wrong. I saw an Oklahoma team shut down FSU in 2000 with no offense. Just saying anything can happen when you step on that field, going undefeated inspite of should stand for something and FSU defense is elite.
@@mrmrsplummer3526 Cincinnati made it in that year because there wasn't anyone else with a win/loss record and of quality that was in reason to get in. You saw an Oklahoma team shut down FSU in 2000, but neither team going into that game was seen as deficient or inept on offense or missing their starting QB. You're conveniently leaving out these details. And not all undefeated records are created equal, but if FSU had just looked halfway decent against Louisville, they wouldn't have this problem.
@@JB-tp6uj I get it but that's just not a football players take, it's a suits take. Games are decided on the field and will always be, everything else is for money and eyeballs. injuries are part of the game and rosters are built for the next man up mentality that's why there's 85 on scholly. How it looks shouldn't matter if you find ways to win, there's 3 phases..
@@mrmrsplummer3526 Style points and how you win have always mattered. Long before the playoffs got started...even long before the BCS when style points often influenced who the media crowned as a national champion. Unfortunately, the ACC did no favors to Florida St. and that championship game did even less to help their cause.
What's more confusing is how Georgia fell from #1 to #6 for losing one of its last 29 games to a playoff team and Ohio State falls from #2 to #7 for losing to the #1 team.
Ohio State fell from 2 to 5, they didn’t play conference title weekend so they were getting jumped if Bama and Texas both won, which they did. Georgia was not getting in over Bama, you can’t discredit Bamas win. Same applies for Texas, who beat Bama.
@@crimsonkings205i think people are getting mad at bama for no reason, it’s not their fault they made the playoff, ppl can’t say bama isn’t a top 4 team when they are they just beat number 1
@@simplerick256ok so now I ask u why would he have FSU out if Travis is not hurt ? Listen to him he loves everything about FSU . He loves them so much that had it been up to him he would have screwed us over as an undefeated with Travis ? With friends like that who needs enemies.
@marquesthouston310 bruh, it was just an opinion. When people have opinions, we should agree or disagree and move on. Yall act like he destroyed your world because he has an opinion different from yall. Smh
@@simplerick256 the only reason Im responding to you is because you addressed this but who makes an opinion based on nothing. Everyone has opinion and we typically give our reason why we feel the way we feel . I ain’t making this that deep but let’s be honest this ain’t about them being anti FSU but they dam sure are pro SEC . Do you really believe had FSU had Travis they were going to drop Alabama from the CFP ? No one believes that and if you do you’re obviously naive. No one believes that no way no how does the SEC get left out .
@@marquesthouston310 Not that this will be received well. But Kirk was not the only one of this opinion. Some of the reasoning behind it is that different people have different valuations when grading these things. For some...like me. I reject the notion of a P5. These conferences are not equal year to year. And being undefeated is not the be all to me. Not when comparing schedules that have this much disparity between them. Some schedules are easier to do that with than others. For me FSU did not get tested at the highest levels of play. Not one on their schedule is a top 10 team or even close to it. Bama had to play 2. 1 in and 1 out of conference. LSU is in rebuild and none of the other ACC teams made the grade. On the other side a traditional grading metric is to basically assume certain teams are good and you only start evaluating them with a microscope when the lose. So if you never lose, no one can ever question your resume. I don't agree with that, never have. My biggest disappointment with the committee is that they have allowed this holdover thinking from the AP/coaches poll era to continue. They also baked this thinking and expectations into their weekly rankings. They wanted teams to bail them out by losing first then they could examine. When it did not happen, they had to release a poll that was more in line with their truest evals. Most of the formula gurus will tell you that the chasm of scheduling differences between team and the continued conference isolation amongst top teams have made comparing schedules with things like SOR and Power Ratings near impossible. Just not enough data points. This is because top teams are avoiding one another in large parts. If I was grading it actually would have low graded Michigan not FSU. Michigan played no out of conference P5 teams and their entire resume is built on the premise that Ohio State and Penn state are good. The biggest win between all of them is Notre Dame....an average team this year at best.
Okay? Georgia destroyed Florida and FSU barely beat them. Alabama destroyed Kentucky and Kentucky destroyed Florida. FSU's best win was Bama's 3rd best win.
@@optimysticquestit doesn’t when you’re undefeated in a power 5 conference. ESPN tried to make that the reason and couldn’t, so they used the Jordan Travis injury because they couldn’t justify it clearly
To answer Pat who said ESPN own's the ACC network so there's no reason for them to want Alabama. But, you're leaving out the obvious fact that ESPN also owns the SEC Network. So you can't be selective with your information you're providing. I love Pat but he can't be selective with what he is saying now that he works for ESPN.
His point went clear over your head apparently. Everyone knows ESPN has the rights to SEC games but apparently the conspiracy theorist don't realize they have the rights to the ACC as well and so the point Pat was making is that ESPN would benefit the same whether FSU or Bama got in.
@@AK-sq1jlthey ‘could’ benefit the same from FSU or Bama. However, if they believe they could get more viewership with Bama, then they benefit more cause higher views = more money. I would bet that Bama would probably draw in more viewers, so they went Bama.
I think that's the exact point he's trying to make. Everyone has been quick to point out SEC's affiliation with ESPN, but they never mention the ACC's affiliation to both ESPN and the committee.
Only if you use logics and respect the integrity of the game. Unfortunately Disney/ESPN's $3 BILLION deal with SEC precludes that. Slightly corrupted you think? And Kirk is their spokesperson.
@@fredrobbins0604 CONCLUSION: In 1993, UNDEFEATED 11-0 West Virginia should have played Nebraska for the Natty INSTEAD OF ONE LOSS FSU, according to HYPOCRITICAL FSU fans today!
@@BBean1 also, it’s much harder when there is only two teams able to play, now that there is 4 teams there is no way a undefeated power 5 team should be left out . Espns own metric had our resume at 3rd best. The ap poll has us 3rd, the Bcs computer has us 3, the coaches poll has us 3, only the playoff has us 4 , and it’s all for money
@@jonathanhouser8194not just the ACC. & regardless, next year when there is the 12 team playoff, there are still going to be no to be teams that get fucked over.
I like how they always bring up Louisville but never the fact it was a 3rd string quarterback that wouldnt be the starter in the playoff. Every clip you see they never mention that, just the performance.
Why don't you blame Norvell? He allowed JT to play in a meaningless game and then JT got injured. That shows you that Norvell is a dumb coach. Norvell screwed the noles.
@@perfectblindguy that comment is useless as well. Name one college football coach that just starts their second string quarterback with an undefeated season on the line and college football playoff aspirations? Absolutely none. Name one coach that just starts their second string QB? I'll wait!. None they all start their starter until the game is under control then throw their second stringer in their. Because the game counts no matter who it is. Lol. Use your head and blame yourself for that comment and thought process! 😂
This is complete BS, Kirk had FSU OUT of the playoffs even before the Travis injury…. So nobody’s gonna buy it when he now keeps using the Travis excuse over and over…..the TEAM went 13-0 not the quarterback!
It’s not anti FSU it was just pro SEC. FSU just got caught in the crosshairs. God forbid we have a playoff without an SEC team in a year when they were down. But we have no problem with years when the SEC had two teams in the playoff. Had UGA beat Bama it would have been Georgia, Michigan, Washington, FSU.
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia. This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
@@perfectblindguy the SEC began the season collectively overrated. As usual. The mantra all year for objective commentators was “GA isn’t nearly strong as the past 2 teams.” But still, Ohio State loses and GA is right back to number one. The SEC bias will persist as long as ES-pee in has the most authoritative voice in EVERY room. They have billions $$$ of reasons why…the shift will happen sooner rather than later Wait for it…it’s coming.
FSU is 13-0 Power5 Conference Champion like Michigan and Washington. The Sesame Place noise is just that, noise with subjective opinions. The game is played on the field for 60 mins and not through broadcasters or a smoky filled basement. The correct and rightful order: Mich, Wash, FSU then the rest. The 2023 playoff will always be a consolation game without FSU. Thank you ESPN for degrading the integrity of the game with $$$$$ greed.
Why should FSU have to win a 14h time to say look we should have been in the playoffs? They accomplished everything they needed to do by going undefeated in the regular season and then winning their conference.
So did Liberty, read the rules: 2. Strength of schedule ...Alabama 5th , FSU 56th ...H U G E advantage for Alabama ( H U G E advantage Alabama) 5. Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.... FSU is without it's best player and the team has averaged just over 50% of the average yards per game without him (224 & 219 YPG). That's output worse than the 133rd team in the FCS in terms of yards per game. That 133rd ranked team lost to the two ranked teams they played 31-0 and 26-0. FSU can play defense with the best of them but you have to be able to score points. All factors are a wash except for 2 and 5 and FSU is way, way way behind in both.
Intellectually dishonest conversation. Let's not mention that FSU beat a top 15 team in the conference championship by multiple possession with a 3rd string QB AND would also be getting their 2nd string QB and their best DT (that hasn't played all season bc of another dumb rule) to add to an already dominant defense. Clown show
The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Historically they are a tough league, but this year they aren't. ACC is 6-4 vs SEC by an average of 14 points per victory. ACC has 2 wins over ND ACC has a winning record vs Big10 The ACC beat each other up and the lazy talking heads decided that means the league is bad, when objectively, it was by far the best league vs other P5 schools, and it's not even close.
FSU should've been in easily over Texas. The whole "Texas has to be in since they beat Bama" is ridiculous, by that logic Oklahoma should be in too since they beat Texas!
Oklahoma is a two loss team that didn't even contend in their Conference Championship. The reason Texas's win over Bama mattered is because they are a 1 loss Conference Champion in contention for the playoffs.
No, that logic doesn't work because Oklahoma had two losses and weren't a conference champion. FSU's schedule and the ACC weren't good this year. And head to head matters when the two parties have similar resumes.
Yeah, Texas was surprised to get in. You could see they weren't expecting to... hoping for it. But not expecting it. They were surprised that they did after.
What really frustrates me as a UGA fan is the harm this decision does to FSU and the ACC long-term. This decision tells every college recruit which is the best program to get into if they want to compete for a national championship. The long-term negative effects to the sport of college football far exceed any ratings win they get this year.
Tbh I would think in todays world kids are more motivated by NIL and their NFL chances than winning championships….FSU will be fine if anything it’ll motivate Norvell more.
@@kcbandit6948 LOL. The SEC is so overrated. Please stop sucking your own peepee already. Ole Miss, Tennessee, Missouri and LSU are so overrated and have inflated records from playing the rest of the mediocre and bottom feeders that make up the rest of the conference. Tennessee beat absolutely no one and bottom feeds, and was ranked in the top 25 after 4 loses is a joke. Georgia and Alabama are always the best teams and get to inflate their resumes when they beat up the rest of the overrated SEC. Alabama played 2 out of conference games - they lost to Texas by 10 at home and barely beat USF. Georgia didn't even play anyone. LSU and Alabama were the only schools that scheduled a tough out of conference games. That's why the ACC had a better head to head record and the SEC had a losing record against the rest of the conferences because the conference is overrated.
@@kcbandit6948You must not know how terrible the SEC east is. UGA SOS was lower than FSU before they played Bama. Even the SEC West was down this year. The SEC is just UGA, Bama and everyone else.
Agreed. Kirck as become the chief propaganda mouth piece for the $$$$$ Disney/ESPN that just signed a $3 BILLION deal with SEC conference. Slightly corrupted you think?
@zippy3984 I have no idea if there was a "conspiracy" against FSU. If there was, KH wouldn't say. If there was JP wouldn't know or say. Pate has become more balanced in his coverage of CFB then when he started, but SEC fans are still the majority of his base.
@zippy3984 The deal between The SEC and ESPN is not a small part of the network's CFB revenue. ESPN probably never sat down with the CFP committee and directly said exclude FSU and make sure an SEC school gets in, but it would certainly be implied and known that that's what they want. And even if some kind of deliberate conspiracy was proven, it wouldn't hurt the ESPN bottom line by their loss of credibility. They've already lost credibility with a large portion of CFB fans. Casual fans don't care and the rest of us are CFB junkies, and ESPN is one of the main providers of the content we need to use. We're tuning in on Saturdays.
@zippy3984 Bama is annually the 2nd or 3rd most watched team in CFB. OSU is number 1, but it would certainly have been a blatant display as a choice merely for higher TV ratings if they were selected this year. And what were the ratings last year with TCU in the championship game as compared to previous years?
My problem with Kirk was 4 years ago he goes on a famous rant about FSU and how bad our program was (rightfully) and 4 years later we have one of the best cultures in college and fought without our QB only allowed 1 TD in the past two games. Beat a top 15 team with our 3rd QB. And he’s cheerleading for us not to make the playoffs. And yes everyone is at fault for this the ACC, the system, espn everyone bc it’s a popularity contest and not who deserved it. Bama had their playoff game in September at home against a Texas team that they were a 7 point favorite of and they lost. At the end of the day everyone that doesn’t think this matters bc we are going to a 12 team playoff next year just wait. 4 loss SEC teams will get in over a 2 loss ACC teams, better seedlings will go to the big 2 conferences and it’s basically going to be a SEC vs Big 10 invitational.
@@terryfredrick5149 it’s going to be 9 teams made up of SEC and BIG 10 and 2 teams of ACC/Big12 and a g5 if they don’t change it and say a G5 don’t get a bid
Herbie is the biggest two face in college football. He would go onto your local radio station to hype up your team then goes on TV to trash your team. Biggest tool out there 🔧
It should’ve been the 3 undefeated teams and then decide on the 1 loss teams. That is the only thing that makes any sense. An undefeated season beats a 1 loss season anywhere anytime. Alabama almost lost to Auburn, Georgia lost with their 2 best receivers out. Shouldn’t that help Georgias case if players being hurt matters?
I wonder if you'll keep that same energy when a Big 12 team goes undefeated next year by beating BYU, UCF, and Baylor and tell me they automatically should be ranked over a 1 loss Georgia who has to play Bama(probably twice), Texas, Clemson, Ole Miss, Tennessee, etc. I mean it's a P5 conference and undefeated beats 1 loss right? So let's just always remember to do that and not apply any logic of who played who, lets just sort records. That make sense? Or does it just make sense one year when it helps your team?
@@jarradrice5455 you still have to rank teams, what are you talking about? The logic you want to use to rank teams still matters because it is the difference between a bye week, or having to play and losing a game the first Rd. You don't get to pick which way you want to rank only when it benefits your team
They had a chance to actually have a Cinderella story with a team winning a Natty without their QB and leader. Could have been a great story. Not to mention, those kids at FSU got screwed.💯🤷🏻♂️
Who does FSU deserve to be in over? Alabama beat the best team in the nation when no1 could and won the SEC Championship. Texas beat the only team that defeated Georgia within 2 entire season and won their conference Championship. Washington beat Oregon and the potential heisman winner twice in one season. Michigan, like FSU, went undefeated with an arguably tougher schedule and won their conference championship. No major key players are missing from these 4 teams that will severely effect the outcome of a game. Why are FSU fans so entitled to think that winning out their weak schedule was enough to go to the playoffs without their QB when other teams had more adversity to overcome in their schedule? FSU fans thinks that Alabama beating Georgia was nothing and what Georgia accomplished was something common. I'm not impressed with Michigan (TCUs' punching bag) but they have their starter.
@@mattalwayslearning2184 you are correct but that's why we have underdog stories. That one injury effectively ruined it for the rest of the team. It's a bad message to send when we're picking and choosing the final 4, especially since Texas was like the 6th seed before they were magically selected to number 3. It was BS and the only people not admitting are fans of the four that got into the CFP or they're gator or cane fans... that's it 🤷🏻♂️
@@DeRocco21 exactly. Nobody cares unless it's their own team. ACC was subjectively 🗑️ and it was the conference left out. That's what happens when you have 4 spots for 5 conferences.
@@DeRocco21 we’re mad now because they chose this year to do something completely unprecedented and use a bunch of old guys in suits to decide the games that are supposed to happen on a field.
You notice he said if Michael Penix of Washington got hurt then they might’ve been left out ? What about Alabama ? If their QB or Georgia’s Qb got hurt and they still won the last two games .. you can’t tell me they would’ve left them out the playoffs!
If Bamas quarterback got hurt they probably would have put Georgia in lol. A quarter back less Bama and FSU wouldnt deserve it over a healthy Georgia or Ohio st. Stop being conspiracy theorists
Milroe wasn’t benched because of Texas, he was suspended by coach for violating team rules. Wish that would have got more attention in the news but it is a cool story that he was benched for performance and then comes back and makes the playoffs.
ESPN, as of this writing, does not have an exclusive contract with the SEC. But ESPN does have an exclusive contract with the ACC. So wouldn't ESPN push for FSU or Bama?
When they start making up excuses why a 13-0 doesn't get in then you know there corrupt, I remember a couple years ago Herbstreit said he didn't even want to talk about FSU because they were playing bad. This FSU deserved the chance to play for a championship cut and dry 🇺🇲🏈💪
That is not cut and dry. FSU played in a weak conference. Bama had the better resume. Bama beat the number one team in the country. This FSU team will not beat UGA. When UGA beats FSU, all the FSU crybabies will finally shut up. RTR
Herb is tripn.... It's not a cluster of teams to decide from when 1 power 5 is undefeated. He's acting as if they all had 1 loss or were undefeated. No integrity. Just flawed justification for what they think and want. Agree with Pat though. Been saying claim National Champs after you beat back to back champs.
ABSOLUTELY NO. With the Disney/ESPN $3 BILLION deal with the SEC...a SEC team will always have a place in the play off even though the SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year.
Depends imo the issue isn’t the backup QBs Ohio state had one one year and won their conference championship by 60 points it’s that they looked inept against inferior competition in a league where style points matter
The Disney/ESPN do not care about losses. Just TV ratings. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
The committee watches the broadcasts. During the ACC championship game, Jesse Palmer made that very clear that the committee was watching and was openly lobbying for Bama to go in over FSU, an ESPN broadcast.
@zippy3984 also, please name the four more ACC folks beyond Boo because I’m not seeing it. Maybe Jim Grobe who is retired Wake HC but he has always hated FSU so not expecting and advocate there.
@@crimsonkings205then it means that somehow winning the big 12 by 28 and sec by 3 suddenly made them better than a team without Jordan Travis that won the acc by 10 after they were three spots apart (FSU without JT and Texas). That is a bit sus to me
It's worth mentioning that a lot of backup QB's given a month of preparation could, at minimum, pull off an upset with that defense. I'm just saying Greg McElroy won a 🏆 going 6/11 for 58 yds with a running game and a defense. Wasn't he your starter?
100%. Kirk has influence and indirectly has a say. Tim Brando even pointed this out. People also forget this happened few times in the past to teams that got screwed out of playing the championship game. Coaches lobbying for BCS bowl games. But this never happened to an undefeated Power 5 conference.
The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
As an FSU fan/alum, I'm not upset with Herbie at all ot buy into some of these conspiracy theories I've heard. What I am confused about is the change of protocol it seems like. All I've heard since the committee started is, "We don't project or predict." Thats exactly what they did.
The protocol didn't change, but the precedence did. An undefeated power 5 champ has never been left out, but neither has the penultimate number 1 dropped out of consideration. The system isn't corrupt, but it was flawed from the beginning. Unfortunately for FSU, their strength of schedule and QB injury hurt them badly.
@@barryklinger5229 SOS? FSU have eight wins this season over bowl-eligible Power 5 conference teams, the most in the country, and also are tied for the national lead with four wins in games it trailed by at least 10 points. FSU was the only team that produced a stretch in which it outscored its opponent by at least 17 points in every regular-season game in 2023, and its eight games with a plus-24 scoring run ranked second.
It does feel like something changed... my best guess the committee was kinda letting things play out in the hopes chaos would make it easy to choose. But they got the wrong kind of chaos.
@@georgewilson4245 it's not about beating the 6-6 and 7-5 teams. It's about your Tier 1 elite wins. How about playing 0 teams that finished in the Top 10 while the 4 playoff teams all have at least 1 Top 10 win. On top of that, the two losses in the CFP were to teams better than FSU played all season. It's about you at your best and FSUs best was beating LSU with a Heisman level QB who is not playing anymore. Blame the ACC for your best win being a home game against the 5th best SEC team.
The committee medically discriminated against FSU. That's what happened. Kirk shilling for a committee that took his talking points about why FSU should be excluded, even with their starting qb is not a surprise and is still despicable. They never valued FSU's wins, even though they covered the spread against a "mighty" SEC team and a top 15 CFP ranked team. They won both of those games with what the committee essentially called "potatoes" at qb.
FSU should ve the NO 3 seed period they deserve to be there and its not hard to figure out lol FSU didnt lose a game and beat sec teams football is a team sport and that defense is serious should be : WSSHINGTON, MICHIGAN, FSU AND TEXAS
Wrong, FSU lost their starting QB and their offense proved to be a steaming pile of dung. Losing key personnel is a factor the committee looks at...stop crying
I think the committee had a tough decision to make either way. The only FSU game I watched all season was the ACC championship. It was painful to watch. Both offenses were inept. After watching the Georgia/Alabama game, it looked like a JV game. FSU went undefeated by playing against a mediocre schedule, beating two ranked teams. FSU beat two SEC teams--LSU in a down year and a 5-7 Florida team. That's hardly a ringing endorsement. The opening line on the Orange Bowl is Georgia by 14. Given the adversity of losing their star QB, I think FSU did well. But if the CFP committee's job is to choose the best 4 teams for the playoffs, the hard truth is that FSU is not one of them.
So from what the committee just did, they are letting every team know to go hurt the main player on a top 4 team and that team will be out the playoffs.
The issue I'm having is there's no way 2 one loss teams jump ahead of undefeated FSU, FSU defense is legit not even saying they'll win but it would've been close
It is real simple. The cinnamon rolls cannot win a title without Travis. The cinnamon rolls will not beat UGA. The cinnamon rolls are not a top ten team right now. Their D looked good against the ACC...but the ACC is weak.
Sure, the whole circus is worth billions every year but no funny business despite all the funny business… Don’t believe your lying eyes folks, Kirk is super honest
Georgia lost the SEC champion by three and dropped all the way from 1 to 6. The 4th and 4 first down by Alabama should be reviewed and overturned. It's an incomplete pass. The Alabama wide receiver caught the ball. The reply clearly shown the ball roll off the hand under the body. The next play, BAMA scored a touch down. That bad call cost Georgia SEC championship game and play off. The bad also cost FSU the seat at the Champion game. Four 0 loss conference champions are in. There should not be any argument. The committee had to put Texas in if they put BAMA in. Texas has head to head win again BAMA. All because of that bad call. 😞
Exactly! Plus, I love how everyone is overlooking/forgetting about MICHIGAN CHEATING! Cheaters shouldn't be allowed to take place in any bowls, playoffs, or championships!
News Flash - Milroe has gone down in week 11 but there backup QB guided the team to a dominate win over their next two opponents. Backup goes down but third string QB guides Alabama to a dominate win in the conference championship thanks to the same suffocating defense that performed in the previous weeks. On selection Sunday Bama is chosen to participate in the CFP. ESPN - Defense wins games and this Bama team has shown that they deserve to be in the playoffs thanks to one of the most dominating defenses in the country. They earned it on the field. The more you try to defend the indefensible the worse you look.
Kirk don't bother coming back Tallahassee and keep GameDay away as well. Doesn't really matter what any of you say any longer. Espn is the worst thing for this sport even outside of the playoff.
Kirk Herbstreit has enormous influence on the entirety of College Football. Are you guys really serious? He lobbied on live TV many times to have FSU excluded. SMH…
ESPN is doing damage control. The cluster of teams is Alabama, Texas & Georgia because they all have 1 loss and common opponents FSU 45 LSU 24, Alabama 42 LSU 28.
Alabama and Georgia had a common opponent of Ole Miss. Georgia won 52-17 and bama won 24-10. But..... Georgia didn't beat bama. So I don't like the common opponent argument. Try another one
If bylaws are listed under "other factors" then to most people it seems like those other factors like injury would be considered if say all 5 power 5 conference champions were undefeated. The committee had never done this before and kirk knows that! Also he was pushing leave fsu out before JT got hurt. Trying to save face. Everyone saw his reaction on the prayer pass against auburn. And to say it's only FSU fans who are pissed isn't factual.
There is no excuse to exclude FSU and put in Alabama who needed a miracle to beat 5-loss Auburn two weeks ago. UGA lost one game in two years and suddenly went from number 1 to 6. There is no justification for this other than a completely corrupted process that allows this kind of jerry-rigging at the end to put in who they want. If FSU beats UGA, they should be crowned national champs.
I think you can say with fairness that FSU deserves to be in, but to say there is no reason to exclude them is just crazy talk. They lost their dominant QB, they looked pretty bad in the last several games, their actual SOS is below Bama who had more quality wins... the list goes on and on. Anyone who lost in their championship game was gonna drop to #6 or below... especially if all the other teams around won. To claim corruption is a bad excuse... all FSU had to do was dominate Louisville or even play them like Michigan played Iowa, and they are in.
This is why you cant rank based purely on win/loss all season! none of this would have been an issue if they had been applying the criteria all year long and not just at the very end. it would lead to more accurate rankings through the year that actually mean 1 is the best team, 2 is the second best team, 3 is the third and so on. Not who had the easiest schedule and gets more gimme games week to week.
Except that doesn't apply in this case. FSU's resume' was just a strong as any of the undefeateds and stronger than those teams with one-loss. They actually do what you are asking here. And they stopped doing it in the final rankings.
Herbstriet always has had nothing but negative things to say and has been cheering for the other team during live broadcast during FSU games. He shouldn't be allowed to commentate an FSU game but it is what it is.
What people need to understand is the guidelines of missing personnel, common opponents, eye test, etc...are meant to be applied "ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL". FSU never should have been compared against anyone but Washington and Michigan.
alabama lost to texas barely beat auburn who lost to new mexico state barely beat ucf so if u wanna go by eye test barely beating arkansas barelly beating Texas AM so leave the eye test out of it there was nothing impressive about alabama this year except for the win over georgia
My problem with 12 teams is that these corrupt bastards (cheerleaded by Kirk) will basically pack 4 or 5 SEC teams into the playoff before they even consider an ACC number 2 team.
What about the argument that the teams have to be COMPARABLE? ‘Bama had their chance to go undefeated and lost, at home. FSU was undefeated so all I’ve been saying is that the because of this the teams are not comparable!!! I don’t understand how it got down to these bylaws.
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To be VERY clear… it is not only FSU fans who think the fix was in on this whole deal!
FSU fans are the only one crying and need a diaper change.
@@perfectblindguy crying? You don’t know how to read a room. We’re pissed and obviously not going to take the SEC/ESPN COLLUSION lying down. FSU earned a spot in the CFP on the field. The SEC got a team in based upon under-the-table, behind the scenes lobbying and glad-handing. Your diaper must be on your head because what you keep spewing smells like baby $hit.
People like to throw around "gaslighting" a lot, but wow this is next level. All of ESPN acting like they have no media influence. And insisting they don't benefit from the matchups that are on their Network. Its insulting 🙄
This! Cry me a river KH… spend weeks pounding the pulpit that Alabama should be in over FSU if they beat Georgia and then wants to cry because nobody in Tallahassee is going to be happy to see ESPN game day much less KH ANYTIME soon… but I can’t imagine he should care
ESPN is being disgusting. They are acting like victims because people are pointing out their bias and corruption. They did the crime and they should take the punishment.
Pat, please stop saying 29 wins has never been done before. FSU did it in 2012-2014
Toledo 33 wins, 0 losses 1969-1971
And they wanted FSU to not be in playoff then. Praying they’d lose
Toledo Coach then was a Guy named Frank Lautenbur who eventually went to Iowa IIRC. Something that might've been just as incredible was the run that Miami of Ohio had in The Seventies with three straight victories in The Tangerine Bowl over then current or eventual SEC Foes in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. The Tangerine Bowl in Orlando is no more having been rebranded as an SEC Showcase named The Citrus Bowl. And Deja Vu to 2023 wasn't Toledo undefeated throughout much of the year? The Rockets QB back in 1971 was an impressive young thrower named Chuck Ealey.🤔🚀🏈B.W.
Making Miami of Ohio's achievement even more incredible was that both Florida and Georgia of course nabbed multiple Natties eventually.🤔🐊🐶🐺🏈🏆🏆B.W.
Oklahoma has the record at 47!
The damage control from ESPN is getting insane.
Disney/ESPN/CFP nefarious plan: 1. To support the ESPN claim that two teams with 1 LOSS is a better optics than a 13-0 team. 2. If Georgia beats FSU them it will support the Disney/ESPN/CFP selection for the playoff. 3. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
They really thought everyone was gonna agree with them.
Damage control - but they will still make a lot of money - they've just hurt the credibility of college ball. Playing the game doesn't matter - style points and being in the SEC matters.
Running cover
@@vantarpon6849FSU is more than welcome to join SEC if thethey want I don’t think the SEC will say no.
SEC pawn. Please do FSU fans a favor and never come back to Tallahassee!
Get counseling
Seek therapy, nobody gives AF about your feelings.
Kirk you are not gona be welcomed to call our games
Kirk is completely missing the point. He was one of the main reasons the whole narrative was curated about FSU being left out of the playoff to begin with… you can’t tell me that didn’t have an effect on the committee’s decision.
Kirk did not miss the point. He is the spoke person for the corrupted Disney/ESPN/CFP.
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
And he deflects it by saying I’m not on the committee yet the whole committee is listening and watching hmm during the games
exactly. insulting that pat suggests kirk has no influence. get real.
I agree he started lobbying before the QB got hurt. Herbstreit was wrong.
@@knighthawks97 exactly. ESPN owns rights to all of the media coverage for the playoff. The committee’s watching these games while most of the personalities at ESPN are commentating these games dragging on and on about how FSU doesn’t deserves to be in.
ESPN couldn't fathom excluding the SEC, and couldn't include Bama without Texas. That's what happened.
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
End of story
Yes if UGA won, FSU is in and everything would have been fine. When Alabama won, they had to take Texas at #3 and Bama #4, the only way it would work. Also the SEC commissioner had to sell it by saying one of these is not like the other.
exactly. and kirk and fellow talking heads pushed that narrative all week leading up to the committee decision. they opened the door for the committee's rigged decision. and then afterwards, they congratulated the committee for following their narrative. sick
Yep, they are that stupid and caught up in themselves.
I'm a FSU fan. I'm at war against ESPN.
You mean Disney/ESPN, the $$$$ machine. I have already cancelled Disney/HULU. TH-cam
I love it how they made comments each week against FSU and now ESPN is playing victim.
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@@fast02gt Dropped my cable and Disney subscriptions. May the $ sanctions increase against Big Money.
I’m not an FSU fan. However, I am a college football and justice fan, so I will join you.
I'm not even an FSU fan and Kirk if full of sh"t. ESPN absolutely has an impact on how the committee voted. If they would of helped with backing up FSU they would of had a much better shot at getting in. But ESPN and the committee changed the lingo to "best" instead and not "most deserving" so they get the right team in for ratings. If Alabama lost there QB they still get in.
Just like when Tua got injured, and backup Jalen Hurts won the Champioship for Alabama
@zippy3984 If it were Alabama in FSU's position Alabama would be in. That's not projecting. Those are facts, and even you know that. Kirk has been saying FSU is going to get the boot even before their QB got injured. You can look it up right here on TH-cam. Whether the committee lets outsiders influence them or not it's biased. Probably because of ratings if I had to guess.
I've lost all respect for Herb... My Seminoles earned it period. You can tell he is bothered because he knows its wrong...
the way he keeps gesticulating and animating, moving his hands and fidgeting with the handpiece..... he is nervous and neurotic and his eyes and body language can't hide it
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think? And Kirk is their spokesperson. That is why he was nervous.
@@RocaWood exactly... The body language is showing it big time!
Clemson grad here. Definitely NOT a Noles fan. But I completely agree. If FSU puts out a national champions shirt. I’ll buy it, even if it’s FSU colors. Never seen a travesty of injustice like that in sports.
Your Seminoles won in an easy conference with the easiest in conference schedule in the entire conference. They barely squeaked by most of their games against DECENT not good teams then lost their entire offense. A championship is won not EARNED. And everyone with a quarter of a functional brain knew and knows that they would get blown out against any of the teams currently in the top 4. They'll get blown out by a Georgia team easily
Yes the cluster FSU should have been in with was Washington and Michigan NOT Texas or Alabama. And the reason people are hating on Kirk is that he was grandstanding for FSU to be left out for weeks. Even before Jordan Travis was hurt. Also, the Orange Bowl is lose-lose for FSU. If they win it will be "well UGA wasn't at full strength" and if they lose it will be "see they didn't belong".
If you do..." not Texas or bama". That's only 3 teams lmao. TEXAS should have been in at the 4 seed at worst.
@@notpoliticaljustarealist3969 I was not implying Texas to be out. In the video he mentions FSU being "clustered" with Texas and Alabama. My point was FSU should have been considered against Washington and Michigan only, not the two one loss teams. It should have been Mich, Wash, FSU, and Texas.
@@ryanhoffmann9341fsu=Failure state university
i will buy you a baby bottle..will that make you happy?
Nah, Alabama is, by far, a better team than FSU and the Orange Bowl proved that. You can stop your bitching and go home now.
All you need to know is this. If Alabama was 13-0 and won the SEC but Milroe was out for the last two games you know for a fact they would not be left out and that’s unfair
Depends on who bama played considering bama schedule was harder than FSU . And if bama beat Georgia with their back up who was the number 1 team then bama is getting in . I’ll see if Louisville was a top 5 team and they beat them like that then fsu would have been in but they didn’t this was the same Louisville team that got skull drag by Kentucky who also got skull dragged by bama and Georgia it’s not rocket science. Yalll are just putting your feelings into this without looking at the evidence
There’s no reason why an undefeated winner of a power 5 conference should have been left out. Travis getting hurt had no impact on us being able to win. We showed we can win with 3 different qbs on our roster and that’s more impressive than anything bama or Texas did
@@idawg7332 your defense showed you can win your offense didn’t do you really think you would beat Texas , bama , Ohio state, Michigan, Washington, Georgia , Missouri,lsu with no offense . You had to go into triple option to score a touchdown against Louisville come on man
QB hurt was the excuse they wanted to use.
Having said that the SOS, winner of SEC Championship, and beating the number 1 team in the country tends to put you in the playoffs.
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Stop cappin'. ESPN went full boar 4 abt 3 weeks comparing FSU to
TCU & how they got blown out by UGA. I'm a UGA Fan & no one cared to be equally as loud about how TCU beat Michigan to get to UGA. Y'all helped the Committee reach their decision. Own it.
What? Are you a bot, or just that illiterate?
Bama deserves the spot just stop it
Kirk was already laying the seeds to justify leaving us out before Travis was even hurt
TCU was not in the league with Georgia...get over it
@@morganwartman8507 how?
"There's no conspiracy to keep FSU out" True. Its a conspiracy to keep the SEC in.
"Cluster of teams" That’s where the corruption comes in. FSU should never have been in that cluster. Three undefeated teams were the cluster that was in, and then all the one loss teams fighting for the last spot.
Quit pissing on me and saying it's raining.
And it kills me how the argument is always the SEC is the best conference (which I’m not disputing) so that’s why teams like Bama and Georgia can get away with easy non conference schedules.
But when a team like FSU beats two SEC teams now all of a sudden we wanna critique which SEC teams they played 😂.
By that logic, Liberty would be in that undefeated cluster of teams and in the playoff. The reason that they are not is because SOS matters. It’s not a hard concept
@@taylorwynn8696 Liberty? a P5 conference Champion? NEXT>
@@Wildcats28100 NICE TRY:
The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Historically they are a tough league, but this year they aren't. ACC is 6-4 vs SEC by an average of 14 points per victory. ACC has 2 wins over ND ACC has a winning record vs Big10 The ACC beat each other up and the lazy talking heads decided that means the league is bad, when objectively, it was by far the best league vs other P5 schools, and it's not even close.
Bama is better that FSU, Texas, Wash. and Mich. Now kiss off bewch
It’s not Just FSU fan upset . ESPN Pat and Kirk is tone death
Definitely. I'm a GT fan, and in the Paul Johnson days we ruined FSU's seasons several times.
I am 100% on FSUs side here, any logical person has to be.
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia.
This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
No, I’m sure they know that but it’s a much safer narrative to push and if you say it enough times, maybe people will believe it. Just like the BS they did with their rankings and justifications
You mad 😝
@@griftinggamer No. Bama had a tougher schedule and Bama beat UGA...Bama had a better resume.FSU plays in a weaker conference. The ACC is such a joke that they all are leaving the ACC. And FSU lost to jacksonville st.
The fact that we are talking about this 5 days later means we all know FSU got screwed.
Yep. Good point.
I think it's gonna be much longer than that - 5 years?
That’s true and they’re trying to justify the unjustifiable
Or the fans can’t let it go
@@SJiglerif this happened to your team, would YOU let it go? We'll never not be pissed about how this year ended for us.
Why is FSU Clustered with 12-1 Teams???? Kirk is the representative of ESPN he curved the narrative and subjectivity
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
Because 13-0 doesn’t make you “better” UCF was 13-0 they didn’t get in, you say well they weren’t power 5, Alabama SOS was 5th and played 5 top 25 teams, FsU SOS is 55th and played 3, there conference isn’t that good so I’m not surprised
@@jaxongriffith5321FSU beat 2 SEC teams, including LSU which has the best offense in the conference. They did everything they had to do and then the goal posts were moved at the last minute.
@@ryanpduffy They play Florida every year, the goal post wasn’t moved it’s just there we’re more then 4 teams that’s were good enough to make it and didn’t have two losses no matter who got put in someone would have gotten “screwed” they followed there protocol when comparing teams in terms of conference championship, strength of schedule, similar opponents, and external factors and players and FsU for the short straw you hate it for them but I would have chose bama to in a blind resume and i think many people would as well
@@jaxongriffith5321 Rubbish bubble mentality - the "SEC - it just means more"
No one is saying Herbstreit decided.
HERBSTREIT SOLD THE DECISION. He and Rece were already selling this before the decision was supposedly made. Joe ON THE GAME BROADCAST spent the entire ACC championship game downplaying FSU and ignoring the defensive clinic that was being put on. ESPN has a $3 Billion dollar relationship with the SEC. To pretend ESPN was not supporting IN EVERY WAY the exclusion of FSU to guarantee the SEC's seat at the table is asinine.
If what you say is true about Travis' injury being part of the selection criteria, then just name one other team in the history of the CFP that this has happened to.
Yep they kept talking about how style points meant so much to the selection committee.
In 2017 ucf got left out because of their weak schedule
@@Yaw76 at best you’re being disingenuous, UCF is G5 team. FSU is a P5 team who scheduled 2 OOC SEC games and won them all.
@@zzznor1137sos ranked 55
@@Daniel78104Michigan SOS #51
Not an FSU fan but don’t understand how they were clustered with 1 loss teams instead of the undefeated group
Cuz those 1 loss teams would dog walk them 🤷♂️
Go UCF!
It's more so about the wins than the loses, Michigan beat Ohio st, Washington beat Oregon, Texas beat Bama, Bama beat Georgia. Who did Florida st or Georgia beat that would make them worthy?
It's very simple. Not all schedules are created equal. FSU had the 55th ranked strength of schedule while Bama had the 5th ranked strength of schedule. Having just 1 loss with a significantly harder schedule is much more impressive than being undefeated against a bunch of cupcakes. FSUs best win is Bamas 3rd best win which is LSU.
@@cjrhodes6339so lets not play whats the point since you think there gonna win lets just have a wwf game
The thing is Herbstreit predicted this BEFORE Travis was injured. Not that I blame him. Travis' injury was the fallback to get what they wanted.
Disney/ESPN's $3 BILLION contract with SEC will determine that a SECX team will be represented no matter what. Even though Michigan and Washington has the same credential...undefeated and conference champion like FSU.
@@georgewilson4245 If anything, Michigan's schedule was not as strong as FSU's. Good look at it and tell me it was a strong schedule.
Ding ding - exactly. Great narrative playing right now. All these guys know who signs their checks. Their not going to stand up for this unless directed to do so by ESPN, so they don't look biased, working off a script.
@@georgewilson4245 you do realize the ESPN owns the ACC network and it’s in the best interest of ESPN for the ACC to do better?
@@j.akelly9775 The ACC Network is sublicensed out. Look at how much money ESPN has invested in the SEC. SEC schools are paid WAY more from ESPN compared to ACC schools. Getting SEC teams into the playoffs makes ESPN more money. It's why they hype up SEC teams to boost their SOS therefore increasing their ratings, viewers, etc. for "bigger" games of ranked opponents. All about the money.
"Kirk has no say" as if Kirk banging the drum for FSU being left out the past two weeks had zero impact on the members of the selection committee... gimme a break! It doesn't matter if ESPN owns the ACC network, SEC and Alabama are their biggest college football brands! The committee moved the goal posts bc they wanted the matchup of Saban v Harbaugh. They chose SEC bias and ratings over the team that earned it on the field. Plain and simple.
Naw cause Bama beat Georgia. Who did Florida st beat?
Bama also earned it on the field buddy.
@@noahburns9565 @shitheadith I never said Bama SHOULDNT have gotten in the playoff. There is a strong argument that they should have made the playoff, just not over an undefeated P5 team with a better strength of record.
@davidashton1305 if Louisville had beat Kentucky that most likely would've pushed Florida st in. But they laid an egg. Then Florida st struggled with Louisville more so than Kentucky did.
@@shiTheadith with a 3rd string QB who would not have started in the playoff (the backup was in concussion protocol). Also, if that was the deciding factor, why is Bama winning on a Hail Mary to 6-6 Auburn not weighed against them equally? IMO the fact that FSU found a way to win with the 3rd strong QB is a testament to the strength of their TEAM.
Herby is lying, they showed on college football game day ,how they were going to set everything up. That was in early november. They already knew they were going to screw Florida State. Sooo if a player gets injured, what they are saying is, that team is automatically disqualified.
Herb is the lying machine for the Disney/ESPN/CFP. It's all about $$$$$ TV ratings and not the integrity of the game. SHAMEFUL, Kirk.
I don't buy the intent was to screw FSU. but it definitely is clear the intent was to aid the SEC. ESPN rigged the outcome. PERIOD.
Herbstreit was caught on live camera celebrating like a little girl when Bama pulled off that miracle play against Auburn. His words and his actions speak for itself
Pretty sure every announcer lost their minds over that play. Stop crying
When UGA stomps FSU the fangirls like you will finally shut up. Do you want pampers or huggies?
It's interesting how FSU was in the top 4 before the Conference Championship games took place. Then they won their game, while Georgia lost their game. Georgia lost and deservedly they lose their spot in the playoffs. Yet Georgia's loss also took FSU out of the playoffs.
How does a top 4 team lose a top 4 spot by winning their final game? Because ESPN says so!?!
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia.
This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
The question should be: Why is Michigan in after cheating? That is where the committee messed up.
What is crazy is that. It was always going to be fsu vs. Georgia. If fsu is not ratings. Why put them against uga in the orange bowl. People better wake up. It's made for Bama to win. And they still will lose Texas by three. National champs
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My only problem with the committee and the decision to leave Florida State out is if losing Jordan Travis was the deciding factor, why didn't you drop them to number six or seven after he was injured instead of leaving them at number four all this time?. If they were at 6 or 7 and finished at 5 after championship weekend it would be more understandable but they didn't. They left them at 4 even though they lost their starting quarterback and backup quarterback and didn't look good the previous two weeks. That's my problem..
I'll answer that for you. The left them at number 4 to give them a chance to prove that their team wouldn't have the major drop off without Travis. Unfortunately, they did have a major drop off and at times even looked inept against Louisville. If they played like Ohio St. did years ago with their 3rd string QB, the committee would have had a much tougher decision.
Cincinnati made the playoffs in 21' but an undefeated FSU out of a P5 conference is left out? It just seems wrong. I saw an Oklahoma team shut down FSU in 2000 with no offense. Just saying anything can happen when you step on that field, going undefeated inspite of should stand for something and FSU defense is elite.
@@mrmrsplummer3526 Cincinnati made it in that year because there wasn't anyone else with a win/loss record and of quality that was in reason to get in.
You saw an Oklahoma team shut down FSU in 2000, but neither team going into that game was seen as deficient or inept on offense or missing their starting QB. You're conveniently leaving out these details.
And not all undefeated records are created equal, but if FSU had just looked halfway decent against Louisville, they wouldn't have this problem.
@@JB-tp6uj I get it but that's just not a football players take, it's a suits take. Games are decided on the field and will always be, everything else is for money and eyeballs. injuries are part of the game and rosters are built for the next man up mentality that's why there's 85 on scholly. How it looks shouldn't matter if you find ways to win, there's 3 phases..
@@mrmrsplummer3526 Style points and how you win have always mattered. Long before the playoffs got started...even long before the BCS when style points often influenced who the media crowned as a national champion. Unfortunately, the ACC did no favors to Florida St. and that championship game did even less to help their cause.
What's more confusing is how Georgia fell from #1 to #6 for losing one of its last 29 games to a playoff team and Ohio State falls from #2 to #7 for losing to the #1 team.
Exactly
Speaks volume about the corruption of the Disney/ESPN?
Ohio State fell from 2 to 5, they didn’t play conference title weekend so they were getting jumped if Bama and Texas both won, which they did. Georgia was not getting in over Bama, you can’t discredit Bamas win. Same applies for Texas, who beat Bama.
Think about it. You lose you're out. Oh wait. My bad fsu fans
@@crimsonkings205i think people are getting mad at bama for no reason, it’s not their fault they made the playoff, ppl can’t say bama isn’t a top 4 team when they are they just beat number 1
Before Jordan Travis injury Kirk was already down playing FSU... when college gameday aired from JMU he said he would put 12-1 Oregon in over FSU.
OK, it was his opinion. Why is that a conspiracy?
@@simplerick256ok so now I ask u why would he have FSU out if Travis is not hurt ? Listen to him he loves everything about FSU . He loves them so much that had it been up to him he would have screwed us over as an undefeated with Travis ? With friends like that who needs enemies.
@marquesthouston310 bruh, it was just an opinion. When people have opinions, we should agree or disagree and move on. Yall act like he destroyed your world because he has an opinion different from yall. Smh
@@simplerick256 the only reason Im responding to you is because you addressed this but who makes an opinion based on nothing. Everyone has opinion and we typically give our reason why we feel the way we feel . I ain’t making this that deep but let’s be honest this ain’t about them being anti FSU but they dam sure are pro SEC . Do you really believe had FSU had Travis they were going to drop Alabama from the CFP ? No one believes that and if you do you’re obviously naive. No one believes that no way no how does the SEC get left out .
@@marquesthouston310 Not that this will be received well. But Kirk was not the only one of this opinion. Some of the reasoning behind it is that different people have different valuations when grading these things. For some...like me. I reject the notion of a P5. These conferences are not equal year to year. And being undefeated is not the be all to me. Not when comparing schedules that have this much disparity between them. Some schedules are easier to do that with than others. For me FSU did not get tested at the highest levels of play. Not one on their schedule is a top 10 team or even close to it. Bama had to play 2. 1 in and 1 out of conference. LSU is in rebuild and none of the other ACC teams made the grade.
On the other side a traditional grading metric is to basically assume certain teams are good and you only start evaluating them with a microscope when the lose. So if you never lose, no one can ever question your resume. I don't agree with that, never have. My biggest disappointment with the committee is that they have allowed this holdover thinking from the AP/coaches poll era to continue. They also baked this thinking and expectations into their weekly rankings. They wanted teams to bail them out by losing first then they could examine. When it did not happen, they had to release a poll that was more in line with their truest evals.
Most of the formula gurus will tell you that the chasm of scheduling differences between team and the continued conference isolation amongst top teams have made comparing schedules with things like SOR and Power Ratings near impossible. Just not enough data points. This is because top teams are avoiding one another in large parts. If I was grading it actually would have low graded Michigan not FSU. Michigan played no out of conference P5 teams and their entire resume is built on the premise that Ohio State and Penn state are good. The biggest win between all of them is Notre Dame....an average team this year at best.
Fact: FSU beat LSU worse than Bama beat LSU. Guess Kirk does not like that fact.
Bama had a tougher schedule than FSU. He likes that.
Fact: Bama has better wins than FSU’s best win
Okay? Georgia destroyed Florida and FSU barely beat them. Alabama destroyed Kentucky and Kentucky destroyed Florida.
FSU's best win was Bama's 3rd best win.
@@Scuba4Stevethey also has a loss
@@nwilliams6768 where is the team that beat them ranked?
"Common opponent': FSU v. LSU 45-24 at neutral site. Bama v. LSU 42-28 at Bama.
That was FSU's best win and Bama's 3rd best win.
From a math stand point it's undeniable that FSU has it!
@@optimysticquest
Ok. Compare losses.
@@griftinggamer sure no problem.
Alabama’s SOS is 5th in the nation. FSU’s is 55th. An undefeated streak is great, but who you play matters.
@@optimysticquestit doesn’t when you’re undefeated in a power 5 conference. ESPN tried to make that the reason and couldn’t, so they used the Jordan Travis injury because they couldn’t justify it clearly
To answer Pat who said ESPN own's the ACC network so there's no reason for them to want Alabama. But, you're leaving out the obvious fact that ESPN also owns the SEC Network. So you can't be selective with your information you're providing. I love Pat but he can't be selective with what he is saying now that he works for ESPN.
Pat earning his check by kissing ESPN's rear end
His point went clear over your head apparently. Everyone knows ESPN has the rights to SEC games but apparently the conspiracy theorist don't realize they have the rights to the ACC as well and so the point Pat was making is that ESPN would benefit the same whether FSU or Bama got in.
Did ESPN choose the schools or a committee of athletic directors from other schools and conferences?
@@AK-sq1jlthey ‘could’ benefit the same from FSU or Bama. However, if they believe they could get more viewership with Bama, then they benefit more cause higher views = more money. I would bet that Bama would probably draw in more viewers, so they went Bama.
I think that's the exact point he's trying to make. Everyone has been quick to point out SEC's affiliation with ESPN, but they never mention the ACC's affiliation to both ESPN and the committee.
FSU should have been clustered with the undefeated teams .
Only if you use logics and respect the integrity of the game. Unfortunately Disney/ESPN's $3 BILLION deal with SEC precludes that. Slightly corrupted you think? And Kirk is their spokesperson.
@@BBean1 Auburn was ineligible for the post season
@@fredrobbins0604 CONCLUSION: In 1993, UNDEFEATED 11-0 West Virginia should have played Nebraska for the Natty INSTEAD OF ONE LOSS FSU, according to HYPOCRITICAL FSU fans today!
@@BBean1 it’s not apples to apples bud, I hear you, but West Virginia was not in a power 5 conference, it’s close but not the exact same argument
@@BBean1 also, it’s much harder when there is only two teams able to play, now that there is 4 teams there is no way a undefeated power 5 team should be left out . Espns own metric had our resume at 3rd best. The ap poll has us 3rd, the Bcs computer has us 3, the coaches poll has us 3, only the playoff has us 4 , and it’s all for money
Before they made the official selection Kirk had the 4 teams helmet in the background
he's not allowed to have an opinion? He said he worshiped bobby bowden. Doesn't that mean anything to you crybabies?
Why is college football the only sport where people decide who makes the postseason? Why is it not standings or conference champions automatic bid?
Because the ACC voted against having a 12 team playoff this season.
@@jonathanhouser8194not just the ACC. & regardless, next year when there is the 12 team playoff, there are still going to be no to be teams that get fucked over.
People decide who makes the ncaa basketball tournament too.
It's not the only sport. I guess you never heard of the NCAA march madness selection committee.
I like how they always bring up Louisville but never the fact it was a 3rd string quarterback that wouldnt be the starter in the playoff. Every clip you see they never mention that, just the performance.
Because the other two are injured and can’t start dum dum
Or the fact that Bama looked bad against Auburn with their starting QB
@birdcatcherperry867 the second string had a concussion and WILL be back due to the game being a month later
Why don't you blame Norvell? He allowed JT to play in a meaningless game and then JT got injured. That shows you that Norvell is a dumb coach. Norvell screwed the noles.
@@perfectblindguy that comment is useless as well. Name one college football coach that just starts their second string quarterback with an undefeated season on the line and college football playoff aspirations? Absolutely none. Name one coach that just starts their second string QB? I'll wait!. None they all start their starter until the game is under control then throw their second stringer in their. Because the game counts no matter who it is. Lol. Use your head and blame yourself for that comment and thought process! 😂
Now we know that an SEC team is automatically in no matter what
Who else has won in the past 20 years
The sec is a tougher conference than the ACC. From all the reports, the ACC may not be around in a few months.
This is complete BS, Kirk had FSU OUT of the playoffs even before the Travis injury….
So nobody’s gonna buy it when he now keeps using the Travis excuse over and over…..the TEAM went 13-0 not the quarterback!
What would the record be without Travis? And right now, do you believe FSU can beat Alabama; Texas; Washington; or Michigan?
FSU could absolutely beat Bama and vis versa…thats why you PLAY THE GAMES TO FIND OUT!
Its bs and its selfish... No excuses
Get counseling
It’s not anti FSU it was just pro SEC. FSU just got caught in the crosshairs. God forbid we have a playoff without an SEC team in a year when they were down. But we have no problem with years when the SEC had two teams in the playoff. Had UGA beat Bama it would have been Georgia, Michigan, Washington, FSU.
Nah. The eternal "Texas is back" crowd would have shuffled them ahead of FSU too.
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia.
This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
Auburn was on probation and not eligible for post season play.
The SEC is not down. They have three teams in the top 10. No other conference can say that. So there.
@@perfectblindguy the SEC began the season collectively overrated. As usual. The mantra all year for objective commentators was “GA isn’t nearly strong as the past 2 teams.” But still, Ohio State loses and GA is right back to number one. The SEC bias will persist as long as ES-pee in has the most authoritative voice in EVERY room. They have billions $$$ of reasons why…the shift will happen sooner rather than later
Wait for it…it’s coming.
FSU is 13-0 Power5 Conference Champion like Michigan and Washington. The Sesame Place noise is just that, noise with subjective opinions. The game is played on the field for 60 mins and not through broadcasters or a smoky filled basement. The correct and rightful order: Mich, Wash, FSU then the rest. The 2023 playoff will always be a consolation game without FSU. Thank you ESPN for degrading the integrity of the game with $$$$$ greed.
He was planting the seeds three weeks before it happened!
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
They got it wrong. No reason to leave an undefeated FSU out. The End
😂
Why should FSU have to win a 14h time to say look we should have been in the playoffs? They accomplished everything they needed to do by going undefeated in the regular season and then winning their conference.
These clowns are clueless. FSU did what they were supposed to do. Opened the season against an SEC team and closed it with one. What a joke
So did Liberty, read the rules:
2. Strength of schedule ...Alabama 5th , FSU 56th ...H U G E advantage for Alabama ( H U G E advantage Alabama)
5. Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.... FSU is without it's best player and the team has averaged just over 50% of the average yards per game without him (224 & 219 YPG). That's output worse than the 133rd team in the FCS in terms of yards per game. That 133rd ranked team lost to the two ranked teams they played 31-0 and 26-0. FSU can play defense with the best of them but you have to be able to score points.
All factors are a wash except for 2 and 5 and FSU is way, way way behind in both.
Intellectually dishonest conversation. Let's not mention that FSU beat a top 15 team in the conference championship by multiple possession with a 3rd string QB AND would also be getting their 2nd string QB and their best DT (that hasn't played all season bc of another dumb rule) to add to an already dominant defense. Clown show
Not a fsu fan but they should of definitely got in they earned it. Go hurricanes!
The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Historically they are a tough league, but this year they aren't. ACC is 6-4 vs SEC by an average of 14 points per victory. ACC has 2 wins over ND ACC has a winning record vs Big10 The ACC beat each other up and the lazy talking heads decided that means the league is bad, when objectively, it was by far the best league vs other P5 schools, and it's not even close.
@@georgewilson4245Beacuse of Jordan Travis.
FSU should've been in easily over Texas. The whole "Texas has to be in since they beat Bama" is ridiculous, by that logic Oklahoma should be in too since they beat Texas!
🤣 Oklahoma had two losses, and didn't win the conference championship
Oklahoma is a two loss team that didn't even contend in their Conference Championship. The reason Texas's win over Bama mattered is because they are a 1 loss Conference Champion in contention for the playoffs.
No, that logic doesn't work because Oklahoma had two losses and weren't a conference champion. FSU's schedule and the ACC weren't good this year. And head to head matters when the two parties have similar resumes.
Yeah, Texas was surprised to get in. You could see they weren't expecting to... hoping for it. But not expecting it. They were surprised that they did after.
@@jamaal8786 looked the same as the videos of the other three teams after being selected
What really frustrates me as a UGA fan is the harm this decision does to FSU and the ACC long-term. This decision tells every college recruit which is the best program to get into if they want to compete for a national championship. The long-term negative effects to the sport of college football far exceed any ratings win they get this year.
FSU doesn’t even want to be in the ACC anymore.
What damage? Every one looks over the fact we are going to 12 next year. The ACC will easily get in everytime with their cupcakes. No need to worry.
Tbh I would think in todays world kids are more motivated by NIL and their NFL chances than winning championships….FSU will be fine if anything it’ll motivate Norvell more.
If FSU was in the SEC, and had the same team, with the same injured quarterback, they would be in the playoff this season. By-laws notwithstanding.
You got that right. $3 BILLION will buy you a spot for sure. That's the $$$$$ motto of Disney/ESPN.
They would 8-5, by laws notwithstanding.
@@kcbandit6948 LOL. The SEC is so overrated. Please stop sucking your own peepee already. Ole Miss, Tennessee, Missouri and LSU are so overrated and have inflated records from playing the rest of the mediocre and bottom feeders that make up the rest of the conference. Tennessee beat absolutely no one and bottom feeds, and was ranked in the top 25 after 4 loses is a joke. Georgia and Alabama are always the best teams and get to inflate their resumes when they beat up the rest of the overrated SEC. Alabama played 2 out of conference games - they lost to Texas by 10 at home and barely beat USF. Georgia didn't even play anyone. LSU and Alabama were the only schools that scheduled a tough out of conference games. That's why the ACC had a better head to head record and the SEC had a losing record against the rest of the conferences because the conference is overrated.
@@kcbandit6948 SEC had two good teams this year. We beat the 3rd best sec team by 4 tds when starters were in.
@@kcbandit6948You must not know how terrible the SEC east is. UGA SOS was lower than FSU before they played Bama. Even the SEC West was down this year. The SEC is just UGA, Bama and everyone else.
The country has lost confidence in talking heads. Having an owner of Disney has aimed ESPN towards the bottom of the barrel.
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
Kirk spent 2 hours saying a narrative as well as his coworkers. The only honest guy was booger.
Fsu was screwed.
No serious cfb fan has listened to anything KH has to say about the sport for a long time
Agreed. Kirck as become the chief propaganda mouth piece for the $$$$$ Disney/ESPN that just signed a $3 BILLION deal with SEC conference. Slightly corrupted you think?
@zippy3984 Because whatever he says is true. Gotcha
@zippy3984 I have no idea if there was a "conspiracy" against FSU. If there was, KH wouldn't say. If there was JP wouldn't know or say. Pate has become more balanced in his coverage of CFB then when he started, but SEC fans are still the majority of his base.
@zippy3984 The deal between The SEC and ESPN is not a small part of the network's CFB revenue.
ESPN probably never sat down with the CFP committee and directly said exclude FSU and make sure an SEC school gets in, but it would certainly be implied and known that that's what they want.
And even if some kind of deliberate conspiracy was proven, it wouldn't hurt the ESPN bottom line by their loss of credibility. They've already lost credibility with a large portion of CFB fans. Casual fans don't care and the rest of us are CFB junkies, and ESPN is one of the main providers of the content we need to use. We're tuning in on Saturdays.
@zippy3984 Bama is annually the 2nd or 3rd most watched team in CFB. OSU is number 1, but it would certainly have been a blatant display as a choice merely for higher TV ratings if they were selected this year.
And what were the ratings last year with TCU in the championship game as compared to previous years?
My problem with Kirk was 4 years ago he goes on a famous rant about FSU and how bad our program was (rightfully) and 4 years later we have one of the best cultures in college and fought without our QB only allowed 1 TD in the past two games. Beat a top 15 team with our 3rd QB. And he’s cheerleading for us not to make the playoffs. And yes everyone is at fault for this the ACC, the system, espn everyone bc it’s a popularity contest and not who deserved it. Bama had their playoff game in September at home against a Texas team that they were a 7 point favorite of and they lost. At the end of the day everyone that doesn’t think this matters bc we are going to a 12 team playoff next year just wait. 4 loss SEC teams will get in over a 2 loss ACC teams, better seedlings will go to the big 2 conferences and it’s basically going to be a SEC vs Big 10 invitational.
That's what I'm thinking to. There gonna stack it with SEC teams. I wouldn't be surprised if we see 5 or 6 for the SEC.
@@terryfredrick5149 it’s going to be 9 teams made up of SEC and BIG 10 and 2 teams of ACC/Big12 and a g5 if they don’t change it and say a G5 don’t get a bid
I think the same, there's gonna be at least 5-6 SEC team and some of them will have 2-3 lost and get in over ACC or BIG12 team with 1 lost.
losing to jacksonville st...how is that a good culture?
Kirk has lost so much respect from me.
Herbie is the biggest two face in college football.
He would go onto your local radio station to hype up your team then goes on TV to trash your team. Biggest tool out there 🔧
Lol...
Kirk is a Disney/ESPN mouthpiece. His view is strictly corporate and has become irrelevant. ZERO credibility.
Yeah that’s why him and pat mcafee get along so well 😂
Kirk is missing the point that he’s the one that planted the seed of fsu being left out, even before Jordan Travis got hurt.
They have been overrated all season
@@Mark-zx2bqyou mean undefeated
@@Mark-zx2bq call it what you want, they found ways to win their games, something 2 teams ahead of them didn’t do.
@@nwilliams6768 I didn't stutter
Finally, somebody who gets it
It should’ve been the 3 undefeated teams and then decide on the 1 loss teams. That is the only thing that makes any sense. An undefeated season beats a 1 loss season anywhere anytime. Alabama almost lost to Auburn, Georgia lost with their 2 best receivers out. Shouldn’t that help Georgias case if players being hurt matters?
There’s no way you’re saying liberty should have been in the playoffs
3 undefeated P5...smh
I wonder if you'll keep that same energy when a Big 12 team goes undefeated next year by beating BYU, UCF, and Baylor and tell me they automatically should be ranked over a 1 loss Georgia who has to play Bama(probably twice), Texas, Clemson, Ole Miss, Tennessee, etc. I mean it's a P5 conference and undefeated beats 1 loss right? So let's just always remember to do that and not apply any logic of who played who, lets just sort records. That make sense? Or does it just make sense one year when it helps your team?
@LonghornsLegend there are 12 teams next year in the playoffs so it won't matter.
@@jarradrice5455 you still have to rank teams, what are you talking about? The logic you want to use to rank teams still matters because it is the difference between a bye week, or having to play and losing a game the first Rd. You don't get to pick which way you want to rank only when it benefits your team
They had a chance to actually have a Cinderella story with a team winning a Natty without their QB and leader. Could have been a great story. Not to mention, those kids at FSU got screwed.💯🤷🏻♂️
Ha doesn’t work for us. Only if it was Bama, GA or LSU
FSU isn’t even a top fifteen team without their qb. If you don’t know that, you don’t know much about football.
Who does FSU deserve to be in over? Alabama beat the best team in the nation when no1 could and won the SEC Championship. Texas beat the only team that defeated Georgia within 2 entire season and won their conference Championship. Washington beat Oregon and the potential heisman winner twice in one season. Michigan, like FSU, went undefeated with an arguably tougher schedule and won their conference championship. No major key players are missing from these 4 teams that will severely effect the outcome of a game. Why are FSU fans so entitled to think that winning out their weak schedule was enough to go to the playoffs without their QB when other teams had more adversity to overcome in their schedule? FSU fans thinks that Alabama beating Georgia was nothing and what Georgia accomplished was something common. I'm not impressed with Michigan (TCUs' punching bag) but they have their starter.
@@mattalwayslearning2184 yet they literally beat Top 15 teams without their starting QB.....
@@mattalwayslearning2184 you are correct but that's why we have underdog stories. That one injury effectively ruined it for the rest of the team. It's a bad message to send when we're picking and choosing the final 4, especially since Texas was like the 6th seed before they were magically selected to number 3. It was BS and the only people not admitting are fans of the four that got into the CFP or they're gator or cane fans... that's it 🤷🏻♂️
AJ is right. The rules are set up as subjective so they can control who is in the playoff
thats been the case the last 10 years and you're mad now?
@@DeRocco21 exactly. Nobody cares unless it's their own team. ACC was subjectively 🗑️ and it was the conference left out. That's what happens when you have 4 spots for 5 conferences.
@@DeRocco21 we’re mad now because they chose this year to do something completely unprecedented and use a bunch of old guys in suits to decide the games that are supposed to happen on a field.
Kirk started the narrative.
Kirk has always disliked FSU, that’s why he’s a target to the fanbase. I don’t blame them.
Foolishness
Kirk's bias opinion makes him a Disney/ESPN propaganda broadcaster. Totally irrelevant. Lost all his credential credibility. So disappointed.
There are 3 billion reasons why Bama got in. Had to protect that ROI.
RIGHT ON>Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
Lock it up Herbstreit. These things just make people more mad
You notice he said if Michael Penix of Washington got hurt then they might’ve been left out ? What about Alabama ? If their QB or Georgia’s Qb got hurt and they still won the last two games .. you can’t tell me they would’ve left them out the playoffs!
They wouldn't leave Alabama or Georgia out. They would make every argument to leave them in. It's a total sham.
Yeah Bama would have got left out if Jalen Milroe got hurt! Get help dude. You people are nuts
If Bamas quarterback got hurt they probably would have put Georgia in lol. A quarter back less Bama and FSU wouldnt deserve it over a healthy Georgia or Ohio st. Stop being conspiracy theorists
Just as a reminder to the Florida st fans... Bama won a natty with a back up qb.
But their starting qb wasn't hurt before the cfp
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
He was pushing that narrative before Travis went down so don't bring up travis. He's corrupt.
Nah he just was able to look ahead and see what could happen,that's his j o b.
Milroe wasn’t benched because of Texas, he was suspended by coach for violating team rules. Wish that would have got more attention in the news but it is a cool story that he was benched for performance and then comes back and makes the playoffs.
BS...Get counseling
Total lie
Gotta source for that?
No, he was benched because he had a bad game against Texas and they wanted to see how the other quarterbacks performed in a game.
Source: TRUST ME 🤡
😂😂😂 Us getting to talk to Saban every week but no Conspiracy riiiiiiight
ESPN, as of this writing, does not have an exclusive contract with the SEC. But ESPN does have an exclusive contract with the ACC. So wouldn't ESPN push for FSU or Bama?
When they start making up excuses why a 13-0 doesn't get in then you know there corrupt, I remember a couple years ago Herbstreit said he didn't even want to talk about FSU because they were playing bad. This FSU deserved the chance to play for a championship cut and dry 🇺🇲🏈💪
That is not cut and dry. FSU played in a weak conference. Bama had the better resume. Bama beat the number one team in the country. This FSU team will not beat UGA. When UGA beats FSU, all the FSU crybabies will finally shut up. RTR
Herb is tripn.... It's not a cluster of teams to decide from when 1 power 5 is undefeated. He's acting as if they all had 1 loss or were undefeated. No integrity. Just flawed justification for what they think and want.
Agree with Pat though. Been saying claim National Champs after you beat back to back champs.
Why even play the game if a group of 13 people in a room determines your fate. Complete BS. Hope FSU boycotts the bowl game.
They may bc they're scared Georgia
I hope they boycott too...nobody wants to see that trash offense anyways lol
@@shiTheadithor maybe because bowls have got useless outside of playoffs and they went 13-0 and got screwed had nothing to do with Georgia
@@shiTheadith LMAO. With the NFL filled defense roster? LMAO again.
Nobody is asking the people on espn 1 question? If Alabama’s quarterback was hurt would they have held them out?
ABSOLUTELY NO. With the Disney/ESPN $3 BILLION deal with the SEC...a SEC team will always have a place in the play off even though the SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year.
Depends imo the issue isn’t the backup QBs Ohio state had one one year and won their conference championship by 60 points it’s that they looked inept against inferior competition in a league where style points matter
@@TherronBurns I don’t remember but was Ohio state undefeated?
No. it's the alabama invitational now.
@@keithb6817 This shouldnt be news to you......
The orange bowl is pointless. It means nothing except a game to play. Doesn’t determine anything.
All it is is a consolation game that Disney/ESPN/Orange Bowl will make $$$$$. Boycott and stick it to them with pleasure.
How about LOSSES????
The Disney/ESPN do not care about losses. Just TV ratings.
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
The committee watches the broadcasts. During the ACC championship game, Jesse Palmer made that very clear that the committee was watching and was openly lobbying for Bama to go in over FSU, an ESPN broadcast.
@zippy3984 yes, since specifically Boo Corrigan parroted talking points that ESPN and Sankey laid out the day before.
@zippy3984 I was speaking specifically about in-game commentary. Did you actually watch the ACC championship game?
@zippy3984 also, please name the four more ACC folks beyond Boo because I’m not seeing it. Maybe Jim Grobe who is retired Wake HC but he has always hated FSU so not expecting and advocate there.
The debate should have been between Texas and Alabama. QB position is obviously important but not worthy of disqualification from the playoffs
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
AGAIN, injuries are factored into the criteria.
@@crimsonkings205then it means that somehow winning the big 12 by 28 and sec by 3 suddenly made them better than a team without Jordan Travis that won the acc by 10 after they were three spots apart (FSU without JT and Texas). That is a bit sus to me
@crimsonkings205 Bama didn’t win their way in, but they got invited by a bunch of old bags in a hotel ballroom.
It's worth mentioning that a lot of backup QB's given a month of preparation could, at minimum, pull off an upset with that defense. I'm just saying Greg McElroy won a 🏆 going 6/11 for 58 yds with a running game and a defense. Wasn't he your starter?
This is way more than Florida State Football fans that believe this. He is a influencer and influence is what he did.
100%. Kirk has influence and indirectly has a say. Tim Brando even pointed this out. People also forget this happened few times in the past to teams that got screwed out of playing the championship game. Coaches lobbying for BCS bowl games. But this never happened to an undefeated Power 5 conference.
As a wise man once said. “ it’s better to have people think you are fools as to open your mouths and remove all doubt”
Herbstriet and Dan O’s are in a contract year. They have to toe the line.
The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
The conspiracy is to keep the SEC in not keep FSU out😮😮😮
As an FSU fan/alum, I'm not upset with Herbie at all ot buy into some of these conspiracy theories I've heard. What I am confused about is the change of protocol it seems like. All I've heard since the committee started is, "We don't project or predict." Thats exactly what they did.
The protocol didn't change, but the precedence did. An undefeated power 5 champ has never been left out, but neither has the penultimate number 1 dropped out of consideration. The system isn't corrupt, but it was flawed from the beginning. Unfortunately for FSU, their strength of schedule and QB injury hurt them badly.
@@barryklinger5229 SOS?
FSU have eight wins this season over bowl-eligible Power 5 conference teams, the most in the country, and also are tied for the national lead with four wins in games it trailed by at least 10 points. FSU was the only team that produced a stretch in which it outscored its opponent by at least 17 points in every regular-season game in 2023, and its eight games with a plus-24 scoring run ranked second.
When you got a $3Billion investment in the SEC - you need some payoff.
It does feel like something changed... my best guess the committee was kinda letting things play out in the hopes chaos would make it easy to choose. But they got the wrong kind of chaos.
@@georgewilson4245 it's not about beating the 6-6 and 7-5 teams. It's about your Tier 1 elite wins. How about playing 0 teams that finished in the Top 10 while the 4 playoff teams all have at least 1 Top 10 win. On top of that, the two losses in the CFP were to teams better than FSU played all season. It's about you at your best and FSUs best was beating LSU with a Heisman level QB who is not playing anymore. Blame the ACC for your best win being a home game against the 5th best SEC team.
The committee medically discriminated against FSU. That's what happened. Kirk shilling for a committee that took his talking points about why FSU should be excluded, even with their starting qb is not a surprise and is still despicable. They never valued FSU's wins, even though they covered the spread against a "mighty" SEC team and a top 15 CFP ranked team. They won both of those games with what the committee essentially called "potatoes" at qb.
FSU should ve the NO 3 seed period they deserve to be there and its not hard to figure out lol FSU didnt lose a game and beat sec teams football is a team sport and that defense is serious should be : WSSHINGTON, MICHIGAN, FSU AND TEXAS
Wrong, FSU lost their starting QB and their offense proved to be a steaming pile of dung. Losing key personnel is a factor the committee looks at...stop crying
I think the committee had a tough decision to make either way. The only FSU game I watched all season was the ACC championship. It was painful to watch. Both offenses were inept. After watching the Georgia/Alabama game, it looked like a JV game. FSU went undefeated by playing against a mediocre schedule, beating two ranked teams. FSU beat two SEC teams--LSU in a down year and a 5-7 Florida team. That's hardly a ringing endorsement. The opening line on the Orange Bowl is Georgia by 14. Given the adversity of losing their star QB, I think FSU did well. But if the CFP committee's job is to choose the best 4 teams for the playoffs, the hard truth is that FSU is not one of them.
@@user-oy3fk5zz5w PLEASE. Tough decision? DISNEY/ESPN $3 BILLION SEC will dictate who plays. Don't be a corporate guppy!
So from what the committee just did, they are letting every team know to go hurt the main player on a top 4 team and that team will be out the playoffs.
strawman argument. Blame Norvell..he put JT in a meaningless game...that ruined the season for the cinnamon rolls...RTR
The issue I'm having is there's no way 2 one loss teams jump ahead of undefeated FSU, FSU defense is legit not even saying they'll win but it would've been close
It is real simple. The cinnamon rolls cannot win a title without Travis. The cinnamon rolls will not beat UGA. The cinnamon rolls are not a top ten team right now. Their D looked good against the ACC...but the ACC is weak.
Sure, the whole circus is worth billions every year but no funny business despite all the funny business…
Don’t believe your lying eyes folks, Kirk is super honest
Georgia lost the SEC champion by three and dropped all the way from 1 to 6. The 4th and 4 first down by Alabama should be reviewed and overturned. It's an incomplete pass. The Alabama wide receiver caught the ball. The reply clearly shown the ball roll off the hand under the body. The next play, BAMA scored a touch down. That bad call cost Georgia SEC championship game and play off. The bad also cost FSU the seat at the Champion game. Four 0 loss conference champions are in. There should not be any argument. The committee had to put Texas in if they put BAMA in. Texas has head to head win again BAMA. All because of that bad call. 😞
Exactly! Plus, I love how everyone is overlooking/forgetting about MICHIGAN CHEATING! Cheaters shouldn't be allowed to take place in any bowls, playoffs, or championships!
News Flash - Milroe has gone down in week 11 but there backup QB guided the team to a dominate win over their next two opponents. Backup goes down but third string QB guides Alabama to a dominate win in the conference championship thanks to the same suffocating defense that performed in the previous weeks. On selection Sunday Bama is chosen to participate in the CFP. ESPN - Defense wins games and this Bama team has shown that they deserve to be in the playoffs thanks to one of the most dominating defenses in the country. They earned it on the field. The more you try to defend the indefensible the worse you look.
Kirk don't bother coming back Tallahassee and keep GameDay away as well. Doesn't really matter what any of you say any longer. Espn is the worst thing for this sport even outside of the playoff.
Dude I understand but nobody wants to see fsu get 50 balled
Cry 😢
Clown!
Man fk Tallahassee 😂
Quit crying, He and GameDay will be back and you won't do a dam thing about it buttercup
Kirk Herbstreit has enormous influence on the entirety of College Football. Are you guys really serious? He lobbied on live TV many times to have FSU excluded. SMH…
ESPN is doing damage control. The cluster of teams is Alabama, Texas & Georgia because they all have 1 loss and common opponents FSU 45 LSU 24, Alabama 42 LSU 28.
Would Florida st beat LSU without Travis Jordan by that many points
Alabama and Georgia had a common opponent of Ole Miss. Georgia won 52-17 and bama won 24-10. But..... Georgia didn't beat bama. So I don't like the common opponent argument. Try another one
Of.course kirk is gona say this. He knew weeks before. Of course hes gona cover for cfp
If bylaws are listed under "other factors" then to most people it seems like those other factors like injury would be considered if say all 5 power 5 conference champions were undefeated. The committee had never done this before and kirk knows that! Also he was pushing leave fsu out before JT got hurt. Trying to save face. Everyone saw his reaction on the prayer pass against auburn. And to say it's only FSU fans who are pissed isn't factual.
Here is a idea
1 game play off for the #4 ploy off spot.
Alabama vs FSU
There is no excuse to exclude FSU and put in Alabama who needed a miracle to beat 5-loss Auburn two weeks ago. UGA lost one game in two years and suddenly went from number 1 to 6. There is no justification for this other than a completely corrupted process that allows this kind of jerry-rigging at the end to put in who they want. If FSU beats UGA, they should be crowned national champs.
I think you can say with fairness that FSU deserves to be in, but to say there is no reason to exclude them is just crazy talk. They lost their dominant QB, they looked pretty bad in the last several games, their actual SOS is below Bama who had more quality wins... the list goes on and on. Anyone who lost in their championship game was gonna drop to #6 or below... especially if all the other teams around won. To claim corruption is a bad excuse... all FSU had to do was dominate Louisville or even play them like Michigan played Iowa, and they are in.
This is why you cant rank based purely on win/loss all season! none of this would have been an issue if they had been applying the criteria all year long and not just at the very end. it would lead to more accurate rankings through the year that actually mean 1 is the best team, 2 is the second best team, 3 is the third and so on. Not who had the easiest schedule and gets more gimme games week to week.
Except that doesn't apply in this case. FSU's resume' was just a strong as any of the undefeateds and stronger than those teams with one-loss. They actually do what you are asking here. And they stopped doing it in the final rankings.
Your words will forever be tainted as long as ESPN is in bed with the SEC.
Herbstriet always has had nothing but negative things to say and has been cheering for the other team during live broadcast during FSU games. He shouldn't be allowed to commentate an FSU game but it is what it is.
Are we still doing this 🙄.... It's a whole soap opera
What people need to understand is the guidelines of missing personnel, common opponents, eye test, etc...are meant to be applied "ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL". FSU never should have been compared against anyone but Washington and Michigan.
alabama lost to texas barely beat auburn who lost to new mexico state barely beat ucf so if u wanna go by eye test barely beating arkansas barelly beating Texas AM so leave the eye test out of it there was nothing impressive about alabama this year except for the win over georgia
Y’all been planting the idea for FSU to be left out even before JT got injured.
Y’all are done.
@@BBean1 didn’t realize there was a committee back then either
My problem with 12 teams is that these corrupt bastards (cheerleaded by Kirk) will basically pack 4 or 5 SEC teams into the playoff before they even consider an ACC number 2 team.
What about the argument that the teams have to be COMPARABLE? ‘Bama had their chance to go undefeated and lost, at home. FSU was undefeated so all I’ve been saying is that the because of this the teams are not comparable!!! I don’t understand how it got down to these bylaws.