Well y'all are crazy if y'all think the #1 team all season should did 4 spots after a 3pt loss to a team that luckily beat a 5-7 team the previous week. So a 3pt win can bump you up 5 spots and drop a team 4 spots. So if they blew them out, should GA be out of the top 25 and Bama be #1? By that logic, both losses for Texas and Bama should've put them out of the top 25 a long time ago because they had horrible losses.
@@CooleyMe I feel ya on that but I ain't giving that dumbass committee a pass when my hometown USF almost beat Bama. Plus, I get Milroe has played a few good games but let's be serious. They've been ass this year and now they get a free ring. I don't like that at all when they could've ran it back in the playoff.
acting like the plan was for Bama to beat Georgia and knock them out of contention for their 3peat is quite the take. FSU obviously would have made it if the QB was not hurt but without him they are simply not viewed as a top 4 team. If you want the teams with the 4 best records then yeah FSU got robbed, if you want the 4 best teams then they did not. There is a reason Michigan fans are upset about getting Bama instead of FSU.
Not specifically Alabama but the SWC was not going to be left out. It's for ratings. If an SEC representative wasn't in the entire south was watching lol. Not to justify the action, but this is why they did it. If Bama was undefeated and lost it UGA in the SEC championship UGa would be in and Bama out. But FSU would be in because Texas would be two loss
Yeah everybody’s acting like Louisville wasn’t a ranked opponent. Furthermore like fsu didn’t beat several ranked teams. Also the media is overblowing Jordan Travis impact. As a fsu fan I can confidently say this year he regressed and I’m sure the stats show that. The defense has been winning games all year.
You guys are awesome ... totally genuine !!! And your opinions come from your experiences as collegiate and professional football players. You can relate to how the FSU and Georgia players feel after their entire season of games played and the dedicated work ethic
LSU fan here. When Alabama beat Georgia they were a lock to make the CFP. Alabama has previously made the CFP multiple times without even winning the SEC championship.
Yea but all of those times they made it in was when they were undefeated and lost in the SEC Championship game. So if anything that just makes a better case for Georgia rather than FSU
Still doesn’t make sense a team losing by 3 points being number 1 all year sopping out of the top 4 is crazy. If anything this was a year no SEC team make it
@@KP-sh9he Exactly I think that’s everyone’s main issue with Bama getting in. The committee acted like the SEC this year was like the SEC the years before. They went 7-9 against the other conferences this year. Plus Alabama already has convincingly lost to Texas. Why they think a 3 point win usurps everything Georgia and FSU proved all year is beyond me
Ohio State won the championship with a 3RD STRING QB, people forget that. JT came in for Braxton that year & then he got hurt & Cardale came in for him. They won 50-0 that year in the B1G Championship game but Wisconsin was basically the equivalent of Iowa this year.
They won 50-0 tho with a 3rd string. FSU won like 16-6 nobody trynna see FSU get blowed out. I don’t think Bama should’ve went but the are the SEC champs so fuck it🤷🏾♂️
@@juallen4396that’s true but in FSU’s defense, That third string guy wasn’t going to play if they made the playoffs. The actual backup played better and only had a concussion and would’ve been back by the playoff game
We Smoked UW in that championship game though, like we didn’t look like Chardale was a 3rd string QB. And that was confirmed by the win in the Sugar Bowl against Bama. Its nowhere near the same.
Appreciate honesty & actual discussion. I'm an FSU fan & have been sick since CFP decision + media backing up the choice cuz of $$$. Thanks for being real.
Appreciative of the TH-cam algorithm gods for depositing this video on my channel. Admittedly, I’ve been rage watching the coverage of the snub. 😂 but it really is refreshing to hear professionals. Just tell the truth and not try to gaslight viewers into believing that what happened was justifiable or OK
Bottom line, the committee didn’t want the SEC and ESPN(who has an upcoming billion dollar tv deal with the SEC) to be on their case about leaving them out.
If I’m from FSU or Georgia I wouldn’t play at all if I got some hope for the league. I’d let all my teammates who have no dreams beyond college get their shine. Wouldn’t catch me risking injury for some bullshit bowl game.
I agree, why not give Alabama an automatic bid to the tournament every year? 🤷♂️ why even play a schedule? Let the committee pick the 3 best SEC teams and 3 best big ten teams, with the other conference champions; give them automatic tournament bids before the season starts. They play matchmaker anyway. There’s no objective unbiased criteria for picking teams, that the committee uses. Let’s just make paper champions and matchmaker champions. No need for a schedule at this point, let’s put the teams with the most 5 star recruits. 😮
The SEC is 7-9 in non conference games. Georgia had a cake walk schedule all year and lost their toughest game. They needed a prayer to beat Georgia Tech. I don’t feel sorry for Georgia one bit. The real conversation is why does Michigan undefeated record mean more than FSU’s? Did we for get Michigan lost to TCU last year in the playoffs when they were the clear favorite. College football is all about money.
This length of video is perfect, I'll be honest. I've watched the whole pod before, but yeah, like a long discussion on one topic is something I'd easily watch.
It shows that it doesn’t matter what you accomplish. Winning every game doesn’t matter. By this philosophy just put UGA and bama in to start every year bc they have the most talent. Also it goes against everything that is great in sports and taught to us at a young age. That even though you’re an underdog you show up and play.. who cares if your starting qb is out, I guess you’re just expected to forfeit your season? Ridiculous
Honestly, If we go by that, you could put Texas A&M in there because on paper they should be great. But that’s why the game is played. To settle it on the field.
Tell king it was a good thing auburn didn’t make the championship in 04. Even you know auburn didn’t have a chance against usc. USC demolished auburn at auburn the year before and auburn basically returned the same squad
$12 billion contract between SEC and ESPN means an SEC team gets in no matter what..$10 billion contract between Big10 and Fox.no contract with the ACC..nuff said
Michigan didn’t react cause they know they’re going to have to play against bama, the ncaa, and the refs. I guarantee you if this game is close Michigan is gonna get screwed
Bro I’m a life long Bama fan and graduate and I thought I was being bias but he literally is going hard at Bama consistently. We got an Auburn and LSU player trying to not be bias. That’s never happening.
In 2004 there had to be an undefeated team left out no matter what. It sucks. The difference is now there is 4 spots for playoff teams. There was room for all 3 undefeated plus a one loss team.
But there lies the problem. They couldn't put UGA after losing and Bama already lost to Texas. And they weren't leaving an SEC champ out. So they kicked the weakest undefeated out which is just elitist at this point.
@@richardsomebody996 that's obvious. That's why I put they are elitist. They are going off pass resumes not even just this season. And I am a bama fan. I was prepared to not be in the big dance. But FSU got screwed
For the 12 team playoff it should be the conference champions get an automatic bid and then 2 at large bids. It’s really not that hard and the fairest way to do it.
The dumbest thing about the playoff is how it has made the conference championships not matter AT ALL. Bama made it in 17 without even PLAYING in the conference championship. TCU made it last year after losing their conference game. Why even play conference championships?
It is super weird when you think about it that a group of 13 60 year olds vote who makes the playoffs while eating a catered lunch. No other sport is like this. Googled definition of playoff: The playoffs, play-offs, postseason or finals of a sports league are a competition played after the regular season by the top competitors to determine the league champion or a similar accolade.
Y’all some real old heads 😂cause ain’t no way I’m playing in a bullshit bowl game when you told me winning games don’t matter. All of FSU saw what happened to Jordan Travis in an insignificant game and you think anyone should risk that for this??? For what???
@@dariuswilliams3206 makes sense but in years past, Florida wins those out of conference games. Alls I’m saying is; the SEC didn’t perform how it has in the past compared to the games this year. Correct or not?
GA should not have dropped out of the top 4 from losing to Bama. Thats crazy and im a Nole fan. When GA lost, i knew the committee was gonna screw FSU. I knew it
People willing to look past Alabama struggling against Auburn the week before the SEC championship is wild. The excuse is it’s the iron bowl but Ohio State loses to Michigan currently the number 1 team and that’s their only loss gets them ranked 7th.
Exactly!!! And how much did Vegas think Bama would win that game by? Yet it took a miracle AND a prayer for Bama to pull it off. The committee single handedly destroyed its own legitimacy, the legitimacy of the playoff system, and to some degree the legitimacy of college football. The extent of the latter may not even be realized for years to come
@@otismichael2583 exactly! I don't understand how we got to the point of the term "bad win" even existing. I'm afraid the sport I've watched and loved for 40 years is gone and not coming back
Ima Buckeye fan and everyone knows what happened the first year when we started a 3rd string in the B1G championship. We won 59-0 if FSU’s 3rd string QB was anything close to that they would’ve been in. They didn’t look good bruh 🤷🏾♂️, like wtf they going to do in the Playoff kick field goals???
As another buckeye guy... we went into the Wisconsin game with a loss already to VT earlier that year So we had no choice but to prove ourselves. FSU didn't go in with a loss having to prove anything. We keep making excuses of why FSU shouldn't be in but at the end of this day this is how sports work. 5power conferences, 4 playoff spots... 3 out of the 5 went undefeated with a conference championship... The other 2 had 1 loss teams... 1,2,3 should be Mich, was, fsu.. number 4 should be a discussion between texas, bama. The committee is just liars... I mean hell, they already had Georgia and bama in the playoffs before the season even started. So clearly a loss is more important than a win now...
To be fair, why did Georgia and bama not play earlier during the season? FSU plays the best teams in the ACC every year. They played and beat Clemson on the road. Do you guys really think bama beats Clemson in Death Valley? Nope
When next season starts, the 12 team CFP will end this biased debate. Nobody will get robbed, screwed, snubbed, etc.. This will open the door for other qualified teams to showcase their talents and schools
This is all culminating from the natty last year. The committee chose to put who they felt were the best four teams to play this out “fairly” instead of potentially wasting another big game on a blow out because a team “deserved” it
The problem I have with ppl saying Bama shouldn’t be in is that everyone is ignoring that Texas jumped 4 spots after losing to a 12th ranked team and beating a 18th ranked team but on the flip side Bama lost to a 7th/3rd ranked team and beat number 1 ranked back 2 back national champs that was on a 29 game win streak. On top of Bama was 5th in strength of schedule I personally think that they earned the spot. I think you say Texas should be in then Bama did too, if you feel going undefeated matters then liberty and fsu should be here. I personally would have Bama and fsu in
No one is saying just any undefeated team should be in... We are saying FSU because they are part of the power 5 conference, with winning with 2 schools out of the sec, with overcoming thier obstacles when their starter QB went down and number 2 QB went down, while holding Louisville in the conference championship to only 6 points who were averaging 30 a game. That's why FSU should be in... It was all BS before the season even started when alot of analyst had Georgia and bama in the college playoffs. That means that you are already creating the narrative that a loss matters more than a win.. Saban was already stirring the pot when he was calling it out in the media how TCU didn't deserve to be in that game last year because it wasn't competitive. Maybe it wasn't competitive but TCU beat who was put in front of them to earn the right to play..This is how sports work.
I’m convinced that if FSU blew out UM (like they were supposed to) they would be in no question. Being undefeated and not be top 4, committee was nitpicking for a reason to get fsu out of there and losing Travis (viewership & $ reasons) and struggling against an unranked UM team ultimately led to their robbery.
On an unrelated note, JC what do y’all think about the NFL banning the “Tush push”? It’s more a question for King but as a defensive player like I was (DT) I wanna know how you feel about it too. I feel like banning it isn’t fair. I know it’s difficult to defend it but it’s also difficult to be successful at it. If they want to make it more fair, then allow the linebackers to push their DTs like the RBs and QBs push their centers and guards.
If Georgia had taken care of business, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It would be Georgia, Washington, Michigan ( cheaters, with the weakest schedule) and FSU. 10 games and ACC BEAT THE SEC 6-4
The SEC generates too much revenue compared to the other conferences to be left out. If the SEC had a 2 or 3 loss conference champion, they would find a way to get somebody from that conference in.
the committee was never going to leave out the SEC champ and the only way to get Bama in was to put Texas ahead of them because of the head to head early in the season. If UGA wins we have the 4 undefeated conference champs in the playoff and 1 loss Texas gets left out
UGA has yrs of top 5 top recruiting classes of depth the Norvell era at FSU has really only just started in earnest the last couple of yrs so as an FSU fan I expect most of the draft guys on both teams to sit it out but I'd be surprised if my boys win we aren't there yet talent wise we at least a couple more yrs of recruiting classes to close the talent gap
Texas best win was alabama. Alabama best win was Georgia. Alabama lost to Texas. Texas lost to Oklahoma. Resume to resume Alabamas was better. Texas kept Fsu out not Bama. But its Bama so I understand the hate. I still fux wit yall!!
Bro, ACC record vs SEC is 6-4 this year. Everybody riding on what happened in previous seasons. Looking at THIS season, the undefACC Champions FSU should've been in.
2004 had 3 undefeated power 5 teams. One was going to be left out… a one loss team and an undefeated, both with practically equal strength of records has never been jumped. Texas had the worse loss out of the top 6 teams, shouldn’t even been considered. Head to head is important but being a top team losses should carry more weight. Simple.
To your hypothetical, if bama was undefeated and lost to UGA. UGA would be in and likely bama would be out. But texas would be out sndt FSU would be in. SEC would be in and you would have 3 undefeated.
The committee got it right. FSU does not deserve to be in. They would’ve got drugged. I’m assuming yall forgot that they were down to there 3rd string QB and even had a wideout playing QB. None of those QB’s at FSU are C. Jones (OSU) or J. Hurts (Bama) speaking of backups.
This conversation shows y’all not looking at it as BUSINESSmen. Y’all looking at it as strictly football. If you saw it from a business side it would’ve been bad business because you really think FSU 3rd string who put 55 total offense in the first half you smoking CRACK. And that Ohio state rebuttal? This is why context matters. Yea they won with a 3rd string but you forgot how they DOMINANTLY beat everybody. It wasn’t even close. FSU was straight doodoo man be real
I think it's less about FSU getting blown out. Michigan doesn't normally run the score up. And FSU has a top 6 defense. The problem is that ratings would drop due to no one from the south watching at all. And those billion dollar TV deals mean something
@@jacobhayes8324I have to disagree I think because the committee felt they wasn’t the same team as before it highly have to do with fsu. If fsu won with a better score and stats they would’ve got in forsho regardless if Texas lost or not. The south argument I disagree because you have Texas and Texas is fans love Texas. The big thing here is Georgia lost lol and they lost in unfavorable fashion.
@@PrincePDaPrince Texas is one state. A huge state but one state. And not all of Texas are longhorn fans. But not having any SEC team in the playoffs would be terrible for ratings. And yes if FSU did better they would be in. But that is mainly due to path of least resistance. If FSU balled out their hands would be tied. FSU QB and that championship gave the committee a way out sadly
Life isn’t fair. Bama beat the #1 team in the country. Let’s look at the criteria of bama and Florida st. Best wins: BAMA best strength of schedule and record: bama key player/players lost: Florida st.
No bro their reasoning for not putting them into the playoffs is because they had the 55th ranked schedule bro. Bama had 4th ranked hardest schedule. Florida state didn’t play anybody worth them getting into the playoffs.
King usc was smacking any team in 04. Didn’t matter who lined up against them, usc throttled auburn in 03 at auburn and auburn was basically the same squad in 04
I know this is not popular and this is not meant to be a hot take, but how good is FSU? They played the 55th hardest schedule. That’s the middle of the pack. They could be just very good, not elite. They look elite because they have played a lot of weak teams. Two thirds of their schedule was against teams that were sub-500 or not in the Power 5. Their best win is over an eventual three loss LSU team in the first week. The second over a 4 loss Clemson. Their third was over Louisville who a week or two before had lost to a 5 loss Kentucky. Yes they worked hard and beat everyone, but let’s be honest, compared to Bama’s resume it’s fairly lack lustre. Of course they are going to look really good playing weaker teams week after week. Bama’s resume is not perfect, but its degree of difficulty was much much harder than FSU’s.
I'm sorry, I am with Sweet. The system being the system is a poor excuse. A team falling from 1 to 6/8 is a bit ridiculous. You are telling me I can lose but just don't lose at the end of the year.
Fsu played like trash. They should of lost at least 2 games this season. I’m glad they arnt in. No one wanted to watch that trash team. Should of been Michigan Washington Georgia Bama
Go Noles!.. Ef everybody else.. The thing that sux is we try to make an inplace system better instead of building a new one.. (the rankings) good idea fairy here.. copy the NFL to a point not all can come I know some schools just don't have it.. but overall set up regions like the AFC north as confrences then the best records from each region play in the playoffs ef rankings.. I cut a lot out but thats the overall point
As a UGA fan, us not handling our business & beating Bama caused this problem.
As a dawg, I agree
Well y'all are crazy if y'all think the #1 team all season should did 4 spots after a 3pt loss to a team that luckily beat a 5-7 team the previous week. So a 3pt win can bump you up 5 spots and drop a team 4 spots. So if they blew them out, should GA be out of the top 25 and Bama be #1? By that logic, both losses for Texas and Bama should've put them out of the top 25 a long time ago because they had horrible losses.
@@TLR1988 naw we just saying none of this would have happened if we took care of them boys! We shouldn’t have even loss to them
@@CooleyMe I feel ya on that but I ain't giving that dumbass committee a pass when my hometown USF almost beat Bama. Plus, I get Milroe has played a few good games but let's be serious. They've been ass this year and now they get a free ring. I don't like that at all when they could've ran it back in the playoff.
@@CooleyMedont feel bad man. We had the opportunity to finish the job the week before in the iron bowl and we muffed that up. (Pun intended)
Mad Respect to Mr. COLLINS for being a proponent of fairness over popularity.
Him and King are speaking facts tho. Yes the best teams should be the ones playing but we all know they're not gonna leave out the money.
FSU got robbed. They earned their spot. Team absolutely loaded with nfl talent. The plan was to put Alabama in no matter what.
They earned their spot with travis. Not that bum back up
acting like the plan was for Bama to beat Georgia and knock them out of contention for their 3peat is quite the take. FSU obviously would have made it if the QB was not hurt but without him they are simply not viewed as a top 4 team. If you want the teams with the 4 best records then yeah FSU got robbed, if you want the 4 best teams then they did not. There is a reason Michigan fans are upset about getting Bama instead of FSU.
@@laserchiefwankoo204 won three games with the second and third string QB. Including the ACC championship
@@harryhowell5644winning against cupcakes doesn’t really help the case
Not specifically Alabama but the SWC was not going to be left out. It's for ratings. If an SEC representative wasn't in the entire south was watching lol. Not to justify the action, but this is why they did it. If Bama was undefeated and lost it UGA in the SEC championship UGa would be in and Bama out. But FSU would be in because Texas would be two loss
FSU showed the best defense in the nation. 17 tackles for loss, 7 sacks and 10 pass breakups, against a top 17 offense
Yeah everybody’s acting like Louisville wasn’t a ranked opponent. Furthermore like fsu didn’t beat several ranked teams. Also the media is overblowing Jordan Travis impact. As a fsu fan I can confidently say this year he regressed and I’m sure the stats show that. The defense has been winning games all year.
Best is subjective
Deserving is objective
You guys are awesome ... totally genuine !!! And your opinions come from your experiences as collegiate and professional football players.
You can relate to how the FSU and Georgia players feel after their entire season of games played and the dedicated work ethic
LSU fan here. When Alabama beat Georgia they were a lock to make the CFP. Alabama has previously made the CFP multiple times without even winning the SEC championship.
Yea but all of those times they made it in was when they were undefeated and lost in the SEC Championship game. So if anything that just makes a better case for Georgia rather than FSU
Alabama hasn’t lost an sec championship game since the cfp but they have made it without reaching the sec championship game
Still doesn’t make sense a team losing by 3 points being number 1 all year sopping out of the top 4 is crazy. If anything this was a year no SEC team make it
@@KP-sh9he Exactly I think that’s everyone’s main issue with Bama getting in. The committee acted like the SEC this year was like the SEC the years before. They went 7-9 against the other conferences this year. Plus Alabama already has convincingly lost to Texas. Why they think a 3 point win usurps everything Georgia and FSU proved all year is beyond me
@@KP-sh9he"if ANYTHING" bro, Texas lost to Oklahoma. Why do they deserve it?
JC definitely has evolving into a great podcaster. You can tell he does research on it
I agree but he talking kraxy on this 1
@@yeenkno nah lol and he could really be biased for the SEC but he isn’t
WE NOT TIRED OF SEEING IT ROLLLLL DAMNNN TIDE
Ohio State won the championship with a 3RD STRING QB, people forget that. JT came in for Braxton that year & then he got hurt & Cardale came in for him. They won 50-0 that year in the B1G Championship game but Wisconsin was basically the equivalent of Iowa this year.
They won 50-0 tho with a 3rd string. FSU won like 16-6 nobody trynna see FSU get blowed out. I don’t think Bama should’ve went but the are the SEC champs so fuck it🤷🏾♂️
@@juallen4396that’s true but in FSU’s defense, That third string guy wasn’t going to play if they made the playoffs. The actual backup played better and only had a concussion and would’ve been back by the playoff game
Bro stop with this dumb ass narrative that Ohio state was LOADED! FSU isn’t that, stop trying to compare.
@marcusjackson8084 don't even bother fam. These fools out here convinced that we ain't deserve a shot.
We Smoked UW in that championship game though, like we didn’t look like Chardale was a 3rd string QB. And that was confirmed by the win in the Sugar Bowl against Bama. Its nowhere near the same.
Appreciate honesty & actual discussion. I'm an FSU fan & have been sick since CFP decision + media backing up the choice cuz of $$$. Thanks for being real.
I'm in that same boat with u my friend u are not alone # GO NOLES
Appreciative of the TH-cam algorithm gods for depositing this video on my channel. Admittedly, I’ve been rage watching the coverage of the snub. 😂 but it really is refreshing to hear professionals. Just tell the truth and not try to gaslight viewers into believing that what happened was justifiable or OK
Bottom line, the committee didn’t want the SEC and ESPN(who has an upcoming billion dollar tv deal with the SEC) to be on their case about leaving them out.
Just to clarify its 3 billion
Kirk was alluding to that before Jordan Travis went down.
Jaylon Smith got hurt in a bowl game and went from a top 5 pick to a 2nd round project. Every since then, players have been opting out
And he never returned to form really and was still having issues with drop foot
Big facts
generally it's just the guys who have a 1st round grade that are opting out
If I’m from FSU or Georgia I wouldn’t play at all if I got some hope for the league. I’d let all my teammates who have no dreams beyond college get their shine.
Wouldn’t catch me risking injury for some bullshit bowl game.
Basically FSU's entire roster has already opted out
I agree, why not give Alabama an automatic bid to the tournament every year? 🤷♂️ why even play a schedule? Let the committee pick the 3 best SEC teams and 3 best big ten teams, with the other conference champions; give them automatic tournament bids before the season starts. They play matchmaker anyway. There’s no objective unbiased criteria for picking teams, that the committee uses. Let’s just make paper champions and matchmaker champions. No need for a schedule at this point, let’s put the teams with the most 5 star recruits. 😮
The SEC is 7-9 in non conference games. Georgia had a cake walk schedule all year and lost their toughest game. They needed a prayer to beat Georgia Tech. I don’t feel sorry for Georgia one bit. The real conversation is why does Michigan undefeated record mean more than FSU’s? Did we for get Michigan lost to TCU last year in the playoffs when they were the clear favorite. College football is all about money.
This length of video is perfect, I'll be honest. I've watched the whole pod before, but yeah, like a long discussion on one topic is something I'd easily watch.
“FAWKIN SHIT man, CHRIST” 😂 love yall keep being yall
It shows that it doesn’t matter what you accomplish. Winning every game doesn’t matter. By this philosophy just put UGA and bama in to start every year bc they have the most talent. Also it goes against everything that is great in sports and taught to us at a young age. That even though you’re an underdog you show up and play.. who cares if your starting qb is out, I guess you’re just expected to forfeit your season? Ridiculous
Honestly,
If we go by that, you could put Texas A&M in there because on paper they should be great. But that’s why the game is played. To settle it on the field.
Tell king it was a good thing auburn didn’t make the championship in 04. Even you know auburn didn’t have a chance against usc. USC demolished auburn at auburn the year before and auburn basically returned the same squad
Hopefully things are fun with the 12 team playoff
@@huejaynus3134that’s a lie they won by 14 and the next year aub was better
@@gelato3299 you're being delusional. Usc blanked auburn 23-0 in 03. Absolutely demolished them
Totally agree! College football is wild. Power 1 was spot on
$12 billion contract between SEC and ESPN means an SEC team gets in no matter what..$10 billion contract between Big10 and Fox.no contract with the ACC..nuff said
Exactly. The whole damn revenue model for college football as a whole is a conflict of interest!!!
This needs more likes. It's been a long time since college football was more about most deserving over money
I don’t feel Georgia should’ve dropped that far for losing by 3. That was bs.
Michigan didn’t react cause they know they’re going to have to play against bama, the ncaa, and the refs. I guarantee you if this game is close Michigan is gonna get screwed
As a fan of LSU, JC really doesn't like Bama at all, and I respect it, but just keep 100. You don't want them in bc you can't ever ride with the TIDE!
Bro I’m a life long Bama fan and graduate and I thought I was being bias but he literally is going hard at Bama consistently. We got an Auburn and LSU player trying to not be bias. That’s never happening.
In 2004 there had to be an undefeated team left out no matter what. It sucks. The difference is now there is 4 spots for playoff teams. There was room for all 3 undefeated plus a one loss team.
But there lies the problem. They couldn't put UGA after losing and Bama already lost to Texas. And they weren't leaving an SEC champ out. So they kicked the weakest undefeated out which is just elitist at this point.
There was 5 undefeated teams in 2004
Let me correct Jacob. They left out the “perceived” weakest undefeated team. Only one way to know for sure.
@@richardsomebody996 that's obvious. That's why I put they are elitist. They are going off pass resumes not even just this season. And I am a bama fan. I was prepared to not be in the big dance. But FSU got screwed
@@cmoneyno5 yeah that problem could have only been solved in 2024.
For the 12 team playoff it should be the conference champions get an automatic bid and then 2 at large bids. It’s really not that hard and the fairest way to do it.
The dumbest thing about the playoff is how it has made the conference championships not matter AT ALL. Bama made it in 17 without even PLAYING in the conference championship. TCU made it last year after losing their conference game. Why even play conference championships?
Say it a little louder
I mean do we really need to see some of the other less talented conferences get blown out by 40 every year
Why do we not have it this year acc?
It is super weird when you think about it that a group of 13 60 year olds vote who makes the playoffs while eating a catered lunch. No other sport is like this.
Googled definition of playoff:
The playoffs, play-offs, postseason or finals of a sports league are a competition played after the regular season by the top competitors to determine the league champion or a similar accolade.
Y’all some real old heads 😂cause ain’t no way I’m playing in a bullshit bowl game when you told me winning games don’t matter.
All of FSU saw what happened to Jordan Travis in an insignificant game and you think anyone should risk that for this??? For what???
This shit bout to be the SEC B1G invitational 😢
7:28 ACC vs SEC this year 6-4, just saying 🤷🏽♂️
Acc beat up on all the 3 win sec teams
@@sincityraised702and SEC beat up on nobody but themselves against top competition.
@@sincityraised702 in years past, that doesn’t matter; the SEC usually wins those. But this year has been different
Two South Carolina wins, a Vandy win, a Florida win, and an A&M win. LSU, you got it. The rest are not impressive.
@@dariuswilliams3206 makes sense but in years past, Florida wins those out of conference games. Alls I’m saying is; the SEC didn’t perform how it has in the past compared to the games this year. Correct or not?
GA should not have dropped out of the top 4 from losing to Bama. Thats crazy and im a Nole fan. When GA lost, i knew the committee was gonna screw FSU. I knew it
Tx loss to Ok
No one is arguing for an undefeated G5 team to go to the playoffs. Not this year anyway. Liberty talk is cap.
The bama hate is real in that ‘cooked’ room lol 😂
it’s bama hate everywhere 😂just gotta tune em out lol
People willing to look past Alabama struggling against Auburn the week before the SEC championship is wild. The excuse is it’s the iron bowl but Ohio State loses to Michigan currently the number 1 team and that’s their only loss gets them ranked 7th.
Exactly!!! And how much did Vegas think Bama would win that game by? Yet it took a miracle AND a prayer for Bama to pull it off.
The committee single handedly destroyed its own legitimacy, the legitimacy of the playoff system, and to some degree the legitimacy of college football. The extent of the latter may not even be realized for years to come
Right. FSU beat their bad rival by 9pts and its considered a bad win. Bama beat their bad rival by 3 and its considered a good win.
@@otismichael2583 exactly! I don't understand how we got to the point of the term "bad win" even existing. I'm afraid the sport I've watched and loved for 40 years is gone and not coming back
I dont understand when losing at home by 10 became a “good loss” I don’t care how early it was in the season. A loss is a loss.
Ima Buckeye fan and everyone knows what happened the first year when we started a 3rd string in the B1G championship. We won 59-0 if FSU’s 3rd string QB was anything close to that they would’ve been in. They didn’t look good bruh 🤷🏾♂️, like wtf they going to do in the Playoff kick field goals???
Facts!!!!
Their defense would shut you down completely don’t discount defense!
@@danaleestephens1686 Absolutely Not. They cannot stop Maserit Marv. O H
As another buckeye guy... we went into the Wisconsin game with a loss already to VT earlier that year So we had no choice but to prove ourselves. FSU didn't go in with a loss having to prove anything. We keep making excuses of why FSU shouldn't be in but at the end of this day this is how sports work. 5power conferences, 4 playoff spots... 3 out of the 5 went undefeated with a conference championship... The other 2 had 1 loss teams... 1,2,3 should be Mich, was, fsu.. number 4 should be a discussion between texas, bama. The committee is just liars... I mean hell, they already had Georgia and bama in the playoffs before the season even started. So clearly a loss is more important than a win now...
They held a top 10 offense that average 33ppg to 6 pts. Rodemaker has experience and would've had an entire month to prepare.
Clemson wasn’t getting in either they did everything they could to get a sec team in.
Finally JC got on the merch! Good on yuh bro!
Exactly 💯If It Was Clemson They Would've Been In
Florida got played hands down.
To be fair, why did Georgia and bama not play earlier during the season? FSU plays the best teams in the ACC every year. They played and beat Clemson on the road. Do you guys really think bama beats Clemson in Death Valley? Nope
Nobody advocating for Liberty being undefeated tho 😂😂😂
lol it’s cause of their schedules lol so hypocritical
Liberty isn't power 5. At this point no power 5 schools need to make their own championship because it's not happening any other way
What did Sweet say to get bleeped!? 😂😂😂
I’m glad that they aren’t coming down on us as hard as Bama .
& the PAC-12 was head & shoulders above the ACC this year
When next season starts, the 12 team CFP will end this biased debate. Nobody will get robbed, screwed, snubbed, etc.. This will open the door for other qualified teams to showcase their talents and schools
This is all culminating from the natty last year. The committee chose to put who they felt were the best four teams to play this out “fairly” instead of potentially wasting another big game on a blow out because a team “deserved” it
Its Texas! Thats the team in question. Bama beat the #1 team in the nation. Texas beat Bama but that win became irrelevant after the OU game.
I hate Bama to but Michigan reaction shows they belong to be there
So they want FSU in, but they all picked GA to win?!??! Make it make sense
Because you have to understand cfb and their playoff system. Prob won’t be an issue when they expand it (uga would’ve benefited from that)
The problem I have with ppl saying Bama shouldn’t be in is that everyone is ignoring that Texas jumped 4 spots after losing to a 12th ranked team and beating a 18th ranked team but on the flip side Bama lost to a 7th/3rd ranked team and beat number 1 ranked back 2 back national champs that was on a 29 game win streak. On top of Bama was 5th in strength of schedule
I personally think that they earned the spot. I think you say Texas should be in then Bama did too, if you feel going undefeated matters then liberty and fsu should be here. I personally would have Bama and fsu in
No one is saying just any undefeated team should be in... We are saying FSU because they are part of the power 5 conference, with winning with 2 schools out of the sec, with overcoming thier obstacles when their starter QB went down and number 2 QB went down, while holding Louisville in the conference championship to only 6 points who were averaging 30 a game. That's why FSU should be in... It was all BS before the season even started when alot of analyst had Georgia and bama in the college playoffs. That means that you are already creating the narrative that a loss matters more than a win.. Saban was already stirring the pot when he was calling it out in the media how TCU didn't deserve to be in that game last year because it wasn't competitive. Maybe it wasn't competitive but TCU beat who was put in front of them to earn the right to play..This is how sports work.
I’m convinced that if FSU blew out UM (like they were supposed to) they would be in no question. Being undefeated and not be top 4, committee was nitpicking for a reason to get fsu out of there and losing Travis (viewership & $ reasons) and struggling against an unranked UM team ultimately led to their robbery.
On an unrelated note, JC what do y’all think about the NFL banning the “Tush push”? It’s more a question for King but as a defensive player like I was (DT) I wanna know how you feel about it too.
I feel like banning it isn’t fair. I know it’s difficult to defend it but it’s also difficult to be successful at it. If they want to make it more fair, then allow the linebackers to push their DTs like the RBs and QBs push their centers and guards.
Gahdammit THANK YOU JC!!!!! And I respect King's hate cuz of what happened his undefeated year 😂😂😂
If Georgia had taken care of business, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It would be Georgia, Washington, Michigan ( cheaters, with the weakest schedule) and FSU. 10 games and ACC BEAT THE SEC 6-4
They dropped Bama 6-7 spots to that Texas loss. I’m trying to see their point as of the ranking. Bama is a better team since then.
It's all money with conferences realigning the way they are pure power move by ESPN. FSU and Miami were sent a clear signal by the stake holders.
13-0 Go Noles!!
Realistically Texas should’ve been at 3, FSU at 4 and Bama at 5 with UGA at 6.
The SEC generates too much revenue compared to the other conferences to be left out. If the SEC had a 2 or 3 loss conference champion, they would find a way to get somebody from that conference in.
the committee was never going to leave out the SEC champ and the only way to get Bama in was to put Texas ahead of them because of the head to head early in the season. If UGA wins we have the 4 undefeated conference champs in the playoff and 1 loss Texas gets left out
SEC 7-9 against non-conference
Can we all just agree the committee wants a Texas v bama natty, like it’s basically 2 sec teams in the playoffs
Maybe. I think they put Bama in slick to make it harder for Michigan to win, especially with their scandal going on.
Washington is in the B10 next year so it is really 2 B10 and 2 SEC schools in the Committee For Profit Invitational.
@@stevejamieson8468 I forgot they were leaving for the Big ten
I’m calling it now. When the 12 team playoff start. SEC will have 6 of those slots.
Let's be real.....FSU would be +10.5 at least to all 4 teams in the playoff!
Just like Washington was a +10 vs Oregon in the PAC-12 Championship .
@@MoodyMichaelj that was dumb 2
I’m gonna need all of y’all to put some respect on Michigan now and not later 😅 GO BLUE
UGA has yrs of top 5 top recruiting classes of depth the Norvell era at FSU has really only just started in earnest the last couple of yrs so as an FSU fan I expect most of the draft guys on both teams to sit it out but I'd be surprised if my boys win we aren't there yet talent wise we at least a couple more yrs of recruiting classes to close the talent gap
Should have been:
1. Mich
2. Wash
3. Fsu
4. Tx
The CFP really means Committee For Profit, the SEC was 4-6 vs the ACC this year.
Texas best win was alabama. Alabama best win was Georgia. Alabama lost to Texas. Texas lost to Oklahoma. Resume to resume Alabamas was better. Texas kept Fsu out not Bama. But its Bama so I understand the hate. I still fux wit yall!!
Stfu u sound dumb we above yall n beat y’all head to head its between y’all n fsu dumb ass
Sweets right as a BAMA fan auburn was robbed in 04
Bro, ACC record vs SEC is 6-4 this year. Everybody riding on what happened in previous seasons. Looking at THIS season, the undefACC Champions FSU should've been in.
I can’t wait for the day that a SEC championship game has both teams with 2 losses and there’s 4 other undefeated teams in the power 5
Both teams would still make the playoffs because they’re going to 12 next year.
2004 had 3 undefeated power 5 teams. One was going to be left out… a one loss team and an undefeated, both with practically equal strength of records has never been jumped.
Texas had the worse loss out of the top 6 teams, shouldn’t even been considered. Head to head is important but being a top team losses should carry more weight. Simple.
There were 5 undefeated teams in 2004...
And honestly Auburn was the 4th best undefeated team in 2004...
With 12 teams playing, more losses and they will still make top 12. Nature of the beast. They need to play tougher teams all around
I love this podcast
To your hypothetical, if bama was undefeated and lost to UGA. UGA would be in and likely bama would be out. But texas would be out sndt FSU would be in. SEC would be in and you would have 3 undefeated.
If it was LSU instead Bama JC would not have this energy my boy salty my Nigga hate Bama 😂😂😂😂
The committee got it right. FSU does not deserve to be in. They would’ve got drugged. I’m assuming yall forgot that they were down to there 3rd string QB and even had a wideout playing QB. None of those QB’s at FSU are C. Jones (OSU) or J. Hurts (Bama) speaking of backups.
Aye I fw yall but you not gone trick me a LSU and Auburn Alum not gone have me thinking they not biased😂
they simply just don’t like bama it’s gon be the same people complaining next year
FSU got screwed over and the SEC is not this great conference like everyone thinks they are OVERHYPED and OVERATTED
Much respect on this. Nole players and coaches put it all out there. This isn’t what football is about
The SEC was not the best conference this year king has so much SEC bias
This conversation shows y’all not looking at it as BUSINESSmen. Y’all looking at it as strictly football. If you saw it from a business side it would’ve been bad business because you really think FSU 3rd string who put 55 total offense in the first half you smoking CRACK. And that Ohio state rebuttal? This is why context matters. Yea they won with a 3rd string but you forgot how they DOMINANTLY beat everybody. It wasn’t even close. FSU was straight doodoo man be real
I think it's less about FSU getting blown out. Michigan doesn't normally run the score up. And FSU has a top 6 defense. The problem is that ratings would drop due to no one from the south watching at all. And those billion dollar TV deals mean something
@@jacobhayes8324I have to disagree I think because the committee felt they wasn’t the same team as before it highly have to do with fsu. If fsu won with a better score and stats they would’ve got in forsho regardless if Texas lost or not. The south argument I disagree because you have Texas and Texas is fans love Texas. The big thing here is Georgia lost lol and they lost in unfavorable fashion.
@@PrincePDaPrince Texas is one state. A huge state but one state. And not all of Texas are longhorn fans. But not having any SEC team in the playoffs would be terrible for ratings. And yes if FSU did better they would be in. But that is mainly due to path of least resistance. If FSU balled out their hands would be tied. FSU QB and that championship gave the committee a way out sadly
Life isn’t fair. Bama beat the #1 team in the country. Let’s look at the criteria of bama and Florida st. Best wins: BAMA best strength of schedule and record: bama key player/players lost: Florida st.
Bama had 4th strength of record fsu had 3rd. Strength of schedule is determined before the season starts
No bro their reasoning for not putting them into the playoffs is because they had the 55th ranked schedule bro. Bama had 4th ranked hardest schedule. Florida state didn’t play anybody worth them getting into the playoffs.
King usc was smacking any team in 04. Didn’t matter who lined up against them, usc throttled auburn in 03 at auburn and auburn was basically the same squad in 04
King conveniently left this out... Honestly Utah was better than Auburn
Bo Nix threw screens all year. Give the credit to these athletes, making it happen.
Bro do y’all not know that strength of schedule and strength of resume also come into play??? People don’t know the rules and it shows
UGA would be favorites against any of the teams in the playoffs
I know this is not popular and this is not meant to be a hot take, but how good is FSU? They played the 55th hardest schedule. That’s the middle of the pack. They could be just very good, not elite. They look elite because they have played a lot of weak teams. Two thirds of their schedule was against teams that were sub-500 or not in the Power 5. Their best win is over an eventual three loss LSU team in the first week. The second over a 4 loss Clemson. Their third was over Louisville who a week or two before had lost to a 5 loss Kentucky. Yes they worked hard and beat everyone, but let’s be honest, compared to Bama’s resume it’s fairly lack lustre. Of course they are going to look really good playing weaker teams week after week. Bama’s resume is not perfect, but its degree of difficulty was much much harder than FSU’s.
We have to get rid of the committee asap. We can use the BCS to rank the top 12.
That’s what it is next year do yall not know that?
Next year it is 12 team playoff
I'm sorry, I am with Sweet. The system being the system is a poor excuse. A team falling from 1 to 6/8 is a bit ridiculous. You are telling me I can lose but just don't lose at the end of the year.
JC jus a bama hater bro 😂😂😂😂😂 ROLL TIDE
Fsu played like trash. They should of lost at least 2 games this season. I’m glad they arnt in. No one wanted to watch that trash team. Should of been Michigan Washington Georgia Bama
UT gettin ready for dat SEC, yall think this shit sweet
Go Noles!.. Ef everybody else.. The thing that sux is we try to make an inplace system better instead of building a new one.. (the rankings) good idea fairy here.. copy the NFL to a point not all can come I know some schools just don't have it.. but overall set up regions like the AFC north as confrences then the best records from each region play in the playoffs ef rankings.. I cut a lot out but thats the overall point
But GA Will destroy FSU then the committee will be like “that’s what we thought”
Nobody brought up Texas losing to Oklahoma ?