Please do an update on Audi R8. It looks to me that they are rolling over and could drop another 20k but with them discontinued that makes it harder to see them drop much.
I have been looking at the 458 Italia. I still think this is one of the best designed modern Ferraris and no surprise, it's one of the last one designed by Pininfarina. Arguably the best model year is 2010 after which Ferrari owners complained that the cars were too loud and scraped too much which caused Ferrari to engineer out the noise and raised the ride height--TRAGIC. If you find a good specimen, scoop it up. Now I will be looking for sure.
Would be interested in a McLaren update. They have a history of depreciation but they are good value when compared to similar level Ferraris and Lamborghinis so interested to see how the prices are holding up.
That is great to hear. I usually cover them every 3 months, these are the latest videos: Boxster: th-cam.com/video/Rt-9mk4u0bc/w-d-xo.html Cayman: th-cam.com/video/wwdEGrAAeKc/w-d-xo.html
You haven't noticed a 20-30% price increase in F430's over the past year? There used to be US listings in the $110K range. Now it's hard to find anyone asking under $140K. Surprised you haven't seen that?
I’ve been in the market for a 458 (13’ and onward) for 3/4 years, and I refuse categorically to bend to the post pandemic insane speculation that is going on; just last week, a dealer I follow here in the Bay Area, posted a 458 base from 2012, for $293.000. Yeah, you read that right, over 300k to get yourself a BASE 458. Hell no.
Normality resumes where prices bottom out for older models offering great investment affordability before rising upwards as people catch on and the market booms. Buy at the bottom, sell at the top. It’s simple common sense.
same video for the V12 would be good. Here is my prediction: 612 up 10% YoY. 599 up 15% YoY. FF stable, not up because penalized by relaiability. GTC4 lusso V8 stable, and V12's down 5%. f12 reaching bottom trend, maybe still -5% to go, but stabilizing. 812 superfast going down -20% YoY and GTS -10%. Very accurate video by the way. I don't always agree with your analysis but this one is spot on.
Hi, just discovered your channel and its a huge blessing, as i just started a business in investing in cars, repairing them and reselling them. Could you analyse the diablo market next?
I own two F355s so I’ve been following your videos with great interest. Thank you for the thourough research and clear summary. I also own a ‘92 Ferrari 348ts. Why is that model not included in your overview? I assume there are still enough cars on the market, no?
Sounds like you have a great collection. There is no particular reason why the 348 is not included. I just started with the cars that are most familiar to me. As the channel grows, I am trying to add more cars.
The thing about cheaper Ferraris like the 360 and 355 is that they cost 4 or 5 times as much as an equally good car of the same age or younger. With a 355/360, you're paying $80-100k more for the brand name. More for the 458/488/F8. They've become status symbols. Those who know better, and don't have a pile of spare cash, stick to value for money cars like Lotus, Porsche and even the Mazda Mx5 which cost significantly less to buy and to maintain.
Seriously, want to know this. I don’t feel crazy when I consider an F430, but that must be high-mileage because when I see them sub-10k miles, they can have eye-watering prices that you’d just buy a much newer model for…
Please could you analize the prices of 296 GTS?? I bought one, will receive it mid summer 2024. You can't order them anymore, Ferrari closed the sellings! I was lucky because someone put the order down but then moved for the Purosangue and i got his spot. If you can't make a video, will you please answer me here? Thanks!!
@@fourwheeltrader Well there are some in Italy (i'm from italy) but i was referring to maybe your thoughts on the future for this model, like f.e. in 3 years the car is likely to lose X amount or stay levelled compared to when it was new. Just your free thoughts, i recon we are humans and predicting the future is hard, it's really down to your opinion and i know it isn't in any way 100% sure thing. I'm just curious about it!!
The F355 market should be split in manual / F1 as the manual is in demand whereas the F1 isn't (more relevant than mileage), otherwise interesting video
I disagree!..are you basing this on ‘asking’ prices or actual’sale’ prices? I’m in Australia and asking prices are A$160k, down from an average of A$180k plus last year..Realistic price should be A$140-150k There are owners asking A$220k plus, which is dreaming!.These cars have been for sale for over a year!. UK prices are also showing a decrease for 360’s , but very overpriced for 348’s.
Sure, your Ferrari increased lets say 100k in the last year.... nobody tells you the depreciation of driving it... its huge and the ridiculous high maintenance, insurrance and storage cost....dont talk about cars as they are an investment.... its like buying a new Fiat 500 and compare the price after 5 years... yes it went up... try to sell it
Very interesting video. Thank you. i'm wondering if you're got a missed opportunity here to create a subscription-based app/website for your analysis of pricing trends and the current listing of cars on the market. Colors, options, base models with minimal or no options, accident reported cars, etc - all impact a cars "value" and it's difficult for someone to determine if a price is fair and justified. Your videos can continue to provide information at a macro level (and build your user-base) and the app/website can provide specific details for those who are buying and selling. I'm thinking 40k views per video could "perhaps" turn into $40k per month. Just something to think about. Cheers!
When I look at the German second hand market in reference to Ferrari I doesn’t reflect your statistics I Totally disagree!! No idea what kind of Christal ball you are using 😂 Your figures make absolutely no sense !!
I disagree!..are you basing this on ‘asking’ prices or actual’sale’ prices? I’m in Australia and asking prices are A$160k, down from an average of A$180k plus last year..Realistic price should be A$140-150k There are owners asking A$220k plus, which is dreaming!.These cars have been for sale for over a year!. UK prices are also showing a decrease for 360’s , but very overpriced for 348’s.
What car would you like to see analyzed next?
Nissan 240sx 1989-1998 models
Audi rs5
Nissan Skyline r34
Lexus/Toyota GX
Hello, would it make sense to analyse US v/ European price trends ?
Would love to see the FF and GTC4 market, as a 458 Spider owner with 2 kids I’m thinking of a swap!
Lamborghini please
Please do an update on Audi R8. It looks to me that they are rolling over and could drop another 20k but with them discontinued that makes it harder to see them drop much.
I have been looking at the 458 Italia. I still think this is one of the best designed modern Ferraris and no surprise, it's one of the last one designed by Pininfarina. Arguably the best model year is 2010 after which Ferrari owners complained that the cars were too loud and scraped too much which caused Ferrari to engineer out the noise and raised the ride height--TRAGIC. If you find a good specimen, scoop it up. Now I will be looking for sure.
Looking very forward to the U.K market!
Would be interested in a McLaren update. They have a history of depreciation but they are good value when compared to similar level Ferraris and Lamborghinis so interested to see how the prices are holding up.
Honestly the 720s is huge value for money. Plus analogue hydraulic steering.
Yes I recently purchased a 650s and it’s incredible. Tons of car for the money
I owned a 600LT.
Very nice car, brutal power and good steering.
But……. never the image of a Ferrari or a Lambo.
@@MCHFB82 we own a 992 turbo s, 458 and just sold our aventador. Personal preference is the Mclaren all day but to each his own for sure.
Always love it when you drop. New vid, my friend.
How about we look at the 718 Cayman/Boxster market?
That is great to hear. I usually cover them every 3 months, these are the latest videos:
Boxster: th-cam.com/video/Rt-9mk4u0bc/w-d-xo.html
Cayman: th-cam.com/video/wwdEGrAAeKc/w-d-xo.html
Perfekt analyse… but thank you for speaking and evaluating the 458 Speciale Aperta
thank you for not forgetting it in the next video 😉
I will include it in the next one :)
Merci de vos brillantes analyses… un plaisir
You haven't noticed a 20-30% price increase in F430's over the past year? There used to be US listings in the $110K range. Now it's hard to find anyone asking under $140K. Surprised you haven't seen that?
Prices were relatively stable during last year. The increase happened before that as you can see in the graph.
I’ve been in the market for a 458 (13’ and onward) for 3/4 years, and I refuse categorically to bend to the post pandemic insane speculation that is going on; just last week, a dealer I follow here in the Bay Area, posted a 458 base from 2012, for $293.000.
Yeah, you read that right, over 300k to get yourself a BASE 458.
Hell no.
Last NA Ferrari V8, they will only go up imo
Normality resumes where prices bottom out for older models offering great investment affordability before rising upwards as people catch on and the market booms. Buy at the bottom, sell at the top. It’s simple common sense.
The 458 continues to increase while the turbocharged 488 is meh.
same video for the V12 would be good. Here is my prediction: 612 up 10% YoY. 599 up 15% YoY. FF stable, not up because penalized by relaiability. GTC4 lusso V8 stable, and V12's down 5%. f12 reaching bottom trend, maybe still -5% to go, but stabilizing. 812 superfast going down -20% YoY and GTS -10%.
Very accurate video by the way. I don't always agree with your analysis but this one is spot on.
Coming up this week.
What about the f12 or v12s where are they currently sitting?
Have a look at the v12 video: th-cam.com/video/go3oxYc_Fz0/w-d-xo.html
Hi, just discovered your channel and its a huge blessing, as i just started a business in investing in cars, repairing them and reselling them. Could you analyse the diablo market next?
As always your presentation is 💯💯💯👏👏👏
Thanks!
Four wheel trader. What car(s) do you drive?
A4 allroad, there is some more information on that choice in a Q&A video.
@@fourwheeltrader Cool car. My wife loves her SQ5 and I have an R8 2nd gen. I try to drive it as much as possible. I’m not saving it for the next guy!
Awesome work ✊🏽
How about the Portofino (with California) update? Thanks
I own two F355s so I’ve been following your videos with great interest. Thank you for the thourough research and clear summary. I also own a ‘92 Ferrari 348ts. Why is that model not included in your overview? I assume there are still enough cars on the market, no?
Sounds like you have a great collection. There is no particular reason why the 348 is not included. I just started with the cars that are most familiar to me. As the channel grows, I am trying to add more cars.
Always love your analysis on the Ferraris…well I have one ❤. Look forward to the next one. Thank you sir!!
The thing about cheaper Ferraris like the 360 and 355 is that they cost 4 or 5 times as much as an equally good car of the same age or younger. With a 355/360, you're paying $80-100k more for the brand name. More for the 458/488/F8. They've become status symbols.
Those who know better, and don't have a pile of spare cash, stick to value for money cars like Lotus, Porsche and even the Mazda Mx5 which cost significantly less to buy and to maintain.
Dodge Viper analysis please !
What is considered a 'high mileage' mid-engine Ferrari?
Yeah good idea, how prices change across brands depending on mileage … I would expect Ferraris to lose more value per mile than say Porsches ..😅
1500 miles per year is considered average. 3000 miles per year is getting on the high side
30,000 miles for an older car.
Seriously, want to know this. I don’t feel crazy when I consider an F430, but that must be high-mileage because when I see them sub-10k miles, they can have eye-watering prices that you’d just buy a much newer model for…
Depends on what you compare it to I guess. To the average, other models/brands ? In any case, great idea for a video :)
Please could you analize the prices of 296 GTS?? I bought one, will receive it mid summer 2024. You can't order them anymore, Ferrari closed the sellings! I was lucky because someone put the order down but then moved for the Purosangue and i got his spot. If you can't make a video, will you please answer me here? Thanks!!
I will include them once they are listed for sale. At the moment, i do not think there are any listings?
@@fourwheeltrader Well there are some in Italy (i'm from italy) but i was referring to maybe your thoughts on the future for this model, like f.e. in 3 years the car is likely to lose X amount or stay levelled compared to when it was new. Just your free thoughts, i recon we are humans and predicting the future is hard, it's really down to your opinion and i know it isn't in any way 100% sure thing. I'm just curious about it!!
The F355 market should be split in manual / F1 as the manual is in demand whereas the F1 isn't (more relevant than mileage), otherwise interesting video
Yes, but unfortunately market supply is too low for that split.
And what about the Challenge stradale and the 458 Aperta
Too few data points unfortunately
Great vid thank you
Would like an update on the Mclaren 600LT
When will you update the Lusso market?
Next week
Always love your Ferrari analysis ❤
Hello, what about Ferrari 328 GTS from 1988? Enzo Ferrari was alive still.
Left out the F430… just sold mine. Kind of regret it, but ultimately something newer would be better
It is included at 4:54
In the meantime early 2000’s Merc Amg cars are steadily rising in value (low mileage pristine examples only) thanks for update on Ferrari market.
Awesome analysis. Could we see the same for Lamborghini please
All lambos depreciate tons
Which model?
I disagree!..are you basing this on ‘asking’ prices or actual’sale’ prices?
I’m in Australia and asking prices are A$160k, down from an average of A$180k plus last year..Realistic price should be A$140-150k
There are owners asking A$220k plus, which is dreaming!.These cars have been for sale for over a year!.
UK prices are also showing a decrease for 360’s , but very overpriced for 348’s.
Sure, your Ferrari increased lets say 100k in the last year.... nobody tells you the depreciation of driving it... its huge
and the ridiculous high maintenance, insurrance and storage cost....dont talk about cars as they are an investment....
its like buying a new Fiat 500 and compare the price after 5 years... yes it went up... try to sell it
Mercedes Benz AMG GT Convertible?
Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/N-f6spT2vws/w-d-xo.html
I would never can afford a Ferrari - and also they are about 12 MPG
Very interesting video. Thank you. i'm wondering if you're got a missed opportunity here to create a subscription-based app/website for your analysis of pricing trends and the current listing of cars on the market. Colors, options, base models with minimal or no options, accident reported cars, etc - all impact a cars "value" and it's difficult for someone to determine if a price is fair and justified. Your videos can continue to provide information at a macro level (and build your user-base) and the app/website can provide specific details for those who are buying and selling. I'm thinking 40k views per video could "perhaps" turn into $40k per month. Just something to think about. Cheers!
Thanks, work in progress :)
Ferrari is not. A. Special car chitt I have hade 5
It is confirmed. I will never own one of these cars.
Never say never!
When I look at the German second hand market in reference to Ferrari I doesn’t reflect your statistics I
Totally disagree!!
No idea what kind of Christal ball you are using 😂
Your figures make absolutely no sense !!
That makes sense. This video covers the US market. Statistics for the german market look different.
I disagree!..are you basing this on ‘asking’ prices or actual’sale’ prices?
I’m in Australia and asking prices are A$160k, down from an average of A$180k plus last year..Realistic price should be A$140-150k
There are owners asking A$220k plus, which is dreaming!.These cars have been for sale for over a year!.
UK prices are also showing a decrease for 360’s , but very overpriced for 348’s.