Night Ranger - Guitar Lesson

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  • @bassproable
    @bassproable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Two underrated guitarists, and even Night Ranger as a whole.

    • @Ashbutter
      @Ashbutter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      1984 with Jeff Watson is still the best guitar duo I have ever seen live

    • @clemclemson9259
      @clemclemson9259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      oh no not another "under rated" comment... dud wtF are you talking about.

    • @M-Guitars
      @M-Guitars 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@clemclemson9259 Dude, this world is doomed. Yesterday someone said that Dann Huff is "criminally underrated". One of the most hired and prestigious studio-guitarists of all time. You can't watch one music related video without the "underrated" comment anymore. And most of the time it's not even true.

    • @M-Guitars
      @M-Guitars 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@clemclemson9259 Well, almost 20 million albums sold but still "underrated", right? ^^ You are absolutely right with what you're saying. I feel the same. It all turns into one big sh-thole. People don't like to think for themselves anymore.
      Stay strong, brother. As long as there are people like you - there's hope. ;)

  • @dr.p3637
    @dr.p3637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Saw Brad with Night Ranger in Dayton Ohio around 15 years ago....I was about fifth row reliving my 80's youthfulness playing along with him using the best air guitar moves in history. Brad saw me in the audience mirroring his awesomeness and when he got to the cricket tremolo move I was doing the same air smacking of the Floyd Rose and the end of the song he called me up to the stage and gave me one of his signature metal guitar pics and a big high five. It was so fun -- the crowd really enjoyed our interaction and then NR went back to killing it. I still have that pic proudly displayed in my own music studio. Brad has always been a big influence on me and I have always been grateful for their incredible music and songwriting.

  • @Kustomsledd
    @Kustomsledd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Met Brad after a NightRanger show at Holiday Star in Merrillvile, IN... outside of the venue. I recall how big everyone looked up on stage, and was surprised to find I was a couple inches taller up close getting my shirt signed... very humble and easygoing, I felt like he was seeing an old friend in those few minutes... 100% real down to earth, and hugely talented.
    Night Ranger songs helped me grow into who I am today, and Brad's genuinely nice act of being accessible to those few fans that evening is one of my favorite memories....

    • @lonewolfnightsterryder5955
      @lonewolfnightsterryder5955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Holiday star!!!
      And yes, night ranger, amazing and down to earth.
      One of the greatest bands.
      And idk what anyone says, holiday star was a great venue.
      From a fellow region rat

  • @Blues4Winter
    @Blues4Winter 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I was about 14 when I first saw night ranger and Brad and Jeff Watson. It was stunning not only because of their tech. ability but because they were the first band that was melodic and wrote songs that stood WAY above other rockers at the time. Not to mention they had keys, great vocals. All the members were exceptional musicians. This is such a cool vid! Thanks guys!

    • @dazedandconfused6965
      @dazedandconfused6965 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blues4Winter The only reason I went to see Night Ranger back in the 80s was because of Brad Gillis. I had seen already with Ozzy on the Speak of the devil album. He blew me away since the very first time I saw him

    • @Ashbutter
      @Ashbutter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My first concert was also Night Ranger, Mountain Air 1984

  • @BAND-MAID-USA
    @BAND-MAID-USA ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gillis is an icon. And so is Joel. That acoustic song is absolutely insane.

  • @wjatube
    @wjatube 6 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    If they'd posted this 25 years ago, they'd save me a lot of wasted time in my life. Lol

    • @samueltractorton2088
      @samueltractorton2088 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂

    • @williammaclay7536
      @williammaclay7536 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Too true!!! This is the best guitar lesson you could EVER get for free!!

    • @fatthor2476
      @fatthor2476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahahaha so true

    • @martyjones8016
      @martyjones8016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just because you can see it doesnt mean you can play it...haha I hear you dude!!

    • @sheldonclark6947
      @sheldonclark6947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep

  • @IggyBing
    @IggyBing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That L.A. No Name acoustic bit needs its own video. Best live rendition I've heard!

  • @FLdb-wj4wc
    @FLdb-wj4wc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Man these guys are good. I love how Brad plays everything like he's performing. That's a great lesson. He's into every note.

    • @Meatball2022
      @Meatball2022 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you ever get to see him live, it’s a real treat. He’s pretty darn special as a performer

  • @RollTideRising
    @RollTideRising 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Joel is great love his phrasing and he makes it look so effortless

  • @danielsperry8114
    @danielsperry8114 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    These guys are very humble and a class act . Thanks for posting the video .

  • @theonlyredspecial
    @theonlyredspecial 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    two fantastic guitar players - pleasure to watch. both seem like nice guys too which is refreshing.

    • @brandonmoss1609
      @brandonmoss1609 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've met both. They were class acts and pretty humble considering their monster talents.

  • @dono6971
    @dono6971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My God, that acoustic jam!!!!! Incredible!!!!

  • @stormchaser419
    @stormchaser419 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brad and Jeff were simply incredible! They were the 2 most under rated guitarists of that time period. Both are simply incredible at what they do!!

  • @mordantvistas4019
    @mordantvistas4019 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Damn! Chemistry is one of the greatest things to watch.

  • @vhmdl5150
    @vhmdl5150 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Got to see them when they came to GTMO IN 2007. Brad used my EBMM I built as a backup for the show.
    It was amazing

  • @eddiecarter8524
    @eddiecarter8524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was very impressed with how Joel gave credit to Jeff Watson at the beginning of the video!

  • @robertproctor7771
    @robertproctor7771 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These 2 guys never waste the gift they have.

  • @jimn1968
    @jimn1968 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Brad is obviously very high
    On the list of great rock guitarists.

  • @user-zn6gz4ub7w
    @user-zn6gz4ub7w 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was on a stage crew with these guys in Charlotte at PB Scotts in 1983. Vixen opened. Killer show.

  • @briansteele4926
    @briansteele4926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome fellas and down to earth guys...thanks for the video.

  • @lebron3566
    @lebron3566 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    two exellent guitar players ,Mr Gillis you are unique, very inspiring,you play with your heart and created your own style.

  • @kevinbutler7055
    @kevinbutler7055 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys are way awesome. So glad I got to see you at the ND state fair this year

  • @Marlisio5150
    @Marlisio5150 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That acoustic piece is sick!

  • @stormchaser419
    @stormchaser419 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Brad and Joel for this look into your guitar life and a little lesson here for us non guitar buffs in how these songs evolve musically.

  • @TONYFROMCT
    @TONYFROMCT 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Brad was talking of his metal picks. I actually have one from the 1992 show at Toad's Place in New Haven,CT.

    • @shawnbopko858
      @shawnbopko858 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm from naugatuck Connecticut my dad can play like em on guitar

  • @glenturney4750
    @glenturney4750 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    AMAZING!!! Two great down to earth guys with AMAZING talent! Just so fun to watch, listen and learn from. 😁👍

  • @williamatkinson3012
    @williamatkinson3012 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Holy shit. Brad is the man. Melodic is the shit.

  • @thomasgray7128
    @thomasgray7128 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too frickin cool Joel and Brad, what an awesome combination!! Love it 😁👍✌️

  • @guyconnell2250
    @guyconnell2250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Highly entertaining, as expected. At the risk of being flamed here, I have to admit I had never heard that phenomenal acoustic piece (LA No Name). That was fabulous. I hung on every note. And Mr Gillis. Kudos to you for staying physically fit.

  • @markr.devereux3385
    @markr.devereux3385 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brad convinced me to get a metal pick after thinking about it since back on the 80s. Had to buy it online for about $10 and had it taper the damn thing. It does get more bite in certain solos. Big fan of NIGHT RANGER

  • @pablemo
    @pablemo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I try doing Jeff Watson’s guitar solo and I ended up playing like lil Wayne because the solo is so fast and of course Brad and Jeff are really great guitarists

  • @stevepearson7046
    @stevepearson7046 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love to see an acoustic duo show and here stories in between songs. Has to b the most entertaining guitar video out there today. Thanks guys

  • @sunnys3325
    @sunnys3325 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Right up there with all the epic dual guitar trade offs of those great days and before....perfect!
    8:44 Gillis is funny!!

  • @musicmathgurummg5966
    @musicmathgurummg5966 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speachless except to say thank you for sharing this insiders view of your craft and talent!

  • @ampman45
    @ampman45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these guys- what an influence me back in the day... still killing it....

  • @johnvandenheuvel6952
    @johnvandenheuvel6952 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the Tab for this from "Guitar" Mag June '84. After watching this video I finally see that most of the Tab was purely wrong. I labored over this piece for years as it is my go to warm up exercise. Bravo for posting this video and giving us a real master class.

  • @Logan-or5qw
    @Logan-or5qw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Talk about paying it forward Brad your the man!

  • @calansvc
    @calansvc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been following Brad and Night Ranger since the first album, and trying to learn the solo in DTMYLM for just as long (I still can't play it).
    That acoustic piece... DAMN.

  • @daverunner3397
    @daverunner3397 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff....Im 53 and a fan from back in the day.....

  • @danaeverhart6487
    @danaeverhart6487 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the Dean Markley blue steel strings! Their the best strings for my styles and hold their tone and stays in tune! Thanks Brad!

    • @billk9628
      @billk9628 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I tried those years ago, and I found that I really needed to step up a gauge, then my tuning was spot on! Floyd player too! I got stronger, therefore my strings gave out sooner! FYI Stevie Ray played 13 gauge high E! That's normal when shredding! :-)

  • @dazedandconfused6965
    @dazedandconfused6965 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    By far the most underrated guitar player in rock history. Brad Gillis.

  • @kprimm1967
    @kprimm1967 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    these guys are so darn good.

  • @troylambert5140
    @troylambert5140 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Night ranger is by far some of the most melodic best hard rock of all time

  • @stanky9875
    @stanky9875 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm a bit surprised Gillis hasn't installed a Floyd on that acoustic...🤔

    • @UltraBluesRocker
      @UltraBluesRocker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he did it, right after that shooting !

  • @kahmhalen4094
    @kahmhalen4094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Holy crap that acoustic piece.

  • @nocturnalferalguitarist
    @nocturnalferalguitarist 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Goose bump city here, that's when you know it's good! Heavy guitarist's dream video story. Nono L thank you for your uploads!

  • @markthatcher4853
    @markthatcher4853 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow..feel the energy...
    These guys kick Ass...

  • @chaddarcheezze
    @chaddarcheezze 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Joel is such a badass!!! love Brad too!!!

  • @matalimanaito6341
    @matalimanaito6341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always had Brad very high on my list of great players - this confirms why what tone!!!. Thnx Night Ranger for coming to Honolulu back in '88 . Brad comes to edge of stage to find out why there's a gap/void at third row looks down finds me and pal burning the ''Waimea nightmare'' (doob) he smiles , shakes his head - Aloha shaka back

  • @Lastchance2030
    @Lastchance2030 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always wanted to learn this. one of the best riffs ever. of course along with riffs from the other greats, Sholz, van halen, santana, satriani, vai, on and on and on....
    "there are those that can play a guitar then there are those that can make it sound like an opera singer..." Writer, ME!

  • @danvolkman3610
    @danvolkman3610 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely love this!!!

  • @InTheKnow2011
    @InTheKnow2011 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    3:17. Big Ben's Nut Sauce. Total Beavis & Butthead moment.

    • @greggallagher747
      @greggallagher747 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is that?? Funny, you don't want to know my dirty thoughts😁

    • @nckhed
      @nckhed 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Big Bends*

  • @rogerkoob9904
    @rogerkoob9904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I didn't think anyone could replace jeff watson,.his 4 finger tapping is amazing...but this guy is really good....

  • @gneric85
    @gneric85 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have one of the original, non fine tuning Floyds. Previous owner put it on a 1977 Aria Pro II flying V I bought as a kid back in Nov 1981. It is locked away right now waiting for the next perfect guitar to put it on

  • @dwconrad7776
    @dwconrad7776 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Joel Hoekstra! I would love to meet him! Brad as well!

  • @rensmooth
    @rensmooth 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    8:41 yea, that's about how I feel

  • @thomasgray7128
    @thomasgray7128 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two of my favorite guitar players, just some great chops and guitar riffs!! I was also inspired by Randy Rhoads, among others too many to mention!! 😁✌️

  • @paulrodas8740
    @paulrodas8740 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh is that all!!!!?????!!!!! ... freakin amazing dudes... got to meet Brad at a concert in Charlotte.. coolest dude ever...

  • @michelebuch5851
    @michelebuch5851 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is so good ..takes guitar out of the norm

  • @jenziie_olivia1384
    @jenziie_olivia1384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason why bands sound melodic is because they have technical proficiency on the instrument. This is because the more melodic the sequence of notes the hard they are to play. Melody that sound like blues or Jazz sound hard to play but are actually much easier.

  • @丘曜綸
    @丘曜綸 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    precious video !!

  • @troylambert5140
    @troylambert5140 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is totally outrageous Night ranger is absolutely awesome the great Brad gillis is the most underrated beast of a guitarist ever!!! I'm going tonight ranger concerts in the year 2024 Dallas Texas grew up listening tonight ranger Omaha Nebraska in the early 1980s like 1982 or so

  • @4cpus4me
    @4cpus4me 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dawn Patrol rocked even though Def Leppard ruled at the time.

  • @adrianreyes4702
    @adrianreyes4702 ปีที่แล้ว

    This just makes me wanna cry like a freakin baby. I N C R E D I B L E

  • @davidfung7902
    @davidfung7902 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "I'll tell you, I'm not a speedster player..." th-cam.com/video/bLNV621AQF8/w-d-xo.htmlm57s Yeah, right :-) Had a chance to meet Brad a couple of times and not only is he the God of Floyd, but a very genuine guy that loves doing this.

  • @nonamehere9149
    @nonamehere9149 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I lost it what BG goes “ Yea, I just do this... weee whaaaaaa mmmmmm”” Awesome..

  • @EscutCavaller007
    @EscutCavaller007 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, so good!

  • @davidbrooks6599
    @davidbrooks6599 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video!

  • @kevindendy6888
    @kevindendy6888 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Night Ranger is full of skills!..Got me a lot of sister christian with night ranger cassettes ..

  • @davidnelson5474
    @davidnelson5474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your a Bad Ass Brad. 🎸🎶

  • @terrywade8361
    @terrywade8361 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing against all the other guitar players and Night Ranger but Jeff and Brad had this thing man

  • @sciencemansandera
    @sciencemansandera 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always do my power pull ups and dive off of what I read Brad did in guitar magazine like Way back when. How could anybody thumbs down this video even if you didn't like some of the other style of music I thought it was really unique and I always give somebody a lot of credit when they get very unique in their own style. Nancy Wilson is kind of like that with some of her guitar chords she plays stuff that I never even thought of. You can never learn too much and you can probably forget twice as much LOL I had VHS is of everybody Star Licks tape unfortunately my house burnt to the ground the spring and I lost them all but I can get set back up with new things I just like those two because I had to complete collection of everyones. Everybody's doing teaching videos these days and they're doing quite well even Carlos Santana's got one with some courses I'm more of a power cord rhythm player so I'm always up for learning new stuff I need to work on that. Also I just bought a Korg triton Extreme too I want to set up a little home studio studio maybe do background stuff for Internet stuff and Someday theme songs for movies would be cool.etc

  • @Diggerdog2nd
    @Diggerdog2nd ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow I just came here from Jeff's instructional video & from where Joel breaks down Jeff's part in the 1st section of the solo at 5:34 he actually plays a couple things different than Jeff. Joel & Jeff are so far beyond me but I can say I noticed these error's of Joel's because Jeff breaks it down very slow so it makes it easy to play along with Jeff note for note. I wonder if Joel just interpreted from the record at full speed because I can see that fast of course it's easy to get a few things wrong.

  • @nicolasgallo6626
    @nicolasgallo6626 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    los dos solos son espectaculares

  • @eldubless
    @eldubless 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Was this filmed on a flip phone?

    • @mottosierra1372
      @mottosierra1372 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Theres a better quality video but i dont know if still available on youtube

  • @MikeUIibarri
    @MikeUIibarri 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was bad ass.

  • @Thisoldcasita
    @Thisoldcasita 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great lesson guys! Thanx!

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:56 ... JEFF WATSON's guitar solo played by Joel...Give credit where credit is due. Let's Go Brandon 2022!

  • @brownwrench
    @brownwrench 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My head is spinning

  • @ga41867
    @ga41867 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:42 is there something that he's using to sustain the note?

  • @rayfabris2512
    @rayfabris2512 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    83 was a great year

  • @TheAgentAssassin
    @TheAgentAssassin ปีที่แล้ว

    LA NO NAME awesome job 14:42

  • @guitardoug12
    @guitardoug12 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how they think this is a lesson. Awesome!

  • @mikecarmean6446
    @mikecarmean6446 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    💥Two Greats 🎸🎸How Do You Beat That💥

  • @davelord8406
    @davelord8406 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It would be helpful,at the start, for them to say they are tuned down a half step..but other then that ,a great lesson on how to play the solos correctly.

  • @duncandmcgrath6290
    @duncandmcgrath6290 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wore out that cassette of the Dawn Patrol album

  • @samueltractorton2088
    @samueltractorton2088 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Don't forget Jeff Watson.

  • @ragecarver8524
    @ragecarver8524 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is great

  • @FlyguyLV
    @FlyguyLV 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I too love using the Wang bar

  • @BTsMusicChannel
    @BTsMusicChannel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember in the late 80s Guitar Player magazine had a little plastic record in it with Brad Gillis doing these tricks and laughing. I had a Floyd Rose on my guitar on that time and Eddie Van Halen (like that one at the end of "I'll Wait") and Brad Gillis noises completely inspired me -- they were like Hendrix on steroids. I was as addicted to whammy bar as Brad is!!! Later I learned that I hated the sound of guitars with Floyd Roses and never played them again -- they suck all the low end out of your tone. For whatever reason, Brad's does not sound like crap. Honestly, I think EVH learned some things from Brad Gillis too -- not just whammy bar stuff but also that delay trick in "Cathedral" which is done the same way as "Rumors in the Air."

    • @ata5855
      @ata5855 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      BTsMusicChannel Except Diver Down was released in ‘82 and Midnight Madness ‘83

    • @teacuppermike2568
      @teacuppermike2568 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out Pat Travers. The intro to Material Eyes from Crash and Burn album, 1980.

  • @brownwrench
    @brownwrench 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saw them with Foreigner a few months ago

  • @satinwhip
    @satinwhip 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I scan these comments to see how many I have to go through before someone says "underrated". Only three comments this time. Bravo.

  • @phillyraynelson
    @phillyraynelson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Brad bought the Big bends nut sauce & some med / heavy steel picks. Had them years ago but wouldn't of known shit. Partied with your old x beautiful gf Allison in like 1986 in L.A.

  • @crazyjimheath
    @crazyjimheath 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Respect the Ranger

  • @TheJabernet
    @TheJabernet 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    FFFUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK!!!! THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!

  • @adamwarlock5286
    @adamwarlock5286 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did he mention he has the third floyd Rose Trem ever built?

  • @hammer5475
    @hammer5475 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Killer, both killer players.

  • @VidClips858
    @VidClips858 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was not expecting to hear a cat food commercial. 😂

  • @dddddddd9870
    @dddddddd9870 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's not Floyd Rose? How called his tremolo system?

  • @v3rlon
    @v3rlon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a lover of heavy picks, now I must try and find a metal one.

    • @markr.devereux3385
      @markr.devereux3385 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had to go online ( this was about 2 yrs ago) to some out of the way website and they charged me 10 dollars for I pick. I had to grind and taper the playing edge a little to get it right. Jeez it is thick cause I use med/lite picks . It does get more bite on solos and harmonics. Good luck!

    • @v3rlon
      @v3rlon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@markr.devereux3385 Found a Billy Gibbons special at Strait Music in Austin. Dave also makes a (more affordable) plastic pick with a metal tip. What I find is that you get some wicked attack, but it is ruthless about keeping you honest on pick rotation. I have a tendency to rotate the pick from 3-9 o'clock (parallel to the ground) to more like 4-10. This isn't Troy Grady pick slanting. I do that to. Anyway, the pick sliding across the strings sounds awful. So it encourages better habits.

    • @markr.devereux3385
      @markr.devereux3385 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@v3rlon appreciate good feedback. I'll be damned if I didn't watch that pick slanting episode maybe a week or ten days ago!!! I'm planning to experiment a little more with metal pick ur so right about what you ssid