As a regular season award, regardless of team :1988 MJ As regular season award + team success: 2016 Curry If we also factor the playoffs... idk maybe 2013 LeBron or MJ in 91
Jonny, I'm not Lebron's fan, but I want to ask you something. If Lebron didn't have a solid supporting cast and Cavs still won 66 games that season while Lebron was having the greatest per and +/- season of his career, than why the hell he was soo low ranked??? I mean we are talking about MVP seasons, not a season overall. Of course, 2013 was Lebron's greatest season because he won MVP that season, championship and finals MVP, he was the best player in both regular season and play offs, but if we are talking about MVP seasons only, than 2009 is clearly Lebron's greatest MVP season and as someone eho isn't fan of his game, this season should've been topn5 for me.
And ofc the fact Steph was not using all that much energy on defense… No hate but like it’s alot more impressive to average 27-30 while having a top 15 defensive season all time Than scoring 32+ on insane efficiency
@universalplayz7496 It’s not like it wasn’t effort though. Steph put in effort so I don’t think that diminishes the offense in any way. I mean early in his career Steph’s physical limitations were what was wrong with his defense. But in a lot of games you see him be extremely aggressive playing ball denial on Post mismatches. And while I don’t consider the steals to be a good indicator of defense it does show an effort on that side of the ball. I mean imo it’s the greatest offensive season ever. 30 pts and 7 assists on 50/45/90 is absurd especially since most of those points didn’t come from the line or inside. 400 made threes and fully spearheading the three point revolution, that’s some legendary stuff. On top of that, a player forcing big men switch on screens at 30 ft out and forcing so much miscommunication is probably the greatest part of 2016. Like Steph’s gravity is so well known but still understated in it’s impact. And while I do value defense, it’s much harder to provide impact as a perimeter player on the defensive end, as well as, it’s easier to be able to mask some defensive shortcomings for guards. Though with 88 Jordan I have a difficult relationship with that one cause I feel like the early 90s MVPs were better cause it felt like more winning basketball. Jordan was able to get away with high usage rates and win chips; but Jordan still has limits. 87-88 imo felt like a supercharged 17 Westbrook. I think 91 or 90 is probably the best MVP season ever. But that’s just my opinion.
I feel like 2014 KD is one of the most underrated mvp season ever 32 ppg (63,5 %TS) 7,4 rpg 5,5 apg Led okc to 59 wins in a stacked west with russ being out for nearly 40 games
@@NathanWhyte-m8lStop wrtting fanfiction the games are available to watch players today can't even play all 82 games no defense and today the game is just a 3 point contest no wonder the ratings are down 😂😂😂😂
@@Moonlight40471 You clearly haven't been paying attention to the NBA over the past five seasons. There is an army of Jokic haters out there who are hell bent on making sure he never wins MVP again, including the sports media, former players, and actual MVP voters. Saying that Jokic will win an MVP "no questions asked" is insane. He will have to be a mile ahead of everyone else (which he is currently) and the Nuggets will have to be a Top 3 seed (they're currently 8th) for him to win. And even then, I wouldn't bet any money on it.
@@JakeKoenig Are you dumb? How’s it insane me saying he’s going to win Mvp no questions asked? Bro’s blowing the whole competition in all major categories. Ik there’s campaign working on him to not get it.But you saying he needs to be a top 3 seed to win is insane. Also they’ve been players who’ve won mvps without being top 3.
I gotta give a shout out to Bill Russell in 1962. His statistics might not look as amazing as some guys, but... This was the season that Wilt scored 50 points per game and Oscar averaged a triple-double. The MVP was voted by the players at that point, and despite those performances by Wilt and Oscar, Russell still won the award by a mile. Whatever he was doing, whatever defense he was playing, however he was affecting the game, it must have truly been something to see...
@@mattparker-2 players don't always vote based on winning as the #1 criteria. Players voted for Kareem winning MVP in 1975-76, despite not even making the playoffs.
Great points. We're very used to flash, novelty, and team wins being the weightiest factors in MVP debates nowadays. Perhaps those voting players in 1962 simply recognized whatever Bill Russell was doing to elevate Boston was more valuable than Wilt's and Oscar's individual statlines.
Only one Magic season and only one Jokic season is insane. This guy really loves Jordan, Kareem, and Wilt. Which I get it, they're all-time greats, and MJ and Kareem have the best GOAT cases, but those three players being 5 out of the Top 6 is some serious glazing.
KD in 2014 should be top 15. He carried the Thunder to 59 wins (2nd best in the league, more wins than the Heat superteam) with Westbrook injured for half the season, with brilliant numbers of 32-7-5 and incredible efficiency.
He did it in a league with rules that prevent good defence though. No defender today can touch the guy they’re guarding and there’s a 3 second defense violation rule now that prevents centers from being unstoppable in the paint so it’s not as impressive as some others.
@@jshonsmith3399 That doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you had asked the average avid/analytical fan, they likely wouldn't have laughed. Most people aren't that smart and don't go beyond surface-level thinking.
@@Cannon4545 most analytics used today weren’t available back then. PER and “win shares” are among the worst metrics you could possible use, and they’re pretty much the only ones available for that time.
@@lukakaps9548 that... wouldn't be an analytical fan. Most people are not very smart. So the majority consensus isn't necessarily a good one. This is one of those times.
I agree with a lot of the comments here mentioning how you glossed over Westbrook’s MVP season in 2017. You can compare it to MJs in 1988 (which you put at number 1 on this list). The bulls in 1988 had 50 wins in a very weak eastern conference. Westbrook had 47 wins in an incredibly tough and loaded western conference. Westbrook had just lost KD and now was by himself in 2017 and nobody expected OKC to even make the playoffs. Westbrook averaged a triple double while leading the league in scoring that year. Jordan has the advantage on defense and efficiency of course… but if Jordan’s season is number one…surely Westbrook’s should make this top 20 list somewhere…
Awesome video, Jonny! It was awesome getting to learn about various players' amazing MVP seasons :) Your mention of Jokic reminds me of another video you made where you mentioned him and his incredible skillset (I believe it was a weekend recap, which I will comment on soon). It's amazing how he can shoot from long and short distance (and use his strength too) and pass so well. I second your thoughts about how his 23-24 season was one of the best. MJ is incredible as well and I think he shows up most out of all players on this list. It makes sense that his 87-88 season is the best MVP season on your list. It's hard to rank them, but you make a good argument for MJ's 87-88 season as the best one, especially given how he won DPOY that season and averaged 35 PPG. That is an incredible feat and shows how incredible he was on both defense and offense. Great video once again. Take care :)
It would be interesting to generate such a list based on the advanced metrics only, to ask _who meant the most to their team_ when they won MVP. When you look at stats like WaR, RAPTOR-WaR, O/D BPM and win shares, they are dominated by MJ, Bron, Steph, and Jokic. Then you see random spike years from guys like Harden, Garnett, etc. Doesn't work for anyone before ~1980, but that's still 35 MVPs. Just an idea given that there are only so many video ideas one can have
@@YourImaginaryFriendDylan because the average person does not understand them either. It's very hard to have an opinion when a) the data disagrees with you, and b) you don't understand statistics or how to evaluate the meaning of these metrics
Yeah, but wait until Jokic finishes his career 😂😂😂 because if he comes back after Dallas's game and don't miss games until the end of this season, he will have the greatest MVP season of all time. You can argue that even his 2022 season was the greatest of all time because statisticly nobody was more complete than Jokic that season, not even Jordan. He broke the all time record held by Wilt for highest per of all time and broke the all time record for highest +/- held by Lebron in 2009. But this season he is overachieving even that season. He averages nearly 30 points triple double with 56% from the field and 56% from deep. If he finishes this season let's say with 29 points, 13 rebounds and 10 assists on 56+ FG% and 40+% from deep, this would be the greatest MVP season of NBA history. For now I agree, Jordan's 1988 is the greatest because of team record, Jokic had injured and below average team in 2022 soo that's why he couldn't win more games.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664jokic in 2022 was great DONT get be wrong But there’s a whole other side to the ball… Passing and scoring is 1 side of the court Defending is the other part of the court Jokic def had a top 3 offensive season But you also gotta look into defense, like for example Kareem mvps (early bucks) he was having an insane offensive season AND defensive season Any of wilts mvp I would argue is better than 2022 jokic Especially wilt in 1967 was probably the most complete basketball player that ever existed Passing, scoring, efficiency (ignore ft% :() , rebounding, blocking , steals and winning Everything was the best
@universalplayz7496 well, you can say that about his every other season, but that season was Jokic's best season defensively soo far. He led the league in defensive +/- and it wasn't actually close. He finished 2nd in defensive winshares onpy with 0,1% less than Tatum and he averaged 1,5 steals and 0,9 blocks. Not to mention that he had multiple game winning blocks that season and led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, FG% and true shooting %. The only player in history to achieve that. For me it was Jokic's best defensive season.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664yeah but 2022 best defensive season and Jokic best defensive season Vs all time defensive seasons from all time great defenders are different things…. Like if you look at wilt in 65 or 67 they were in the same galaxy on offense And wilt also won a lot more But no one in their right mind would be trying to say Jokic and Wilt were even comparable on defense… I’m not saying jokic is a bad defender But there’s just levels and taking just Jokic offensive accomplishment isn’t enough to have the goat mvp season.
I've TRIED to watch a couple games, but OMG!!!!! BORING!!!!!!!!! I tell myself: "If they shoot another 3, I'm out"... and they shoot yet another 3!! So I watch no more than about 3 minutes.
Thanks for including a highlight of David Robinson blocking Hakeem at the beginning of the video. Unfortunately, the main highlights of the Admiral that appear on TH-cam are of him getting faked out by Hakeem and getting bulldozed by Shaw
Another great job JA! Mj in 88 definitely holds #1 and all his picks were accurate. I hear you on Curry, but I feel that's a little high. Dream deserves a little higher, and I think the Admiral's year gets in there somewhere... Nice work!
Yeah, combining both stats and winning, Jordan in 1988 has the greatest MVP season of all time and Steph is right up there close 2nd in 2016. But if we are only talking about statisticly who was the most producive player on the court, it's Jokic in 2022. Jokic in 2022 broke the all time record for highest per in NBA history, record held by Wilt and I think nobody believed that record would ever be broken (Wilt's season was with 32 per, Jokic ended his season with per of 32,8). Jokic also broke the record for highest +/- of all time previously held by Lebron in 2009 (Lebron had 13,2, Jokic had 13,7). But I'm gonna tell tou this. Wait until Jokic finishes his career, because he might have the greatest MVP season even if you include winning. Especialy this year he has a shot after completely dominating his 2022 season with per of 33,4 right now and +/his +/- is 15,3 soo... Jokic this year actually has a shot if he continues to play close as good because obviously some of his numbers would drop, but if he average 29 points triple double on 40+% from deep and 56+% from the field and Nuggets win let's say 55 games, than it's clearly Jokic on top.
@@mattparker-2 and not just that, but if we are taking winninf in consideration, 1988 was his weakest MVP season of his careerin terms of winning soo it's not like that season was soo perfect and soo complete... Still there are a bunch of players in NBA history that were able to win more games than that. Even Kobe in 2008 season had 7 wins more than Jordan in 1988 and that season even in top 30 best MVP seasons probably soo... Jokic can definitely surpasa that Jordan's season.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 CP3 had a better MVP case than Kobe in 08'. Statistically speaking and having to carry more of his team's offense. I have Curry's 2016 MVP as the greatest MVP.
@QuestionEverything562 yeah, but I'm just talking as MVP season. For me Joker was also MVP in 2023, but Embiid won it soo I'm looking his MVP season instead of Jokic's season that year because he didn't win MVP. Anyway, even if Chris Paul won MVP in 2008, still not in top 30 MVP seasons probably.
Jordan's best season wasn't even in this video because he didn't win the MVP. In 88-89 he put up 33/8/8 on 54% shooting and added 2.9 steals. The rebounds and assists were career highs for MJ, and the shooting and steals were the 2nd best of his career. He was #2 in MVP voting that year and lost to Magic, who put up 23/13/8 (on 51% shooting and 91% from the line) for the #1 seed in the West, while the Bulls were only the 6th seed in the East. PS - Magic's MVP season from 89 that I just mentioned was easily better than the 87 MVP season in this video. In 89 Magic had more rebounds, more assists, more steals, better effective FG shooting, better FT shooting, and better 3P shooting. So basically EVERYTHING, except Magic scored 1.4 more points in 87, and the Lakers won eight more games in 87, although they were the #1 seed both years. Also Kareem turned 40 in 1989 and was barely a factor, so Magic had less help than he had in 87. So while Magic's 87 season being #20 is fine, his 89 season should have been included and been ranked higher.
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart that you didn’t include a Bill Russell MVP season in there. I was worried it was going to be in your top 5 but a great list overall. I just feel Bills MVPs are so hollow without the scoring and having soooo many hall of famers on your team.
Jonny, with all due respect, I think last MVP season eas Jokic's worst MVP season😂😂😂I mean, all 3 seasons are very close for me, but if I have to pick one, his last MVP season was slightly weaker than his previous. For me his 2022 MVP season should've been around top 5- top 7 because he broke Wilt's record for highest per of all time (32,8), he broke the record for highest +/- (13,7, previous record was 13,2 from Lebron James in 2009). Jokic that season also became the only player in history to finish a season with at least 2000 points, 1000 rebounds and 500 assists. In his last MVP season altough he played more games, he wasn't able to achieve that which tells you that statisticly he was more dominant in his 2022 season. Also in his 2022 season he led the league in triple doubles (19) and in 2024 he finished 2nd in that category behind Sabonis. Still a pretry much historic MVP season and all of his 3 seasons, but I would give the edge to his best MVP season in my opinion, 2022.
As a Curry hater he can be number 1 on the list it's a regular season award and choking in the finals has nothing to do with it being absolutely unanimous and incredible during the regular season
well being best scorer and defender in the league in a single season is more impressive.. plus MJ had 35ppg even steph in his best shooting form wont average that much
Personally I think the greatest season ever was the 3421-3422 season by Paula Abdul-Jabba the Hutt. They did it all that season; performed pop music, had the unguardable skyhook, and dropped defenders into the Rancor pit.
Rbs average of Shaq in 2000 wasn't his carrer-high, it was 13.9 in his rookie year 😉 And I think in Kareem sophomore season the best rim protector was Wilt.
are you mad because Lebron only got 2 spots? Or because Curry only has one? Or because KD isn't on there at all? Frankly the fact only two of Jordan's 5 MVPs are in the top 10 is kind of anti-glazing.
@@scottb3034 why would he be mad at other peoples opinions, even though they are wrong everyone's entitled to their own opinion at the end of the day. imo mj should have the top 1 spot and multiple other top 20 spots, but lebron at #8 is ridiculous
@@crystalizedExposed ...you clearly didn't read the original post which absolutely is what someone would post when they are angry about something. He is angry Jordan got the spots he did. perhaps he isn't a lebron fan but he definitely is a fan of some other player he thinks should be in place of Jordan.
i feel like the 2019-20 season from giannis should also be included despite the ending in the bubble, the team was on pace to 70+ wins before the shutdown, the team was historical on defense, and giannis is performing one of the greatest 2 way experience you'll ever seen, he was averaging the 30+pts, 13-14 rebs, 5 ast and was averaging 30+% from 3 while being a menace on defense...and they have some crazy win streaks too, he ended the season with both mvp and dpoy while brook deserve some of the credit for the defense, giannis was a huge part of the defensive system, giannis have one of the best defensive field goals that season holding people below 40% fg
@@strmshadow8411 Agreed here, they just like shouting numbers. When you lose a lot of your pieces and get injuries to others you will drop significantly.
99-00 Shaq not only was runner up for DPOY, he was also 1 vote away from being unanimous MVP, the all star MVP and finals mvp. The only stain on that season was not getting to play the Spurs, and some critics said that championship deserved an asterisk because Tim Duncan was injured and they avoided the Spurs, then the next season the critics were proven wrong, the Lakers swept the Spurs, and as Skip Bayless said, Shaq made ragdolls of Tim Duncan and David Robinson
Because it’s just a lot of stat padding. His play doesn’t lead to winning. The team was sixth on the west. Russ is empty calories of stealing rebounds from teammates, getting lots of points but on low efficiency and lots of assists because he always had the ball. His peak is impressive, I’m not saying he was bad, but he’s not in this category
@@qqw743 Statistics literally proved that when Westbrook was playing the team performed far better. He also did not steal rebounds, did you even watch the Thunder. Their entire identity was a fast pace. With Steven Adams boxing out opponents Westbrook could get the rebound and immediately start the offense.
@ because the stats I’ve seen over Westbrooks career show that he’s one of the worst shots ever and the games that I’ve watched show that he’s a bonehead on defense, never knows where to be, and constantly goes at 100 miles an hour when the team needs him to operate within their system. He never adapts. Phoniest MVP ever.
@@qqw743 @qqw743 i mean his on/off that year was +12.5 per 100 possessions, and in the playoffs it was much better than that. Without Westbrook that is a lottery team. So yes, it 100% led to winning in his peak, to a very great extent. "because the stats I’ve seen over Westbrooks career show that he’s one of the worst shots ever and the games that I’ve watched show that he’s a bonehead on defense" WB was a better shooter his MVP season, part of why he was so dominant. You couldn't concede the shot like you can now, and his free throws were automatic unlike now. Basically, the things people criticize him for were at their least egregious in his MVP year, and the things people praise him for were at their best. His MVP season deserves to be on this list. "assists because he always had the ball." His volume was high, true, but he is and was a GREAT passer. You can't take that away from him.
It's always players who play well on both sides of the court for me. What good is scoring if you allow the same amount or more points on the defensive end?
@@penkima4923 That's not true.... if anything that accentuates the importance of defense. You stop the ball, you stop the team. You stop the ball, you give your team/yourself easy scoring chances. The best players of all-time played defense not just offense.
@@scottb3034 Not every best player of all time played good defense. They could essentially defend only one opposing player, so defense isn't as important.
except, it does make sense. I know you're probably just a casual fan who just goes with the narrative, but i'm gonna drop this here. Nearly every defensive statistical stat goes in favor of Marc Gasol. I mean EVERY stat. Not only that, marc also was a contributor to his team having the best defense in the leauge. I used to be like you, but then i wondered "why have i never actually heard a reason for why Lebron should have won it?"
@ because i have eyes. LeBron was clearly the best defender that year and could guard 1-5. A casual fan like you can easily go look up a number, u probably think Rudy Gobert is a great defender too. Lol
@@gamergod3798 i mean its just weird because those same stats will tell you mj shouldn't have won dpoy (among many other winners), but he did, and now its a point in the goat debate
@@blakeleonard3990 Steph can't do that on his own, though. He requires another shooter in order to start winning by 30. He wouldn't fit well into just any team.
I love how we just don't not give a single fuck about Westbrook averaging a triple double in 2017 anymore. For 50 years we all were in awe of Oscar Robinson's triple double season, then it happens again and we all say bah what ever, stad padding, grumble grumble. I think Russ is one of those guys that will get looked back on more fondly than he is now, stat king who never won anything.
Giannis is higher in my book. Not just because of the rare MVP/DPOY feat, but also because he only had to play 30 MPG. Apart from that I think it's a good list with a number one that was clear from the beginning.
Wilts 55 ppg season should be number 1 spot... How he didnt win mvp that year is still insane.. also joker this years mvp is gonna make a case for #1 spot too.. westbrooks triple double season deserves a spot too
Westbrook also averaged 6 turnovers per game, and he shot 43 % from the field. ESPN won't tell you that. And he was fighting his teammates over rebounds, and he passed up on uncontested dunks to get his 10 assists per game.
Ngl bill at 1962 gotta be the greatest simply for the fact whatever he did that season was more valuable than someone averaging 50/25 and 30/10/10 and 38/20….. Like he must’ve gotten a 25 blocks per game or something…..
what are your opinions on players/coaches being omitted in future anniversary teams. so far Bob Davies and Joe Fulks are the only two players who made an anniversary team (25th anniversary) who didn’t make subsequent ones. Bill Fitch and John Kundla are the only coaches who made the top 10 anniversary team but not the top 15 anniversary team. really Doc Rivers is better than John Kundla?
I would add a few ABA MVPs, particularly Dr J (73-74 and 75-76), Hawkins (67-68), and Haywood (69-70). Doc should have at least one in the top 20, and the others deserve at least Honorable Mention.
Jonny, for some of the videos like these, where it's the best X number of whatever of all time, could you do a second version of the video that excludes MJ, LeBron, magic, bird, wilt, bill russell, and Kareem? Those 7 players usually make up 70% of these videos and I know it's the facts, but hearing the same players over and over gets repetitive. Everyone knows who's going to be on the list, it's just a matter of what order.
Curry barely played those 4th quarters too. It makes absolutely no sense. You had to look up when the Warriors were playing - they were appointment television. I wouldn’t mind an in depth 2016 video if that hadn’t already been done.
He was a 6th seed and was kinda inefficient. Def a great season but these were better imo as well. He just had a ton of triple doubles which Jokic did but better
It ain't crazy. Dudes that made the list were very efficient, won games and a lot of them made their teammates better. 2017 Westbrook was Russ' best individual showing for a season but it also contained a lot of his worsts in the league like super high usage rate to impact ratio, high turnover rates and among the poorest efficiencies in the league for a superstar. He most likely even made his teammates worse by not having them be a lot involved.
@@buenvidanadz1969 "super high usage rate to impact ratio," His impact was enormous that season dude lol "and among the poorest efficiencies in the league" His 3pt shooting and free throw shooting were actually good that year. "He most likely even made his teammates worse by not having them be a lot involved." Definitely not Steven Adams! And let's not forget he averaged almost 11 assists per game. That is 'getting your teammates involved.'
Great. Job Jonny of having Michael's eight seven,eighty eight season. I was a Showtime fan at the time, along with a Wilkins fan. But Michael was clearly the best player in the league.......Steph Curry? Hmmmm?
@@Dr._is_sleepy There should be nothing after 2,000 on this list. By that time the NBA had become a shadow of itself and well on it's way to becoming the irrelevant league of today.
Can't say I do remember that. Probably because only casuals would debate over something like that. Steph wasn't inside top-50 all time at that time according to many analysts.
Who do you think had the greatest MVP season of All Time?
Steve Nash
Ngl, I'm very biased, so I'm picking westbrook
As a regular season award, regardless of team :1988 MJ
As regular season award + team success: 2016 Curry
If we also factor the playoffs... idk maybe 2013 LeBron or MJ in 91
Jonny, I'm not Lebron's fan, but I want to ask you something. If Lebron didn't have a solid supporting cast and Cavs still won 66 games that season while Lebron was having the greatest per and +/- season of his career, than why the hell he was soo low ranked??? I mean we are talking about MVP seasons, not a season overall. Of course, 2013 was Lebron's greatest season because he won MVP that season, championship and finals MVP, he was the best player in both regular season and play offs, but if we are talking about MVP seasons only, than 2009 is clearly Lebron's greatest MVP season and as someone eho isn't fan of his game, this season should've been topn5 for me.
Wilt and Elgin Baylor coming second that season woulda been number 2
One of the biggest thing about Steph’s MVPs is that routinely he did not have to play in 4th Quarters. Which make some of those stats absurd.
That’s just what I was thinking , he did all that while being far from leading the league in minutes, just insane.
And ofc the fact Steph was not using all that much energy on defense…
No hate but like it’s alot more impressive to average 27-30 while having a top 15 defensive season all time
Than scoring 32+ on insane efficiency
@@universalplayz7496 it in fact is more impressive, but when you are the leader of a 73-9 team then why care about his defense?
it was a ridiculous season, but imo lebron was still the best player in the league (as he was for the entire 2010s decade)
@universalplayz7496 It’s not like it wasn’t effort though. Steph put in effort so I don’t think that diminishes the offense in any way. I mean early in his career Steph’s physical limitations were what was wrong with his defense. But in a lot of games you see him be extremely aggressive playing ball denial on Post mismatches. And while I don’t consider the steals to be a good indicator of defense it does show an effort on that side of the ball.
I mean imo it’s the greatest offensive season ever. 30 pts and 7 assists on 50/45/90 is absurd especially since most of those points didn’t come from the line or inside. 400 made threes and fully spearheading the three point revolution, that’s some legendary stuff. On top of that, a player forcing big men switch on screens at 30 ft out and forcing so much miscommunication is probably the greatest part of 2016. Like Steph’s gravity is so well known but still understated in it’s impact.
And while I do value defense, it’s much harder to provide impact as a perimeter player on the defensive end, as well as, it’s easier to be able to mask some defensive shortcomings for guards.
Though with 88 Jordan I have a difficult relationship with that one cause I feel like the early 90s MVPs were better cause it felt like more winning basketball. Jordan was able to get away with high usage rates and win chips; but Jordan still has limits. 87-88 imo felt like a supercharged 17 Westbrook. I think 91 or 90 is probably the best MVP season ever. But that’s just my opinion.
I feel like 2014 KD is one of the most underrated mvp season ever
32 ppg (63,5 %TS)
7,4 rpg
5,5 apg
Led okc to 59 wins in a stacked west with russ being out for nearly 40 games
yeah that also but vs all time its going to be hard
@ yes i know but its in my personal top 20
KD & KLove (believe it or not) out played LeBron that season.
KD not being on here shows Johnnys bias. KDs 2014 season was right up there with Brons 13 and Curry’s 16 season in virtually every metric.
@@Mektek19 Yea this guy hates KD for some reason, it is well documented and he has tried to reframe it as he is an unbiased analyst.
Olajuwon winning Finals, DPOY and MVP as the only superstar on the team
The dream 💭
In my opinion the greatest individual year in NBA history
That's the first one I thought of. Dream's MVP that season is a something you can't get better than.
So wait Robert “seven championships” Horry was a superstar on the rockets 😅
He also had 283 blocks and 213 one season
can you do top 20 greatest non-mvp seasons?
FYI - Pretty sure he has a video like that already.
I think he dropped a video like that very recently.
2009 D-Wade
Lol that's so much more difficult to do than top 20 mvps.
@@Yinon776 2019 Harden*
Before I watch, expecting a whole lot of Kareem, Wilt, and Jordan
expectations reached!
Trio of 🐐 s
All played in easy plumber no skill eras
Why wouldn’t you
@@NathanWhyte-m8lStop wrtting fanfiction the games are available to watch players today can't even play all 82 games no defense and today the game is just a 3 point contest no wonder the ratings are down 😂😂😂😂
I never realised how crazy jokic was in 23/24 lol
Should be higher than bron, Shaq, and Steph, better numbers than all of them
@@Brickwilliams they should make people take an iq test before commenting on youtube, hoping this is ragebait
@@crystalizedExposed not better numbers than all of them?
@@Brickwilliams not even better then luka
@@dogdoin you can’t even spell than right
Nicolas Jokic 2025 if he continue on the same rythme.
He’s literally gnna get it no questions asked. He destroys the competition all around.
@@Moonlight40471 You clearly haven't been paying attention to the NBA over the past five seasons. There is an army of Jokic haters out there who are hell bent on making sure he never wins MVP again, including the sports media, former players, and actual MVP voters. Saying that Jokic will win an MVP "no questions asked" is insane. He will have to be a mile ahead of everyone else (which he is currently) and the Nuggets will have to be a Top 3 seed (they're currently 8th) for him to win. And even then, I wouldn't bet any money on it.
@@JakeKoenig Are you dumb? How’s it insane me saying he’s going to win Mvp no questions asked? Bro’s blowing the whole competition in all major categories. Ik there’s campaign working on him to not get it.But you saying he needs to be a top 3 seed to win is insane. Also they’ve been players who’ve won mvps without being top 3.
Michael Jordan having 4/5 of his mvp seasons in the top 20 is insane. Dude was on another level
yeah truly
What’s crazier is that it could have been 5/6
That's media for you. MJ was great, but also sold the NBA , which helps opinion
One of the greatest of all time
Dude is a top 5 all time player, not really a surprise
I gotta give a shout out to Bill Russell in 1962. His statistics might not look as amazing as some guys, but... This was the season that Wilt scored 50 points per game and Oscar averaged a triple-double. The MVP was voted by the players at that point, and despite those performances by Wilt and Oscar, Russell still won the award by a mile. Whatever he was doing, whatever defense he was playing, however he was affecting the game, it must have truly been something to see...
we gotta go back to player voting. im a kings fan but how did domas get an mvp and dpoy vote last year
Definitely up there. I remember hearing about that. I didn't know all three great accomplishments happened that same year. Just amazing.
@@mattparker-2 players don't always vote based on winning as the #1 criteria. Players voted for Kareem winning MVP in 1975-76, despite not even making the playoffs.
Great points. We're very used to flash, novelty, and team wins being the weightiest factors in MVP debates nowadays. Perhaps those voting players in 1962 simply recognized whatever Bill Russell was doing to elevate Boston was more valuable than Wilt's and Oscar's individual statlines.
Nah wilt was busting, the players voting for 50.
#20 Magic Johnson 1986-1987 0:40
#19 Giannis Antetokounmpo 2019-2020 1:41
#18 Lebron James 2008-2009 2:33
#17 Michael Jordan 1991-1992 3:25
#16 Kevin Garnett 2003-2004 4:24
#15 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1970-1971 5:24
#14 Hakeem Olajuwon 1993-1994 6:26
#13 Wilt Chamberlain 1959-1960 7:25
#12 Michael Jordan 1990-1991 8:29
#11 Larry Bird 1984-1985 9:37
#10 Oscar Robertson 1963-1964 10:30
#9 Nikola Jokic 2023-2024 11:32
#8 Lebron James 2012-2013 12:46
#7 Shaquille O'Neal 1999-2000 13:52
#6 Wilt Chamberlain 1965-1966 15:01
#5 Michael Jordan 1995-1996 16:05
#4 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1971-1972 17:20
#3 Wilt Chamberlain 1966-1967 18:32
#2 Stephen Curry 2015-2016 19:48
#1 Michael Jordan 1987-1988 20:21
Only one Magic season and only one Jokic season is insane. This guy really loves Jordan, Kareem, and Wilt. Which I get it, they're all-time greats, and MJ and Kareem have the best GOAT cases, but those three players being 5 out of the Top 6 is some serious glazing.
Love to see Jokic here, we are witnessing greatness
Bill Walton should be in honorable mentions, because if not for his missed games he’d easily make the list
KD in 2014 should be top 15. He carried the Thunder to 59 wins (2nd best in the league, more wins than the Heat superteam) with Westbrook injured for half the season, with brilliant numbers of 32-7-5 and incredible efficiency.
32/7/5 is a bad game for Jokic.
@@JakeKoenigBecause Jokic has Wilt numbers.
Just another video in a long list illustrating why so many have MJ as their GOAT. Great video as always Jonny.
I would have put Giannis far higher considering he averaged those numbers on only 30.4 minutes a game
He did it in a league with rules that prevent good defence though. No defender today can touch the guy they’re guarding and there’s a 3 second defense violation rule now that prevents centers from being unstoppable in the paint so it’s not as impressive as some others.
Him and Steph won MVPs playing 6moy minutes
This list is basically why I have Wilt top 3 the quantity and quality of entries he has on this list
You tell someone in the 60s that Wilt is better than Bill and they’ll laugh at you
@@jshonsmith3399 That doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you had asked the average avid/analytical fan, they likely wouldn't have laughed. Most people aren't that smart and don't go beyond surface-level thinking.
@@Cannon4545 most analytics used today weren’t available back then. PER and “win shares” are among the worst metrics you could possible use, and they’re pretty much the only ones available for that time.
@@Cannon4545 the analytical fan you are talking about would then defend wilt by saying "big number good"
@@lukakaps9548 that... wouldn't be an analytical fan.
Most people are not very smart. So the majority consensus isn't necessarily a good one.
This is one of those times.
I agree with a lot of the comments here mentioning how you glossed over Westbrook’s MVP season in 2017. You can compare it to MJs in 1988 (which you put at number 1 on this list). The bulls in 1988 had 50 wins in a very weak eastern conference. Westbrook had 47 wins in an incredibly tough and loaded western conference. Westbrook had just lost KD and now was by himself in 2017 and nobody expected OKC to even make the playoffs. Westbrook averaged a triple double while leading the league in scoring that year. Jordan has the advantage on defense and efficiency of course… but if Jordan’s season is number one…surely Westbrook’s should make this top 20 list somewhere…
Awesome video, Jonny! It was awesome getting to learn about various players' amazing MVP seasons :) Your mention of Jokic reminds me of another video you made where you mentioned him and his incredible skillset (I believe it was a weekend recap, which I will comment on soon). It's amazing how he can shoot from long and short distance (and use his strength too) and pass so well. I second your thoughts about how his 23-24 season was one of the best.
MJ is incredible as well and I think he shows up most out of all players on this list. It makes sense that his 87-88 season is the best MVP season on your list. It's hard to rank them, but you make a good argument for MJ's 87-88 season as the best one, especially given how he won DPOY that season and averaged 35 PPG. That is an incredible feat and shows how incredible he was on both defense and offense.
Great video once again. Take care :)
I really needed this video & only Jonny could provide it💯🏀 thx!!
I love that music intro almost gave me goosebumps..MJ's dribble on tune
It would be interesting to generate such a list based on the advanced metrics only, to ask _who meant the most to their team_ when they won MVP. When you look at stats like WaR, RAPTOR-WaR, O/D BPM and win shares, they are dominated by MJ, Bron, Steph, and Jokic. Then you see random spike years from guys like Harden, Garnett, etc. Doesn't work for anyone before ~1980, but that's still 35 MVPs.
Just an idea given that there are only so many video ideas one can have
Basketball heads hate analytics
@@YourImaginaryFriendDylan because the average person does not understand them either. It's very hard to have an opinion when a) the data disagrees with you, and b) you don't understand statistics or how to evaluate the meaning of these metrics
@@blackout995Old heads lol
Michael Jordan 1988- the greatest mvp season in nba history!
Yeah, but wait until Jokic finishes his career 😂😂😂 because if he comes back after Dallas's game and don't miss games until the end of this season, he will have the greatest MVP season of all time. You can argue that even his 2022 season was the greatest of all time because statisticly nobody was more complete than Jokic that season, not even Jordan. He broke the all time record held by Wilt for highest per of all time and broke the all time record for highest +/- held by Lebron in 2009. But this season he is overachieving even that season. He averages nearly 30 points triple double with 56% from the field and 56% from deep. If he finishes this season let's say with 29 points, 13 rebounds and 10 assists on 56+ FG% and 40+% from deep, this would be the greatest MVP season of NBA history. For now I agree, Jordan's 1988 is the greatest because of team record, Jokic had injured and below average team in 2022 soo that's why he couldn't win more games.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664jokic in 2022 was great DONT get be wrong
But there’s a whole other side to the ball…
Passing and scoring is 1 side of the court
Defending is the other part of the court
Jokic def had a top 3 offensive season
But you also gotta look into defense, like for example Kareem mvps (early bucks) he was having an insane offensive season AND defensive season
Any of wilts mvp I would argue is better than 2022 jokic
Especially wilt in 1967 was probably the most complete basketball player that ever existed
Passing, scoring, efficiency (ignore ft% :() , rebounding, blocking , steals and winning
Everything was the best
@@universalplayz7496I mean the guy was taking about Jokic this year. Who is currently going god mode. But like he’s not going to keep this up.
@universalplayz7496 well, you can say that about his every other season, but that season was Jokic's best season defensively soo far. He led the league in defensive +/- and it wasn't actually close. He finished 2nd in defensive winshares onpy with 0,1% less than Tatum and he averaged 1,5 steals and 0,9 blocks. Not to mention that he had multiple game winning blocks that season and led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, FG% and true shooting %. The only player in history to achieve that. For me it was Jokic's best defensive season.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664yeah but 2022 best defensive season and Jokic best defensive season Vs all time defensive seasons from all time great defenders are different things….
Like if you look at wilt in 65 or 67 they were in the same galaxy on offense
And wilt also won a lot more
But no one in their right mind would be trying to say Jokic and Wilt were even comparable on defense…
I’m not saying jokic is a bad defender
But there’s just levels and taking just Jokic offensive accomplishment isn’t enough to have the goat mvp season.
Robinson should have made it. Beyond that, solid.
But fun video.
Haven't watched an NBA game all season... But never miss a Jonny Arnett video! Thanks
Same here.
I've TRIED to watch a couple games, but OMG!!!!! BORING!!!!!!!!! I tell myself: "If they shoot another 3, I'm out"... and they shoot yet another 3!! So I watch no more than about 3 minutes.
@@MasterSpadecry
The craziest thing about Giannis in 2019-20 campaign was that he did all that in an absurdly low minutes per game (just over 30 mpg).
Nice Video men keep it up!
suggestion if ever
can you make
nba player TOP 10 GMSC/GameScore of all Time
or
Nba Player Top 10 GMSC/GameScore per Season
2013-2014 KD?
this was a very good list my guy
Video Idea: “Top 20 Non-MVP seasons”
…and great video as always 😁
Thanks
Thanks for including a highlight of David Robinson blocking Hakeem at the beginning of the video. Unfortunately, the main highlights of the Admiral that appear on TH-cam are of him getting faked out by Hakeem and getting bulldozed by Shaw
Another banger by Jonny🙏🏾
Agreed with the list... Well put...❤
Another great job JA! Mj in 88 definitely holds #1 and all his picks were accurate. I hear you on Curry, but I feel that's a little high. Dream deserves a little higher, and I think the Admiral's year gets in there somewhere... Nice work!
So very much true
I think your list is very solid
I’ve often thought about this question for the 4 major sports.
Interesting, entertaining and informative !!! Excellent plus job again !
Great video, Jonny. I really thought Chef Curry was gonna be number 1, but I totally forgot about 88 Jordan. 96 Jordan is still my favorite.
Yeah, combining both stats and winning, Jordan in 1988 has the greatest MVP season of all time and Steph is right up there close 2nd in 2016. But if we are only talking about statisticly who was the most producive player on the court, it's Jokic in 2022. Jokic in 2022 broke the all time record for highest per in NBA history, record held by Wilt and I think nobody believed that record would ever be broken (Wilt's season was with 32 per, Jokic ended his season with per of 32,8). Jokic also broke the record for highest +/- of all time previously held by Lebron in 2009 (Lebron had 13,2, Jokic had 13,7). But I'm gonna tell tou this. Wait until Jokic finishes his career, because he might have the greatest MVP season even if you include winning. Especialy this year he has a shot after completely dominating his 2022 season with per of 33,4 right now and +/his +/- is 15,3 soo... Jokic this year actually has a shot if he continues to play close as good because obviously some of his numbers would drop, but if he average 29 points triple double on 40+% from deep and 56+% from the field and Nuggets win let's say 55 games, than it's clearly Jokic on top.
Jokic is gonna go down as one of the goats when it's all said and done.
dont forget its likely jordan's stats were padded at home during that season (stl, blk, ast)
@@mattparker-2 and not just that, but if we are taking winninf in consideration, 1988 was his weakest MVP season of his careerin terms of winning soo it's not like that season was soo perfect and soo complete... Still there are a bunch of players in NBA history that were able to win more games than that. Even Kobe in 2008 season had 7 wins more than Jordan in 1988 and that season even in top 30 best MVP seasons probably soo... Jokic can definitely surpasa that Jordan's season.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 CP3 had a better MVP case than Kobe in 08'. Statistically speaking and having to carry more of his team's offense. I have Curry's 2016 MVP as the greatest MVP.
@QuestionEverything562 yeah, but I'm just talking as MVP season. For me Joker was also MVP in 2023, but Embiid won it soo I'm looking his MVP season instead of Jokic's season that year because he didn't win MVP. Anyway, even if Chris Paul won MVP in 2008, still not in top 30 MVP seasons probably.
Jordan's best season wasn't even in this video because he didn't win the MVP. In 88-89 he put up 33/8/8 on 54% shooting and added 2.9 steals. The rebounds and assists were career highs for MJ, and the shooting and steals were the 2nd best of his career.
He was #2 in MVP voting that year and lost to Magic, who put up 23/13/8 (on 51% shooting and 91% from the line) for the #1 seed in the West, while the Bulls were only the 6th seed in the East.
PS - Magic's MVP season from 89 that I just mentioned was easily better than the 87 MVP season in this video. In 89 Magic had more rebounds, more assists, more steals, better effective FG shooting, better FT shooting, and better 3P shooting. So basically EVERYTHING, except Magic scored 1.4 more points in 87, and the Lakers won eight more games in 87, although they were the #1 seed both years. Also Kareem turned 40 in 1989 and was barely a factor, so Magic had less help than he had in 87. So while Magic's 87 season being #20 is fine, his 89 season should have been included and been ranked higher.
Any load management during these mvp years?
No sir .
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart that you didn’t include a Bill Russell MVP season in there. I was worried it was going to be in your top 5 but a great list overall. I just feel Bills MVPs are so hollow without the scoring and having soooo many hall of famers on your team.
HE DIDNT DESERVE 3 of them and you can make a case for ALL OF THEM.He was incredibly valuable obviously but cmon…
This is an excellent list. MJ and Steph can be interchangeable for 1 and 2 imo. I think what Steph did in 2016 was beyond absurd.
That 2012-2013 LBJ season was insane... 56% overall shooting and 46 from 3 for a small forward is crazy. Should be top 5 in my opinon.
Jonny, with all due respect, I think last MVP season eas Jokic's worst MVP season😂😂😂I mean, all 3 seasons are very close for me, but if I have to pick one, his last MVP season was slightly weaker than his previous. For me his 2022 MVP season should've been around top 5- top 7 because he broke Wilt's record for highest per of all time (32,8), he broke the record for highest +/- (13,7, previous record was 13,2 from Lebron James in 2009). Jokic that season also became the only player in history to finish a season with at least 2000 points, 1000 rebounds and 500 assists. In his last MVP season altough he played more games, he wasn't able to achieve that which tells you that statisticly he was more dominant in his 2022 season. Also in his 2022 season he led the league in triple doubles (19) and in 2024 he finished 2nd in that category behind Sabonis. Still a pretry much historic MVP season and all of his 3 seasons, but I would give the edge to his best MVP season in my opinion, 2022.
Only having '87 Magic Johnson at #20 is insane... Shouldve been easy top 10.
As a Curry hater he can be number 1 on the list it's a regular season award and choking in the finals has nothing to do with it being absolutely unanimous and incredible during the regular season
well being best scorer and defender in the league in a single season is more impressive.. plus MJ had 35ppg even steph in his best shooting form wont average that much
Agreed, being a two-way player and the best on both ends is way more impressive than one dimensional
one of the underrated things about oscar is that he was shooting 47-50% FG as a guard, and that was in the 60s where efficiency was much lower
Personally I think the greatest season ever was the 3421-3422 season by Paula Abdul-Jabba the Hutt. They did it all that season; performed pop music, had the unguardable skyhook, and dropped defenders into the Rancor pit.
Did you use A.I. for that?
@@penkima4923 If by A.I. you mean Aut Ism, then yes
😂😂😂
I'd be hard pressed not to pick MJ 88, but 1962 Russell won it over the guy who averaged 50.
Rbs average of Shaq in 2000 wasn't his carrer-high, it was 13.9 in his rookie year 😉
And I think in Kareem sophomore season the best rim protector was Wilt.
bro cannot stop glazing mj
are you mad because Lebron only got 2 spots? Or because Curry only has one? Or because KD isn't on there at all?
Frankly the fact only two of Jordan's 5 MVPs are in the top 10 is kind of anti-glazing.
@@scottb3034 why would he be mad at other peoples opinions, even though they are wrong everyone's entitled to their own opinion at the end of the day. imo mj should have the top 1 spot and multiple other top 20 spots, but lebron at #8 is ridiculous
you know he doesnt like lebron 😂
Nah, I'm a lebron fan and mj's placements were very reasonable, what I can't get over is steph being at #2
@@crystalizedExposed ...you clearly didn't read the original post which absolutely is what someone would post when they are angry about something. He is angry Jordan got the spots he did. perhaps he isn't a lebron fan but he definitely is a fan of some other player he thinks should be in place of Jordan.
i feel like the 2019-20 season from giannis should also be included despite the ending in the bubble, the team was on pace to 70+ wins before the shutdown, the team was historical on defense, and giannis is performing one of the greatest 2 way experience you'll ever seen, he was averaging the 30+pts, 13-14 rebs, 5 ast and was averaging 30+% from 3 while being a menace on defense...and they have some crazy win streaks too, he ended the season with both mvp and dpoy while brook deserve some of the credit for the defense, giannis was a huge part of the defensive system, giannis have one of the best defensive field goals that season holding people below 40% fg
Lebron taking that team to 66 wins is ridiculous
Here come the Jordashians talking about how amazing the rest of that CLE roster was to diminish him
ridiculous? that Cavs teams are underrated they are the #3 defense in the league.
@@Reaper13-hi3yothat team was blown up in 11, don’t forget context
@@vroomvroom6325 They only like context in their favor. Talking to them about context is a lost cause.
@@strmshadow8411 Agreed here, they just like shouting numbers. When you lose a lot of your pieces and get injuries to others you will drop significantly.
99-00 Shaq not only was runner up for DPOY, he was also 1 vote away from being unanimous MVP, the all star MVP and finals mvp. The only stain on that season was not getting to play the Spurs, and some critics said that championship deserved an asterisk because Tim Duncan was injured and they avoided the Spurs, then the next season the critics were proven wrong, the Lakers swept the Spurs, and as Skip Bayless said, Shaq made ragdolls of Tim Duncan and David Robinson
Kareem was blockin and skyhookin the hell outta fools as a Milwaukee Buck in the 70's.
Why no Westbrook?
Because it’s just a lot of stat padding. His play doesn’t lead to winning. The team was sixth on the west. Russ is empty calories of stealing rebounds from teammates, getting lots of points but on low efficiency and lots of assists because he always had the ball. His peak is impressive, I’m not saying he was bad, but he’s not in this category
@@qqw743 Statistics literally proved that when Westbrook was playing the team performed far better. He also did not steal rebounds, did you even watch the Thunder. Their entire identity was a fast pace. With Steven Adams boxing out opponents Westbrook could get the rebound and immediately start the offense.
@@turtle27835 which statistics?
@ because the stats I’ve seen over Westbrooks career show that he’s one of the worst shots ever and the games that I’ve watched show that he’s a bonehead on defense, never knows where to be, and constantly goes at 100 miles an hour when the team needs him to operate within their system. He never adapts. Phoniest MVP ever.
@@qqw743 @qqw743 i mean his on/off that year was +12.5 per 100 possessions, and in the playoffs it was much better than that. Without Westbrook that is a lottery team. So yes, it 100% led to winning in his peak, to a very great extent.
"because the stats I’ve seen over Westbrooks career show that he’s one of the worst shots ever and the games that I’ve watched show that he’s a bonehead on defense"
WB was a better shooter his MVP season, part of why he was so dominant. You couldn't concede the shot like you can now, and his free throws were automatic unlike now.
Basically, the things people criticize him for were at their least egregious in his MVP year, and the things people praise him for were at their best. His MVP season deserves to be on this list.
"assists because he always had the ball."
His volume was high, true, but he is and was a GREAT passer. You can't take that away from him.
Great list. It amazes me that the best MVP seasons ended without the chip at the end 😅.
2010 Lebron is such a crazy season. 30/7/8.5 on 50% fg, all defensive first team and dragged a bum ass cleveland roster to 61 wins.
Inhuman insane unreal
Yo, the fact Tim Duncan's 03 season is not mentioned or David Robinsons 95 ain't talked about is crazy!!
It's always players who play well on both sides of the court for me. What good is scoring if you allow the same amount or more points on the defensive end?
There's only one basketball but there's five players, so offensive is more important than defense.
@@penkima4923 That's not true.... if anything that accentuates the importance of defense.
You stop the ball, you stop the team. You stop the ball, you give your team/yourself easy scoring chances.
The best players of all-time played defense not just offense.
@@scottb3034 Not every best player of all time played good defense. They could essentially defend only one opposing player, so defense isn't as important.
Ill never forgive them voters for not giving LeBron the DPOY in 2013. It will never make sense .
except, it does make sense. I know you're probably just a casual fan who just goes with the narrative, but i'm gonna drop this here. Nearly every defensive statistical stat goes in favor of Marc Gasol. I mean EVERY stat. Not only that, marc also was a contributor to his team having the best defense in the leauge. I used to be like you, but then i wondered "why have i never actually heard a reason for why Lebron should have won it?"
@ because i have eyes. LeBron was clearly the best defender that year and could guard 1-5. A casual fan like you can easily go look up a number, u probably think Rudy Gobert is a great defender too. Lol
@@gamergod3798 i mean its just weird because those same stats will tell you mj shouldn't have won dpoy (among many other winners), but he did, and now its a point in the goat debate
@@crystalizedExposed ok? who's talking about MJ? Even if that's true, MJ clears lebron defensivley anyway
ABSOLUTELY AGREE.YOU MUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PERIMETER DEFENDER VS THE PAINT.GOBERT GETTING IT EVERY HEAR NOW ITS DISGUSTING
Steph MVP was absolutely insane in offense but also very mediocre in defense.
led the league in steals, so that doesn't hold up.
@@Arctanis-vt3hlAI also led the league in steals per game but that's doesn't mean he was a good defender.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl Steals are a part of defense.. but just a part.
Doesn’t matter when his offense is so good they’re beating everyone by 30
@@blakeleonard3990 Steph can't do that on his own, though. He requires another shooter in order to start winning by 30. He wouldn't fit well into just any team.
I love how we just don't not give a single fuck about Westbrook averaging a triple double in 2017 anymore.
For 50 years we all were in awe of Oscar Robinson's triple double season, then it happens again and we all say bah what ever, stad padding, grumble grumble.
I think Russ is one of those guys that will get looked back on more fondly than he is now, stat king who never won anything.
Giannis is higher in my book. Not just because of the rare MVP/DPOY feat, but also because he only had to play 30 MPG. Apart from that I think it's a good list with a number one that was clear from the beginning.
Jonny just dropped another banger!!! That's how you know it's a good day 🎉
Im curious, do you have any of Lebrons seasons over Jordan 95/96? In terms of how good they were. Not accomplishments based
#1 was well deserved. Just more goat confirmation honestly
Was about to comment to make a video about best non MVP seasons but i remembered GOAT made that already
Wilts 55 ppg season should be number 1 spot... How he didnt win mvp that year is still insane.. also joker this years mvp is gonna make a case for #1 spot too.. westbrooks triple double season deserves a spot too
Westbrook also averaged 6 turnovers per game, and he shot 43 % from the field. ESPN won't tell you that. And he was fighting his teammates over rebounds, and he passed up on uncontested dunks to get his 10 assists per game.
55 ppg season is a fraud that's why. Exemplified by the BS 100 pt game that's a stain on the league's history.
@@scottb3034 Your weak generation of fans and players are the stain on the league's history.
@@penkima4923 And what is my generation of fan and player?
@@scottb3034 A stain. Weak.
7:30 What the hell kind of stats did Wilt Chamberlain have 37.6PPG and 27 RBG? That man was possessed. Unbelievable!
“Oscar Robertson was kind of like the Tim Duncan of the PG position” as he shows him having mad handles and throwing circus layups and passes
knew MJ's 1988 was gonna be #1.
MJ and Wilt are the best individual basketball players of all time.
Speaking of KG's 2004, the idea of KG > Duncan was a very valid claim.
Ngl bill at 1962 gotta be the greatest simply for the fact whatever he did that season was more valuable than someone averaging 50/25 and 30/10/10 and 38/20…..
Like he must’ve gotten a 25 blocks per game or something…..
Gotta be up there. Just alotta great ball being played back there.
Mvp st the time was basically a regular season fmvp
MJ, the uncontested GOAT, objectively proven once again.
"uncontested" lemme guess 6-0 vs plumbers makes him the goat, lmao dudes demar derozan in this era
what are your opinions on players/coaches being omitted in future anniversary teams. so far Bob Davies and Joe Fulks are the only two players who made an anniversary team (25th anniversary) who didn’t make subsequent ones. Bill Fitch and John Kundla are the only coaches who made the top 10 anniversary team but not the top 15 anniversary team.
really Doc Rivers is better than John Kundla?
It’s Friday !!!😊😊😊
AI is taking our jobs and our identity.
Do a top 10 most fundamental NBA players of all time
Being the only unanimous mvp and best record in regular season should automatically put that mvp in the number 1 spot.
Mj glazed is quite crazy.
I would add a few ABA MVPs, particularly Dr J (73-74 and 75-76), Hawkins (67-68), and Haywood (69-70). Doc should have at least one in the top 20, and the others deserve at least Honorable Mention.
Jonny, for some of the videos like these, where it's the best X number of whatever of all time, could you do a second version of the video that excludes MJ, LeBron, magic, bird, wilt, bill russell, and Kareem? Those 7 players usually make up 70% of these videos and I know it's the facts, but hearing the same players over and over gets repetitive. Everyone knows who's going to be on the list, it's just a matter of what order.
Lebron not getting DPOY in 2009 is a joke!!! The winner didn’t even make all defence team that year lol
*2013
Hakeem is too low
The KD disrespect is insane can't believe it...
Tim Duncan says hold my beer.
Curry barely played those 4th quarters too. It makes absolutely no sense. You had to look up when the Warriors were playing - they were appointment television.
I wouldn’t mind an in depth 2016 video if that hadn’t already been done.
you just need to check MPG to know.. curry had 34mpg yeah probably lower than the OLD era but jokic had the same numbers
@@legenddaryl537 yea idk why that's confusing to people lol.
No Russell Westbrook is crazy Ngl
He was a 6th seed and was kinda inefficient. Def a great season but these were better imo as well. He just had a ton of triple doubles which Jokic did but better
only got it for the trip doub, bro was the 6th seed
@@darshin95 And they would have been the worst team in the league without him. Westbrook definitely deserves to be on this list.
It ain't crazy. Dudes that made the list were very efficient, won games and a lot of them made their teammates better. 2017 Westbrook was Russ' best individual showing for a season but it also contained a lot of his worsts in the league like super high usage rate to impact ratio, high turnover rates and among the poorest efficiencies in the league for a superstar. He most likely even made his teammates worse by not having them be a lot involved.
@@buenvidanadz1969 "super high usage rate to impact ratio,"
His impact was enormous that season dude lol
"and among the poorest efficiencies in the league"
His 3pt shooting and free throw shooting were actually good that year.
"He most likely even made his teammates worse by not having them be a lot involved."
Definitely not Steven Adams! And let's not forget he averaged almost 11 assists per game. That is 'getting your teammates involved.'
Great to see the GOAT at #1
I appreciate that you, as a Kobe fan, didn’t include Kobe. Kinda underhanded but I think that says a lot 🤷♂️
❤This list is 🔥 FIRE!!! Mr Arnett NAILED IT 👌🏼 👏🏼 AGAIN!!!💪🏼🏀💪🏼🏀💪🏼🏀
Great. Job Jonny of having Michael's eight seven,eighty eight season. I was a Showtime fan at the time, along with a Wilkins fan. But Michael was clearly the best player in the league.......Steph Curry? Hmmmm?
Top 3 is 86 Bird, 88 Jordan and 62 Russell
Bro... 3 other players had a better case than Russel in 62
For me the top 3 are 92 Jordan, 86 Bird, and 87 Magic.
Literally Wilt was better than Russel that season 😂😂😂😂and btw Jordan's season is on top, not Larry's.
@@vineelkesavarapu5736If you have 87 Magic, then you need to have 16 Steph. There is no argument for the individual seasons to me imo.
@@Dr._is_sleepy There should be nothing after 2,000 on this list. By that time the NBA had become a shadow of itself and well on it's way to becoming the irrelevant league of today.
Hakeem has to be higher
Remember during Steph 2016 season they were really debating whether he’s in the goat convo with mj it was insane
Can't say I do remember that. Probably because only casuals would debate over something like that. Steph wasn't inside top-50 all time at that time according to many analysts.
Thats insanely casual
nobody was saying that, especially after the finals.
David Robinson??
Speaking of which, how many seasons do you think Elgin woulda won MVP with the numbers he posted coming second to Wilt?
Not sure what you're asking there. Baylor came second in the MVP-race once, and that was to Bill Russell, not Wilt.
I would’ve put Russ n harden on the list as well but dope list still
Did you mention Chamberlain's 50-point season? I may have missed it but the season that Wilt averaged 50 should be on here.
Believe it or not, he didn't actually win the MVP that year, which means he isn't eligible for this list. The 1962 MVP was Bill Russell.
Jonny Arnett: defense is a factor in this ranking
Also Jonny arnett: puts curry #2
I'm surprised but not surprise that embiid didn't make the list