You can't compare old players joining force to young players in their prime joining force. I remember finding the blazers so stacks in the 2000s but I don't remember which years and the outcome were not so good. Anything seems bright on paper. Damn, I miss role players ( specialists)
@@lRockyI what that gotta do with this video? I just said ranking GP and malone joining LA higher then the back to back mvp joining a top 3 and 15 player is ludicrous. And kinda crap
The CP3 trade with the lakers was vetoed by the NBA. Apart from KD signing with the 73 win warriors, this is the definition of “unfair” that the NBA stepped in to make sure it didn’t happen.
Hey Jonny just wanna say I enjoy tf outta your content your a really knowledgeable guy and I enjoy listening to your takes about the league and about history I hope you keep blowing up and moving forward dawg fr 💯
Jokic getting drafted is the most unfair acquisition. As of 12/9/2024, Nikola Jokic is: 2nd in Points 1st in Rebounds 2nd in Assists 6th in Steals 1st in Triple Doubles 4th in Double Doubles 2nd in Field Goals 2nd in Field Goal % (min 400 att) 2nd in 3p Field Goal % 6th in Free Throw % among Centers 1st in Offensive Rebounds 2nd in Defensive Rebounds 1st in PER (all time record) 1st in Offensive Box +\- (all time record) 1st in Total Box +\- (all time record) 1st in Offensive Win Shares 1st in Win Shares 1st in Win Shares per 48 1st in Value over Replacement Player 1st in Player Impact Estimate
This is why the likes of Luka don't get any credit cos all you people do is look at analytics. It's like you've never played the game of basketball, this is why you keep putting Jokic as MVP favourite despite losing to the WIZARDS of all teams, great players don't lose to such a team. If we are gonna use PER to judge players then keep giving him MVP. Not a Ja Morant who literally his presence pushed them 2nd seed where they're no where to be found last year. Not Donovan Mitchell helping the cavs. Not SGA helping OKC Not James Harden not having Kawhi but is ahead of Jokic in seeding Not Rockets from nowhere to 3rd seed Even KD being 11-2 whilst Suns is 1-9 without him despite having multiple allstars of decent age, prime ages on his team. Jokic stats, per. Cmon man watch the games not stats.
@@MarkLaw13 your argument is like a kid max 7 years old, makes no sense just saying things thinking u are smart. just dont please dont u gona hurt yourselfe
For me, it's harder to make it in recent years, because we've seen so many Super Teams fail at this point, and often times, you can tell that theres some major chemistry concerns going in. Like any "super team" that involved Harden or Westbrook, people already had major doubts about it working.
@@jonnyarnetti mean the reason why the Nets didnt work it was because of Kyrie Irving not wanting to take the vaccine, it wasnt because of Harden, dont know where you got that from
@GXprogamer The point wasn't about why it didn't work. The point was about the expectations going in. Expectations IS after all what defines whether or not a team is considered "unfair".
Not a single person. They could have cut him and there wouldn't have been a long line to sign him. Hell he won 6th man because he surprised everyone with the little he did play 😂😂
I will always hate that KD move so much because it is incomparable to anything else in just how unfair it is. Potentially the greatest scorer of all time joinging a team that won 73 regular season games is fucking insane and there is no way those 2 championships should count for anything other than participation for being on that team
@@georgio2976It was still just as bad ALMOST. He joined another top 3 player in basketball, then a top 15 player in bosh. But it’s lebron so casuals don’t critique his failures. Cause the media never does
I gotta disagree on Bill Walton, based on a lot of what I've heard, that acquisition was seen as a gamble by Boston, Walton had such a bad history with injuries that many thought he was at the end of his road before Red Auerbach signed him. I'd say more of a gamble/risk that paid off rather than unfair, Walton was well past his prime by then. He even described himself as a "Broken down old warhorse" in his HoF Speech when he signed with the Celtics.
Yeah, the fact that Bill Russell still won after the Wilt trade is the biggest argument against anyone saying he only won because his team was stacked. Truly the greatest winner of all time.
Walton to the Celtics. Call it unfair is really unfair. Walton suffered from injuries all of his career. For the Celtics it was a real gamble. There was an option that he wont be able to play too much
Walton was playing on one leg amd had higher injury risk than almost anyone in the NBA, and the numbers showed it. And it was at a position that the Celtics didn't need help at....even Bird could play PF when needed. They drafted Len Bias (who died shortly after) a month later - most people were comparing him to a bigger version of Michael Jordan at the time. That team would have been up there with the Bulls and KD Warriors.
MOSES is my 1st choice...he was the MVP and best player in the NBA ...KD was a MVP a couple of season before the trade.. Also MOSES made the finals just 2 seasons before
I’ll give you this, KD joined the team and it made it the 2014-2016 MVP’s on the same team, and Moses joined the team and it made it the 1981-1983 MVP’s on the same team
@@Jonathan-A.C. you are aware Houston was losing him right? He would have been a free agent so why not get the most from trading him? That trade set them up pretty good in the future. Also for Kd was he supposed to say he can't sign with the warriors because we would be too good? 🤣🤣 every team amd every player tries to give them the best chance to win.
The number 1 was the NBA rigging the draft for the Cavs to get 3 #1 overall picks in the 4 years that the fake king was on his South Beach vacay. That was shady.
The worst one in NBA history was Magic going to the Lakers. The Lakers had decided to let Gail Goodrich go to free agency years before. Goodrich signed with the Jazz and neither Goodrich, or the Jazz violated any rules. The commissioner stepped in and forced the Jazz to give the Lakers compensation. The weird thing is that it wasn't a flat out decree. The Jazz and the commissioner had to negotiate the compensation. The Jazz ended up compensating the first pick in the 79 draft which turned out to be Magic Johnson, to the Lakers. One of the dirtiest moves that the NBA has pulled off (and there is a long list of things to chose from). Also, I think that you could have mentioned Chris Paul going to the Clippers. The Lakers made a trade for Chris Paul first that the commissioner stepped on for "Basketball reasons". His explanation went on to say that the Lakers didn't put together a good enough package. Then the Clippers made a worse deal with the Pelicans and Chris Paul joined DJ and Blake Griffen. This made them a championship contender for the first time in decades. Hell it was probably their greatest team ever. David Stern's e mails got leaked and in one of the e mails the Cavs owner was complaining about the trade to David Stern. Since the ownership of the Pelicans was so inept the NBA was partially controlling the Pelicans. It's never been proven, but whether there was an actual threat, or David Stern being a business lawyer had influenced Stern to revoke the trade from the Lakers, there was a potential with the NBA having partial control over the Pelicans that could have left an opening for one of the owners, or multiple owners suing the league in an anti-trust case.
The year after the Warriors got KD when they signed boogie cousins, I almost threw my TV out the window, but then boogie does what boogie does and his leg fell off
Bill Walton wasn’t unfair because he was a good player at that time but not the star player form and Moses Malone was fair because Julius Erving deserve some help cause he always lose to the finals 3 times. The only unfair here is Kevin Durant.
To be completely fair, Walton in 85 was considered beyond washed. Red Auerbach basically has to force doctors to lie about Bill still being able to play basketball when he had his physical
@CrazyxEnigma I knew we weren't gonna match up against Ben-no one could. Shaq was already slowing down. So you spread the floor a little more and use Karl's knowledge of the pick and roll, which was so successful with Stockton. Of course then you had Chauncey on the perimeter against an aging Payton, and Tayshaun to worry about with Karl. Damn...
@@jonnuanez7183 Yeah them with Rasheed, it was over. But the series could’ve gone a more competitive 6 games if they had those dudes playing. *Maybe* 7. But you know what I find funny. Who was it that even resulted in them winning a game? Luke Walton. Mr. Gets constantly shit on by everyone, and used as a reason for why the 05-07 Lakers sucked, and why the later Lakers who had him coach, sucked. Luke and Shaq won that, and Kobe sucked. Imagine if Luke was able to get shots off more and plays set up for him…. Perimeter shooting after all was what could actually dampen Detroit’s defense
for me relative to era wilt to the lakers is number 2 bare minimum arguably number 1 as with that trade they had in my opinion 3 of the top 5 best players in the nba with the best best player. Imagine if Jokic and shai teamed up with luka it would be completely unfair
Respectfully but absolutely disagree with no.2 because Malone was already 40yrs old and Payton 35, both past their primes. Proven by Malone ended up only playing half the season. Payton the year before joining LA also only played 28 games. If you count this trade then you also need to count Shaq still much younger than Malone at 33 and fresh out of the previous finals joining Miami which ended up winning the title! Lebron and Bosh joining DWade in Miami by far out ranks Malone & Payton joining LA, because ALL 3 of them are in their prime and top 10 players or even top 5 in the league! Even Lebron himself knew he had a monster team that he predicted 8 rings for them right?
Bill Russell to the Celtics is the most overpowered move of all time. Rodman to the Bulls is also up there. Ridiculous you say? Look at the results. They dwarf whatever is on this list. The Showtime Lakers have unmatched pedigree with Worthy on the team. Why not include them?
Walton had a long history of foot issues. NOBODY considered that an unfair trade WHEN IT HAPPENED, as he was considered likely to break AGAIN somewhere during the season.
Durant is obviously no.1. Miami should be 2, chamberlain 3. Harden to the nets should be there, not walton. His injury risk was VERY noteworthy in 85. But it's amazing how talent doesn't always win. Chemistry matters. I wonder if daryl morey has figured that out yet? I guess no.
Kevin Hoerant decision is the weakest decision by a superstar ever !! Up 3-1 to the warriors and couldn't close them down . Next year he joins them . Cupcake ASF
Hey Jonny, what if Magic Johnson and Larry Bird remained healthy and continued to play through the 90s? Would they have taken some rings off MJ? And how would their numbers affect their place in the all-time discussion? Might make for a great video
not necessarily take away some because the first ring of MJ was agaist Magic and to be fair, he doesn't even have Byron Scott and Kareem to work with. as for Larry, he nears his back-end (no puns intended) of his prime, and his supporting casts were getting older too. so yes, maybe not take some, but still, make the league more interesting as other younger teams at that point (Rockets, Magic, Blazers, Sonics, Jazz) start to rise
I was the same way. I'm a die hard Lakers fan but I didn't have a problem with Curry of GSW or KD until that happened, and I haven't respected KD or Steph since. Not that Steph isn't amazing like he is, or KD isn't a monster it was just a non-competitive way to go about it. The Cleveland GSW rival got destroyed because of that and we'll never truly know who is better... Lebron or Curry. They have similar ring totals, but it poses the question would they have been able to do that without KD on GS end. Would Lebron have 6. That just destroyed the rivalry.
I love the Celtics interview interview with David Stern and the trophy at 3:00 and within this very packed locker room full of cameras we find Larry in the back at the far right standing behind somebody else being barely visible. That sums up who he is perfectly.
Also, that Dwight Howard trade was shady. The 76ers cut ties with Andre Igoudala who was playing at an all star level to pick up Andrew Bynum and everyone in the world knew that Bynum's knees were busted and that's why they were willing to make a trade for Howard even with a bad back. The one season where Bynum's knees were still good and his progression as a player overlapped he was an all star. He was younger than Dwight Howard. Shaq said Bynum was the best center in the league. Something had to have been going on in Philly for them to make that trade.
Wilt to the Lakers too low imo, should be at least #2 because just like the 2016 Warriors the Lakers were coming off a finals loss and acquired arguably the best player in the league coming off 3 straight MVP seasons On an all time list I'm pretty sure the 69 Lakers would be the only team in history to have 3 arguable top 20 players
I think you should do the worst failed super teams on my number 3 list is 2004 New Jersey Nets best Jason Kidd and Vince Carter lit up the regular season and they had a good team you mite could put them number one well the other Nets With KD and Kyrie mite be one lol 😂
Trades shouldn't count. If a front office makes a great trade or takes advantage of the stupidity of another front office, I say good for them. It's when a bunch of superstars conspire to stack the deck (usually in their favourite vacation locale)...that's the shit I can't stand.
the bill walton move wasn't that crazy he was washed and could barely play he peaked 10 years before that and the injury's not near one of the top bigs of those years
Was it really unfair for Boston Celtics with that KG + Allen trade? They struggled in the playoffs, didn't they? And to be honest, I really didn't like the Nash + Howard trade when I saw that trade happening. Jonny forgot the trade that shook the NBA with the Pau Gasol trade.
Don’t hate the guy, but I’m also not a huge fan. He’s one of the greatest players of all time, but the guy is so fundamentally different form Kobe, so it’s been hard for us to embrace him in LA. Honestly, I see myself as a pretty neutral person on LeBron. On one hand, I can’t stand LeBron simps who act like everything he does is amazing, and he needs to be in every top 10 ever created. On the other hand, I can’t stand the haters who find EVERY OPPORTUNITY to spin everything he does into some kind of negative…. That’s childish to me. Like you can hate the guy all you want, but stop acting like he’s just trash at the game, because we all know that isn’t true.
@jonnyarnett thank you for replying! This is exactly what I figured you felt like based on your videos. You are arguably the best basketball content creator by the way! I personally like lebron but can completely understand why some people are not a fan of certain aspects about him. Im rare that my favorite players ever are mj, lebron, and kobe but I just appreciate greatness. You said it best when you said you can hate any of them as much as you want but it doesn’t make them trash and that in my opinion is the biggest problem with basketball fans these days.
what are your opinions on players/coaches being omitted in future anniversary teams. so far Bob Davies and Joe Fulks are the only two players who made an anniversary team (25th anniversary) who didn’t make subsequent ones. Bill Fitch and John Kundla are the only coaches who made the top 10 anniversary team but not the top 15 anniversary team. really Doc Rivers is better than John Kundla?
@ Malone was not an all star in the 2003 season. Tho he was still great but he was coming ontwards 40 bro. You don’t know if he’ll be the same year to year. Which bit them in the ass when the 40 year old to no one’s shock missed a lot of games. Malone played just 42 games GP was well removed from any AS just lies.
I think it's about adding to an already very good team. Not forming to become a great team. For instance, if Bulls added Hakeem to the team. Not Hakeem, MJ, Pippen, Rodman going to Orlando to form a superteam.
@ that team wasn’t very good shaq and Kobe were carrying that roster. Those La teams during the 3 peat were not some deep team, nor did they ever have some 3rd star or optionn Hell they never even had a guy like kukoc on those teams. Malone was was turning 40 he was a risk also, you don’t know how hell progress at this age. Which again bite them when the old man only played 42 games. And got hurt in the finals to. Gp wasn’t as old but he was still removed from any all defensive or all nba teams.
I think Demarcus Cousins to the Warriors(perceived to be healthy) was debatably even more "unfair" than KD, considering they had just come over back to back titles with KD
Its sad how Harden went through 2 eras of Superteams (Miami LBJ Superteam & KD GSW Superteam) and people wonder why he doesnt have championships He peaked at the worst time & place, simple
I respectfully think that it's not a sufficient excuse. Rockets in 2018 had a chance to get to the finals but colossally fumbled with their 3s in Game 7. Harden had the Nets and obviously they were talented and elite enough yet they fumbled due to circumstances that were more in their control rather than not.
@ CP3 missing Game 6 and 7, Rockets no longer have their best floor raiser on the court, facing against KD and Curry, no chance When it comes to the Nets, Kyrie missed Games 5 to 7, and Harden was forced to play through a Grade 2 hamstring injury so if you still think they had anything in control then idk what to tell you, Durant also went 0/6 in that G7 overtime
@@GXprogamer youre obviously micropicking things that were not in his control. I am saying that he had more that he couldve controlled other than those shortlisted stuff youve mentioned.
@@buenvidanadz1969 how do you want someone to defeat a great healthy team when THEIR OWN team has important players missing games due to injury? Talk about shortlisted things...LOL you mean things that determine wins and losses?
Sport is about winning wth the best team possible, the only things that need to be fair are the rules. The people that were upset with teams like GSW probably felt good about getting participation awards in school.
Why are free agent singing included? Since when was a player ever supposed to say no he can't join that team because it would be unfair? Are you trying to make your job harder or get less pay? But I guess they should right lol.
If u look at the 80 it percurse what going on today 2010 upper management now on the court in the back player decide there own destiny if u look at the lakers from 79 85 that probably the most stat team besides russell celtics then the celtic 80 too 86 almost 87 if len bias wasnt tragic
The 70's Knicks there has been a lot of stacked teams. Every team that wins is stacked. Good luck finding a team that won without multiple hall of famers or multiple All stars.
@@warreno.bryant4406 dont need to deflate balls for that. The NBA and their superstars have a long history of gambling on their own games. FBI reported Wilt and Russell would bet on their games. Of course no telling who they put their money on. Id be curious to know who Wilt put his money on? Im guessing it wasn't his team.
@jasonnelson6624 ooh facts wilt own clubs in philly with big time husslers gangsta street dudes who could of played in the nba alot of them turn down contract from makin so much money in the ghetto and russell was great friends with dr king civil rights leaders wilt was going box ali who had muslims noi backin him@@@
But as we see, only half of these, so called superteams, were able to win championship. Luckily the real basketball is something more than NBA 2K... on playstation.
The NBA owned the Hornets at the time that's how. If they didn't there wasn't anything they could've done. Mark Cuban, Dan Gilbert and other owners cried to David Stern about how unfair it was the Lakers were getting another dynasty so Stern listened to the crybabies and nixed it instead of keeping his word Dell Demps would have full autonomy.
I really don’t think Bill was unfair. It was a completely reasonable trade, and Bill was FAR from 1977 or 1978, where even at that point, he ALREADY had a history of injury and missing games. By 1985, he significantly waned from where he was during his peak, had an even riskier injury profile at that point, and could have reasonably been retired before that (which I believe he did retire after this point). And Boston was just amazing, they weren’t the absolute best and adding a KD. I think this was a strong trade, but not something unfair
David stern is a better commissioner than that bum Adam silver. He stopped super teams after LeBron did it and stood on business, but silver just allowed the two best players to be on the same team
What are you talking about? Stern only stopped one and that was solely because the NBA owned the Hornets and the other owners complained about how unfair it was. You want to argue Stern is better? You can do better than this one.
Lebron only made one super team and there is difference between his compared to the Celtics. He joined two top 5 players in the league, but the Celtics were past their primes. The Cavs were not super team. It was just bron and love. People overate kyrie like he was something different
Did anybody mention James Worthy, #1 draft pick by the Lakers in 1982, with Magic and Kareem and Jamaal Wilkes and Michael Cooper? Championship in 1980, then 1982 with Worthy, plus 85, 87, 88? I think that was KD level unfair, plus Warriors lost that first season with KD
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What was an NBA move that felt unfair when it went down?
KD to the Warriors
Jordan returning to the Bulls after one game with the Tune squad
Durant joining the Warriors
Clearly KD to the Warriors, but it was LeBron and Bosh to Miami before that
You can't compare old players joining force to young players in their prime joining force.
I remember finding the blazers so stacks in the 2000s but I don't remember which years and the outcome were not so good.
Anything seems bright on paper.
Damn, I miss role players ( specialists)
We all know what’s number 1. I’m interested in the rest
I stopped watching after this clown ranked 40 year old malone and older GP joining LA worst then when lebron joined Miami 😂.
It is worse. That team has Kobe Shaq Fisher and also they just three peated @@0vern9K
@@0vern9Khe’s literally dislikes bron and is the biggest lakers fan on this app what r u pouting about 😂
@@lRockyI what that gotta do with this video? I just said ranking GP and malone joining LA higher then the back to back mvp joining a top 3 and 15 player is ludicrous. And kinda crap
@@0vern9K its friendly fire is all I’m saying 😭
The CP3 trade with the lakers was vetoed by the NBA. Apart from KD signing with the 73 win warriors, this is the definition of “unfair” that the NBA stepped in to make sure it didn’t happen.
Please that trade would of set the Lakers back for years
@ ehhh a couple extra championships are worth it lmao
You mean on video games right
Seriously, how is that not on the list?
Stern and NBA powers that be didn’t want Kobe getting a 6th title
Hey Jonny just wanna say I enjoy tf outta your content your a really knowledgeable guy and I enjoy listening to your takes about the league and about history I hope you keep blowing up and moving forward dawg fr 💯
I loved it back in 2008 when Lakers Haters went absolutely berserk when the Lakers got Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown.
Jokic getting drafted is the most unfair acquisition. As of 12/9/2024, Nikola Jokic is:
2nd in Points
1st in Rebounds
2nd in Assists
6th in Steals
1st in Triple Doubles
4th in Double Doubles
2nd in Field Goals
2nd in Field Goal % (min 400 att)
2nd in 3p Field Goal %
6th in Free Throw % among Centers
1st in Offensive Rebounds
2nd in Defensive Rebounds
1st in PER (all time record)
1st in Offensive Box +\- (all time record)
1st in Total Box +\- (all time record)
1st in Offensive Win Shares
1st in Win Shares
1st in Win Shares per 48
1st in Value over Replacement Player
1st in Player Impact Estimate
As a 2nd round pick too! Insane
This is why the likes of Luka don't get any credit cos all you people do is look at analytics.
It's like you've never played the game of basketball, this is why you keep putting Jokic as MVP favourite despite losing to the WIZARDS of all teams, great players don't lose to such a team.
If we are gonna use PER to judge players then keep giving him MVP.
Not a Ja Morant who literally his presence pushed them 2nd seed where they're no where to be found last year.
Not Donovan Mitchell helping the cavs.
Not SGA helping OKC
Not James Harden not having Kawhi but is ahead of Jokic in seeding
Not Rockets from nowhere to 3rd seed
Even KD being 11-2 whilst Suns is 1-9 without him despite having multiple allstars of decent age, prime ages on his team.
Jokic stats, per. Cmon man watch the games not stats.
@@MarkLaw13aint reading all dat facts are jokic is the best in the world, the end
@lRockyI he is the best in the world but he gets not criticism.
Great player losing to the WIZARDS., how pathetic
@@MarkLaw13 your argument is like a kid max 7 years old, makes no sense just saying things thinking u are smart. just dont please dont u gona hurt yourselfe
i definitely think that kd, kyrie and harden to the nets as well as paul pierce and kg to the nets should have been on here
For me, it's harder to make it in recent years, because we've seen so many Super Teams fail at this point, and often times, you can tell that theres some major chemistry concerns going in. Like any "super team" that involved Harden or Westbrook, people already had major doubts about it working.
@@jonnyarnetti mean the reason why the Nets didnt work it was because of Kyrie Irving not wanting to take the vaccine, it wasnt because of Harden, dont know where you got that from
@GXprogamer The point wasn't about why it didn't work. The point was about the expectations going in. Expectations IS after all what defines whether or not a team is considered "unfair".
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Nobody thought the Walton trade was unfair. At that point, he was hurt more than he was healthy
Not a single person. They could have cut him and there wouldn't have been a long line to sign him. Hell he won 6th man because he surprised everyone with the little he did play 😂😂
I will always hate that KD move so much because it is incomparable to anything else in just how unfair it is. Potentially the greatest scorer of all time joinging a team that won 73 regular season games is fucking insane and there is no way those 2 championships should count for anything other than participation for being on that team
Lebron Dwade and Bosh in 2010 was just as bad if not worst since KD isn’t in any GOAT talks
the heat were not a 73 win team, it’s not even comparable
No not potentially he’s not the greatest scorer of all time you ppl who started watching ball in ‘15 only say that
@@georgio2976It was still just as bad ALMOST. He joined another top 3 player in basketball, then a top 15 player in bosh. But it’s lebron so casuals don’t critique his failures. Cause the media never does
@@0vern9Kyou're on something if you think joining a 73 win team as a superstar isn't worse like are you high? 🧐
Surprised you didnt mention the Brooklyn Nets super team
Yea they were better than the Howard Lakers trade
If they had Harden, they had no chance to win.
Number one was obvious Jonny. It just showed a lack of competition as well as being unfair.
I gotta disagree on Bill Walton, based on a lot of what I've heard, that acquisition was seen as a gamble by Boston, Walton had such a bad history with injuries that many thought he was at the end of his road before Red Auerbach signed him. I'd say more of a gamble/risk that paid off rather than unfair, Walton was well past his prime by then. He even described himself as a "Broken down old warhorse" in his HoF Speech when he signed with the Celtics.
Yeah, the fact that Bill Russell still won after the Wilt trade is the biggest argument against anyone saying he only won because his team was stacked. Truly the greatest winner of all time.
I Always enjoy your content Johnny. Thank you
Walton to the Celtics. Call it unfair is really unfair.
Walton suffered from injuries all of his career. For the Celtics it was a real gamble. There was an option that he wont be able to play too much
Walton was playing on one leg amd had higher injury risk than almost anyone in the NBA, and the numbers showed it. And it was at a position that the Celtics didn't need help at....even Bird could play PF when needed. They drafted Len Bias (who died shortly after) a month later - most people were comparing him to a bigger version of Michael Jordan at the time. That team would have been up there with the Bulls and KD Warriors.
MOSES is my 1st choice...he was the MVP and best player in the NBA ...KD was a MVP a couple of season before the trade..
Also MOSES made the finals just 2 seasons before
Kd wasnt traded he was a free agent.
I’ll give you this, KD joined the team and it made it the 2014-2016 MVP’s on the same team, and Moses joined the team and it made it the 1981-1983 MVP’s on the same team
@@Jonathan-A.C. you are aware Houston was losing him right? He would have been a free agent so why not get the most from trading him? That trade set them up pretty good in the future. Also for Kd was he supposed to say he can't sign with the warriors because we would be too good? 🤣🤣 every team amd every player tries to give them the best chance to win.
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I wasn’t arguing with you
@@Jonathan-A.C. I didn't take it as you were. I was just trying to understand your point of view.
The number 1 was the NBA rigging the draft for the Cavs to get 3 #1 overall picks in the 4 years that the fake king was on his South Beach vacay. That was shady.
Great video but hard disagree on #2, they were just big names along Shaq and Kobe
Brooklyn nets when they had Kyrie Erving, James Harden and Kevin Durant, that team was scary
As a Mavs fan if Luka leaves imma stop being a Mavs fan
The worst one in NBA history was Magic going to the Lakers. The Lakers had decided to let Gail Goodrich go to free agency years before. Goodrich signed with the Jazz and neither Goodrich, or the Jazz violated any rules. The commissioner stepped in and forced the Jazz to give the Lakers compensation. The weird thing is that it wasn't a flat out decree. The Jazz and the commissioner had to negotiate the compensation. The Jazz ended up compensating the first pick in the 79 draft which turned out to be Magic Johnson, to the Lakers. One of the dirtiest moves that the NBA has pulled off (and there is a long list of things to chose from).
Also, I think that you could have mentioned Chris Paul going to the Clippers. The Lakers made a trade for Chris Paul first that the commissioner stepped on for "Basketball reasons". His explanation went on to say that the Lakers didn't put together a good enough package. Then the Clippers made a worse deal with the Pelicans and Chris Paul joined DJ and Blake Griffen. This made them a championship contender for the first time in decades. Hell it was probably their greatest team ever. David Stern's e mails got leaked and in one of the e mails the Cavs owner was complaining about the trade to David Stern. Since the ownership of the Pelicans was so inept the NBA was partially controlling the Pelicans. It's never been proven, but whether there was an actual threat, or David Stern being a business lawyer had influenced Stern to revoke the trade from the Lakers, there was a potential with the NBA having partial control over the Pelicans that could have left an opening for one of the owners, or multiple owners suing the league in an anti-trust case.
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People get way too worked up over "unfairness," especially considering how frequently these acquisitions and superteams don't pan out.
I would have 33 year old Clyde Drexler (still making all-star games) joining the defending champion Houston Rockets somewhere on this list.
Not to mention that Barkley joined the team later too 😅
Good list Jonny, completely agree KD to Warriors in 2016 easily #1
No one beats Kevin Durant's move to the Warriors
The year after the Warriors got KD when they signed boogie cousins, I almost threw my TV out the window, but then boogie does what boogie does and his leg fell off
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Bill Walton wasn’t unfair because he was a good player at that time but not the star player form and Moses Malone was fair because Julius Erving deserve some help cause he always lose to the finals 3 times.
The only unfair here is Kevin Durant.
Lakers seem to always get the big trade
To be completely fair, Walton in 85 was considered beyond washed. Red Auerbach basically has to force doctors to lie about Bill still being able to play basketball when he had his physical
I still think that if Karl Malone's knee hadn't gotten injured, that series versus Detroit would have been more competitive.
@@jonnuanez7183 Slava Mvedevenko normally a third stringer was 6th in total minutes played in that Finals. We had no frontcourt besides him and Shaq.
@CrazyxEnigma I knew we weren't gonna match up against Ben-no one could. Shaq was already slowing down. So you spread the floor a little more and use Karl's knowledge of the pick and roll, which was so successful with Stockton. Of course then you had Chauncey on the perimeter against an aging Payton, and Tayshaun to worry about with Karl. Damn...
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Yeah them with Rasheed, it was over. But the series could’ve gone a more competitive 6 games if they had those dudes playing. *Maybe* 7.
But you know what I find funny. Who was it that even resulted in them winning a game? Luke Walton. Mr. Gets constantly shit on by everyone, and used as a reason for why the 05-07 Lakers sucked, and why the later Lakers who had him coach, sucked. Luke and Shaq won that, and Kobe sucked.
Imagine if Luke was able to get shots off more and plays set up for him….
Perimeter shooting after all was what could actually dampen Detroit’s defense
for me relative to era wilt to the lakers is number 2 bare minimum arguably number 1 as with that trade they had in my opinion 3 of the top 5 best players in the nba with the best best player. Imagine if Jokic and shai teamed up with luka it would be completely unfair
The first ever Big 3?
Nothing beats KD to the Warriors. But I agree it’s up there
That fade away over Anthony Mason with the ball fake on David Wesley (is it?) Is just beautiful to watch
It is and it is
Love your vids, give coaches some love..who are your top four and why ?
Respectfully but absolutely disagree with no.2 because Malone was already 40yrs old and Payton 35, both past their primes. Proven by Malone ended up only playing half the season. Payton the year before joining LA also only played 28 games. If you count this trade then you also need to count Shaq still much younger than Malone at 33 and fresh out of the previous finals joining Miami which ended up winning the title! Lebron and Bosh joining DWade in Miami by far out ranks Malone & Payton joining LA, because ALL 3 of them are in their prime and top 10 players or even top 5 in the league! Even Lebron himself knew he had a monster team that he predicted 8 rings for them right?
Bill Russell to the Celtics is the most overpowered move of all time. Rodman to the Bulls is also up there. Ridiculous you say? Look at the results. They dwarf whatever is on this list. The Showtime Lakers have unmatched pedigree with Worthy on the team. Why not include them?
Walton had a long history of foot issues.
NOBODY considered that an unfair trade WHEN IT HAPPENED, as he was considered likely to break AGAIN somewhere during the season.
Thank you Jonny!
Durant is obviously no.1. Miami should be 2, chamberlain 3. Harden to the nets should be there, not walton. His injury risk was VERY noteworthy in 85.
But it's amazing how talent doesn't always win. Chemistry matters. I wonder if daryl morey has figured that out yet? I guess no.
Kevin Hoerant decision is the weakest decision by a superstar ever !! Up 3-1 to the warriors and couldn't close them down . Next year he joins them . Cupcake ASF
Hey Jonny, what if Magic Johnson and Larry Bird remained healthy and continued to play through the 90s? Would they have taken some rings off MJ? And how would their numbers affect their place in the all-time discussion? Might make for a great video
not necessarily take away some because the first ring of MJ was agaist Magic and to be fair, he doesn't even have Byron Scott and Kareem to work with. as for Larry, he nears his back-end (no puns intended) of his prime, and his supporting casts were getting older too. so yes, maybe not take some, but still, make the league more interesting as other younger teams at that point (Rockets, Magic, Blazers, Sonics, Jazz) start to rise
I was going to mention Chris Paul being traded to the Lakers, but for basketball reasons I won't.
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I liked both GS and KD until they teamed up - haven't liked either since.
I was the same way. I'm a die hard Lakers fan but I didn't have a problem with Curry of GSW or KD until that happened, and I haven't respected KD or Steph since. Not that Steph isn't amazing like he is, or KD isn't a monster it was just a non-competitive way to go about it. The Cleveland GSW rival got destroyed because of that and we'll never truly know who is better... Lebron or Curry. They have similar ring totals, but it poses the question would they have been able to do that without KD on GS end. Would Lebron have 6. That just destroyed the rivalry.
Is Shaq to the heat here?
The thing that I notice (as expected), is that all but 2 of these acquisitions were veteran players and sometimes even post-injury.
Rodman to the bulls… unfair
I love the Celtics interview interview with David Stern and the trophy at 3:00 and within this very packed locker room full of cameras we find Larry in the back at the far right standing behind somebody else being barely visible. That sums up who he is perfectly.
2 and 3 need to be switched. malone and payton were in there teilight if there careers, and balco bosh and wade were in their prime, its no comparison
I would love to see a in-depth video about Baylor.
I thought Shaq to the Lakers was going to be on this list. I remember being shocked that a trade like that was happening.
I strongly disagree with this. Miami heat the unfair team put together. Golden state did after Miami heats Big Three
Stop bitching about KD joining the warriors. LBJ and Bosh at their PRIME joining prime DWade in Miami was the most unfair lol.
I'mma put lebron and bosh to miami at 2 over the lakers one
Also, that Dwight Howard trade was shady. The 76ers cut ties with Andre Igoudala who was playing at an all star level to pick up Andrew Bynum and everyone in the world knew that Bynum's knees were busted and that's why they were willing to make a trade for Howard even with a bad back. The one season where Bynum's knees were still good and his progression as a player overlapped he was an all star. He was younger than Dwight Howard. Shaq said Bynum was the best center in the league. Something had to have been going on in Philly for them to make that trade.
Wilt to the Lakers too low imo, should be at least #2 because just like the 2016 Warriors the Lakers were coming off a finals loss and acquired arguably the best player in the league coming off 3 straight MVP seasons
On an all time list I'm pretty sure the 69 Lakers would be the only team in history to have 3 arguable top 20 players
Them injuries were horrible in playoffs
Nah Miami over 03 Lakers team that Heat team had in their prime 3 franchise players 😂
I think you should do the worst failed super teams on my number 3 list is 2004 New Jersey Nets best Jason Kidd and Vince Carter lit up the regular season and they had a good team you mite could put them number one well the other Nets With KD and Kyrie mite be one lol 😂
Trades shouldn't count. If a front office makes a great trade or takes advantage of the stupidity of another front office, I say good for them. It's when a bunch of superstars conspire to stack the deck (usually in their favourite vacation locale)...that's the shit I can't stand.
I love KD but him saying the 2017 finals was even had me just lost
Peace to The 1983 76ers.
the bill walton move wasn't that crazy he was washed and could barely play he peaked 10 years before that and the injury's not near one of the top bigs of those years
Was it really unfair for Boston Celtics with that KG + Allen trade? They struggled in the playoffs, didn't they? And to be honest, I really didn't like the Nash + Howard trade when I saw that trade happening. Jonny forgot the trade that shook the NBA with the Pau Gasol trade.
Jonny can you tell us if you like lebron or not. This is a legit question.
Don’t hate the guy, but I’m also not a huge fan. He’s one of the greatest players of all time, but the guy is so fundamentally different form Kobe, so it’s been hard for us to embrace him in LA.
Honestly, I see myself as a pretty neutral person on LeBron. On one hand, I can’t stand LeBron simps who act like everything he does is amazing, and he needs to be in every top 10 ever created. On the other hand, I can’t stand the haters who find EVERY OPPORTUNITY to spin everything he does into some kind of negative…. That’s childish to me. Like you can hate the guy all you want, but stop acting like he’s just trash at the game, because we all know that isn’t true.
@jonnyarnett thank you for replying! This is exactly what I figured you felt like based on your videos. You are arguably the best basketball content creator by the way!
I personally like lebron but can completely understand why some people are not a fan of certain aspects about him. Im rare that my favorite players ever are mj, lebron, and kobe but I just appreciate greatness.
You said it best when you said you can hate any of them as much as you want but it doesn’t make them trash and that in my opinion is the biggest problem with basketball fans these days.
I’d love to see Luka and Jokic team up.
It was such a joy to watch the pistons beat the shit out of that Lakers team
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what are your opinions on players/coaches being omitted in future anniversary teams. so far Bob Davies and Joe Fulks are the only two players who made an anniversary team (25th anniversary) who didn’t make subsequent ones. Bill Fitch and John Kundla are the only coaches who made the top 10 anniversary team but not the top 15 anniversary team.
really Doc Rivers is better than John Kundla?
No way you put 40 year old malone and GP joining LA over lebron joining prime D Wade and Chris Bosh😂, this list is a joke
Those are all stars you just named dummy. Now add that with Kobe and Shaq 😂
@ Malone was not an all star in the 2003 season. Tho he was still great but he was coming ontwards 40 bro. You don’t know if he’ll be the same year to year. Which bit them in the ass when the 40 year old to no one’s shock missed a lot of games. Malone played just 42 games
GP was well removed from any AS just lies.
I think it's about adding to an already very good team. Not forming to become a great team.
For instance, if Bulls added Hakeem to the team.
Not Hakeem, MJ, Pippen, Rodman going to Orlando to form a superteam.
@ that team wasn’t very good shaq and Kobe were carrying that roster. Those La teams during the 3 peat were not some deep team, nor did they ever have some 3rd star or optionn
Hell they never even had a guy like kukoc on those teams.
Malone was was turning 40 he was a risk also, you don’t know how hell progress at this age. Which again bite them when the old man only played 42 games. And got hurt in the finals to.
Gp wasn’t as old but he was still removed from any all defensive or all nba teams.
@@0vern9K I agree but they were good enough to win it all. They would have if not for the Spurs cos they would have faced the Nets
A good list although i don't agree with some of them
Before I even watch this KD to golden State is number 1
I think Demarcus Cousins to the Warriors(perceived to be healthy) was debatably even more "unfair" than KD, considering they had just come over back to back titles with KD
Signed for the minimum too
Its sad how Harden went through 2 eras of Superteams (Miami LBJ Superteam & KD GSW Superteam) and people wonder why he doesnt have championships
He peaked at the worst time & place, simple
I respectfully think that it's not a sufficient excuse. Rockets in 2018 had a chance to get to the finals but colossally fumbled with their 3s in Game 7. Harden had the Nets and obviously they were talented and elite enough yet they fumbled due to circumstances that were more in their control rather than not.
@ CP3 missing Game 6 and 7, Rockets no longer have their best floor raiser on the court, facing against KD and Curry, no chance
When it comes to the Nets, Kyrie missed Games 5 to 7, and Harden was forced to play through a Grade 2 hamstring injury so if you still think they had anything in control then idk what to tell you, Durant also went 0/6 in that G7 overtime
@@GXprogamer youre obviously micropicking things that were not in his control. I am saying that he had more that he couldve controlled other than those shortlisted stuff youve mentioned.
@@buenvidanadz1969 how do you want someone to defeat a great healthy team when THEIR OWN team has important players missing games due to injury?
Talk about shortlisted things...LOL you mean things that determine wins and losses?
And choked at the worst time and places
Every single player the lakers have ever acquired
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No cp3 to lakers? They literally blocked it cause owners complained that it was unfair
Yeah, but it never went through, so was it really an acquisition?
Basketball is becoming Soccer
Flopping, stacked teams....all we need like the 20th century yankees and Real Madrid...every year same champs
And only the CP3 trade was unfair.
Jokic to Boston
Sport is about winning wth the best team possible, the only things that need to be fair are the rules. The people that were upset with teams like GSW probably felt good about getting participation awards in school.
As I've said before no fan has ever complained about their team getting better.
3:13 This didn't even work lol
You meant "not against the rules," not "illegal.""
Dennis Rodman to the bulls??
What about demarcus cousins Joining the warriors literally the year after kd joined
Why did you put Luka with a nuggets jersey
Prophesying. lol
The Nuggets tried to trade for the #2 pick to draft Luka
Why are free agent singing included? Since when was a player ever supposed to say no he can't join that team because it would be unfair? Are you trying to make your job harder or get less pay? But I guess they should right lol.
CP3 to Kobes Lakers
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If u look at the 80 it percurse what going on today 2010 upper management now on the court in the back player decide there own destiny if u look at the lakers from 79 85 that probably the most stat team besides russell celtics then the celtic 80 too 86 almost 87 if len bias wasnt tragic
The 70's Knicks there has been a lot of stacked teams. Every team that wins is stacked. Good luck finding a team that won without multiple hall of famers or multiple All stars.
@jasonnelson6624 yes correct but phil j book said and another referee during that era they deflated the ball and get the calls favor
@@warreno.bryant4406 dont need to deflate balls for that. The NBA and their superstars have a long history of gambling on their own games. FBI reported Wilt and Russell would bet on their games. Of course no telling who they put their money on. Id be curious to know who Wilt put his money on? Im guessing it wasn't his team.
@jasonnelson6624 ooh facts wilt own clubs in philly with big time husslers gangsta street dudes who could of played in the nba alot of them turn down contract from makin so much money in the ghetto and russell was great friends with dr king civil rights leaders wilt was going box ali who had muslims noi backin him@@@
But as we see, only half of these, so called superteams, were able to win championship. Luckily the real basketball is something more than NBA 2K... on playstation.
Its crasy how cp3 to the lakers was blocked but kd to the warriors wasnt. Really shows you the quality of leadership at the NBA
You don't realize Durant was a free agent right?
There is no way the nba could have blocked kd to golden state
The NBA owned the Hornets at the time that's how. If they didn't there wasn't anything they could've done. Mark Cuban, Dan Gilbert and other owners cried to David Stern about how unfair it was the Lakers were getting another dynasty so Stern listened to the crybabies and nixed it instead of keeping his word Dell Demps would have full autonomy.
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KD is charmin soft!!!!!!
Lebron's the Decision was the weakest move by a superstar ever when he made it then KD took it to another level
I really don’t think Bill was unfair. It was a completely reasonable trade, and Bill was FAR from 1977 or 1978, where even at that point, he ALREADY had a history of injury and missing games. By 1985, he significantly waned from where he was during his peak, had an even riskier injury profile at that point, and could have reasonably been retired before that (which I believe he did retire after this point). And Boston was just amazing, they weren’t the absolute best and adding a KD.
I think this was a strong trade, but not something unfair
David stern is a better commissioner than that bum Adam silver. He stopped super teams after LeBron did it and stood on business, but silver just allowed the two best players to be on the same team
Um Lebron made 2 super teams and the Celtics super team all under Sterns watch but somehow CP3 and Kobe was unfair?
What are you talking about? Stern only stopped one and that was solely because the NBA owned the Hornets and the other owners complained about how unfair it was. You want to argue Stern is better? You can do better than this one.
Lebron only made one super team and there is difference between his compared to the Celtics. He joined two top 5 players in the league, but the Celtics were past their primes. The Cavs were not super team. It was just bron and love. People overate kyrie like he was something different
I agree with number 1. The rest of this video is whack
This man really forgot Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons in 2024
Did anybody mention James Worthy, #1 draft pick by the Lakers in 1982, with Magic and Kareem and Jamaal Wilkes and Michael Cooper? Championship in 1980, then 1982 with Worthy, plus 85, 87, 88? I think that was KD level unfair, plus Warriors lost that first season with KD
The Warriors won the first two seasons with KD. And Worthy didn’t win his first ring with the Lakers until 1985.
Right. The unfair part was Lakers winning a championship in 82 and drafting Worthy 1st overall later that year