Tbf looking at it logically it gonna be pretty hard to even cross the deployable wooden screen knowing there's thosuands of spear armed men at the other side XD
It only happens if your army stays still for a whole turn and then gets attacked by the enemy. You rarely ever get to use them because you can move so far on Shogun 2 an enemy army is usually within range before the conditions are met. I'm almost certain another game has this exact same mechanic Empire and Napoleon?? I think you can stand on wall barricades and plant mines in those wait Medieval 2 has them too I remember using stakes for English Longbows.
@@pablopablo3834 Stakes in Medieval 2 are a unit ability that some (usually higher tier) ranged units have, it's not the same system as deployables in later games.
@@awloreits because when you select multiple units and deploy them as a yari wall, there will be gaps between the units. If you put every unit together, its a gigantic speerwall
@@udozocklein6023 Not really. Usually, people didn't build barricades on the battlefield. The most notable cases in Medieval Europe were the Hussites with their carts, and later the English with their longbowmen during the HYW, and the French with their artillery and gunmen during its last battle at Castillon. In Japan, Nobunaga was the first one to become famous for combining trenches, barricades, spearmen, and gunmen to take out the Takeda army at Nagashino. The tactic was later reused by his successors in the few conflicts that followed his death.
nice joke. usually people didn't build barricades on battlefields - just the two most important players and also roma and many more used the tactic when it made sense.@@Knoloaify
@udozocklein6023 There is a big difference between a handful of battles over the entirety of the medieval period and "nearly everyone did it". If it was as common as you say we'd naturally see it in most battles, and yet we don't. Or please tell me about the barricades of Bouvines, Hattin, Nicopolis, Hastings, the battles of Kawanakajima, Okehazama, etc. You said nearly all of them did, so surely those field battles and many more would have people building trenches and barricades on thr battlefield right?
That is wild, I really like using the deployable walls like that to create little forts but had never thought about making channels like that for my Yari.
You can also do a Shogun I style bridgehead (90% of the battle maps are rivers with 1 bridge 😭). Need at least 2 layers to make it work (gaps/pathing nonsense), but he had plenty of archers to do it.... and could have then ran the archers into the woods (AI so forgetful). Once the tarball bridgehead is engaged, get the archers in range from the side and rain hell down on them while screening with yari sam and sending cav after AI's ranged units.
Legend's biggest advantage in Shogun 2 is that he has been to Rome and around. The Japanese won't know what happened in Thermopylae and the strategy used there 😂
You mean the strategy of using chokepoints? Probably the most universally recognizable strategies out there. Sun Tzu even mentions it back in the 400s... BC...
Routes what normally would be considered a key to victory, then overcomes all odds by using the AI against itself while taking few casualties. Can't be more LoTW than this. 😂
Now that you are re-connecting with all these older total wars perhaps you can make some updated tier lists as to which one has “the most fun battles” or “the most balanced mechanics” etc!
I have 963 hours in shogun 2, I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT OF LAYERING THE DAMN BAMBOO WALLS. This was an incredible battle to watch legend thank you so much!!!
The yari walls can technically hit through the barricades to the units attempting to flank so that can be pretty useful in impassable terrain scenarios where units don't have to set up inside the barricades.
Small correction here: Shogun 2 very much gives a lot of autoresolve power to archers because for some reason it assumes that you can perfectly kite the AI. FOTS is the best example of this
This may sounds really strange, but did I use to know you? I remember I used to talk to a guy with the exact same avatar as you. Was it maybe Denko? I think we spoke on Discord or FJ.
@@Tekizeri Not to my knowledge, at least the name doesn't instantly ring a bell. I dunno if you heard the voice of whoever it was but I am identifiably Irish. Don't sweat it though, I appreciate the random reconnect attempt, I've seen some odd people out in the wild on other sites before who I knew from other areas.
Having a decent number of archers is still very useful in Shogun 2, since having ranged superiority is very important since the enemy likes to sit on hills. Not to mention sieges. Definitely not more than 10 per army though.
@@cezarmagicchess3665 multilayer is a whole different ballgame. 4-8 archers is the ideal number in campaign. The AI is not the best at effectively using its cavalry.
Wow I have 650+ hrs in this game and I didn't know until know that ashigaru can run in yari wall hahah. Also this tactics was new to me, so it was very cool to watch this battle :)
Look up the “unit formation ultimate” mod. Lot of units start punching above their weight but oh god do aoe spells and anti-infantry artillery hurt. Corse that’s what cheese is for.
@@qwerasdf-oy6uo you could just give them magic res in formation as dwarfs do use runes to blunt magic. Warhammer is geared to much into stats and point and click spells over tactics. It has gotten worse since then. But there's a few mods which help with that.
I'm new to Total War having only played Warhammers and Rome Remastered, so this is really interesting to see all the historical titles and how they played.
This feels like a real army tactic that the Japanese would use. A bunch of sturdy field walls that the enemy commander is too dumb to figure out a way to get around. Would go in the history books for sure as one of those truly pivotal battles for sure!
Romans were known to build forts very quickly sometimes even while under enemy fire. Legionnaires holding the line while auxiliaries did the construction. It must’ve been so infuriating for the enemy to have their plans for open field battle upended like that. Caesar famously took part in a double siege. He besieged a walled settlement in Gaul, erected a second wall around it to contain and strangle the enemy and then got besieged himself by enemy’s reinforcements. So in the end this is also a very historically accurate tactic, albeit game makes it seem kinda exploity.
I'm surprised you still remember all the cheese there is for every particular Total War, especially because some things work in the opposite way in one game or the other. Always honoring the TH-cam name lol.
I've only found this game playable with Darthmod Slow Mode. It might even be the best battles I've seen since the Roma Surrectum Slow Mode on the original Rome. It gives the units actually plausible survivability so you can (or have to more like) pull off tactical moves to actually do damage. Especially effective to keep some elite troops in reserve and put them to use once the enemy is exhausted. Nothing more satisfying than using terrain and tactical reserves to defeat a much larger force, something that really isn't possible when 70% of both armies are dead within 2 and a half minutes. It also captures that aspect where the majority of casualties come from routes, which makes it more standard that the winning force is still a viable force to go to a second battle immediately even if it was a 4k v 4k situation
I gotta disagree on Missile Infantry here. While the AI gets an accuracy bonus, the Chosokabe version of the bow infantry is still as strong or slightly stronger than the AI and he should definitely focus on getting the bow warrior monks and build his armies around them. Cavalry is overall too vulnerable to be effective but I don't know if this holds up with the Takeda version.
I started playing Shogun 2 for the first time a few days ago and I have a question about managing finances. I'm new to Shogun but not to Total War - I played all Total Wars from the original Shogun up to Empire for hundreds of hours when they came out and I can safely say I've mastered them (except for Empire, only played about 7-8 campaigns). I'm also playing as Chosokabe, 50 turns into the game I have 12 provinces (all peacefully occupied) and I'm only able to support a bit more than 2 full stacks while barely keeping my income in the black. When I had 6-7 provinces and virtually no income all surrounding clans with fewer provinces had a higher power rating than me and their provinces were more developed than mine. In the beginning I was trying to develop my provinces but when everyone started declaring war on me I had to scrap that and pump out troops so basically I haven't constructed a single building in more than 10 turns. I know that AI in TW games gets "invisible" bonuses (although I don't know the details in Shogun 2) so I'm wondering is this a "normal" game or am I doing something wrong? How much does trade matter? I can't trade with anyone because I'm on an island and apparently no other clan has port capacity to trade with me. I'm asking because the guy in the video seems to be doing much better financially. Playing on Hard difficulty btw.
Trade matters a LOT in Shogun 2 actually. The trick is to hold onto key resources with your trade ships stationed at the little icons on the map out at sea. Defend those points with your navy to get access to specific trade goods that generate extra incom and also other clans will want to trade with you for the goods, so you'll generate a lot more income from trade deals on top of that. The trick of course is to make those deals with clans you pose no immediate threat to, which if I recall correctly, for the Chokosabe should be clans all the way on the other side of the map, like the Date clan. Of course, if I also recall correctly the Chokosabe are the Christian clan right? Or are they the ones on the little island? I think they get diplo penalties as a result of that, so you may have some issues there to overcome (usually by paying some tributes for a while to butter up a clan so they'll eventually sign a deal so you have more seasonal income). Just remember that in Shogun 2, once you get too big it starts an end game condition called Realm Divide, which makes every clan on the map increasingly hate you so they'll all form alliances against you and try to defeat you collectively. You won't have to worry about that though until you have roughly 1/3rd of the map though on Hard though (I think it's 50% on normal and goes down in percentage with each difficulty level you go up, so it might be 40% on hard and 30% on Very Hard, I'm not sure) unless you take Kyoto, then it triggers immediately. But don't let anyone else tell you that diplomacy or trade deals don't matter in Shogun 2. I won my very first campaign in that game becoming a trade master and used that income to fund my growth with province income mostly taking care of upkeep, by having like 10-15 active trade deals for most of the mid-game by trading with all the little tiny clans that have one or two provinces and only one or two big ones. Even more importantly the accruing diplo bonuses that came from the many years of trade with so many clans meant that when Realm Divide triggered, it didn't immediately cause every clan to turn on me, as the system adds on a growing diplo penalty that does max out after a few turns and can take a while to burn through accrued positive diplo points with a clan. Which in turn let me use that time to take out enemy clans one by one rather than facing everyone else at once. So I speak from experience when I say this is a viable strategy. All of that said, you probably don't need that many stacks in Shogun 2 anyway. At least not if you focus on taking one side of the map first. Japan itself is rather narrow, and once you have established a line of secured provinces on one end or the other you really only need two stacks moving along the length of the country taking new provinces. One for the north, and one for the south, as you move lengthwise along the country. This is fairly easy for certain clans to focus on that start near either end, but it's a nightmare and can't be done terribly well if you play as one of the clans more in the center of the map like the Oda or the Tokugawa.
Switch your taxation rate to max every second turn and drop it back to where your provinces are no longer red in between to maximise your income without suffering rebellions. Don't be lured in by fancy expensive units. Crapstacks of Yari Ashigaru are overpowered for their cost. They can do a lot of work on their own, or you can use them to reinforce your specialist armies or even just each other. You'll be able to get more done than your enemies with all these stacks and maintain a koku advantage as well.
get metsuke with high "overseeing settlements" skill to sit in your richest settlements, they will increase the effective tax rate and get you a lot of cash. Capture trade nodes and make trade deals, build ports to expand your trade capacity. Put markets and sake dens in your cities to make money. You can also leave a faction with just one castle and bully them for money every few turns, siege them and demand money in exchange for peace, rinse and repeat
I started playing total war because I love strategy and tactics. I wanted to emulate famous battle strategies used by legendary generals. Instead, I've mastered turtles and other cheese strategies that only work against brain dead AI lmao.
A simple trick to get Stand and Fight where you want them is to first dismount the general before using it. He will deploy where he is standing but either way, I don't see it as feasible in this battle anyway
I have played this game since day 1 and never knew you could run in yari wall as long as you do not click an attack order. Too bad CA took out a lot of tactics in their modern games.
Playing Takeda for the first time and your initial Daimyo starts with Fear. So much fun running around and routing units. My other starting general's first level up got him the Sword of Ameratsu as the items/retainers choice, so he also causes Fear. It's amazing.
i am playing shogun 2 fall of the samurai now, i love this game. I bought it 8 years ago and never played it. I installed a mod that adds 3 morale to all units, it really makes it more fun. it's called "More Morale" on steam workshop lol.
"Hehee, we are going to use deployeable walls to really screw over the enemy's pathfinding" - Legend of Total War "Wait, why are my units confused about pathfinding in these barricades?" - Also Legend of Total War
What a display of foul tactics. I love it.
He is still skaven at heart
In the art of war and love which is a battlefield there do not exist any foul tactics. LUL
A shamefur dispray!
shameful, one might say
his whole channel is really just about bullying the ai. i love it.
Disgusting! I love it!
😂😂😂
why did you never do that
Not enough Kablooey for Pilps' taste i guess 😅@@bertibert6656
Never even knew or considered it! Will do now however!@@bertibert6656
Gonna be in your next video right? Need to see a general getting off while in the center lol.
Or you could call it... The Yaricade!
EDIT: Woo, I won!
100%
Sounds yarimazing
That is a great title for this technique!
I think he changed the title to it
He changed the title to match, so congrats on the name lol
Who would win?
- Katana Samurai hardened with glorious nippon cheats, folded 100000 times
- A flimsy piece of wood
a long spear peasant-boi
@@Srymakmany such cases
Tbf looking at it logically it gonna be pretty hard to even cross the deployable wooden screen knowing there's thosuands of spear armed men at the other side XD
everyone knows nippon steel sucks, pointy stick forever
A staunch line of spears always wins. 😂
I've played this game for 700 hours and never knew you had deployables holy shit
1100 hrs here, knew about them, but this is next level stuff clearly, wow.
It only happens if your army stays still for a whole turn and then gets attacked by the enemy. You rarely ever get to use them because you can move so far on Shogun 2 an enemy army is usually within range before the conditions are met. I'm almost certain another game has this exact same mechanic Empire and Napoleon?? I think you can stand on wall barricades and plant mines in those wait Medieval 2 has them too I remember using stakes for English Longbows.
@@pablopablo3834 Stakes in Medieval 2 are a unit ability that some (usually higher tier) ranged units have, it's not the same system as deployables in later games.
YEAH WTF I'm thinking the same right now.
I've only been able to deploy it once or twice. 550 hours but split across base and Fall of the Samurai.
Finally, someone thought to close the gap in Yari
There is a joke here and I don't get it. I feel so dumb
@@HansWurst1569 If there is, it's gone over my head
@@Makofueled maybe its the "Yuri>Yari" hence gap closed...but if its not, it went over my head too
@@awloreits because when you select multiple units and deploy them as a yari wall, there will be gaps between the units. If you put every unit together, its a gigantic speerwall
@@leonottens9891 thank you for the explanation, definitively not what i was thinking
Using temporary structures and superior tactics with spearmen.. Legend is Oda Nobunaga now.
didn't nearly all japanese generals, or medieval warfare leaders in general, use this tactic? i mean... the french and british sure did
@@udozocklein6023 Not really. Usually, people didn't build barricades on the battlefield. The most notable cases in Medieval Europe were the Hussites with their carts, and later the English with their longbowmen during the HYW, and the French with their artillery and gunmen during its last battle at Castillon.
In Japan, Nobunaga was the first one to become famous for combining trenches, barricades, spearmen, and gunmen to take out the Takeda army at Nagashino. The tactic was later reused by his successors in the few conflicts that followed his death.
nice joke. usually people didn't build barricades on battlefields - just the two most important players and also roma and many more used the tactic when it made sense.@@Knoloaify
@udozocklein6023 There is a big difference between a handful of battles over the entirety of the medieval period and "nearly everyone did it".
If it was as common as you say we'd naturally see it in most battles, and yet we don't. Or please tell me about the barricades of Bouvines, Hattin, Nicopolis, Hastings, the battles of Kawanakajima, Okehazama, etc.
You said nearly all of them did, so surely those field battles and many more would have people building trenches and barricades on thr battlefield right?
@@Knoloaifyno by Odas early pike and shot existed and it was the start of trench warfare
Loving the historical stuff mate
That is wild, I really like using the deployable walls like that to create little forts but had never thought about making channels like that for my Yari.
Making a little fort where your yari can guard the openings in a V shaped formation works really well.
You can also do a Shogun I style bridgehead (90% of the battle maps are rivers with 1 bridge 😭). Need at least 2 layers to make it work (gaps/pathing nonsense), but he had plenty of archers to do it.... and could have then ran the archers into the woods (AI so forgetful). Once the tarball bridgehead is engaged, get the archers in range from the side and rain hell down on them while screening with yari sam and sending cav after AI's ranged units.
You know the gloves are coming off when legend starts control groups ;)
Damn this one is insane. So creative with all the tactics, tight maneuver and ofc the cheese.
Very fun and informative episode.
Legend's biggest advantage in Shogun 2 is that he has been to Rome and around.
The Japanese won't know what happened in Thermopylae and the strategy used there 😂
Actually they do ! Check for Tomoe Gozen and the Battle of Uchide no Hama which happened in 1184
@@meksil8776true, forgive the guy cuz he doesn't really know most of Japanese history, a shameful display! 😂
You mean the strategy of using chokepoints? Probably the most universally recognizable strategies out there. Sun Tzu even mentions it back in the 400s... BC...
Thermamoplyae didn't invent using chokepoints, every society already knows about them.
The staunch line of spears really made a comeback...
How could you not call that "the Yaricade"?
I didn't think of it. But I've changed the title now.
When Yari Ashigaru fall below 40 (?) models, Yari Wall is disabled due to casualties, essentially.
I've always used a yari wall, but never like this. Legend after all these years, you still show us new tricks! much love
Routes what normally would be considered a key to victory, then overcomes all odds by using the AI against itself while taking few casualties. Can't be more LoTW than this. 😂
Now that you are re-connecting with all these older total wars perhaps you can make some updated tier lists as to which one has “the most fun battles” or “the most balanced mechanics” etc!
Legend using the old "Julius Caesar Special." Turns out that shit works against more than just Gauls!! Loving the Shogun 2 content Legend!
what if they would have build a wall around his wall? then he would have build an extra wall inside of his wall. roman wall races where hillarious :D
This has got to be the first time I've seen Deployables used in this way. I gotta give it a try Myself
lol gotta wait for an opportunity to actually use it as it requires not moving your unit for a turn
Imagine a total war game where positioning, morale, fatigue, and flanking matters.
^this
Unpopular opinion: Total War peaked with Shogun 2.
@@SuperSaiyanD48 thats not unpopular its a fact
@@SuperSaiyanD48 rome 2 and attile were awesome as well. id say the good total wars were rome 2, shogun, medival 2, attila and empires
@@TheLoki7281Rome 2 was not good. Rome 1 was far better, otherwise I agree.
I have 963 hours in shogun 2, I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT OF LAYERING THE DAMN BAMBOO WALLS.
This was an incredible battle to watch legend thank you so much!!!
Yarimazing!
I never thought about using the barricades like this...Absolutely brilliant
I never used these walls before. This is beautiful, a staunch line of bamboo shielding the spears.
Jeff, the God of Cheese has visited us this day.
It was so rare to watch some videos because I was sick of Warhammer 3. This new historic series is a blast for me. Thank you legend.
By far one of the most brilliant TW videos I’ve ever seen.
The yari walls can technically hit through the barricades to the units attempting to flank so that can be pretty useful in impassable terrain scenarios where units don't have to set up inside the barricades.
Legend is still fucking Legend doesn't matter wich Game
Small correction here: Shogun 2 very much gives a lot of autoresolve power to archers because for some reason it assumes that you can perfectly kite the AI. FOTS is the best example of this
tremendous. and let’s just take another moment to appreciate the game’s gorgeous soundtrack
This was like poetry on a super big, yari shaped quill.
This may sounds really strange, but did I use to know you? I remember I used to talk to a guy with the exact same avatar as you. Was it maybe Denko? I think we spoke on Discord or FJ.
@@Tekizeri Not to my knowledge, at least the name doesn't instantly ring a bell. I dunno if you heard the voice of whoever it was but I am identifiably Irish.
Don't sweat it though, I appreciate the random reconnect attempt, I've seen some odd people out in the wild on other sites before who I knew from other areas.
You say cheese I say unorthodox millitary tactics.
Having a decent number of archers is still very useful in Shogun 2, since having ranged superiority is very important since the enemy likes to sit on hills. Not to mention sieges. Definitely not more than 10 per army though.
If you bring more than 6 units of archers, you are dead meat from enemy cavlry. Cavlry is very popular in multiplayer.
@@cezarmagicchess3665 multilayer is a whole different ballgame. 4-8 archers is the ideal number in campaign. The AI is not the best at effectively using its cavalry.
@GeraltofRivia22 I agree with you in campaign.
That was a cool battle, fun to watch. Thanks Legend.
ive been playing shogun 2 since its launch and this is by far the most big brain play ive ever seen using the barricades
Wow I have 650+ hrs in this game and I didn't know until know that ashigaru can run in yari wall hahah. Also this tactics was new to me, so it was very cool to watch this battle :)
Imagine the enemy walking up to this and being like "Okay yeah I see what they've got going on here! We should definitely walk into that!"
What a title, what a thumbnail, what a channel.
historical games rules! great video too legend.
And just like that, the Barricade Yari Wall was born. And that's why this channel is called "LegendOfTotalWar"
Imagine if skavenslave spears had the yari wall ability 😁
imagine if warhammer units had formations in general
Tightly packed infantry in warhammer is just fodder for artillery and magic lol
Look up the “unit formation ultimate” mod. Lot of units start punching above their weight but oh god do aoe spells and anti-infantry artillery hurt. Corse that’s what cheese is for.
@@qwerasdf-oy6uo you could just give them magic res in formation as dwarfs do use runes to blunt magic.
Warhammer is geared to much into stats and point and click spells over tactics.
It has gotten worse since then.
But there's a few mods which help with that.
I'm new to Total War having only played Warhammers and Rome Remastered, so this is really interesting to see all the historical titles and how they played.
I can see why people really love this game, the music and battles were quality
You are on fire with these SYDC vids and I am all for it!
This feels like a real army tactic that the Japanese would use. A bunch of sturdy field walls that the enemy commander is too dumb to figure out a way to get around. Would go in the history books for sure as one of those truly pivotal battles for sure!
Takeda....
Loving the shogun 2 content been getting back into the game because of you
Romans were known to build forts very quickly sometimes even while under enemy fire. Legionnaires holding the line while auxiliaries did the construction. It must’ve been so infuriating for the enemy to have their plans for open field battle upended like that. Caesar famously took part in a double siege. He besieged a walled settlement in Gaul, erected a second wall around it to contain and strangle the enemy and then got besieged himself by enemy’s reinforcements. So in the end this is also a very historically accurate tactic, albeit game makes it seem kinda exploity.
I watched a whole documentary on how they did that, they basically invented Ikea a couple of thousand years before the Swedes.
Love seeing Ledge doing older TW stuff again
I'm surprised you still remember all the cheese there is for every particular Total War, especially because some things work in the opposite way in one game or the other. Always honoring the TH-cam name lol.
Field battle... legend builds a bungalow
Battles like this prove why you're the Legend
0:50 So you're saying we should rely on... a staunch line of spears?
God this was nostalgic to suddenly see on my front page. Haven't played the game since 2012
Still looks beautiful.
this is straight out of a Bollywood movie type tactic and i love it
Archer spam is definitely viable though, especially as Chosokabe.
Harder on higher battle difficulties though- at some point you come across a army simply too big, and it falls apart.
Deployable defenses can be ridiculously OP when used correctly. Nicely done
I always used stand and fight on capture point in siege defense, just to show the enemy how chad I am. LOL.
😂😂😂
If there is no enemy nearby your general while using stand and fight, he literally sits on a chair like a badass
historical spear units: end of an empire, linchpin of strategies
Warhammer spear units: dies to the unit it's supposed to counter
I would call this cheezy but Caesar proved how effective instant fortifications can be.
Warhammer 3 Legend: we corner camp with cavalry.
Shogun 2 Legend: you are like little baby. Watch this.
*Corner camps in the middle of a map.*
bro is making his mouse work overtime
If there is cheese, legend will sniff it out
I've only found this game playable with Darthmod Slow Mode. It might even be the best battles I've seen since the Roma Surrectum Slow Mode on the original Rome. It gives the units actually plausible survivability so you can (or have to more like) pull off tactical moves to actually do damage. Especially effective to keep some elite troops in reserve and put them to use once the enemy is exhausted.
Nothing more satisfying than using terrain and tactical reserves to defeat a much larger force, something that really isn't possible when 70% of both armies are dead within 2 and a half minutes.
It also captures that aspect where the majority of casualties come from routes, which makes it more standard that the winning force is still a viable force to go to a second battle immediately even if it was a 4k v 4k situation
"Be unflankable" - Legend of Total War
I gotta disagree on Missile Infantry here. While the AI gets an accuracy bonus, the Chosokabe version of the bow infantry is still as strong or slightly stronger than the AI and he should definitely focus on getting the bow warrior monks and build his armies around them.
Cavalry is overall too vulnerable to be effective but I don't know if this holds up with the Takeda version.
Therapist: Skaven tactics aren't in Shogun 2, they can't hurt you.
Skaven tactics in Shogun 2:
I would always forget about the ability to create portable cover. I’ll never forget it now though.
I started playing Shogun 2 for the first time a few days ago and I have a question about managing finances.
I'm new to Shogun but not to Total War - I played all Total Wars from the original Shogun up to Empire for hundreds of hours when they came out and I can safely say I've mastered them (except for Empire, only played about 7-8 campaigns).
I'm also playing as Chosokabe, 50 turns into the game I have 12 provinces (all peacefully occupied) and I'm only able to support a bit more than 2 full stacks while barely keeping my income in the black. When I had 6-7 provinces and virtually no income all surrounding clans with fewer provinces had a higher power rating than me and their provinces were more developed than mine. In the beginning I was trying to develop my provinces but when everyone started declaring war on me I had to scrap that and pump out troops so basically I haven't constructed a single building in more than 10 turns. I know that AI in TW games gets "invisible" bonuses (although I don't know the details in Shogun 2) so I'm wondering is this a "normal" game or am I doing something wrong? How much does trade matter? I can't trade with anyone because I'm on an island and apparently no other clan has port capacity to trade with me. I'm asking because the guy in the video seems to be doing much better financially. Playing on Hard difficulty btw.
Trade matters a LOT in Shogun 2 actually. The trick is to hold onto key resources with your trade ships stationed at the little icons on the map out at sea. Defend those points with your navy to get access to specific trade goods that generate extra incom and also other clans will want to trade with you for the goods, so you'll generate a lot more income from trade deals on top of that. The trick of course is to make those deals with clans you pose no immediate threat to, which if I recall correctly, for the Chokosabe should be clans all the way on the other side of the map, like the Date clan.
Of course, if I also recall correctly the Chokosabe are the Christian clan right? Or are they the ones on the little island? I think they get diplo penalties as a result of that, so you may have some issues there to overcome (usually by paying some tributes for a while to butter up a clan so they'll eventually sign a deal so you have more seasonal income). Just remember that in Shogun 2, once you get too big it starts an end game condition called Realm Divide, which makes every clan on the map increasingly hate you so they'll all form alliances against you and try to defeat you collectively. You won't have to worry about that though until you have roughly 1/3rd of the map though on Hard though (I think it's 50% on normal and goes down in percentage with each difficulty level you go up, so it might be 40% on hard and 30% on Very Hard, I'm not sure) unless you take Kyoto, then it triggers immediately.
But don't let anyone else tell you that diplomacy or trade deals don't matter in Shogun 2. I won my very first campaign in that game becoming a trade master and used that income to fund my growth with province income mostly taking care of upkeep, by having like 10-15 active trade deals for most of the mid-game by trading with all the little tiny clans that have one or two provinces and only one or two big ones. Even more importantly the accruing diplo bonuses that came from the many years of trade with so many clans meant that when Realm Divide triggered, it didn't immediately cause every clan to turn on me, as the system adds on a growing diplo penalty that does max out after a few turns and can take a while to burn through accrued positive diplo points with a clan. Which in turn let me use that time to take out enemy clans one by one rather than facing everyone else at once. So I speak from experience when I say this is a viable strategy.
All of that said, you probably don't need that many stacks in Shogun 2 anyway. At least not if you focus on taking one side of the map first. Japan itself is rather narrow, and once you have established a line of secured provinces on one end or the other you really only need two stacks moving along the length of the country taking new provinces. One for the north, and one for the south, as you move lengthwise along the country. This is fairly easy for certain clans to focus on that start near either end, but it's a nightmare and can't be done terribly well if you play as one of the clans more in the center of the map like the Oda or the Tokugawa.
Switch your taxation rate to max every second turn and drop it back to where your provinces are no longer red in between to maximise your income without suffering rebellions. Don't be lured in by fancy expensive units. Crapstacks of Yari Ashigaru are overpowered for their cost. They can do a lot of work on their own, or you can use them to reinforce your specialist armies or even just each other. You'll be able to get more done than your enemies with all these stacks and maintain a koku advantage as well.
get metsuke with high "overseeing settlements" skill to sit in your richest settlements, they will increase the effective tax rate and get you a lot of cash. Capture trade nodes and make trade deals, build ports to expand your trade capacity. Put markets and sake dens in your cities to make money. You can also leave a faction with just one castle and bully them for money every few turns, siege them and demand money in exchange for peace, rinse and repeat
You can just press ctrl+g, or maybe g again to unlock/lock, don't have to to click the button.
This is some Three Kingdoms Stone Labyrinth level shenanigans
This is why you're called Legend.
that is impressive use of mechanics, giving those enemy samurai a taste of thermopile
How about do the exact same thing but make those corridors twice as long?
is this modded warhammer 3?
Yes
playing as nippon
@@LegendofTotalWar cathay is looking weird these days
Legend was quite lucky the AI didn't have pit of shades
did it look bether???
You have heard of the yari wall
Now you face a power much older and darker
The yari cube
I've never seen a total war battle that has made me so angry and happy at the same time 😂😂😂
I started playing total war because I love strategy and tactics. I wanted to emulate famous battle strategies used by legendary generals. Instead, I've mastered turtles and other cheese strategies that only work against brain dead AI lmao.
fucking glad to see you putting out content again... RL is a thing and when one needs a break the need a break... im just glad your back
man this game is perfect, this game is eternal.
I once had almost a whole army retreat through my yari wall. One unit of spears had literally over a thousand kills.
This is what Sun Tzu was talking about
Thanks!
Nothing to see here - Just another ordinary day of being a legend
legend you're truly a ken sai, a real battle genius
A simple trick to get Stand and Fight where you want them is to first dismount the general before using it. He will deploy where he is standing but either way, I don't see it as feasible in this battle anyway
For chosokabe this is the way to go while we sit on our throne of arrows
I have played this game since day 1 and never knew you could run in yari wall as long as you do not click an attack order. Too bad CA took out a lot of tactics in their modern games.
When you thought you've seen everything from Legend, he pulls this off... LOL
"Instead I want my general running around and charging into their rears" Legend of TW :-D
PS: splendid tactics!
Playing Takeda for the first time and your initial Daimyo starts with Fear. So much fun running around and routing units. My other starting general's first level up got him the Sword of Ameratsu as the items/retainers choice, so he also causes Fear. It's amazing.
Legend's brain actually requires extensive study
The Cheese God is in Shogun II now.
Question: could the same maneuver have been done using Yari Ashigaru in a spear/pike square formation(IE no barricades)?
Holy shit. I have been playing for 10 years. I did not know you could get them to run in yari wall.
i am playing shogun 2 fall of the samurai now, i love this game. I bought it 8 years ago and never played it. I installed a mod that adds 3 morale to all units, it really makes it more fun. it's called "More Morale" on steam workshop lol.
"Hehee, we are going to use deployeable walls to really screw over the enemy's pathfinding" - Legend of Total War
"Wait, why are my units confused about pathfinding in these barricades?" - Also Legend of Total War
That's some Caesar level tactics right there
Damn that's some 300 iq battle from legend!