Alien Cov. Deleted Scene Explains How David Created Xenomorphs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มี.ค. 2019
- After watching Alien Covenant, many of us wondered if David is the actual creator of xenomorphs and how he was able to make xenomorphs eggs. There are a few different opinions and theories on this topic, but today was we’ll cover one deleted scene and a passage from Alien Covenant novel that explain the origins of the eggs and the alien creature that David brought to life.
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The novelization gives us really important information about the eggs, similarly, the deleted sequence has a huge detail relating to the cup used by the Engineer to seed life on Earth.
The novelization is a written version of the film with way more information than a script, everything is described in great detail. For the most part it’s exactly the same as the film but there are a few important things that were not included in the movie. The deleted scene is also in the novel but the visuals and the object that we see on the screen lead to a theory of how David succeeded in his experiments.
This part is not in the deleted scene or anywhere else, you can only get it if you read the novelization, which kinda weird because not only it clarifies the origin of the eggs but also because it makes a huge difference for Alien franchise continuity.
It the novel, when Oram is in the David’s lab, David shows him an egg laying on his a table, which means that it’s smaller than the eggs in his underground room. It’s described that this egg was not just another specimen in his collection, but a very special and unique object that David honored. It’s also described to have a facehuger like creature inside of it, so it’s clear that this was the original xenomorphs egg the same one as in Alien 1979. David then explains that for his lab, he was trying to use everything he could salvage from the crashed juggernaut and the Engineer city including this egg. He then explains that the egg was aggressive to the point that he decided to neutralize it so that it was no longer alive.
David also referred to the egg as the true survivor, so from this passage we learn that David found the original xenomorph egg either in the Engineer city or on the crashed juggernaut, which is far more likely. As I talked in my other video, the Prometheus draft explains that the ships on LV 223 had “planet seeders”, which I assume are xenomorphs eggs, we’ll get back to this a bit later.
David explains to Oram that he simply found this egg as an example of Engineer perfection and the egg inspired him to create something in the image of it, which are these big almost human size eggs.
So that’s a really important detail that was left out from the movie, because it means that the eggs in Alien 1979 were not created by David suggesting that the origins of the eggs is still a mystery. It also means that the xenomorphs type that David created - protomorphs - are a completely different branch of aliens separate from the other ones that we’ve seen in Alien movies and they’re not an intermediate step to bio mechanical design of the original xenomorph.
The Engineer needed to drink this substance in order to achieve proper mutation. This means that the liquid inside the cup was crucial in creating a new life form.
About a year ago, I found Prometheus draft script which gives a really detailed explanation about the cup and the gold ish substance inside. According to the draft script, the substance that the engineer drinks is the blood of the first deacon, a creature that gave life to Engineers. In the script they were apparently using its blood to seed life on other planets. I go in much more details about the first deacon and its connection to engineers in my other video on the draft script so you should check it out if you haven’t seen it yet.
Not many people know that this cup appears the second time in Prometheus inside the temple with pathogen urns These few shots are only included in the trailer, before the movie came out in theaters they replaced the cup with this green crystal which is not related to anything in the movie.
Surprisingly David seem to use almost the same cup in Alien covenant, which can explain how he was able to “create” his own protomorph eggs. In the deleted scene, David leads Oram to the underground room, just before entering,
This cup looks extremely similar to the one that the sacrifice engineer used at the beginning of Prometheus and also to the cup that we saw in the trailer. They don’t look exactly the same but there is definitely a great similarity which I don’t believe happened by chance, almost like it
The theory is that just like David found the original xenomorph egg on the engineer ship, he probably recovered this mysterious cup, that was in the temple on LV 223.
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I am pretty sure my mother-in-law uses a similar recipe of the “black goo” in her enchiladas because you can feel it changing your insides? I will kkeep ya’ll updated?
Yup. A Xenomorph is gonna burst out of your a$$. 🌚
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Same as in David's bowl, the holy mole
I know it’s not everyone one’s cup of tea but I enjoyed Alien Covenant.
I love origin type stories. Sometimes they aren't as exciting or as well written as the original, but to me, getting the back story is worth it, and has a value all it's own. I really hope they finish the pre-story arc.
I was all for a prequel, but it seems to me that Ridley Scott is just trying to tear apart all ideas introduced by other creators and rewrite the rules of the franchise.
I can respect that others do like this film, but personally I feel that it disrespects fans who have connected with the sequels and extended universe materials - I wouldn't be surprised if Scott outright rejected the idea of the Xenomorph borrowing traits from hosts, which I personally think is one of the scariest and coolest things about the organism.
Sorry, went off on a tangent.
The battle at the end on the outside of the ship was absolutely awful, a cartoonish cheap ending.
I did also.
@Tony 2 Toes because the way it was advertised Alien fans had every right to except Xenos. But claiming people didn’t like it simply because no Xenos is not accurate. It would be different if Scott delivered a great film. I think many fans were very interested in the ideas & themes presented with Engineers, but the execution was not worthy of expectations for Scott returning to Alien! I was excited to learn about the Engineers, but neither prequel delivered IMO.
There are many comments under your videos where people writing that you talk slowly. But I like it because I love Alien franchise and learn English. Your talking speed is ideal for me, I understand all what you are saying. Thank you for videos!
Agree.... And IF it does bother certain people; change the playback speed. Simple solution. That's all they have to do
idk why important scenes like this would get deleted from the movies. it always seems like scenes that are deleted from movies are always something that should be in them
There are many reasons why scenes get deleated. And it's not always due to the story. In Aliens for example severel scenes have been deleated for the theatrical realease because the movie was already considered pretty long and the studio feared it would be too much. Something which happens quite often.
Another reason is often pacing. A scene might look good in the script and it might be good as individual scene. But once you see it in the raw uncut version of the movie, it changes the whole pacing and tone of the movie. Like imagine someone says they will have a ship coming down in 2 hours but all the scenes give you a feeling like the crew has been on the planet for a whole day due to the amount of scenes. I guess only the director and studio can really explain why scenes are cut. And because we don't know all the reasons it might seem strange to us.
@@CrniWuk I understand why scenes are deleted... often the reasons for deletion are completely valid (as you have pointed out)... But the actual question was, why do IMPORTANT scenes get deleted? And, I would add: "And not replaced by scenes that could help the audience make sense out of the movie (without breaking the flow)?
I believe that the movie was greatly diminished by leaving these scenes out regardless of "flow" or "duration".
I'm no "expert", but I do know what I like.... and am not alone in my opinion... and... It is possible for studios (producers, directors, and editors) to make mistakes...
@@pheresy1367 I don't know. That's my point. Besides, I found those movies so badly written, I doubt those extra scenes would have changed anything in the end. Not by much. But that's my personal opinion.
@@CrniWuk Fair enough... :-)
If you pay close attention to the mural in Prometheus, you will see a xenomorph (the creature that gives life to engineers). I definitely support the idea that the engineers already made their version and David has his own, and that they were possibly the first creatures but just a different evolution of them.
Always liked the theory the engineers were seeding planets and using the bioweapon to then harvest that planet to collect dna
wait, how does the xenomorph give life to the engineers? I thought it was the other way around
The mural is of a Deacon not a xenomorph.
To me, that is the only explanation for what we saw in alien. The engineer was fossilized - that takes a LONG time, more than a few hundred years.
David effectively reverse-engineered the xenomorph lifecycle.
Wait what? You’re saying xenomorphs created the engineers? I thought the engineers made them?
Ive always been of the mind that the Xenomorphs David created were an off shoot of a creature that had already existed. Clearly a Xenomorph type creature was around prior to Prometheus as is depticted on the Mural.
The true Deacon that the engineers ran into, that Deacon impregnated one of the engineers and created the deacon version that is being worshipped in the mural on the wall in Prometheus by the engineers, somehow David put this all together and modified the eggs to create his version of Killer Xenomorphs to kill off all the engineers.
@@vinodchhabria8738 also the engineers may have made improvements to their "aliens".
More like "What the F is this garbage"" Does anyone care. ?? Ridley Scott lost his mind and the writers circle jerked him like they did Lucas on Episode 1,2 and 3. ....I can see the meetings now "YES Sir....yyyyeeeeeessss , great idea.....Yeeesssss,.....brilliant Ridley.......OH !...yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss............yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.......OH yes......"
@@dcb1138 someone's hurt
@@MikeHunt-lz2hq nope...Just that the "Yes sir" attitude makes nothing good. Ever been in a business meeting where 8 employees "YES" up a boss....uggggh
would love to see david so proud of his protomorphs, then a true, ancient xenomorph appears and rips the proto to bits. Then david realizes that his perfect creation is vastly inferior, just how he saw humans.
i would like a approach that there cant be a perfect organism , it just depends on the goal and the enviroment
yess and then he thinks he can have a bond with it but ends up being absolutely demolished by the xenomorph
I like the second half of your idea. I kinda like the protomorph. it's like a sleeker, faster, more animal-like xeno. I kinda like the white skin-morphs bois too
@BIG HUNGRY oh hell yes, I've always thought what would happen if an Android was impregnated... You may be on to something... probably not but damn, it sounds cool.
@@lXlElevatorlXl It's all nonsense.
Thanks for clarifying this for some people. After reading the book, I understood it as David was merely copying something that the Engineers had already perfected. I feel like that explains why David was so visibly disappointed when Daniels and Tennessee defeated his Xenomorph, because he knew he hadn't succeeded after all. I just hate that certain decisions in these movies muddy the over all story for most of the fan base who only watch the movies. There aren't as many ravenous fans like us who read everything we can and put the pieces together as there are general viewers. I love your videos, keep it up! (Oh, and having David rub that stuff under his lip, at least from the book, made me think it was to attract his facehugger to Oram's face.)
Wow, this actually makes a lot of sense. It’s actually been my headcanon that David just made his own Xenomorph rather than the first Xenomorph, so it’s good to know that I was right. Thanks for clearing things up!
Very wise, you is.
HaHa "headcanon" nice dude 😎!!
Obviously David didn’t invent xenomorphs overwise avp 1 and 2 wouldn’t make sense
@@harleyjordan5365 Well officially the Alien vs Predator series aren't considered canon.
@@JCTiggs1 they’re considered canon in the Predator universe but not the Alien one it’s weird
I really hope there will be another alien movie that has the same or better standard as Prometheus.
Philip Kollberg seldom ever properly appreciated I just wish they could’ve kept the story going mahn there was so much to build off of
I like it, but the franchise has really fallen on it's arse after Covenant
The Roo agreed sadly Ridley felt like he had to make a film closer to the og alien franchise which is such a shame, he gutted literally everything from Prometheus to the point of no return for the franchise 😤😓
@@aflacg Prometheus should of been the fresh start it was intended to be
The Roo could’ve been a masterpiece !now I hear that awakening is just gonna be turned into a show, so it’ll probably just be an empty shell of a story they had, but my hopes are up still I’m really hoping they can get some fresh eyes on it and deliver something that can atleast spit on the train wreck covenant was, and was I the only one who was extremely disappointed that they killed Shaw off that chick was a total badass and had the chops to act the shit outa that movie 🎥😪 wastes potential kills me
Considering how prometheus and covenant always felt like the main focus was the AI in David rather than the Alien Ridley Scott's "Raised by Wolves" with hindsight feels like the project he was wanting to make all along.
Great video, I always figure that The Engineers found the xenomorph prime, took a couple eggs, tweaked them because that’s they do, then David found their research and labs and created his own version of xenomorphs since it’s canon that there are sub-species of the Xenomorphs.
Your videos on this universe always further my interest in it. Thank you for this brain wrinkling brain candy.
Agreed.
Me too!!!
Brain candy. Perfectly describes this chan
They call him Bruce.
Nice
Finally you are back!
he took a break cus he felt like his speaking went over .75 of the average humans speaking speed, so he had to slow down for a few weeks.
I really like that, it keeps the mystery of where the original Alien origins are from.
David just simply took inspiration of it to make more and in his own style with the minimum he had.
www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45213
Yes! Thank you Kroft! David is not the creator. I want the last film in this trilogy to show how the Aliens we saw in the original are far superior to David's, that he is less, that he discovers he is not as clever as the Engineers. His character must fail and at the point of failure he should recognise this fault in himself. This would be a great rebalance, to point out that none of us should meddle with nature, whether we are Engineers, humans or androids. The Alien must stand as a mystery to some degree and we must be left fearing it. Half of fear is the mystery. As a storyteller I wonder if Ridley Scott has forgotten this? In the original Alien film I was terrified of the creature I hardly saw. Even now having watched it many times I still feel terrified on behalf of the crew, they don't know what is coming for them, that terror is hidden. Some clues are fine but the mystique should remain.
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Lovecraft and the fear of the unknown..
The cup you are referring to in the movie and novelization actually contains a substance that David tricks Oram to putting on his face to "mask the smell" of the egg room, but in reality it is something that makes Oram less aware of his surroundings so David can lure him into his trap.
Euphoria buddha
EXACTLY...David did NOT create "THE" Xeno. He was only trying to replicate what the Engy's did, and to try and control them.
This was something that was rewritten strangly around the time disney got their claws sighted on fox... Predator got rewrites too, adding stuff to tie in avp. I belive disney wishes to cash in on that avp clout and this means something new is coming good or bad
Im guessing a buildup to an avp version of earth war
As for the predators having a different breed of alien, this makes sense for the apearance of the hunted breed. The avp aliens differ in apearance slightly, just the way youd expect two genetic offshoots of a species to differ from each other. We are likley to find out that ripley wipes the breed she fights out, like in the current canon, and we see avp aliens in avp. This will be because having two aliens around wouldnt work two breeds. We know from the red hive from the comics and the k series (yellow aliens) from avp extinction that the aliens will attack another breed, even if the difference is only chitin pigmentation. It would be a pointless showdown, one which the avp aliens would likley win given that some drones have been shown to fight with yatuja and even kill two
What the fuck is an engy
nathanexplosionn I think he means engineers
Your research skills are phenomenal! Always look forward to watching your updates. Thanks!
That was a fantastic explanation Kroft! Thanks for putting the thought to it which you did.
Some news came out recently on alien covenant. There was an interview with one of the concept artists and he talks about Shaw originally being in the movie and concept designs for engineers and monsters. You should do a video on it
The very fact that there's a Xenomorph-esque creature depicted in a mural in Prometheus surely shows that David didn't create them 🤔
Jesus Christ i hope so there is no Timeloop in there too.
He brought them back to life basically
That is only the deacon. I think what he is talking about here is the xenomorph drone from the original movie.
That's the deacon. Not a Xenomorph.
more like he reverse-engineer back to create the xenomorph on his own
PS: an i heard Ridley say in an interview last year, that he likes stories where theres some key mystery thats left in audiences mind to dwell upon.
Even if its not in the script - he adds a scene or two to create some doubt.
Thank you so much for this! It puts so much together! Love your videos.
Good to see your back my vaguely accented friend. Great video!
David was trying to make a Frankenstein bride from Shaw,he studied creating lower species gaining necessary knowledge so he could create her in his own image, but organically
alright this showed up in my recommendations and for once thank you TH-cam. this is great work man and def earned a sub these details about the alien universe were all i needed.
Fantastic TH-cam channel! So glad I stumbled on it. Please keep deep-diving and *growing* the Aliens stories. It’s the only way for us to keep it alive.
(And, “the only way to know for sure..” 😉)
Thanks for not making this an April fools video, im sick of that joke lol
The eeirie music plus your explanation gives my imagination some spark and belief in the mystic realms that might possibly surround us....
Keep up Gods work man !
Subbed earlier but commenting now.
Do you know what the music is?
Welcome back Kroft! Thanks for the upload and theories.
I really love your voice. Idk why, I just find it very soothing. It helps mitigate some of the horror of the subject matter you’re covering! Creepy stuff! Love your vids.
I definitely recommend the audiobook Alien: Covenant. The narrator Tom Taylorson did a good job of reading it.
He's not the creator, Aliens existed long before he and Humans were made. The Alien Statue in Prometheus proves this along with the Alien Mural
There is no alien statue sorry
Yeah, didn't the predators hunt the aliens on an ancient Earth?
@Jotaro97 Well, it doesn't necessarily contradict Prometheus or Alien: Covenant, so it might as well be.
Pro Bot It’s not canon. Because it doesn’t contradict doesn’t mean anything. AVP is just a crossover spin-off, nothing more, nothing less.
@@chandlerapplegate9680 ikr
i really enjoy your videos , you have thought of things i never did / could. When i watched the films i was puzzled by a lot of it and your analisis has really helped me.
Glad to hear your going to post more videos. Looking forward to it.
I hope the Disney-Yutani corporation realizes the next movie very soon
Love your Video's Kroft, keep up the good work brother.
amazing vid, thanks for all the info! makes much more sense now!
Big fan of your channel!!! Keep up the great work.
Long time man long time but I'm glad you uploaded this video ☺️😚
I think you are spot on with this. Love your video's keep up the good work!
Video's what?
Pretty good theory about the cup. It makes sense. The idea of having different versions of the alien does too. Nice video
perfect timing i just saw this when you uploaded it
Thank you so much for such detailed explanation!
I understand why hardcore fans of the original films want to keep the aliens mysterious… but I adore the Prometheus/Covenant back story it’s so complicated and illustrates how god complexes and narcissism can be incredibly destructive.
makes me sad that the final part got cancelled by Disney
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No wonder.
@@arinaina4262 I know
I agree, i luv Prometheus but Covenant dropped the ball for me. I luv the first half of that movie, but after that it's too cliched. The discussion between David and Walter is great, but the rest in that latter part was tiresome.
I disagree. While Fassbender did a great job with the role, he was the only really good thing in an otherwise convoluted mess of a plot with absurd decisions made by supposedly "intelligent" people for the sake of furthering the story.
Excellent video. I was always of the opinion that David was creating his own spin on something that already existed and this video adds meat to the bones of that theory. Thank you.
Kroft love all your alien vids, your voice and music is epic. I’m starving for some new ones!
As early as Alien 3 it has been established that aliens take characteristics from their hosts. The deacon, being spawned from an engineer, may still be a full-blown xenomorph that would also look like every other xenomorph we know, had it spawned from a human. Although the facehugger that did the "space raping" was a little weird, too (as was its creation). For all we know it's basic DNA could still be all but identical to the xenomorph/facehugger/egg/queen from the old movies. Contra?
In the end it will be whatever the hell they make it up to be. Ridley doesn't like that the studio is sharing all these deleted and extended scenes, because it limits what the writers can conjure up in sequels if they have to consider what viewers consider canon from the extended scenes.
Kroft, your analysis is truly excellent! I enjoy your content very much. I'm glad you are back...you had me worried there for a while.
You said exactly, word for word, what I was thinking! You rock!
Thank you for doing these videos. I became a fan of the movies only after learning about David from your videos
The deleted scene being kept in the actual movie would've helped a bit.
During David's testing and experimentation he found that the black goo, which is an evolutionary accelerant, had a profound reaction when combined with human DNA. Humans and engineers share DNA so that would explain the scene of the xeno in the mural in Prometheus showing that engineers were well aware of the xenomorph.
This theory makes little sense as well, no one knows anything, even Scott doesnt know, so its just a bunch of wild ideas for now.
The mural depicted a deacon.
Was really frustrated with Covenant when i first saw it but I've since found it really re-watchable and now think it's really underrated
Great you're back! Missed you talking
Man your videos are entertaining to watch and listen! make more dude! :D the atlantis theme and the narration works wonders with alien, maybe you could expand more into the lore of the series? I'd love to see your take on the entire chronology and to what conclusion it is leading humanity in the show to? Will they find a mother deacon? Does Goliath appear to take on David? Is there a moment when we discover the purpose of the xenomorphs, the predators? Do you think there will be more engineers in the future films?
thank's god for this explanation, i never accepted the idea of david has the creator of the xenos, thank you from the bottom of my heart
Animo gelido it’s still bullshit. Prometheus and Covenant stay non-canon.
Why not. It’s not that bad of a concept is it. It’s better than them just existing being that perfect of a hunting species for no reason lol
Thank you for the alien content I missed listening to them.
Great stuff as always! This was new! Thanks! Been checking your channel every while... :]
Good to see you back.hope we'll have a new Alien movie to talk about soon
The novelization was perfect. David and the details about Engineers were my only favorite things about the book.
He had many alien ships from LV-223. Then the colony ship with embrios. It was possible for him to distribute many ships full of eggs in the universe so that his creation survives. That's what they find in Alien 1.
Like always , great video , good job .
Awesome Work! Keep it up !!
Love this channel
Thank you bro!
I wish Alien awekaning could realese soon
Bet it ties in avp like the predator did (a peice of a xeno is present in a display case, intended to show that the avp movies are canon)
Dream on fanboy
There is no such movie
jordy plays games that’s never going to happen just look up why ;)
It has already been canceled
According to ProductionList, the next Alien movie is set to begin filming in Budapest, Hungary in early 2023.
The film, which has the working title Alien: Romulus, will apparently begin filming on February 6, 2023. it is being directed by Fede Álvarez, who is best known for directing Don’t Breathe and 2013’s Evil Dead - both of which received positive critical reception upon release.
Good. I hope they won't butcher that one and cut the most important parts from it.
Thank you for all your work Kroft very cool
makes more sense and is what I also thought, unfortunately Ridley saying in interviews that David made the xenomorphs really doesn't help the confusion. I think the fans have more of a clue about the series and lore than he does lol
Hey man!!! good to hear from you!!! Take your time don't worry we will be here!!!
Well done. This is the only good alien channel out there -as its based on canon.
vid liked.
still here 1/2023...my brother an I were "there" in the beginning as kids watching this, it freaked us out! an we've been hooked ever since, I think, the Alien series is an will always be The Best well written an complex stories ever told in Sci-Fi, cant wait to see whats next, if theres a next
Thanx for sharing
I really can't wait for alien Awakening
Would love too see it also but every story I read out here has contradicting endings as to whether Disney is going to bring it off the shelf. Have you read any recent confirmations?...also I'm cringing at the thought of Disney doing this after star wars!
@@jansmith8872 I dont think Disney will screw up Aliens. I feel this is more of a personal thing for R Scott. Star Wars is just a big cash cow.
@@theultimateninja yeh I really do hope so...maybe we'll see how far he's allowed to go with this upcoming Merlin movie...
Me neither...I REALLY want to see it and it would SUCK if Ridely weren't around to complete it....although I could see that happening and Cameron stepping in to direct. I hope not. All the money WASTED on Pred 4 when we could have had Prom 3 instead...
@@jansmith8872 i thought it was owned by FOX
that looped theme in the backround with your hypnotic voice makes me dizzy and sick... tho I appreciate your work :D keep up :)
Digging the channel man! I subbed! 🙌🏻
Thanks again Kroft, great theory. I personally thought the substance he dips his fingers into before entering the egg room is perhaps a sedative for Oram. Making Oram incredibly docile and not aware of the initial threat when entering the room.
One saving grace of the new Alien franchise is that they left so much in mystery that I enjoy going back and exploring that Universe. Thank you Kroft!
Another fantastic essay, sir. 👍
Best alien theory channel on YT!
Welcome back!
Love your stuff, Kroft! While I like the original Alien movie and concept, the subsequent theater cuts in the series have left me cold. The propensity for the editors to cut important scenes that establish continuity have determined that I never go to the theaters to see any of these movies. I just wait for the director's cut to hit the stores, then rent it to see if it's any good. - Additionally, the alien itself, if it truly was as perfectly bio-engineered as its supposed to be, would not be dropping excessive amounts of goo (nee k-Y jelly) from its mouth all over the place. It certainly looks more disgusting, but would probably be wasteful from a biological point of view I would think. I keep hoping that some director/producer/company will eventually clear all this up and produce a better theater experience that would do the concept justice.
same here! while watching the alien spit rivers of slime from its mouth, i was like- it’s gonna dehydrate real quick, why is it doing that
Just subbed to your awesome channel keep up the great work man
Interesting video & the theory was explained nicely...new sub
Man, I love your videos about the alien- and predator universe! The concept of David being the creator of the Xenomorphs really pissed me off, when I saw Alien Covenant the first time! This whole origin thing really got me thinking and I totally agree with what you explain in this video! I believe, that Ridley Scott misled the whole fan base about the Xenomorph's origin. But I really can't tell if this was done intentionally or not! Besides all the facts and hints you examined, I came to realize that there is one obvious reason, why David absolutely CAN'T be the Xenomorph's creator: in Predator 2 we see the skull of a Xenomorph in the space ship's trophy corner! Boom! Evidence, right there!!! Predator 2 takes place somewhere in the 80s or 90s and Covenant in the distant future from today! A time where David was far from being built! Just sayin... : D So my understanding is that David simply created the Protomorph... Can't wait to see how this story continues... Hope they won't mess it up...!
Fishkeeper Austria That Alien skull in Predator 2 was just a easter egg, Alien and predator films are not canon ! Only way these are linked was in the AVP movies . And that has its own timeline and origins etc ,
I think David was largely telling the truth when he told Orem about the purpose of the balm in the cup. IIRC he actually rubbed some of it under his nose because David said the smell of Ammonia was overwhelming.
I think David did concoct something with the balm that would lightly drug Orem into a sense of calm. It does mention in the novel that he felt a sense of well being when he smelled it. Which I think answers the question as to why he would ever stick his face over the Ovum when it opened. He was a bit drugged. I think this is the extent of David's deception on this point. Although your theory does add something to my interpretation of those events. I never though of the cup as the same as the one in Prometheus, maybe it simply proves that David did indeed have the same substance (however he acquired it) and simply repurposed the cup for his calming smelly balm.
Please make more vodeos, I just love the alien franchise!
Keep going!😉👍
Great your found these 'points' in the story. We need the mystery, so the franchise can go on.
I think that having David create the xenomorphs is one of the biggest cop-outs in sci-fi history. It turns a grand Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror about the unknowable immensity of the universe into a sad little story about a little robot who didn't like his daddy.
And what was worse it was made by Ridley Scott who made the first film! Talk about ruining your own creation.
@@aarthoor yep, a complete travesty.
that would be true...except we know for a FACT David did not create the xenomorphs. Did you all just collectively forget the first movie? the one where the engineer ship on LV-426 was carrying all the xenomorph eggs? the ship that's directly mentioned BY THE ENGINEERS in the original script for Prometheus? (y'know, the script draft that everyone claims to have read?)
David didn't create xenomorphs anymore than me planting some grass seed in my front lawn makes me the inventor of grass. did he use the pathogen to make xenomorph variants? absolutely. But he is not the sole creator of their species; we can objectively say he didn't create the xenomorphs from the first movie, and can assume with some confidence he didn't make the ones in the subsequent movies either.
like i swear to god modern movie audiences don't even watch the movie in front of them, they're too stupid to even comprehend what's going on. Listen to yourself, making claims that are DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED by the exact movie you claim to love so much. I will never forgive any of you for shitting on prometheus / covenant and getting awakening cancelled bc you're incapable of absorbing a story any more complex than "this is good guy; good guy shoots bad guy"
@@ghost-iv8gt Er, the video above is titled "Alien Cov. Deleted Scene Explains How David Created Xenomorphs" and the whole plot of "Covenant" is built around how he did it. You are forgetting that "Prometheus" and "Covenant" are set many years, maybe a century, before the "Alien" and both of the newer Ridley Scott movies are basically about David creating the Xenomorphs. I think you need to do a bit more watching and thinking.
@@davidpaylor5666 yes, prometheus and covenant are prequels; doesn't change a damn thing. Again, in the first movie, the Nostromo crew find xenomorphs on a crashed Engineer ship that is stated to AT LEAST be 2000 years old. You're right, the prequels do take place about a 100 years before Alien, but not 2000 years. LMAO, read thru my comment again. David created variants of the xenomorph, he did not invent the xenomorph. there is absolutely ZERO evidence or even allusions to David creating the xenomorphs we first see in Alien. Y'know, cuz they're on a 2000 yr old Engineer ship and not on the covenant ship the David commandeered. Idiot
EDIT: if David invented the xenomorph, how come the Engineers have murals of xenomorphs on their ships? Ships that are millions of years older than David? care to explain?
OK, you want questions? WHILE David lived in engineers' world, how and where did he wash his uniform and clothes, and where did he get nutrients or oil to lubricate his artificial body ? If David ate food with others in Ship, did he go to bathroom to dispose of food inside him? Did they have toilet papers in that planet or bath houses like the Romans did? Where and how did David take baths to keep clean ? How many yrs did he live there?
giuseppe3010 he washed and bathed the same way the other human inhabitants did before David got there. That’s no Mystery. A better question would be, how did Shaw survive so long on the alien ship without food, water for so long.
River, lake, he is silicone, he don't need food. I think that he has something like Ironman's perpetuum mobile. He work on energy not oils and he made energy by himself. But that's just my theory.
@@vudusid9137 wasn't she in crio sleep?
Love this theory!! Hope they listen us about the creation of xenomorphs!
Thank you very much ive been telling my friends that david was creating his own version of the xenomorphs , the original xenomorphs existed from way before . The black mutagen is one scary bio weapon .
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It doesn't necessarily suggest that the eggs in Alien 1979 are a mystery. Those eggs might be the byproduct of David's reverse engineering; we don't know yet because they (the filmmakers/films) have not established the connection between LV426 and Prometheus/Covenant. The LV426 eggs might be the same origin as the source of David's inspiration OR they might be a product of his experimentation. It's impossible to know. Great video though! :)
solid point. The engineers might've been inspired by another alien species when they created the black goo that we know from prometheus; it all might be based on a specimism they discovered and recognized as a perfect organism/weapon.
Very well done friend.
Thank you for your calm and well done Videos. I just love, that there ist more to these movies at second glance. OC a Hollywoodmovie is made for everyone to have fun with it. But these background Infos offer a bit of Art and philosophy to it. The Ideas and thoughts, people had with these movies in the beginning. I always liked Prometheus, because the scale of the Story. Or the way, it created ALOT of Questions. Keep up the good work and sorry for the bad english, but i really like your work. Youre interrested in this and not the klicks.
I really love listening to your thoughts regarding the Aliens/Covenant movies. i do believe too much information was left out. I would have rathered sat through a 3 hour movie, where the storyline made sense then, having a shorter non sensical ? confusing budget based sci fi. What I got out of David in Alien Covenant, was that he wanted to be a God. Obviously, these creatures were hard wired to infect all biological life. However they never killed David because he was obviously a synthetic life form. with this knowledge, he felt like a God. Which brings some of us to this eerie question : could we have been created by A.I. intelligence?
- The original alien is left untouched (David found an egg just like the one in the original movie)
- David modified this egg and created a new type of Xeno
This is so good to hear, and also nice to know all the fan theories were correct about how David never created anything and simply altered the recipe...
Yes agreed.
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Omg thank you so much finally Somone who gets it.
I remember when this was released ppl I worked with hated both movies because it revolved around David creating or as they put it an android creating the xenomorph when infact he didn't he created is own style while on this planet etc yet ppl couldn't see past it and look further.
Anyways I'm so glad I finally found your Chanel and your vids with the script explaining more I just with this info was added to make more sense of the movies rather than having to dig so much to get to the real story
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Just watched Prometheus again. After inserting deleted ideas and dialogue that film was genius and beautiful. Wish they would've followed up on those ideas with Shaw one more film before going down Covenant path. Sad.
The Xenomorphs' origin should always remain a mystery! The fear of the unknown is rooted in this franchise and should remain a main focus for the future movies!
Couldn't agree more the more we know the less scary/fascinating they become , they just become another movie monster.