Revelation 20:12-14 [12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Luke 16:22-25 [22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
@@reclavea Not trying to be condescending or anything, but can you give some scriptures that show purgatory in the Bible? Or is it just a church tradition?
I met a missionary that told us a story when I was growing up at church. He said that he felt called to go to Africa to a particular country and village. When he got there he found out a week prior the chief of the village had a moment where he was looking at the world around them and thought their had to be something bigger. The chief said he through a casual “if there is any higher being out their reveal yourself”. A week later this missionary showed up for no other reason than he felt called deep down to go and didn’t know what to expect. Hey God works in mysterious ways.
@@missk1697 Through Jesus paying for their sins even if during their lives they didn't know him. The question is that once they know who he is and what he did, will they accept him as their saviour?
@@missk1697 The ancient chinese who worshipped the true one God (not idols) and obeyed Him are in heaven thanks to Jesus's sacrifice. Its not that hard to understand doctrine which is clearly seen in Romans 1 and 2.
I disagree with the claim that no one is in hell who doesn’t want to be there. The number of egomaniacal self righteous narcissists who feel no guilt or shame that would find their souls in hell are numerous and they don’t think they deserve to be there and even if they did they would not want to be.
@@bennettdaniel7779you can actually compare it to a sick patient and a doctor, the sick patient is suffering on his sickness and he doesn't want to be sick, yet he keep refusing and Rejecting the doctor to aid him So even tho he doesn't want to get sick he chooses to be still sick because he rejects the one that who can heal him
@@bennettdaniel7779 trash logic i can't imagine a more malevolently arrogant presumption than that of religious people who think, not only that their beliefs are more important than someone else’s, but that they have the right to tell them they are. Irrevocable commitment to any religion is not only intellectual suicide; it is positive unfaith because it closes the mind to any new vision of the world. Faith is, above all, openness - an act of trust in the unknown In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all. Western religions are more concerned with behavior, doctrine, and belief than with any transformation of the way in which we are aware of ourselves and our world. The trouble with many religions, accused of wishful thinking, is that they are not wishful enough. They show a deplorable lack of imagination. The style of God venerated in the church, mosque, or synagogue seems completely different from the style of the natural universe. The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity. We seldom realize, for example that our most private thoughts and emotions are not actually our own. For we think in terms of languages and images which we did not invent, but which were given to us by our society. Many people think that the Bible is the authentic word of God and they worship the Bible, making it an idol.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. - Romans 1:18-23 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. - Romans 2:14-16 The problem is, people understand the basic moral law, and they suppress the knowledge of God.
Doesn’t it also say that God poured out His wrath on Jesus ✝️ HE took the sin of The World! Jesus on The Cross Prayed “ Father forgive them for they know not what they do”! The prayers of The Righteous man are heard and answered Yes and Amen, in Jesus Christ. The prophetic life story of Joseph. 1 suffered so that many would live. We were ALL dead to GOD lost in our Sin. God in Your Judgement remember Mercy 🙏🏻 🕊 All have sinned All need Mercy ✝️
@@P.H.888 it does say that but it also has another thousand pages putting those scriptures into context. Our theology is not formulated on scriptures that fit neatly into our agenda.
I always say the same thing: People don't go to hell because they didn't believe, they go to hell because they're sinners. And everyone definitely has a moral sense, that which we call the conscience
Revelation 20:12-14 [12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
@@hereweare9096 Luke 16:22-25 [22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Ephesians 2:8-11,13 [8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9]Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. [11]Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [13]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
I usually agree with you, but I’m reading the comments and I am reminded personally of when Jesus said that the rich man asked Lazarus to dip his finger in water and to drop the drop of water in his mouth.
People being burned by an all consuming lake of fire don't hold coherent conversations. They would be screaming and choking. That is definitely just a parable.
@@Prepare2Prosper Luke 16:22-25 [22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
@@Prepare2Prosper Revelation 20:12-14 [12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
If they do that, they'd be violating Bytedance's policy and would be removed from the platform, and you know where that company's main branch is based in.
@@SovereignJarodKwan 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?[c] And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. The logic here is you need to believe to be saved. And that means you have to hear the gospel. No Anonymous Christians are possible, at the very least for able-minded people. Otherwise the logic makes no sense.
@@geoffrobinson I think IP gave a pretty straight answer to that in this short video. When presented with the truth after unwilling ignorance, said people will have the choice. For me it's different. There's a difference between believing and knowing. I am the latter and know several that know but still refuse to have faith or believe.
@@SovereignJarodKwan the logic doesn't work. Ignorance doesn't work. Primarily because you still have a conscience and you still sin. The analogy is that you're on a sinking ship. But no life boat until you hear the message.
@@Judge_of_Anubis05 Well, I would hope so! I can't understand why people care more about some entity that has no needs or worries as we do than their fellow human beings. And that leads in to what I was getting at, which is: if God is saddened by those who wind up in Hell, why in the ____ did he allow such a situation to even possibly occur in the first place?
@@wet-read Would you rather be an automaton? Only doing what is deemed right because you can do nothing else? If you had a child are you going to say it's better better off if the kid is never allowed to explore other life frameworks and make thier own choices if the possibility is they won't align with you the parent? If you had a gun put to your head and were told to believe in an ideology you don't believe, your belief in it would mean nothing because you were forced. If you were raised up only being allowed to only know certain belief structures and ethics you wouldn't really understand the value of those things if you never had a chance to learn of another way of life. The kind of life you're looking for is not the paradise you believe it to be, life is pointless in that kind of hypothetical. Loyalty is its own reward meaning I obey not because I have to but because I get to. I was given a choice to choose other walks of life and I chose Him. I am not a puppet of an uncaring master. You acknowledged it yourself by asking why he allows the possibility. You really cannot justify to me or anyone else that God is evil or uncaring if he gives you all this choice along with the full weight of the consequences they bear. Of course this is just the belief in Christianity and even Judaism, but believe and do as you will.
@@Judge_of_Anubis05 Do I want to be an automaton? No, not presently. Would I know the difference between being an automaton and one who can think, reason, and make choices if I was born an automaton? Maybe, but maybe not ("maybe not" seems more plausible to me). Also, for all the banging on about freedom Christians speak of at times, I'm sure most would wonder why a mentally unbalanced person bent on attacking people at random was allowed to be roaming free (like almost anyone would likely wonder). Did he exhibit red flags? Did he talk about wanting to hurt people? Etc. But wouldn't that interfere with the precious freedom we all have; that God alone (apparently) can give or take away? Asking why God allows the possibility extends to any question regarding why God allows sentient beings to exist in the first place, ya know. Would you have children if there was a high likelihood that they would be tortured to death? Let alone all people be so potentially unfortunate? Why do I have to spoon feed this stuff to people? 🤔 It is frustrating!!
It is metaphorical. "Hell" (a word that was not created until the 700's by the way) is also described as "dark" in Scripture. Fire cannot impact a spiritual being. Here's an overview of this verse- Mark 9:48-49 (NIV): Where “‘The worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched." 49 Everyone will be salted with fire. -Jesus was referencing Isaiah 66:24 Isaiah 66:24 (NIV): 24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” -Isaiah was speaking of corpses that were being consumed by maggots and fire. Not the living. -Throughout the Old Testament, “does not die” is used as a phrase, meaning: “something or someone that will not die at that particular time.” Check out the following verses: Genesis 42:20 Exodus 30:20 Jeremiah 38:24. -Isaiah was referring to dead corpses. (The worm will not die until it consumes the entire corpse). -Once the worm completely consumes the corpse, the corpse is gone forever. -Also, the “fire that is not quenched” phrase is a reference to “not being extinguished” or “not put out.” So, this “fire” cannot be stopped from “consuming its fuel.” (Also, look up the following verses for a better understanding): 2 Kings 22:17 Isaiah 34:10 Jeremiah 7:20 Jeremiah 12:27 Ezekiel 20:47.
This video was greatly received, it was the last gap in my (current) understandings and personal moral questions for myself and from others. From dealing with slavery, women's and men's roles, and old testament laws to finally having a semblance of understanding for those who aren't fully convinced and testifying in this life for Jesus and God. I'm feeling complete, selfishly and sinfully for myself but now I feel as if I can set aside my distractions and really just focus on my relationship with God, I probably have been doing that more in the first place. Thank you for helping me so much IP.
@@user-nu3sd7zb2j to clarify my obsessive studying and arguments and debates I kept getting into online was actually preventing my relationship with God. While I was defending God, God did not know me. I am not going to stop studying but I am going to stop obsessing over it and focus more on my relationship with God and reading the actual Bible instead of philosophical arguments from other people.
I don’t believe what he spoke in the video and he misapplied the 3 scriptures of Christ speaking. Which I am willing to address individually, if you will. For JESUS also spoke in Luke 16 of the rich man who died and lifted up his eyes to Abraham and saw the beggar Lazarus afar off. He was in torments but Lazarus was comforted. Then when he couldn’t get help from Lazarus, he asked to have Lazarus sent from the dead to warn his brethren that they don’t end up in the place he was in, proving that when he died he went straight to Hell, while his brother still had a chance to serve GOD. No man has ascended into but the SON of man who came down from heaven as CHRIST himself said in John 3, so Lazarus was and is not in heaven, but he is in the bosom of Abraham and not in torment as the rich man was. Seek God and read his word for yourself and let not any man teach you, not even I myself. For we are also commanded to let God be true and every man a liar. Peace be to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 20:12-14 [12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Matthew 10:28 NLT - “Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
@@iamdigory he says that in hell there is no actual burning, not only is this false but even if it was true, Jesus says that he will cast both hell and death into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophets Luke 16:22-25 [22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
@@iamdigory Revelation 20:12-14 [12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Nothing metaphorically about the fire that burns in hell. Although it is the soul that goes to hell, witnesses have testified that individuals actually do burn in hell with literal fire and souls retain physical sensations of pain but in a much heightened form.
@@forsakenprotector486 i’m pretty sure he’s just talking about highly varied from person to person so therefore unreliable as evidence near death experience’s
@@sharkmansman2085 Revelation 20:12-14 [12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
I somewhat have that take as well. People who love their sin rather than Christ will continue to do so in the afterlife. "...Shall not the judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25). Thank God the Father through Jesus that He is so merciful and kind! ♡♡♡
Love your CS Lewis quote. It's one of my favorites. Another quote of h is that I love is: "In the end there will only be two types of people. Those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'Thy will be done.' All who are in hell have chosen it and without that self same choice there would be no hell."
I hate to say this, but it's true. Jesus didn't go to the Cross and give His life for us so that we could have happier lives here, or to secure our ticket to paradise. He came to deliver us from hell fire and eternal damnation. Every parable that mentions eternal punishment includes a vivid description of hell, including the story of Lazarus and the rich man, wherein we're given a very real picture of very real hell fire. In Revelation we read that "the smoke of their torment rises forever". That's not metaphorical smoke from metaphorical fire. Jesus went through hell in this life so that we wouldn't have to in the next. It's a very slippery slope when you start telling people hell isn't as bad as they've heard.
I was just thinking that. Why send missionaries? Why evangelize if it's safer to actually not say anything, not make anyone aware? Which also makes no sense because the bible says he has made himself plain.
Evangelism means bring the good news, so that is a reason in itself regardless of theology. The idea that having a certain belief saves you from being sent to hell is modern and still to this day the ancient and pre modern Churches do not believe it and they still evangelise.
@@Michael-yr5oq So from your point of view we can commit any kinds of sins rape, murder, sexual sins, blaspheme God and there’s no consequences? There’s no need to lead of holy life and when Jesus is talking about walking the narrow path he was talking about an option? That’s not a warning? There was a man who was an atheist (his testimony is on TH-cam) and he talked about how he saw Jesus and Jesus told him he couldn’t get in. Jesus allowed him to go into Hell before Jesus resurrected him and the guy talks about all the things he saw that aligned with the Bible. Hell is real. People are already in it. There’s a true consequence to sin. Paul clearly talks about it in the scriptures. So did Jesus. Just because some early denominations didn’t believe in it doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. There’s nothing in the Bible that could bring us to the conclusion that it’s fiction. Jesus was giving a true warning and he wanted to save us from it. No one deserves God’s mercy it’s freely given.
@@Michael-yr5oq Good news of what? Go to a people who have never heard of Jesus to tell them the good news that if they believe in Jesus they'll go to heaven but if they reject him now that they've heard of him, they'll go to hell?
Only God truly knows our hearts and only God knows our real personal responsibility. Only God knows whether we "should have known better" concerning some religious doctrine or moral teaching in certain situations of our lives or we were (and worked) simply in error in good faith. "Helping the needy and poor" means compassion and selfless love and that is such a simple thing anyone can implement in his or her life (see about Matthew 25 about the Last Judgement). We can do it wrongly or some distorted way - and I am sure we will be forgotten if we "couldn't have known better". Although I have to note that this "knowledge" (of the "could have known better") might come not only from human sources but from the Holy Spirit's secret work in one's mind and life. Each person at the Last Judgment will clearly know whether he or she rejected God's calling to the truth and to living in selfless love throughout his or her life. Every situation of one's life and deeds will be clear for him or her. The "personal smokescreens" or nicely formulated lies, even self-deceptions will disappear in the shining of God's truth at the Last Judgment. Any human lies will be crushed but there will never be any unjustice or exaggerated severity from God's part, either. Only an honest question: do you want to choose real love or not. And everyone will know by the momentum of his or her former life whether this became the real final aim for him or her or not.
@@_Wakaz_ Thank you! If you are interested in such questions I suggest you read two books from C. S. Lewis and one from Tolkien. C. S. Lewis: The Great Divorce; Till We Have Faces (especially this latter). And Leaf by Niggle from Tolkien.
There are two hells. The first is hades/gehenna. This is where the "bad" souls go now. The second is the lake of fire/eternal death. This one happens after the millennium and the final judgement and lasts for eternity. No longer souls burn there but imperishable bodies which are immortal and cannot die. This is way more serious than we wish it was!!! Of course it's only my personal research over decades of studying the King James 1611 version, it is the closest to the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Also, the Strongs Bible Concordance and Smith's Bible Dictionary. I say not what I wish or believe personally but what the Word says. God bless and be safe. I may disagree but I appreciate this channel.
If ignorance of Jesus was enough to avoid the wrath of God, shouldn't we stop all evangelism? How evil and selfish would it be to risk someone's eternal soul by telling them about Jesus?
This part! I used to believe what IP said but the reality is it didn’t match with the rest of the Bible. I realized that we don’t really know what happens to those who are ignorant of Jesus Christ. Some people who don’t know him will make it, some won’t. At that point only God knows.
His view is unbiblical. God made sure to give enough revelation to everyone, so no one is without excuse. And everyone will be judged according to what they know, and how much they know, and what they did with that knowledge.
@@crossbearer6453 do you know that anybody can take anything out of context and make the Bible say whatever one wants? For example: Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 I hope that someday I will be able to fly. And you know, today I have assurance that I can do it. I've never seen anyone do it, but I'm so convinced right now that I can. So I'm going on top of the building to fly. What? I'm not stupid, I follow exactly what the verse says. Do you see?
I don't think the fire in hell is metaphorical. It has to be literal. A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” Revelation 14:9-11 It clearly states here that those who go to hell will be tormented. It literally says it's a place of Torment. Also God clearly said people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children. Hosea 4:6
@@Zech14 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ Luke 16:24 According to the rich man he said he was in agony in this fire. So he described it as a physical fire.
@@davidmccormick1996 it's a very delicate topic and what IP states lacks absolute support from the scripture. No one knows exact criteria by which someone ends up in hell. Yes, we know the way to salvation is through faith in Jesus, but if we get more specific - there are no given measurable criteria for that.
@@jonascyvas The Bible is fairly clear that going to Hell is a decision left for God, and God alone. Other than that, the Bible depicts Hell in terms of awful things in the physical world, such as Gehenna (the "trash pit"), or being a pit of fire. These are only figurative because we have no basis to suspect that the afterlife abides by any physical laws or material makeup. Why would God take us from a physical existence just to put us into another physical existence, only this second one is crappier, when we already have a non-physcial component that is "eternal?" That just seems arbitrarily convoluted and unlike of Him.
@@jonascyvas False. As long as you don't cherry-pick the Bible, the only possible conclusion you may come to is that the Fire in Hell is metaphorical, and not literal.
@@baldwinthefourth4098 the video was not only about that. And the fire itself - we don't know, there's not enough clear information, so it could be either way.
What an excellent answer! Thank you. I had not understood the scriptures you quote how you explained them before. This also makes it all the more important for us to forgive people in this world. 🙏🙏🙏
*//This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 We will still have free will in heaven. However, our desire, our deepest wish, will be to live in harmony. It will be natural, there will be no cognitive dissonance where we are forced to whip our spirits into shape. Once you get to paradise, you will never again be tempted to leave, because all of the temptors will be destroyed. If you recall the scriptures, even as far back as Moses, God promises to write his law on our hearts so we will not be required to struggle with sinning in heaven, we will be in COMPLETE harmony with ourselves, nature, each other, and God, with nothing weighing us down. As far as creating people, only God knows the answer to that, but I've heard it said that if God knows a certain person will willingly choose to reject him, he could choose not to create that person. But, let's say that person had a child, who DID choose God. If God didn't create the first person out of mercy for them, then he would also not create the second person, which would be depriving them of THEIR free choice and would condemn them to oblivion, especially when they were destined for eternal bliss and joy. I.e if God were to accommodate us like that, he would be depriving us of free will, and by extension, he would be punishing people who would have chosen him.
Ephesians 2:8-11,13 [8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9]Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. [11]Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [13]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Luke 16:22-25 [22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Revelation 20:12-14 [12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Yes . Let God be true and every man a liar.. hell is real. They have no excuse it is written.. stop surprising the truth in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS sinner's. REPENT and be CONVERTED. Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;”
Nobody lacks knowledge. Some people have more, while others have less, but everyone everywhere has knowledge. Knowledge is not what sends anyone to Hell.
Hell is serious business. This is no "eternal sorta bummer." Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Not enough? Jesus said it again. Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
It says in Revelation for those who have taken the "mark of the beast" and worshiped his image, that "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and they have no rest day or night." That DOES NOT sound like annihilationism to me.
@@VicGeorge2K6 */*This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
Hitler is dead but his shame still remains today. You Don't have to be alive to have everlasting shame . And your reading scriptures out of context because you don't know the Bible. " the smoke of their torment lasts forever " this means when you go to the lake of fire you burn " torment " and when you burn anything what is left? The smoke. The smoke from thier burning lasts forever. Not you. Not your soul. Not your conscience. But the smoke of what was you .
How convenient that you only cherry-pick the verses you like to prove your point, but ignore verses like Matthew 22:13, where Jesus describes Hell as "Outer Darkness". Both these descriptions are figure of speech to describe eternal seperation from God. The fire is not literal. Stop painting our Lord as some primitive diety to whom the worst that could happen is physical pain.
So hell isn't really hell, then he confused it with the lake of fire and then everyday gets a chance even if they never hear of Christ thus contradicting Jesus. Great work back pedalling.
Jesus used the fire as a metaphor. What he was referencing was a large pit where they burned trash outside of Jerusalem. He was basically calling your soul trash Hell is being cut off from God. Thats it. Yoh cant work your way out of hell because a trash soul could never understand what it takes to be holy. It's not necessarily eternal torture, but imagine an eternity of aloneness from any divine protection. Every spiritual and physical manipulation gets at you based on your weaknesses Say you end up in hell because God rejected you due to your sexual impropriety. Youd spend an eternity trying to avoid HIV, herpes, monkeypox, and whatever else diseases while having sex with many people who leave you emotionally unfulfilled. You'll believe sex is all that matters but it will destroy your body. That would be closer to hell than being chucked into a lake of fire and being poked by a horned dude with a pitchfork
@@crossbearer6453 Hell is something that gets thrown in to the lake of fire. That is in the Bible. That is the same place I get my knowledge of what happens to sinners after they are judged. So the lake of fire is what is under discussion, not hell. Where do you get the idea that the fire is people's sins? Not from the Bible.
Everyone knows God and everyone knows the name of Jesus. Even those who do not believe in God or know the biblical Jesus, still have no excuse for the Bible says that “the heavens and the earth declare the glory of God so they are not without excuse” Paul also said that the pagans at that time would be judge based off their Conscience. And those who have the law will be judge by the law. Simple. I believe in the flames of hell as well, because of the parable Jesus said when warning about hell of Lazarus the poor man who was in Abraham’s bosom and the rich man who went to hell and he was asking Lazarus to give him a drip of water because it was very hot in hell. Jesus said it’s where the fire never quenches, there will gnashing of teeth and the worm never dies. Don’t pick and choose. Put the whole Bible together.
Not everyone knows the name of Jesus. The people on North Sentinel Island have never even heard of Christianity or even the name "Jesus Christ". What will happen to them?
@@matthewp956 they have the knowledge that creation is all around them. Once again, the heavens and the earth declare the glory of God so that man is without excuse. Not only that they will be judge by their conscience since they do not have the law or the name of Jesus. I’ll have to look up if that is even true because Christians literally go to every part of the world even the lost tribes that try to shoot us with bows and arrows lol. But, they are still without excuse. They will have a fair judgement.
@@noahramirez2185 A very young American went there some years ago, he was arrowed down by the sentinels. His body couldn't be retrieved too considering how the "trespassing" became a worldwide controversial issue. Muslims and Hinduism mocked and cussed the general Christian missionaries for weeks after that incident.
The fact that people of other beliefs so close to your own contradict even the smallest things such as the flames of hell being literal or not blows my mind. Ive never seen such strong belief in ones own OPINIONS while simultaneously neglecting anyone elses beliefs anywhere more than I have religion.
--This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
It refers to knowledge like "knowing someone" instead of "knowing about someone". One is relational the other is not. The israelites perish cuz they dont have relationship with God.
The doors of hell are locked from the inside! 🔥🔥🔥 When people describe hell is a place that no one willing to enter, they are never saw or got a taste of hell on earth.
There are people that have had drug overdoses, attempted suicides that have died for a few minutes and people that claim they where shown by the holy spirit in visions or out of body experiences and they say hell is a literal place and you feel heat and pain
The fire is not metaphorical. It does what fire does. It destroys, completely. In the end the wicked will be no more. No more sin, no more rebellion against God. The traditional view of hell is simply unbiblical.
This view is unbiblical. God will judge people according to the revelation that they have. Those who never heard the gospel have enough evidence of the existence of God.
@@root1657 well, actually I had these passages in mind: The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Psalm 19:1 ...men... by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:18-20 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them Romans 2:14-15
Sounds like setting people up to fail. How is someone going to know who Yahweh or Jesus are without having heard of them? It’s like saying I should know the color blue exists if I’ve never seen it before.
@@ParadiseLordRyu nope, it's all explained in the verses in the comment before yours. The critical detail isn't in knowing his name, it's in doing what you know is right, because it's etched in your heart.
@@ParadiseLordRyu God doesn't judge people for the lack of knowledge. Rather He judges them according to what they knew here, in this world, and what they did with that knowledge, how they responded to it. For example, And that servant who knew his master’s will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. Luke 12:47-48
a rightly divided and understanding kf cumtural context of scripthre. You all are putting a MODERN LENSE on ANCIENT scrilture of coure youre getting it wrong. The fact that all the comments says hes wrong proves to me hes actuslly correct. TH-cam comments are full of what is called the "ignorant fringe" You people have no idea how to rightly divide. You all get ylur theology from random youtube sermins with ZERO studying yoursf. You IGNORE the cultural and historical context and shove your modern sadistic wicked views onto it. ip may not be 100% but he makes good biblical points
There are still people dying from a lack of knowledge and its a shame. Wish those people would learn and understood, but there's a difference between willful ignorance and ignorance not made by that of the individuals. Those who are seeing the truth and have been shown the truth yet still reject it is not doing it from lack of evidence rather the desire to oppose the truth, its a matter of heart not evidence.
@[ o m n i t o n e ] I like most of ip's stuff and think he's a force for good overall. Biblically, I strongly disagree with what ip says in this video, I see it as a theology that aims at even if not intended to appease sinners. If I were to answer this unbeliever, it would be a simple but heartbreaking "yes.".
@@B1bombermadness he made a whole video about his position, which is enough to conclude that he isn't being dishonest and he unironically believes that the bible teaches it. i've noticed that if we read the bible the way modern english speakers do, you could get some verses that seemingly contradict, so i think we will need significant dialogue before anyone concludes because you see both positions in the bible (seemingly upon sub-surface observation)
So I can go to school and have this “lack of knowledge”, not do the assignments and still get an A? This is how my pastor puts it, “the easiest way to go to hell is to just do nothing, don’t do good and don’t do evil, just sit there, don’t evangelize and don’t spread hate, just sit there and do nothing with your ignorance and lack of knowledge”
The road to God isn't a "school". This is a bad metaphor. Your pastor is right. Doing nothing leads to hell. But Christianity isn't comparable to "school". Get that metaphor out of your head.
@@cadenorris4009 I never said that the road to God is a “school”. And I’m for sure not making a comparison of school and Christianity although there are some similarities. I am making a comparison between a person who “lacks the knowledge” of what being a christian is, and a person who “lacks the knowledge” of what being a student is. For example: if you want to be a lawyer, then you have to really love and get close to the law. Study the law, practicing the law, take quizzes/tests or challenge yourself in order to familiarize yourself with the law. You can’t be a high-performing lawyer if you don’t do all of this first. If you want to be a better christian, then you have to really love The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit, the word of God and get close to Him. Accept Jesus, repent from your sins, pray, fast, study His word, obey Him and His word, have faith in Jesus. God allows the trials and tribulations for our faith to be tested 1 Peter 1:7. You can’t be a better christian if you don’t do all of that. But if we lack the knowledge and just go with our ignorance, then how will I become a high-performing lawyer? How will I be a better christian(btw when I say better christian, I don’t mean better then others, I mean better/approved 2 Timothy 2:15 in the eyes of God and no one else’s just to clarify)
It sounds from your comment like your pastor is saying that doing Christian things means you go to heaven. That’s not how that works. Believing on the finished work of Christ means you go to heaven. The rest is just the kind of life you lead based on your response to His finished work. I do believe that you can be in Christ and choose to live a miserable, selfish life and still be with God in glory at the end. You’ll regret it and it’s wasteful but it’s possible. I know people like that. They have very little joy and peace because they can’t embrace the true freedom that’s theirs in God.
@@josephjimorris i need some scripture supporting your response. “Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.” Matthew 16:24 You can’t be in Christ and “choose to live a miserable and selfish life” because that’s not denying yourself. On the contrary, that’s the equivalent of being ignorant and having lack of knowledge. Paul says 1 Corinthians 2:16 “For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.” No one can instruct the mind of the Lord, but He can instruct us christians who have the mind of Christ. If we have the mind of Christ, this means that we have to think like Christ, speak like Christ, and act like Christ. Not miserable, but joyful like Christ, not selfish, but selfless like Christ. I’m not saying be Christ, but make the effort to be like Christ.
Tell the rich man who begged to “have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” 🙄
Matt 10:28 says, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna)."
Those are some wildly unbiblical views you have there, IP. The Bible is crystal clear that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, therefore everyone deserves to go to hell, and each individual person will go to hell, as they rightfully deserve, UNLESS that individual repents of their sin and trusts in Jesus's sacrifice on the cross as attonement for their sin. Absolutely nowhere in the Bible does it teach that when we die we get to decide whether or not we go to heaven. Nowhere. Plenty of places in scripture say that whether we go to heaven or hell is determined by whether or not we accept or reject Jesus and His sacrifice in this life. There are biblical reasons some think that exceptions are made for infants and children due to them not being mentally developed enough to be held accountable for their sin. There is also biblical commentary on those who live their whole lives having never once been exposed to the gospel being judged by a different standard of how they responded to God as is revealed through creation. You absolutely 100% need to get your theology from the Bible, period, full stop. If scholarship seems to think one thing and the Bible itself seems to suggest something else then you had better choose what the Bible teaches every time. I'm not directly accusing you of doing otherwise, but I can't conceive of why you'd hold such clearly unbiblical views of hell and damnation to it otherwise. It's just very clearly not what the Bible teaches.
@@Commandosoap777 From exactly what the tiktoker said, he, the tiktoker, doesn't seem to be referring exclusively to those who have never heard the gospel ever but more broadly, and I'm paraphrasing, 'anyone who doesn't believe exactly what you believe'.
@@Commandosoap777 Also, IP specifically said that he thinks EVERYONE will be given a choice to choose heaven or hell after they die. If he only meant to say those that have never heard the gospel have this option, which itself would be unbiblical, then he didn't carefully say what he meant.
@@Commandosoap777 The tiktoker only said something to the effect of 'those who believe differently than you' and IP said his response about choosing heaven or hell applied to everyone.
@@korisnickoime571 he twists Genesis to read Darwinian evolution into it. He appeals to the Hebrew and potential meanings which he chooses to interpret for himself with eisegesis
@@kidus_1010 You're wrong because Mike Jones doesn't believe in Darwinian Evolution, he believes in Process Structuralism (I'm pretty sure). As for his biblical hermeneutics, Jones gets his views from scholars and what makes most sense. Jones appeals to the cultural background, possible and most probably meaning of the text, and having consistency in his views.
@@storba3860 Ok but then where will those people be before that point? Hell right? If that's the case then those people didn't think they should be in hell and they clearly didn't want to be there. That's not to say their choices didn't lead them to hell. However that text indicates that they did not think they should be punished. That they believe they should be in paradise.
@@gaiusoctavius5935 I’d be defensive too being brainwashed since birth. A nice static, finite world to set yourself apart with little to no effort on your part.
@@svtinker I should start by saying that I didn't become a Christian by being brainwashed; rather, I consciously chose to do so after researching it. Someone who continues to hold onto beliefs such as sky daddy, the zombie savior, and erroneous notions of hell and demons is not likely to comprehend the difficulties involved in questioning ingrained beliefs and ultimately abandoning them in favor of something that is supported by more facts and logic. If that's all you have to say, then God bless you and take the rest of your day as you choose.
@@svtinker That's fascinating. I may have misjudged you, and if I did, I apologize. However, I'd like to know what you mean when you say you're spiritual. Do you mean that you believe in a pantheistic conception of God, or are you more in line with deism, or do you mean something entirely different?
@@stoneybologna1982 The story absolutely is true this is where Jesus went for 3 days to minster to the souls that died pre crucifixion 1 Peter 3:18-19. That's why Jesus told the thief on the cross today you will be with me in paradise. The thief went to Abraham's bosom aka paradise. Which was in hell across the huge gulf. Both sides are in hell torment aka prison on one side. paradise aka Abraham's bosom on the other side.
Whew... As long as we don't go around telling others about God, people might not be in hell not burning (Since it's like a metaphorical burn all theologians agree on).
Thank you for all of the truth of the scriptures that you bring to light. May God continue to bless you and keep you brother. Much love and blessings in Christ Jesus
I believe the fires of hell isn’t actually fire, but it’s the love of God feeling like fire, since we rejected God and God’s love is unconditional, his love with feel painful (like how the orthodox Christian’s believe)
John 3:16-18 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. Romans 1:20-23 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man-and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. I think scripture is pretty clear, no repentance of sin, no Jesus as your Lord, no heaven. It would be blasphemous to suggest otherwise.
There're several problems with the whole 'fire burns physical things, not spiritual'. First, in the resurrection, everyone gets their physical bodies, even those that go into the lake of fire. Second, that's like saying, "photons are absorbed by physical bodies, not spiritual, therefore we cannot see anything in the next life," or, "sound waves vibrate physical ear drums, not spiritual, therefore we cannot hear in the next life," or, "food is digested by a physical stomach, not a spiritual one, therefore we cannot partake of the feast in heaven." If God provides a way for us to see, hear, taste, touch, smell, etc. in heaven, so He surely has provided a fire that burns spiritual bodies. Their smoke goes up forever, so the fire may not be able to destroy them, but it can certainly torment them for all eternity. It's a heavy topic, but the warnings in Scripture must be taken seriously.
“MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” (Hosea 4:6)
1) Jesus revelaed to St Faustina his promise of appearing 3 times to people in their death to say "yes", this includes the ignorant and people who didn't know him fairly (written in St Faustina's diary). Reference below. 2) Purgatory, a place for cleansing the soul of all sin before entering heaven. There are multiple references of this in the bible and through revelation among the saints (reference below). It would make sense as in the old testament noone unclean of sin could come near God. They all got struck to death by his holiness. Ironically, when I searched years back, the Jewish view of hell is similar to Purgatory. 3) Mary and the Rosary. The Rosary involves prayers for the ignorant and the souls in purgatory to be lead to heaven. People's prayers can be used to save others even if those prayers are from the past or future as God is outside of time, he can bring those prayers in the present. St Padre Pio revelaed this to his doctor while he was praying for his long dead grandfather. Mary intercedes at peoples death ("pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death"). As the mother of Jesus, she was created as the loophole to God's Justice, by interceding for souls and convinces her Son to give more mercy and chances. Mary is God's mercy personified (Reference below) Because God is Just, he has ways of judging people based on what was fairly revealed to them and also to those who could not do the right thing impeded by mental illness or brain tumor or even drug abuse forced by the environment. Not to undermine other secs of Christianity, I have only found the clearest answer through Catholic Revelation, very recently. For years, this question was hard to find clear answers even with some of the best apologetics like Frank Turek. Some apologetics even say they won't be saved because that's the purpose of evangelization. For me, the purpose of Evangelization is to spread the God's good news and to revolutionize the world's values especially of loving thy neighbors. Detailed explaination on death as revealed through the Church, Scriptures and Saints (Jesus' promise promise to Faustina @ 27:45 of the video & Intercession of Mary at 54:00): th-cam.com/video/WTyz8T6ehDE/w-d-xo.html Detailed explaination of the purgatory from the Bible and the Saints: th-cam.com/video/U6gjb634Zf4/w-d-xo.html Summary of Purgatory: th-cam.com/video/QLvPSHZhgKU/w-d-xo.html
The scripture cited here means that it makes no rational or moral sense to spread the so-called good news of Jesus and salvation (assuming Christianity to be true for the sake of argument).
Its all answered in Romans 2. Those who by nature do what the law requires will be justified. And obviously they need to worship the one true God, not mute idols. All people have universal revelation of God - aka the creation and their moral law written of their hearts.
I know because I died several times through abuse as a child. The last time was drowning , the spirit was there. Face to face not a dream or vision. When I crossed over , everything my life had been. did NOT!!! cross over. I was freed. No memory of my parents , school , my life to then , nothing. The spirit informs me ... that is forgiveness. They sent me back , but never left me. God said , I will release the captives from hell , and I will abolish death. When I had that experience, the first thing they wanted me to learn and teach, is that there is no such thing as death.
this is also why its safe to assume there will be no young children in hell,as young children lack the ability to comprehend right from wrong comparitively to an adult.
Some say hell fire is literal, others say it is metaphorical. I really don't know myself, but what I do know is the scripture does imply different levels of hell or different degrees of punishments. Would be weird if that was the case yet everyone was burning? Lets just all agree whatever hell is, its a place no one wants to be
God holds everyone accountable just by his creation alone. They don't have lack of knowledge. They just reject God's existence because they love their sin and don't want to give it up. Plain and simple.. Pride
That’s always a wild one to me though. “People aren’t condemned to hell for a lack of knowledge.” So is it better for people to stop talking about Jesus?
There are thousands with near death experience on youtube and on books who go to hell and talk about burning, the horrific smells, pain and separation from God.
In his letter to the Phillippians, Paul says that we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2,12-15 [12]And so, my most beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but even more so now in my absence: work toward your salvation with fear and trembling. [13]For it is God who works in you, both so as to choose, and so as to act, in accord with his good will. [14]And do everything without murmuring or hesitation. [15]So may you be without blame, simple sons of God, without reproof, in the midst of a depraved and perverse nation, among whom you shine like lights in the world, think he said that for a reason.
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Damn that last line was deep. The doors of hell are locked from the inside.
Revelation 20:12-14
[12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Luke 16:22-25
[22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Actually read the Bible don't just listen to people who act like they read it
@@billybobby320He very likely is in Purgatory as he shows love and care for his loving loved ones still.
In hell …all good (God) is no longer in them.
@@reclavea Not trying to be condescending or anything, but can you give some scriptures that show purgatory in the Bible? Or is it just a church tradition?
I met a missionary that told us a story when I was growing up at church. He said that he felt called to go to Africa to a particular country and village. When he got there he found out a week prior the chief of the village had a moment where he was looking at the world around them and thought their had to be something bigger. The chief said he through a casual “if there is any higher being out their reveal yourself”. A week later this missionary showed up for no other reason than he felt called deep down to go and didn’t know what to expect. Hey God works in mysterious ways.
Jesus is the only way to heaven. Without Jesus, there is no salvation.😭
So how were ancient Chinese supposed to be saved?
@@missk1697 Through Jesus paying for their sins even if during their lives they didn't know him.
The question is that once they know who he is and what he did, will they accept him as their saviour?
He isn't telling us Jesus isn't the only way to salvation.
@@missk1697 The ancient chinese who worshipped the true one God (not idols) and obeyed Him are in heaven thanks to Jesus's sacrifice.
Its not that hard to understand doctrine which is clearly seen in Romans 1 and 2.
Nobody said that you can get into Heaven if you reject Jesus.
I disagree with the claim that no one is in hell who doesn’t want to be there. The number of egomaniacal self righteous narcissists who feel no guilt or shame that would find their souls in hell are numerous and they don’t think they deserve to be there and even if they did they would not want to be.
No one wants to go to hell, but the people there chose it by rejecting God's grace
@@bennettdaniel7779you can actually compare it to a sick patient and a doctor, the sick patient is suffering on his sickness and he doesn't want to be sick, yet he keep refusing and Rejecting the doctor to aid him
So even tho he doesn't want to get sick he chooses to be still sick because he rejects the one that who can heal him
I think that's just a way of saying they chose hell by default by not actively choosing heaven when they had the chance.
That means they'd choose hell. We're talking about people who would *not* want to be in the precense of God.
@@bennettdaniel7779 trash logic
i can't imagine a more malevolently arrogant presumption than that of religious people who think, not only that their beliefs are more important than someone else’s, but that they have the right to tell them they are.
Irrevocable commitment to any religion is not only intellectual suicide; it is positive unfaith because it closes the mind to any new vision of the world. Faith is, above all, openness - an act of trust in the unknown
In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all.
Western religions are more concerned with behavior, doctrine, and belief than with any transformation of the way in which we are aware of ourselves and our world.
The trouble with many religions, accused of wishful thinking, is that they are not wishful enough. They show a deplorable lack of imagination.
The style of God venerated in the church, mosque, or synagogue seems completely different from the style of the natural universe.
The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity.
We seldom realize, for example that our most private thoughts and emotions are not actually our own. For we think in terms of languages and images which we did not invent, but which were given to us by our society.
Many people think that the Bible is the authentic word of God and they worship the Bible, making it an idol.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
- Romans 1:18-23
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
- Romans 2:14-16
The problem is, people understand the basic moral law, and they suppress the knowledge of God.
Doesn’t it also say that God poured out His wrath on Jesus ✝️
HE took the sin of The World!
Jesus on The Cross
Prayed
“ Father forgive them for they know not what they do”!
The prayers of The Righteous man are heard and answered
Yes and Amen, in Jesus Christ.
The prophetic life story of Joseph.
1 suffered so that many would live.
We were ALL dead to GOD lost in our Sin.
God in Your Judgement remember Mercy 🙏🏻 🕊
All have sinned
All need Mercy
✝️
Best quotes. Thank you!
@@P.H.888 it does say that but it also has another thousand pages putting those scriptures into context. Our theology is not formulated on scriptures that fit neatly into our agenda.
@@skyred2 our? Baptist denomination?
@@P.H.888 our-being regenerate Christians seeking to properly interpret the whole bible in it's intended context.
I always say the same thing: People don't go to hell because they didn't believe, they go to hell because they're sinners.
And everyone definitely has a moral sense, that which we call the conscience
There is no hell… the opposite to living eternal is eternal death. Not everlasting hellfire.
The Bible doesn’t teach hellfire. That’s pagan
Revelation 20:12-14
[12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
@@hereweare9096 Luke 16:22-25
[22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Ephesians 2:8-11,13
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
[11]Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[13]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
@@hereweare9096 do you guys even read the Bible?????????
I usually agree with you, but I’m reading the comments and I am reminded personally of when Jesus said that the rich man asked Lazarus to dip his finger in water and to drop the drop of water in his mouth.
Good eyes & ears
That was a parable
People being burned by an all consuming lake of fire don't hold coherent conversations. They would be screaming and choking.
That is definitely just a parable.
@@Prepare2Prosper Luke 16:22-25
[22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
@@Prepare2Prosper Revelation 20:12-14
[12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
You’d think these TikTokers would do a little bit of research before posting their videos.
These tiktokers are some of the most uneducated people in america.
You made a mistake by putting "TikTokers" and "research" in the same sentence.
@@cadenorris4009 😂
Nah, it's just easier to hate and be ignorant and not read a single page of a book.
If they do that, they'd be violating Bytedance's policy and would be removed from the platform, and you know where that company's main branch is based in.
I don't know why but the guy you are responding too gives off "my crap don't stink" vibes
Philosophers tend to do that for certain.
I've always believed that trusting in the character of the Creator when it comes to those who never know him or Jesus.
How about the logic of Romans 10?
@@geoffrobinson the entire chapter or a specific verse?
@@SovereignJarodKwan 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?[c] And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
The logic here is you need to believe to be saved. And that means you have to hear the gospel. No Anonymous Christians are possible, at the very least for able-minded people. Otherwise the logic makes no sense.
@@geoffrobinson I think IP gave a pretty straight answer to that in this short video.
When presented with the truth after unwilling ignorance, said people will have the choice.
For me it's different. There's a difference between believing and knowing. I am the latter and know several that know but still refuse to have faith or believe.
@@SovereignJarodKwan the logic doesn't work. Ignorance doesn't work. Primarily because you still have a conscience and you still sin. The analogy is that you're on a sinking ship. But no life boat until you hear the message.
"The gates of hell are locked from the inside" that breaks my heart every time I think of that. Can't even begin to imagine how saddened God is by it.
Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
@wet-read I guess you're right since empathy implies I've got some sort of idea.
@@Judge_of_Anubis05
Well, I would hope so! I can't understand why people care more about some entity that has no needs or worries as we do than their fellow human beings. And that leads in to what I was getting at, which is: if God is saddened by those who wind up in Hell, why in the ____ did he allow such a situation to even possibly occur in the first place?
@@wet-read Would you rather be an automaton? Only doing what is deemed right because you can do nothing else? If you had a child are you going to say it's better better off if the kid is never allowed to explore other life frameworks and make thier own choices if the possibility is they won't align with you the parent? If you had a gun put to your head and were told to believe in an ideology you don't believe, your belief in it would mean nothing because you were forced. If you were raised up only being allowed to only know certain belief structures and ethics you wouldn't really understand the value of those things if you never had a chance to learn of another way of life. The kind of life you're looking for is not the paradise you believe it to be, life is pointless in that kind of hypothetical. Loyalty is its own reward meaning I obey not because I have to but because I get to. I was given a choice to choose other walks of life and I chose Him. I am not a puppet of an uncaring master. You acknowledged it yourself by asking why he allows the possibility. You really cannot justify to me or anyone else that God is evil or uncaring if he gives you all this choice along with the full weight of the consequences they bear. Of course this is just the belief in Christianity and even Judaism, but believe and do as you will.
@@Judge_of_Anubis05
Do I want to be an automaton? No, not presently. Would I know the difference between being an automaton and one who can think, reason, and make choices if I was born an automaton? Maybe, but maybe not ("maybe not" seems more plausible to me). Also, for all the banging on about freedom Christians speak of at times, I'm sure most would wonder why a mentally unbalanced person bent on attacking people at random was allowed to be roaming free (like almost anyone would likely wonder). Did he exhibit red flags? Did he talk about wanting to hurt people? Etc. But wouldn't that interfere with the precious freedom we all have; that God alone (apparently) can give or take away?
Asking why God allows the possibility extends to any question regarding why God allows sentient beings to exist in the first place, ya know. Would you have children if there was a high likelihood that they would be tortured to death? Let alone all people be so potentially unfortunate?
Why do I have to spoon feed this stuff to people? 🤔 It is frustrating!!
Fire of hell is metaphorical?
Mark 9:44
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
You are literally reading the quote in the most literal way, evem according to ancient christians thats methaphorical.
@@nvsbeatbox3949 which ancient Christian?
Well bottom line is you need Jesus Christ to save you from hell .Hell is very bad
Jesus said it was literal. An eternal lake of fire with weeping and knashing of teeth. I'll believe Jesus not tiktok.
It is metaphorical. "Hell" (a word that was not created until the 700's by the way) is also described as "dark" in Scripture. Fire cannot impact a spiritual being. Here's an overview of this verse-
Mark 9:48-49 (NIV):
Where
“‘The worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched."
49 Everyone will be salted with fire.
-Jesus was referencing Isaiah 66:24
Isaiah 66:24 (NIV):
24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms
that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome
to all mankind.”
-Isaiah was speaking of corpses that were being consumed by maggots and fire. Not the living.
-Throughout the Old Testament, “does not die” is used as a phrase, meaning: “something or
someone that will not die at that particular time.”
Check out the following verses:
Genesis 42:20
Exodus 30:20
Jeremiah 38:24.
-Isaiah was referring to dead corpses. (The worm will not die until it consumes the entire corpse).
-Once the worm completely consumes the corpse, the corpse is gone forever.
-Also, the “fire that is not quenched” phrase is a reference to “not being extinguished” or “not put
out.”
So, this “fire” cannot be stopped from “consuming its fuel.”
(Also, look up the following verses for a better understanding):
2 Kings 22:17
Isaiah 34:10
Jeremiah 7:20
Jeremiah 12:27
Ezekiel 20:47.
This video was greatly received, it was the last gap in my (current) understandings and personal moral questions for myself and from others. From dealing with slavery, women's and men's roles, and old testament laws to finally having a semblance of understanding for those who aren't fully convinced and testifying in this life for Jesus and God.
I'm feeling complete, selfishly and sinfully for myself but now I feel as if I can set aside my distractions and really just focus on my relationship with God, I probably have been doing that more in the first place. Thank you for helping me so much IP.
Why did he fail to mention John 3:18 and John 8:24
What do you mean? Keep studying. You can have a relationship and study at the same time
@@user-nu3sd7zb2j to clarify my obsessive studying and arguments and debates I kept getting into online was actually preventing my relationship with God. While I was defending God, God did not know me.
I am not going to stop studying but I am going to stop obsessing over it and focus more on my relationship with God and reading the actual Bible instead of philosophical arguments from other people.
I don’t believe what he spoke in the video and he misapplied the 3 scriptures of Christ speaking. Which I am willing to address individually, if you will. For JESUS also spoke in Luke 16 of the rich man who died and lifted up his eyes to Abraham and saw the beggar Lazarus afar off. He was in torments but Lazarus was comforted. Then when he couldn’t get help from Lazarus, he asked to have Lazarus sent from the dead to warn his brethren that they don’t end up in the place he was in, proving that when he died he went straight to Hell, while his brother still had a chance to serve GOD. No man has ascended into but the SON of man who came down from heaven as CHRIST himself said in John 3, so Lazarus was and is not in heaven, but he is in the bosom of Abraham and not in torment as the rich man was. Seek God and read his word for yourself and let not any man teach you, not even I myself. For we are also commanded to let God be true and every man a liar. Peace be to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
@@goodvibezinChrist you talking to me right?
Everyone who doesnt exept Him is gonna go there!
Bro. Accept is what you're looking for.
How about I’d expect him and kill people
Revelation 20:12-14
[12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
I will repented my sins and I will confessed jesus 🙏
C.S. Lewis was such a lad
A controversial view in western Christiandom, but biblically accurate. You've just earned a sub.
The judgement belongs to the Lord. Only He knows what's going to happen with us
This is a very rare and correct take on this subject. Most Christians seem to misunderstand it
Matthew 10:28 NLT - “Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
The more I listen to ip, the less I trust his biblical understanding.
It is clear he propagates many erroneous doctrines.
Please explain what he got wrong, contribute to the conversation
@@iamdigory he says that in hell there is no actual burning, not only is this false but even if it was true, Jesus says that he will cast both hell and death into the lake of fire with the beast and the false prophets
Luke 16:22-25
[22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
@@iamdigory Revelation 20:12-14
[12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
@@billybobby320 Thank you. I actually trusted him but after he said hell is not literal I'm not so sure how credible he is.
Nothing metaphorically about the fire that burns in hell. Although it is the soul that goes to hell, witnesses have testified that individuals actually do burn in hell with literal fire and souls retain physical sensations of pain but in a much heightened form.
witnesses. wtf!!!
@@forsakenprotector486 i’m pretty sure he’s just talking about highly varied from person to person so therefore unreliable as evidence near death experience’s
@@sharkmansman2085 I doubt it
Nobody has witnessed Hell.
@@sharkmansman2085 Revelation 20:12-14
[12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
I somewhat have that take as well. People who love their sin rather than Christ will continue to do so in the afterlife. "...Shall not the judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25). Thank God the Father through Jesus that He is so merciful and kind! ♡♡♡
Love your CS Lewis quote. It's one of my favorites. Another quote of h is that I love is:
"In the end there will only be two types of people. Those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'Thy will be done.' All who are in hell have chosen it and without that self same choice there would be no hell."
With your view there’s absolutely no need for evangelism ……
I hate to say this, but it's true. Jesus didn't go to the Cross and give His life for us so that we could have happier lives here, or to secure our ticket to paradise. He came to deliver us from hell fire and eternal damnation. Every parable that mentions eternal punishment includes a vivid description of hell, including the story of Lazarus and the rich man, wherein we're given a very real picture of very real hell fire.
In Revelation we read that "the smoke of their torment rises forever". That's not metaphorical smoke from metaphorical fire. Jesus went through hell in this life so that we wouldn't have to in the next. It's a very slippery slope when you start telling people hell isn't as bad as they've heard.
I was just thinking that. Why send missionaries? Why evangelize if it's safer to actually not say anything, not make anyone aware? Which also makes no sense because the bible says he has made himself plain.
Evangelism means bring the good news, so that is a reason in itself regardless of theology. The idea that having a certain belief saves you from being sent to hell is modern and still to this day the ancient and pre modern Churches do not believe it and they still evangelise.
@@Michael-yr5oq So from your point of view we can commit any kinds of sins rape, murder, sexual sins, blaspheme God and there’s no consequences?
There’s no need to lead of holy life and when Jesus is talking about walking the narrow path he was talking about an option? That’s not a warning?
There was a man who was an atheist (his testimony is on TH-cam) and he talked about how he saw Jesus and Jesus told him he couldn’t get in. Jesus allowed him to go into Hell before Jesus resurrected him and the guy talks about all the things he saw that aligned with the Bible.
Hell is real. People are already in it. There’s a true consequence to sin. Paul clearly talks about it in the scriptures. So did Jesus. Just because some early denominations didn’t believe in it doesn’t mean it wasn’t real.
There’s nothing in the Bible that could bring us to the conclusion that it’s fiction. Jesus was giving a true warning and he wanted to save us from it.
No one deserves God’s mercy it’s freely given.
@@Michael-yr5oq Good news of what? Go to a people who have never heard of Jesus to tell them the good news that if they believe in Jesus they'll go to heaven but if they reject him now that they've heard of him, they'll go to hell?
Only God truly knows our hearts and only God knows our real personal responsibility. Only God knows whether we "should have known better" concerning some religious doctrine or moral teaching in certain situations of our lives or we were (and worked) simply in error in good faith. "Helping the needy and poor" means compassion and selfless love and that is such a simple thing anyone can implement in his or her life (see about Matthew 25 about the Last Judgement). We can do it wrongly or some distorted way - and I am sure we will be forgotten if we "couldn't have known better". Although I have to note that this "knowledge" (of the "could have known better") might come not only from human sources but from the Holy Spirit's secret work in one's mind and life. Each person at the Last Judgment will clearly know whether he or she rejected God's calling to the truth and to living in selfless love throughout his or her life. Every situation of one's life and deeds will be clear for him or her. The "personal smokescreens" or nicely formulated lies, even self-deceptions will disappear in the shining of God's truth at the Last Judgment. Any human lies will be crushed but there will never be any unjustice or exaggerated severity from God's part, either. Only an honest question: do you want to choose real love or not. And everyone will know by the momentum of his or her former life whether this became the real final aim for him or her or not.
this channel is so much damage control to spiritualty i wouldn't list to this indoctrinating machine of a channel
i wouldn't listen to this indoctrinating machine of a channel he will try to find any little thing to make sure hes fake belief is proved to be real
hes delting my comments now
Wow, this is one of the greatest comments I have ever read. Amen my friend, Amen.
@@_Wakaz_ Thank you! If you are interested in such questions I suggest you read two books from C. S. Lewis and one from Tolkien. C. S. Lewis: The Great Divorce; Till We Have Faces (especially this latter). And Leaf by Niggle from Tolkien.
Not knowing Christ is different than rejecting Christ
Revelation 20:15 says, “Anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” No one wants to be thrown into the lake of fire.
There are two hells. The first is hades/gehenna. This is where the "bad" souls go now. The second is the lake of fire/eternal death. This one happens after the millennium and the final judgement and lasts for eternity. No longer souls burn there but imperishable bodies which are immortal and cannot die. This is way more serious than we wish it was!!! Of course it's only my personal research over decades of studying the King James 1611 version, it is the closest to the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Also, the Strongs Bible Concordance and Smith's Bible Dictionary. I say not what I wish or believe personally but what the Word says. God bless and be safe. I may disagree but I appreciate this channel.
Amen brother you put that in good terms, this video is definitely teaching false doctrine about hell though
@@billybobby320 Thank you. God bless you and be safe.
If ignorance of Jesus was enough to avoid the wrath of God, shouldn't we stop all evangelism? How evil and selfish would it be to risk someone's eternal soul by telling them about Jesus?
This part! I used to believe what IP said but the reality is it didn’t match with the rest of the Bible.
I realized that we don’t really know what happens to those who are ignorant of Jesus Christ. Some people who don’t know him will make it, some won’t. At that point only God knows.
His view is unbiblical. God made sure to give enough revelation to everyone, so no one is without excuse. And everyone will be judged according to what they know, and how much they know, and what they did with that knowledge.
@@sweetxjc he literally quoted scripture
@@gleborlov_77 he quoted scripture, how is that unBiblical??
@@crossbearer6453 do you know that anybody can take anything out of context and make the Bible say whatever one wants? For example:
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
I hope that someday I will be able to fly. And you know, today I have assurance that I can do it. I've never seen anyone do it, but I'm so convinced right now that I can. So I'm going on top of the building to fly. What? I'm not stupid, I follow exactly what the verse says.
Do you see?
I don't think the fire in hell is metaphorical. It has to be literal.
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
Revelation 14:9-11
It clearly states here that those who go to hell will be tormented. It literally says it's a place of Torment.
Also God clearly said people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
Hosea 4:6
Thank you!
Parable of Luke 16.. The guy is lonely, the guy is thirsty...
@@Zech14 What's your point of showing me the parable Luke 16? "The guy is lonely and the guy is thirsty" because this is an incomplete sentence.
@@carloswater7 He's not in a physical flame lit by a match...
@@Zech14
So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
Luke 16:24
According to the rich man he said he was in agony in this fire. So he described it as a physical fire.
Treading along the blades here…
Huh?
@@davidmccormick1996 it's a very delicate topic and what IP states lacks absolute support from the scripture. No one knows exact criteria by which someone ends up in hell. Yes, we know the way to salvation is through faith in Jesus, but if we get more specific - there are no given measurable criteria for that.
@@jonascyvas The Bible is fairly clear that going to Hell is a decision left for God, and God alone. Other than that, the Bible depicts Hell in terms of awful things in the physical world, such as Gehenna (the "trash pit"), or being a pit of fire. These are only figurative because we have no basis to suspect that the afterlife abides by any physical laws or material makeup. Why would God take us from a physical existence just to put us into another physical existence, only this second one is crappier, when we already have a non-physcial component that is "eternal?" That just seems arbitrarily convoluted and unlike of Him.
@@jonascyvas False. As long as you don't cherry-pick the Bible, the only possible conclusion you may come to is that the Fire in Hell is metaphorical, and not literal.
@@baldwinthefourth4098 the video was not only about that. And the fire itself - we don't know, there's not enough clear information, so it could be either way.
What an excellent answer! Thank you. I had not understood the scriptures you quote how you explained them before.
This also makes it all the more important for us to forgive people in this world. 🙏🙏🙏
*//This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 We will still have free will in heaven. However, our desire, our deepest wish, will be to live in harmony. It will be natural, there will be no cognitive dissonance where we are forced to whip our spirits into shape. Once you get to paradise, you will never again be tempted to leave, because all of the temptors will be destroyed. If you recall the scriptures, even as far back as Moses, God promises to write his law on our hearts so we will not be required to struggle with sinning in heaven, we will be in COMPLETE harmony with ourselves, nature, each other, and God, with nothing weighing us down.
As far as creating people, only God knows the answer to that, but I've heard it said that if God knows a certain person will willingly choose to reject him, he could choose not to create that person. But, let's say that person had a child, who DID choose God. If God didn't create the first person out of mercy for them, then he would also not create the second person, which would be depriving them of THEIR free choice and would condemn them to oblivion, especially when they were destined for eternal bliss and joy. I.e if God were to accommodate us like that, he would be depriving us of free will, and by extension, he would be punishing people who would have chosen him.
Ephesians 2:8-11,13
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
[11]Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[13]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Luke 16:22-25
[22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Revelation 20:12-14
[12]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Yes . Let God be true and every man a liar.. hell is real. They have no excuse it is written.. stop surprising the truth in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS sinner's. REPENT and be CONVERTED.
Hebrews 10:16
“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;”
Nobody lacks knowledge. Some people have more, while others have less, but everyone everywhere has knowledge.
Knowledge is not what sends anyone to Hell.
Hell is serious business. This is no "eternal sorta bummer."
Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Not enough? Jesus said it again.
Matthew 18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Daniel 12:2 “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
It says in Revelation for those who have taken the "mark of the beast" and worshiped his image, that "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and they have no rest day or night." That DOES NOT sound like annihilationism to me.
@@VicGeorge2K6 */*This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
Hitler is dead but his shame still remains today. You Don't have to be alive to have everlasting shame . And your reading scriptures out of context because you don't know the Bible. " the smoke of their torment lasts forever " this means when you go to the lake of fire you burn " torment " and when you burn anything what is left? The smoke. The smoke from thier burning lasts forever. Not you. Not your soul. Not your conscience. But the smoke of what was you .
How convenient that you only cherry-pick the verses you like to prove your point, but ignore verses like Matthew 22:13, where Jesus describes Hell as "Outer Darkness".
Both these descriptions are figure of speech to describe eternal seperation from God. The fire is not literal. Stop painting our Lord as some primitive diety to whom the worst that could happen is physical pain.
Ain't no way he thinks hell is a metaphore
hell is a metaphor. if you read the bible closely the fire in hell seems to be metaphorical
@@3.-_7---_739 no it doesn't.
@@Ace_Bandido808 LOL. You clearly haven't read the Bible.
@@3.-_7---_739 I have
@@Ace_Bandido808 Well to keep this arguement short, we see hell differently. Agree?
So hell isn't really hell, then he confused it with the lake of fire and then everyday gets a chance even if they never hear of Christ thus contradicting Jesus. Great work back pedalling.
Back pedaling??
Where does your knowledge of hell come from??
Jesus used the fire as a metaphor. What he was referencing was a large pit where they burned trash outside of Jerusalem. He was basically calling your soul trash
Hell is being cut off from God. Thats it. Yoh cant work your way out of hell because a trash soul could never understand what it takes to be holy. It's not necessarily eternal torture, but imagine an eternity of aloneness from any divine protection. Every spiritual and physical manipulation gets at you based on your weaknesses
Say you end up in hell because God rejected you due to your sexual impropriety. Youd spend an eternity trying to avoid HIV, herpes, monkeypox, and whatever else diseases while having sex with many people who leave you emotionally unfulfilled. You'll believe sex is all that matters but it will destroy your body. That would be closer to hell than being chucked into a lake of fire and being poked by a horned dude with a pitchfork
@@crossbearer6453 Hell is something that gets thrown in to the lake of fire. That is in the Bible. That is the same place I get my knowledge of what happens to sinners after they are judged. So the lake of fire is what is under discussion, not hell. Where do you get the idea that the fire is people's sins? Not from the Bible.
@@Phill0old I didn’t say that the fire was people’s sin
Can u pls quote the verse or something
@@crossbearer6453 The video says that. I responded to that.
I like that C.S Louis said that the doors of hell are locked from the inside
Many these days are living such hellish lives, they won't be able to tell the difference between hell and the lives they currently live.
Everyone knows God and everyone knows the name of Jesus. Even those who do not believe in God or know the biblical Jesus, still have no excuse for the Bible says that “the heavens and the earth declare the glory of God so they are not without excuse”
Paul also said that the pagans at that time would be judge based off their Conscience. And those who have the law will be judge by the law. Simple. I believe in the flames of hell as well, because of the parable Jesus said when warning about hell of Lazarus the poor man who was in Abraham’s bosom and the rich man who went to hell and he was asking Lazarus to give him a drip of water because it was very hot in hell. Jesus said it’s where the fire never quenches, there will gnashing of teeth and the worm never dies. Don’t pick and choose. Put the whole Bible together.
Not everyone knows the name of Jesus. The people on North Sentinel Island have never even heard of Christianity or even the name "Jesus Christ". What will happen to them?
@@matthewp956 they have the knowledge that creation is all around them. Once again, the heavens and the earth declare the glory of God so that man is without excuse. Not only that they will be judge by their conscience since they do not have the law or the name of Jesus. I’ll have to look up if that is even true because Christians literally go to every part of the world even the lost tribes that try to shoot us with bows and arrows lol. But, they are still without excuse. They will have a fair judgement.
man the bible is picked and choosen from the quran. the bible is basically an incomplete and sometimes wrong version of quran
@@stickboi9589 It's the other way round my guy. The Bible came before the Quran.
@@noahramirez2185 A very young American went there some years ago, he was arrowed down by the sentinels. His body couldn't be retrieved too considering how the "trespassing" became a worldwide controversial issue. Muslims and Hinduism mocked and cussed the general Christian missionaries for weeks after that incident.
The Lord rebukes you!
The Bible says heaven is a narrow path so most people therefore would go to hell
The fact that people of other beliefs so close to your own contradict even the smallest things such as the flames of hell being literal or not blows my mind. Ive never seen such strong belief in ones own OPINIONS while simultaneously neglecting anyone elses beliefs anywhere more than I have religion.
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--This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
"my people perish from lack of knowledge"
It refers to knowledge like "knowing someone" instead of "knowing about someone".
One is relational the other is not.
The israelites perish cuz they dont have relationship with God.
@@dimitartodorov4826 I would agree, and all that goes with it and all that
goes with it demonstrates a lack of a relationship with God.
The doors of hell are locked from the inside! 🔥🔥🔥
When people describe hell is a place that no one willing to enter, they are never saw or got a taste of hell on earth.
There are people that have had drug overdoses, attempted suicides that have died for a few minutes and people that claim they where shown by the holy spirit in visions or out of body experiences and they say hell is a literal place and you feel heat and pain
Whew... glad all theologians have agreed on what hell is!
lol! THEY DO NOT, of course!
😂😂😂
I think your “Incoming response” text should slide the other way.
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The fire is not metaphorical. It does what fire does. It destroys, completely. In the end the wicked will be no more. No more sin, no more rebellion against God. The traditional view of hell is simply unbiblical.
This view is unbiblical. God will judge people according to the revelation that they have. Those who never heard the gospel have enough evidence of the existence of God.
Romans 14, right? How bout 2 peter 3:9? I don't think he's giving up on anyone, and as we know, he gets what he wants.
@@root1657 well, actually I had these passages in mind:
The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Psalm 19:1
...men... by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:18-20
For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
Romans 2:14-15
Sounds like setting people up to fail. How is someone going to know who Yahweh or Jesus are without having heard of them? It’s like saying I should know the color blue exists if I’ve never seen it before.
@@ParadiseLordRyu nope, it's all explained in the verses in the comment before yours. The critical detail isn't in knowing his name, it's in doing what you know is right, because it's etched in your heart.
@@ParadiseLordRyu God doesn't judge people for the lack of knowledge. Rather He judges them according to what they knew here, in this world, and what they did with that knowledge, how they responded to it. For example,
And that servant who knew his master’s will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.
Luke 12:47-48
Where are you getting all that information on hell?
His imagination, since he doesn’t like the idea that God would cast anyone out without giving them the pagan concept of chance.
The Bible
a rightly divided and understanding kf cumtural context of scripthre.
You all are putting a MODERN LENSE on ANCIENT scrilture of coure youre getting it wrong.
The fact that all the comments says hes wrong proves to me hes actuslly correct. TH-cam comments are full of what is called the "ignorant fringe"
You people have no idea how to rightly divide. You all get ylur theology from random youtube sermins with ZERO studying yoursf. You IGNORE the cultural and historical context and shove your modern sadistic wicked views onto it.
ip may not be 100% but he makes good biblical points
He just showed Bible verses as well as books from theologians. He also made an entire vid on this.
Well-said that the doors of hell are locked from the inside.
In every other context, people value freedom, fairness, and dignity. I don't get it, I really don't.
There are still people dying from a lack of knowledge and its a shame. Wish those people would learn and understood, but there's a difference between willful ignorance and ignorance not made by that of the individuals. Those who are seeing the truth and have been shown the truth yet still reject it is not doing it from lack of evidence rather the desire to oppose the truth, its a matter of heart not evidence.
IP. You are wrong. I'm concerned for you. Your trying to be friends with the world.
how is responding to unbelievers being friends with the world?
@[ o m n i t o n e ] I like most of ip's stuff and think he's a force for good overall. Biblically, I strongly disagree with what ip says in this video, I see it as a theology that aims at even if not intended to appease sinners. If I were to answer this unbeliever, it would be a simple but heartbreaking "yes.".
@@B1bombermadness he made a whole video about his position, which is enough to conclude that he isn't being dishonest and he unironically believes that the bible teaches it. i've noticed that if we read the bible the way modern english speakers do, you could get some verses that seemingly contradict, so i think we will need significant dialogue before anyone concludes because you see both positions in the bible (seemingly upon sub-surface observation)
So I can go to school and have this “lack of knowledge”, not do the assignments and still get an A?
This is how my pastor puts it, “the easiest way to go to hell is to just do nothing, don’t do good and don’t do evil, just sit there, don’t evangelize and don’t spread hate, just sit there and do nothing with your ignorance and lack of knowledge”
The road to God isn't a "school". This is a bad metaphor. Your pastor is right. Doing nothing leads to hell. But Christianity isn't comparable to "school". Get that metaphor out of your head.
@@cadenorris4009 I never said that the road to God is a “school”. And I’m for sure not making a comparison of school and Christianity although there are some similarities. I am making a comparison between a person who “lacks the knowledge” of what being a christian is, and a person who “lacks the knowledge” of what being a student is.
For example: if you want to be a lawyer, then you have to really love and get close to the law. Study the law, practicing the law, take quizzes/tests or challenge yourself in order to familiarize yourself with the law. You can’t be a high-performing lawyer if you don’t do all of this first.
If you want to be a better christian, then you have to really love The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit, the word of God and get close to Him. Accept Jesus, repent from your sins, pray, fast, study His word, obey Him and His word, have faith in Jesus. God allows the trials and tribulations for our faith to be tested 1 Peter 1:7. You can’t be a better christian if you don’t do all of that.
But if we lack the knowledge and just go with our ignorance, then how will I become a high-performing lawyer? How will I be a better christian(btw when I say better christian, I don’t mean better then others, I mean better/approved 2 Timothy 2:15 in the eyes of God and no one else’s just to clarify)
It sounds from your comment like your pastor is saying that doing Christian things means you go to heaven. That’s not how that works. Believing on the finished work of Christ means you go to heaven. The rest is just the kind of life you lead based on your response to His finished work. I do believe that you can be in Christ and choose to live a miserable, selfish life and still be with God in glory at the end. You’ll regret it and it’s wasteful but it’s possible. I know people like that. They have very little joy and peace because they can’t embrace the true freedom that’s theirs in God.
@@josephjimorris i need some scripture supporting your response.
“Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.”
Matthew 16:24
You can’t be in Christ and “choose to live a miserable and selfish life” because that’s not denying yourself. On the contrary, that’s the equivalent of being ignorant and having lack of knowledge.
Paul says 1 Corinthians 2:16 “For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.”
No one can instruct the mind of the Lord, but He can instruct us christians who have the mind of Christ. If we have the mind of Christ, this means that we have to think like Christ, speak like Christ, and act like Christ. Not miserable, but joyful like Christ, not selfish, but selfless like Christ. I’m not saying be Christ, but make the effort to be like Christ.
Tell the rich man who begged to “have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” 🙄
Matt 10:28 says, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna)."
Those are some wildly unbiblical views you have there, IP. The Bible is crystal clear that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, therefore everyone deserves to go to hell, and each individual person will go to hell, as they rightfully deserve, UNLESS that individual repents of their sin and trusts in Jesus's sacrifice on the cross as attonement for their sin.
Absolutely nowhere in the Bible does it teach that when we die we get to decide whether or not we go to heaven. Nowhere. Plenty of places in scripture say that whether we go to heaven or hell is determined by whether or not we accept or reject Jesus and His sacrifice in this life.
There are biblical reasons some think that exceptions are made for infants and children due to them not being mentally developed enough to be held accountable for their sin. There is also biblical commentary on those who live their whole lives having never once been exposed to the gospel being judged by a different standard of how they responded to God as is revealed through creation.
You absolutely 100% need to get your theology from the Bible, period, full stop. If scholarship seems to think one thing and the Bible itself seems to suggest something else then you had better choose what the Bible teaches every time. I'm not directly accusing you of doing otherwise, but I can't conceive of why you'd hold such clearly unbiblical views of hell and damnation to it otherwise. It's just very clearly not what the Bible teaches.
He’s talking about those who didn’t hear about Jesus in life not those who reject him in life
@@Commandosoap777 From exactly what the tiktoker said, he, the tiktoker, doesn't seem to be referring exclusively to those who have never heard the gospel ever but more broadly, and I'm paraphrasing, 'anyone who doesn't believe exactly what you believe'.
@@Commandosoap777 Also, IP specifically said that he thinks EVERYONE will be given a choice to choose heaven or hell after they die. If he only meant to say those that have never heard the gospel have this option, which itself would be unbiblical, then he didn't carefully say what he meant.
Seems like you missed the part where he used the Bible
@@Commandosoap777 The tiktoker only said something to the effect of 'those who believe differently than you' and IP said his response about choosing heaven or hell applied to everyone.
IPs view is pretty unbiblical
Many of his views are unbiblical
@@kidus_1010 would love if either of you showed any kind of proof against this or other vids of his
@@korisnickoime571 he twists Genesis to read Darwinian evolution into it. He appeals to the Hebrew and potential meanings which he chooses to interpret for himself with eisegesis
@@kidus_1010 You're wrong because Mike Jones doesn't believe in Darwinian Evolution, he believes in Process Structuralism (I'm pretty sure). As for his biblical hermeneutics, Jones gets his views from scholars and what makes most sense. Jones appeals to the cultural background, possible and most probably meaning of the text, and having consistency in his views.
Matthew 7:21-23 disagrees with the notion that there is no one is in hell who doesn't want to be there.
That's about the final judgement not Hell. Hell is the intermediate state.
@@storba3860 Ok but then where will those people be before that point? Hell right? If that's the case then those people didn't think they should be in hell and they clearly didn't want to be there. That's not to say their choices didn't lead them to hell. However that text indicates that they did not think they should be punished. That they believe they should be in paradise.
Lack of knowledge makes you believe in sky daddies, zombie saviors, and red men living in fiery underground caverns.
You aren't the brightest star in the sky I take it?
@@gaiusoctavius5935 I’d be defensive too being brainwashed since birth. A nice static, finite world to set yourself apart with little to no effort on your part.
@@svtinker I should start by saying that I didn't become a Christian by being brainwashed; rather, I consciously chose to do so after researching it. Someone who continues to hold onto beliefs such as sky daddy, the zombie savior, and erroneous notions of hell and demons is not likely to comprehend the difficulties involved in questioning ingrained beliefs and ultimately abandoning them in favor of something that is supported by more facts and logic. If that's all you have to say, then God bless you and take the rest of your day as you choose.
@@gaiusoctavius5935 we have something in common. My Texas roots pushed me to spiritually eventually.
@@svtinker That's fascinating. I may have misjudged you, and if I did, I apologize. However, I'd like to know what you mean when you say you're spiritual. Do you mean that you believe in a pantheistic conception of God, or are you more in line with deism, or do you mean something entirely different?
Until evidential demonstration that hell is real takes place, there is no reason to think that anyone is in hell.
The rich man in Luke 16:22-24 could sure use a cup of cold water. 🤷🏼♂️
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha sure, if the story is true. No reason to think that it is, though.
@@stoneybologna1982 The story absolutely is true this is where Jesus went for 3 days to minster to the souls that died pre crucifixion 1 Peter 3:18-19. That's why Jesus told the thief on the cross today you will be with me in paradise. The thief went to Abraham's bosom aka paradise. Which was in hell across the huge gulf. Both sides are in hell torment aka prison on one side. paradise aka Abraham's bosom on the other side.
@@vnolan633 or I'll just die and there will no longer be a me to find anything out.
Whew... As long as we don't go around telling others about God, people might not be in hell not burning (Since it's like a metaphorical burn all theologians agree on).
@residue junkie Theologians are fools. Got it. Well tell that to IP. He likes to talk about them and their views.
Thank you for all of the truth of the scriptures that you bring to light. May God continue to bless you and keep you brother. Much love and blessings in Christ Jesus
I believe the fires of hell isn’t actually fire, but it’s the love of God feeling like fire, since we rejected God and God’s love is unconditional, his love with feel painful (like how the orthodox Christian’s believe)
John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Romans 1:20-23
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man-and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
I think scripture is pretty clear, no repentance of sin, no Jesus as your Lord, no heaven. It would be blasphemous to suggest otherwise.
There're several problems with the whole 'fire burns physical things, not spiritual'. First, in the resurrection, everyone gets their physical bodies, even those that go into the lake of fire. Second, that's like saying, "photons are absorbed by physical bodies, not spiritual, therefore we cannot see anything in the next life," or, "sound waves vibrate physical ear drums, not spiritual, therefore we cannot hear in the next life," or, "food is digested by a physical stomach, not a spiritual one, therefore we cannot partake of the feast in heaven."
If God provides a way for us to see, hear, taste, touch, smell, etc. in heaven, so He surely has provided a fire that burns spiritual bodies. Their smoke goes up forever, so the fire may not be able to destroy them, but it can certainly torment them for all eternity. It's a heavy topic, but the warnings in Scripture must be taken seriously.
Rejecting Christ sends you to hell. And the Bible makes it clear no one will have an excuse on the day of judgement.
Any evil in the world should be condemed to hell, that includes those who do evil with no remorse.
“MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”
(Hosea 4:6)
They don’t need to believe “exactly what I believe” they just need to know Jesus and accept him as Christ
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1) Jesus revelaed to St Faustina his promise of appearing 3 times to people in their death to say "yes", this includes the ignorant and people who didn't know him fairly (written in St Faustina's diary). Reference below.
2) Purgatory, a place for cleansing the soul of all sin before entering heaven. There are multiple references of this in the bible and through revelation among the saints (reference below). It would make sense as in the old testament noone unclean of sin could come near God. They all got struck to death by his holiness. Ironically, when I searched years back, the Jewish view of hell is similar to Purgatory.
3) Mary and the Rosary. The Rosary involves prayers for the ignorant and the souls in purgatory to be lead to heaven. People's prayers can be used to save others even if those prayers are from the past or future as God is outside of time, he can bring those prayers in the present. St Padre Pio revelaed this to his doctor while he was praying for his long dead grandfather. Mary intercedes at peoples death ("pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death"). As the mother of Jesus, she was created as the loophole to God's Justice, by interceding for souls and convinces her Son to give more mercy and chances. Mary is God's mercy personified (Reference below)
Because God is Just, he has ways of judging people based on what was fairly revealed to them and also to those who could not do the right thing impeded by mental illness or brain tumor or even drug abuse forced by the environment.
Not to undermine other secs of Christianity, I have only found the clearest answer through Catholic Revelation, very recently. For years, this question was hard to find clear answers even with some of the best apologetics like Frank Turek. Some apologetics even say they won't be saved because that's the purpose of evangelization. For me, the purpose of Evangelization is to spread the God's good news and to revolutionize the world's values especially of loving thy neighbors.
Detailed explaination on death as revealed through the Church, Scriptures and Saints (Jesus' promise promise to Faustina @ 27:45 of the video & Intercession of Mary at 54:00):
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Detailed explaination of the purgatory from the Bible and the Saints:
th-cam.com/video/U6gjb634Zf4/w-d-xo.html
Summary of Purgatory:
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The scriptures teach Christ was preached to them as well as to us
People perish due to a lack of knowledge.
The reason why we need to pray for others..... To open their eyes and mind.....
The scripture cited here means that it makes no rational or moral sense to spread the so-called good news of Jesus and salvation (assuming Christianity to be true for the sake of argument).
This was really helpful
Its all answered in Romans 2.
Those who by nature do what the law requires will be justified.
And obviously they need to worship the one true God, not mute idols.
All people have universal revelation of God - aka the creation and their moral law written of their hearts.
I know because I died several times through abuse as a child. The last time was drowning , the spirit was there. Face to face not a dream or vision. When I crossed over , everything my life had been. did NOT!!! cross over. I was freed. No memory of my parents , school , my life to then , nothing. The spirit informs me ... that is forgiveness. They sent me back , but never left me. God said , I will release the captives from hell , and I will abolish death. When I had that experience, the first thing they wanted me to learn and teach, is that there is no such thing as death.
this is also why its safe to assume there will be no young children in hell,as young children lack the ability to comprehend right from wrong comparitively to an adult.
Some say hell fire is literal, others say it is metaphorical. I really don't know myself, but what I do know is the scripture does imply different levels of hell or different degrees of punishments. Would be weird if that was the case yet everyone was burning? Lets just all agree whatever hell is, its a place no one wants to be
Well said!!! ❤
No one goes to hell until a thousand years after this earth age. Ignorance is forgiven
This is heavy stuff, doc.
Wow - fantastic answer! So well explained.
God holds everyone accountable just by his creation alone. They don't have lack of knowledge. They just reject God's existence because they love their sin and don't want to give it up. Plain and simple.. Pride
So you’re telling me a baby or an ancient Aztec knows who Yahweh is?
@@ParadiseLordRyu Actually baby's do know who God is. Baby's have their spiritual eyes open before the world's corruption closes them.
We must not forget that God is a just judge. We as humans cannot comprehend that, but I sure know nobody goes to hell undeserved!
Keep up with your good work.
That’s always a wild one to me though. “People aren’t condemned to hell for a lack of knowledge.” So is it better for people to stop talking about Jesus?
Everyone will be judged by the light they have been given.
Everyone has that conversation. Heaven is not inclusionary, it’s invitational. All are invited. Not all accept the invitation.
My people perish for a lack of knowledge
This is a way better response than I expected. Hell is a big reason why I'm an atheist
No. You are not an atheist because of the existence of hell, you are an atheist because you cannot repent from your sins.
The hell you've been taught is a lie .
Research universalism. Checkout a channel by the name of the total victory of Christ
Hell is real hell is suffering everyone who denies Jesus Christ as God is going hell.
What an interesting viewpoint! Haven't heard this before.
There are thousands with near death experience on youtube and on books who go to hell and talk about burning, the horrific smells, pain and separation from God.
In his letter to the Phillippians, Paul says that we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2,12-15
[12]And so, my most beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but even more so now in my absence: work toward your salvation with fear and trembling.
[13]For it is God who works in you, both so as to choose, and so as to act, in accord with his good will.
[14]And do everything without murmuring or hesitation.
[15]So may you be without blame, simple sons of God, without reproof, in the midst of a depraved and perverse nation, among whom you shine like lights in the world, think he said that for a reason.