Somebody tell her most converts to Christianity during Roman persecution were women and that many women were persecuted by pagan parents and husbands because Christianity gave them a higher status
I remember one time having somebody try argue the world was better pagan, giving Vikings an example, only for me to have explain to him that it was in fact Vikings (referring to Early Medieval Norsemen, where Viking usually refers to their raiders only, but is used interchangeably) that had many women advocate for Christianity specifically because Christianity would have given more rights and heigher status to women than their prior situation.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 world as we know today is based on the philosophy of pagans. Biggest influence can be the philosophy of democracy itself and then german idealism was also hugely shaped by ancient pre Christian Philosophies. Even manu Christians today admires stoicism and platonism and many high profile Christians calls themselves stoic
@@Son_of_zeusHave you? Or are you just going to regurgitate the same baseless claims about gender inequality that you guys always try and fail to defend?
@@JW.165 not my claims, the bible's claims. bible on women A wife is a man’s property: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17 Daughters can be bought and sold: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7 A raped daughter can be sold to her rapist: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 Collecting wives and sex slaves is a sign of status: He [Solomon] had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 1 Kings 11:3 Used brides deserve death: If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21. Women, but only virgins, are to be taken as spoils of war: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18 Menstruating women are spiritually unclean: 19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, . . . 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge. 31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[a] which is among them.’” Leviticus 15: 19-31 A woman is twice as unclean after giving birth to girl as to a boy: A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. ‘ 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. 6 ” ‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering. Leviticus 12: 1-8 A woman’s promise is binding only if her father or husband agrees: 2 When a man makes a vow to the LORD or takes an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said. 3 “When a young woman still living in her father’s household makes a vow to the LORD or obligates herself by a pledge 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. 5 But if her father forbids her when he hears about it, none of her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand; the LORD will release her because her father has forbidden her. . . . . A woman’s vow is meaningless unless approved by her husband or father. But if her husband nullifies them when he hears about them, then none of the vows or pledges that came from her lips will stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the LORD will release her. 13 Her husband may confirm or nullify any vow she makes or any sworn pledge to deny herself. Numbers 30:1-16 Women should be seen not heard: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34 Wives should submit to their husband’s instructions and desires: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Colossians 3:18 In case you missed that submission thing . . . : Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24. More submission - and childbearing as a form of atonement: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15 Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10 Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4
@@JW.165 bible on women A wife is a man’s property: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17 Daughters can be bought and sold: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7 A raped daughter can be sold to her rapist: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 Collecting wives and sex slaves is a sign of status: He [Solomon] had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 1 Kings 11:3 Used brides deserve death: If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21. Women, but only virgins, are to be taken as spoils of war: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18 Menstruating women are spiritually unclean: 19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, . . . 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge. 31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[a] which is among them.’” Leviticus 15: 19-31 A woman is twice as unclean after giving birth to girl as to a boy: A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. ‘ 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. 6 ” ‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering. Leviticus 12: 1-8 A woman’s promise is binding only if her father or husband agrees: 2 When a man makes a vow to the LORD or takes an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said. 3 “When a young woman still living in her father’s household makes a vow to the LORD or obligates herself by a pledge 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. 5 But if her father forbids her when he hears about it, none of her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand; the LORD will release her because her father has forbidden her. . . . . A woman’s vow is meaningless unless approved by her husband or father. But if her husband nullifies them when he hears about them, then none of the vows or pledges that came from her lips will stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the LORD will release her. 13 Her husband may confirm or nullify any vow she makes or any sworn pledge to deny herself. Numbers 30:1-16 Women should be seen not heard: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34 Wives should submit to their husband’s instructions and desires: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Colossians 3:18 In case you missed that submission thing . . . : Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24. More submission - and childbearing as a form of atonement: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15 Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10 Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4
@@beliber6681 Nope. We have proved that society will run (albeit poorly) by outsourcing childcare to public schools. Try running society without roads, electricity, natural gas, plumbing, or homebuilding.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 women still run outsourced childcare and schooling, so even in a society where motherly roles r outsourced, women still provide those roles. and not to get too technical, but society did run without concrete roads, electricity, gas, and plumbing for thousands of years. i know men fulfilled other roles during those times, such as hunter, building all the structures by hand, protecting the community, leading, and over all fulfilling their duties as men. men r obviously important, but what i mean is that the roles we fulfill r much deeper than what we do in society, its about how the world needs both men and women together to be for each other what God created us for. its how we feel the joyful fulfillment of the amazing world God has created. all im saying, its j the truth of God that men and women and equal and their roles have equal importance, and its sinful to believe otherwise.
@@beliber6681 Concrete in roads has existed for literally 2000 years, and was invented by the Romans. Regardless, I didn't say "concrete" roads, just roads. Civilization would not exist in any capacity without roads. Modern society would not exist in any capacity without electricity, gas, or plumbing, which is what I was referencing. Women are who we outsource child rearing to because that's what they choose, but men are just as capable in the profession. Prior to those things, men hunted food and protected the tribe. The tribe could exist with female captives who added nothing to the tribe, but without men, they would all be eaten by a predator or stolen by another tribe. That's not to say women are less valuable, only their roles.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 i meant anyone can make a dirt path, like in most civilizations through history have used. also, the romans used concrete to build structures, but not roads, bc it was very hard to produce. like i said, it is not biblical and it is sinful to think that men and women's roles do not have equal value. there r plenty of men throughout history and now who sit around not contributing anything, even biden in the white house j sits around all day waiting for ice cream. all the men throughout history who have done important things have been raised by women, most them in a family unit where they got both the important influence of a mom and dad. the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world, is the old saying, meaning both men and women accomplish great things together by women mothering the men who grow to be great, meaning they both accomplished something great.
That is because the man rules over the woman. After they have broken Gods commandment. God calls out to Adam. where are you and question him because he is responsible.
@geewalker2015 Incorrect. Eve was tempted by the serpent, Adam was not. Adam acted entirely of his own volition and is therefore responsible for the fall.
@@geewalker2015 16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.” Genesis 2:16-17 2And the woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, lest you die.’ ” Genesis 3:2-3 So here we see a discrepancy. God told Adam one thing but Eve tells the serpent something else. God says 'don't eat it' while Eve says they shouldn't touch it. Who told her not to touch it? God wouldn't because the law for one person is the same for all. The only person around who could have told her that is Adam. Right off the bat Adam is adding to the command of God which is the beginning of human religion. This opens a crack for Satan to deceive Eve. 6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:6 Notice what this verse says: 'she gave also to her husband WITH HER.' Adam wasn't off somewhere doing something else while the serpent tempted Eve. He was with her watching the entire interaction and did nothing to stop it. Adam was tasked with defending the Garden and let the Enemy walk right in and lie to his wife while he watched. The entire ordeal, start to finish, is ADAM'S fault.
@@gknight686 ”Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-“ Romans 5:12 NIV It’s not a blatant lie. Read your Bible more
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23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:23 KJV)
@@jakeusaf9401 : Ok. The man is bigger, stronger, faster and in some ways smarter. It wouldn’t make sense for the woman to be the head of the family. Unfortunately a lot of American women do not recognize the man as the head or even as an equal. They are in constant competition for power. And it only ends in tearing up the marriage. But the couple is one flesh. Two sides of one coin. The couple needs to work together and bring out each other’s strengths rather than a “he’s the boss” attitude. In my marriage of 35 years, I likened it to the constitution. We each have a few rules set in stone, and then we are free to grow and make our own decisions after that. And let me tell you, we are much better off than if I made all the decisions.
@@majorburke9735 we can’t expect American non believers to let their husbands be the head of the house hold but in a Godly relationship a man is supposed to be the head of the house hold
Sadly I've found a lot of people don't care about what it means, they'd rather what fits the agenda. Thanks for your hard work. Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:23 KJV)
And Paul writes in the New Testament, "wives, submit to your husbands, as to the Lord; husbands, love your wives, as Christ loves the Church." Those are clear roles of how a husband and wife are to run their household.
Erm actually men and women were made for each other, and to classify one as superior to the other would be to criticize the symbiotic relationship between husband and wife. They work together, not independently. Not one for another, but as one whole.
Verses 11 and 12 say "11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God." This is showing that they're dependent on each other.
@@Eren-wj6uk do you even know what you’re implying when you say “woman was made for man.” You want to designate that women are only suppose to date men? Only suppose to listen to whatever their husband says, even if it’s abusive, and cold hearted? How are you gonna convert lesbians into liking men? You can’t force somebody to love somebody else. You’re a little bit lonely, aren’t ya? We can be friends, if you want.
Awesome analysis. That's exactly what impressed me first time reading the Bible. "OH crap, you mean to tell me that we ladies WEREN'T created inferior? I was told we were. BUT this is saying that's just what people think because of how sin twists and distorts everything?... yeah, I'm on board. What else has this book got to tell me? Now that I'm being told I'm actually valued, perhaps I can be open- minded about the rest of it. I may have finally found the truth! Goodbye, Quran!"
Ya Women have value. Equal of mind and spirit. The male heads over wife is more about leading I believe. There are so many almost seeming contradiction here. I believe that men are the head of family. But due to the call of human treatment To love each other The golden rule and many other points contend with it. Basically demanding husbands to be a morall upright lead. That treats his wife as he would want to be treated. It's quite contradiction at first glance
@r.a.panimefan2109 Yes, it was a big change after reading many different things. The difference in roles matters less than the value of the human being. I was a child who observed many biased, exist practices in the world, and the rationale for these things was usually some form of "girls are like animals, girls are less than, girls don't carry our society, etc. Some things like that happen to boys too, don't get me wrong! But it was way WAY more prevalent for violence to be enshrined and validated against women, at least in my youth. FGM in North Africa. Abandonment in Sparta and other aggressive cultures. Serial killer almost always target and do gory things to women. To top it off, a cult person in my early life said that since Eve was the first sinner, every bad thing that happened to every girl was our own fault and we bear the responsibility of the whole fall of man. That's why it's right to treat us like a tool or an empty hole shell. ... That was long ago. I decided to read every scripture book I could get my hands on when I was 17, so I could arm myself with what they REALLY say, not hearsay. So glad I did! Christian for 27 years now, and I have peace and am valued by God.
@dragongamer7846 because I read Quran first and tried to submit to it, but hated how Allah treated women. What a dope is Allah. He makes women, decides they are inferior, punishes them for being what he made them. Like a natural-born pouncing bag. And then he encourages Muslim men to see women that way and treat us like not even human. How would YOU feel if your creator said it is OK to beat YOU, not because you deeply sinned, but because your spouse is displeased?
Being a Christian, reading the Word and then going to church are simply never enough. People have to be taught the Word and what it means. I lay this charge to the church for not knowing how to teach its own congregation well enough and preparing them, in my opinion. Without sitting under an anointed teacher of the Gospel can result in a lot of costly mistakes and gross misinterpretations and it just takes one uninformed, oversimplified TikTok to confuse a whole host of people.
Agreed. It seems that almost every single church these days is preaching lies or even overt heresy. The Catholic church almost looks benign compared to the travesty of megachurches
Matthew 22:1-14, "For many are called, but few are chosen" I believe refers to how many hear the Gospel message, but only few will believe. So, let " He how has ears to hear, let him hear"- Matthew 11:15 More is the pity for those that point to the Bible and say, "see!", rather that read it and try to understand...😔
@@martinvasquez818 this isn’t intended to be rude but do you have training in argumentation? Things like what are fallacies and such? For example saying “I believe this to mean x” has no bearing on what it actually means. There are millions of other people with different interpretations all saying I believe it says this. Who has authority to bind anyone to teaching? You might not know what a paradigm is but you cannot understand the scripture without a paradigm
The teaching of Biblical truth is supposed to be a multi-layered approach, beginning in the home with the father and mother, then the Church, school, community and nation. As the foundation breaks down, it crumbles the rest of the structure of teaching the Word, and we end up with this type of false teaching.
"Wives submit to your husbands as unto the Lord." Eph 5:22 "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." 1 Pet 3:7 We just gonna ignore the complementarian teachings of the NT?
As David Pawson says, men are to lead, not dictate. There is also to take into account wives are to submit to their husbands and husbands are to love their wives. That of course doesn’t give a man a license for cruelty or brutality towards his wife.
Yerp, it’s almost like God originally intended for nurturing relationships, but cultural perceptions, as well as social media, has put cheating/and “hook-up culture.” Into the limelight. I’m aware brutality/adultery has been a precipice since the dawn of man, but that gives us no excuse to perpetuate a careless society that results in single mothers, absent fathers, and a child with a broken home. The children of today will in time be the leading generation, what example are we setting?
Right, just as the woman is to submit, the man is to "love your wife as Christ loved the church and GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER." As a husband who failed miserably at that, I am now beginning to understand the level of sacrifice I must have in order to obey God.
@@reubenkriegel7639it's easier with a wife who understands her proper role as the Lesser Vessel. My wife quoted 1 Peter 3 to me as a criticism and asked me whether I was the Lesser Vessel or if she was. That was the moment I realized I had been mistreating her our whole marriage by expecting from her what I would expect from another man. I was not treating her as a precious, weaker vessel, I treating her like a man and expecting her to respond and behave like a man.
When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
I feel like its important to note that Adam also gets a punishment, which I believe was to constantly till the ground until the day he inevitably dies. This shows that God held both of them equally accountable for their actions. No double standards in the eyes of God. Everyone is guilty.
Jordan Peterson has a great commentary on the line Man shall rule over their wives. It’s not an imposition by God. Is just a fact of what man will do in a fallen world due to sin. So the girl in the video misunderstands.
@@georgedoyle2487 To be honest, the only triggered people around here are the ones using multiple exclamation points and buzzwords like "cope" and "triggered". I committed no fallacy as I was in no debate, and I have nothing against Jordan Peterson.
@@HangrySaturn “The only triggered people around here” “are using multiple exclamation points” SMOKESCREEN!! Look up trivial objections fallacy and appeal to hypocrisy fallacy - right? CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!!
Nope. Complementarians preach equal = different (which is the opposite to same) but complementary. A definition not found in scripture nor the dictionary. So it is made up !
@danielboone The issue is that God sees us as equals in value and capabilities, especially equal when it comes to being able to think rationally, logically and judge ( as much as any human is capable to do so) correctly. However, complementarians usually don't think that. Let's not confuse physical capabilities with other ones. Yes, men and women are different, but not as much as we think they are, and nit necessarily in ways we think they are.
@@mimimimz6719 I don't think that's true either. Men and women have real differences in various types of cognitive abilities and so each sex is generally suited better to different types of tasks.
I was taught what this women believes in my Catholic high school. Please do a video about the source of these biblical misconceptions, strange how some run so deep!
I'm not disagreeing by any means, because Jesus even said that some people are meant to stay single essentially Matthew 19:9-12 KJV [9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. [10] His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. [11] But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. [12] For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. But also consider Proverbs 18:22 KJV [22] Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, And obtaineth favour of the LORD.
In the verse where it states "And he shall rule over you ...", there are hebrew scholars who believe that the term "he" should be "it", not referring to the husband, but the woman's desire for her husband, meaning that the woman's desire for the perfect husband and mate will be a driving force in her life. This is very profound and an especially potent interpretation when you take into consideration Women's Psychology.
Of course she leaves out the part where God tells the man that he has to work hard and suffer to survive, even though it's the very next sentence. She's just a plain liar, mischaracterizing the Bible on purpose.
She is correct. She is pointing out that man is over the woman. The only reason women lead over men today is because the men allow it. Which goes against the teaching of the word of God. Look at the society that is against the word of God. It is broken.
God made us with slightly different roles and responsibilities, but that doesn't change the fact that they combine to make 1 beautiful flesh in marriage, making 1 superior to the other impossible, because there is now only 1 flesh, not 2. ✝️
No. Inequality was baked into the creation from the outset. Man tends the garden. The woman tends the gardener. His mission, she supports. Patriarchy is the plainly biblical model and attempts to get around that are merely different flavors of egalitarian COPE!
Don't ignore the man's plight, it wasn't a bowl of cherries after the fall either. What did God promise men? Yeah, hard work and sweat and troubles and a difficult time getting food.
& if someone says that the Bible puts men over women because one verse in Genesis said that Eve should be Adam’s partner… just know that back then it meant rescuer.
There are more than one verse. Can woman preach to men about God? Not according to the bible. Does the bible say anything about women should lead men? No. There is no verse that says men and women are equal. Equal means the same.
"The Bible tells us right at the beginning what they (the Patriarchy) believe a woman's status is." And she immediately skips over the beginning to the brokenness after the Fall And selectively read at that. I notice when she said "and the husband will rule over you" she just skipped over the part where it says "you will desire to rule over your husband" just like she skipped over the part about the man having to toil to get food. And never connects either problem with God's blessings in Genesis 1 to "be fruitful and multiply" and "bring the world under your dominion" and how now, because of sin, receiving those blessings would only come through great pain in childbirth for the woman and lifelong toil for the man.
I’d like to add it’s also a possibility when God says man shall rule over his wife, this is more cause and effect than a divine order from him. At least I think that’s possible, can’t say for certain
If she is thinking about the Order in a Christian family, according to Ephesians it's true.... Husband is the head, then comes the wife... because it was woman who ate the fruit first...very clear in Ephesians. And also Paul doesn't allow women to preach or be authoritative over men so in that case men and women are not equal. Otherwise we can say both are same image of God and loved by God equally. ...
And even though she ate first, and got Adam to do the same, she isn't the one held responsible. Romans 5 doesn't say "in EVE all die". Being the leader means you are responsible for your group.
Yes, I agree. The original plan was for man and wife to become "one". One mind, one body, one spirit, as we are one with Jesus. Jesus also states in the NT, "Know ye not that when a man and a woman marry, they become one? They are no longer two separate people, but one." They are "co-heirs" to the promise. If a man and wife are one, no one is master over the other. They act as one, think as one. Worship as one. We are to serve each other as Jesus serves us. His example was washing the feet of his disciples. If our God does this, can we not serve each other in this manner? My husband and I have been married for 41 years. No, it wasn't easy. It's a process. We let our pride get in the way sometimes, and do disagree. Now that we are in our 60s it's easier. We have grown together. On the major things we think and act as one. Don't let the world into your marriage. Both Adam and Eve were punished. Eve blamed the serpent. Adam blamed God for giving him the woman. So because they did not take responsibility for their actions. They were both punished.
I always found the claim that Christianity “subdued women” hard to square with a widespread tradition that called the Virgin Mary, a woman, the most perfect creature. To this day I still don’t see how those two match.
Hi Michael. I would highly suggest my research on 1 Timothy 2v11-15. I have a video regarding it on my channel. Or I am more than happy to send it to you in paper form (it is a bit more comprehensive). I sent it to Mike Winger, who said he would read it but instead just assumed my research and then strawmanned it as the cult or Artemis origin theory which i clearly rejected. Anyhow, feel free to let me know if it interests you. Wow! So many spelling errors. Had to fix that. 😮 Blessings in Christ!!
God did not really cursed either land or humanity. He just prophecied what our rebelion would cause. Genesis 3 is not what God ordered or wanted, but simple historical and cultural fact, that in the world of sin and lovelessness, might makes right, and men have way more might than women in physical criteria.
Equal in nature but have different roles as male and female. When Eve sinned, her punishment affected only women, but when Adam sinned his punishment affected the whole mankind. That's why the curse didn't come to Jesus as He was born of a woman only, without Adams bloodline. Etc.etc
@@reyis_here945 Both man and woman were created in the image of God, that's our nature, but Man was created as the spiritual head and woman as the support. Both are equally important and cannot work without each other. We have specific roles, many false teachers took it far left or far right but the truth is in the scriptures. Women can do most of the things men can, except a few spiritual listed in scriptures. And men can do most of the things women can, except a few physical like getting pregnant and things listed in scriptures. God gave a few things to men and a few things to women and only if they are one and in their roles they create harmony between them and true equality God intended for humanity. But if a man tries to get pregnant, that's crazy right? Men cannot fulfil the certain roles of women and women cannot fulfil the certain roles of men and spiritual person can understand it. Hope this blesses you my friend.
I like Mike, but on this topic, he is out of step with scripture. So I default to God, not Mr Winger. Whilst 1 Timothy 2:11-12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34 say a woman should be silent; the same author Paul writes in Romans 16 that Phoebe and the other women should lead and are worthy to lead. Mike argues that Deacons are not Priests, but he conveniently overlooks even a season cannot do that job if they remain silent. So because scripture does contradict, what we can take from these three letters is Paul is judging on merit not gender. In other words, THESE women should be silent, and THOSE women should lead. To read differently, is to make Paul either forgetful or schizophrenic.
@@polythenewrappedme6102 1. Mike isn't out of step with Scripture. I think about 40 hours on this subject, 95% of it just speaking about what the Scripture means, is good evidence of that. 2. Women are to be silent ...when the Church is judging prophecy. See that video. 3. Scripture doesn't contradict. 4. Women can lead ...but they can't be Elders.
@acem82. Where in scripture does it say women cannot be elders ? You are going to have to Book, Chapter and Verse, so I may read the context. But I can save you time by saying it is neither in the KJV nor NIV.
@@polythenewrappedme6102 Titus 1:5-9, 1 Timothy 2. If you're going to continue this argument, I encourage you to actually watch Mike Winger's video on 1 Timothy 2, which goes through *all* of the arguments. If you aren't willing to do that, then you apparently don't care enough to waste time arguing.
@acem82. I will gladly help a fellow brother in Christ. There is no prohibition in Titus. I have covered 1 Timothy 2 already. Paul was not sending a reply-all email. Paul was writing to specific churches to address their specific needs. One church, had an issue with idols, another church had an issue with circumcision, and so forth. Yes, some are generic. But where Paul teaches opposites, like in Romans 16, he is talking specifically. In the Church of England, a deacon is higher than a rector (priest). Paul, like God and like Jesus, treats people on merit, not gender. If God's ways are higher than man's, it must be a red flag when your interpretation paints God lower. That normally indicates a misunderstanding of scripture. Hope that helps.
“And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.” - 1 Timothy 2:12-14 NKJV It is not the will of God for both sexes to be totally equal
When people are restored they will be in the same position as Jesus as the sons and daughters of God. That time is far into the future but Jesus being the head is only temporary. That is how people work. They follow one man to become that man. Women follow men, and when they are restored they become equals to the man.
@@ToxicSkeptic Bull crap . In the garden Eve sinned and Adam gave up his position as Leader of his wife . That is why the womans desire will be to rule over her husband but her husband will rules over her . A woman will never be equal to a man for in Christ equality with God means order and that order will always be God is the head of Jesus Christ , Jesus Christ is the head of man and the man is the head of the woman . That is how it was before the fall of mankind and that is how it will always be after the transformation and for all eternity. For woman was taken out of man not the other way around.
God literally say I see he is lonely I will make a helper for him Iam confuse did women status change from helper to equal can someone explain to me Iam struggling with this.
Hey, I just read the things that you’re talking about so I’m going to try and help. In genesis one God is talking about how he created the earth and he was talking about how he created male and female equally in his image. Genesis 2 is zooming in on thatand talking about how the first woman came to be. God knew that he wanted both male and female, but Adam, realizing he needed a helper is what brought it into fruition. I hope this helps! God bless you!
Ive heard it like this, Men represent Gods strength and women represent Gods beauty and both display Gods love. When together you have the full picture of God.
I accept submissive women as a blessing from God… ”Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.“ 1 Peter 3:1-2 l
There's a reason why to be considered Educated, one used to have been conversant about the Bible.... It sad that such education, _even in the barest of basics,_ is removed from most public schools & education programs. Especially when other philosophies/history/sciences are still being considered essential education.
Good answer I never thought of it this way. Even as a believer in Christ, I was always suspicious about the Bibles view on woman. This reminds me that it was never meant to be like this 🙏
I understand her frustration because women have been raised to be independent, we don't need a man to take care of us, we need to be outspoken, be able to fight our own battles, protect ourselves, etc, then I read 1 Timothy 2:11-15. And for a brief yet telling moment, I got pissed off. But it also showed me that I have to work on my temper and issues with pride.
The funny thing is that women enforce this unconsciously. Think about it, how often do you hear women say they don't want a man who they can walk all over or can't lead them from a position of strength?
@@finchsparrowbird If you don't have the eyes to see, changing the people around you until they confirm your worldview will only satisfy your own biased beliefs, good luck with that
"though your desires will be contrary, your husband will rule over you." It was already like this. Adam was the first creation he had authority over Eve. Adam was punished for listening to his wife when he should have taken the lead by telling her no the Lord said not to. Men and women were never equal, we are different! Not inferior or superior, just different!
She forgot the part where men are too serve their wives, and love them like Jesus loves the church, and will die if need be to protect her. That a man that treats his wife poorly will not be welcomed into heaven. And that the Bible has a word used in context only for a wife... and God. What they don't want you to understand is that women benefit greatly from scripture being adhered to. Acting like women are treated poorly and we should throw off our shackles. Nope. We are to be cherished and protected.
Some people read the Bible like i read my calculus textbook:i expected to learn it all and become an expert in one go, but then i found one problem i couldn’t solve, quit the class and became an amathist
Sometimes, thinking for yourself just does't work. Scholarship, scholarship, scholarship! What is it that detractor nonbelievers, lay atheist and atheist influencers don't get about that?
You cannot sustain a worldview that is 2,000 years old without lying to yourself and surrendering all we have learned since then. Whoever calls a book “holy” makes it an idol. These kinds of arguments are not the way to God no matter which your favorite book is.
It's funny how much people have to breeze over content when criticizing the Bible. This is the same problem as critics point out in Ephesians 5:22-24 about wives submitting to their husbands, or Ephesians 6:5-8 about slaves submitting to their masters. But wait, there's more! Ephesians 5:25-30 also tells men to lay down their lives for their wives, and Ephesians 6:9 tells masters to stop mistreating their slaves. So too, after Genesis 3:16 says for women to be ruled by their husbands, Genesis 3:17-19 says men will work their butts off to provide for their family. Stop ripping out half-passages of the Bible as a proof-text to discredit it. You're not seeking truth; you're seeking an agenda.
It’s also worth noting that Genesis 3 is God telling them what WILL be the case moving forward (your desire will be fore your husband, to rule him, and yet he will rule over you), not necessarily God saying what SHOULD happen
I agree with him. Here's a question for you. How many kids did they have in Eden? Zero. They "knew" each other. They walked in the Garden for Years. Something changed.
She conveniently left out the part of the man having to toil over the earth from sun up to sun down.
I've heard from those like her that the man got off easy.
That's feminism for you.
😂😂😂
@@alphahuner1116 Only because they've never had tobdobthe work. I know women like that.
deception is the enemy's tactic for siding into their agenda
Somebody tell her most converts to Christianity during Roman persecution were women and that many women were persecuted by pagan parents and husbands because Christianity gave them a higher status
I remember one time having somebody try argue the world was better pagan, giving Vikings an example, only for me to have explain to him that it was in fact Vikings (referring to Early Medieval Norsemen, where Viking usually refers to their raiders only, but is used interchangeably) that had many women advocate for Christianity specifically because Christianity would have given more rights and heigher status to women than their prior situation.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 th-cam.com/video/a5Pk3BHGZ_I/w-d-xo.html
They refuse to marry pagan husbands set before them by their pagan parents aka redditor parents
@@cerebrummaximus3762 world as we know today is based on the philosophy of pagans. Biggest influence can be the philosophy of democracy itself and then german idealism was also hugely shaped by ancient pre Christian Philosophies.
Even manu Christians today admires stoicism and platonism and many high profile Christians calls themselves stoic
False. It's false and Infant it's other way around. History says otherwise. We all know what happened to Hypatia !
Men and women are equally loved in the eyes of God
well idk about that one, have you read the bible?
@@Son_of_zeusHave you? Or are you just going to regurgitate the same baseless claims about gender inequality that you guys always try and fail to defend?
@@JW.165 not my claims, the bible's claims.
bible on women
A wife is a man’s property: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17
Daughters can be bought and sold: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7
A raped daughter can be sold to her rapist: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Collecting wives and sex slaves is a sign of status: He [Solomon] had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 1 Kings 11:3
Used brides deserve death: If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21.
Women, but only virgins, are to be taken as spoils of war: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18
Menstruating women are spiritually unclean: 19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, . . . 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge. 31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[a] which is among them.’” Leviticus 15: 19-31
A woman is twice as unclean after giving birth to girl as to a boy: A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. ‘ 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. 6 ” ‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering. Leviticus 12: 1-8
A woman’s promise is binding only if her father or husband agrees: 2 When a man makes a vow to the LORD or takes an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said. 3 “When a young woman still living in her father’s household makes a vow to the LORD or obligates herself by a pledge 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. 5 But if her father forbids her when he hears about it, none of her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand; the LORD will release her because her father has forbidden her. . . . . A woman’s vow is meaningless unless approved by her husband or father. But if her husband nullifies them when he hears about them, then none of the vows or pledges that came from her lips will stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the LORD will release her. 13 Her husband may confirm or nullify any vow she makes or any sworn pledge to deny herself. Numbers 30:1-16
Women should be seen not heard: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34
Wives should submit to their husband’s instructions and desires: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Colossians 3:18
In case you missed that submission thing . . . : Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24.
More submission - and childbearing as a form of atonement: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15
Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10
Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4
@@JW.165
bible on women
A wife is a man’s property: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17
Daughters can be bought and sold: If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:7
A raped daughter can be sold to her rapist: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Collecting wives and sex slaves is a sign of status: He [Solomon] had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 1 Kings 11:3
Used brides deserve death: If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21.
Women, but only virgins, are to be taken as spoils of war: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18
Menstruating women are spiritually unclean: 19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 22 Anyone who touches anything she sits on will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, . . . 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge. 31 “‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place,[a] which is among them.’” Leviticus 15: 19-31
A woman is twice as unclean after giving birth to girl as to a boy: A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. ‘ 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. 6 ” ‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering. Leviticus 12: 1-8
A woman’s promise is binding only if her father or husband agrees: 2 When a man makes a vow to the LORD or takes an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said. 3 “When a young woman still living in her father’s household makes a vow to the LORD or obligates herself by a pledge 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. 5 But if her father forbids her when he hears about it, none of her vows or the pledges by which she obligated herself will stand; the LORD will release her because her father has forbidden her. . . . . A woman’s vow is meaningless unless approved by her husband or father. But if her husband nullifies them when he hears about them, then none of the vows or pledges that came from her lips will stand. Her husband has nullified them, and the LORD will release her. 13 Her husband may confirm or nullify any vow she makes or any sworn pledge to deny herself. Numbers 30:1-16
Women should be seen not heard: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34
Wives should submit to their husband’s instructions and desires: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Colossians 3:18
In case you missed that submission thing . . . : Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24.
More submission - and childbearing as a form of atonement: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15
Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10
Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4
@@Son_of_zeusyou just yapping bro
Love how they ignore the punishment given to man...
80% of men aren’t people. /s
Me me me me me.
If I wanted to marry a nag, I'd go down to a Stable.
You mean how the whole world is turned against men? Yeah its why nothing ever works out as planned and why terrible things just happen.
Because men don't need to be reminded. We live it everyday.
Men and women are equally important but not the same. Men have been given the responsibility to lead and protect women.
Yeah. In order to protect we must lead.
Nailed it 💯
Agree!! Equal in humanity and dignity but different in responsibility and capability.
So that means we aren't equal. Men have a greater responsibility than woken by your own admittance
Actually, love always protects so we are both meant to protect each other.
1corrinithians 13:4-7
Equal in value, but not in role or ability.
The roles do have equal value, bc men and women r equal. They r equal importance and value.
@@beliber6681 Nope. We have proved that society will run (albeit poorly) by outsourcing childcare to public schools. Try running society without roads, electricity, natural gas, plumbing, or homebuilding.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 women still run outsourced childcare and schooling, so even in a society where motherly roles r outsourced, women still provide those roles. and not to get too technical, but society did run without concrete roads, electricity, gas, and plumbing for thousands of years. i know men fulfilled other roles during those times, such as hunter, building all the structures by hand, protecting the community, leading, and over all fulfilling their duties as men. men r obviously important, but what i mean is that the roles we fulfill r much deeper than what we do in society, its about how the world needs both
men and women together to be for each other what God created us for. its how we feel the joyful fulfillment of the amazing world God has created. all im saying, its j the truth of God that men and women and equal and their roles have equal importance, and its sinful to believe otherwise.
@@beliber6681 Concrete in roads has existed for literally 2000 years, and was invented by the Romans. Regardless, I didn't say "concrete" roads, just roads. Civilization would not exist in any capacity without roads. Modern society would not exist in any capacity without electricity, gas, or plumbing, which is what I was referencing. Women are who we outsource child rearing to because that's what they choose, but men are just as capable in the profession. Prior to those things, men hunted food and protected the tribe. The tribe could exist with female captives who added nothing to the tribe, but without men, they would all be eaten by a predator or stolen by another tribe. That's not to say women are less valuable, only their roles.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 i meant anyone can make a dirt path, like in most civilizations through history have used. also, the romans used concrete to build structures, but not roads, bc it was very hard to produce. like i said, it is not biblical and it is sinful to think that men and women's roles do not have equal value. there r plenty of men throughout history and now who sit around not contributing anything, even biden in the white house j sits around all day waiting for ice cream. all the men throughout history who have done important things have been raised by
women, most them in a family unit where
they got both the important influence of a mom and dad. the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world, is the old saying, meaning both men and women accomplish great things together by women mothering the men who grow to be great, meaning they both accomplished something great.
She seems to forget or ignore the fact that the Bible states Adam is responsible for the fall
That is because the man rules over the woman. After they have broken Gods commandment. God calls out to Adam. where are you and question him because he is responsible.
@geewalker2015
Incorrect. Eve was tempted by the serpent, Adam was not. Adam acted entirely of his own volition and is therefore responsible for the fall.
@@geewalker2015
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17
2And the woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, lest you die.’ ”
Genesis 3:2-3
So here we see a discrepancy. God told Adam one thing but Eve tells the serpent something else. God says 'don't eat it' while Eve says they shouldn't touch it. Who told her not to touch it? God wouldn't because the law for one person is the same for all. The only person around who could have told her that is Adam. Right off the bat Adam is adding to the command of God which is the beginning of human religion. This opens a crack for Satan to deceive Eve.
6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
Genesis 3:6
Notice what this verse says: 'she gave also to her husband WITH HER.' Adam wasn't off somewhere doing something else while the serpent tempted Eve. He was with her watching the entire interaction and did nothing to stop it. Adam was tasked with defending the Garden and let the Enemy walk right in and lie to his wife while he watched. The entire ordeal, start to finish, is ADAM'S fault.
What? That is literally a blatant lie
@@gknight686 ”Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-“
Romans 5:12 NIV
It’s not a blatant lie. Read your Bible more
Glory to Jesus Christ
Glory for him forever
Micheal, we need to deal with the bots here 💀
Report them as you see them. That's what I do. I list them under spam and scams since that's what they're doing.
These bots are avidly wildin' 😭 😭
Bots, trolls, and gotcha comments lol.
I haven't seen any in today comment section
Yeah, but why?
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In Genesis 2:18, the literal Hebrew translation is : "It is not good for a man to be alone.
I will make him a helper who is his equal."
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:23 KJV)
@@jakeusaf9401 : Ok. The man is bigger, stronger, faster and in some ways smarter. It wouldn’t make sense for the woman to be the head of the family.
Unfortunately a lot of American women do not recognize the man as the head or even as an equal. They are in constant competition for power. And it only ends in tearing up the marriage.
But the couple is one flesh. Two sides of one coin. The couple needs to work together and bring out each other’s strengths rather than a “he’s the boss” attitude.
In my marriage of 35 years, I likened it to the constitution. We each have a few rules set in stone, and then we are free to grow and make our own decisions after that. And let me tell you, we are much better off than if I made all the decisions.
That doesn't mean the same responsibilities.
@@majorburke9735 we can’t expect American non believers to let their husbands be the head of the house hold but in a Godly relationship a man is supposed to be the head of the house hold
@@user-io9ie5cs8j in a Godly relationship the husband is the head of the household. That’s the way God designed it
Darn that peskily elusive basic reading comprehension!
Ever been to Tumblr?
@@E4439Qv5 I try not to go to that shadowy place.
@@ryanhoward8694 "You must never go there, Simba."
@@E4439Qv5Tiktok is actually worse but reddit is somewhere I wouldn't even banish criminals to
Yeah. Interesting how much money they spend on school and still only have rudimentary reading ability, huh?
Sadly I've found a lot of people don't care about what it means, they'd rather what fits the agenda.
Thanks for your hard work.
Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:23 KJV)
And Paul writes in the New Testament, "wives, submit to your husbands, as to the Lord; husbands, love your wives, as Christ loves the Church." Those are clear roles of how a husband and wife are to run their household.
"to me" or "for me" always a red flag
She was obviously only read those verses to create her own narrative.
"Man was not made for woman but woman for men"
Erm actually men and women were made for each other, and to classify one as superior to the other would be to criticize the symbiotic relationship between husband and wife. They work together, not independently. Not one for another, but as one whole.
@@treheron God says ..
1 Corinthians 11:9 "And man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man."
Verses 11 and 12 say "11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;
12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God."
This is showing that they're dependent on each other.
@@emanuelpascual3833no one argued against that, but the point still stands. Woman was made for man, not man for woman.
@@Eren-wj6uk do you even know what you’re implying when you say “woman was made for man.” You want to designate that women are only suppose to date men? Only suppose to listen to whatever their husband says, even if it’s abusive, and cold hearted? How are you gonna convert lesbians into liking men? You can’t force somebody to love somebody else. You’re a little bit lonely, aren’t ya? We can be friends, if you want.
Equal in value yes.
Equal in role no.
Awesome analysis. That's exactly what impressed me first time reading the Bible. "OH crap, you mean to tell me that we ladies WEREN'T created inferior? I was told we were. BUT this is saying that's just what people think because of how sin twists and distorts everything?... yeah, I'm on board. What else has this book got to tell me? Now that I'm being told I'm actually valued, perhaps I can be open- minded about the rest of it. I may have finally found the truth! Goodbye, Quran!"
Ya
Women have value.
Equal of mind and spirit.
The male heads over wife is more about leading I believe. There are so many almost seeming contradiction here.
I believe that men are the head of family.
But due to the call of human treatment
To love each other
The golden rule and many other points contend with it.
Basically demanding husbands to be a morall upright lead.
That treats his wife as he would want to be treated. It's quite contradiction at first glance
@r.a.panimefan2109 Yes, it was a big change after reading many different things. The difference in roles matters less than the value of the human being. I was a child who observed many biased, exist practices in the world, and the rationale for these things was usually some form of "girls are like animals, girls are less than, girls don't carry our society, etc. Some things like that happen to boys too, don't get me wrong! But it was way WAY more prevalent for violence to be enshrined and validated against women, at least in my youth. FGM in North Africa. Abandonment in Sparta and other aggressive cultures. Serial killer almost always target and do gory things to women. To top it off, a cult person in my early life said that since Eve was the first sinner, every bad thing that happened to every girl was our own fault and we bear the responsibility of the whole fall of man. That's why it's right to treat us like a tool or an empty hole shell. ... That was long ago. I decided to read every scripture book I could get my hands on when I was 17, so I could arm myself with what they REALLY say, not hearsay. So glad I did! Christian for 27 years now, and I have peace and am valued by God.
What does the qoran have with your point of view?😂
@dragongamer7846 because I read Quran first and tried to submit to it, but hated how Allah treated women. What a dope is Allah. He makes women, decides they are inferior, punishes them for being what he made them. Like a natural-born pouncing bag. And then he encourages Muslim men to see women that way and treat us like not even human. How would YOU feel if your creator said it is OK to beat YOU, not because you deeply sinned, but because your spouse is displeased?
Being a Christian, reading the Word and then going to church are simply never enough. People have to be taught the Word and what it means.
I lay this charge to the church for not knowing how to teach its own congregation well enough and preparing them, in my opinion. Without sitting under an anointed teacher of the Gospel can result in a lot of costly mistakes and gross misinterpretations and it just takes one uninformed, oversimplified TikTok to confuse a whole host of people.
Agreed. It seems that almost every single church these days is preaching lies or even overt heresy. The Catholic church almost looks benign compared to the travesty of megachurches
Not a problem in the Orthodox faith. Protestants departed from the full deposit of the faith and this is why you are tossed about to and fro
Matthew 22:1-14, "For many are called, but few are chosen" I believe refers to how many hear the Gospel message, but only few will believe. So, let " He how has ears to hear, let him hear"- Matthew 11:15 More is the pity for those that point to the Bible and say, "see!", rather that read it and try to understand...😔
@@martinvasquez818 this isn’t intended to be rude but do you have training in argumentation? Things like what are fallacies and such? For example saying “I believe this to mean x” has no bearing on what it actually means. There are millions of other people with different interpretations all saying I believe it says this. Who has authority to bind anyone to teaching? You might not know what a paradigm is but you cannot understand the scripture without a paradigm
The teaching of Biblical truth is supposed to be a multi-layered approach, beginning in the home with the father and mother, then the Church, school, community and nation. As the foundation breaks down, it crumbles the rest of the structure of teaching the Word, and we end up with this type of false teaching.
Well said ❤️🩹
Men have their roles and women have theirs in body of Christ
Yes, but men a the heads.
@@nikokapanen82 Only for the Holy Patriarchal. Not for men who worship at their own altars.
"Wives submit to your husbands as unto the Lord." Eph 5:22
"Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." 1 Pet 3:7
We just gonna ignore the complementarian teachings of the NT?
That's a good point
Paul had some good ideas, sure.
Please see Ephesians 5:21. Also from 1 Peter 3:7: They are co-heirs or "equal partners" even though she is physically weaker than him.
@@elibennett6168 Yep. "Weaker vessel" not "lesser vessel," a lot of people misunderstand that one.
@@elibennett6168They are not equal partners. The man is the head *as Christ is over the Church.*
Notice: he said husband and wife... not man and woman
Okay? What's your point?
@@user-cc5qu6jh2v couples are equal to one another... not men and woman
What are couples made up of? Oh yeah thats right a man and woman@reyis_here945
@@jasontrevorhaye and what is a "couple"?
@@reyis_here945 A union of one man and one woman.
As David Pawson says, men are to lead, not dictate.
There is also to take into account wives are to submit to their husbands and husbands are to love their wives. That of course doesn’t give a man a license for cruelty or brutality towards his wife.
Yerp, it’s almost like God originally intended for nurturing relationships, but cultural perceptions, as well as social media, has put cheating/and “hook-up culture.” Into the limelight. I’m aware brutality/adultery has been a precipice since the dawn of man, but that gives us no excuse to perpetuate a careless society that results in single mothers, absent fathers, and a child with a broken home. The children of today will in time be the leading generation, what example are we setting?
Right, just as the woman is to submit, the man is to "love your wife as Christ loved the church and GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER." As a husband who failed miserably at that, I am now beginning to understand the level of sacrifice I must have in order to obey God.
@@reubenkriegel7639it's easier with a wife who understands her proper role as the Lesser Vessel. My wife quoted 1 Peter 3 to me as a criticism and asked me whether I was the Lesser Vessel or if she was.
That was the moment I realized I had been mistreating her our whole marriage by expecting from her what I would expect from another man. I was not treating her as a precious, weaker vessel, I treating her like a man and expecting her to respond and behave like a man.
To even, more seriously, love their wives *as Christ loved the Church* . That is a heavy, sober , all-life-giving, agape love. What a charge, indeed!
Doesn't the text also say that husbands should likewise submit to their wives.
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
LOL
And when you call him out on that last one he says “it’s actually 9” 😂
Middle east is wild haha @@Itsmerveille125
Muhamed is NOT prophesized in the BIble.
@@applefarm6126 Did you read the comment?
This is amazing, IP!
I feel like its important to note that Adam also gets a punishment, which I believe was to constantly till the ground until the day he inevitably dies. This shows that God held both of them equally accountable for their actions. No double standards in the eyes of God. Everyone is guilty.
Working and suffering and possibly dying to continue human existence are different
@@jasontrevorhaye ,
You must have a desk job, or you're a couch potato.
@@jasontrevorhaye Pain in childbirth does not equate to death. Both are pretty bad. I'm not saying that one is objectively worse than the other.
@@thesnatcher3616 giving birth can kill you
@@jasontrevorhayeMales aren’t designed to give birth, or carry a human being inside them.
"Yasss Queen." - 1 Timothy 2:12
Jordan Peterson has a great commentary on the line Man shall rule over their wives. It’s not an imposition by God. Is just a fact of what man will do in a fallen world due to sin. So the girl in the video misunderstands.
Lemme guess, it has something to do with lobsters, right?
@@HangrySaturn No it’s what I said in my comment.
@@HangrySaturn
Let me guess? It has something to do with your appeal to ridicule fallacy because you’re so triggered by Peterson - right? Cope!!
@@georgedoyle2487 To be honest, the only triggered people around here are the ones using multiple exclamation points and buzzwords like "cope" and "triggered". I committed no fallacy as I was in no debate, and I have nothing against Jordan Peterson.
@@HangrySaturn
“The only triggered people around here”
“are using multiple exclamation points”
SMOKESCREEN!! Look up trivial objections fallacy and appeal to hypocrisy fallacy - right?
CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!!
Equal in value before God, of course, not necessarily in roles or capabilities.
You're confusing being equal and being the same.
Nope. Complementarians preach equal = different (which is the opposite to same) but complementary. A definition not found in scripture nor the dictionary. So it is made up !
@danielboone
The issue is that God sees us as equals in value and capabilities, especially equal when it comes to being able to think rationally, logically and judge ( as much as any human is capable to do so) correctly. However, complementarians usually don't think that. Let's not confuse physical capabilities with other ones.
Yes, men and women are different, but not as much as we think they are, and nit necessarily in ways we think they are.
@@mimimimz6719 I don't think that's true either. Men and women have real differences in various types of cognitive abilities and so each sex is generally suited better to different types of tasks.
@@danielboone8256
You, of course, are allowed to have different opinions from others. However, what you think is not necessarily factual.
I was taught what this women believes in my Catholic high school.
Please do a video about the source of these biblical misconceptions, strange how some run so deep!
the bible doesn’t say man is incomplete without woman, some are not meant for marriage.
I'm not disagreeing by any means, because Jesus even said that some people are meant to stay single essentially
Matthew 19:9-12 KJV
[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. [10] His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. [11] But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. [12] For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
But also consider
Proverbs 18:22 KJV
[22] Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, And obtaineth favour of the LORD.
@@robertschultz9623 ya but not “incomplete”
Thanks for what you do, IP.
Roles are not the same as status.
The whole Bible is like this! Especially during and after Jesus came. Thank you!!!!!! This is progress and progression.
In the verse where it states "And he shall rule over you ...", there are hebrew scholars who believe that the term "he" should be "it", not referring to the husband, but the woman's desire for her husband, meaning that the woman's desire for the perfect husband and mate will be a driving force in her life. This is very profound and an especially potent interpretation when you take into consideration Women's Psychology.
Of course she leaves out the part where God tells the man that he has to work hard and suffer to survive, even though it's the very next sentence. She's just a plain liar, mischaracterizing the Bible on purpose.
She is correct. She is pointing out that man is over the woman. The only reason women lead over men today is because the men allow it. Which goes against the teaching of the word of God. Look at the society that is against the word of God. It is broken.
God made us with slightly different roles and responsibilities, but that doesn't change the fact that they combine to make 1 beautiful flesh in marriage, making 1 superior to the other impossible, because there is now only 1 flesh, not 2. ✝️
WE are still in a fallen state
Eve wasn’t made from Adam’s head to rule over him, nor his feet to be trampled by him, but from his rib to be equal to him.
No. Inequality was baked into the creation from the outset. Man tends the garden. The woman tends the gardener. His mission, she supports. Patriarchy is the plainly biblical model and attempts to get around that are merely different flavors of egalitarian COPE!
The Bible tells us men and women r equal. Different roles, but the roles r of equal importance and value.
@@beliber6681 yes, this is important to point out, thank you
Women have been described as powerful in ways that men are not. Just read Proverbs 31.
Read about the Prophetess Deborah and the Queen Esther.
Women definitely play a role but are still required to submit to their husbands.
@@robertschultz9623Only if their husbands love them as Christ loves the Church. Most men are sadly lost to their unholy patriarchy 😢
Dogs are also powerful in ways humans are not. Doesn't mean we see them as equals
@@Trey5S5S Very obvious difference, but women are human beings, unlike dogs.
@@finchsparrowbirdNope that is wrong, even if their husbands are unbelievers she is to submit herself 1 Peter 3. Submission is not conditional.
Don't ignore the man's plight, it wasn't a bowl of cherries after the fall either. What did God promise men? Yeah, hard work and sweat and troubles and a difficult time getting food.
& if someone says that the Bible puts men over women because one verse in Genesis said that Eve should be Adam’s partner… just know that back then it meant rescuer.
There are more than one verse. Can woman preach to men about God? Not according to the bible. Does the bible say anything about women should lead men? No. There is no verse that says men and women are equal. Equal means the same.
@@geewalker2015 So you pretty much ignored the video?
Partner? Rescuer? Says who?
@@rlyle5804The Talmud, love. You know, the *original scripture* .
@@finchsparrowbird The TORAH, love, is the original Scripture. The Talmud is a commentary. Would you like to try again?
"The Bible tells us right at the beginning what they (the Patriarchy) believe a woman's status is."
And she immediately skips over the beginning to the brokenness after the Fall
And selectively read at that. I notice when she said "and the husband will rule over you" she just skipped over the part where it says "you will desire to rule over your husband" just like she skipped over the part about the man having to toil to get food. And never connects either problem with God's blessings in Genesis 1 to "be fruitful and multiply" and "bring the world under your dominion" and how now, because of sin, receiving those blessings would only come through great pain in childbirth for the woman and lifelong toil for the man.
Cherry picking scriptures is like editing a video, you can make anything look like something it's not.
We are equal before God but we are not equal in terms of our abilities or proclivities.
It doesnt need the bible to prove that.
I’d like to add it’s also a possibility when God says man shall rule over his wife, this is more cause and effect than a divine order from him. At least I think that’s possible, can’t say for certain
If she is thinking about the Order in a Christian family, according to Ephesians it's true.... Husband is the head, then comes the wife... because it was woman who ate the fruit first...very clear in Ephesians. And also Paul doesn't allow women to preach or be authoritative over men so in that case men and women are not equal. Otherwise we can say both are same image of God and loved by God equally. ...
Yes both have equal value, but do not have equal roles, rather we have complementary roles.
And even though she ate first, and got Adam to do the same, she isn't the one held responsible. Romans 5 doesn't say "in EVE all die". Being the leader means you are responsible for your group.
Bumping dat algorithm one comment at a time💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Not to mention she stopped ready right before the men’s punishment… how convenient
All over the New Testament it says that women should be subjected to their husband's authority.
But men are still the "captain" of the team in the relationship Eph 5:23.
Yes, I agree. The original plan was for man and wife to become "one". One mind, one body, one spirit, as we are one with Jesus.
Jesus also states in the NT, "Know ye not that when a man and a woman marry, they become one? They are no longer two separate people, but one."
They are "co-heirs" to the promise. If a man and wife are one, no one is master over the other. They act as one, think as one. Worship as one.
We are to serve each other as Jesus serves us. His example was washing the feet of his disciples. If our God does this, can we not serve each other in this manner?
My husband and I have been married for 41 years. No, it wasn't easy. It's a process. We let our pride get in the way sometimes, and do disagree. Now that we are in our 60s it's easier. We have grown together. On the major things we think and act as one. Don't let the world into your marriage.
Both Adam and Eve were punished. Eve blamed the serpent. Adam blamed God for giving him the woman. So because they did not take responsibility for their actions. They were both punished.
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
I always found the claim that Christianity “subdued women” hard to square with a widespread tradition that called the Virgin Mary, a woman, the most perfect creature.
To this day I still don’t see how those two match.
Hi Michael. I would highly suggest my research on 1 Timothy 2v11-15. I have a video regarding it on my channel. Or I am more than happy to send it to you in paper form (it is a bit more comprehensive). I sent it to Mike Winger, who said he would read it but instead just assumed my research and then strawmanned it as the cult or Artemis origin theory which i clearly rejected. Anyhow, feel free to let me know if it interests you. Wow! So many spelling errors. Had to fix that. 😮 Blessings in Christ!!
God did not really cursed either land or humanity. He just prophecied what our rebelion would cause. Genesis 3 is not what God ordered or wanted, but simple historical and cultural fact, that in the world of sin and lovelessness, might makes right, and men have way more might than women in physical criteria.
Equal in God's eyes different roles in old and new testaments
Grown adults, in this day and age, taking this as fact is embarrassing
Equal in nature but have different roles as male and female. When Eve sinned, her punishment affected only women, but when Adam sinned his punishment affected the whole mankind. That's why the curse didn't come to Jesus as He was born of a woman only, without Adams bloodline. Etc.etc
Would the be equal in spirit... not nature then
@@reyis_here945 Both man and woman were created in the image of God, that's our nature, but Man was created as the spiritual head and woman as the support. Both are equally important and cannot work without each other. We have specific roles, many false teachers took it far left or far right but the truth is in the scriptures. Women can do most of the things men can, except a few spiritual listed in scriptures. And men can do most of the things women can, except a few physical like getting pregnant and things listed in scriptures. God gave a few things to men and a few things to women and only if they are one and in their roles they create harmony between them and true equality God intended for humanity. But if a man tries to get pregnant, that's crazy right? Men cannot fulfil the certain roles of women and women cannot fulfil the certain roles of men and spiritual person can understand it. Hope this blesses you my friend.
Equal in value, not necessarily in role.
Watch Mike Winger's ridiculously long video series if you disagree.
I like Mike, but on this topic, he is out of step with scripture. So I default to God, not Mr Winger.
Whilst 1 Timothy 2:11-12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34 say a woman should be silent; the same author Paul writes in Romans 16 that Phoebe and the other women should lead and are worthy to lead. Mike argues that Deacons are not Priests, but he conveniently overlooks even a season cannot do that job if they remain silent. So because scripture does contradict, what we can take from these three letters is Paul is judging on merit not gender. In other words, THESE women should be silent, and THOSE women should lead. To read differently, is to make Paul either forgetful or schizophrenic.
@@polythenewrappedme6102 1. Mike isn't out of step with Scripture. I think about 40 hours on this subject, 95% of it just speaking about what the Scripture means, is good evidence of that.
2. Women are to be silent ...when the Church is judging prophecy. See that video.
3. Scripture doesn't contradict.
4. Women can lead ...but they can't be Elders.
@acem82. Where in scripture does it say women cannot be elders ? You are going to have to Book, Chapter and Verse, so I may read the context. But I can save you time by saying it is neither in the KJV nor NIV.
@@polythenewrappedme6102 Titus 1:5-9, 1 Timothy 2.
If you're going to continue this argument, I encourage you to actually watch Mike Winger's video on 1 Timothy 2, which goes through *all* of the arguments.
If you aren't willing to do that, then you apparently don't care enough to waste time arguing.
@acem82. I will gladly help a fellow brother in Christ.
There is no prohibition in Titus.
I have covered 1 Timothy 2 already.
Paul was not sending a reply-all email. Paul was writing to specific churches to address their specific needs. One church, had an issue with idols, another church had an issue with circumcision, and so forth. Yes, some are generic. But where Paul teaches opposites, like in Romans 16, he is talking specifically. In the Church of England, a deacon is higher than a rector (priest).
Paul, like God and like Jesus, treats people on merit, not gender.
If God's ways are higher than man's, it must be a red flag when your interpretation paints God lower. That normally indicates a misunderstanding of scripture.
Hope that helps.
That equal society has destroyed the family structure.
The moment she introduced "power dynamics" I could tell where she was going.
“And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.”
- 1 Timothy 2:12-14 NKJV
It is not the will of God for both sexes to be totally equal
1. It tells about pastoral roles in the Church.
2. Eve was deceived by the serpent. Adam was not. Adam is to blame still. Romans 5:12.
"Totally equal"?
So, you do get it.
Ah, finally! A Christian who openly embraces the sexism as reported in the Bible!
@@HangrySaturn
You should get help for your reading comprehension difficulties.
@@utopiabuster Pretty sure that's you man.
"It is not the will of God for both sexes to be totally equal"
Adam also had his own punishment for sinning against God. Intense labor and forgery
You can be equal but not the same.
For the algorithm
Nope the man is the head of the wife as Jesus is the head of the husband and is to have complete authority over and be in submission .
When people are restored they will be in the same position as Jesus as the sons and daughters of God. That time is far into the future but Jesus being the head is only temporary.
That is how people work. They follow one man to become that man. Women follow men, and when they are restored they become equals to the man.
@@ToxicSkeptic Bull crap . In the garden Eve sinned and Adam gave up his position as Leader of his wife . That is why the womans desire will be to rule over her husband but her husband will rules over her . A woman will never be equal to a man for in Christ equality with God means order and that order will always be God is the head of Jesus Christ , Jesus Christ is the head of man and the man is the head of the woman . That is how it was before the fall of mankind and that is how it will always be after the transformation and for all eternity. For woman was taken out of man not the other way around.
Uh..no. We are to be together. It's God, Husband, WIfe, Child (if children present)
@@misha-elministries5246 yes men and woman are diffrent to each other... but not in the eyes of god
@@reyis_here945 Your right on that one . If you sin God will punish both of you male and female.
If you want to be a victim, you will find an excuse.
Yeah modern feminists love playing oppression olympics.
They always remember the husband owning the wife’s body, but never remember the wife owning the husbands body
God literally say I see he is lonely I will make a helper for him Iam confuse did women status change from helper to equal can someone explain to me Iam struggling with this.
I finish watching the video and release it sry I found the answer thx I really needed this.
@@Believe--.. But God also said that He is "Helper",is it mean something bad? no
Being a helper is a good thing though, this doesn't depreciate anyone
Hey, I just read the things that you’re talking about so I’m going to try and help. In genesis one God is talking about how he created the earth and he was talking about how he created male and female equally in his image. Genesis 2 is zooming in on thatand talking about how the first woman came to be. God knew that he wanted both male and female, but Adam, realizing he needed a helper is what brought it into fruition. I hope this helps! God bless you!
We are equal in Value, women are not less loved by God, or less than men.
1 minute 19 views. IP fell off hard.
Wait till everyone finishes work
No, It's not a competition. He's spreading the Word he's not here to keep up with social media status.
That's on youtube
Duh fuq is dis suppose to mean?
Ive heard it like this, Men represent Gods strength and women represent Gods beauty and both display Gods love. When together you have the full picture of God.
One thing I learn is that some people are illiterate but MANY are Aliterate. Especially when it comes to the only True GOD.
I accept submissive women as a blessing from God…
”Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.“
1 Peter 3:1-2 l
There's a reason why to be considered Educated, one used to have been conversant about the Bible....
It sad that such education, _even in the barest of basics,_ is removed from most public schools & education programs.
Especially when other philosophies/history/sciences are still being considered essential education.
Women confuse order with value.
What about in Ephesians where Paul says for wives to submit to their husband. And the husband is the head of the wife?
Since people dont like, it it doesnt count.
@@rlyle5804
They don't like Paul telling women to be silent in church either, they do like to skip over that verse too
She was made to help him. I am not arguing equality. Different. Should be together.
Good answer I never thought of it this way. Even as a believer in Christ, I was always suspicious about the Bibles view on woman. This reminds me that it was never meant to be like this 🙏
Didn't somebody once say 'know your limitations?'
You can just tell she'll never be happy.
The Fallen state is never fully rectified in this world. That's why Paul says bishops, deacons, and preachers should be men.
The woman was a helpmate. In the New testament it says the man is the head of the wife just as Christ as the head of the church.
I understand her frustration because women have been raised to be independent, we don't need a man to take care of us, we need to be outspoken, be able to fight our own battles, protect ourselves, etc, then I read 1 Timothy 2:11-15. And for a brief yet telling moment, I got pissed off. But it also showed me that I have to work on my temper and issues with pride.
The funny thing is that women enforce this unconsciously. Think about it, how often do you hear women say they don't want a man who they can walk all over or can't lead them from a position of strength?
Tarring everyone with the same brush? Sounds like you need to change your social circles... 🤔😕
@@finchsparrowbird If you don't have the eyes to see, changing the people around you until they confirm your worldview will only satisfy your own biased beliefs, good luck with that
Plenty of women want a .an who leads the family. It is a fact it has evolutionary reasons for this preference
It all just depends on what "equal" means to a person
Paul also teaches us that women are to be Obedient to their Husbands.
It has never changed from the beginning of Creation.
The curses don’t end until the New Jerusalem.
"though your desires will be contrary, your husband will rule over you."
It was already like this. Adam was the first creation he had authority over Eve. Adam was punished for listening to his wife when he should have taken the lead by telling her no the Lord said not to. Men and women were never equal, we are different! Not inferior or superior, just different!
5 pillars of islam:
1. PEDOPHILIA (sura 65.4, Bukhari 5133)
2. MUT’AH MARRIAGE (sura 4.24)
3. HALALA MARRIAGE (sura 2.230)
4. ADULTBREASTFEEDING (Sahih Muslim 8:3425)
5. TAQIYYA (sura 16.106, 3.28, Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857)
Now show and compare the horrible things of Christianity 😊
@@jasontrevorhaye
Thank you for admitting that islam has horrible things 😂
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris you shared them. I guess maybe I should have verified your comment to make sure you were telling the truth
Did she forget about Mary. The one chosen by God to bring Jesus in the world. One of the most important and respected women in the Bible.
She forgot the part where men are too serve their wives, and love them like Jesus loves the church, and will die if need be to protect her. That a man that treats his wife poorly will not be welcomed into heaven. And that the Bible has a word used in context only for a wife... and God. What they don't want you to understand is that women benefit greatly from scripture being adhered to. Acting like women are treated poorly and we should throw off our shackles. Nope. We are to be cherished and protected.
Some people read the Bible like i read my calculus textbook:i expected to learn it all and become an expert in one go, but then i found one problem i couldn’t solve, quit the class and became an amathist
Sometimes, thinking for yourself just does't work.
Scholarship, scholarship, scholarship!
What is it that detractor nonbelievers, lay atheist and atheist influencers don't get about that?
You cannot sustain a worldview that is 2,000 years old without lying to yourself and surrendering all we have learned since then.
Whoever calls a book “holy” makes it an idol.
These kinds of arguments are not the way to God no matter which your favorite book is.
@@BeachsideHank,
Wow!
Another pre-school atheist.
Opinions are fallacious.
Generalizations are fallacious.
Thanks for playing wilfully malinformed.
@@utopiabuster Ahhh, a science denier.
The purpose of science is not to validate ignorance, but to overcome it.
@BeachsideHank ,
So, aside from your other faults, you believe you can read minds.
Thanks for playing with pseudoscience.
@@utopiabuster
There is no such thing as "believing" in science, there is only understanding it.
It's funny how much people have to breeze over content when criticizing the Bible. This is the same problem as critics point out in Ephesians 5:22-24 about wives submitting to their husbands, or Ephesians 6:5-8 about slaves submitting to their masters. But wait, there's more! Ephesians 5:25-30 also tells men to lay down their lives for their wives, and Ephesians 6:9 tells masters to stop mistreating their slaves. So too, after Genesis 3:16 says for women to be ruled by their husbands, Genesis 3:17-19 says men will work their butts off to provide for their family.
Stop ripping out half-passages of the Bible as a proof-text to discredit it. You're not seeking truth; you're seeking an agenda.
It’s also worth noting that Genesis 3 is God telling them what WILL be the case moving forward (your desire will be fore your husband, to rule him, and yet he will rule over you), not necessarily God saying what SHOULD happen
So God deliberately makes things happen that SHOULDn't happen?
She is very ingenious
I agree with him. Here's a question for you. How many kids did they have in Eden? Zero. They "knew" each other. They walked in the Garden for Years. Something changed.
Equal before God, but still in a hierarchy. Don't forget that part.