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I’m not a supporter of Stadia’s model but I’m on the U.K. with 191Mbps download and no caps on how much data I use. I think the problem is that the service is not enough like Netflix for people like me to buy.
These google employees do not get it. Its not about having it on the cloud., but if shit happens, if Stadia folds, will all purchased products be compensated? Will Stadia be big enough to compete with the big players.. we've seen many google products falter after a couple of years or so
I agree, but sad to say that are always google fanboys who will play ... Bet on launch date google will have on the Chrome Page "get stadia....." So a few will fall for it, hope that will not be enought and we will get rid of Stadia.
satalia Nah, there are still fools and idiots who are so into Google products that they would buy anything from them like Google glasses, I still remember that fiasco.
I mean, I have a really hard time pitying toxic people being banned from gaming with others online. That doesn't seem like something worth whinging about, it seems more like an opportunity to become a better person who doesn't say bannable crap to people.
@@Velkhana22 Regardless of how toxic a person is, if they spent $60 to buy something, a company should not be allowed to revoke their purchase (especially without refunding their money). Imagine if any other service provider tried that shit. Oops, Samsung is gonna lock my phone because I said a swear!
This is an extremist position, some companies exist since decades, centuries in case of nintendo, they are stable and are not famous for abandoning projects like google is. Plus you can always buy a giant hd and install locally all your games, if you really want.
@@skrotosd That solution isnt perfect though, since say if steam died, then even if you had all the games downloaded you couldn't play them since most have steam DRM that needs the service running and some are online only
@@misakamikoto8785 nah man don't Break the law All those companies can Go fuck themselves but they don't Break the law... yet and when they do they will pay i Hope
Xbox is exactly the same way; piss them off and you lose access to the stuff you've bought from them. I wouldn't be surprised if the same applies to most platforms, actually.
@@pauldank3453 They don't break the law, they BEND it. "Oh, copyright says that shit is yours? Wait, I'll just pay someone.... Poof, copyright says it's mine now."
Keyword: OWNERSHIP. With OWNERSHIP comes CONTROL. Corporations will invest infinite resources into this and they'll never stop. It's everything to them.
@@FrostGlader Not really. Corporations don't really care about the customer, or the integrity of the product they peddle, they only care about making money. If they can make you pay full price to use a bunch of ones and zeroes, that saves them a bunch of money they would normally have to spend on printing and distribution. If they manage to get rid of physical media entirely, do you honestly believe they wont lock your games to your systems ISP so you have to buy them again if your machine takes a shit, hold your entire library hostage with monthly cloud storage fees, and modify or delete games you've already purchased because they decided not to support it anymore, or just want you to buy the new extreme edition. All of that is entirely possible, we've seen small hints of it already, and the only reason they haven't gone that far already is because solid media still exists and thye don't want to tip their hand to early. Once the option to buy physical copies is no longer an issue, you can bet they're going to start tightening down, because that's just how business works.
I do honestly feel for the people who have no choice to, like kids who may have gotten it for a gift. If you like it, that's fine, but there'll be people out there who are disappointed - and if it ends up folding, well...
Instead of answering the question, he responds with an incredible amount of condescension. Whenever someone does not answer your question, I have learned overwhelmingly, the answer is the one they know you do not want to hear.
Any answer they could have given wouldn't be one we'd want to hear, as that would be admitting this thing isn't really for anyone. Except maybe for the greedy AAA publishers to jerk off to the idea of being paid for basically nothing.
@m_hicks12 Even Steam allows you to play in offline mode, provided you downloaded the game prior to the internet loss. so if Stadia can't even achieve that, then it's dead on arrival.
@m_hicks12 Hey, if physical works for you, that's great. But I know I don't have space for 1000 game discs, not including what I might buy in the future
Imagine Nintendo busting down your door, to confiscate your 30 year old Mario & Nintendo Games & systems because your right to own them expired last month. LOL
I feel you man. I have 300+ hours in Skyrim, 250+ hours in The Witcher 3 and 400+ hours in Assassin's Creed Odyssey. I would be broke if I tried that on Stadia😅
I have premium internet, but I live in a high-traffic area so my speeds fluctuate like the pulse of a man with a faulty pacemaker. Never mind just the cost-even with the best connections, you can’t guarantee that the game just won’t disconnect because you fall under a certain speed. Google’s promise isn’t worth a bent penny to me when there are literally several readily available storefronts that I can actually go to and own the game in some form.
@@The3rdTurd don't underestimate detachment from reality of average casual - they will keep throwing money at it without second thought because "convenience", one of friends of mine is like that, dictionary definition of casual who doesn't know what's happening around in gaming at all, being happy with "no mans sky" at launch and so on
I hope so, because if it is successful there will be copycats. Granted streaming games isn’t anything new and to pull what Google are doing the competitor would need a similar sort of infrastructure, but that’s not going to stop companies trying. Netflix has started losing a bit of money, and the oncoming Disney streaming service (and the rest) means that you’ll have to start using their service to watch their shows. That’s what is going to happen if this catches on; why give an outside party the license to your game when you can make your own platform. Granted Google have just made a neutered Xbox Live/PSN service, but if this catches on someone else will make it “better”.
-I still have my Sega Dreamcast from years ago, with the games... Sega no longer supports it or sales it, but I can plug it in and Play the games like nothing happened. -If everything is in the cloud, What the hell do you do then when the cloud just disappears?
I still own ALL my consoles back to the original nes. I have a bookshelf full of physical games that I can play whenever I get the urge. Y'all can keep your cloud gaming.... I'm going to play Contra with the 30 life code.
Steam literally says you dont own the game, you just buy a license to play it. If youre bitching about this idea with stadia, then you should bitch about it with steam too since its literally exactly the same. Both Steam and a publisher can revoke your rights to play a steam game with no reason, explanation, or any warning.
@@MilkySubstance a publisher on steam has 0 rights to revoke your rights to a game on steam. not even the gov has, as there were cases of games being pulled from steam because of Licence/censorship, but if you already owned them in your library, they stay there
@@MilkySubstance Half correct on the revoke your right argument. If you already have the game in your library, you can still download and play the game despite the game no longer on the store except the few games with an always-online connection where the publisher/developers could kill the games indefinitely by turning the servers off but at least you can crack the games somehow. Physical games aren't perfect either where you require to download the patch or the rest of the game files to get them to work.
@@slashrocks19801, Well most people who saw what 'The Liar' was talking about when it released, the Fallout 4 Settlement building system that is, was plagued with a blocking "you can't place an item here" 'red menace'. Making mods like 'Place Anywhere' and others a necessity if you wanted to play with the building system.
I mean, it’s not a lie, per se, it just doesn’t work well-it’s like building “up to code” or literally anything the FDA does nowadays. Not a lie, but barely the truth
@@ciridaehunter2601, "Building 'up to code'" Don't even get me started on that subject. The apartment building I reside at; Was built in the 70's, remodeled in the early 2000's, and there is a water heater installation that is so far 'out there' that; After 3 different times it flooded my bedroom, it was replaced and they had to dig a well like hole into the buildings foundation just to prevent further floods.
Looking back, how dumb to people sound now when they used to say the same thing about streaming TV. Everyone bitched and moaned about it,. said streaming would fail, said it would always be laggy or low quality because our internet wouldnt be fast enough to use it. How many people vowed and declared they would never use a streaming service and would only ever buy and watch DVDs for the rest of their lives because they didnt trust streaming services. How retarded do those people sound now.
@@MilkySubstance Yong already addressed this in the video. The interactive nature and data size of games is far above and beyond anything music or movies could ever require. Stadias only benefits are not needing "expensive" hardware and being able to use it on practically any device. Other than that.. it's just a sad offer. FYI I live in the netherlands and have an 250mbps internet connection, on top of me being an IT Engineer and thus set up my own network so the connection part isn't a problem for me.
@@NLRikkert Adressing it or not Yong isnt a technical expert on the subject. I enjoy watching him because I think hes likable and he covers gaming news well most of the time, but hes definitely not someone whos relatively baseless opinion I'm going to just go along with because hes on youtube. 15 years ago we were still using 8mb memory sticks in a playstation. 5 years ago streaming a movie on 4k through a streaming service was widely said to be completely impossible and never going to happen due to internet restrictions. Both of those opinions are laughable now. Whether or not Stadia itself is successful is to be seen, its pricing model is pretty shitty to be honest, given you have to purchase a Stadia itself, its subscription fee, AND full price for the game. Game streaming though will be just fine. With Stadia coming soon, Microsoft announcing their own game streaming service (which looks far better and more promising than Stadia already), and undoubtably a Sony streaming service coming with next gen there will be plenty of options for people to choose from. Everyone on here denouncing game streaming though and saying it will fail are completely deluded. Dedicated gamers like people who come to Yongs channel for news arent the target market for game streaming anyway. 10 years ago, how many people did you know had bought and watched every season of friends? Every season of the Office? How many people bought DVDs at all? (Personal preference but you get my point). It pales in comparison to the number of people who own streaming services today, with services like Netflix being household essentials for most people, who now have everyone of of those shows and more at their fingertips. Netflix we'rent targeting the DVD collectors market alone, they wernt going after people who bought and watched every show they wanted already, it was everyone else they wanted, and now everyone else uses their service. Game streaming will be the same. It might not reach the same audience as TV streaming obviously, since gaming is a much more niche market, but there is a massive and untapped potential market of people out there who cant be fucked with games now because they dont want to waste money on a console, or drop thousands on a gaming PC. Look at how massive the mobile gaming market has become in recent years. Thats the level of casual gamer that streaming can and will target, and if it even pulls a fraction of that market it will be massively profitable.
@@MilkySubstance Yong might not be an expert, but as I said Im an IT Engineer and a large part of my job is configuring and testing cloud services (which streaming is a part of). And I know from experience this will not work as intended in cases where large anounts of data in transfered, even with 250+ mbps connection speeds and no data caps. But even besides the point of stable conmections and such, the entire proposition is rather awful, especially from a financial and ownership viewpoint. If you have faith in Stadia, by all means go ahead and make your purchase. But if you think this massive outcry, both by gamers and people who work/research this for a living, os fueled by ignorant fools, you sir are making a mistake. Do feel free to come back to this comment in a few months or so, and I'd love to discuss the end result. If I am wrong and this will be a long term succes, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Though my knowledge and personal experience tell me I wont be.
I think Stadia is DoA because of two simple reasons: 1. You have to purchase the full game to ONLY play through streaming. 2. Not a lot of people have fiber/high speed internet besides important cities and whatnot (I'm in a 30k pop city and there's no fiber here).
I live in Germany with 500mbps internet (always tests slightly higher than 500)... I did Stadia's connection test several times and the highest it tested at was 98mpbs. I was never going to buy it, but good luck to people who have like 50mbps only to discover that while they have the speeds google says it requires ...they really dont.
Lol i live just outside a major city, Portsmouth in a little town about 160k people anf you know what out download speed on steam never exceeds 5MB/s it's shit here
@@doccomeau2770 even games leave Game Pass all the time. Now, arguably. The games last a lot longer than some movies on Netflix and the xbox exclusives stay but AAA titles leave game pass a lot.
@@doccomeau2770 That is the one factor the could redeem this. They have essentially killed their own idea with greed. Oh shit. I just got an idea. What if the reason it's like this now is the whole, 3 steps back start and 1 step forward? And they just say they listened and remove the game price tag, and just up the monthly cost?
I'm not rooting for its failure, I'm expecting most people who try it day one, will throw it away by day 2. But if the worst case scenario plays out and this is successful and infects AAA gameing at large... Indie games on PC will never die. *(And I have 16 years of console and hand held games to play, and replay.)
They build industry and remove every other option to make it work. Our mistake is not taking them seriously and not stopping their feet on their tracks and pushing them back while we can
You’d probably loose your game if your toxic and want to cheat and cheating won’t happen any time soon with stadia since everything is in their part. I don’t think your stadia account would ever get banned tho
@@user-zv8qg1co4z It most definitely does; digital downloads can only be activated by account in possession of the key. It's to say if you lose your account, you lose your games.
I already said my piece on it... I hate it, I hated it from the beginning... I hate when people can intervene and mess up your game. I have no need for such a service, thank you very much!
Searched Amazon for "CD Player." Got over 30k results. Searched Walmart, there are 4 models in the store closest to me. Target has 5. Yep, no CD players to be had. Anywhere.
@@Ms.Strahl I've come to realize that when you become an exec for a company like this, and you're trying to hock an inferior product like this, being willfully ignorant is almost a requirement
Gog "you can keep the games drm free, please keep the piracy low though" Steam "you can download the games incase the internet goes down, hey that one's on sale today!" Google "uh you can play your games on a phone maybe?"
Streaming movies and music DOES have a VERY tangible negative effect on the quality (especially for movies), so plenty of people prefer to have the files locally, in one form or another. So the argument doesn't even get off the ground.
Exactly. I have my music collection ripped in a lossless format to a hard drive, there is a noticeable difference compared to the likes of youtube or spotify. The same goes for movies, a good bluray is night and day compared to literally any streaming options. Worse yet if you are an audio nut, the first thing to be cut down by streaming platforms like Netflix is the audio quality. I have zero interest in becoming a cloud only user and I know a hell of a lot of people who feel the same way.
Also, with streaming your favorite movie or favorite album can be gone tomorrow. The show you're watching can be off the service tomorrow. Over license issues, over political issues, personal issues, anything. If your taste is anything more refined than "whatever's popular right now I don't really care" streaming opens up a lot of unpleasant possibilities that just weren't there before.
The ONLY acceptable cloud gaming IMO is GeForce NOW, because it's not its own platform. It requires you own the game on any of the various PC services (Steam, uPlay, etc.) and all NOW does is allow you to play the game you OWN. (I just realised you could consider those anagrams of each other.)
Google is REAAAAAALLY putting the cart before the horse. Hey Google!! Why don't you get Google Fiber in more cities FIRST??? Then, you can push you data intensive game streaming service!!!!!
@@RazielTheUnborn .....its THE wealthiest company in the world. More money and power than ALOT of countries....They can DO anything. Google has a bad habit of going off half-cocked with their ideas, especially outside of the digital space.
When they shut down the Stadia servers you’re going to lose all your purchases. Also Google has a history of killing off products. Cloud based stream gaming is way too early as wel; especially with people not having that fast connections. Basically Stadia is not worth it and not a good investment. And that data cap ... That’s gonna make it not worth it. Data caps will be easily filled.
THIS! There will be a bunch of people who do sign on to this service that is most likely gonna fail. And, cause they don't own the games, they could have just wasted all that money.
Imagine being one of the fools who actually thinks we’re the dumb ones... Just like the people arguing that Anthem would get fixed and become good. I don’t see those guys anymore... hmm.
@@deejones0071 But we all know that Google won't say anything like that up front and will probably have it said in a contract and in super tiny font... You know most people just click next and agree and not read things. That's what they're hoping and depending on.
It's not hard to find CD players these days. Amazon sells more CD players than Stadia will have games. That Google rep talks as if streaming completely replaced movies and music. That is as false as it can get. "Games on Stadia are yours to play"... no thanks. I like the phrase "Games you purchased are yours to keep" more.
There should be a heat map of world that has viable internet to even run Stadia on current 4K 60fps. It aint happening. Even with 5G which hasnt even been implemented yet, and being early tech, will cost a HUGE amount of cash to even adopt. Not to mention the ridiculous caps and data costs. Again, not happening.
It's just fancy DRM. How dumb does google think consumers are? Google: pay us full price for a digital game. Now pay us ten bucks a month to play that game. Us; wtf!!!
speedy To be fair, what they’re currently proposing with the subscription is just better resolution and an extra game a month... That doesn’t mean they want change the deal.
speedy I agree and I’m not arguing value, all I’m saying that that what they propose is not a a subscription fee to actually play games. Stadia is still a terrible idea, but Google have yet to force the subscription fee onto people and I’m guessing they won’t; it’s still bad just not that bad (yet).
Lmfao I got a CD player included with my computer when I got it last week. External, granted, but it wasn't hard to get. I could choose between literally hundreds of brands. Stadia exec is full of shit but what else is new?
People: So Phil, what is your answer for people who have data caps. Phil Harrison: Stop playing. People: Stop playing, thats your answer? Phil Harrison: Yup.
I am an offline singleplayer and music kind of guy. I love GOG and mp3. And maybe they are focused on having games you can finish within 2hours, generally within 15 minutes?...
It's for financially stable casuals that just play trendy games Good net subs+streaming tier packages+full price game+seasson pass+DLC's+MTX's either one of those you cannot afford you're fucked, good luck paying rent next month for a rental service
Top tier internet is becoming far more common and way way cheaper. I can get unlimited 40mbps internet for $40 a month, and I'm on the slowest and most basic plan from my provider in my area
A gaming PC doesn't cost $3K.. Even if it did, people never consider that you don't need any subscriptions, games are cheaper, more sales and so on 🤷🏼♂️ Stadia is fucked, to get the "best" experience you do need a subscription (which doesn't even grant basics like 7.1 surround sound..) and games will be full priced. If you intend to use Stadia for about a year, sure it might be cheaper, but in the long run there's no way. Even comparing it to overpriced games and online subscriptions of consoles which generally have a 7 year cycle, you are throwing away more money with Stadia. And don't get me started on the 'always online' requirement and what is building up as a short life expectance of it all, thus losing your entire investment.
Stadia is for people who pays 60 bucks for a game, +10 bucks monthly fee to own nothing but a sad controller. I don't see much people doing that. It's like going to the movies for $60.
Never really heard positive things. Its all about worrying and failures to impress us. They bring nothing realistic (internet connections) or something to be hyped for. Needless to say that Google wants to control everything that people uses and video games would give them too much power.
Sad trumpet noise.wav This is getting more and more comical. My only hope is for Google is to pour even more money into this only for it to flop even harder.
The one line that baffles me the most is what Andre said: “...although it’s hard to find a CD player these days” Gee, Andre, ever heard of a radio/CD combo, doofus??
At 32 years of age, im too old for this cloud gaming crap. I just want to purchase and own a game that i can play at anytime. If the internet goes down, sure, i cant play online games, however i can still play all my single player games. As stated for this google stadia, i would not be able to play my solo games. No thanks.
This thing is only for financially stable casuals that play trendy games Good net sub+streaming tier packages+full price games+season passes+DLC's+MTX's either one of those you cannot afford you're fucked, good luck paying rent next month
Last year I waited a month (3 days here, 5 days there, 8 days once) waiting for the Century Link tech to get the internet back up and running. A lot of solitaire and mahjong plus my DVDs got played.
At 16 years of age, I'm too old for this cloud gaming crap. I play on my PS2, PS and Game cube as I have games on there that I love. I can also still buy games for these consoles at CEX. I don't see any reason to get stadia as I play the games I want at home and use my phone for videos or just reading stuff. If I'm out I use my DS or something like that as they are portable. Why the hell would I want to play Destiny 2 on a phone, of which I can't see crap, while at a Café?
I don't like the idea of cloud gaming! When the internet goes down here I hear lots of screaming from family members about how their Netflix suddenly stopped, while I hardly notice it happening 'cause I mostly play single player games! Also portables are awesome to play when you don't have internet like when camping or when the energy + internet are down 'cause a storm fucked up everything...so yeah...offline gaming ftw!
The ONLY way Stadia could even work, Google needs: 1. Better up-to-date internet infrastructure. 2. Bribe/force ISPs to remove data caps. 3. Brine/force ISPs to lower high-speed prices. 4. Turn it into Netflix-for-Games. 5. Offer something that makes the gaming BETTER, not just some gimmick of "Hey, I can play my Cyberpunkon my tiny phone screen!" 6. STOP PLAYING MORAL GATEKEEPERS, YOU FUCKS!!!
Google:we can't guarantee safty and ownership of game purchases. Me:Well I can guarantee I won't purchase your products. "Its ok to doubt my words" I could say the same thing about all the food in your fridge that I just stole, its ok to doubt my words becuse you'd be right.
Google Stadia = On-line rental service, that you pay separate from Internet, and still pay full price for the game (that you RENT) Imagine a car rental service where you pay $15,000 ++ to RENT a car but never own it. And you sill have to buy gas and insurance separately.
@@dantemalick2872 no leasing a car you basically make payments of $150-$300 for an agreed upon time but do not make extra payments unless you decide to buy it at the end of the lease. So the above is rather accurate on what Google is basically doing.
Remember when you’re a executive. Reality is real. And everyone has a “ million G network “. And no reason to worry about anything. It all just works Surprise!!!! 🎉
"We believe in Stadia's success" = "We're fully admitting that if it's NOT a success your games will evaporate with no refunds, but trust us, it'll be fine!"
me as tech anthusiast : "Well yes but actually no." i mean if it's actually working, it's amazing and ahead it's time, just like RT technology on Video Games.
...Who in their right mind is going to pay for a new system, then pay full price for a game knowing full well it could get pulled at any time and they'll be flat out SOL? This is even dumber than that idea where people dropping off packages would have access to get into your home.
Financially stable casuals that plays trendy games and trendy tech Good net sub+streaming tier packages+full price games+season passes+DLC's+MTX's either one of those you cannot afford you're fucked, good luck paying rent next month
But that’s the thing, the people who use it will mostly be people who don’t realise the possible pitfalls that it presents. The whole angle is most likely trying to play to people who don’t really understand the technology behind it.
@@rudeboyjohn3483 they were here during Obama and the president before him you better fucking get used to it you'd think people would learn not to come here illegally but no they don't
Even if you are certain your product will succeed not having a fail safe for your consumers is a major problem. “Hope for the best, prepare for the worst” that should be the first thought on your head specially if you’re going to invest on an ambitious project.
@@Nurix09 My point was that if you are still using Google, after all of the garbage that has come out about them, then you have a bigger issue than just Stadia.
Without DRM free mp3 files i wouldn't even use and buy music albums at google music. That is why i don't buy Movies there either. And no, i do not pay for any steaming. I want to own of what i spend money for. Google should at least give us a steam key for every game as well and it would be a lot better already.
“Nothing in life is certain” Are you trying to sell us a product Google or are you telling us you have absolutely no idea what you’re even offering us? Wasn’t going to purchase a Stadia either way but that statement says a lot about what Google actually thinks about Stadia working for any length of time.
Just a reminder that you DON'T own any of the games you buy on these kinds of services. You're just buying permission to play them. Permission that can be revoked at ANY time for ANY reason and there's nothing you can do to prevent it.
@@Trashboat4444 not really I mean you can go buy a physical copy of a game and nobody can take it from you. Given that there's some form of offline play.
@@Trashboat4444 no. The ps4 lets you play your blu ray games even if your account is suspended. And on steam they let you have access to all content you have purchased. Then again people who have a good PC aren't really worried about these things. They can just pirate.
KGames 22 So not only physical copies that can’t be taken away when you buy it you could keep digital copies on your hard drive. It’s kinda illegal to force you to delete things that’s already on your computer.
Just look at ubisoft trying to ban people in a single player game. "Sorry, you are not allowed to play the game through our services anymore cause you cheated XP instead of buying the XP boost" Yeah, i don't want the gaming industry to go that direction.
I could not agree more with this whole comment chain. You know the market is being manipulated in accordance with an ulterior motive when there is a clear demand for a product or service, yet not only is it not being met, the suppliers are actively trying to move in the opposite direction!
isnt gmail doing fine? atleast i hope because its my email source if its not id hate to have it suddenly disappear like google tend to do to things theu make that dont do well
I've had rental homes where the owner decided to sell, or got foreclosed on; both forced me to move with no notice and considerable expense. I've also played several online TCG/collectible/tokens games that did not last and my purchases are worthless. There's no bleeping way I am going to "buy" games whose ownership remains in the cloud and only accessible as long as the business remains viable. Good luck, Google, but no.
Discord Draconequus To a degree. The rental/sale happened quite a while ago. However the foreclosure on the landlord we were renting from happened in the late 90's. By law, the bank had to seize the property back from the landlord and legally treat us as squatters. The sheriffs were there and gave us notice that we had 3 days to evacuate or be thrown out. They were very kind and understanding, but that's just the way it was. All four families were in a complete panic on what to do. Normally you have 30-60 days depending on the state laws.
The important parallel here is that someone else owning all your games without you being able to download locally is a horrible principle. Think of every title you have ever played that got cancelled. Now imagine its ALL your titles that get cancelled. I absolutely do have music and movies I stream, and I also can download them to my devices. The streaming aspect is secondary to the ownership of the files. Buying game titles and then being told how and when I can access them is a fool's lark. Also go to the page and you can see they will be implementing in-game transactions. So you pay full price for a game, then pay an access fee to determine at what quality you can enjoy them at, then support more 'games-as-services' fees. A new outfit, or access to content at quality resolutions and sounds (that, by the way is limited to some pretty small areas thanks to our infrastructure, and this is one of the biggest boondoggles to ever hit gaming. Even Fifa Ultimate Team is starting to look acceptable in comparison.
Even though in UK I don't have a data cap, with stadia on highest quality, I would probably get hit by the fair usage policy. It's a no from me. Roll on ps5 and Xbox next year
Microsoft is putting Game Pass on everything. That's a better deal. If you can buy the new Xbox you can turn the current one into a streaming Cloud. They said this at E3. Stadia is hot garbage
0:00 "i think that cloud gaming is-" Yeah im never doing streaming/ cloud gaming for anything that isnt an mmorpg. I dont want to need an internet connection to play Uncharted.
Better counter arguement to the streaming thing: those are streaming. You pay a monthly fee and get as much content as you can digest. You can also download stuff for offline usage on all the mediums he stated. Stadia you have to buy all your own games at full price and not be able to download them
GoG Galaxy store: U buy the game from our store with no monthly costs whatsoever n the game is permanently yours. Google Stadia: U pay us $15 monthly n then u can pay full price, but remember despite paying so much money none of the games r permanently yours y cause f$%& u give us money.
Google don't seem to realise that nobody is going to pay a sub fee AND game price when monthly pass is a thing now. But then, they're a bunch of loony lefties who aren't known for their pragmatism.
which is completely different from Stadia they let you keep access to the games, just like Steam on legacy platforms like Windows XP and Mac OS while you can no longer get any new updates to the platform rendering some games completely inoperable because they're not compatible with an old version all the games that do work have their blocks removed so you can continue to use them
Pretty sure that is an urban myth. Apart from that one remark from Gaben years ago, if Valve was going under I'd doubt it would get into more legal hot water with publishers by giving away their games DRM-free without their permission. The only way to guarantee your library forever is to buy physical, from GOG or to hoist the black flag, matie.
@Smattless They NEVER have confirmed this people have message support in the past and the boiler plate response has always been they have measures in place to try and ensure people retain acces to the games but thats not a guarantee... If you read steams TOS you dont actually own any game you purchase on the platform your only paying for access just like Stadia so if steam shutdowns they legally can just go under taking all the games you purchased with them but that would be marketing hell to admit that just like it has been for google.
On-Live for those that recall that. You payed a monthly fee for unlimited access to all their games. That was Nextflix for games. It was just too early for something like it that caused that to fail. This will more or less blockbuster for games. As you rent them for full price. You don't own them. Thus this will fail too I suspect.
Given Stadia is NOT a Netflix like service, but instead a storefront where you purchase full priced games individually, the vagueness in their responses to inquiries about safety and ownership of purchased games does not inspire confidence.
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I’m not a supporter of Stadia’s model but I’m on the U.K. with 191Mbps download and no caps on how much data I use.
I think the problem is that the service is not enough like Netflix for people like me to buy.
These google employees do not get it. Its not about having it on the cloud., but if shit happens, if Stadia folds, will all purchased products be compensated? Will Stadia be big enough to compete with the big players.. we've seen many google products falter after a couple of years or so
Steaming movies and games costs a lot less than a full price of the DVD/BR/CD that you'd listen to over the same time.
"Stadia"
Even the name sounds like an STD of some sort.
Hope it fails as badly as The Culling 2.
A storefront, huh?
I don't know a single store where you have to pay up just to enter.
I'd never go to that store.
Google will dump Stadia in like 18 months
5 month's Top's
I knew this would be the next Google Glass
@@lilrice7865 have faith..... I give them 6
Does it even launch?
@@lilrice7865 it'll be dropped 1 hour after launch :P
Google stadia: we won't guarantee anything for you.
Literally everyone: I can give you one guarantee, we won't use your service
Facts.
I agree, but sad to say that are always google fanboys who will play ... Bet on launch date google will have on the Chrome Page "get stadia....." So a few will fall for it, hope that will not be enought and we will get rid of Stadia.
Google stadia should abort mission while it can.Its been dead on arrival from the start.💀
satalia Nah, there are still fools and idiots who are so into Google products that they would buy anything from them like Google glasses, I still remember that fiasco.
Heroinedown lmao google glasses
Trusting a company with my games while the gaming industry is basically a dumpster fire at the moment? No thank you
And when the company in question is just one giant Orwellian nightmare? Hah, dissolve
"Nothing in life is certain, but we are committed" is not the best wedding vow
Committed; being assigned to an asylum for mental disorders...
😂
Committed to divorce soon.
But it's accurate. lol
That's actually a really good wedding vow.
I love it when a service bans me and deletes all my purchases because I said something mean in chat. So i'm really looking forward to Google Stadia.
yeah imagine writing "white man" in chat :'D
Melinda Colden oh like whit-*userbanned
I mean, I have a really hard time pitying toxic people being banned from gaming with others online. That doesn't seem like something worth whinging about, it seems more like an opportunity to become a better person who doesn't say bannable crap to people.
@@Velkhana22 it's about banning access to all your games not just that specific game
@@Velkhana22 Regardless of how toxic a person is, if they spent $60 to buy something, a company should not be allowed to revoke their purchase (especially without refunding their money). Imagine if any other service provider tried that shit. Oops, Samsung is gonna lock my phone because I said a swear!
This is why I prefer physical media. I will never fully trust companies to let me own digital content.
It doesn't matter now. Every game has at least 2gb download.
This is an extremist position, some companies exist since decades, centuries in case of nintendo, they are stable and are not famous for abandoning projects like google is. Plus you can always buy a giant hd and install locally all your games, if you really want.
@@skrotosd That solution isnt perfect though, since say if steam died, then even if you had all the games downloaded you couldn't play them since most have steam DRM that needs the service running and some are online only
Aidan Quiett steam has already a fallback policy, if steam closes all games will go free drm. Gaben’s words.
@@skrotosd Oh, hell yeah
Wow, basically confirming this will fail.
Onlive was the exact same thing for 5 years and was fine.
@@xaayer Considering the layoffs and how it died, I don't think it was fine. Also, it really was not that good. VERY rough around the edges
Google: REEEEEEEEEEE
Microsoft: HOLD MY BEER
I’d say as hard as the ouya.
@m_hicks12 buying and then not owning ? You are weird if you think that is normal
You own your games until Google decides you committed wrongthink.
Darryl Hamlin @ welcome to 1984
@@misakamikoto8785 nah man don't Break the law
All those companies can Go fuck themselves but they don't Break the law...
yet and when they do they will pay i Hope
Xbox is exactly the same way; piss them off and you lose access to the stuff you've bought from them. I wouldn't be surprised if the same applies to most platforms, actually.
@@misakamikoto8785 dont play their games at all. Pirating them says "hey I hate you, but you still make playable games, so keep it up"
@@pauldank3453 They don't break the law, they BEND it.
"Oh, copyright says that shit is yours? Wait, I'll just pay someone.... Poof, copyright says it's mine now."
Keyword: OWNERSHIP.
With OWNERSHIP comes CONTROL.
Corporations will invest infinite resources into this and they'll never stop. It's everything to them.
Yep you've hit the nail on the head exactly... They want full control over your experience. And we're not going to give them it!
@@YourTVUnplugged I wish, there are more idiots in the world ready to give in happily, becuase well, they are idiots.
This comment has the same energy as those Alien Conspiracists in America.
@@FrostGlader
Not really. Corporations don't really care about the customer, or the integrity of the product they peddle, they only care about making money. If they can make you pay full price to use a bunch of ones and zeroes, that saves them a bunch of money they would normally have to spend on printing and distribution.
If they manage to get rid of physical media entirely, do you honestly believe they wont lock your games to your systems ISP so you have to buy them again if your machine takes a shit, hold your entire library hostage with monthly cloud storage fees, and modify or delete games you've already purchased because they decided not to support it anymore, or just want you to buy the new extreme edition.
All of that is entirely possible, we've seen small hints of it already, and the only reason they haven't gone that far already is because solid media still exists and thye don't want to tip their hand to early. Once the option to buy physical copies is no longer an issue, you can bet they're going to start tightening down, because that's just how business works.
Honestly there's a simple solution to all this.
Don't buy the service.
"Strange game. The only winning move is not playing it."
I do honestly feel for the people who have no choice to, like kids who may have gotten it for a gift. If you like it, that's fine, but there'll be people out there who are disappointed - and if it ends up folding, well...
Instead of answering the question, he responds with an incredible amount of condescension. Whenever someone does not answer your question, I have learned overwhelmingly, the answer is the one they know you do not want to hear.
Any answer they could have given wouldn't be one we'd want to hear, as that would be admitting this thing isn't really for anyone.
Except maybe for the greedy AAA publishers to jerk off to the idea of being paid for basically nothing.
Wise words to live by.
*servers go down*
And you will never see those games again
@m_hicks12 Even Steam allows you to play in offline mode, provided you downloaded the game prior to the internet loss. so if Stadia can't even achieve that, then it's dead on arrival.
@m_hicks12 correction you need an internet connection to install the games. You can cut the connection and still play them.
@m_hicks12 Hey, if physical works for you, that's great. But I know I don't have space for 1000 game discs, not including what I might buy in the future
m_hicks12 you can play digital without internet as well
m_hicks12 actually no you only need internet to install steam games. I play steam games offline all the time.
Blizzard...."Don't you guys have cell-phones?"
Google...."Don't you guys have Internet?"
You think that's TH-cam you're breathing now?
hells onion waht
Xbox...dont you guys want streaming only?
"Dont you guys have money?"
dont you guys have 1000 down 1000 up interneteverywhere you go
Imagine Nintendo busting down your door, to confiscate your 30 year old Mario & Nintendo Games & systems because your right to own them expired last month.
LOL
I don't know why but i literally imagined mario doing that
Don't give Nintendos lawyer ideas please
That...is so farfetched that they just would do it. Nintendo is quite stringent about their things.
Or because you don't conform to the current trend of "groupthink" that Google thinks that you should be tied to.
...is it bad that I could picture that happening very vididly?
500+ hours in MHW, can imagine how much data that would've cost me if I was streaming it instead of owning a physical copy
I feel you man. I have 300+ hours in Skyrim, 250+ hours in The Witcher 3 and 400+ hours in Assassin's Creed Odyssey. I would be broke if I tried that on Stadia😅
I have premium internet, but I live in a high-traffic area so my speeds fluctuate like the pulse of a man with a faulty pacemaker. Never mind just the cost-even with the best connections, you can’t guarantee that the game just won’t disconnect because you fall under a certain speed. Google’s promise isn’t worth a bent penny to me when there are literally several readily available storefronts that I can actually go to and own the game in some form.
900 hours l2p scrub
That is a nightmare imagine having over 900 hours and in a snap it's all gone.
Three words:
Flop
On
Launch
Here's a simpler word :
Anthem ?
Better yet "Dead On Arrival"
hopefully. The very concept of this foolishness needs to die for the good of the industry.
@@The3rdTurd don't underestimate detachment from reality of average casual - they will keep throwing money at it without second thought because "convenience", one of friends of mine is like that, dictionary definition of casual who doesn't know what's happening around in gaming at all, being happy with "no mans sky" at launch and so on
I hope so, because if it is successful there will be copycats. Granted streaming games isn’t anything new and to pull what Google are doing the competitor would need a similar sort of infrastructure, but that’s not going to stop companies trying. Netflix has started losing a bit of money, and the oncoming Disney streaming service (and the rest) means that you’ll have to start using their service to watch their shows. That’s what is going to happen if this catches on; why give an outside party the license to your game when you can make your own platform.
Granted Google have just made a neutered Xbox Live/PSN service, but if this catches on someone else will make it “better”.
-I still have my Sega Dreamcast from years ago, with the games... Sega no longer supports it or sales it, but I can plug it in and Play the games like nothing happened.
-If everything is in the cloud, What the hell do you do then when the cloud just disappears?
This describes the issue perfectly and should be a top rated comment quoted whenever this topic is discussed.
player7969 When the Cloud disappears, the Sun will shine and we will Realize Stadia has failed
Can't tell people that want digital and streaming only things like this?They don't wanna hear it until it's way too late...
I still own ALL my consoles back to the original nes. I have a bookshelf full of physical games that I can play whenever I get the urge. Y'all can keep your cloud gaming.... I'm going to play Contra with the 30 life code.
Good question
What's the f'n point of investing in Stadia if they can't guarantee safety & ownership for gamers??? I'll just stick with both Steam & GOG!!!
Steam literally says you dont own the game, you just buy a license to play it. If youre bitching about this idea with stadia, then you should bitch about it with steam too since its literally exactly the same. Both Steam and a publisher can revoke your rights to play a steam game with no reason, explanation, or any warning.
MilkySubstance
Can’t stadia do the same?
@@MilkySubstance you still own them more than in stadia, with steam going autentification free if they were to fail
@@MilkySubstance a publisher on steam has 0 rights to revoke your rights to a game on steam. not even the gov has, as there were cases of games being pulled from steam because of Licence/censorship, but if you already owned them in your library, they stay there
@@MilkySubstance Half correct on the revoke your right argument. If you already have the game in your library, you can still download and play the game despite the game no longer on the store except the few games with an always-online connection where the publisher/developers could kill the games indefinitely by turning the servers off but at least you can crack the games somehow.
Physical games aren't perfect either where you require to download the patch or the rest of the game files to get them to work.
Google 2019: "We're committed!"
Hmm sounds just like:
Todd 'The Liar' Howard saying at E3 2015: "It just works!"
More like it just crashes...
@@slashrocks19801,
Well most people who saw what 'The Liar' was talking about when it released, the Fallout 4 Settlement building system that is, was plagued with a blocking "you can't place an item here" 'red menace'. Making mods like 'Place Anywhere' and others a necessity if you wanted to play with the building system.
I mean, it’s not a lie, per se, it just doesn’t work well-it’s like building “up to code” or literally anything the FDA does nowadays. Not a lie, but barely the truth
@@ciridaehunter2601,
"Building 'up to code'" Don't even get me started on that subject.
The apartment building I reside at; Was built in the 70's, remodeled in the early 2000's, and there is a water heater installation that is so far 'out there' that; After 3 different times it flooded my bedroom, it was replaced and they had to dig a well like hole into the buildings foundation just to prevent further floods.
Hard to find CD player nowadays?? WTF you can even find Vinil record players! this is dead on arrival, you'll see!
I will always advocate against cloud gaming. It's an absolute step back in my eyes as I see zero benefits and only drawbacks.
Looking back, how dumb to people sound now when they used to say the same thing about streaming TV. Everyone bitched and moaned about it,. said streaming would fail, said it would always be laggy or low quality because our internet wouldnt be fast enough to use it. How many people vowed and declared they would never use a streaming service and would only ever buy and watch DVDs for the rest of their lives because they didnt trust streaming services. How retarded do those people sound now.
@@MilkySubstance Yong already addressed this in the video. The interactive nature and data size of games is far above and beyond anything music or movies could ever require.
Stadias only benefits are not needing "expensive" hardware and being able to use it on practically any device.
Other than that.. it's just a sad offer.
FYI I live in the netherlands and have an 250mbps internet connection, on top of me being an IT Engineer and thus set up my own network so the connection part isn't a problem for me.
@@NLRikkert Adressing it or not Yong isnt a technical expert on the subject. I enjoy watching him because I think hes likable and he covers gaming news well most of the time, but hes definitely not someone whos relatively baseless opinion I'm going to just go along with because hes on youtube.
15 years ago we were still using 8mb memory sticks in a playstation. 5 years ago streaming a movie on 4k through a streaming service was widely said to be completely impossible and never going to happen due to internet restrictions. Both of those opinions are laughable now.
Whether or not Stadia itself is successful is to be seen, its pricing model is pretty shitty to be honest, given you have to purchase a Stadia itself, its subscription fee, AND full price for the game.
Game streaming though will be just fine. With Stadia coming soon, Microsoft announcing their own game streaming service (which looks far better and more promising than Stadia already), and undoubtably a Sony streaming service coming with next gen there will be plenty of options for people to choose from.
Everyone on here denouncing game streaming though and saying it will fail are completely deluded. Dedicated gamers like people who come to Yongs channel for news arent the target market for game streaming anyway. 10 years ago, how many people did you know had bought and watched every season of friends? Every season of the Office? How many people bought DVDs at all? (Personal preference but you get my point). It pales in comparison to the number of people who own streaming services today, with services like Netflix being household essentials for most people, who now have everyone of of those shows and more at their fingertips. Netflix we'rent targeting the DVD collectors market alone, they wernt going after people who bought and watched every show they wanted already, it was everyone else they wanted, and now everyone else uses their service.
Game streaming will be the same. It might not reach the same audience as TV streaming obviously, since gaming is a much more niche market, but there is a massive and untapped potential market of people out there who cant be fucked with games now because they dont want to waste money on a console, or drop thousands on a gaming PC. Look at how massive the mobile gaming market has become in recent years. Thats the level of casual gamer that streaming can and will target, and if it even pulls a fraction of that market it will be massively profitable.
I can't stand input lag by design, and there is no fixing for that, it's a physical limitation.
@@MilkySubstance Yong might not be an expert, but as I said Im an IT Engineer and a large part of my job is configuring and testing cloud services (which streaming is a part of). And I know from experience this will not work as intended in cases where large anounts of data in transfered, even with 250+ mbps connection speeds and no data caps.
But even besides the point of stable conmections and such, the entire proposition is rather awful, especially from a financial and ownership viewpoint.
If you have faith in Stadia, by all means go ahead and make your purchase. But if you think this massive outcry, both by gamers and people who work/research this for a living, os fueled by ignorant fools, you sir are making a mistake.
Do feel free to come back to this comment in a few months or so, and I'd love to discuss the end result. If I am wrong and this will be a long term succes, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Though my knowledge and personal experience tell me I wont be.
"your games are yours to play"
I think this line gives it away. You don't own your games.
Mi Ke not just that. It’s “as long as the service exists, AND as long as the publisher wants to keep it on the server.
Sounds like legal theft when you will never truly have what you buy. lol
Honestly I’m not too surprised about the lack of guaranteed ownership, once Stadia goes down
"But you can download your saves!"
Okay, so if I buy this car from you, can I take it home with me?
"You can take the wheels!"
You can take the license plate!
More like you can take the rear view mirror
You can take the *map* of the places you've visited with it.
I have already heard that car companies are trying to move to a leasing system where you never actually own the car. I hope its not true.
I just loved the corporate weasel speak during that press release. Does anyone really fall for it when they talk like that?
I think Stadia is DoA because of two simple reasons:
1. You have to purchase the full game to ONLY play through streaming.
2. Not a lot of people have fiber/high speed internet besides important cities and whatnot (I'm in a 30k pop city and there's no fiber here).
I got fiber at my summer house, we are like a total of 100ish people there
Its for rich people not the masses
I live in Germany with 500mbps internet (always tests slightly higher than 500)... I did Stadia's connection test several times and the highest it tested at was 98mpbs. I was never going to buy it, but good luck to people who have like 50mbps only to discover that while they have the speeds google says it requires ...they really dont.
I say someone opens a kickstarter to get Phil Harrison a decent CD player... 🤣
Lol i live just outside a major city, Portsmouth in a little town about 160k people anf you know what out download speed on steam never exceeds 5MB/s it's shit here
Buying a game that leaves the stadia library like a movie leaves the netflix library is straight up insanity.
It will fail if it's not a service like Game Pass
@@doccomeau2770 even games leave Game Pass all the time. Now, arguably. The games last a lot longer than some movies on Netflix and the xbox exclusives stay but AAA titles leave game pass a lot.
@@doccomeau2770 That is the one factor the could redeem this. They have essentially killed their own idea with greed. Oh shit. I just got an idea. What if the reason it's like this now is the whole, 3 steps back start and 1 step forward? And they just say they listened and remove the game price tag, and just up the monthly cost?
I'm not only disinterested, but actively rooting for it's failure.
Rectangular Businessman same
Everyone should if this has any success. Other companies will start getting funny ideas.
Same
I'm not rooting for its failure, I'm expecting most people who try it day one, will throw it away by day 2.
But if the worst case scenario plays out and this is successful and infects AAA gameing at large... Indie games on PC will never die. *(And I have 16 years of console and hand held games to play, and replay.)
I’ve been doing PS Now for awhile and it’s great
Google doesn't know anything about Gaming or the Industry
nope but here they are
They build industry and remove every other option to make it work. Our mistake is not taking them seriously and not stopping their feet on their tracks and pushing them back while we can
@Johan Jacobs
Which would explain why The Founders Edition Is a full $129 with Barely any games.
they just know they want controll over it
Considering some of the trash on the playstore...
Me : If my account is banned, Do I get a refund ?.🤔
Google : Of course not. You don't own this game dude.🤷🏻♂️
Same with xbox.
I got banned and lost all my games.
You’d probably loose your game if your toxic and want to cheat and cheating won’t happen any time soon with stadia since everything is in their part. I don’t think your stadia account would ever get banned tho
@@Kevin-rz7dm people will find ways
owlcity24 life finds a way
@@user-zv8qg1co4z It most definitely does; digital downloads can only be activated by account in possession of the key. It's to say if you lose your account, you lose your games.
I already said my piece on it... I hate it, I hated it from the beginning... I hate when people can intervene and mess up your game. I have no need for such a service, thank you very much!
If I buy a game I expect to own it not purchase a game and basically be borrowing it from said game company
yeah I agree with you
I mean.... Game Fly?
it's basically Apple businness model.
Well i got bad news if you buy digital then
If they're going to RENT it to me then RENT it to me AT RENTAL PRICES. Not full purchase price
Don't know about anyone else, but I really like my gaming PC. And I despise my ISP. Do I want my games in a cloud? Hell no.
I agree. All my games on Steam? And They’re permanently tied to my account and i can download at my discretion? Yes please.
Or Gog.
@@TSPH1992 yea Gog is good... I'm considering using Gog along with steam
Searched Amazon for "CD Player." Got over 30k results. Searched Walmart, there are 4 models in the store closest to me. Target has 5.
Yep, no CD players to be had. Anywhere.
If you have further difficulty, I see them on a regular basis at Goodwill too. xD
These tech execs are really living in a world of their own delusions, aren't they?
@@Ms.Strahl I've come to realize that when you become an exec for a company like this, and you're trying to hock an inferior product like this, being willfully ignorant is almost a requirement
@@thepassingstatic6268 That explains why they get paid such ridiculous salaries to do a ridiculous job spouting ridiculous nonsense!
@@Ms.Strahl oh yeah. Andrew Wilson just leaves me flabbergasted at times.
Gog "you can keep the games drm free, please keep the piracy low though"
Steam "you can download the games incase the internet goes down, hey that one's on sale today!"
Google "uh you can play your games on a phone maybe?"
I'm going to say the big funny diablo 4 meme dont make me
Streaming movies and music DOES have a VERY tangible negative effect on the quality (especially for movies), so plenty of people prefer to have the files locally, in one form or another. So the argument doesn't even get off the ground.
Exactly.
I have my music collection ripped in a lossless format to a hard drive, there is a noticeable difference compared to the likes of youtube or spotify. The same goes for movies, a good bluray is night and day compared to literally any streaming options. Worse yet if you are an audio nut, the first thing to be cut down by streaming platforms like Netflix is the audio quality. I have zero interest in becoming a cloud only user and I know a hell of a lot of people who feel the same way.
Vinyl and digital do not sound different, but its still fun to own vinyl.
Streaming any media will always have a loss in quality.
Also, with streaming your favorite movie or favorite album can be gone tomorrow. The show you're watching can be off the service tomorrow. Over license issues, over political issues, personal issues, anything.
If your taste is anything more refined than "whatever's popular right now I don't really care" streaming opens up a lot of unpleasant possibilities that just weren't there before.
Not even in concept, cloud gaming just kills gaming culture. Period. No matter the infrastructure.
The ONLY acceptable cloud gaming IMO is GeForce NOW, because it's not its own platform. It requires you own the game on any of the various PC services (Steam, uPlay, etc.) and all NOW does is allow you to play the game you OWN. (I just realised you could consider those anagrams of each other.)
Can I please play a game on my 200 dollar pc
It's kills collecting enthusiast demographic
It falls on anti consumer
How is this even remotely true, and not just hysterical bullshit?
Brandon Greco I guess you keep all your steam games downloaded at all times?
Google is REAAAAAALLY putting the cart before the horse. Hey Google!! Why don't you get Google Fiber in more cities FIRST??? Then, you can push you data intensive game streaming service!!!!!
You would think a billion dollar company would.
They can't because of contracts Xfinity and Comcast have made across the country.
@@RazielTheUnborn .....its THE wealthiest company in the world. More money and power than ALOT of countries....They can DO anything. Google has a bad habit of going off half-cocked with their ideas, especially outside of the digital space.
Bro stfu let it die so this abomination go away
Google Fiber is no longer being built in new areas.
I had one game purchased as a gift for myself on an older service called “on live.” When that service went down the game too was lost as well.
That's why I am not getting stadia. Your even more screwed if you have no or slow internet
Stadia is still a bad idea for literally everyone right now, they have currently done nothing to inspire confidence.
When they shut down the Stadia servers you’re going to lose all your purchases.
Also Google has a history of killing off products.
Cloud based stream gaming is way too early as wel; especially with people not having that fast connections.
Basically Stadia is not worth it and not a good investment.
And that data cap ... That’s gonna make it not worth it. Data caps will be easily filled.
THIS!
There will be a bunch of people who do sign on to this service that is most likely gonna fail. And, cause they don't own the games, they could have just wasted all that money.
Imagine being one of the fools who actually thinks we’re the dumb ones...
Just like the people arguing that Anthem would get fixed and become good. I don’t see those guys anymore... hmm.
@@deejones0071 But we all know that Google won't say anything like that up front and will probably have it said in a contract and in super tiny font...
You know most people just click next and agree and not read things. That's what they're hoping and depending on.
@@The.Nasty. They're busy playing the game. I'm not even kidding, they're that brain dead.
@@The.Nasty. Too bad Bioware couldnt get their shit together but now paying for it.Have a bad feeling Dragon Age 4 will be the same?
I'm not paying full AAA price for a game I can't own, download, mod, or save/play offline.
So you only buy physical releases then?
You're saying that like steam doesn't exist, Anton
S4ns I'd be cool if they were $5 a piece.
@@neoj7560 you don't technically own the games on steam
@@xavdest5481 yes you do
It's not hard to find CD players these days. Amazon sells more CD players than Stadia will have games.
That Google rep talks as if streaming completely replaced movies and music. That is as false as it can get.
"Games on Stadia are yours to play"... no thanks. I like the phrase "Games you purchased are yours to keep" more.
I still use mp3s. I hate streaming, with all the ads, subscriptions, and need for connection.
Yeah the Stadia guy just acting stupid hoping he can reel in some more subscribers before it all goes to hell.
There should be a heat map of world that has viable internet to even run Stadia on current 4K 60fps.
It aint happening.
Even with 5G which hasnt even been implemented yet, and being early tech, will cost a HUGE amount of cash to even adopt. Not to mention the ridiculous caps and data costs.
Again, not happening.
When 5G rolls out we'll all be more concerned about the massive tumours growing all over our bodies
Christopher Clown fuccckk dude 😣 what is happening to the world?
@@disgruntleddude people who never go outside will have sunburns.
Streaming games = microtransations without end.
THIS IS THE PLAN WAKE UP!
Streaming games sounds like garbage to me, regardless of business model.
It's just fancy DRM. How dumb does google think consumers are?
Google: pay us full price for a digital game. Now pay us ten bucks a month to play that game.
Us; wtf!!!
speedy
To be fair, what they’re currently proposing with the subscription is just better resolution and an extra game a month...
That doesn’t mean they want change the deal.
Didn't someone try this way back in 2010 too?
@@annabella1650 ask yourself this question. How does that benefit me as a consumer?
And convenience doesn't always equal value.
speedy
I agree and I’m not arguing value, all I’m saying that that what they propose is not a a subscription fee to actually play games. Stadia is still a terrible idea, but Google have yet to force the subscription fee onto people and I’m guessing they won’t; it’s still bad just not that bad (yet).
"It's hard to get a CD player these days."
Excuse me, but what planet do you live on sir?
*initiates a Barney Frank impression*
“On what planet do you spend most of your time?”
Lmfao I got a CD player included with my computer when I got it last week.
External, granted, but it wasn't hard to get. I could choose between literally hundreds of brands.
Stadia exec is full of shit but what else is new?
Didn't you hear? The world has massive shortages of every day products..
Google must be besties with Bethesda 🤷🏼♂️
Wait people still use CD?
@@hoseadavit3422 basicaly some DVD Drive have ability to do read CD.
I hope it fails so I can stop seeing their stupid ads everywhere. 🤦♂️
*Looks at your profile pic*
I see you're a man of culture, fellow Funhaus fan.
Volkor 3:16 says "Google Stadia is going to crash and burn"
I got an as for them on this video
“We can do we cans do we can do what we want yeah!”
"OUT OF MY WAY" "OUT OF MY WAY" Crush that puss Volkor.
People: So Phil, what is your answer for people who have data caps.
Phil Harrison: Stop playing.
People: Stop playing, thats your answer?
Phil Harrison: Yup.
Surprised Pikachu face. :o
Stadia: "Trust us"
Consumers: recalls the countless times we have been burned before by EA, Bethesda and Activision.
Not giving Google a dime after everything they've done. Never Stadia...never!
Also what kind of data mining will they do?
Are they gonna sell your meta data.....?
@@gremlinmogwai9649 They pretty much already do
@@calibula95 and tor.
@@calibula95 already do.
But thanks for the tip.
"Google Stadia Won't Guarantee Safety & Ownership Of Game Purchases, And That's A Big Problem"
well more money for miself anyways.
Lemme get a dollar
well, it guarantees that my money wont go to them
@viper_ gaming_offical thanks homie
@@imshaunnurse l got you too my dude
@@pow174 now i got 2$! Already better than stadia. At this rate you guys will surpass ea
Those corporate eggheads are so out of touch with reality I am starting to question if they actually were born in our same dimension.
Stadia might actually kill stream gaming altogether. If it totally flops other will consider their streaming plans.
I am an offline singleplayer and music kind of guy. I love GOG and mp3. And maybe they are focused on having games you can finish within 2hours, generally within 15 minutes?...
Absolutely nothing wrong with MP3s. You can put more music than you can listen to in a year nonstop onto a small USB thumb drive.
I love mp3s!
So Stadia is for the people who cant spend 2000€ on a Gaming PC but you need a top tier internet connection
It's for financially stable casuals that just play trendy games
Good net subs+streaming tier packages+full price game+seasson pass+DLC's+MTX's either one of those you cannot afford you're fucked, good luck paying rent next month for a rental service
Top tier internet is becoming far more common and way way cheaper. I can get unlimited 40mbps internet for $40 a month, and I'm on the slowest and most basic plan from my provider in my area
A gaming PC doesn't cost $3K..
Even if it did, people never consider that you don't need any subscriptions, games are cheaper, more sales and so on 🤷🏼♂️
Stadia is fucked, to get the "best" experience you do need a subscription (which doesn't even grant basics like 7.1 surround sound..) and games will be full priced. If you intend to use Stadia for about a year, sure it might be cheaper, but in the long run there's no way. Even comparing it to overpriced games and online subscriptions of consoles which generally have a 7 year cycle, you are throwing away more money with Stadia.
And don't get me started on the 'always online' requirement and what is building up as a short life expectance of it all, thus losing your entire investment.
Stadia is for people who pays 60 bucks for a game, +10 bucks monthly fee to own nothing but a sad controller. I don't see much people doing that. It's like going to the movies for $60.
In my country you can spend $1000 and get PC that can play Witcher 3 with a shit ton of mod.
It gets worse the more I hear about Stadia
Never really heard positive things. Its all about worrying and failures to impress us. They bring nothing realistic (internet connections) or something to be hyped for. Needless to say that Google wants to control everything that people uses and video games would give them too much power.
Sad trumpet noise.wav
This is getting more and more comical. My only hope is for Google is to pour even more money into this only for it to flop even harder.
*Plays The Price Is Right Losing Horn.*
The one line that baffles me the most is what Andre said: “...although it’s hard to find a CD player these days”
Gee, Andre, ever heard of a radio/CD combo, doofus??
At 32 years of age, im too old for this cloud gaming crap. I just want to purchase and own a game that i can play at anytime. If the internet goes down, sure, i cant play online games, however i can still play all my single player games. As stated for this google stadia, i would not be able to play my solo games. No thanks.
This thing is only for financially stable casuals that play trendy games
Good net sub+streaming tier packages+full price games+season passes+DLC's+MTX's either one of those you cannot afford you're fucked, good luck paying rent next month
Last year I waited a month (3 days here, 5 days there, 8 days once) waiting for the Century Link tech to get the internet back up and running. A lot of solitaire and mahjong plus my DVDs got played.
At 16 years of age, I'm too old for this cloud gaming crap. I play on my PS2, PS and Game cube as I have games on there that I love. I can also still buy games for these consoles at CEX.
I don't see any reason to get stadia as I play the games I want at home and use my phone for videos or just reading stuff. If I'm out I use my DS or something like that as they are portable.
Why the hell would I want to play Destiny 2 on a phone, of which I can't see crap, while at a Café?
I'm 24yo.
I think the same way.
I don't like the idea of cloud gaming! When the internet goes down here I hear lots of screaming from family members about how their Netflix suddenly stopped, while I hardly notice it happening 'cause I mostly play single player games!
Also portables are awesome to play when you don't have internet like when camping or when the energy + internet are down 'cause a storm fucked up everything...so yeah...offline gaming ftw!
The ONLY way Stadia could even work, Google needs:
1. Better up-to-date internet infrastructure.
2. Bribe/force ISPs to remove data caps.
3. Brine/force ISPs to lower high-speed prices.
4. Turn it into Netflix-for-Games.
5. Offer something that makes the gaming BETTER, not just some gimmick of "Hey, I can play my Cyberpunkon my tiny phone screen!"
6. STOP PLAYING MORAL GATEKEEPERS, YOU FUCKS!!!
Honestly, what even is the benefit of playing AAA games on your tiny phone screen?
This comment of yours could potentially ban your account from stadia
Too bad people are greedy these days rather than being better.
7. don't push off collecting enthusiasts by going on the sole option for playing games
The only way stadia could work: Be Steam.
Google:we can't guarantee safty and ownership of game purchases.
Me:Well I can guarantee I won't purchase your products.
"Its ok to doubt my words"
I could say the same thing about all the food in your fridge that I just stole, its ok to doubt my words becuse you'd be right.
Google Stadia = On-line rental service, that you pay separate from Internet, and still pay full price for the game (that you RENT)
Imagine a car rental service where you pay $15,000 ++ to RENT a car but never own it. And you sill have to buy gas and insurance separately.
Sounds like leasing a car
@@dantemalick2872 no leasing a car you basically make payments of $150-$300 for an agreed upon time but do not make extra payments unless you decide to buy it at the end of the lease. So the above is rather accurate on what Google is basically doing.
Also the rental service can come any morning to take the car back when you need it.
Refuse to take it seriously until they accept that it's a monthly fee OR charging for the games.
Shawn M that car rental service where you pay $15,000 to rent a car actually exists, it’s called leasing a car
Remember when you’re a executive. Reality is real. And everyone has a “ million G network “. And no reason to worry about anything. It all just works
Surprise!!!! 🎉
"We believe in Stadia's success" = "We're fully admitting that if it's NOT a success your games will evaporate with no refunds, but trust us, it'll be fine!"
Honestly even from the press conference I figured stadia would be trash. Was anyone actually excited for it?
Me
@@Trashboat4444 why tho
me as tech anthusiast :
"Well yes but actually no."
i mean if it's actually working, it's amazing and ahead it's time, just like RT technology on Video Games.
Brandon Giordano
Not me! I’ll stick with my Nintendo switch and PC
Nope
If sad panda can be taken just like that, who's to say the same can't happen to your games?
who
@@WannaBeLevrone a hentai site
Exactly why I think stadia will fail.
Also Facepunch forums
Who
We already have issues with live services, we don't need live services for live services.
well put point with live service-ception
I mean my laptop has a CD player in it RIGHT NOW!
laptops having no cd drive is however becoming the norm.
kinda the reason I haven't bought a laptop in like 10yrs
@@howdenking CD/DVD players in laptops are like paywalled DLCs in modern games.
@@howdenking You can easily get a USB CD, DVD, or Blu-Ray player. Hell, I saw a USB FLOPPY DRIVE in the store the other day.
@@saftykuma true. I wonder if that has yo do with costs.....on both sides
@@thepassingstatic6268 With laptops it has a lot to do with size. They want to shave off those 0.3 mm.
Me:"so I must pay subscription fee and buy the games too?"
Stadia:"yes! "
Me:"will I own the games?"
Stadia:"No!"
(Enought said!)
Me: Will I still be able to play the games I buy if Stadia goes the way of the dodo?
Stadia: Hell no!
Should of put the meme "well yes but actually no"
I can barely watch a twitch stream without constant buffering...no way this would work for me haha
TheWakaWakaFish Thank god its not the future
...Who in their right mind is going to pay for a new system, then pay full price for a game knowing full well it could get pulled at any time and they'll be flat out SOL?
This is even dumber than that idea where people dropping off packages would have access to get into your home.
Financially stable casuals that plays trendy games and trendy tech
Good net sub+streaming tier packages+full price games+season passes+DLC's+MTX's either one of those you cannot afford you're fucked, good luck paying rent next month
But that’s the thing, the people who use it will mostly be people who don’t realise the possible pitfalls that it presents. The whole angle is most likely trying to play to people who don’t really understand the technology behind it.
Inbox, Reader, Notebook, Gtalk, Orkut, Plus, Buzz... Stadia will soon join them.
Oh no! You've moved *IN* to an AT&T monopolized area? x.x
You have my sympathies.
Can't believe people in America still have data caps.
I cant believe we have monopolies and concentration camps for children, but here we are
@@rudeboyjohn3483 they were here during Obama and the president before him you better fucking get used to it you'd think people would learn not to come here illegally but no they don't
Lol that escalated quickly 😂
@@decolown705 right? Why didn't the dumbasses come here legally. Not like walking in is hard
Even if you are certain your product will succeed not having a fail safe for your consumers is a major problem.
“Hope for the best, prepare for the worst” that should be the first thought on your head specially if you’re going to invest on an ambitious project.
1 year later
*Me searching google
Me: What happened with Stadia?
Google: We killed it.
The big problem with that statement is that you are still using Google as your search engine......
@@jacobyrassilon not really you can still use the search engine and not stadia.
@@Nurix09 My point was that if you are still using Google, after all of the garbage that has come out about them, then you have a bigger issue than just Stadia.
"YahOOOOoOhh!"
@@jacobyrassilon lol what? Literally nothing wrong with the search engine. And you do you realise that TH-cam is owned by google right?
Don’t buy it guys, google has a long track record of doing projects and then shutting them down, remember google plus, google glass, google fiber.
Wheres google flush so i can clog it wirh their console.
Google Car
Google: Why does nobody trust stadia to succeed?
Literally everyone else: two words, "Google glasses" *mic drop*
Going on that logic....
Hololens : *mic drop*
@@rickylovesyou Hololens is still alive though..
"it's not feasible and a nonsense operating model" - a bit wordy but *mic drop*
It costed 1500 dollars...
Without DRM free mp3 files i wouldn't even use and buy music albums at google music.
That is why i don't buy Movies there either. And no, i do not pay for any steaming. I want to own of what i spend money for.
Google should at least give us a steam key for every game as well and it would be a lot better already.
I do the same. I could pay about $10 a month for all albums temporarily or buy an album a month and have all the albums I want eventually.
“Nothing in life is certain”
Are you trying to sell us a product Google or are you telling us you have absolutely no idea what you’re even offering us?
Wasn’t going to purchase a Stadia either way but that statement says a lot about what Google actually thinks about Stadia working for any length of time.
Just a reminder that you DON'T own any of the games you buy on these kinds of services. You're just buying permission to play them.
Permission that can be revoked at ANY time for ANY reason and there's nothing you can do to prevent it.
Same can be said with all videogames you buy
@@Trashboat4444 not really
I mean you can go buy a physical copy of a game and nobody can take it from you.
Given that there's some form of offline play.
@@Trashboat4444 no. The ps4 lets you play your blu ray games even if your account is suspended. And on steam they let you have access to all content you have purchased. Then again people who have a good PC aren't really worried about these things. They can just pirate.
KGames 22
So not only physical copies that can’t be taken away when you buy it you could keep digital copies on your hard drive. It’s kinda illegal to force you to delete things that’s already on your computer.
No shit, that's the whole point of game streaming, so companies get full control of your games.
Yea, I'm not down with that shit. Matter of fact, gimme my hard copy
Just look at ubisoft trying to ban people in a single player game.
"Sorry, you are not allowed to play the game through our services anymore cause you cheated XP instead of buying the XP boost"
Yeah, i don't want the gaming industry to go that direction.
I could not agree more with this whole comment chain. You know the market is being manipulated in accordance with an ulterior motive when there is a clear demand for a product or service, yet not only is it not being met, the suppliers are actively trying to move in the opposite direction!
@@Ms.Strahl I couldn't agree more thank goodness they still are smart gamers out in the world!
@@PvtPlaysFunny That's what they call "FuTuRE of gAmiNg"
Its not guarantee of ownership and safety.
Its a surprising spontaneous security leak.
[30-07-2019_23_41.]
The other problem with this thing: It's by Google.
A fundamental flaw.
I dont see the "upside" to Stadia.
Being locked to just streaming seems like a huge downside, not a feature.
"Exactly how we've been doing with gMail, Docs, Music, Movies, Photos... and Reader, Wave, Google+, Picasa, Google Video... oops"
Picasa was a huge bummer for my family... Sad times
isnt gmail doing fine? atleast i hope because its my email source if its not id hate to have it suddenly disappear like google tend to do to things theu make that dont do well
twincannon I think Gmail is doing alright. Everything else is garbage
Wilma Perkins
Yeah gmail is still good. Then again it should be. It’s email...same type of system we’ve seen since the old America Online days.
@@wilmagregg3131 Yeah, the comment was split in two. After "Photos" are all the ones that failed.
I've had rental homes where the owner decided to sell, or got foreclosed on; both forced me to move with no notice and considerable expense. I've also played several online TCG/collectible/tokens games that did not last and my purchases are worthless.
There's no bleeping way I am going to "buy" games whose ownership remains in the cloud and only accessible as long as the business remains viable. Good luck, Google, but no.
hear hear, David. Stadia is not even cheaper than a console when you factor in the subscription cost
are there no laws protecting tenants in the us? (if you are from there)
Discord Draconequus To a degree. The rental/sale happened quite a while ago. However the foreclosure on the landlord we were renting from happened in the late 90's. By law, the bank had to seize the property back from the landlord and legally treat us as squatters. The sheriffs were there and gave us notice that we had 3 days to evacuate or be thrown out. They were very kind and understanding, but that's just the way it was. All four families were in a complete panic on what to do. Normally you have 30-60 days depending on the state laws.
The important parallel here is that someone else owning all your games without you being able to download locally is a horrible principle. Think of every title you have ever played that got cancelled. Now imagine its ALL your titles that get cancelled.
I absolutely do have music and movies I stream, and I also can download them to my devices. The streaming aspect is secondary to the ownership of the files.
Buying game titles and then being told how and when I can access them is a fool's lark. Also go to the page and you can see they will be implementing in-game transactions. So you pay full price for a game, then pay an access fee to determine at what quality you can enjoy them at, then support more 'games-as-services' fees. A new outfit, or access to content at quality resolutions and sounds (that, by the way is limited to some pretty small areas thanks to our infrastructure, and this is one of the biggest boondoggles to ever hit gaming. Even Fifa Ultimate Team is starting to look acceptable in comparison.
@@Toganni dont worry, i complete am with you on that one. Stadia is terrible.
I was just asking out of curiosity
Everybody: So we can stream games anywhere?
Google: Well yes,but actually no
*Well no, but actually no.
Google: how about we lie and pretend we do, but nothing will actually work
It'd be like if Netflix charged you the full price for each show and DVD.
..on top of its monthly subscription fee no less!
they don't even know if they will "continue investing" in stadia until they know how much money it will make them.
Even though in UK I don't have a data cap, with stadia on highest quality, I would probably get hit by the fair usage policy.
It's a no from me.
Roll on ps5 and Xbox next year
It'll see use from the tech bugmen around Seattle where I live, but I can't imagine it'll sell much elsewhere.
Microsoft is putting Game Pass on everything. That's a better deal. If you can buy the new Xbox you can turn the current one into a streaming Cloud. They said this at E3. Stadia is hot garbage
Why buy new consoles? What’s wrong with the current generation?
Google wants to have contol of access to Cloud Gaming. Too centralized for me.
0:00 "i think that cloud gaming is-"
Yeah im never doing streaming/ cloud gaming for anything that isnt an mmorpg. I dont want to need an internet connection to play Uncharted.
@Kent Arnold basically unplayable
Do you come from a land down under?
@Kent Arnold sort of like failout 76?
How many idiots used to say this with movies or DVDs. Yet Streaming services are some of the most popular entertainment services in the world now
@@MilkySubstance except once again games are far far different from movies
"It's kinda hard to find a CD player now"
(points at car) Found a CD player.
*Opens up Amazon* I found quite a few
Better counter arguement to the streaming thing: those are streaming. You pay a monthly fee and get as much content as you can digest. You can also download stuff for offline usage on all the mediums he stated. Stadia you have to buy all your own games at full price and not be able to download them
GoG Galaxy store: U buy the game from our store with no monthly costs whatsoever n the game is permanently yours.
Google Stadia: U pay us $15 monthly n then u can pay full price, but remember despite paying so much money none of the games r permanently yours y cause f$%& u give us money.
And it's not lock in a launcher just a good ol .exe installation
Google don't seem to realise that nobody is going to pay a sub fee AND game price when monthly pass is a thing now. But then, they're a bunch of loony lefties who aren't known for their pragmatism.
Me : Give me a reassurance
Google : Nothing in life is certain
Me : Okay bye.
At least Steam has an automatic fail safe system for everyone's games they go DRM Free if Steam go's under.
At least valve has a back up plan
Gaben is our only savior
which is completely different from Stadia they let you keep access to the games, just like Steam on legacy platforms like Windows XP and Mac OS while you can no longer get any new updates to the platform rendering some games completely inoperable because they're not compatible with an old version all the games that do work have their blocks removed so you can continue to use them
Pretty sure that is an urban myth. Apart from that one remark from Gaben years ago, if Valve was going under I'd doubt it would get into more legal hot water with publishers by giving away their games DRM-free without their permission.
The only way to guarantee your library forever is to buy physical, from GOG or to hoist the black flag, matie.
@Smattless They NEVER have confirmed this people have message support in the past and the boiler plate response has always been they have measures in place to try and ensure people retain acces to the games but thats not a guarantee... If you read steams TOS you dont actually own any game you purchase on the platform your only paying for access just like Stadia so if steam shutdowns they legally can just go under taking all the games you purchased with them but that would be marketing hell to admit that just like it has been for google.
On-Live for those that recall that. You payed a monthly fee for unlimited access to all their games. That was Nextflix for games. It was just too early for something like it that caused that to fail. This will more or less blockbuster for games. As you rent them for full price. You don't own them. Thus this will fail too I suspect.
"I don't feel that the infrastructure is there" - as the video pauses to load on my gigabit internet connection. I hear you Yong, I hear you.