The Iskall85 Allegations and the Future of the Community
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ม.ค. 2025
- A short overview and opinion on the Iskall85 allegations. Please respect the victims as well as collaborators and community volunteers of Vault Hunters and Iskall85 discord, as they have done nothing wrong in this matter.
All sources to this video are public. Some can be found on the public discord servers for Vault Hunters and Iskall85, and the rest can be found here:
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Hey, I just want you to remember the founder of hermit craft itself was rejected and hermitcraft is still a beautiful thing. I hope ypur community survives on in a new form filled with fun and good morals
That's a bit too idealistic in this situation. Large community based around one person and their creations isn't really comparable to small and close group of people. The power dynamics are way different and the community as a whole is fairly loose in comparison
@drgallant I didn't say it was super easy and amazing. Just trying to inspire some hope.
Wait are you talking about Generik B?
Another sad example that reminds us, that you won't fully know a person. As a active member for over 8 years, it rly came as a surprise.
And while i will only make up my mind after i heard both sides, i don't rly see a future for the community even in the best case scenario.
you have heard both sides
@Megasteel32 as far as I'm aware, Iskall has not commented on that topic in any communication channel.
it wont change community itself just like vaulthunters itself is an amezing modpack even if we find out if iskall did do something it wont change the fact that he isnt necceserily bad person. people make mistakes we dont know what he actually did if it was between two adult people then it dosent consern us. it all depends and as of now we dont know anything also staying silent is often the best course of action for both guilty and unguilty since its socialmedia any wrong word can change the whole context
@@istoOi we have screenshots of his messages, thats the commentary needed
@@mihkelvarga1624 bro is a groomer how tf you gonna say they arent a bad person??
This honestly can't be a surprise to anyone. Iskall seems like a Flirty person in general. especially The way he jokes around with Stress and others. Not to disregard his actions mind you
For what its worth, I noticed that too. In comparison to the others the jokes were just a bit more off-colored.
The amount of iskall glazers here in the comments are wild
i mean its really not, the only people watching this video were likely fans of him or fans of hermitcraft, nobody outside this community cares about this drama, on top of that theres only a handful of screenshots that have been released, all seemingly consensual conversations. it makes sense that a lot of people, like me, want more evidence of the crime before we decide to crucify him.
if the problem is that he was shooting his shot and missed, there's nothing wrong with that, but if he was sending pics to people who didn't want them, that's actually a crime. only him and the 2 girls know what actually happened in their messages, and if they never release those messages, then we can never know what he actually said or did.
tldr; if they have more evidence, they should post it, there is a digital footprint of every interaction between them, if they choose not to post it, im going to assume that there is no evidence of what they claim.
This is why I stopped parasocially stanning youtubers and stopped joining their fandoms or stopped helping out via volunteer work. I've been let down by quite some youtubers before, small and insanely big, simply due to them showing their real colors. I rather not want to know. I also feel this should be a warning for youtubers to stop being weird to the people who befriend them or help them. Do better. You're a public figure now.
For those who wonder: I've been an iskall subscriber since late season six or early season 7 of Hermitcraft. I am no longer subscribed because of this incident.
I agree. I basically never interact with a "community" of any of my interests nowadays. I just quietly enjoy them. I've even tried to start cutting back on even commenting on youtube videos regarding those interests.
Yup. Though I have to say, people I expected it from would be Iskall85. My radar went off on his laugh. Joel is also sometimes pushing it in the jokes department, but it seems hes tried to reel in his agenda a bit.
People I expect it the least from would be; BdoubleO, Docm77 and Ethoslab, in that order.
yeah but i think its also imposible to hold normal ppl who happen to be popular to that insane standard bc most youtubers are not perfect beings and i think we should give them leeway in that regard but not to the point where anything goes for now to me this seems blown out of proportion tho i think he should have resined from hermitcraft but not reveal reason behind it bc most of the ppl envolved are just as dumb and make stupid decisions as he is
This was very well said. I'm still saddened that he hasn't come forward to make a statement. Deny, admit, apologize for any inappropriate actions. Those wondering why it's wrong when "it seems consenual", if this was an in-person job & iskall is their boss, this would be sexual harassment, as long as those women felt obligated to engage or lose their job. Pappa, I love what you said about the persona & the trust broken. It nails it perfectly. I'm older than him, probably many of you, and I'm highly disappointed he's not spoken up about it.
Iskall is the least suspected member to be accused of something like this. I would picture more someone like Ren in this positon, given the countless inappropriate adult jokes he sometimes sprinkles into his streams. But that's about it, just adult jokes that are nothing serious. This is far from it. And nobody would expect Iskall to be the one doing it. Saying I'm terribly disappointed in Iskall would be an understatement. At the same time, it's quite hard for me to wrap my head around this matter, I still can't believe it. Iskall, who I respected not only as a good content creator, but also quite a prodigy in coding and programming area (given his work on the Vault Hunters modpack he's making, sporting also some of his own mods in it), so being a content creator and a developer I thought of him to be quite okay. But this isn't okay, he turns out to be a total creep. I feel so sorry for all the victims, including but not limited to those who stepped into the spotlight or were mentioned in the threads, directly or indirectly. Be strong, and don't put up with crappy behaviour like that. Iskall needs to answer those allegations publicly, make a public statement about the matter. If something like this is false allegations, that could have a negative impact on the credibility of the person. But at the same time, if it is true, the guilty should be punished for this misdeveanor.
I still don't know what he did?
Adultery and flirting with his community members who looked up to him under false pretenses. Its a little scummy and ran counter to his brand and the brand of Hermitcraft. It lead to a bit of a moral grey area with other Hermits and it seemed that Iskall preferred to bow out instead of letting a drama fester from his mistake.
He is a man on the Internet and one of the protected class decided they would cast the first stone.
@@ImranKhan-ty9ij Was looking for this. I was pretty sure this was the jist of it, but not much direct info was given.
I've watched iskall since season 9 started and in his discord as aidan. I'm currently givng him the benefit of the doubt until I know more about what's going on
HermitCraft season 4 is good tier HermitCraft content because of Iskall. Now Iskall and Ren were very close friends to the point of visiting each other irl. Now something happened and they didn't talk for two years. To me that was worse than what is going on now. HC should scrub him from history
Why did they stop talking cuz in hc10 they played a lot together
Erasing bad people from history is worse than acknowledging that you've moved on from them. We need to learn from our mistakes somehow. We can't do that if we pretend we never made them.
What!!!
i still dont understand what happened because the only consersations that they released seem consensual on both sides, awkward maybe, but i dont see anywhere they state to him to stop or that they are uncomfortable or anything like that, if he sent unsolicited pictures, then that is a problem, if not, i dont understand what makes these people "victims". forgive me if i sound insensitive, but it doesn't seem like there was any harrassment or anything unconsentual, certainly nothing illegal, so im really not sure why there is drama about it unless there's much more damning evidence that hasn't been publicized, but im not gonna lobby hate for iskall unless something actually damning becomes publics
It’s important to realize everything is speculation until Iskall makes a public statement
You are right that we should not judge Iskall, and he may still be innocent - and I would wish that all the allegations could be disproven - but as I said in the video, the two persons who have come forward are well known in the community and to me, and many others from the community, they have very good credibility.
All this should be something between Iskall and the persons who claim to have been taken advantage of, it really should be none of our business, but it becomes our business because it goes so much against the character of Iskall as we thought we knew him and against the values that we thought he had, that it will be very hard to enjoy his content again without thinking of the allegations - and even if they were disproven there will always be trolls bringing them up again.
So either way this makes the allegations a crisis for the community, and depending on what Iskall will say and do, and how the community leaders tackle this, the community is at a risk of slowly crumbling or suddenly disintegrating, which is why the community leaders are right now, understandably, walking a tight rope in trying to preserve the community. What I wanted to bring forward is the recognition of their effort and the hope for their success.
I don't fully agree with you on that one. Probably because the allegations themselves are nothing particularly severe, and so the evidence we have is enough. If it was me (a nobody) in his place, it would have ended with people not talking to me anymore, but that's about it (if I've read the statements correctly, that is. Maybe I missed something crucial, which is quite possible). In the end (again, if I'm not mistaken), he's accused of adultery. The actual problem was that he was in a position of strength, which amplified things. It's probably the reason why several hermits don't reveal their identity, then they can enjoy (and suffer) the life of being a nobody.
In a lot of cases in these situations when the person is guilty he never makes a statement about it and just tries to run and get himself off the internet. there is a very good chance he will never speak online again and very sadly that would point to him being guilty.
Iskall resigning and not saying anything speaks volumes. If none of it was true than he could have said so and be done with it. That didn't happen. He choose to run.
@@Mar10K0ng guilty of adultery and flirting? Like 90% of everyone else with an online presence? Do you care when your boy is hitting up multiple women in their DMs? Or what about your girl playing MMOs and egirling for free mounts and gear etc? Literally this is the internet. Stop putting people on pedestals and start holding everyone accountable, including yourself and your mates, to the same standard before getting on here and throwing stones at 1 dude.
Another no name youtuber trying to milk some views by making a video on a famous youtuber caught in a controversy. And as always , no information or analysis of any value added, same old narrative that has been repeated by many others, and this one is even late to the party, almost like they just discovered this and thought I could make a video about it.
If you had bothered to see through the entire video you would have noticed that the recap of the accusations, and the update on the most recent reactions from collaborators, serve as the basis for a discussion about the future of the community - which is the point of the video. I have been waiting to hear from Iskall85 himself, but since he has chosen to remain silent, I think now is the time to begin talking about how to preserve the community, if it is possible, before it just slowly dissolves.
Milk are you fr??
@@nihilisticfella Its called a metaphor, kid.
why are you watching then
@@ハナ́-u8p you never heard of criticism? Is the comment section only for saying nice things about your daddy youtubers?
I like iskall and I'm sad that he does not communicate, I hopped VH developers are in contact with him, but they don't 😞 This is worst. He is like small kid, not adult.
he is a 40 year old grown man
@@GraceGam But it does not mean he is adult nor responsible. He just vanished, don't responding to messages, don't communicate with his own developers/employes.
I expected something better from him 🤷♀ At least some kind of apologize message/video. What he did was bad, but it is not end of the world.
@@mkyral do you mean his is behaving like a child by not issuing a response? I agree, he should have addressed his community instead of ghosting them
@@GraceGam Yeah. Sorry if I confused you. English is not my native language.
@ its okay! No need to apologize
Bro got kicked out of hermitcraft just cause he got L rizz💀
I'm not going to defend iskall from allegations made. If they are true, its a rather scummy thing, even if it is not illegal. However, the double standard is wild. Women have long since manipulated and abused men on video game platforms for their own personal gain, often times financially benefitting from the transaction. This is equally deplorable and until we decide to hold everyone accountable to the same standard, I'm not going to start holding a single actor to that standard.
yea aslo if it was a conflict between two adult who are we to judge it dosent consern us unless he did something that is without a doubt intentional as far as we know he may have done nothing or could have made a mistake. we are humans not perfect beings.
@@mihkelvarga1624 right. Speaking and flirting and being involved with multiple partners is a trend of the modern internet world. It is not illegal. Further, facts would need to come forward for me to condemn iskall for his behavior and abandon his platform. Also, from what I have seen, unless iskall intentionally deceived these individuals for the sake of making progress on the projects, or to financially benefit from their relationship, then I don't see the grounds to call this manipulation or abuse.
The problem here isn't that what iskall did is OK it's that those other examples arent. the fact that when other people who did the same thing people didn't take it sereously doesn't mean we should now act the same way.
I'm sorry, women have been doing what! That is a very general statement. I hope you have actual examples to make such a statement. It sounds like throwing all women under the bus. At the very least, I highly doubt any of the female hermits are engaging in this behavior(and if I'm proven wrong in the future, I will be the first to call them out when I learn about it).
@Gilly2020 okay or not, his behavior is not illegal. And at the end of the day, the only thing he has done is lead multiple people on. How is that different than anyone else dating and messing around on the internet?
I'm not going to cancel someone like an angry, ignorant mob just because the guy was in multiple adult women's DMs. People cheat every day, still not a crime.
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Nobody is perfect, people make mistakes, if he apologizes and shows remorse, I have no problem supporting him.
Indeed.
do you have any context to accuse iskall or to prove he has done something because in the video that you made you are pretty mutch accusing him already without showing any proof of him doing something
I am not accusing, I am simply giving a short recap on the information available now as the basis for a discussion about the future of the community. But I realize that not all will have the patience to dig for further information themselves, so I have added links to the public sources in the video description - thank you for pointing out htis shortcoming.
You neved even say What he did @@pappawolf
@dope3993 he repeatedly "sexted" to several members of his community. And from what I've read in the statements, he didn't really take no for an answer. Nothing severe, but I wouldn't want to be friends with such a person either. But then we also have to take into account that he was like a manager in a company. Imagine your higher-ups at the office did the same to you.
Until there's concrete evidence, i ain't believing it. So many people point fingers and call abuse now and it makes me wonder how much of it is real.
There is concrete evidence or Iskall wouldn't have dropped off the internet and dissappeared.
where's that evidence?
@@Mar10K0ng Bullshit. I genuinely do not believe you actually rationalize the world in this way. You might be an unprincipled and immoral hypocrite, but what boggles my mind is the subtle implication that you dishonestly believe you are rational.
Sorry but if they felt uncomfortable then why continue communication with him. Yes his actions are bad but it seems to me like it was avoidable... just my opinion probably gunna get some people having a go about it though lol
Mate some people react differently and have no idea what to do in those situations.
Dont victim blame the victim.
Sometimes people have no idea what to do and in that case that's not her fault.
Some people either freeze, get too uncomfortable, or don't know what to do in those situations and so it still happens.
Taking advantage of a person not knowing what to do so they do what you do is scummy mate
However i do want to clarify we don't have enough info on the specific situation with iskall, my opinion here is more for general cases.
@@mr.bomzalo9563 "Victim" xD lmfao... of online flirting? How will she ever go on with her life after this trauma?
I WAS MADE TO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DELETE ALL YOUR ONLINE PRESENCE BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO ANYWAY HAHA.
2 gone means 2 new members who arent fake. Lets stay positive. Also, no minors involved, which is a first for a minecraft youtuber. Kudo's.. I guess. No offense to their fans, but only those 2 I just couldnt watch full-on episodes of. I only checked their progress because its Hermitcraft. I saw them both as manipulative and, even if its a character, a bit rude. Kinda hard to explain as an outsider, but they wanted others to do their thing, not really the other way around. Their shenanigans were more like trolling, too. Their builds lacked a certain flair in comparison to the rest, like they didnt really care and knew this was the last one (guess I was right). I really wonder if this is why Wels took a break from Hermitcraft, or if thats just timing.
calling stress manipulative and fake is crazy - she aint even do nothing 💀
@zenith_3 not in the same extend as iskall, but once you notice it, youll not not notice it 🤷♂️
im sorry but at anytime as far as i seen the "alleged victim" could at any time said as 2 adults would "Im not into you" instead of keeping up a show to trash a mans career for allegations that may yes be bad but she could easy said stop it. its not highschool its the real world and in the real would you you gonna get hit on THATS LIFE im sorry but id still watch iskall he was funny and i enjoyed his content. Plus i love Vault Hunters to me it looks like 2 ppl that could of easy stated months and months ago plaese im not into you. that being said iskall did take it a bit far but from what i read there was only avoidance of it not an actual please stop. if there was i never read it or she hasn't released it and that means well ...
Hear the pastor's sermon! Who among us is blameless? Who among us has a mandate from Heaven?
not the e-harizzment 😭
Lame