Breath of the Wild: Great Plateau's BIG Secret? (Zelda Theory)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- The Great Plateau is the starting area of the new Zelda game, Breath of the Wild. But could it be the very same location as Ocarina of Time's Castle Town?
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I analyse what could be the ruins of Ocarina of Time's Castle Town found in Breath of the Wild's Great Plateau. If these are indeed the ruins of this famous town, why? What could this mean for the game's story?
Sheikahs built an iPad that freezes time and teleports you, I think they could move a city easily.
Yeah... I think they moved the castle... Or didn't and they just moved the castle
Town
@Doggie -_- Fact check: you are wrong.
I’m saying this my opinion I get to confuse because there are two castles
The thing that I think is worth remembering is that when it comes to Zelda, worldbuilding has ALWAYS been secondary to gameplay. Given that, I don't think that smaller details, such as the 90 degree change in placement of the Castle Town gate or the apparent shift in location of Castle Town, affect the validity of this theory. Environments from past games that we revisit in newer titles nearly always look different from their original counterpart, so these variations could be thought more as minor tweaks in game design, especially given that OoT was made all the way back in '98.
The major details -- the existence of the fountain, the ruins, the Temple of Time clearly being modeled after OoT's version -- are what really count here. Nintendo included them precisely so we could come to the obvious conclusion: That the Great Plateau is, almost irrefutably, the ruins of Castle Town from Ocarina of Time. The simplest solution in this situation really is the best one.
Very good point. Nintendo has never made the story, of any of their games, a major priority. Though, it does make me wonder why overanalyzing these games is even worth it sometimes.
Its also worth noting that the events of ocarina of time are treated as legend in other games. For all we know the ocarina of time we played could retroactively be just an interpretation of a legend. That would be an easy way around all of the geographical changes.
I love that five years ago we basically stumbled upon the tears of the kingdom promise. The great plateau in the Korok forest absolutely got switched because they got put into the sky at some point.
As an alternative to Castle Town being physically moved, I would suggest the possibility that you're just looking at the map from the wrong relative angle. In the Lord of the Rings series, Dwarves are known to draw their maps so that the top is East rather than North. Since this map is given to you by the Shiekah Slate, it is possible that they just use a different point of reference on their maps than Hylians. Then any other inconsistency could be cleared up by continental drift or some such thing.
I believe the same thing and commented above on it. The map being rotated would explain a lot, along with Death Mountain (possibly now Mt Hylia) being dormant - it's likely Death Mountain, a newer active volcano was seen in Twilight Princess, and regardless of what timeline this was based in, after Ocarina of Time the volcano could be dormant, the movement of tectonic plates would mean the new Death Mountain would always exist (unless somehow losing to or defeating Ganon has the bizarre effect of changing tectonic plate movement) .
BOtW 2 castle rising proves this far as I'm concerned
How so?
@@BackPalSA In the video he talks about areas of the map rising and sinking due to the Sheikah tech, and the Breath of the Wild sequel trailer shows Hyrule castle rising.
This isn't true though
Castle town is right before the castle. Also, an Easter egg on the game is Lon Lon Ranch's ruins
Man you might be right! After watching the botw2 trailer I came back immediately here. There's some land-mass-lifting (the castle) shit happening (and probably it happened in the past too), that would explain the location shifting. Damn!! I'm so hyped!!!!
I've had this theory in my head the whole time, but I am loving the evidence you are presenting. Great video.
The Legend of Zelda: The Link Between these maps
LEL - The lovely, extremely classy and totally not perverted Noble of Lost Pause.
it hits hard seeing those ruins
What the fuck is your profile picture
+Yousef Ramadan what the fuck is yours? mine is a rebel flag/Union Jack combo but I cannot make yours out.
Haha, mines is some guy in front of multiple lens flares, I'm edgy
+Yousef Ramadan looks cool
Union Flag*
A Jack is specifically a ships flag.
Do you guys think the Great Plateau is what remains of Castle Town?
Yes
+Zacarías Gage I thank it's true
I like the theory, it was the first thing that I thought. It all makes sense, except for the fact that, there already IS a Hyrule Castle and the old man even called it that. It's really quite puzzling to be honest...
Considering how often Hyrule Castle seems to change location, it's not that big of a stretch to assume they relocated at one point. Sometimes it's next to the ToT, sometimes it's a Hyrule Field away.
+ComboSloth They could build another castle cause the older was totally scrapped
inb4 "Ockareener of Time"
lol
inb4 "Breath Of The Wind"
Came down here to say this. >:[
mwahaha
Hi Zeltik,
I have a couple of thoughts based on your placement of the OoT map.
If you notice, on the BotW map there is a round patch at the end of the road to Hyrule Castle just before the archway. This could be the position of Ganon's Castle at the end of Ocarina of Time which didn't take the place of the castle, it occupied the grassy hill space just before Hyrule Castle. In BotW it could be the place of the Bokoblin's Skull Fort which is shown to be right before and to the left of the archway. It is likely that at the end of Ocarina of Time the Castle ruins are hidden by the cliffs that now exist around Ganon's tower, cliffs that would have been created by digging out the massive lava pit that exists below Ganon's floating tower. OoT of time never shows the state of the castle after Ganon occupies Hyrule.
I don't believe that Hyrule Castle Town has been moved in BotW, the map, it may simply have been rotated so the top of the map is south and the bottom is north - I don't recall seeing a compass anywhere in the footage so far. It's very likely that Mt Hylia below the Temple of Time is in fact a now dormant Death Mountain. This could be explained by the death of Volvagia in OoT. The game's have shown that what Hyrule calls Death Mountain has a tendency to change between games, so this would make sense. This could also mean that the Hylia River was formerly called Zora River. Cities have a tendency to expand and this would also help to explain the misplaced town entrance.
Every time I see footage of Tears of the Kingdom, I remember this theory (exactly when Hyrule castle is being raised and all the islands floating in the sky). It makes a lot of sense that somehow the big plateau was moved intentionally to that location and also with the forgotten temple (placed in the middle of nowhere). I am so hyped to see something about this!
I've been thinking about this. As we all know at the end of OoT Hyrule Castle was destroyed in the final battle (Downfall and Adult) or in the ware that followed (Child), so this theory makes perfect since that a new castle would be built. But that leaves the question of the Guardians. If the castle was already in ruins, why were they attacking it? Where they looking for something, if so, what?
EmeraldDragon I could guess that the guardians were searching for a still recovering Link when they still had run of most of the land of hyrule. They couldn’t get very far most likely due to Zelda using her sealing powers to trap Ganon and limit his power over the guardians, which may account for why they only managed to get to one small area at the top of the great plateau.
The ruins are called the Eastern Abbey in BOTW. It's possible that when a new site for hyrule castle was selected the clergy from the Temple of Time decided to put the rubble to good use and build themselves a place to live. Abbeys are often as large as palaces. This kind of building recycling is something people often do: The Coliseum in Rome is in the state that it's in, not (just?) because of war or bombardment, but because the locals disassembled parts of it and carted it off to make their own stuff.
As a seat the Time priests/priestesses (Servants of Hylia? Servants of the Sages?) perhaps Ganon was concerned they knew of a means to weaken/attack/seal him. This would make them an important target.
Or the Guardians may have come as servants of the Yiga whose job it was to find the recovering hero, and they imagined the holy servants of Time/Hylia/The Sages might have been entrusted with that knowledge...
@@LuciaFiero where I live we once had high walls to protect the small village my town bloomed from and now those walls are a 3rd of their original height it's said that the walls stones were reused in building more homes for the villages growth into the town it became
hylians: let's take castle town, and push it somewhere else!!
Things makes so much sense now! This could explain why the OoT castle town was in such a weird place in TP, while everywhere else hardly ever really moved.
Great video once again dude! I love how you explain things! You truly are like one of the smartest Zelda fans on this site! You are so awesome! :)
Zeltik, I wouldnt be surprised if you were to one day wake up with the first Copy of the Legend Of Zelda: Breath Of The Wild. You are Legit one of the best, if not THE BEST Zelda channel to date. (My Opinion, many would agree im Asuming) And if you were to get a copy, you need to do a livestream man, definitel.
Definitely
Why did you respond with a post agreeing with your original statement?
+RetroMetro I was actually correcting my spelling error at the end XP
Okay, I read a bit of the comments, but no one said anything about tectonic plates. This game is supposedly WAAAAAYYY after all the Zelda games. If we take that into consideration, it would make sense with tectonic plates. Everything is relatively close to Death Mountain, so earthquakes and plate movement is highly likely.
I believe that plate movement, is likely, and if it takes place as far in the future as I think it does, there is little to no flaws in this theory. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Asher Holliday yes, but this was only 10k years, that shit move like a mile in 100k years lol
Nice script as always, bro ;)
Great Plateau is a much larger repositioning of the land than Skyloft was, hm? Those are definitely ruins of Ockareener's landmarks.
This might sound weird but I see that your profile pictures are always of the back of Link's head, I remember seeing you somewhere and I think you were using a disqus account. Your name is the same and I think your profile picture was the gameplay from 2014 of the back of Link's head. This was random but I just wanted to point that out lol
It was from 2014. Good eye, kupo. Hello.
+Joseph Alicea he frequents Zelda Informer a lot so it might be there, that's where I always see him anyway
" Ockareener's"?
I believe the theory that the Great Plateau is the same location as OoT Castle town is correct but you make a huge stretch by saying it's in a different position so that means it was moved.
Let's not forget this is a game and if they have to mimick or follow older games exactly as they were that would be a HUGE limitation, so Castle town is in a different position because it suits this game and that's it, all subtle differences between Zelda games can be explained by that, nobody would want any new Zelda to be limited to what old Zeldas did.
Think of the new gods(?)/guardians(?) that Twilight Princess introduced, they where never mentioned in other Zeldas further in the Timeline, the goddess Hylia is also a good example for this, Hylia as a goddess was NEVER mentioned in any other game in the timeline which is ridiculous to even consider since she is the highest God in the Legend of Zelda phanteon.
I agree with you. It IS the ruins of OOTs Castle Town, Nintendo just moved its overall location for aesthetics and gameplay reasons, that's all.
I cant se any reason for them to move it there if for less limitations. Surely if they had this idea from the start of, wich i think they did, they would have planned out these areas from OOT first, then filled in the gaps around them. And in Zelda, there has rarely been any "its like that because its a game" most things have been related to other things. And also, having this area in the middle couldnt possibly create any limitations. I dont know what is in the middle of the map, but the platoue is just plains with a small mountain. If they had lowered it back to the ground or even just moved some hills in the middle, it would make no more limitations than it does where it is.
passthetoiletpaper i haye to rain on your parade but there is a specific quote that zelda has the bood of hylia- which became the skyward sword zelda lol.
The first mention of the Three Goddesses, Farore, Din and Nayru, is in Ocarina of Time. They are the goddesses who created the world and all that is in it. The guardians in Twilight Princess are named after these goddesses (don't remember their exact names), same as the dragons in Breath of the Wild (Farosh, Dinraal and Naydra). Julia is not the highest goddess in the pantheon, she had nothing to do with the creation of the world. There are theories that she was the Goddess of Time and Space, since most powers associated with her seem to be Space-Time related (Song of Time, Sun's Song, Prelude of Light, raising and lowering the Skyloft plateau, etc....).
It is true, Nintendo tends to not care about precision alignment between games, but at the very least ever since the official timeline has been published, they were making an effort to keep things recognisable and consistent, at least as far as geography goes. It might be skewed by a few degrees and resized disproportionately, but it always fits the rough pattern. And as technology allows for more and more granular detail, the effort is made to increase the precision of the details.
The great plateau looks like it has been cut out of the ground and placed on top of the land in a different manner to skyloft landing in the sealed grounds. The sealed grounds were a depression that matched the depth of the Skyloft landmass almost precisely, leaving the edges of the landed Skyloft (which became the Castle and city of Hyrule, built around the sealed temple which was bricked inside the temple of Time) almost flush with the surrounding landscape. But the landscape of the great plateau, while it probably is the same piece of rock that used to be skyloft, is not sunk in flush into a matching hole. The lands that are the great plateau have been moved from a different location, using the same magic Hylia used to raise skyloft into the air, and deposited where it is now.
He already said that in the vid
Ok damn, this game keeps surprising me by the giant amount of detail.
This video gave me shivers. I kind of got history channel vibes from it, like when those excavators go to ancient ruins and discover things about the past based on the bones and left over buildings they find. Very good video.
The Life in the Ruins trailer seems to explain the placement of Castle Town. There is a second Castle Town from Twilight Princess located where a second northern castle is. And that castle is the same as Twilight Princess as well. This seems to be implying that this is Twilight Princess' map recreated. Twilight Princess' map was heavily inspired by Ocarina but everything was moved further north due to the entire civilization moving.
BlackBelt002 waot wait wait... Theres a second castle?
He means Hyrule Castle from Twilight Princess, which has been blown up btw!
After Link & Zelda are teleported out of the castle, you get to see how a huge explosion at the castle's location occurs. During the rest of the battle, there's only smoke rising from there. No castle visible.
I'm 5 years late, but don't forget that in the Adult Timeline, the castle was obliterated by Ganon during Ocarina of Time. The abbey may have been built in place of the castle as a sort of tribute or religious homage, while the royal family's residence itself would have been rebuilt elsewhere... Still, it doesn't explain why Korok/Kokiri Forest is north of the castle now, and why Castle Town is where the south of the fields, north of lake Hylia!
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Zeltic, I have a very strong feeling that in Breath of the Wild, Link will somehow be able to travel back through time to where we are able to see and probably prevent what exactly went down outside the Tmple of Time and we will see what it used to looked like. Imagine going back and it's a replica of OOT like you say!! 😍
I love the theory here. I like to think this is a prequel to the Twilight Princess, after the events of Majoras Mask. Where Link has had time to grow up and adventure more, went back to Hyrule and for some reason, the Shieka felt like they needed to seal him away in case Ganondorf were to ever revive (like he always does), or if some other force were to threaten Hyrule.
The new Hyrule Castle feels very Twilight princess-y, especially with the dark ganon magic engulfing it.
I like that theory! Just thinking it could be after Majora's Mask... It actually makes sense x3
Not likely since the master sword is rusted
Yeah, you're right... Maybe there's something behind that to explain?? I don't really know haha, the only think we can do is wait for the game to be released and the true story to be revealed x3
Oh yeah, I remember seeing that.
I remember some pictures of the Zelda timelines, and the end of the eras were named like, Shadow era or, Era of desctruction or something.
Could be a title to add to the end, with the decline of the master sword.
That, or there's like a Goron smith in this game that has some magical spit polish that can restore it, since it IS 100 years old or something.
Speculation is fun.
+00thisisnotreal00 it could be rusted because it hasn't been used in 100 years
I think the secret people are missing here is that it seems a whole crap load of locations from past Zelda games are getting squeezed into this one giant landscape or something, maybe even all of them (including Skyloft). If that's the case, this really could be something rather special.
This was exactly what I thought when I saw the e3 reveal
the temple of time being there, the lay out, the ruins.
also its description as "The birth place of hyrule"
The Goat Zonai where totally a retcon and this video proves it and this idea of the ruins of Castle Town (OoT) was even in the game a year before TotK was even out according to another video Zeltik made
The Great Plateau is totally floating!!
That was my first thought!
i did write this exact same thing elsewhere some days ago... the plateua seem to be hovering...
That'd explain the need of a paraglider to get off of it. I mean, why wouldn't Link just climb down?
Stumbling across this video years later and after Tears of the Kingdom made this an interesting watch yet again.
"The link between these maps"
*I see what you did there.*
Great Plateau ended up being the founding of Hyrule far over 10,000 years into the future. Lol. A Kingdom can be founded more than once. We were all wrong.
If this takes place before Twilight Princess, it would make sense that the ruins of castle town and Hyrule castle aren't yet forested. But that does raise even more questions about who built the 'new' Hyrule castle.
complete shot in the dark crazy isn't real theory but maybe this game takes place after twilight princess and ganon broke free or there was an uprising in the shadow realm leading them to make a new way back to hyrule thus making robot like creatures for the twilight creatures to live in and maybe thats why the sages are in the shrines trying to prevent ganon from escaping like he did in twilight princess killing a sage in the process
This is wind waker timeline.
+The Scout or the falling timeline. no one know yet
The Scout You can't just blatantly state something that isn't yet proven true. It's fine to believe that, but literally it could be anywhere on the timeline right now.
+Kole The Otaku indeed
Just in case you didn't know, Bill Trinen said in one of the E3 Treehouse presentations that the Great Plateau is only above the sky in the demo so you can't leave. You can leave it immediately by just climbing down in the full game.
Really? Can you provide a link? Pun intended.
I don't think they altered the landscape for the demo. They specifically said you use the sailcloth glider to glide down off the plateau, but the glider was unavailable during the demo, except for the special Treehouse version of the demo.
that is… not correct
but isn't calamity ganon trapped in hyrule castle. and the castle is not in ruins. did the gods move castle town but not the castle itself
No, they built a new castle.
The Great Plateau is clearly Ocarina of Time's Castle Town, but in the latest trailer we also know that Calamity Ganon is in Twilight Princess' Castle Town.
I see that you reversed that cutscene from skyward sword haha
;)
You almost 100% convinced me, some of the similarities are uncanny. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!!!!!
Things that exist in this game that only exist in the Fallen Timeline and nowhere else: Link's Yellow Stripe Cap, Lynels, Spectacle Rock. This is the fallen timeline, not the adult, not the child, the fallen. This is a response to those in the comments talking about this game and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. They're not in the same timeline as BoTW.
Give this man a gold nugget
Okay
Hyrule castle
And hyrule castle town are almost the same from twilight princess
Also the bridge from tp is in the game too
Nintendo wanted to reset the timelines
So they put many references to all zelda games
Spectacle Rock is in WindWaker.
I like the idea, and you presented it nicely. The idea that the Great Plateau doesn't naturally belong there seems genuinely interesting for the sake of the narrative.
Oh man! Watching your videos makes me want to play this game so bad!
Excelent theory and I really think and hope you are right about this! It's kinda sad to see the Hyrule I hold so close to my heart destroyed and forgotten like this. But its really encouraging to find out what happened to this world, why was link put to sleep for so many year and what the hell happened to Zelda and How did Ganon became that...that montrous dark aura. I'm so hyped!!
For me, this is for sure Ocarina's Castle Town, originally the Sealed Temple once upon a time.
Another reason why I think the Forgotten Temple is Skyward Sword's Temple of Time.
If BotW's main story developed more around this, it would have been so awesome
The landmarks are pretty striking, but I think to be honest the location of the Castle Town is simply "Hyrule has expanded a lot, and OOT Hyrule was left mostly to decay".
If you look at the image of the ruins, there is a mountain exactly where Death Mountain in OOT was. While Death Mountain is in a different place in BotW it's possible that one was named after it, and this mountain became dormant. The castle is also in a different place now, with the OOT one in ruins, which also supports this.
this is just a hundred years after Ocarina of Time
When was this confirmed again? Does your father like work alongside Anouma or something?
Not confirmed
100 years from the bustling castle town in OOT to the debris filled world in Breath of the Wild? All I believe that was confirmed was that he had been sleeping in the cave for that long. Nothing about timing.
I don't think so. but for sure, it takes place after. so skyward sword timeline deconfirmed...
+Keep Calm and Game it would make sense if it's the downfall timeline as castle town was ruined 7 years in the future and if link failed it would most likely never be repaired
As a game dev student I have a bit of a different take on why castle town appears to have moved.
In games where the player has full control of the camera, its incredibly difficult to show the player what you want them to see. This is especially true in an open world.
The shrine of resurrection is the only time in the game where the player is technically forced to see what nintendo wants them see because they have to exit the shrine of resurrection. The exit of the shrine is a framing device used to show off 2 major points of interest; Hyrule Castle and Death Mountain.
Nintendo clearly deemed it nessecary that the shrine of resurrection had to be near the temple of time, which in turn means the only way to get that establishing shot is to change where the original castle town was situated geographically. It's just a simple design decision mean to ensure the game opens up with a bit of wow factor.
Does the sun rise and set in the same location for both games?
This man is asking the right question. Then again, the Master quest version of OoT3D is a mirrored version of the original so you could pick any of the two to make sense of this theory.
I know some people have said in the past that landmarks moving around is weird but at the same time it makes sense with Gannon showing up in these places getting destroyed that they would be relocated to a nearby area
11 comments? Holy shit I'm early. What's up Zeltik?
Not much! :)
So going by this. Where Hyrule castle was standing isn't a big gaipin hole where gannon's castle was in the future time line. This further solidifies child time line.
This vid was absolutely brilliant.
In this 4k screenshot i.imgur.com/0Tx1M4x.jpg to me it looks like the spot where child Link and Zelda meet, possibly the Majora's mask Link.
Here is the screenshot from OoT tinyurl.com/jofhgcc . Here's another from the 3DS remaster, tinyurl.com/j5s8zen which looks even more like it.
Edit: th-cam.com/video/2vOvHs_C5Aw/w-d-xo.htmlm52s check out the ending of 3DS OoT! The camera angle pans from the ground, but on the opposite side as the Breath of the wild Screenshot!
OoT & 3DS OoT in the same picture so you can see the changes. www.n1ntendo.nl/file/game/2112/zelda_comp-13.png
This child Link may be the Link in Breath of the Wild, and the events in Majora's Mask may have all just been a dream during this hundred years sleep.
Considering all the characters in Termina were the same as those from ocarina of time, and it is known that when dreaming we only use faces we've seen before, it would explain why so many characters are re-used from Ocarina of TIme in Majora's Mask.
OoT Adult link defeated Ganondorf, got sent back in time by Zelda, became OoT Child link with retained memories of OoT, told on Ganondorf/Zelda told on Ganon to the King of Hyrule, and Hyrule had the sages attempt to execute Ganondorf for treason. They were not able to execute Ganondorf, and the sages were forced to send him to the twilight realm, that leads to the events of Twilight Princess.
OoT Link may have went to sleep at this time, understanding that Ganondorf would one day break free from the Twilight Realm, since his execution failed, to be ready for his inevitable revival, since he had killed Ganondorf in OoT, and went back to childhood, he retained the knowledge of Ganon's full power, and wants to defeat him again when he revives.
This could explain why Link doesn't remember anything, because he lived another life, or possibly life times, while dreaming for 100 years, and may have forgotten reality.
This would combine Twilight Princess and Child OoT Link's timelines, considering Twilight Link was taught by a spirit/dead form of Link. Twilight Link may have been born while OoT Link was sleeping for 100 years, and it may have been a different Link teaching Twilight Link new moves, or OoT Child Link teaching Twilight Link in spirit form, after dreaming the events of Majora's Mask, and possibly more.
The age of Link (Physically) would correspond. (Looks like he is 14-15 years old.)
Is that image located in the Eastern Abbey of the Plateau? If so, Zeltik's theory has to be right.
That's my take on the evidence, but I'm not sure of the exact location. I'll try to find it. www.zeldainformer.com/news/come-see-13-4k-screenshots-from-breath-of-the-wild I found the image in this series of screen shots, if that helps.
Perseverence111 Well, those images are from different places of the Plateau, but that place must be where Child Link first met Child Zelda.
Number one thing, it has been confirmed that MM actually happened and that it was not a dream.
so there's that also let's not forget that The Hero of Time is rather famously Left handed or that he is still left handed as the Hero's Shade
and loosing you're memory would not alter your dominant hand
If the Great Plateau isn't a landmass that was moved by something, whether Sheikah or Triforce, I'm gonna be so bummed. The clouds always made me curious and this explanation strengthened my NEED for that fact.
plot twist. old man is ganondorf
EpochDestiny 😱
Someone else had a theory that he is the old man that gives you the wooden sword at the beginning of the first ever Zelda game
There is so much proof presented here with landmarkings that this game indeed was set in the same area as Ocarina of Time. People ask yourselves, 100 hundred years from now, you honestly think things wouldnt change on the map??
If this is true then why is Hyrule castle in the distance with Ganon trapped in it? Is this a new Hyrule castle?
Yes the castle has been rebuilt multiple tines through out the series. AND in TP there are the ruins in the sacred meadow of the temple and market
And if you remember Hyrule Castle completely collapsed after the fight in Gannondorfs revamped version of it... which would indicate adult timeline... which fits the 'post windwaker' theory also.
+wheway33 You are aware Hyrule Castle was also destroyed by Ganon in the Downfall Line, correct? And even in TP that even in Child Line Castle Town has moved away from the Temple of Time. Where Castle Town was once located.
+wheway33 Remember that the Downfall Timeline had the same thing happen. The difference was that Link died in that timeline leading to the Imprisoning War described in A Link to the Past. And considering that Daphnes used the Triforce to keep Hyrule flooded and seal Ganon under the sea (which we know continues through the DS games) I doubt this is in the Adult Timeline.
coolman229
There is also the words Daphnes used when he made wish. As I recall he said to "wash away this ancient land of Hyrule." Wash away doesn't mean to submerge. It can mean to carry (something) away by movement in water, or to get rid of something completely. The Japanese version of WW suggests the later of two. "過去の地ハイラルを消し去り." 消し去る (the base form of 消し去り) roughly means to 'erase' or 'get rid of.' Meaning if Daphnes' wish was fully granted, Hyrule wasn't just flooded, it's gone.
Possible timeline placements for this game:
1. A new branch of the timeline, mainly because this is a resurrected Link who appears to wake up in the future, which could indicate that it is the Link from OoT (whose soul was sealed in the Sacred Realm), but woke up too late.
2. After TWW, because Hyrule is in ruins, there are Koroks and in an item description the "Ancient Sea" is mentioned.
3. After TP, because Aonuma said there are going to be connections with that game. I highly doubt this however, because in BotW the Temple of Time is in a far more complete state than it is in TP.
Are you sure it is not the place sent to the sky in the era of goddes hlyia
Oh wow, I didn't think it would line up with Ocarina's map so precisely!
To be honest, I'm always a little surprised when major Zelda landmarks don't move around the map. Compare LttP to Ocarina to Twilight Princess and try to make sense of anything. The way this map mirrors Ocarina's is pretty incredible. I wouldn't think anything of Castle Town being in the wrong location if not for the fact that other major locations seem to line up.
Please stop saying "ocarener" it's ocarina!
+Owen Jones mate that's never gonna happen
+Zeltik ignore him just keep doing a great job 👍👍👍😁
He isn't saying ocarina, which I assume is what people are picking up on. English and Australian (and similar) accents have a feature called a Linking-R (or "Intrusive-R") which is placed between low back vowels like the "a" in "ocarina" and a word that begins with another vowel (like the space in the words "Ocarina of"). It's like the "n" in "an apple", except that it remains unwritten. You will hear many people from England or Australia say things like "drawRing" or sometimes "tuner and salad" instead of "tuna and salad" because of this reason. To them it is the same as the "n" in "an". It separates vowel-final and vowel-intial words.
For the interested: this only happens (in the English varieties mentioned above) with the vowels at the end of , , , and . The only other vowels that can appear word-finally in English are those at the end of , (debatably the same two), and . and link with a Y-sound instead of an R-sound, and and link with a W-sound instead.
It's his accent mate. Brits add "r" to the end of words that end in vowels if the following word begins with a vowel to make the transition more smooth.
+Cody the Schmuck. I dont think they add anything to the end of words, they just prounonce things differently...
I feel like since the old man said that Hyrule drowned many years ago, the Koroks are back, and the fact that you can find old sea salt, this is probs after windwaker.
*climbs on soapbox*
"Castle town" is such an annoying and childish name. As the prime settlement of the nation it should be called capital city, Hyrule City, or City of Hyrule.
I like this theory! Thanks for stitching all the shots together to really show the similarities! Super hyped for this game! (And discovering all the secrets)
what a waste of time watching that was. OMG BRICKS. THE BRICKS LINE UP! IT MUST BE THE SAME ALLEY WAY FROM OCARINA OF TIME! BECAUSE BRICKS.
zelda games include references to older games, but they never perfectly align. there is always some changes, because the priority is making a new game, not making sure the new one matches the old ones locations. i don't expect the new game to be any different.
although i was quite surprised how close the temple of time is to the ocarina of time temple of time so i will be interested to see how close other references are in this game.
Lol why are you on this channel?
+Dametrias Green TH-cam recommend. and because bricks
You must be fun at parties.
+Nick Cortez as opposed to the people who literally have nothing better to do until a game is released but speculate on every detail such as bricks? um yea I am the boring one here I guess..
barrelrolldog What we do with our time is our own business isn't it? Just because some of us choose to be critical thinkers about things like video games shouldn't say anything about whether we're boring or not. You're telling me you've never watched an episode of Game Theory? Also, the phrase "You must be fun at parties" in itself refers to the person at hand as a buzzkill; not as a "boring" person.
(It don't have anything beyond windows paint, so this is just me eyeballing, plus all maps of Hyrule never match up exactly)
It much more corresponds with the (Gamecube) Twilight Princess map, lining up the Temples of Time and the Hyrule castles. Also, the sacred grove that's to the west of TP's ToT has something similararly/exactly named in Breath (Spirit forest?). It also places Death mountain in about the same spots (NE of the ToT, E of the Castle), and what looks like Lake Hylia to the desert in approximately the right places.
So there's a 'new Hyrule Castle' (As seen in Breath and TP) and 'old Hyrule Castle and Temple of Time area', which is why lining up the OoT map with with Breath map doesn't really work.
This makes sense, with Breath of the wind supposed to cause 'ahah!' moments connected to Twilight Princess. My guess is the has to do with the whole 'Interlopers' thing in TP, especially with the Sheikah tech looking so similar to Twili themes. Or it's a sequel to TP's Link wandering, since Ganon isn't sealed in the Twilight Realm. Or something?
The theory definitely holds up. Cataclysmic events are known to change the face of the earth in fiction from time to time, and sometimes even quite massively so (Wheel of Time begins with the birth of a mountain and the splitting of a river around a newly formed island, and that is only the first change the world sees in the Time of Madness; which is repeated throughout the Ages). And the fact that only Castle Town seems to be so dislocated from where it should be supports the thought of an intervention of sorts. The only detriment is that we would have two Castles, one in ruins and one with the Calamity Ganon swirling around. But that is worthy of a theory on its own.
Something I've noticed about this video now that we have more information. Where hyrule castle and town should be, north of the field and west of death mountain, is now where the Great deku tree is, as of the switch reveal the other week. You can see pink leaves in the canopy above him. Then later, in several panning shots of Hyrule, as well as the custcene that takes place on top of the plateau tower, you can see those same pink leaves in that geographic area.
So it looks like the Great deku tree has taken over the former region of Hyrule castle.
Another theory for what The Great Plateua supposedly "moved" fits in really nicely with another theory which states that the Great Plateau switched placed with the Lost Woods.
The fog, the shape, the shrines and even where the shrines intersect all support this
I completely agree with your theory, except for one detail. The Eastern Abbey is just that, the Eastern Abbey to the Temple of Time. Unless if BotW takes place in the Child Timeline, Hyrule Castle would have been destroyed and replaced with Ganon's Tower in either Adult Timeline. The most likely location for Hyrule Castle would be on the banks of the River of the Dead, beneath Mount Hylia, which at one point could have been Hyrule Castle's moat.
At first i was skeptical, but you convinced me thoroughly.
This video confirms that this game takes place in the Child Timeline. The ruins of the Hyrule Castle from Ocarina of Time wouldn't exist in the Adult or Downfall Timelines since Ganondorf completely destroyed that castle and replaced it with a huge pit of lava. You could say, "But they could have rebuilt Hyrule Castle," well they did, but in the Wind Waker and A Link to the Past Hyrule Castle is in a new location meaning that they shouldn't be where they are in Breath of the Wild.
Good points, ever since I saw the Temple of Time in BotW, I never have stopped at how the ruins resemble a town. Very good video Zeltik.
Holy shit this is a solid theory. That would mean that the Great Plateau itself IS Skyloft and that's what the Old Man meant be "the birthplace of Hyrule." Not the actual geographic location, but the island itself that was once Skyloft, then where Hyrule Castle was built in Ocarina of Time, and now was moved to where Link begins his journey in the southwestern plain of Hyrule field. We also have evidence of floating islands in general from the one we see flying off in the distance of the demo.
This is SCARILY accurate and my jaw dropped when I saw the similarities in the two locations. You just earned a subscriber!
Another important thing to point out is the location of the Lost Woods relative to the location of the Great Plateau.
Hey... that actually works! I didn't think anything of those weird clouds beneath the plateau, but you're right - they don't look natural and perhaps do indicate that the plateau isn't where it's supposed to be.
I think BotW Link is Skyward Sword Link. Here's why. 1) The land of Hyrule is in this state because we find Link waking up after 100 years of helping Zelda establish the land. This being the case, this might be the first time ever that we will only see Ganondorf as Ganon. What I theorize is that Calamity Ganon is the first "Ganon" following the Demise Curse. This could be why he appears as Calamity Ganon right from the start. The cycle has officially begun. 2)The Hylia statue is there because the statue fell with Zelda and Link at the end of SS. It would make sense for it to be in this place. However, this doesn't mean that it was signified as the "Temple of Time" at that time. It could have just been the Temple of Hylia. This is probably why the Master Sword is not located in the Temple of Time/Hylia. 3) The Kokiri form is not present because there isn't a Link that lived with the Kokiri. Who is to say that the Koroks are not their natural form? Given that the Koroks can change form and it is stated that they changed forms to make child Link fit in better, we can assume that there wasn't a Link for the Koroks. This is the first Link they will encounter. This is why the Koroks aren't in their Kokiri form. 4) The overwhelming Sheikah tech is prominent because the Sheikah had just recently "vanished." This could be why their tech is still laying around. After landing, the Hylians (Link and Zelda) met more of the Sheikahs. Both looked up to the god of Hylia and help found the land of Hyrule. The Sheikah would take their place amongst the royal family as their protectors as Impa did in SS. 5) This could also explain why Link does not have his green tunic and why he is the SS Link. There's only one place to get a new green tunic after 100 years. At Skyloft. At the Knights Academy. Perhaps, Link's old green tunic was abandoned. He had just founded a new land with Zelda. He could have been the first Knight under her new rule. It would make sense for him to don armor. Hence, we could speculate that Link wears the armor in the trailer because that's the armor he may have worn after landing and finding Hyrule. 6) The Great Plateau looks like the Market because it is the market. Only it was established before OoT. Essentially, at the end of this game, the Market place as well as the Temple of Hylia and Hyrule Castle will be rebuilt. Everything matches because it's suppose to. Maybe this is the first version of Hyrule. Then in OoT, another 100 years or so later, Hyrule is rebuilt with similar placements. That's my theory on it.
If the Temple of Time, Castle Town, and Hyrule Castle were built on a piece of land that was Skyloft, then it stands to reason that the entire chunk could be lifted and moved again. My guess is that over the millennia another larger, more fortified castle was constructed (the Hyrule Castle we see in BotW), and that the old castle became the "Eastern Abbey", likely serving as housing for the religious function associated with the Temple of Time and the worship of Hylia. Heck, it's even probable that the entire landmass was moved during a time of peace using advanced Sheikah technology, as a sort of preservation effort. That would also explain how the Shrine of Resurrection came to be there, as well as the huge walls surrounding the Great Plateau.
It might be worth noting that in Twilight Princess, the ruins of Hyrule Market from Ocarina of Time also appear in the southwest corner of the map, in the form of the Sacred Grove. Perhaps the huge map in Breath of the Wild is supposed to line up more with that of Twilight Princess...? I mean, the TP map does also look a lot like OoT's at first glance, but when you look deeper it clearly isn't. Maybe the case is the same here. And that would mean that Breath of the Wild is actually exploring the region north of OoT/Zelda 1's Death Mountain range--the mid-to-northwestern area featured in The Adventure of Link.
ALTERNATIVELY: the goddesses' intervention in the events of The Wind Waker's backstory may have had something to do with your suggested relocation of the castle. Do you remember how The Wind Waker showed Hyrule Castle perched upon a plateau jutting out of a large body of water? Well, your image in this video, lining up the BotW map with that of OoT, shows that the location of the Great Plateau is right next to the location of OoT's Lake Hylia.
Can both of these things be coincidences? Maybe one, but both?
I never really was much under the impression that SS's Temple of Time was the same one as the one in Castle Town. I mean, we're already shown there's been two, so I can imagine there having been a totally separate one constructed.
Digressing from that though, I definitely see the Plateau being the same place as Castle Town.
I feel like Ocarina's Northern Hyrule Castle Town is a totally different place altogether from the 'Central Hyrule Castle' presented in Twilight Princess, Link to the Past, Wind Waker, Zelda II, and other games. The Castle is almost never in the same place twice, but when it IS in the same place, it's in the center of the world, not the north. The North is usually reserved for Death Mountain. But I feel like that mountain that's clearly cracked in half in Breath of the Wild is not so much Death Mountain as it is Spectacle/Turtle Rock.
According to the Hyrule Historia: Rauru built the Temple of Time over the ruins of the Sacred Temple. They are not the same structure. They just share the same location.
Hyrule Castle has been in more than one place but the Temple of Time seems to be consistently in the same place rebuilt more than once over ruins
Hey Zeltik,
did you notice, when the amibo funktion of the slate is activated, that Link always is pointing a circle on the ground. When the WolfLinkAmibo is used, he is appering in that circle. So every other amibo should bring a companion of the size of that circle into the game. My guess for the guardian-amibo is, that Link gets help from a miniguardian, which you regular fight in the shrines. My english is not very good, but I hope you can understand, what I am trying to say
I think the gods may have moved castle town not 100 years
ago but 10 000 years ago when the first calamity hit because maybe
it was in the way of a divine beast laser or something.
Love this!
Also want to point out that Lon Lon Ranch is perfectly positioned in botw. If you turn the map around it all makes sense.
Then in OOT if you stand in front of the Temple of Time, you can see a mountain behind it. Thats Mount Hylia.
It's perfect!
This theory also supports the idea of the leviathans dying in some battle- protecting certain areas. The gods themselves may have intwrvened by sending them down.
Man i really want to see a prequel to thia game that explains this...
And those unnatural clouds looks like steam. Maybe its being supported by aome device/ mechanism being powered by a HUGE ammount of water. The gods could have had it (the walls and the mechanism) constructed by the aquatic zoras who by lore developed proficient in stonework- due to the large ammounts of ore in their domain.
Wait... This could be new hyrule and the flooded hyrule...
THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE TWO CASTLES.
This also supports the vast ammounts of new bodies of water scattered across the land- cuz there is steam flowing out of this giant landmass
+Zeltik what do you think?
Oh and i found some hylian text engraved under the statues on the great plateau wall- near where your front gate would be. Havent taken a shot at translating it but maybe youd want to check it out for your theory.
Something nobody's talked about, is the location of death mountain in BOTW. If the Great Plateau was located where OOT castle town was, then deat Mountain would have to be closer to the temple of time. If Zeltik's theory proves to be true,, then it would make sense. Somehow the great plateau isn't where it's supossed to be.
Try lining up the sacred grounds, in front of Hyrule castle, with the temple of time on the great plateau, both from the breath of the wild map. You'll find that the plateau butts up against Mount Gustav, and it's neighbor, as well as several raised land-forms on the other side of Hyrule field. I suppose that his was once the resting place of the great plateau, connecting these land forms across the upper half of Hyrule field. Most of the variance can be attributed to a century of erosion, but the important part is how the sacred grounds, which was once under the temple of time, is not only right where it should be, but uncovered once again.
Though, my theory is that the plateau wasn't moved when Gannon returned, but a long time prior. As the new castle town in front of Hyrule castle would be on the plateau otherwise, instead of in ruins and crawling with guardians.
I don't think we actually saw what happened to Hyrule castle and castle town at the end of the Ocarina of Time... the last we saw, Hyrule castle was destroyed, leaving pretty much nothing but a crater, and castle town was basically turning to ruins... but what happened when Ganondorf was sealed into the 'evil realm'? Link and Zelda were left seemingly floating in the sky, why weren't they at the remains of Hyrule castle where they were moments before? Maybe he whole area around the castle was sealed away with Ganondorf.That would have left a huge void in the landscape of Hyrule, triggering substantial tectonic movement to compensate, which would explain the changes to the landscape of Hyrule seen in BotW, but would have left nowhere for castle town to return to when Ganondorf broke free, causing it to simply drop onto the landscape, forming the great plateau.The clouds underneath could therefore be due to whatever the land mass landed on, which may not even be anything we've seen in Hyrule before, as it could have been formed by the tectonic movement. Hot, cold and aquatic areas could all produce some sort of cloud, created by smoke, condensation, or steam. It could also be a dust cloud from something like a mine. For all we know there could even be a more advanced industrial civilisation down there, with the clouds being the fumes generated by that.
To add to the theory, maybe it was moved just to protect Link, who was healing in that chamber. Like maybe it was closer to where they were fighting (I think the castle?) and where Link almost diedn because I always thought it was weird that a half dead Link made it all the way to the Great plateau. So maybe it moved to protect the hero of Hyrule after Link was safe in the healing chamber.
This is how i see this.
In the legend of zelda franchise, nintendo has put a lot of easter eggs in order to reference other games. Structures that are not supossed to be there, paints about other game in the series, the majora's mask in link's house in ''a link between worlds'', and all that stuff...
But, there is something that is not easily manipulated, and that's the races and the living creatures of hyrule. The cronology shows an incredible coherence in that point, so, it's so obvious to me, that this zelda takes place in the ''line of the future'' or ''line of the great sea'' if you prefer. This is so clear because the korog exist in this Hyrule, and theese creatures evolved from the kokiri in order to adapt themselves to the sea world.
I truly think that is the most important think to know wich place this game takes in the cronology. But who knows. I can be wrong.
Good theory anyway and good work.
Note: I'm sorry if I made some mistake in my writing. I'm from Spain.
Nice! I noticed the archway while watching a demo, and immediately thought of the one in the pathway to Hyrule Castle in OoT, and thought it could be used to support Teekay's Market ruins theory after reading it. Glad to see I'm not the only one who caught that.
considering that the names link zelda and impa are more like titles i wouldn't be surprised if everytime they move something they call it the same thing, there's also the fact that it's been noted that some of the kings of hyrule actually used the triforce to conquer nearby lands and the hyrule in botw is the biggest one yet, forests can also slowly crawl across the land and the only thing that can't normally move is features like mountains and lakes... but hyrule seems to have a bedrock made of butter and the most active volcano ever so i guess those aren't static either lol.
Reason no town show at E3? Because once you get the master sword you goto Temple of time and go back as child link and the town is restored.
+Zeltik, would it be possible that Hyrule could have simply expanded its territory further, considering all of the theories involving a war between the Gerudo and the Hylians when Link warns Zelda in OoT after beating the game? Or, perhaps natural environmental changes like erosion, landslides, earthquakes, and/or floods occured, allowing for relocation or further expansion... Of course, now that I hear myself, I sound rather stupid. Your theory is probably best! Good work!
Hey Zeltik, what editing software do you use? Your editing is amazing!
Most likely adobe premiere or Sony Vegas
This is awesome. I believe your theory about it being the OoT castle town and path to the castle!
Here's a thought - in the adult timeline hyrule castle was destroyed and in it's place Gannondorf built his tower over a large pit of lava which is totally absent from these ruins. Does this then mean that we can immediately disregard this game from being set in that timeline? The ruins we see here could be from his attempt to take the triforce by force... Downfall timeline maybe? Explains the ruins and Links revival at the start of the game...
Reinforcement of this compared to the size disparity between OoT and BotW is the loading between areas in OoT. In that we see like run off while to fade unsure of actual distances. The shrine of resurection might also line up close-ish with the great fairy fountain near the castle as well.
It's funny watching theories like this after the game has been released for months, because back then no one knew that there's actually a specified area called castle town ruins
If you line up the great plateau and the ranch ruins, it lines up perfectly with the location of Lon Lon Ranch and Hyrule Castle from OoT
One thing that is bothering me is the castle. If it was the downfall timeline, Wouldn't it be Ganons castle instead of Hyrule castle standing there? Plus, look at the area that link starts off in. It looks like the Guardians were swarming the temple of time to either protect it or destroy it and got frozen in time. The plateau looks like it was moved away from the castle in a last effort to protect something from Ganon. We know that Hylia can move land to the sky so why not to another location. In my opinion, i think Zelda moved it out of reach from Ganon for a reason. Maybe to protect link in his slumber or to make him think that the master sword is still in the Temple of Time,but also leaving the master sword in place to hold Ganons power/magic in place. Looking at the location of where the plateau is, it looks as if it could have been moved to Kokiri forest because she knew he was from the forest. Remember back in OOT how it was almost a straight shot from the forest to the castle (obviously it looks bigger and different distance because of the upgrade in gaming systems) so maybe the market and half of Hyrule field was moved to protect people and Link.
Now for the timeline. Its a bit strange but I think its pretty manageable. I think its after or during Majoras mask in the child timeline. What if the story of Majoras mask was all a dream while he was in stasis? It was slowly driving his mind into another world that is very similar to Hyrule and thats why he cant remember what is going on in the real world. They kill Ganondorf but it was too late because he already got his hands on the Triforce and calamity Ganon came forth.When this happens, Zelda freaks out, tells link to grab the master sword, but instead of trapping him inside of the temple for 7 years it puts him in a sleep because the goddess thinks it would be best if he slept for a longer period of time instead of 7 years. So Zelda is forced to replace the master sword and cannot seal the Calamity Ganon in the sacred realm because of links sleep.Could explain why he was sleeping in a cave almost right next to the temple of time in botw. Anyway.. She moves the plateau away from Ganon, but leaves the master sword in the ruins of where the temple of time once was so Ganon would think it was still in the temple of time. Also, We have seen Ganondorf materialize in twilight princess and turn right into Ganon because his body got smashed up. What if he did that in the child timeline and Zelda sealed him to the castle?
I don't know how I feel about that... that's one HELL of a large castle town, and I don't remember it having mountains in it.