There needs to be a list of modifications that a new amarok owner should do. Egr, dpf and belt tensioner, now I’ll need a tune. Thanks for the information!
2017 v6 highline. Thanks for this video. Mine does exactly the same thing. Reversing my 16 foot boat up my driveway that has a slight incline is painful. My previous amarok a 2lt 2016 canyon did not do this when reversing the same boat. VW should do the right thing and fix any effected vehicles or at least let people know which ones have the issue.
Some guy on another post recommended that you just hold down the traction control button for 3 seconds and then you are good to reverse. I don't personally know but if someone could confirm that would be good.
Great info here mate. I've always been a manual guy. I'm keen on an Amarok - pretty impressive vehicles. As tempting as the impressive 8 speed auto can be, I think I'll pick up a manual. At least you never overheat your gearbox, and when you put it in gear and release the clutch, the wheels spin! And you get low range.
That's very good point you brought up. What I can't understand is why on earth they would go to deliberately cripple their vehicle in reverse with coding?? They did this deliberately and it points out there might be a very good reason they did this. The question is: what is the reason? You don't do this kind of thing knowing it's gonna hurt your reputation for no reason.
Very informative indeed... you might have just saved me from a whole heap of problems... I'm on the market for a Bakkie/Ute/ pick-up... thought this could be a good sub for the Hilux
tested it today, 4 Bricks behind the wheels, pushed the V6 Auto Amarok very very very hard to 5.5k RPM, just reversed over while Grand Cherokee did it with ease. You are right 👍
Hello Rhett I'm currently searching to buy a used 2014 Amarok. I want to use this truck for commuting (50 km/day), carrying construction materials ~200kg on the back of the car (once/week), towing farm stuff 1-2 tones (once/2 weeks), towing sand or wood 2-3 tons (4 times/year). On summer time I will use the truck on 90% tarmac and max 10% gravel + off-road (this 10% for farm work with some heavy load + towing). On winter time it will be used 95% on tarmac, but consider that in Romania (my country) the snow remains a lot on the road, plus I have to travel 200 m on gravel to get out on the road every time I leave home. I don't want to remove snow every time it snows (we have snow from early December until late March). I also plan to make some montaine trips 6 times/year with some off-road (not hard core). I have some experience with off-road since childehood. The big question. Wath transmision should I choose? I'm inclined to manual gearbox with shiftable 4motion with low gear ratio and rear lockable differential. Thanks for help.
Well, if you choose the manual gearbox then there is no reverse issue. If you buy an auto and plan to do 4wding or towing then you might want to plan around tuning it. If you plan to do serious 4wding with a trailer, then i dont recommend the auto.
@@rhetth-s8082 Thanks for answer. I saw that you do some serious off-road. Do you think it would have been better for you to have a manual gearbox with low gear (reductor). At the manual I think that I made wear the clutch on havy deauty. The dual mass fly-weel clutch it is sensible at VW. Wath do you think about the eventual problems of the ZF gearbox on havy deauty? It will not be hard for me to do a tuning (romanian servise are preaty good).
@@alexandruioanciobotea3541 earlier models had manual trans issues, but i think the later ones are generally fine, and the low range gearing is very low so the clutch should not get abused.
why couldn't VW just program a 1 or 2 sec low torque delay after shifting the gear leaver just to give the auto time to fully build pressures up in both forward or reverse. I haven't been stuck in mine yet but do find the sudden increase in torque one you hit 4km/h in reverse annoying. I know its also got a speed limiter in reverse.. but i guess its still more power to the wheels in reverse than the older Hilux in hi range.. the worse was a BA falcon manual ute. was like 3rd gear. felt like it was geared to do over 100km/h in reverse
I will probably put 4 bricks behind the wheels to see if my v6 auto amarok could do it or not. if not, I will also test it on my Grand Cherokee just to see if it is Amarok's fault. 😏
Very good video . More people need to know this before buying a auto amarok especially if towing ! Ridiculous that vw don’t have low range with the auto .
With so many gears that have close ratio, the car doesn't need low range. Have a look on your tube what's id capable of from real people. I'm more concerned about towing in reverse as this video explains very well.
Thank you so much for the video. What is the part required to be fitted to over ride this problem, and where is it available and who did you get it fitted by?
A reflash tune of the engine computer is required. You could ask for a tuner recommendation on this facebook group facebook.com/groups/338266946729944/
My impression is that it can affect related components, drivetrain etc warranty, if you dont take the tune off before you hand it in, or if they notice a record of it being altered. The other option is a full refund for the whole vehicle.
@@wildsidemtb yeah, me too, although as mentioned my reverse is a lot better now. I hopped in a V6 mercedes X class dual cab the other day, very not impressed, the cab is made for asians.
I had a Toyota Hilux 3.0l auto and found when reversing from stationary it would not move backwards when up against a dirt bank. It just lack power. Had to take a very short run up to get up the bank. Now I own a VW Amarok 2.0l auto and have tried this on the same dirt bank and found the Amarok to be more responsive and easier to reverse up the bank. Just wondering if all a autos have this issue.
I have only had the issue in my Amarok. These days more and more new vehicles are being crippled. I recently watched a video where a guy was having problems reversing his jeep wrangler.
Rhett H-S Hi, just watched a video on TH-cam of an Amarok vs ford ranger in a tug of war. A strap was fixed to the front of the vehicles and both reversed. Best out of 3 the Amarok won every time the same with an Nissan pick up, the Amarok won again. The video was 5 years old
This was taken from the video titled "JTech Amarok Flash Tune - Fixing the Auto Reverse Issue"... "A stock amarok still has reverse limitations that can be overcome with an ECU Remap. It turns out, that the real issue is because of the heavy duty torque converter, as well as the gear ratios. As the torque converter is so heavy duty, a stock Amarok doesn’t make enough torque to get the torque to enter its “coupling” phase, and effectively transfer enough torque to the wheels. This can be altered with an ecu remap, by raising the torque limits, injection timing, injection quantity and “drivers wish” maps among others." IMHO, everyone who cares about their motor and is out of warranty should have a remap anyway. Some footage from this video with the reverse working would have been nice, however, head over to the other video and you see a before and after tune in the sand.
The truth is the opposite of what you theorise. I did various research, awareness raising, testing, videos, etc, which inspired the Jtech video. Most of the footage in my video above was created before the Jtech video. One or more of my videos features the Jtech vehicle itself, before Jtech was created and the vehicle was signwritten. If you look closely at the Jtech video, you will see my vehicle in the background, i was there at the time the Jtech video was created. There is also a problem with your analysis of the way the torque converter works. There is no such thing as a "coupling phase". Torque converter's are capable of transmitting torque from below idle onwards. They do not need much input rpm in order to start transmitting, and during the reverse issue the engine and one side of the torque converter can reach far more than enough rpm to be developing and transmitting full torque. They are not like a centrifugal pump that requires flow in order to express power, they specifically work in the absence of flow of that kind, the torque converter is a sealed unit. The reverse issue happenned to me many, many times, it is clear from the operation of the vehicle that the engine is not developing 420Nm at zero wheel speed, and there is plenty of other evidence that limiting happens at zero wheel speed. Jtech himself knows this and has written it publicaly.
Very good and informative video. Thanks. Question, I have my Amarok mapped already and have found reversing up a slope heavily loaded a bit of an issue to where it would not spin the wheels, just rev.... Is the gearbox reverse a separate type of tune and can it be done to reverse gear only or is it for all forward gears also? Thanks
Hi. It sounds like it wasnt done as part of your tune and thats a shame. I suggest you contact your tuner, they should always do this for Amaroks unless you ask them not to.
@@rhetth-s8082 thanks, it was an engine tune completed... I wasn't aware of the issue but thought more power in, more power out forward and reverse. Lots of people say the 4cyl has no reverse torque limiter... I will talk to my tuner. Thanks
@@roysmyth4284 supposedly there is a guy that reckons he cant see the 4cyl reverse torque limiting in the tune, and he has a heap of fanboys, but its really not something to take seriously, it could just be juvenile politics. These days manufacturers add 'anti abuse' features, with the 4cyl they give it a max of 180Nm or 200Nm at zero wheel speed depending on build year.
This guy must of got a lemon. Mine is completely fine never any dramas. I have 2015 2ltbt 8speed auto with 178000 on the clock and it reverse with a trailer no problem. I've been in really soft sand on the beach and it reverse fine. Maybe there are some duds out there but I love mine wouldn't want another 4x4 ute.
It's good to hear you haven't experienced the problem yet. I hope it never happens to you. If you watch the whole video though it shows numerous Amarok's with the issue, and from my extensive research those Amarok's are just the tip of the iceberg.
@@rhetth-s8082 I did watch the whole video, thats why i said maybe there is some duds out there. Can I ask though What do you mean by "those Amaroks" are the tip of the "iceberg"? And do you still own yours after all this and if so why? Thanks in advance.
@@deanhigginson7278 apart from the amarok's i have seen having reversing issues, i have received many reports from owners, and some have forced vw to refund them and take the vehicle back. I am yet to receive any proof than any Rok's do not have factory limitation on reverse. I still own mine, I had mine tuned to remove the limitation, and reverse is no longer a big issue for me, although it's still not ideal.
@@deanhigginson7278 the amarok does have a lot of great things about it, a class leading chassis, interior space, low NVH, steering, style, fuel economy, 8spd auto gearbox, constant awd, etc, etc. I have been in a couple of vehicles costing three times as much as mine yet the chassis and NVH were inferior, and one had a 3 pointed star on the front and the other was a porsche.
I have 2.0 amarok 2012 highline manual and all i know is that you must know some tricks to overcome anything that you see as an mission impossible. Dont forget in Greece we say that you must have "hands" to drive this vehicles. Its car and driver
Hi. Unfortunately turning ESC off does not stop the reverse torque limiting. Pretty much every time i went offroad i turned ESC off but it made no difference to the reverse torque limiting. There is also no suggestion in any of the other evidence from a variety of sources that ESC turns off the limiting.
@@rhetth-s8082 damn that's a lot of money for something that should be a switch. I'm still pretty keen on the Amarok though for towing and dune driving so will probably still get it, it's used so maybe the ecu has already been done. Do you still enjoy yours?
@@FourLowAdventures actually for a V6 there might be a cheaper option that just gets rid of the reverse limiting, not sure. I ended up selling my amarok and getting a wagon and now the wagon is up for sale and got a single cab traytop.
That's about the only thing you can fault in SOME V6. I've seen 9 times out of 10 V6 owners reverse up sand dunes with no issues. Listening to this bloke is like going to a dealership for light globes.
You seem to be suggesting that 10% of V6 Amaroks are faulty, what dealership do you work for again? The Amarok is coded to have reverse limiting. If 90% of the ones you have seen can reverse up sand its because 200Nm is enough in that instance, or they are tuned.
Mines not tuned fully loaded with camp gear n four people had to reverse back up at mt side in the rain in nsw because i took a wrong track it was at lest 40degrees very happy with it
39 years old driving licence, 1.5 million driven keys. I never had to put my foot fully down in reverse..... another guy who wants to live without work... I guess...
He actually included the issue in one of his episodes when it happenned to him when he was towing a trailer with a V6 rok through Coffin Bay National Park.
@@Dave-ig3km yeah. I had a bit of a google but couldnt find any episodes. He was towing a trailer in sand and found he couldnt go forward anymore. He tried to reverse but no wheels would turn. So he had to winch out.
Ok - this does my head in. Firstly - this is the first time a marketing department has bullshitted us? Ok - maybe I'm not a naive as others. Secondly - get over the emissions claims please. If half of the companies in the world were held to true account you would be talking about a vastly different issue. Thirdly - If I was to stand on my left foot on the second Tuesday of a leap year whilst looking at a brick on the ground I expect it to be the same as if I was sitting on top of a mountain in central Himalaya. I get it - you want perfection - but it does not exist !
I reverse a 1 ton trailer going uphill in my V6 Sportsline with no issues. This is my daily driver I use for work. No tune. Is this issue happening to a few users or most?
Is it an auto? The issue is generally only noticed by a small proportion of people, although trailer users notice it more. Until a situation reaches the threshhold it wont happen. You could explore it if you want by say going to maximum load and then find a really steep hill. Otherwise be cautious about, say, driving forward down a steep driveway at full load if you cant turn around.
@@rhetth-s8082 I do push the car pretty hard while reversing going up hill with the trailer. Going uphill on a work site that has not been leveled with soft soil, sand and fairly good sized rocks that might be on site. Luckily no issues so far. Thanks for the informative video! I'll keep an eye on things from here on.
Thanks Rhett, very informative video, well done.. I didn't realise this problem even existed.. I'll have to check it out and see if the problem is fixed with my model.. V6 MY19 auto.. What do you think about throttle controllers (Idrive..?) for REDUCING TURBO LAG (most importantly), while still under warrantee..? (does this alone help at all with the reversing issue..?) It sounds like I'm sure you'd know someone with an Amarok who's tried/got one..
If you train your mind and ankle to work faster when desired you have the best of both worlds, you have full flexibility, unlike a throttle controller where you have to change programs, and can easily be in the least appropriate program for any given situation that arises.
You do that dressed as a clown? Auto or manual? Tuned or std? A number of people have had the problem of not being able to reverse heavy trailers up their driveway. It made them feel like a clown for buying the car but its not actually their fault. A 2t trailer is well below the rated capability. The reverse issue is something where if you stay just below the reverse capacity you can think its kinda okay, but load it a bit more and then people realise. People typically overestimate road angles, maybe your 30 degrees is actually 20 degrees, how about you measure it and get back to us.
I know its a bugger, i dont want it to be true either, but its true. Just because it hasnt happenned to you yet, does not make you an expert. There is a lot of evidence in the videos, its compelling stuff. Since you say it hasnt happenned to you, dont stress, all good.
Hi Rhett was thinking of getting a online pettition going can i add your video to my pettition i think its time Vw take notice with heaps of signutures and a push
I have no allegiance to VW - I have recently ordered a new Amarok but I did some homework. I suspect VW have given users the option to have a controlled vehicle that works within supply specs with the ability to do what you want (see th-cam.com/video/2Sgqtu0XPLI/w-d-xo.html) if you want to climb 45 degree slopes knock yourself out - but your wear the cost - as you would with any modification to spec.
I got bogged in my v6 in sand and couldn’t reverse to get my self out and I wasn’t even bogged really bad. Had to get snatched out. I love everything about my amarok but that part is just shit. Sad part is I paid 1200 for a tune before the trip and still couldn’t reverse the bloody thing. 🤌
I suggest you contact your tuner and ask them if they removed the reverse torque limiting and if not ask them to remove it. They should have removed it as part of the tune.
There needs to be a list of modifications that a new amarok owner should do. Egr, dpf and belt tensioner, now I’ll need a tune.
Thanks for the information!
What you do with the belt tensioner?
2017 v6 highline. Thanks for this video. Mine does exactly the same thing. Reversing my 16 foot boat up my driveway that has a slight incline is painful. My previous amarok a 2lt 2016 canyon did not do this when reversing the same boat. VW should do the right thing and fix any effected vehicles or at least let people know which ones have the issue.
Some guy on another post recommended that you just hold down the traction control button for 3 seconds and then you are good to reverse. I don't personally know but if someone could confirm that would be good.
yes it is a must!!! even manual states in difficult terrain conditions like soft sand and fresh mud tcs/antispin must be killed
Great info here mate. I've always been a manual guy. I'm keen on an Amarok - pretty impressive vehicles. As tempting as the impressive 8 speed auto can be, I think I'll pick up a manual. At least you never overheat your gearbox, and when you put it in gear and release the clutch, the wheels spin! And you get low range.
That's very good point you brought up.
What I can't understand is why on earth they would go to deliberately cripple their vehicle in reverse with coding??
They did this deliberately and it points out there might be a very good reason they did this.
The question is: what is the reason?
You don't do this kind of thing knowing it's gonna hurt your reputation for no reason.
I have tried to find a reason but came up with nothing.
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Very informative indeed... you might have just saved me from a whole heap of problems... I'm on the market for a Bakkie/Ute/ pick-up... thought this could be a good sub for the Hilux
tested it today, 4 Bricks behind the wheels, pushed the V6 Auto Amarok very very very hard to 5.5k RPM, just reversed over while Grand Cherokee did it with ease.
You are right 👍
Cool. Video?
Hello Rhett
I'm currently searching to buy a used 2014 Amarok.
I want to use this truck for commuting (50 km/day), carrying construction materials ~200kg on the back of the car (once/week), towing farm stuff 1-2 tones (once/2 weeks), towing sand or wood 2-3 tons (4 times/year).
On summer time I will use the truck on 90% tarmac and max 10% gravel + off-road (this 10% for farm work with some heavy load + towing).
On winter time it will be used 95% on tarmac, but consider that in Romania (my country) the snow remains a lot on the road, plus I have to travel 200 m on gravel to get out on the road every time I leave home. I don't want to remove snow every time it snows (we have snow from early December until late March).
I also plan to make some montaine trips 6 times/year with some off-road (not hard core). I have some experience with off-road since childehood.
The big question. Wath transmision should I choose?
I'm inclined to manual gearbox with shiftable 4motion with low gear ratio and rear lockable differential.
Thanks for help.
Well, if you choose the manual gearbox then there is no reverse issue. If you buy an auto and plan to do 4wding or towing then you might want to plan around tuning it. If you plan to do serious 4wding with a trailer, then i dont recommend the auto.
@@rhetth-s8082 Thanks for answer.
I saw that you do some serious off-road. Do you think it would have been better for you to have a manual gearbox with low gear (reductor).
At the manual I think that I made wear the clutch on havy deauty. The dual mass fly-weel clutch it is sensible at VW.
Wath do you think about the eventual problems of the ZF gearbox on havy deauty? It will not be hard for me to do a tuning (romanian servise are preaty good).
@@alexandruioanciobotea3541 earlier models had manual trans issues, but i think the later ones are generally fine, and the low range gearing is very low so the clutch should not get abused.
why couldn't VW just program a 1 or 2 sec low torque delay after shifting the gear leaver just to give the auto time to fully build pressures up in both forward or reverse.
I haven't been stuck in mine yet but do find the sudden increase in torque one you hit 4km/h in reverse annoying. I know its also got a speed limiter in reverse..
but i guess its still more power to the wheels in reverse than the older Hilux in hi range..
the worse was a BA falcon manual ute. was like 3rd gear. felt like it was geared to do over 100km/h in reverse
I will probably put 4 bricks behind the wheels to see if my v6 auto amarok could do it or not. if not, I will also test it on my Grand Cherokee just to see if it is Amarok's fault. 😏
Very good video . More people need to know this before buying a auto amarok especially if towing ! Ridiculous that vw don’t have low range with the auto .
With so many gears that have close ratio, the car doesn't need low range.
Have a look on your tube what's id capable of from real people.
I'm more concerned about towing in reverse as this video explains very well.
Thanks for all the great info, keep it coming
get with manual gearbox, do egr and this vagon will go forever if service done in time. No other pickup will be that good on fuel consumption
We depend on people like you putting this content together! It is invaluable. why would people vote this down? Am I missing something?
There will always be vested interests, groupthink, deniers, haters, etc.
Should be VW employees...
We can sort it out with a simple ECU & TCU tune :)
Thank you so much for the video. What is the part required to be fitted to over ride this problem, and where is it available and who did you get it fitted by?
A reflash tune of the engine computer is required. You could ask for a tuner recommendation on this facebook group facebook.com/groups/338266946729944/
Thanks for your insights
many thx for this information regarding reverse issues of the Amarok Auto . Will rather now consider Toyota Hilux
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Great Video, I have a V6 and enjoy beach driving and I find it frustrating, do you know if it voids the warranty when you get the flash done?
My impression is that it can affect related components, drivetrain etc warranty, if you dont take the tune off before you hand it in, or if they notice a record of it being altered. The other option is a full refund for the whole vehicle.
@@rhetth-s8082 thanks for your response, Trouble is I like everything else of the vehicle, just that darn reverse.
@@wildsidemtb yeah, me too, although as mentioned my reverse is a lot better now. I hopped in a V6 mercedes X class dual cab the other day, very not impressed, the cab is made for asians.
Thats crazy, thats a full design flaw.
Great info thanks and what about the manual with low range it's ok?
The manual is fine it doesnt have this issue.
@@rhetth-s8082 thanks a lot.
I had a Toyota Hilux 3.0l auto and found when reversing from stationary it would not move backwards when up against a dirt bank. It just lack power. Had to take a very short run up to get up the bank. Now I own a VW Amarok 2.0l auto and have tried this on the same dirt bank and found the Amarok to be more responsive and easier to reverse up the bank. Just wondering if all a autos have this issue.
I have only had the issue in my Amarok. These days more and more new vehicles are being crippled. I recently watched a video where a guy was having problems reversing his jeep wrangler.
Rhett H-S Hi, just watched a video on TH-cam of an Amarok vs ford ranger in a tug of war. A strap was fixed to the front of the vehicles and both reversed. Best out of 3 the Amarok won every time the same with an Nissan pick up, the Amarok won again. The video was 5 years old
@@neilharvey9898 link? It doesnt exist without a link. I did some searching and couldnt find anything like that.
This was taken from the video titled "JTech Amarok Flash Tune - Fixing the Auto Reverse Issue"...
"A stock amarok still has reverse limitations that can be overcome with an ECU Remap.
It turns out, that the real issue is because of the heavy duty torque converter, as well as the gear ratios.
As the torque converter is so heavy duty, a stock Amarok doesn’t make enough torque to get the torque to enter its “coupling” phase, and effectively transfer enough torque to the wheels.
This can be altered with an ecu remap, by raising the torque limits, injection timing, injection quantity and “drivers wish” maps among others."
IMHO, everyone who cares about their motor and is out of warranty should have a remap anyway. Some footage from this video with the reverse working would have been nice, however, head over to the other video and you see a before and after tune in the sand.
The truth is the opposite of what you theorise. I did various research, awareness raising, testing, videos, etc, which inspired the Jtech video. Most of the footage in my video above was created before the Jtech video. One or more of my videos features the Jtech vehicle itself, before Jtech was created and the vehicle was signwritten. If you look closely at the Jtech video, you will see my vehicle in the background, i was there at the time the Jtech video was created.
There is also a problem with your analysis of the way the torque converter works. There is no such thing as a "coupling phase". Torque converter's are capable of transmitting torque from below idle onwards. They do not need much input rpm in order to start transmitting, and during the reverse issue the engine and one side of the torque converter can reach far more than enough rpm to be developing and transmitting full torque. They are not like a centrifugal pump that requires flow in order to express power, they specifically work in the absence of flow of that kind, the torque converter is a sealed unit. The reverse issue happenned to me many, many times, it is clear from the operation of the vehicle that the engine is not developing 420Nm at zero wheel speed, and there is plenty of other evidence that limiting happens at zero wheel speed. Jtech himself knows this and has written it publicaly.
Very good and informative video. Thanks.
Question, I have my Amarok mapped already and have found reversing up a slope heavily loaded a bit of an issue to where it would not spin the wheels, just rev.... Is the gearbox reverse a separate type of tune and can it be done to reverse gear only or is it for all forward gears also?
Thanks
Hi. It sounds like it wasnt done as part of your tune and thats a shame. I suggest you contact your tuner, they should always do this for Amaroks unless you ask them not to.
@@rhetth-s8082 thanks, it was an engine tune completed... I wasn't aware of the issue but thought more power in, more power out forward and reverse. Lots of people say the 4cyl has no reverse torque limiter... I will talk to my tuner. Thanks
@@roysmyth4284 supposedly there is a guy that reckons he cant see the 4cyl reverse torque limiting in the tune, and he has a heap of fanboys, but its really not something to take seriously, it could just be juvenile politics. These days manufacturers add 'anti abuse' features, with the 4cyl they give it a max of 180Nm or 200Nm at zero wheel speed depending on build year.
@@rhetth-s8082 cheers... I will investigate it with tuner.
Thanks for that, What type and size tyres do you have on that thing?
I originally put kumho all terrains on it in size 285 70 17. When they wore out i put 295 70 17 mickey thompson hybrid tyres on.
This guy must of got a lemon. Mine is completely fine never any dramas. I have 2015 2ltbt 8speed auto with 178000 on the clock and it reverse with a trailer no problem. I've been in really soft sand on the beach and it reverse fine. Maybe there are some duds out there but I love mine wouldn't want another 4x4 ute.
It's good to hear you haven't experienced the problem yet. I hope it never happens to you. If you watch the whole video though it shows numerous Amarok's with the issue, and from my extensive research those Amarok's are just the tip of the iceberg.
@@rhetth-s8082 I did watch the whole video, thats why i said maybe there is some duds out there. Can I ask though What do you mean by "those Amaroks" are the tip of the "iceberg"? And do you still own yours after all this and if so why? Thanks in advance.
@@deanhigginson7278 apart from the amarok's i have seen having reversing issues, i have received many reports from owners, and some have forced vw to refund them and take the vehicle back. I am yet to receive any proof than any Rok's do not have factory limitation on reverse. I still own mine, I had mine tuned to remove the limitation, and reverse is no longer a big issue for me, although it's still not ideal.
@@rhetth-s8082 Is there a reason you have kept you Amarok and not traded in for a different model or do you still have love for the car? Thanks
@@deanhigginson7278 the amarok does have a lot of great things about it, a class leading chassis, interior space, low NVH, steering, style, fuel economy, 8spd auto gearbox, constant awd, etc, etc. I have been in a couple of vehicles costing three times as much as mine yet the chassis and NVH were inferior, and one had a 3 pointed star on the front and the other was a porsche.
I have 2.0 amarok 2012 highline manual and all i know is that you must know some tricks to overcome anything that you see as an mission impossible. Dont forget in Greece we say that you must have "hands" to drive this vehicles. Its car and driver
Lucky for you, having a manual, with low range, means you dont have reversing issues.
@@rhetth-s8082 i understand that thats why no manual at all...
That's why the new Amarok is going too be based on the new ford ranger 🤣🤣🤣
Turn the traction control off this stops the problem when reversing.
Hi. Unfortunately turning ESC off does not stop the reverse torque limiting. Pretty much every time i went offroad i turned ESC off but it made no difference to the reverse torque limiting. There is also no suggestion in any of the other evidence from a variety of sources that ESC turns off the limiting.
thats a bloody good rant, as a 18 highline owner Im considering the tune, can you recommend anyone?
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I'm about to buy a 2017 v6 for towing and beach driving. What's the approximate cost to fix this?
About $1200 in australia afaik
@@rhetth-s8082 damn that's a lot of money for something that should be a switch. I'm still pretty keen on the Amarok though for towing and dune driving so will probably still get it, it's used so maybe the ecu has already been done. Do you still enjoy yours?
@@FourLowAdventures actually for a V6 there might be a cheaper option that just gets rid of the reverse limiting, not sure.
I ended up selling my amarok and getting a wagon and now the wagon is up for sale and got a single cab traytop.
That's about the only thing you can fault in SOME V6. I've seen 9 times out of 10 V6 owners reverse up sand dunes with no issues. Listening to this bloke is like going to a dealership for light globes.
You seem to be suggesting that 10% of V6 Amaroks are faulty, what dealership do you work for again? The Amarok is coded to have reverse limiting. If 90% of the ones you have seen can reverse up sand its because 200Nm is enough in that instance, or they are tuned.
Mines not tuned fully loaded with camp gear n four people had to reverse back up at mt side in the rain in nsw because i took a wrong track it was at lest 40degrees very happy with it
If u buy this in Greece forget about getting any refund
39 years old driving licence, 1.5 million driven keys. I never had to put my foot fully down in reverse..... another guy who wants to live without work... I guess...
Try a steeper hill
This is quiet disappoint I always consider amarok as one of the stronger but after this 😑😑its heartbreaking
Havent seen pat callinan with this issue have you asked him ?
He actually included the issue in one of his episodes when it happenned to him when he was towing a trailer with a V6 rok through Coffin Bay National Park.
Rhett H-S do you have the link. Can’t find anything
@@Dave-ig3km maybe if you look at the tv channel he airs on and look for past episodes?
Rhett H-S I have
@@Dave-ig3km yeah. I had a bit of a google but couldnt find any episodes. He was towing a trailer in sand and found he couldnt go forward anymore. He tried to reverse but no wheels would turn. So he had to winch out.
Ok - this does my head in. Firstly - this is the first time a marketing department has bullshitted us? Ok - maybe I'm not a naive as others. Secondly - get over the emissions claims please. If half of the companies in the world were held to true account you would be talking about a vastly different issue. Thirdly - If I was to stand on my left foot on the second Tuesday of a leap year whilst looking at a brick on the ground I expect it to be the same as if I was sitting on top of a mountain in central Himalaya. I get it - you want perfection - but it does not exist !
Simon pegg is absolutely right.
I reverse a 1 ton trailer going uphill in my V6 Sportsline with no issues. This is my daily driver I use for work. No tune. Is this issue happening to a few users or most?
Is it an auto? The issue is generally only noticed by a small proportion of people, although trailer users notice it more. Until a situation reaches the threshhold it wont happen. You could explore it if you want by say going to maximum load and then find a really steep hill. Otherwise be cautious about, say, driving forward down a steep driveway at full load if you cant turn around.
@@rhetth-s8082 I do push the car pretty hard while reversing going up hill with the trailer. Going uphill on a work site that has not been leveled with soft soil, sand and fairly good sized rocks that might be on site. Luckily no issues so far. Thanks for the informative video! I'll keep an eye on things from here on.
V6 go's into limp mode .. be carefull
2019 V6 Highline, reverse to a 30 degree driveway with approx 500kg in the tub, struggled a bit cos I did not want rev too much, it did just fine.
Nice 'Click-bait' heading Rhett! 2K views after a week is good going!
Always nice to have a genuinely newsworthy item.
is this only for the automatic v6?
And the auto 4cyl.
Thanks Rhett, very informative video, well done..
I didn't realise this problem even existed..
I'll have to check it out and see if the problem is fixed with my model..
V6 MY19 auto..
What do you think about throttle controllers (Idrive..?) for REDUCING TURBO LAG (most importantly), while still under warrantee..? (does this alone help at all with the reversing issue..?)
It sounds like I'm sure you'd know someone with an Amarok who's tried/got one..
If you train your mind and ankle to work faster when desired you have the best of both worlds, you have full flexibility, unlike a throttle controller where you have to change programs, and can easily be in the least appropriate program for any given situation that arises.
@@rhetth-s8082 .. Well thanks anyway Rhett..
Clown. Reverse mine everyday with over 2t and my driveway is at least 30 degrees incline
You do that dressed as a clown? Auto or manual? Tuned or std?
A number of people have had the problem of not being able to reverse heavy trailers up their driveway. It made them feel like a clown for buying the car but its not actually their fault. A 2t trailer is well below the rated capability. The reverse issue is something where if you stay just below the reverse capacity you can think its kinda okay, but load it a bit more and then people realise. People typically overestimate road angles, maybe your 30 degrees is actually 20 degrees, how about you measure it and get back to us.
My Amarok can go into reverse with 1.8 tons , so do not speak bullshit!
I know its a bugger, i dont want it to be true either, but its true. Just because it hasnt happenned to you yet, does not make you an expert. There is a lot of evidence in the videos, its compelling stuff. Since you say it hasnt happenned to you, dont stress, all good.
Hi Rhett was thinking of getting a online pettition going can i add your video to my pettition i think its time Vw take notice with heaps of signutures and a push
Yes, go for it.
facebook.com/groups/159280284587527/
Energy Vampire!
Reverse torque limiting is definitely an energy vampire.
what state is jtech in?
Its based out of Adelaide but travels all around. Best to contact him directly yourself.
I have no allegiance to VW - I have recently ordered a new Amarok but I did some homework. I suspect VW have given users the option to have a controlled vehicle that works within supply specs with the ability to do what you want (see th-cam.com/video/2Sgqtu0XPLI/w-d-xo.html) if you want to climb 45 degree slopes knock yourself out - but your wear the cost - as you would with any modification to spec.
The main people that have forced VW to refund them are owners with a trailer they need to reverse up a steep driveway.
video sponsored by Ford??? :)
I wish! Ha ha. Why do you think Ford? What about Toyota, can you approach them for funding for me? Backup plans could include Isuzu and Mazda.
Full of shit! This impacts 10% of them. We’re not sure why but the two I’ve had do not do this.
Had it happen to me twice . . Aftermarket tow pack helps a little as the ecu doesnt know there is trailer attached . Sux ass .. not happy VW
TH-camrs!
if you don't like, sell it. You should find these information before to buy it.
Here is where you find the information. Not at the dealer.
😴 💤
Made my decision not to buy one a lot easier thanks 👍🏻
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz oh its finished, phew
I got bogged in my v6 in sand and couldn’t reverse to get my self out and I wasn’t even bogged really bad. Had to get snatched out.
I love everything about my amarok but that part is just shit.
Sad part is I paid 1200 for a tune before the trip and still couldn’t reverse the bloody thing. 🤌
I suggest you contact your tuner and ask them if they removed the reverse torque limiting and if not ask them to remove it. They should have removed it as part of the tune.