I have heard that Mitsubishi never had the money to make a new car like what the rest yet Mitsubishi held on. That itself is n achievement IMO. i mean the evo 6.5 still ga e everyone the run and if not for 2-3 crashes might've even won it with a group A car vs real bigshots
Great video mate. I thoroughly enjoyed the detail you went into. Theres plenty of Mitsubishi videos out there, I've nearly watched them all. As a Mitsubishi fanboy, you have your history correct, which is hard to find in one place on TH-cam. I remember watching these stages on TV with my dad as a kid. I always wondered if there would be a detailed video like this explaining their downfall in the rally scene. You see plenty of the Evo 6 footage (they should have stuck with the 6) and them winning. Then they just "went away". Not alot of videos from the 2000s even stage footage around. I believe it was this part of their rally history, the rule changes, along with the new shape and the auto in the GTA that deterred many people from the 7. You then hear of the awesome comeback with the car from the 8 onwards. but this dead period between 2000 and 2002 is all tied up here. And you presented it very well. Alot of great footage.
1. Your accent is hard to follow 2. Stage by stage format is not that interesting to follow (boring). It would be interesting if you give a summary for each year. Then conclude reasons for the fall of Mitsubishi in point form. Great video though, thanks
It was somewhat of a miracle that Mitsubishi managed to turn around their 2000 struggles into 2001. For a while it looked like it was business as usual again. But it was probably helped by Peugeot and Subaru having a bit of a slump in that first half of 2001. But anyway Tommi might have taken the title if the stuck to the old car...but even at the time that didnt seem possible somehow. If felt like a Burns or Mcrae year.
Nice work but one thing is there to add, the Evo 6 was by far not a classic Group A car anymore. It was a hybrid with a Group A base and World Rally Car parts like sequential gearbox, huge wings and state of the art electronics ever since the Evo 4.
Hi, thanks for your comment! I have made a more compact video about Mitsubishi's Downfall a few weeks ago where I refined some mentioned details. Maybe you want to give it a watch :)
Thank you! My dad and I became Makinen fans in the 90's. Would you say it is up to the management or budget that the Mitsubishi WRC's failed in WRC? I have spoken to drivers in the Dutch rally championchip, nobody liked the EVO 7 WRC car. It is very unpredictable. But the EVO 8 is preferred by most Dutch drivers over the 2009 Impreza, having more torque and easy to controll in slides.
I would say that the management failed to start the development of their first WRC car as soon as possible. Whilst other teams had quite alot of experience with the regulations, Mitsubishi was still at the beginning. Also, they have once again failed to develop a car which suits all drivers instead of Tommi. Something, which was "fixed" in the WRC2 but the base was still attrocious. I guess their sabbatical in 2003 was the only logical choice for the Evo 8.
Was it the car or the driver? It seems like a little bit of both. However, more so the car than Tommi himself. I guess at that point in time, Mitsubishi was using this car as testing before releasing the Evo 8. Even if that was the case, the Mitsubishi WRC car after the 2001 season just didn’t seem very competitive at all. I wonder why the Evo 8 or 9 didn’t make a WRC run for Mitsubishi. Perhaps there was?…
I think 2001 it was car, team and drivers added injury of Mannisenmaki to leading co-driver change. It's seen many times in motorsport than when driver and team know driver will change team to next season they can't do their best. Team doesn't want to give leaving driver all info of next season car development and driver's focus is somehow slightly in next season on new team. In Mitsubishi case this did disturb development of next season car cause both drivers were leaving. 2002 on Mitsubishi drivers were not top 3 drivers.
@davecity Year 2000 showed Mitsubishi that they had dropped behind the more advanced WRC machinery, but managed to update the car for 2001 to bring good results (albeit, Mäkinen had to push like hell with the car which resulted on those two major mistakes in Sweden and Finland). I'd say that he was still very good in 2001, but the fact that Mitsubishi was forced to introduce WRC car against Mäkinen's wishes did really affect his performance and motivation (he did say that he could have won the title with the old car that year, as he was comfortable with it and could have snached at least good points results in the remainder of events). He also had all the pressure to provide good results for the team, as Loix was quite simply hopeless during his Mitsubishi years. Mannisenmäki's injury was another huge blow for his motivation for the remainder of the season, as they were great pair together, and it must've felt awful to see your co-worker hurt that badly. In 2002, Tommi had good motivation at the start of the season, but again had to push like hell and that resulted in multiple retirements. So I think that he went past his prime in 2002 and had lost the motivation by 2003. Mitsubishi had basically begged for extra couple years with their Group A regulation car in late 90's iirc, which FIA wouldn't agree anymore in 2001. This begs the question that couldn't Mitsubishi just update the existing car into WRC-class regulations earlier instead of doing brand new car, or, could they just have given that WRC-car to Loix and let Mäkinen finish 2001 with the old car.
Great video but it's hard to follow when you are covering all the stages. Even for the most hardcore of rally fans the result of the rally is just enough. You covered so much time that you could speak about Mitsubishi's miserable seasons until 2005
There are a lot of words to say why Mitsubishi's winning ways declined in 2001 were - the following are seen below: 1. The Lancer WRC was although based on the base mode Lancer (Cedia) which had production continued until 2006, in fact given the exterior appearance and mechanical specifications meant the Lancer WRC (first generation) was nothing but being quite identical to the appearance of the Lancer Evolution VII and because it was due to Mitsubishi that time - which was owned by Mercedes-Benz (Daimler) - did not have enough money to max the development of the Lancer WRC in order to distinguish it from the outgoing Group A Lancer that time. 2. Despite Mitsubishi during the same period had performed success in Dakar, which was set in Africa (now taking place in the Middle East) and even begin in the early period of a single year before WRC, the Ralliart team when its role in the said series declined meant that Mitsubishi Ralliart (team) focused much on the Dakar Rally with the Pajero/Shogun/Montero until the brand (Mitsubishi) pulled out from Dakar between 2007 and 2009, particularly with the latter being a result of the global financial crisis (which also affects Mitsubishi) and also Dakar switching to South America - at the same time Subaru already left WRC joining fellow compatriot Suzuki (because of Japan being affected heavily by recession) and the series hadn't offered a Japanese brand until Toyota returned in 2017. (But in recent periods Toyota has been dwarfened by Hyundai because I believe Toyota may end up like Mitsubishi later.) 3. The 2000 WRC season was the first for the series not to feature Toyota, as with the latter already hooked with a Formula One contract until 2009 (as having mentioned earlier), it left Mitsubishi, Subaru and Hyundai to be the only three Asian (the first two are Japanese and the last is South Korean) carmakers to compete in WRC and therefore their potential to win instead lag behind Peugeot (later Citroen) and Ford - as during that time the Blue Oval (aka Ford) was a bigger corporation (given its ownerships in Mazda, Volvo etc) while Hyundai was in the opposite being a smaller marque that also had a notoriety for having an engineering cooperation with Mitsubishi (just check out Gran Turismos 4-6 and you expect that the Accent WRC's exhaust soundclip being identical to the Lancer rally cars plus tuned passenger model Lancer Evos.) 4. Now with Toyota already the sole Japanese brand in WRC, also one of the only two Asian manufacturers to compete in the championship (other is Hyundai but as I said earlier its South Korean), and Mitsubishi and Subaru no longer in the series then I think given that Nissan - which competed in the WRC until 1992 - already owns Mitsubishi while at the same time Nissan is still under Renault's umbrella then I deeply notice that Toyota could purchase Nissan from Renault and instead of bringing both Subaru and Mitsubishi back in WRC I think a scenario of Nissan transisting from Renault to Toyota influence could just have Toyota help Nissan return in the WRC since Nissan (then called Datsun) is a bigger corporation than Subaru and Mitsubishi. (Although Nissan is in Formula E therefore the upcoming Micra will possess styling influences from the Toyota Corolla that competed in the WRC until 1999...)
![[Compilation] Tommi Mäkinen - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution WRC (2001)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-4DnjQG_tWU/mqdefault.jpg)
I have heard that Mitsubishi never had the money to make a new car like what the rest yet Mitsubishi held on. That itself is n achievement IMO. i mean the evo 6.5 still ga e everyone the run and if not for 2-3 crashes might've even won it with a group A car vs real bigshots
Great video mate. I thoroughly enjoyed the detail you went into. Theres plenty of Mitsubishi videos out there, I've nearly watched them all. As a Mitsubishi fanboy, you have your history correct, which is hard to find in one place on TH-cam. I remember watching these stages on TV with my dad as a kid. I always wondered if there would be a detailed video like this explaining their downfall in the rally scene. You see plenty of the Evo 6 footage (they should have stuck with the 6) and them winning. Then they just "went away". Not alot of videos from the 2000s even stage footage around. I believe it was this part of their rally history, the rule changes, along with the new shape and the auto in the GTA that deterred many people from the 7. You then hear of the awesome comeback with the car from the 8 onwards. but this dead period between 2000 and 2002 is all tied up here. And you presented it very well. Alot of great footage.
1. Your accent is hard to follow
2. Stage by stage format is not that interesting to follow (boring). It would be interesting if you give a summary for each year. Then conclude reasons for the fall of Mitsubishi in point form.
Great video though, thanks
It was somewhat of a miracle that Mitsubishi managed to turn around their 2000 struggles into 2001. For a while it looked like it was business as usual again. But it was probably helped by Peugeot and Subaru having a bit of a slump in that first half of 2001. But anyway Tommi might have taken the title if the stuck to the old car...but even at the time that didnt seem possible somehow. If felt like a Burns or Mcrae year.
Still, Makinen almost won... IMO that championship would be his, if Mitsu wasn't rushed by FIA to make the Lancer WRC
After seeing the 2002 season I have to say that please keep up doing this kind of videos, I really enjoy them
Thank you very much! I plan on doing the rest of the WRC seasons from Mitsubishi. I might do a few more of these!
If I may suggest, do something like the 2001 season overall, how calamitous the whole season is. Or, 1995 season, man I got so much I can think of.
They’d have won the championship in 2001; if they had stuck with the same car.
Nice work but one thing is there to add, the Evo 6 was by far not a classic Group A car anymore. It was a hybrid with a Group A base and World Rally Car parts like sequential gearbox, huge wings and state of the art electronics ever since the Evo 4.
Hi, thanks for your comment!
I have made a more compact video about Mitsubishi's Downfall a few weeks ago where I refined some mentioned details. Maybe you want to give it a watch :)
Funny thing, the evo7 was introduced as wrc, but no modification on the bodywork was made, it was like a group A on the outside.
Thank you! My dad and I became Makinen fans in the 90's. Would you say it is up to the management or budget that the Mitsubishi WRC's failed in WRC?
I have spoken to drivers in the Dutch rally championchip, nobody liked the EVO 7 WRC car. It is very unpredictable. But the EVO 8 is preferred by most Dutch drivers over the 2009 Impreza, having more torque and easy to controll in slides.
I would say that the management failed to start the development of their first WRC car as soon as possible. Whilst other teams had quite alot of experience with the regulations, Mitsubishi was still at the beginning.
Also, they have once again failed to develop a car which suits all drivers instead of Tommi. Something, which was "fixed" in the WRC2 but the base was still attrocious. I guess their sabbatical in 2003 was the only logical choice for the Evo 8.
Was it the car or the driver? It seems like a little bit of both. However, more so the car than Tommi himself. I guess at that point in time, Mitsubishi was using this car as testing before releasing the Evo 8. Even if that was the case, the Mitsubishi WRC car after the 2001 season just didn’t seem very competitive at all. I wonder why the Evo 8 or 9 didn’t make a WRC run for Mitsubishi. Perhaps there was?…
I think 2001 it was car, team and drivers added injury of Mannisenmaki to leading co-driver change. It's seen many times in motorsport than when driver and team know driver will change team to next season they can't do their best. Team doesn't want to give leaving driver all info of next season car development and driver's focus is somehow slightly in next season on new team. In Mitsubishi case this did disturb development of next season car cause both drivers were leaving. 2002 on Mitsubishi drivers were not top 3 drivers.
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@davecity Year 2000 showed Mitsubishi that they had dropped behind the more advanced WRC machinery, but managed to update the car for 2001 to bring good results (albeit, Mäkinen had to push like hell with the car which resulted on those two major mistakes in Sweden and Finland). I'd say that he was still very good in 2001, but the fact that Mitsubishi was forced to introduce WRC car against Mäkinen's wishes did really affect his performance and motivation (he did say that he could have won the title with the old car that year, as he was comfortable with it and could have snached at least good points results in the remainder of events). He also had all the pressure to provide good results for the team, as Loix was quite simply hopeless during his Mitsubishi years. Mannisenmäki's injury was another huge blow for his motivation for the remainder of the season, as they were great pair together, and it must've felt awful to see your co-worker hurt that badly. In 2002, Tommi had good motivation at the start of the season, but again had to push like hell and that resulted in multiple retirements. So I think that he went past his prime in 2002 and had lost the motivation by 2003.
Mitsubishi had basically begged for extra couple years with their Group A regulation car in late 90's iirc, which FIA wouldn't agree anymore in 2001. This begs the question that couldn't Mitsubishi just update the existing car into WRC-class regulations earlier instead of doing brand new car, or, could they just have given that WRC-car to Loix and let Mäkinen finish 2001 with the old car.
Nice video man 👏👏
Thank you very much!
Amazing vid, nothing else to say!
Great video but it's hard to follow when you are covering all the stages. Even for the most hardcore of rally fans the result of the rally is just enough. You covered so much time that you could speak about Mitsubishi's miserable seasons until 2005
No wonder why tommi moved to subaru in 2002
There are a lot of words to say why Mitsubishi's winning ways declined in 2001 were - the following are seen below:
1. The Lancer WRC was although based on the base mode Lancer (Cedia) which had production continued until 2006, in fact given the exterior appearance and mechanical specifications meant the Lancer WRC (first generation) was nothing but being quite identical to the appearance of the Lancer Evolution VII and because it was due to Mitsubishi that time - which was owned by Mercedes-Benz (Daimler) - did not have enough money to max the development of the Lancer WRC in order to distinguish it from the outgoing Group A Lancer that time.
2. Despite Mitsubishi during the same period had performed success in Dakar, which was set in Africa (now taking place in the Middle East) and even begin in the early period of a single year before WRC, the Ralliart team when its role in the said series declined meant that Mitsubishi Ralliart (team) focused much on the Dakar Rally with the Pajero/Shogun/Montero until the brand (Mitsubishi) pulled out from Dakar between 2007 and 2009, particularly with the latter being a result of the global financial crisis (which also affects Mitsubishi) and also Dakar switching to South America - at the same time Subaru already left WRC joining fellow compatriot Suzuki (because of Japan being affected heavily by recession) and the series hadn't offered a Japanese brand until Toyota returned in 2017. (But in recent periods Toyota has been dwarfened by Hyundai because I believe Toyota may end up like Mitsubishi later.)
3. The 2000 WRC season was the first for the series not to feature Toyota, as with the latter already hooked with a Formula One contract until 2009 (as having mentioned earlier), it left Mitsubishi, Subaru and Hyundai to be the only three Asian (the first two are Japanese and the last is South Korean) carmakers to compete in WRC and therefore their potential to win instead lag behind Peugeot (later Citroen) and Ford - as during that time the Blue Oval (aka Ford) was a bigger corporation (given its ownerships in Mazda, Volvo etc) while Hyundai was in the opposite being a smaller marque that also had a notoriety for having an engineering cooperation with Mitsubishi (just check out Gran Turismos 4-6 and you expect that the Accent WRC's exhaust soundclip being identical to the Lancer rally cars plus tuned passenger model Lancer Evos.)
4. Now with Toyota already the sole Japanese brand in WRC, also one of the only two Asian manufacturers to compete in the championship (other is Hyundai but as I said earlier its South Korean), and Mitsubishi and Subaru no longer in the series then I think given that Nissan - which competed in the WRC until 1992 - already owns Mitsubishi while at the same time Nissan is still under Renault's umbrella then I deeply notice that Toyota could purchase Nissan from Renault and instead of bringing both Subaru and Mitsubishi back in WRC I think a scenario of Nissan transisting from Renault to Toyota influence could just have Toyota help Nissan return in the WRC since Nissan (then called Datsun) is a bigger corporation than Subaru and Mitsubishi. (Although Nissan is in Formula E therefore the upcoming Micra will possess styling influences from the Toyota Corolla that competed in the WRC until 1999...)
Great video mate 👍🏼 very interesting
Thanks Michael :)
Make more of this. I love how u tried to do something that's mostly bout F1 so a WRC video is so refreshing ❤