The original 790 duke came with the full electronics package as standard. I bought my 2020 bike new for £6995. The new bike is £1000 more, with 10 less hp,, it's built in china and you have to pay extra for the exciting bits. Way to go KTM. You are shining so brightly.
The prices of all bikes have skyrocket. Comparing prices from three years ago can only bring tears to your eyes. Currently, Chinese bikes are starting to cost as much as Japanese did three years ago.
I think we all need to start getting used to China assembling some manufacturers bikes moving forward. This move saves money for the bike companies which doesn't always transpire to money savings for us the consumers.
I have the full 105bhp version. 2 years of ownership, zero issues and an absolute hooligan. I'm sure CFmoto is following proper quality standards so quality shudnt be an issue.
2019 KTM 790 still going strong. Broke it in properly. MotoRex oil changes every 3500 miles, and the oil comes out clean like golden honey. Had no issues so far other than a stock squeaky chain.
100% right, such a shame, ktms look awesome, but iv owned one for 2 years and sold it when the warranty expired, 2 engine rebuilds and loads of other issues not worth it
@@Alex75990 1st rebuild was a product recall due to gaskets not holding enough pressure, that was at 900 miles 2nd rebuild at 7600 miles due to exhaust valve hitting the piston and blew the engine, all under warranty though, I don't own that scrap bike no more thank god
@@T3-RIDER wow that really sounds scary. I was thinking about getting one but I m 188cm tall (6,2") and it was kinda too small for me. now I m waiting for my gsx-8s and hope it was the better choice (or at least the longer lasting one)
I’ve owned 6 KTMs. They are amazing bikes and IMO no worse in reliability than other Euro brands. The 790 is a brilliant bike, so well balanced and nimble. I haven’t ridden a Hornet but I’d be surprised if it feels anywhere near as responsive.
@@aryencas ive owned 2, i can tell u its not bulletproof bike, but its fun honestly, just test ride 790 yesterday, too raw for me now tho, not great for pillion for sure
Talk about a comment that has aged like milk lol KTM engines falling apart after 2k miles in 2024. Does not matter if its 790 or 890 or anything else, THEY are awful. Such a shame, glad im not a KTM simp
I too had the earlier 790 Duke with full electronics for £7,500. I loved it but had to get rid due to poor quality: engine paint chipped, decals peeled. Seat was was so hard and that ergo seat is no softer, don't know why KTM stick with hard seats generally on their bikes. Also had ABS light that would intermittently flash which they couldn't fix and it cut out on me twice. Just lost confidence in it, shame! Got 2022 Street Triple now, better on every level.
A good review thanks. I rode the new hornet & 790 Duke 2 weeks ago and ordered the ktm. I just felt it was a better bike in lots of respects, ride, engine performance, throttle reaction, fun factor. I gave the Honda back after 45 minutes but rode the ktm for an hour and a half. With the quick shifter offer and low rate financing the difference in cost is minimal. As for reliability then time will tell. A 2 year warranty and a local dealer will be the test of ownership. Chinese build does not bother me, my iPhone is made there and my Kawasaki z900 was made in Thailand.
I always think of the first set of Goodyear F1 Eagles I had fitted to my car, made in Germany and were absolutely fantastic, wet or dry. Replaced them with another set and couldn't understand why they were nowhere near as good as the first set, in fact they were rubbish. Then had a closer look only to discover that they were MADE IN CHINA. Oh the pain, what a waste of money, never again, unless it's tea or a takeaway, forget it!
I have a 2019 here in the US. I've owned a bunch of Bonnevilles and a few adventure bikes. The Duke is amazing! Super light, easy to ride and perfect amount of power for the road. If you're on the fence, get it. You will not be disappointed.
i tried the new Duke 790 today and I thought it was brilliant. I'm coming from CP2 in yamaha's tracer 7 and this was certainly even more fun. but one thing I was not happy about at all was the throttle which when held at steady 50km/h in town was rather jerky. I do agree that when opening the throttle it is super smooth which is unusual for a twin...
Bought an A2 model and keeped it for 2 years and a half and done 43000km with it. I had unrestricted it after 2 years. I had some small issues but globally it was reliable.
I couldn't ever buy another KTM after my experience with them. They do great in road tests but owning 1 for a few years is an altogether different thing.
Iv owned 1 ktm for 2 years finally sold it 3 weeks ago, spent 5 months getting repaired, after 2 engine rebuilds and over 10 other warranty repairs I had to get rid
@@Kodreanu23 125 duke 2021 model 1st rebuild due to gaskets not holding sufficient engine pressure at 900 miles 2nd rebuild at 7300 miles due to exhaust valve hitting the piston and blew up, 1 whole headlight unit due to faulty electrical wiring 1 new ecu due to failure 1 new wiring loom due to rusting 1 new dash due to water leaking inside 1 HT leads due to premature failure 1 timing chain tensioner at 3400 due to being loose 1 new kickstand bolts due it being rusted stiff when I went on holiday for a week and I keep my bike in a garage
I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole had the 2018 and it was brilliant to ride but god the amount of recalls i had plus ongoing issues didn't make me confident of it lasting so sold it off. Purchased @£7500 new with all rider aids enabled as well
I bought a brand new one in2018 and loved it however there were issues over heating , corrosion and a tft that developed cracks all sorted under warranty but when your going for a ride and concerned you may not get Home it's time to get rid. Love the quickshifter up and down track pack and anti wheel control etc etc was all part of the price for £8799 now its optional for £7999 hmm
Traded a 2022 striple rs for the 790 and though the striple was a very good bike, for me it doesn't come close to the 790 for agility & slightly hooligan fun riding
hello, I bought the duke 790 of 2023 1 month and I am convinced of the quality of manufacture I had a street twin before and I find no difference in quality! except more plastic. we put a duke 890 on the side and frankly it's hard to tell the difference (the noise and 20 more ch is clear) and the price! ! otherwise I had a street triple again before A2 and I really find myself in the best of worlds. I have more torque more power and it's lege.
good thing about KTM is they all feel like complete in stock version, there is not a whole lot to modify they are kinda made perfect thats why they are expensive
I was once a KTM man through and through but now, I'm more a Yamaha man. KTM seem to be more interested in selling bikes than selling good bikes. Sorry KTM, but I'll not be buying another KTM unless things change.
Nice review. This is a bit of a sleeper in the class imo I think as everyone's going on about the Hornet vs the GSX8S etc. However it's the same price as the Suzuki, looks very similar if that's your thing, & also has 5 bhp & 9 lbs/ft more than the Hornet as well as being the same weight. It should kill off everything else in the class except the Tuono for peak power, but has bags more torque than that as well as being about £1500 cheaper. Only possible fly in the ointment for the KTM is reliability & dealer network....maybe?
Yeah the KTM owner experience is shit. Great fun Bikes good price to performance but yeah. I owned one for 2 years it was in the shop for 4-5 months of those 2 years
Nice review! I have a 2019 790 DUKE, and I really enjoy riding it. This model as you say -10 Hp from the previous generation (due to EURO norm change) but I am sure it is plenty for it. I put on some PowerParts, custom and 3rd party parts and SC-Project S1 slip-on. Fortunately, my bike came with a quick shifter as standard, it is a must, really helps the quick shift up and down. Oh and put on decent tires. The factory one (Maxxis) is garbage, you really have to heat them up to grip, It is slippery you cannot rely on it. Fairly easy to maintain yourself as do on mine. The only thing I miss from my bike is a cruise control. There is no way to retrofit the current generation CC.
Do you have in GB, Cfmoto 800 NK? In fact, this is sister bike to KTM 790 but cheaper of course and with all whistles and bells (not sure about cornering ABS). It would be interesting to see your opinion.
Keep Taking my Money.... Never again! The deal breaker for me was the dealer tried blaming me for warped rotors and software issues after 1000km. Sold 9 months after ownership and promised myself to never fall for the hype again. Too bad since I've owned 7 of them over the years
@@kugangles9860 Fair point, but reliability can be down in part at least to quality of build, time will tell. Most will agree KTM reliably is questionable, anything that may improve that is a positive.
I bought a 2023 790 about three weeks ago. I got it for $6,899 + shipping, assembly CA tax bla bla bla. Out the door it was under $10,000. Pretty good for CA. I love love love this bike! The brakes are awesome for unbranded. It is super light, or at least it feels super light. The handling is like riding my 325lbs Duke 690 but with power. Throw it into a turn and it just wants more. The power is enough. After adjusting the bars and levers I find it comfortable, and the seat is good. It may be built in Cina but who cares because it rides like a magic carpet. Overall, with only 600 miles I give it a 9 for fun to value. I will have to see about reliability, too soon to tell. Just a few picks on it. The tires are ok but riding it hard it has been odd downhill, on the brakes if there are any bumps. They kind of squeal like they are not happy. Tire are replaced constantly so that is no big deal. They are just ok. It started leaking oil after the first hard ride (not taking it over the 6,500 rpm break in limit). The leak is from the oil filter cover, so I am not too worried. The bike sat for two years so the rubber was probably dry. Lastly the seat lock will not open. It opened when I put the registration under the seat, but I doesn't work now. Other than that I have never owned a bike that was this much fun for so cheap.
I own the 105hp version, and the throttle is fine in rain/street modes. However on sport/track modes, it's not smooth when you start opening the throttle.
Yep. After the 2018 790 they gave it more reciprocating mass in 2019 to prevent stalling and smoothe it out. The It's not an issue when you get used to the bike. Still have my 2018 and I love it! Wouldn't be happy with the 2023 being down 10hp..would go for 890r
@@maxwellfluckiger6829 not in 2019 .. I have a late 2019 with the original engine .. thats how it is in the UK anyways - all the original 790's that were sold here before KTM discontinued it in 2021 are the same - it's only the 2023 and onwards that have changed slightly.
@@maxwellfluckiger6829 for sure, it's no big issue .. mine cut out cruising up to junctions twice before it's first service but has done a few thousand miles since without ever doing it again.
What is your recommendation to buy for everyday riding and occasional touring between those bikes? Aprilia tuono 660 factory 11000e, ktm 790 duke 9800e and street triple 765r 10200e. Which bike will offer the best package for its price in your opinion and long term reliability?
As with BMWs, considering a KTM has only becomes harder. While they do, indeed, perform, they also continue to have reliability problems. I'm sure there will be comments about someone's personal experience being different, the overall the stories simply haven't changed. It's purely a management/company culture problem: If the engineers can put together the kind of product people LOVE to ride, they are also capable of making a product that doesn't spend a large percentage of its time in the shop. I've passed on dozens of these two brands in the past, new and used, even knowing that a majority of the "known issues" have been rectified with upgrades or factory fixes. The problems just get worse, more expensive, and take up more ownership time with the miles. I'd MUCH rather have a Hornet or 8S and miss out on bit of that scalpel thing in place of being to just get on and ride whenever I felt like it. This consideration should always be mentioned in reviews. Just read some comments for this video.
Japan motorcycle makers just know how to make reliable bikes, and now with the Hornets new electronics additions and great price it's hard to consider a KTM unless style is your top priority
@George Krpan me too. I got the 390 Duke v2. But 30k hard kilometres on it in a hot tropical country. Changed the oil every 3.5k, and I've not had a single issue with her.. It's an awesome fun bike.
It's a tricky decision. I mean I've ridden KTM 390's on track many times (hire bikes) and they are so much fun. They cop an absolute hiding. However they don't have any of the instrument panel or lights. And because they are not yours you don't look as hard at the plastics. I've owned KTM V twins and they have been fantastic bikes to own. But I do wonder if this new breed of Katos will have more problems both electrical and mechanical. And that only going off from what I've seen on the net and heard from a local dealer. I can see myself going the GSX8S. I don't like that it doesn't have tail lights as part of the body, and I don't like the look of the instrument panel above the headlight. It looks like a star wars character. But apart from that it sounds and looks like a solid bike. I feel for long ownership it will be a sold bike.
I currently have a Ducati 1100 scrambler and a KTM 390 Duke which I use for commuting. Im thinking of trading in for the Duke 790 because i am nearly sixty and would like a lighter bike that retains similar performance to the Ducati. Just wondered if anyone has any thoughts or insight? I love the lightness of the 390 which has got me thinking about getting one bike for all use. What are they like on rough south east England roads?
I like it! I want a new middle weight sporty bike, and I had been considering a Hornet... but that bike will not be available until next year here in Canada. I have to go check this one out. A supermoto style and ride appeals to me - light and lively....
Great presentation thank you. I'm 6ft 2inch, am I too tall for the 790 Duke?, I'm really struggling to find a bike that is big enough without it being a huge machine, (adventure bikes etc), I don't want to look like a pea on a drum.
I bought a 790 Duke brand new and it was an absolute POS!!!....oil leaks, radiator hose leaks, smelled like fuel (vapor leaks from fuel tank) and electrical problems. This was all within 600 miles. I sold it for a loss and was glad to get rid of it. I have had several KTM dirtbikes, 640LC variants and they were all reliable, but that 790 motor is absolute garbage regarding reliability.
I really contemplated getting this bike as I found one for a pretty good price but honestly for whatever weird reason I’ve just been wanting an adventure bike so I got the Kim 390 adventure. It’s plenty fast enough for me as I don’t need to do 120 everywhere I go and I like being able to ride on shitty roads as I live in the middle of nowhere but also like being comfy riding around town or the city so it fit me pretty good and looks awesome in my opinion but I’m thinking this will prob be my next bike lol
Oh no ! Love it . Looks like a modern RD package here to me . Not mad about the china link though . Im Returning to biking after 10 years away . This or Bmw F900R ?🤷♂️
@@georgekrpan3181 thanks had no idea . Not sure why i have a issue , if no one had said i would have been none the wiser . So much stuff is Chinese these days . 🫣
790 or Hornet, or 8s? Reliability is a factor, at least in people's minds if not in reality. I have a '22 Vitpilen and the reliability is good so far. There were a lot of critics of the first gen 790. Looks like the new gen is in reality a new bike.
I've got a 2020 790 and it has the very worst throttle response I have ever had the misfortune to use, of any of the 30 odd bikes I've owned over the last 35 years. As in so bad it's almost unrideable. I'd like to think it was just my bike, except I also road a demo bike that was exactly the same. So what gives? Why do some people find the throttle response acceptable? I mean, it's truly diabolically awful. The absolute worst. It's a massive shame because the rest of it is really nice.
I never understand how reviewers talk about seat height but never sit on the bike. Show us viewers! Let us see you tip toe, flat footing whatever the case may be
I've had a SDR for 3 years. It's never missed a beat. In my experience the 'unreliable' bikes are bikes that don't get ridden much. I can't say I've had any problems.
I've got an 890r..and it's absolutely awesome..if it breaks it's got a warrantee...a lot of moaners always commenting ..are the chinese built ones any good? well time will tell, but I'm sure they're fine
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I dont think anyone cares what the stock exhaust is... :D most will get Akra lol
The original 790 duke came with the full electronics package as standard. I bought my 2020 bike new for £6995. The new bike is £1000 more, with 10 less hp,, it's built in china and you have to pay extra for the exciting bits. Way to go KTM. You are shining so brightly.
The prices of all bikes have skyrocket. Comparing prices from three years ago can only bring tears to your eyes. Currently, Chinese bikes are starting to cost as much as Japanese did three years ago.
I remember seeing 2018 one second hand for £2,6k. Still regretting I didn't pull the trigger.
I think we all need to start getting used to China assembling some manufacturers bikes moving forward. This move saves money for the bike companies which doesn't always transpire to money savings for us the consumers.
@@smaze1782 you are right so we may as well buy a Chinese bike and reap the savings 😂
I have the same situation here in the Philippines.
How has your 790 been?
i got the 105bhp 790. great bike, absolute hooligan on the streets and just so well balanced. its super easy to ride.
Can you daily it?
How do you know the difference. What can I look out for ? In the model number
I have the full 105bhp version. 2 years of ownership, zero issues and an absolute hooligan. I'm sure CFmoto is following proper quality standards so quality shudnt be an issue.
Just picked one up yesterday. First 2023 on the road in Ireland apparently. First proper ride today and was impressed.
Congratulations man!
2019 KTM 790 still going strong. Broke it in properly. MotoRex oil changes every 3500 miles, and the oil comes out clean like golden honey. Had no issues so far other than a stock squeaky chain.
Test rode one of these last week and LOVED IT.
The only thing stopping me pulling the trigger is KTM's reliability track record.
100% right, such a shame, ktms look awesome, but iv owned one for 2 years and sold it when the warranty expired, 2 engine rebuilds and loads of other issues not worth it
@@T3-RIDERyou had 2 engine rebuilds within the first 2 years?
You're right to be hesitant about the reliability
@@Alex75990 1st rebuild was a product recall due to gaskets not holding enough pressure, that was at 900 miles
2nd rebuild at 7600 miles due to exhaust valve hitting the piston and blew the engine, all under warranty though, I don't own that scrap bike no more thank god
@@T3-RIDER wow that really sounds scary. I was thinking about getting one but I m 188cm tall (6,2") and it was kinda too small for me. now I m waiting for my gsx-8s and hope it was the better choice (or at least the longer lasting one)
I’ve owned 6 KTMs. They are amazing bikes and IMO no worse in reliability than other Euro brands. The 790 is a brilliant bike, so well balanced and nimble. I haven’t ridden a Hornet but I’d be surprised if it feels anywhere near as responsive.
6 KTM's
How many miles on each? Just wondering
Because 6x indicate that you probably did not do 50k miles on each? :)
I am in love with this Duke 790. The only thing which make me doubt is that many riders say that KTM is not reliable. Is that true? Thanks a lot.
@@aryencas ive owned 2, i can tell u its not bulletproof bike, but its fun honestly, just test ride 790 yesterday, too raw for me now tho, not great for pillion for sure
Talk about a comment that has aged like milk lol
KTM engines falling apart after 2k miles in 2024.
Does not matter if its 790 or 890 or anything else, THEY are awful.
Such a shame, glad im not a KTM simp
I too had the earlier 790 Duke with full electronics for £7,500. I loved it but had to get rid due to poor quality: engine paint chipped, decals peeled. Seat was was so hard and that ergo seat is no softer, don't know why KTM stick with hard seats generally on their bikes. Also had ABS light that would intermittently flash which they couldn't fix and it cut out on me twice. Just lost confidence in it, shame! Got 2022 Street Triple now, better on every level.
A good review thanks. I rode the new hornet & 790 Duke 2 weeks ago and ordered the ktm. I just felt it was a better bike in lots of respects, ride, engine performance, throttle reaction, fun factor. I gave the Honda back after 45 minutes but rode the ktm for an hour and a half. With the quick shifter offer and low rate financing the difference in cost is minimal. As for reliability then time will tell. A 2 year warranty and a local dealer will be the test of ownership. Chinese build does not bother me, my iPhone is made there and my Kawasaki z900 was made in Thailand.
The fun factor is off the charts for sure.
I always think of the first set of Goodyear F1 Eagles I had fitted to my car, made in Germany and were absolutely fantastic, wet or dry. Replaced them with another set and couldn't understand why they were nowhere near as good as the first set, in fact they were rubbish. Then had a closer look only to discover that they were
MADE IN CHINA.
Oh the pain, what a waste of money, never again, unless it's tea or a takeaway, forget it!
I have a 2019 here in the US. I've owned a bunch of Bonnevilles and a few adventure bikes. The Duke is amazing! Super light, easy to ride and perfect amount of power for the road. If you're on the fence, get it. You will not be disappointed.
i tried the new Duke 790 today and I thought it was brilliant. I'm coming from CP2 in yamaha's tracer 7 and this was certainly even more fun. but one thing I was not happy about at all was the throttle which when held at steady 50km/h in town was rather jerky. I do agree that when opening the throttle it is super smooth which is unusual for a twin...
Bought an A2 model and keeped it for 2 years and a half and done 43000km with it. I had unrestricted it after 2 years. I had some small issues but globally it was reliable.
is it possible to unrestritct it? here the KTM dealer said that 2023 KTM790 L is not possible to unrestrict only by KTM but they wont do it
I appreciate your comments about the fun throttle. Applies to my 390 too.
I couldn't ever buy another KTM after my experience with them. They do great in road tests but owning 1 for a few years is an altogether different thing.
What broke on your KTM?
Iv owned 1 ktm for 2 years finally sold it 3 weeks ago, spent 5 months getting repaired, after 2 engine rebuilds and over 10 other warranty repairs I had to get rid
@@T3-RIDER which KTM model was that?
Examples
@@Kodreanu23 125 duke 2021 model 1st rebuild due to gaskets not holding sufficient engine pressure at 900 miles
2nd rebuild at 7300 miles due to exhaust valve hitting the piston and blew up,
1 whole headlight unit due to faulty electrical wiring
1 new ecu due to failure
1 new wiring loom due to rusting
1 new dash due to water leaking inside
1 HT leads due to premature failure
1 timing chain tensioner at 3400 due to being loose
1 new kickstand bolts due it being rusted stiff when I went on holiday for a week and I keep my bike in a garage
Still riding my 2018 model with 33000km now and still loving it.
It always does whatever I ask of it 😊
I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole had the 2018 and it was brilliant to ride but god the amount of recalls i had plus ongoing issues didn't make me confident of it lasting so sold it off.
Purchased @£7500 new with all rider aids enabled as well
Careful Motobob, that 790 looks like it’s about to piss oil all over that pristine floor. 😂
2020 Duke 790 owner here. Great houligan, Supermoto type ride. Too busy for a consistent commuter.
I bought a brand new one in2018 and loved it however there were issues over heating , corrosion and a tft that developed cracks all sorted under warranty but when your going for a ride and concerned you may not get Home it's time to get rid. Love the quickshifter up and down track pack and anti wheel control etc etc was all part of the price for £8799 now its optional for £7999 hmm
5 years past ... the price of beer at my kiosk went up by 20 percent in one week
@@kloppskalli go to a different kiosk
Hopefully they cured the warping discs and the rocker cover gaskets leaks 👍🏻
Traded a 2022 striple rs for the 790 and though the striple was a very good bike, for me it doesn't come close to the 790 for agility & slightly hooligan fun riding
the best of middleweights a lot lighter ,more power than hornet, mto7,suzuki ,easy bike to ride even for beginners ,great review
hello, I bought the duke 790 of 2023
1 month and I am convinced of the quality of manufacture
I had a street twin before and I find no difference in quality!
except more plastic.
we put a duke 890 on the side and frankly it's hard to tell the difference (the noise and 20 more ch is clear) and the price! !
otherwise I had a street triple again before A2 and I really find myself in the best of worlds. I have more torque more power and it's lege.
The throttle mapping on my 790 was horrendous going through town. Probably the main reason I sold it.
good thing about KTM is they all feel like complete in stock version, there is not a whole lot to modify they are kinda made perfect thats why they are expensive
Did they address the oil and coolant leaks. My 2019 790 was awful
I was once a KTM man through and through but now, I'm more a Yamaha man. KTM seem to be more interested in selling bikes than selling good bikes. Sorry KTM, but I'll not be buying another KTM unless things change.
I’m picking up mine in 2 weeks. Deposit is paid. If it breaks down, I’ll be covered by the warranty. When the warranty runs out I’ll get a new bike.
So I wonder if this "new one" also leaks oil and coolant like the original one...
Lols..they all do...but easy fix under warranty
Nice review. This is a bit of a sleeper in the class imo I think as everyone's going on about the Hornet vs the GSX8S etc. However it's the same price as the Suzuki, looks very similar if that's your thing, & also has 5 bhp & 9 lbs/ft more than the Hornet as well as being the same weight. It should kill off everything else in the class except the Tuono for peak power, but has bags more torque than that as well as being about £1500 cheaper. Only possible fly in the ointment for the KTM is reliability & dealer network....maybe?
Definitely ready to repair
@@Steve-motorcycles Lol. Clever. : )
Yeah the KTM owner experience is shit. Great fun Bikes good price to performance but yeah.
I owned one for 2 years it was in the shop for 4-5 months of those 2 years
@@mikethompson7046 mine was in the shop under warranty for four months out of 12. I traded it with an oil leak after a year
Does it still have the cold start problem that the 790 adventure R has it takes like 3-4 times to get it to start
Nice review! I have a 2019 790 DUKE, and I really enjoy riding it. This model as you say -10 Hp from the previous generation (due to EURO norm change) but I am sure it is plenty for it. I put on some PowerParts, custom and 3rd party parts and SC-Project S1 slip-on. Fortunately, my bike came with a quick shifter as standard, it is a must, really helps the quick shift up and down. Oh and put on decent tires. The factory one (Maxxis) is garbage, you really have to heat them up to grip, It is slippery you cannot rely on it. Fairly easy to maintain yourself as do on mine. The only thing I miss from my bike is a cruise control. There is no way to retrofit the current generation CC.
There is 3 different Ergo seats -20mm / Standard / +20mm
Do you have in GB, Cfmoto 800 NK? In fact, this is sister bike to KTM 790 but cheaper of course and with all whistles and bells (not sure about cornering ABS). It would be interesting to see your opinion.
Keep Taking my Money.... Never again! The deal breaker for me was the dealer tried blaming me for warped rotors and software issues after 1000km. Sold 9 months after ownership and promised myself to never fall for the hype again. Too bad since I've owned 7 of them over the years
They replaced my rotors without any questions..even put new pads on free too! Dealers at Hemel Hempstead have been great!
Good review, interesting development, cfmoto build could prove to be more reliable than a KTM build 🤔
My thought exactly…
Same engine, gearbox, swingarm, in the CFMoto so same reliability.
@@kugangles9860 Fair point, but reliability can be down in part at least to quality of build, time will tell. Most will agree KTM reliably is questionable, anything that may improve that is a positive.
These LC8c engines in 790/890s are not 270 degree crankshaft offset engines. They are 285 degrees like the 75 degree V2's in Super Duke 1290 etc.
I bought a 2023 790 about three weeks ago. I got it for $6,899 + shipping, assembly CA tax bla bla bla. Out the door it was under $10,000. Pretty good for CA. I love love love this bike! The brakes are awesome for unbranded. It is super light, or at least it feels super light. The handling is like riding my 325lbs Duke 690 but with power. Throw it into a turn and it just wants more. The power is enough. After adjusting the bars and levers I find it comfortable, and the seat is good. It may be built in Cina but who cares because it rides like a magic carpet. Overall, with only 600 miles I give it a 9 for fun to value. I will have to see about reliability, too soon to tell. Just a few picks on it. The tires are ok but riding it hard it has been odd downhill, on the brakes if there are any bumps. They kind of squeal like they are not happy. Tire are replaced constantly so that is no big deal. They are just ok. It started leaking oil after the first hard ride (not taking it over the 6,500 rpm break in limit). The leak is from the oil filter cover, so I am not too worried. The bike sat for two years so the rubber was probably dry. Lastly the seat lock will not open. It opened when I put the registration under the seat, but I doesn't work now. Other than that I have never owned a bike that was this much fun for so cheap.
Great review as always. Been thinking about swapping my Trident for one of these - any thoughts?
I own the 105hp version, and the throttle is fine in rain/street modes. However on sport/track modes, it's not smooth when you start opening the throttle.
On the KTM website in Australia these bikes are not listed.
this is really good combination KTM + Chinese made = perfection. Good luck to those guys who dare to purchase this.
I read somewhere that it has a heavier flywheel or crank than the original 790. Like how they smoothed it out for the 890. Heard anything about this??
yes it has had some weight added to some of the engine internals ... thats part of the reason why it is 10kg heavier than the original model
Yep. After the 2018 790 they gave it more reciprocating mass in 2019 to prevent stalling and smoothe it out. The It's not an issue when you get used to the bike. Still have my 2018 and I love it! Wouldn't be happy with the 2023 being down 10hp..would go for 890r
@@maxwellfluckiger6829 not in 2019 .. I have a late 2019 with the original engine .. thats how it is in the UK anyways - all the original 790's that were sold here before KTM discontinued it in 2021 are the same - it's only the 2023 and onwards that have changed slightly.
@@MotoGoato OK. I thought they did it earlier. Is fine anyway when you get used to the bike I find!
@@maxwellfluckiger6829 for sure, it's no big issue .. mine cut out cruising up to junctions twice before it's first service but has done a few thousand miles since without ever doing it again.
Bob your reviews are pro mate !! absolutely top notch 👊 I do like the ktm great bikes 👍
What is your recommendation to buy for everyday riding and occasional touring between those bikes? Aprilia tuono 660 factory 11000e, ktm 790 duke 9800e and street triple 765r 10200e. Which bike will offer the best package for its price in your opinion and long term reliability?
Got my first Duke last year and have no complaints, I love kTm😁.
I have a scrambler. Never had a single issue love that bike. I would try the z900 or street triple for a more powerful bike
As with BMWs, considering a KTM has only becomes harder. While they do, indeed, perform, they also continue to have reliability problems. I'm sure there will be comments about someone's personal experience being different, the overall the stories simply haven't changed. It's purely a management/company culture problem: If the engineers can put together the kind of product people LOVE to ride, they are also capable of making a product that doesn't spend a large percentage of its time in the shop. I've passed on dozens of these two brands in the past, new and used, even knowing that a majority of the "known issues" have been rectified with upgrades or factory fixes. The problems just get worse, more expensive, and take up more ownership time with the miles. I'd MUCH rather have a Hornet or 8S and miss out on bit of that scalpel thing in place of being to just get on and ride whenever I felt like it. This consideration should always be mentioned in reviews. Just read some comments for this video.
Japan motorcycle makers just know how to make reliable bikes, and now with the Hornets new electronics additions and great price it's hard to consider a KTM unless style is your top priority
Where did you get that info about 10hp less?
I hope this bike comes in that neo-retro Husqvarna XXXpilen flavor
I second that.
So is CFM Chinese built the real bonus vs the orig 790? Better assembled than previous Austrian and Indian predecessors?
When was it built in india?
I have a Bajaj built Vitpilen. The quality and fit and finish is really good and the reliability is good, so far.
790 was never built in India .. only Austria and now China
@George Krpan me too. I got the 390 Duke v2. But 30k hard kilometres on it in a hot tropical country. Changed the oil every 3.5k, and I've not had a single issue with her.. It's an awesome fun bike.
@MotoGoat exactly. Only single cylinders were built in bahja factor , India.
Ready to Repair
Keep Taking Money...ktm stands for 😅
Keep the manual
That’s something only boring Japanese motorcycle “Fan Boi’s” say. 😂
@@VFactory-vl5fi grow up
@@Steve-motorcycles There’s not much to touch a KTM in any displacement category for fun and engagement on the road.
Cracking bike. I’ve had mine 3 years and always puts a smile on me juice
It's a tricky decision. I mean I've ridden KTM 390's on track many times (hire bikes) and they are so much fun. They cop an absolute hiding. However they don't have any of the instrument panel or lights. And because they are not yours you don't look as hard at the plastics. I've owned KTM V twins and they have been fantastic bikes to own. But I do wonder if this new breed of Katos will have more problems both electrical and mechanical. And that only going off from what I've seen on the net and heard from a local dealer.
I can see myself going the GSX8S. I don't like that it doesn't have tail lights as part of the body, and I don't like the look of the instrument panel above the headlight. It looks like a star wars character. But apart from that it sounds and looks like a solid bike. I feel for long ownership it will be a sold bike.
I really enjoy your videos but how about putting us specs on the screen like weight, seat height, etc
Is it better than the Honda Africa Twin 1100XL?
Im trying to decide on the 790 or the new 990.... Besides the price difference does anyone have any opinions or experience on both??
Ktm should make v4 engine super bikes like their powerful motogp v4 bike
The cfmoto nk800 just got released.
How are the vibrations?
I currently have a Ducati 1100 scrambler and a KTM 390 Duke which I use for commuting. Im thinking of trading in for the Duke 790 because i am nearly sixty and would like a lighter bike that retains similar performance to the Ducati. Just wondered if anyone has any thoughts or insight? I love the lightness of the 390 which has got me thinking about getting one bike for all use. What are they like on rough south east England roads?
I like it! I want a new middle weight sporty bike, and I had been considering a Hornet... but that bike will not be available until next year here in Canada. I have to go check this one out. A supermoto style and ride appeals to me - light and lively....
what is the round thing on the handlebar ?
The most expensive problem with the 790/890 LC8c engine is the cam lobe wear even on many low mileage bikes.
Is the stock footage you use at 14 secs actually a 790/890?
Interesting. Defenitely going to check this bike out, as soon as someone drops his off at the local repair shop.
Great presentation thank you.
I'm 6ft 2inch, am I too tall for the 790 Duke?, I'm really struggling to find a bike that is big enough without it being a huge machine, (adventure bikes etc), I don't want to look like a pea on a drum.
You're not. I'm 6'3 and felt right at home on top of it.
@@pasiutrial thank you, I'm going to book a test ride...
Where are the engine internals manufactured?
Hi what footwear you wearing when riding cheers
I bought a 790 Duke brand new and it was an absolute POS!!!....oil leaks, radiator hose leaks, smelled like fuel (vapor leaks from fuel tank) and electrical problems. This was all within 600 miles. I sold it for a loss and was glad to get rid of it. I have had several KTM dirtbikes, 640LC variants and they were all reliable, but that 790 motor is absolute garbage regarding reliability.
Did you ever consider you had a faulty bike right out of the box?
I really contemplated getting this bike as I found one for a pretty good price but honestly for whatever weird reason I’ve just been wanting an adventure bike so I got the Kim 390 adventure. It’s plenty fast enough for me as I don’t need to do 120 everywhere I go and I like being able to ride on shitty roads as I live in the middle of nowhere but also like being comfy riding around town or the city so it fit me pretty good and looks awesome in my opinion but I’m thinking this will prob be my next bike lol
Everything I have seen about cf moto points to them being well built and reliable , probably more so than ktm !
Can those electronic tech packs be added later after purchase?
yes
Got. Thema 890R Form 2021 just a brutal maschine
So this is kinda like when Ducati reintroduce monster 696 as 795 but made in thailand with super cheap price tag.
Has anybody had a chance to compare it with the Tuono 660?
Would love to try one!
Hmm Husky 801 looking good from the same stable.
Might as well just buy the new NK800 for cfmoto and save £1,000? What are your thoughts😁
Oh no ! Love it . Looks like a modern RD package here to me . Not mad about the china link though . Im Returning to biking after 10 years away . This or Bmw F900R ?🤷♂️
Get the BMW, for the peace of mind if nothing else
I believe the F900R is made in China too or at least the motor is made in China. That's why the relatively low price for a BMW.
@@bootross255 thanks for that input . As in reliability mechanically or back up ?
@@georgekrpan3181 thanks had no idea . Not sure why i have a issue , if no one had said i would have been none the wiser . So much stuff is Chinese these days . 🫣
Bmw has had GS twins (750-800cc etc) made in china for quite a while. Quality is not bad on them.
The video at the beginning is not even a 790. What bike was that?
790 or Hornet, or 8s? Reliability is a factor, at least in people's minds if not in reality. I have a '22 Vitpilen and the reliability is good so far. There were a lot of critics of the first gen 790. Looks like the new gen is in reality a new bike.
Why not used 890? Even better deal.
Will it make a combeack to india?
What bike is that riding on track? 690 modded?
Way punchier. Way more torque, way more planted, way better brakes. It's 690 on steroids and a bit heavier.
@@pasiutrial what is?
Its weird how the CB750 Hornet and this looks and performs similar to the Duke 790.
Its not where its built. Its the quality control
I've got a 2020 790 and it has the very worst throttle response I have ever had the misfortune to use, of any of the 30 odd bikes I've owned over the last 35 years. As in so bad it's almost unrideable. I'd like to think it was just my bike, except I also road a demo bike that was exactly the same. So what gives? Why do some people find the throttle response acceptable? I mean, it's truly diabolically awful. The absolute worst. It's a massive shame because the rest of it is really nice.
Is only a ball ache at very low speed. I just use the clutch more and doesn't bother me. And avoid Sport mode in heavy traffic.
Why havent th3y build a 790/890 RC? I dont get it
Really, just buy the older model used. The only change is them gouging you on the electronics packages that used to be included as standard.
And down 10hp on the new one.
Anyone ? Serious question. This 790 duke vs MT 07? Differences? KTM better bike?
All great but it is no longer an Austrian KTM but Chinese Cfmoto bike :(
KTM makes the hardest seats of all bikes.
They still make the 790?
Again
Sounds like KTM fixed the jerky throttle from the previous model years. lol
£6999 NOW AND 4.9% APR...I'm tempted!
I never understand how reviewers talk about seat height but never sit on the bike. Show us viewers! Let us see you tip toe, flat footing whatever the case may be
Don't like the idea of ownership then having to pay extra for the exiting parts. To me, this is ridiculous ... 😢
As someone who never had KTM, I have to ask with all these negative comments: is it really that unreliable?
I've had a SDR for 3 years. It's never missed a beat. In my experience the 'unreliable' bikes are bikes that don't get ridden much. I can't say I've had any problems.
I would say pretentious is the right word and higher service and maintenance costs.
I've got an 890r..and it's absolutely awesome..if it breaks it's got a warrantee...a lot of moaners always commenting ..are the chinese built ones any good? well time will tell, but I'm sure they're fine
@@sn00pgreen I am actually not worried about chinese built motorcycles because quality control will probably be Austrian/German
Recommend you Google some KTM owner forums, especially regarding 790/890…..
I hear the best bits about KTM are the warranty