Having to deal with this right now. I chose to become financially independent and take a risk to start creating changes in the relationship. Heal the relationship.
If one is dependent on someone for financial & physical security that's it, but don't depend on them for psychological support not for any cost that's the drawing a simple line
Inwardly inwardly very important we must look inside and when i do i see all my behaviors thoughthts. It doen not really matter how others react as long as i look at myself with honesty it is possible to take action from that place of peace all what requries is complete attention. And that is something krishnamurti would share about observing observing. Wow. I would love my family freinds co workers the world to discover it with them self even the one reading it.
The question has many implications for interactions between people who are not psychologically in sync with each other and consequently don’t relate or communicate at the same level, at the same intensity and at the same time. In other talks K regards these three criteria as necessary for proper grounding regarding relationships. Now the premise of the question, realising that there’s obviously an imbalance in the fundamental principles but nevertheless, keeping it in context to just two parties for the purpose of simplicity, the two parties are separated by their differences at a basic perspective, however they are also obligated to stay living together to some degree and within an environment that is characterised by conflict etc. So that’s a reality and a tremendous challenge for many people and the questioner is asking K what he would advise as to the optimal way to navigate through the situation without being psychologically destroyed in the process. And several comments about the video are saying that it was felt that K’s response was missing some of the aspects that viewers were looking for. Obviously, there wasn’t room to explore everything in response to the question so I don’t criticise him for the shortness of the answer. Now that doesn’t prevent the viewer who like myself are living in this kind of situation from learning about other discussions with K that also covers aspects that are relevant to the subject matter, but generally speaking the references K makes about freedom per se and total attention are both important starting points in the quest for insight. Cheers
That's really painful situation to be in. Moreover, it becomes even more painful when it becomes conditioning. Then even our personality gets distorted.
Simply put the lesser my dependence on someone or something the better, so that i dont get hurt or hurt another in the give and take human relationships, but still if i have to depend financially on someone without any choice then keep it limited to superficial material needs 😊 and remain free psychologically ❤
How should we feel? what should we do? questions, questions, there really is no fixed manual for us souls but we all know what makes us happy okay, and when we dont have that? Desire, sadness, pain, and after a long time of darkness the light bulb turns on, for the ones who kept going, pushing, and searching, maybe.
Well he does touch on attachment which is part of dependency right!!!! He talks about having a relationship, that's not responding to my/ur attachment!! Freedom which denotes love🥰
Que triste que se rian de esa pregunta...y que bueno que haya quien se pueda reir, tal vez nunca lo han tenido que enfrentar y les resulta gracioso... dificilmente somos empaticos con circunstancias que nos son desconocidas....Krishnamurti mil gracias!
Is it just me or does he seem to drift from the main point? The question was quite specific about how to deal with aggression from relatives, but he goes on to talking about dependency in a very general context. Ultimately he tells us that being free is the answer, but freedom is the answer to most everything, isn't it?
Chris Heath the question was, how does one meet aggression and psychological attack from a close relative from whom one can not escape? The question implies a living together situation to which one is dependent financially otherwise if this were not the case then you would be able to escape or not have contact with the abusive person. His point was that if you can not escape then make sure that the line drawn is superficial and not deep. In other words, do not allow the person to whom you are dependent go deep into your being or psyche to the point of disharmony. He goes further to include other forms of dependency to which you could apply the same teaching.
and yes to me this video was rather a disapointing one. He only talks about dependency as a bad thing and never mentions anything about Interdependency where people are freed by serving eachother with devotion .
@@satnam7963 JK was against following of any kind, especially of himself. He did not promise any kind of enlightenment out of his talks and was against all gurus, organized religion, spiritual practices and all systems designed to get you "there". So your comment is only your expectation, not related to reality in any way
@@ronfrown , with all the respect to JK's work which I highly appreciate the wisdom thst flows through him unto the people does bring a degree of enlightenment. In that I have to correct myself. Yet please understand that whether or not his against following or not he is still in it sharing and being listened to. Most of that laughter in the room is not coming out of anything but following a rather locally based sence of humour. I see nothing funny in HOW he redicules the questions addressed to him most of the time(I admit sometimes the questions are funny) and yet he redicules most of the and the public is still laughing. Is that not a following tendency in a shepherd and sheep relationship? And its ok to follow conciousness in my opinion.
meaning if whoever we are financially dependant on, if they want you to act a certain way, you don't and then it's their decision not to pay for you anymore. it seems there is a lot more to it. what if they actually don't pay and you become homeless, perhaps die. then that's merely their decision and not yourself causing it? seems that's where karma is needed to fill the gap
Sorry but I did not understand ks answer! Could someone explain please? Also sometimes there is no dependency financially but psychological attacks are made by people dealing with psychological issues and refuse to take medical help. Then what? Should you think about your own freedom that time? Isn't that a selfish act? I love to hear k. However it would have been nicer if he would not lead our minds into a maze ( his answers remind me of the movie MAZE RUNNER ) and would rather give direct, clear solutions.
JK is not willing to give you a clear, direct solution because that's pretty much a "how", and he wont tell you how, he wants you to investigate it yourself. The thing is that we are always influencing people to be a certain way, or to do a certain thing. We have a hidden motive, to make us happier, a hidden dependency of how people should or should not be. Thats the jackpot. Love is totally free in itself, and doesn't expect anything from anyone. It doesn't wish to influence anyone to be anything. Be aware of these motives, that always wants someone to be something else.
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Brockwood Park 1985 Q&A 2' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
How about the opposite? You are responsible, work and help and plus is abused disrespected and mistreated? The codependent don’t draw any line if they are lazy. The helper can draw the line ANYTIME. The lazy or codependent must stand up when they finish with their indecency of being weak and using other people.
rosely covali clearly you don’t know the accurate meaning of the term codependency as defined by the mental health community. Your description sounds more along the lines of sociopathic traits or something else other than codependency.
He was 90 during this meeting and lived only 6 months from then, he continued his work till very late 😢
❤ He is a great teacher of humanity.
Having to deal with this right now. I chose to become financially independent and take a risk to start creating changes in the relationship. Heal the relationship.
If one is dependent on someone for financial & physical security that's it, but don't depend on them for psychological support not for any cost that's the drawing a simple line
Inwardly inwardly very important we must look inside and when i do i see all my behaviors thoughthts. It doen not really matter how others react as long as i look at myself with honesty it is possible to take action from that place of peace all what requries is complete attention. And that is something krishnamurti would share about observing observing. Wow. I would love my family freinds co workers the world to discover it with them self even the one reading it.
very nicely said. he is so simple and so innocent
It's very pleasant to see Krishnamurti smile
Thank you guys for carrying this speaker's teachings
The question has many implications for interactions between people who are not psychologically in sync with each other and consequently don’t relate or communicate at the same level, at the same intensity and at the same time. In other talks K regards these three criteria as necessary for proper grounding regarding relationships. Now the premise of the question, realising that there’s obviously an imbalance in the fundamental principles but nevertheless, keeping it in context to just two parties for the purpose of simplicity, the two parties are separated by their differences at a basic perspective, however they are also obligated to stay living together to some degree and within an environment that is characterised by conflict etc.
So that’s a reality and a tremendous challenge for many people and the questioner is asking K what he would advise as to the optimal way to navigate through the situation without being psychologically destroyed in the process. And several comments about the video are saying that it was felt that K’s response was missing some of the aspects that viewers were looking for. Obviously, there wasn’t room to explore everything in response to the question so I don’t criticise him for the shortness of the answer. Now that doesn’t prevent the viewer who like myself are living in this kind of situation from learning about other discussions with K that also covers aspects that are relevant to the subject matter, but generally speaking the references K makes about freedom per se and total attention are both important starting points in the quest for insight. Cheers
That's really painful situation to be in. Moreover, it becomes even more painful when it becomes conditioning. Then even our personality gets distorted.
Gratitude🙏in depth!
Perfect timing.
Wow just when I needed it
Simply put the lesser my dependence on someone or something the better, so that i dont get hurt or hurt another in the give and take human relationships, but still if i have to depend financially on someone without any choice then keep it limited to superficial material needs 😊 and remain free psychologically ❤
Beautiful video 😍
How should we feel? what should we do? questions, questions, there really is no fixed manual for us souls but we all know what makes us happy okay, and when we dont have that? Desire, sadness, pain, and after a long time of darkness the light bulb turns on, for the ones who kept going, pushing, and searching, maybe.
naw good comment
Well he does touch on attachment which is part of dependency right!!!! He talks about having a relationship, that's not responding to my/ur attachment!! Freedom which denotes love🥰
Or maybe the light bulb turns "off"?. Most of us wait for the light bulb to turn off....
Que triste que se rian de esa pregunta...y que bueno que haya quien se pueda reir, tal vez nunca lo han tenido que enfrentar y les resulta gracioso... dificilmente somos empaticos con circunstancias que nos son desconocidas....Krishnamurti mil gracias!
Really, only the person in the said situation can feel the pain
It's shocking for me to see people laughing at that question.
I agree, and it shows that this crowd and the "speaker" - although highly intellectual - lacks real emotion and empathy.
@@zoltanb1221u r wrong,
speaker has empathy that's why he involved the issue of helpless old people and exploring the solution
@@zoltanb1221 Speaker doesnt lack emotion and empathy. Read his writings to fully understand instead of judging based on one video.
Deep
Matthew Robinson
indeed.
Anymore videos on this topic ?
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Is it just me or does he seem to drift from the main point? The question was quite specific about how to deal with aggression from relatives, but he goes on to talking about dependency in a very general context. Ultimately he tells us that being free is the answer, but freedom is the answer to most everything, isn't it?
you are absolutely correct. Most of the aggression come when you are dependent on someone in any way, it maybe financially, sexually etc.
Chris Heath the question was, how does one meet aggression and psychological attack from a close relative from whom one can not escape? The question implies a living together situation to which one is dependent financially otherwise if this were not the case then you would be able to escape or not have contact with the abusive person. His point was that if you can not escape then make sure that the line drawn is superficial and not deep. In other words, do not allow the person to whom you are dependent go deep into your being or psyche to the point of disharmony. He goes further to include other forms of dependency to which you could apply the same teaching.
and yes to me this video was rather a disapointing one. He only talks about dependency as a bad thing and never mentions anything about Interdependency where people are freed by serving eachother with devotion .
@@satnam7963 JK was against following of any kind, especially of himself. He did not promise any kind of enlightenment out of his talks and was against all gurus, organized religion, spiritual practices and all systems designed to get you "there". So your comment is only your expectation, not related to reality in any way
@@ronfrown , with all the respect to JK's work which I highly appreciate the wisdom thst flows through him unto the people does bring a degree of enlightenment. In that I have to correct myself.
Yet please understand that whether or not his against following or not he is still in it sharing and being listened to. Most of that laughter in the room is not coming out of anything but following a rather locally based sence of humour. I see nothing funny in HOW he redicules the questions addressed to him most of the time(I admit sometimes the questions are funny) and yet he redicules most of the and the public is still laughing.
Is that not a following tendency in a shepherd and sheep relationship?
And its ok to follow conciousness in my opinion.
" TOLERANCE " should be the proper answer .
In tolerance, there's inward resistance bro!
@@sundaramkr1295 well said mate 👌
what do you mean by this ? we can tolerate outwardly while inwardly resisting or tolerating outwardly but resisting inwardly is still problematic ?
doesnt work beyond a point
meaning if whoever we are financially dependant on, if they want you to act a certain way, you don't and then it's their decision not to pay for you anymore. it seems there is a lot more to it. what if they actually don't pay and you become homeless, perhaps die. then that's merely their decision and not yourself causing it? seems that's where karma is needed to fill the gap
Sorry but I did not understand ks answer! Could someone explain please?
Also sometimes there is no dependency financially but psychological attacks are made by people dealing with psychological issues and refuse to take medical help. Then what? Should you think about your own freedom that time? Isn't that a selfish act?
I love to hear k. However it would have been nicer if he would not lead our minds into a maze ( his answers remind me of the movie MAZE RUNNER ) and would rather give direct, clear solutions.
JK is not willing to give you a clear, direct solution because that's pretty much a "how", and he wont tell you how, he wants you to investigate it yourself.
The thing is that we are always influencing people to be a certain way, or to do a certain thing. We have a hidden motive, to make us happier, a hidden dependency of how people should or should not be.
Thats the jackpot.
Love is totally free in itself, and doesn't expect anything from anyone. It doesn't wish to influence anyone to be anything.
Be aware of these motives, that always wants someone to be something else.
@@clavarx11 thank you, you very deeply, cleverly explained a lot
Hello, where can we find the full talk please?! This one seems to end abruptly … thank you so much 🙏
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Brockwood Park 1985 Q&A 2' either directly on TH-cam or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
@@KFoundation thank you!
@@KFoundation thank you so much! 🙏
Why is it that this has so little views and a Video of a Cat has Millions of Views?
Where is the end of his answer? It looks like it wasn’t all that he said
How about the opposite? You are responsible, work and help and plus is abused disrespected and mistreated?
The codependent don’t draw any line if they are lazy.
The helper can draw the line ANYTIME.
The lazy or codependent must stand up when they finish with their indecency of being weak and using other people.
rosely covali clearly you don’t know the accurate meaning of the term codependency as defined by the mental health community. Your description sounds more along the lines of sociopathic traits or something else other than codependency.
Ah I see. The evil energy have found this corner of the internet. Scary!