It's true, intersex people should not be confused with people after gender transition; it's simple to me though - if I were in the place of that intersex boxers I wouldn't take part in women's boxing knowing of my advantage over them; but that's just me; btw, Francis Aaron will rap to you about that real problem, the ultimate goal of the genderqueer clergy, I recommend the song, on YT.
LGBT is illegal in Algeria so that should be the real story. Doping is one thing & a country violating its own culture/beliefs to win should be the headlines
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I guess you've never heard of folks that are born both male and female huh! Educate yourself before typing please!
Except; Imane, just like Caster Semenya, is an intersex female with DSD (differences in sexual development). Unlike trans people (who are born male and transition) Imane is intersex. She was born with both female and male parts. I agree that biologically Caster and Imane are not women and should not compete with women, but to lump them together with trans people is unfair as they did not CHOOSE to be intersex. She and caster were assigned female at birth as they have female ganatalia, but genetic testing shows that they have XY chromosomes as well. Google female 46XY DSD to understand their condition. Trans people CHOSE to change their gender, but intersex people usually don't even know they are intersex, Caster Semenya found out while the Olympic committee investigated her suspecting she was a man and she was cleared to compete after they did physical exams; it was when they did genetic testing that they found XY chromosomes, elevated testosterone and internal testes that they discovered she is intersex with 46XY DSD. They banned her from competing because she refused to take injections to lower her naturally high testosterone. Imane Khelif is the same. I wish people would not compare this with transgender athletes as intersex people were literally BORN that way. Yes they should have a seperate category, but the hate is unnecessary
You are stupid ! You are satanic ! Imane is born femelle she is a women with hyperandrogenie she produce excessive testosterone ! She is not trans or man ! You understand ? Stop 🛑 to be stupid ! There is lot of pictures Imane Little girl in web
It's true, intersex people should not be confused with people after gender transition; it's simple to me though - if I were in the place of that intersex boxers I wouldn't take part in women's boxing knowing of my advantage over them; but that's just me; btw, Francis Aaron will rap to you about that real problem, the ultimate goal of the genderqueer clergy, I recommend the song, on YT.
many people are making their minds based on commentaries rather that fact and knowledge ... imane , the algerian boxer is a female ... she has female genitalea with uterus and fallopian tube ... she has is called swyer syndrome ... her physical characteristics is that of female ... and she is no transgender ... freak of nature ... yes ... like those growing extraordinarily tall (good for basketball and volleyball) ... i stand with the algerian boxer ... for me , she is a legit female ... despite having XY chromosomes ...
she was just lazy. how do you expect light punches in a real match. She fought a biologically female. You can't be trans in algeria. its not the Us Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes.
Childhood photos mean nothing! I was a tomboy and was mistaken for a boy up until my late teens. But guess what? I grew up, and my XX chromosones took over. The two DSDs are adults who look 100% male, have XY chromosomes, and way more testosterone than the average biological woman. I say that if the new gender testing guidelines are what's written on your passport, I want Joe Rogan to compete in women"s boxing. He can just change his gender on his passport, wear lipstick, and drop the "e" off his first name, and we're good to go!😅
@@LarryBoivin-wk1wz you clearly do not watch combat sports at any level if that's your evidence that she is a man lmao the Italian lady never even claimed she was a man. She's trying to apologize for all of the hate she is receiving on her behalf. She got owned. You can't lose 9 times and say you have this superhuman advantage lmao. People can't lose gracefully anymore without thinking there is this conspiracy theory at play 🤣🤣
@Kxrma_09 if he's got some moral ethics (sounds like he doesn't), an experienced boxer like himsefl would point that out before stepping into the ring. Nope, he just wants an excuse to beat tf out of women
@@Scrunchie_777 and if you had moral ethics, you'd stop sounding like you have no idea for how biology works and focus on what works for you like talking about immigration or something, which still, the nuances escape you, but at least you're not targeting one person because you do not know how to place your misguided hate for another human being based on your simplistic view of how sex works in the human context🤣🤣 be dumb in silence
@@noneofyourbusiness73lmfao you idiot. she’s intersex. she has female genitalia and can give birth. she’s competed in female categories her whole life. you literally couldn’t do a shred of research.
@@azuravian why ask about that why not ask about the naked man painted in blue or the gays/trans insulting all the christian of the world on live tv by acting like they are jesus ???
@@janmajer4662 I honestly don't. I assume maybe he's still under the belief that one scene was anti Christian, but that is obviously not true, so still believing that would be idiotic. I don't know anything else it could be. Didn't want to just assume he's an idiot.
If a person have chromosomes that ONLY MEN have then they should compete with men - that simple. It doesn't matter secondary sex traits as penis or vagina and such, those a person can choose and change, but DNA is still what shows the gender beyond any doubt.
She met the IOC requirement which means her testosterone has been below 2.5nmol/L for at least 24 months. The information from the IBA says they did not use a testosterone test, but another test and they will not reveal what that test was. The only information we have currently on T levels for Khelif is that the IOC says she met their requirements.
You can't use T levels. It leads to the exclusion of perfectly legit females. There is no evidence Imane is XY. Just an article on a Russian media known to propagate nonsense. She could be XX, no one knows and the olympic comitee refuse to sort people with chromosomal testing. Instead they determine if someone is a 'proper' male and 'non male' are put in female category. Incredibly misogynistic and disgusting... I feel for Imane, as far as we know she could be fully female and bullied for basically being ugly. Would not be the first time...
@@azuravianDoesn’t matter how much testosterone she has. Her XY chromosomes means she has higher bone density, more muscle, and higher lung capacity than biological females with XX.
@@bryanl134 Lmao Wemby is already a male. physical advantages between males are not the same as advantages a male has over a female. Men have higher capacity for muscle growth so any man who has a physical disadvantage over another man can just diet and do cardio and strength train. Genetics plays a part too but most women cannot train to be physically as strong as the strongest man so stop the nonsense.
i am really sorry for this girl cause after all your work and after winning you see sick people They accuse you and question your life it is soo sick i am sure I am sure that if she had not been an Algerian Arab, all this mockery would not have happened. Take it, or leave it.
These Olympics is a woke shitshow, which makes it a travesty for women's events. The Olympics has always been a racket, but this one has evolved to the level of evil.
No Olympics have always been the greatest stage for sports your alt right wing trump worshipping and modi loving degenerate mind can never comprehend what sports means cause fat a*** never moves an inch from the couch. Loser
For all the comments I would just like to remind everyone that Imane is a person as well, with feelings just like the rest of us. Imagine how she is feeling today? She was cleared to compete by the IOC so any criticism should be directed at them. That being said it didn’t look fair to me.
Imane has xy male chromosome……. Seriously you are delusional and part of the problem we need to stop these silly games of enabling gender BS before someone gets hurt. He can be anyone he wants to be, he call himself a she identify as a rabbit for all l care but not at the expense of genetic advantage in female sport. I have a right to an opinion just like he has a right to believe anything he wants to be enough of woke and cancel culture BS!
Or even betterThink about what Angel carine is thinking ans going through, she worked her ass off to get to where she was for her country, to then have to drop out because of safety, against a fighter who Because of body advantages most likely had an easy path to get to the Olympics in the first place and she had the IOC screw her over making her fight he she 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It's plain to see that if this boxer was born as XY "female", this match shows that XY should not compete with XX, regardless of whether XY was classified as "female" at birth, or "identified" as "female" later.
@@hml25 Not male against female. According to a doctor this person has an inverted penis making it appear female. There are also testes inside which provide an advantage over women due to going through male puberty. Added to that XY chromosomes mean MALE
We admire all sorts of male athletes that have genetic mutations that allow them to compete at the highest level. Why is it an issue when a woman has an advantage? And why only this particular issue?
Because it is NOT a woman. It has XY chromosomes and is exactly as you described it - a male with some genetic mutation. It can go and compete with other males as much as it wants.
XY= Male XX= Female He is an XY individual born with a genetic anomaly that affects the development of his sexual organs, that doesn't turn him into a biological woman, specially if he went through all the process of development in puberty, with the testosterone levels of a male. It is unfair and dangerous for women athletes to allow this individual to fight against women in boxing.
@@СилвияБрянова *_"Because it is NOT a woman. It has XY chromosomes and is exactly as you described it"_* It? You are disgusting to refer to a person as it, disgusting. She was born with female genitalia, lived a life as a woman, and if the IOC gives her the right to compete, that give you the right to call her "it"?
@ohbebe *_"Clearly he was born intersex and they chose to raise him as a girl, but they made the wrong choice"_* He? She won born with female genitalia, has been a woman her whole life, get over it.
Men have DSDs too and Khelif could easily be a man with DSDs. What are Khelif's genetics? What is Khelif's internal reproductive structure? Those are the two essential questions.
What everyone saying that they go through puberty and one gender gets dominate... i dong see adams apple or breasts... like being a female myself i have seen girls with very flat chest but this person's another level flat... plus wearing such looose boxer shorts doesnt allow revealing any male genetilia so all really confusing. As someone else said if she was 100% female with ovaries and chromosomes why did they let rumor go on and not just did a test to show world
I understand the concern but I really don't think Algeria of all places would send a trans athlete to represent them in the Olympics. Realistically Imane probably has an intersex condition if the "XY Chromosome" report is actually credible, otherwise the elevated testosterone levels are likely caused by another hormonal disorder such as PCOS for example.
I’m even more ashamed of seeing such type of reporting on an Indian news channel. Indian athletes like Dutee Chand and Santhi Soundarajan have been unfairly banned from competing due to similar vague gender testing procedures. Both athletes come from simple and poorer backgrounds that chose athletics as a career to get ahead in life. Soundarajan was unfairly stripped of her silver medal from 2006 Asian Games over a questionable gender test.
It's really unfair the harassment she suffered, comes from a very poor family she sold bread on the sidewalk scrap and plastic to be able to pay for her travel from her village to the boxing gym in the city, and still a small city and the boxing gym is rudimentary for a third world country.
@BARELD How is he producing high levels of testosterone without the “grapes”…testes? People are not taught basic biology anymore and they are easily fooled. 😢
How? The French are the best protester and rioter the world knows of. If they can’t do it whilst Olympic at their home country, than sorry but no one stop Olympic
many people are making their minds based on commentaries rather that fact and knowledge ... imane , the algerian boxer is a female ... she has female genitalea with uterus and fallopian tube ... she has is called swyer syndrome ... her physical characteristics is that of female ... and she is no transgender ... freak of nature ... yes ... like those growing extraordinarily tall (good for basketball and volleyball) ... i stand with the algerian boxer ... for me , she is a legit female ... despite having XY chromosomes ...
She is a female with all features and biology of female. She has genetic anomaly of intersex person in domain of chromosome that gives her abnormal testosterone level. This situation isn't about trans debate it's about cowards in IOC that unable to draw definitive lines in protection of fairness.
So, you are of the belief that the definition of male includes the following phrase (or something similar): "Human males can have either a penis or a vagina... it kinda depends."?
@@azuravianXY chromosomes. And don’t give me the bullshit answer that some people have XXY chromosomes. While yes this can happen, Y means male. No female has a Y chromosome.
Elevated levels of testosterone can also be present in PCOS, which affects individuals assigned female at birth. I’m not saying that she has this condition though, it seems more like Swyer syndrome, though this has never been disclosed to my knowledge.
XY chromosomes in a simple blood test prove they are male. Gender reassignment surgery cannot alter that. Aberrations- natural hermaphrodites with XY chromosomes are scientifically male, even though their body parts have developed abnormally due to Swyer syndrome. Gay Pride needs to organise separate events for the 'Other' category because they are destroying women's sport for competitors and spectators alike.
This literally has nothing to do with transgender, she's a biological woman with a hormonal imbalance, it's called DSD, do a bit of research so you don't sound stupid
this is what called ( talent ) messi got the fastest reflexes and this is why he is the best in the world to be NBA player you should be tall and this is what called talent
@jeckto No this is called not being a clearly defined female. She is neither male nor female, she is in between. In between people should not be allowed to compete in the female class since they don't have all the characteristics of a female and in fact have many characteristics of a male. This doesn't mean they can't compete, they just have to do it in the open class where they will learn that they indeed do NOT have any talent lolj
If the Y chromosome is present, then the genetics are male regardless of the organ that develops. Additionally in cases of swyers I thought that hormones were not produced naturally as a result of no testes or ovaries, so where did the elevated levels of testosterone come from?
Actually not true. I read a medical study where women born with xy chromosome actually don’t have androgen receptors like males born with xy. So it’s not as black and white as you want to present it.
it is female boxing not XX boxing in the end if she got a little bit talent ( yes a little bit she is not that strong she lost 9 times) then there is no problem americans think algerians are disguisting like them '( we dont have those things called ''transgender.gay.lesbien . lgbtq)" ppl bullying a poor women for being good sucks i hope she won in the end
@@gravitatemortuus1080 to get the body structure Khelif has, there had to have been years of testosterone building up that tissue to the degree it is; Khelif's gait, movement, everything looks extremely male. I was watching Britney Griner's (haven't seen anyone mention her but you watch, now that I've mentioned, it'll be all OVER the place, lol), anyway Brittany looked actually very feminine and pretty when she was a teen. Tall and gangly but recognizably feminine. After a few years, her face started taking on a very manly appearance as if she started taking testosterone. I don't think any condition can cause something like that to occur that long after puberty, that suddenly gives a woman a very male appearance. Whatever is causing these issues, those women need a class of their own. If a pitbull gets into a fight with a dalmation, most people agree that is a mismatched fight. This is obviously a mismatched competition as well and the Olympics better get their sht together.
@@nicki_akai well she is not a super hero she lost before against many fighters and even the Italian girl who played against her last time didn't complain about her beating like male
It is quite possible that she is intersex. Born and identified as female but with Y chromosome. This does not seem to be part of the trans debate, although closely related.
Definitely not the same… cut the bs. Brittney Griner is a WOMAN (born female) and is still a WOMAN no matter what her lifestyle choices are. Very poor analogy on your behalf
so men can be pregnant and give birth then,She is a biological woman/female with a condition that makes her have the testerone levels that of male,she has a vagina,ovaries,uterus all that and is female,so wtf you yapping about?she has sawyer syndrome,according to you men can get pregnant then right?no,she is a biological female not male nor trans,according to your logic men can have babies then?you're clearly uneducated on the matter of chromosomes and how they don't exactly indicate sex,she's a she not her nor trans
Not all women are fertile (neither are all men). She has a vagina (and has from the moment of birth). She also met the IOC requirements for testosterone levels in female boxers, which is very strict.
Possibly has Swyer Syndrome in which born with female reproductive organs, but with XY chromosomes. The question I believe at this point is since identified as female at birth was hormone replacement therapy used at all prior to puberty. If hormone replacement used would have developed breasts and uterus. This costs money and there are no large breasts evident, so the XY and testosterone not held in check, so essentially matured as male. Giving unfair advantage in women’s boxing.
She (we don't know) is a mediocre boxer. No win by KO ever, nothing impressive about her being skill or power. The other one happens to be even worse. Second time she does this.
The ignorance around this subject and this poor woman is so sad. As a doctor, your chromosomes are not the only thing that defines your biological sex. She is likely a female XY, with female organs but no or non-functioning ovaries so did not go through puberty. She does not have the body mass and composition of a man, nor does she have secondary female characteristics like breasts and a menstrual cycle. This does not mean she is not a female.
She is from a Muslim country that heavily rejects multicoloured ideas to it core and have strict laws against it, so she was born female and therefore she was raised as such
In this case they matter. Kalife is from a Muslim country. No o LGBT rights in Algeria. Homosexuality is illegal there and punishable by prison time. As a nation lgbt is not upported there. Makes it hard to believe they sent a transcript woman to box bio women. I think they're either a hermaphrodite or just a masculine woman.
Brother are you stupid!? Back in those days there was no such thing as gender transitions!! The medicine was not even created yet for that stuff!! This shit barely started in 2014 and on
The IOC is known for having the toughest drug testing program of all sports and yet they solely base their player sex screening on what is written on the athlete's passport.
This is false. The IOCs latest requirements are set for each sport, so the IOC at the top level doesn't test for anything, but the individual sports bodies working with the IOC do. For women's boxing, it requires a T-level of
what is disgusting is allowing a male to compete in womens sports. and for him to use his supposed deformity as an advantage. No one is disgusted with him simply due to his deformity. but his abusing it for personal gain is disgusting.
Video mentions she showed regrets after losing, but left out the part where she has gone on record having no ill will towards her opponent and wished her well.
when this boxer was born I suspect their gender was in question but they raised her as a girl , however given the amount of testosterone and the XY chromosomes , that may have been a mistake becasue they have XY the are fundamentally male , of course the culture in algeria would never have accepted this child as intersex
This controversy has a pre planned feel to it. If this one was born as XY "female", this match shows that XY should not compete with XX, regardless of how classified at birth.
@@ekitiibwalife7921 Any boxer should be prepared enough to not drop their guard. However, we don't know what her Chromosomes are, but if they are XY, that still doesn't mean male. Your elementary understanding of genetics is obvious, though.
Exactly lots of women athletes..,be looking like dude looks like a lady. Lol That Italian one was looking questionable as well, just because she has a smaller physique means nothing. Since people want to talk…let’s talk about it all, not just one.
The XY chromosomes are the problem. The huge amount of naturally flowing testosterone is the problem. The fact that a man can hit 60% harder than a female and can kill her with one punch is the problem. The fact that they are sending the message that Taiwanese and Algerian women suck so bad at boxing that they choose to send their XY males instead who have DSD so their junk is missing and pass them off as chick's is a problem. They aren't dominating women's boxing. They're humiliating themselves and their countries by advertising that they have NO GOOD FEMALE BOXERS in either country. Nobody asks themselves why the IOC refuses to reveal what the gender test was that they used last year but won't use at the Olympics. Those guys refused the buccal swab test. That test gathers epithelial cells that have DNA that contains chromosomes, which are either XX or XY. It's the "Y" that makes the difference. Even a person who is XXY presents as male. I've met one at a TS meeting back in 2005. No matter what delusional things people are saying, biology is what it is, and this Olympics will go down in history as a joke. I still remember the endless East Germany jokes back when I was a little kid. East Germany was pumping androgens into their female athletes and didn't tell them. Of course, they ended up dying from cancers because that's what happens when you mess with hormones. What better way to cheat than to find males with DSD so their junk isn't developed and pass them off as biological women by allowing them to refuse the chromosomal test? My biology teachers are probably all having strokes about now. Some of us went to college and studied human anatomy and biology. The same people who are dismissing science seem to be the same m0r0ns who believed in 2021 that ivermectin was only used in veterinary medicine. I wonder why the W.H.O. has a statue erected in the honor of ivermectin at their main headquarters, and why it won a Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2014? They must REALLY love horses! 🤣🤣🤣 Mysogeny has reached its zenith.
@@terryfrit3749Nope. If they have DSD, they have under or undeveloped male genitalia. Sometimes, if they present as female at birth, they'll do a little extra surgery to drive the point home, but the XY chromosomes and high testosterone remain. The chromosome test was what those two dudes refused. That was the test that got them disqualified last year. When you've got a "Y," you're a "guy."
she is a women and if you ask her if she support LGBT she will say no and will tell you that a women is a human born with pussy and a man have a dick u want to make everyone disguisting like you even the italian boxer gave an apology after she relized that she is a real women
@@jecktoThe real response! People just believe everything that's fed to them without being assed to do any real research on the matter, quick to jump in on a train of ignorance and hatred... To think with all our advancements until now, in 2024 people are still going to bash a woman for not fitting into their boxes, with what seems like defamation due to the claims that she's a male. Until actual, official papers showing the study are public, I'm going to believe Imane is a female.
Bruh she is a woman she's been defeated by 9 other woman in her career, m pretty sure it's not her fault nd it just that the italian woman is so weak that she couldn't even bare with two boxes nd started crying, Nd u can see her childhood photos she's a WOMAN , yall are yapping about it just because she's not pretty nd she's not European , shame on u people
so men can be pregnant and give birth then,She is a biological woman/female with a condition that makes her have the testerone levels that of male,she has a vagina,ovaries,uterus all that and is female,so wtf you yapping about?she has sawyer syndrome,according to you men can get pregnant then right?no,she is a biological female not male nor trans,according to your logic men can have babies then?you're clearly uneducated on the matter of chromosomes and how they don't exactly indicate sex,she's not transgender at all and speaking of irrelevant matters,Algeria does not even allow transitioning as it is illegal,she is a biological female with swyer syndrome,not transgender this is basic information,don't speak so confidently of what you don't know as you are wrong,dummy
These are the worst olympics ever , athletes are losing golds by hundredth of seconds , water sailing stopped twice , bicycles having sudden punctures , only athletes that are in the lead , have this happen , gymnasts are falling off their appliances , never known before for so many , total mess up
Why do you keep referring to him as she? Recall his DNA teste please. If anything the fact that he used to wear girl's clothes (as you say) only vows for how trained he his in pretending.
It's obviously a sham for the organization that lets a man compete against a woman, but she should have not quit, because still she had a chance to win.
@@kite6864 It's hard to say. Swyer syndrome is just one form of DSD and I don't think we know definitively if either of them have that specific form or not. As far as DSD in general, estimates are anywhere from 1 in 5000 to as frequent as 1 in 50. The problem with estimating is that many people will never really have any test done that lets them know. Often, a person finds out they have DSD due to something else, such as assessing fertility. About half of the population of the US has no intention of having children, so any DSD people in that population might not ever know.
XY chromosomes in a simple blood test prove they are male. Gender reassignment surgery cannot alter that. Aberrations- natural hermaphrodites with XY chromosomes are scientifically male, even though their body parts have developed abnormally. Gay Pride needs to organise separate events for the 'Other' category because they are destroying women's sport for competitors and spectators alike.
All are lies and false justifications . If these Chromosomes test gave XY , then they are men+ the testosterone test is high. They can’t no fight with women.
So, we are supposed to feel sorry for him because he had a hard childhood? Well welcome to the world most people if you let them tell their stories have had rough childhoods. That doesn't mean that you change the rules. The Olympic games have always been men against men and women against women. If he wants to box, then he should box men. All of these so-called woke people need to go back to sleep, wake up and try again.
This situation isn't about male in women sports at all. You totally miss the point. It's a female with genetic anomaly that gives her abnormal level of testosterone. It's isn't a dude trying to pass as a woman.
@@azuravian He is genetically a man his chromosomes are xy therefore he is genetically a man. he didn't undergo female puberty either. He should not be boxing women. Maybe the Olympics should hold an Olympic game for woke people and they can play together. It's not fair to the quote unquote normal people to have to play against him. They don't let just anyone into the special Olympics do they. My husband is a scientist with a degree in science and child counseling from Jons Hopkins University so just don't try to tell me anything to make me agree with you. Look at him he is more disposed to be a man, and you did the pronoun he, so that says it right there he is a man and should not be boxing women.
@ThatoRadebe-c6n how come then she had two kids with her wife😂😂it don't make sense. These individuals might be both female and male maybe! But def not female
I guess the person could have both genitalia? It does happen in some instances. It’s sad but I don’t know why he/she’d be allowed to fight against females.
I have quit watching all Olympics and will not ever watch until fairness returns to the sport and true biological males and females are restored and that's probably never because the world is getting sicker and sicker. It is not a competition it's a slaughter.
All the girls had to withdraw from the competition before the fights, and they had to give it to these two half-testers so that they could take the gold, silver and bronze.
I think all the female boxing athletes should boycott this event. It is disrespectful to the female boxers who had worked so hard over the years to fulfil their dreams but were not treated equally.
@@chichiboypumpi She is not trans. She is actually physically female. It's a condition where the chromosomes are XY but the body is female with some physical advantages. It's a grey area. Algeria would never allow a male in a female sport. I should know. I'm Algerian. But do believe there should a clear law on this matter.
Sup, YY is non viable, but if you wanna watch dead fetuses fight go ahead. Y'all don't know nothing about chromosomes, learn a term then run with it. Imane MAY have a condition (unproven) but she's a biological woman (proven).
Imane Khelif lost 9 matches against women.... just saying. Unlike you those 9 women don't talk nonsense, and just beat her up. She was born with a vagina, therefor she's a woman. Should we now also have black only competitions, since in many sports they have a clear advantage? You're a freak...
Childhood photo doesn't mean anything. Now we are talking about DSD and possibly he was born with internal testicles. He wouldn't have known until puberty
Without even looking too far, she was born 25 years ago, before the emergence of wokeism, in a closed and conservative country where it is illegal to change gender or be homosexual, etc. (the same kinds of countries that Westerners keep pointing out for their intolerance, etc.). Anyway, born 25 years ago in this country, the doctor at the time, and even today, would never have taken the slightest risk of declaring her sex as female on the birth certificate. Besides, even today, in the most woke country in the world, apart from a psychopath, I don't see why a doctor would declare the opposite sex at birth.
XY males with DSD are born with external female or ambiguous genitalia, and they are assumed to be girls and are raised as such. However, they lack ovaries and instead have internal testes which produce male levels of testosterone at puberty, which leads to the masculine appearance we see here, and as we saw with Caster Semenya. Even though they have female appearing genitalia, they are actually males who, through a sad accident of nature, failed to develop males genitalia in utero. In more advanced countries, this is often detected early, but in less advanced parts of the world, the first thing that rouses suspicion is failure to menstruate. Of course they should be allowed to compete, but it should not be against actual females.
Probably to save her life she gave up, because she knows that a woman should not be fighting against a man - or a woman with hormones the equivalent of a man. It’s just too dangerous. If she was fighting against an equal, she wouldn’t have given up. But she was fighting against someone who was not her equal, so it was an unfair fight.
That is because a male boxer punches so much stronger and harder that she felt that it was not going to end well for her. In physical sports the difference is huge. One or two punches and she knew enough.
@@storybellz *_Probably to save her life she gave up"_* No, because she's a weakling, unlike the 9 women who boxed against Imane Khelif and actually won.
@@MichaelDomer as I said, they were probably closer to the right size and weight to compete, whereas this woman wasn’t and they weren’t in equal stats. There are lots of things to consider here. But saying that an Olympic contestant is a weakling is laughable.
I got a feeling I'm gonna laugh very much when this situation is solved... Ignorance is not always bliss, if it brings hate comments and death threats to a person who's seemingly been framed at a quite convenient (dare I say, suspiciously) time, even if she's been competing for years and lost to female boxers before. We could use some critical thinking but that might be a step too high for those who refuse to educate themselves on the matter at hand...
If she is born female she must really compete in an all out female contest..if she excells and dominating in her form..well, she will be one of the greatest boxer the female gender will be celebrating
😮 You can see very well he adjust his " pns " inside the red short. Woman compete with woman... Man compete with man... Transgender compete with transgender..... I feel sorry for Angela but in same time proud of her courage to show the unfair competition. .
international boxe league stated he is male due dna test but even if she is a dsd, her body is grown up in a sea of testosterone and probably is more male than you so she should go to parolimpics, not there... otherwise next time i bring a basket team with only gigantism players..
@@markw8825 so you are saying men can give birth. very progressive of you. I know you are actually an idiot but maybe google Swyer syndrome. It'll blow you smooth brain to mars.
People check on weight to make it fair….why not extra hormones? That’s unfair too physically. Since it’s a world class fight, every examinations has to be done throughly by different certified doctors.
The Olympic committee representative attested himself that Imene was born females enough racism if this was a Western female boxer no one would bat an eye 🥇 💪 ❤ 🇩🇿
France olympics have been the worst in history. Shame.
Shes from Algeria.... Its They would kill her if she was a male trans women. its illegal to be LGBQT in ALGERIA!!!!!!!!!
Iman lost to 9 women in her career, so she is not super human or anything
Klar! Am Anfang ihrer Karriere!
It's true, intersex people should not be confused with people after gender transition;
it's simple to me though - if I were in the place of that intersex boxers I wouldn't take part in women's boxing knowing of my advantage over them;
but that's just me;
btw, Francis Aaron will rap to you about that real problem, the ultimate goal of the genderqueer clergy, I recommend the song, on YT.
I bet you would as well.
LGBT is illegal in Algeria so that should be the real story. Doping is one thing & a country violating its own culture/beliefs to win should be the headlines
I guess you've never heard of folks that are born both male and female huh! Educate yourself before typing please!
I think she is a girl , with high level of testosterone
She is not lgbt community she birth with (DSD) Disorders of sex development
Except; Imane, just like Caster Semenya, is an intersex female with DSD (differences in sexual development). Unlike trans people (who are born male and transition) Imane is intersex. She was born with both female and male parts. I agree that biologically Caster and Imane are not women and should not compete with women, but to lump them together with trans people is unfair as they did not CHOOSE to be intersex. She and caster were assigned female at birth as they have female ganatalia, but genetic testing shows that they have XY chromosomes as well. Google female 46XY DSD to understand their condition. Trans people CHOSE to change their gender, but intersex people usually don't even know they are intersex, Caster Semenya found out while the Olympic committee investigated her suspecting she was a man and she was cleared to compete after they did physical exams; it was when they did genetic testing that they found XY chromosomes, elevated testosterone and internal testes that they discovered she is intersex with 46XY DSD. They banned her from competing because she refused to take injections to lower her naturally high testosterone. Imane Khelif is the same. I wish people would not compare this with transgender athletes as intersex people were literally BORN that way. Yes they should have a seperate category, but the hate is unnecessary
You are stupid ! You are satanic ! Imane is born femelle she is a women with hyperandrogenie she produce excessive testosterone ! She is not trans or man ! You understand ? Stop 🛑 to be stupid ! There is lot of pictures Imane Little girl in web
It is very easy to determine whether someone is a man or not. Let's have the real medical evidence from at least three independent doctors.
It's true, intersex people should not be confused with people after gender transition;
it's simple to me though - if I were in the place of that intersex boxers I wouldn't take part in women's boxing knowing of my advantage over them;
but that's just me;
btw, Francis Aaron will rap to you about that real problem, the ultimate goal of the genderqueer clergy, I recommend the song, on YT.
This year's Olympics really suck 😮😮😮
From other p.o.v. , they're just fine 🤣
The IOC & Olympic Games lost its credibility during 1972 Munich Summer. 2024 = Woke Olympic Games. 🇺🇸🇳🇮
Maybe for you who only watch 1 or 2 sports out of it but even w/ Boxing, its been very entertaining for the men with no headgear
I say that every time, but it sank really low this year.
many people are making their minds based on commentaries rather that fact and knowledge ... imane , the algerian boxer is a female ... she has female genitalea with uterus and fallopian tube ... she has is called swyer syndrome ... her physical characteristics is that of female ... and she is no transgender ... freak of nature ... yes ... like those growing extraordinarily tall (good for basketball and volleyball) ... i stand with the algerian boxer ... for me , she is a legit female ... despite having XY chromosomes ...
Now, the Italian boxer is forced to apologize by the IOC. This Olympic is a real freak show.
Drama queen need to apologise because she destroy a girl winner girl by calling her a man
she was just lazy. how do you expect light punches in a real match. She fought a biologically female. You can't be trans in algeria. its not the Us
Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes.
@@mandibarcena6667 how embarrassing when you made a mistake and apologize.
Nope, the freaks are the ones who tell a woman like Imane Khelif that she can't compete in a women's event.
@@HSPCR7 😂😂
Childhood photos mean nothing! I was a tomboy and was mistaken for a boy up until my late teens. But guess what? I grew up, and my XX chromosones took over. The two DSDs are adults who look 100% male, have XY chromosomes, and way more testosterone than the average biological woman. I say that if the new gender testing guidelines are what's written on your passport, I want Joe Rogan to compete in women"s boxing. He can just change his gender on his passport, wear lipstick, and drop the "e" off his first name, and we're good to go!😅
They don't look like they are in the same weight class.
are u serious rn?
@@LarryBoivin-wk1wz you clearly do not watch combat sports at any level if that's your evidence that she is a man lmao the Italian lady never even claimed she was a man. She's trying to apologize for all of the hate she is receiving on her behalf. She got owned. You can't lose 9 times and say you have this superhuman advantage lmao. People can't lose gracefully anymore without thinking there is this conspiracy theory at play 🤣🤣
It should be the Olympic's fault not her.
@Kxrma_09 if he's got some moral ethics (sounds like he doesn't), an experienced boxer like himsefl would point that out before stepping into the ring. Nope, he just wants an excuse to beat tf out of women
@@Scrunchie_777 and if you had moral ethics, you'd stop sounding like you have no idea for how biology works and focus on what works for you like talking about immigration or something, which still, the nuances escape you, but at least you're not targeting one person because you do not know how to place your misguided hate for another human being based on your simplistic view of how sex works in the human context🤣🤣 be dumb in silence
Disgusting they way real female athletes are treated.
disgusting thing only bcz modern LGBTQ shit😂😂😂god made only 2 genders men & women, but todays science are more like shit
Yes exactly, its disgusting the way imane khelif is being treated.
@@airule2648real
@@airule2648 he has XY chromosome and is therefore a male
@@noneofyourbusiness73lmfao you idiot. she’s intersex. she has female genitalia and can give birth. she’s competed in female categories her whole life. you literally couldn’t do a shred of research.
THE WORST OLYMPIC 2024
After Iman is crowned with the gold medal, we will talk about the new rules. This way, we will be fair to everyone.😊
@@Majou-f8ewasn't she at the last Olympics too ? France Olympics isn't doing anything out of the ordinary
If she is from US or Europe, every one will see it normal
Why would they do that? That’s not true.
True
Indeed, i see it normal 😛😊☺😉
@@neytiritetskahamoatite7688 Junkies are seen as normal in the US & much of W. Europe, but that doesn’t make them normal.
Hell no we won't!!!! Check its dna xy or xx
From the opening ceremony already shown their dark side
What dark side was shown in the opening ceremony? Celine Dion, Gojira???
@@azuravian You know too damn well what is he talking about.
@@azuravian why ask about that why not ask about the naked man painted in blue or the gays/trans insulting all the christian of the world on live tv by acting like they are jesus ???
@@azuravianall the above. Check out Celine’s children clothing brand.
@@janmajer4662 I honestly don't. I assume maybe he's still under the belief that one scene was anti Christian, but that is obviously not true, so still believing that would be idiotic. I don't know anything else it could be. Didn't want to just assume he's an idiot.
If a person have chromosomes that ONLY MEN have then they should compete with men - that simple. It doesn't matter secondary sex traits as penis or vagina and such, those a person can choose and change, but DNA is still what shows the gender beyond any doubt.
Dye
@@ninjadanoite1560 What colour :) LULZ
The boxer is most likely intersex.
However their xy chromsome level and high testosterone reading suggest they have an unfair physical advantage.
She met the IOC requirement which means her testosterone has been below 2.5nmol/L for at least 24 months. The information from the IBA says they did not use a testosterone test, but another test and they will not reveal what that test was. The only information we have currently on T levels for Khelif is that the IOC says she met their requirements.
You can't use T levels. It leads to the exclusion of perfectly legit females. There is no evidence Imane is XY. Just an article on a Russian media known to propagate nonsense. She could be XX, no one knows and the olympic comitee refuse to sort people with chromosomal testing. Instead they determine if someone is a 'proper' male and 'non male' are put in female category. Incredibly misogynistic and disgusting... I feel for Imane, as far as we know she could be fully female and bullied for basically being ugly. Would not be the first time...
@@azuravianDoesn’t matter how much testosterone she has. Her XY chromosomes means she has higher bone density, more muscle, and higher lung capacity than biological females with XX.
Kind of like Wembanyama's physical advantage he was born with?
@@bryanl134 Lmao Wemby is already a male. physical advantages between males are not the same as advantages a male has over a female. Men have higher capacity for muscle growth so any man who has a physical disadvantage over another man can just diet and do cardio and strength train. Genetics plays a part too but most women cannot train to be physically as strong as the strongest man so stop the nonsense.
i am really sorry for this girl cause after all your work and after winning you see sick people They accuse you and question your life it is soo sick i am sure I am sure that if she had not been an Algerian Arab, all this mockery would not have happened. Take it, or leave it.
I'm not Algerian and still support this woman.... yes, WOMAN.
XY = Male
XX = Female
So if there is controversy, why not just give a sample and quit leaving room for all this
Speculation?
@@ladaniaroberson3297morra
DARVO - sorry, no.
Too many ignoramus people. She was born female, the end. Move on people.
These Olympics is a woke shitshow, which makes it a travesty for women's events. The Olympics has always been a racket, but this one has evolved to the level of evil.
Scandals involving intersex people exist since the 1950s. Maybe you miss the Middle Ages?
Well said sir
Sorry I meant madam
No Olympics have always been the greatest stage for sports your alt right wing trump worshipping and modi loving degenerate mind can never comprehend what sports means cause fat a*** never moves an inch from the couch. Loser
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For all the comments I would just like to remind everyone that Imane is a person as well, with feelings just like the rest of us. Imagine how she is feeling today? She was cleared to compete by the IOC so any criticism should be directed at them. That being said it didn’t look fair to me.
And IOC is the pinnacle of biological gender determination?
Imane has xy male chromosome……. Seriously you are delusional and part of the problem we need to stop these silly games of enabling gender BS before someone gets hurt. He can be anyone he wants to be, he call himself a she identify as a rabbit for all l care but not at the expense of genetic advantage in female sport. I have a right to an opinion just like he has a right to believe anything he wants to be enough of woke and cancel culture BS!
Don't give a shit about feelings when testosterone gives unfair advantages.
Or even betterThink about what Angel carine is thinking ans going through, she worked her ass off to get to where she was for her country, to then have to drop out because of safety, against a fighter who Because of body advantages most likely had an easy path to get to the Olympics in the first place and she had the IOC screw her over making her fight he she 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
She was cleared by the Olympic committee because her Passport says Female...What a woke joke!
It's plain to see that if this boxer was born as XY "female", this match shows that XY should not compete with XX, regardless of whether XY was classified as "female" at birth, or "identified" as "female" later.
How would you like to be told that?
Why couldn't be taken a snapshot of xy and showed 😅
No it's not, it's like SNL's Pat. Either this one took OTC testosterone. Or grew up with testosterone.
XY XYH XYQML only exists in america we only have X and Y .. fight or cry
What this match shows is Carini took a couple of pokes to the face, said her nose hurts, and then she quit the fight.
Competition means good sportsmanship, Iman clearly has an irregular advantage. Man or woman, it's not a fair bout.
She is man with no boobs.. No ways she is woman
How is it irregular advantage, she is a born female.
Pretty common to have advantages in sports i mean aren't all basketplayer very tall
"OMG this basketball player is so much taller than the other players, that gives him much more advantage"
@@hml25 Not male against female. According to a doctor this person has an inverted penis making it appear female. There are also testes inside which provide an advantage over women due to going through male puberty. Added to that XY chromosomes mean MALE
We admire all sorts of male athletes that have genetic mutations that allow them to compete at the highest level. Why is it an issue when a woman has an advantage? And why only this particular issue?
Because it is NOT a woman. It has XY chromosomes and is exactly as you described it - a male with some genetic mutation. It can go and compete with other males as much as it wants.
XY= Male
XX= Female
He is an XY individual born with a genetic anomaly that affects the development of his sexual organs, that doesn't turn him into a biological woman, specially if he went through all the process of development in puberty, with the testosterone levels of a male. It is unfair and dangerous for women athletes to allow this individual to fight against women in boxing.
@@СилвияБрянова shes a woman.
Shes born with VJ
@@СилвияБрянова
*_"Because it is NOT a woman. It has XY chromosomes and is exactly as you described it"_*
It? You are disgusting to refer to a person as it, disgusting. She was born with female genitalia, lived a life as a woman, and if the IOC gives her the right to compete, that give you the right to call her "it"?
@ohbebe
*_"Clearly he was born intersex and they chose to raise him as a girl, but they made the wrong choice"_*
He? She won born with female genitalia, has been a woman her whole life, get over it.
Yea i just heard this as well. She has also lost 9 times the Italian chick quit before as well.
Men have DSDs too and Khelif could easily be a man with DSDs. What are Khelif's genetics? What is Khelif's internal reproductive structure? Those are the two essential questions.
Those 9 women who won their match against her didn't ask stupid question, they just won the match. I feel sorry for clowns like you.
What everyone saying that they go through puberty and one gender gets dominate... i dong see adams apple or breasts... like being a female myself i have seen girls with very flat chest but this person's another level flat... plus wearing such looose boxer shorts doesnt allow revealing any male genetilia so all really confusing. As someone else said if she was 100% female with ovaries and chromosomes why did they let rumor go on and not just did a test to show world
Why are men jealous of women ?
😂🤣
????? Where is that coming from???
Because we are jealous of men whos actually faking the world by being an woman
Gender equality treatment??
because women's bodies allow them to give birth so that life goes on.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Who is the Party in this case?
Book was insanely accurate for what has come to be known as
I understand the concern but I really don't think Algeria of all places would send a trans athlete to represent them in the Olympics. Realistically Imane probably has an intersex condition if the "XY Chromosome" report is actually credible, otherwise the elevated testosterone levels are likely caused by another hormonal disorder such as PCOS for example.
Trans althlete? Dude, you don't even know what a transgender is lol This is not a transgender, this is a woman, born with vagina.
Leave this poor woman alone
Man
@@faceones Cunt. Being a Internet bully must make you feel like man.
@@faceones women
Carrying XY chromosomes
Seems like he has a penis where his tits are supposed to be, maybe he just suffers from severe IBTC.
Stupid Olympics should add another category for them! Hope they don't consider to win medal
No need she's competing in the good category
Why if Imane is a biological woman? Just because she has higher testosterone? That’s some bullshit.
I’m even more ashamed of seeing such type of reporting on an Indian news channel. Indian athletes like Dutee Chand and Santhi Soundarajan have been unfairly banned from competing due to similar vague gender testing procedures. Both athletes come from simple and poorer backgrounds that chose athletics as a career to get ahead in life. Soundarajan was unfairly stripped of her silver medal from 2006 Asian Games over a questionable gender test.
It's really unfair the harassment she suffered, comes from a very poor family she sold bread on the sidewalk scrap and plastic to be able to pay for her travel from her village to the boxing gym in the city, and still a small city and the boxing gym is rudimentary for a third world country.
Well, then France should hold Shemale Olympics alongside Paralympics to showcase what a great country it is.
She’s biologically a woman
Showing childhood picture won't help her physical examination need to be done to Clear the doubt...
she has been tested..she doesnt have a sausage..or grapes .
Where is that info located? I heard they weren't " sexing" athletes. @@BARELD050
@BARELD
How is he producing high levels of testosterone without the “grapes”…testes?
People are not taught basic biology anymore and they are easily fooled. 😢
@@BARELD050 and still he has Y chromosome. End of story.
@@kurtistrent4772 end of thing, IBA is not reliable at all, in fact it has been out of the Olympics for years.
Disgusting. Boycott the OLYMPICS
How? The French are the best protester and rioter the world knows of.
If they can’t do it whilst Olympic at their home country, than sorry but no one stop Olympic
@@prasanta5139 Don't attend, don't watch
many people are making their minds based on commentaries rather that fact and knowledge ... imane , the algerian boxer is a female ... she has female genitalea with uterus and fallopian tube ... she has is called swyer syndrome ... her physical characteristics is that of female ... and she is no transgender ... freak of nature ... yes ... like those growing extraordinarily tall (good for basketball and volleyball) ... i stand with the algerian boxer ... for me , she is a legit female ... despite having XY chromosomes ...
It does not matter if "she's" been raised as an elephant... He is a male human being. THE END.
She is a female with all features and biology of female. She has genetic anomaly of intersex person in domain of chromosome that gives her abnormal testosterone level.
This situation isn't about trans debate it's about cowards in IOC that unable to draw definitive lines in protection of fairness.
So, you are of the belief that the definition of male includes the following phrase (or something similar): "Human males can have either a penis or a vagina... it kinda depends."?
@@azuravianXY chromosomes. And don’t give me the bullshit answer that some people have XXY chromosomes. While yes this can happen, Y means male. No female has a Y chromosome.
We "he" has ovaries. Idk what kind of men you think exist but most of them don't have ovaries
@@everythingintheuniverse8962 yea well He has XY chromosomes all men have a Y chromosome.
Elevated levels of testosterone can also be present in PCOS, which affects individuals assigned female at birth. I’m not saying that she has this condition though, it seems more like Swyer syndrome, though this has never been disclosed to my knowledge.
"Assigned female" stop with this woke crap. You aren't Assigned a gender, you ARE either a male or a female
Seems like there's a penis where his tits are supposed to be, probably severe IBTC but it hasn't been disclosed.
XY chromosomes in a simple blood test prove they are male. Gender reassignment surgery cannot alter that. Aberrations- natural hermaphrodites with XY chromosomes are scientifically male, even though their body parts have developed abnormally due to Swyer syndrome. Gay Pride needs to organise separate events for the 'Other' category because they are destroying women's sport for competitors and spectators alike.
There is a limit of testesteron a woman can have.
LGBTQ gay transgender all together should establish gay olymbic separately for themselves and leave the standard male female olymbics.
This literally has nothing to do with transgender, she's a biological woman with a hormonal imbalance, it's called DSD, do a bit of research so you don't sound stupid
Khelif has XY chromosomes. That means she has an advantage. even if she went thru female puberty, she still had some aspect of a male puberty
this is what called ( talent ) messi got the fastest reflexes and this is why he is the best in the world
to be NBA player you should be tall and this is what called talent
The xy is a lie or rather uncertainty we simply don't know
@ohbebe she
@@hml25 she said that they robbed her on perpuse and everyone dont believe her
@jeckto No this is called not being a clearly defined female. She is neither male nor female, she is in between. In between people should not be allowed to compete in the female class since they don't have all the characteristics of a female and in fact have many characteristics of a male. This doesn't mean they can't compete, they just have to do it in the open class where they will learn that they indeed do NOT have any talent lolj
Why is this confusing? Some DSDs dont become apparent until puberty
Yes but when they do become apparent, then that is their legal gender.
I haven’t watch a single game fight match etc. And I won’t. This woke BS is a joke.
The Olympic committee are absolutely wrong on this! Structurally the winner is still a man! Have some sense!
How so if she was assigned female at birth? Women can have masculine features. You know that right?
This year Olympic is a big joke 😂
The upside down flag was magically funny and disgraceful
If the Y chromosome is present, then the genetics are male regardless of the organ that develops. Additionally in cases of swyers I thought that hormones were not produced naturally as a result of no testes or ovaries, so where did the elevated levels of testosterone come from?
Actually not true. I read a medical study where women born with xy chromosome actually don’t have androgen receptors like males born with xy. So it’s not as black and white as you want to present it.
Very small amounts are produced by adrenal glands. But you are right where is the elevated coming from unless it's being injected.
it is female boxing not XX boxing in the end
if she got a little bit talent ( yes a little bit she is not that strong she lost 9 times) then there is no problem
americans think algerians are disguisting like them '( we dont have those things called ''transgender.gay.lesbien . lgbtq)"
ppl bullying a poor women for being good sucks i hope she won in the end
@@gravitatemortuus1080 to get the body structure Khelif has, there had to have been years of testosterone building up that tissue to the degree it is; Khelif's gait, movement, everything looks extremely male.
I was watching Britney Griner's (haven't seen anyone mention her but you watch, now that I've mentioned, it'll be all OVER the place, lol), anyway Brittany looked actually very feminine and pretty when she was a teen. Tall and gangly but recognizably feminine.
After a few years, her face started taking on a very manly appearance as if she started taking testosterone. I don't think any condition can cause something like that to occur that long after puberty, that suddenly gives a woman a very male appearance.
Whatever is causing these issues, those women need a class of their own.
If a pitbull gets into a fight with a dalmation, most people agree that is a mismatched fight.
This is obviously a mismatched competition as well and the Olympics better get their sht together.
@@jecktoBeyond that, they are talking about the elevated levels of testosterone in its system aka steroids
Well....she/he need to compete with other people that have her/his same condition! Simple!
This condition happens MAYBE 1-5 of 100,000 children. NOT POSSIBLE. She should not be punished for something RARE
You embarass your ancestor
@@katelyngleason449 Nor should other women who compete and end up being beaten by them
@@nicki_akaiexcept she was 9-5 in her previous league lol
@@nicki_akai well she is not a super hero she lost before against many fighters and even the Italian girl who played against her last time didn't complain about her beating like male
All children are the same in that age, the difference hits when you hit puberty. Iman is a man.
Morra
It is quite possible that she is intersex. Born and identified as female but with Y chromosome.
This does not seem to be part of the trans debate, although closely related.
Intersex people are not trans, the American media is using this for political motives for the upcoming elections without fact checking
Definitely not part of trans because trans is like doping, the athletes chose to alter their bodies; however in this case, it is a birth defect.
*_"This does not seem to be part of the trans debate"_*
What on earth are you talking about? There is no trans debate. She is not a transgender.
There is a really easy way to find out....
😂 yes "dropped dem draws"
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she has tits and vigina
Show bobs and vagenes
I though the same😅😅😅
Looks to me like the same thing that happened with Brittney Griner: raised as a girl, but biologically male.
Morra
Definitely not the same… cut the bs. Brittney Griner is a WOMAN (born female) and is still a WOMAN no matter what her lifestyle choices are. Very poor analogy on your behalf
Paris should be the FINAL OLYMPIC GAME….ever!!
Paris should be THEY DRINK PEE FROM CUPS so
I dont see divided opinions.. pretty clear he shouldn’t be competing in female sports
It's a she it's natural she is a biological woman she just OP
get over it... she's a women
She previously lost to nine women fighters..
Do you think men have ovaries? Cuz this fighter does
so men can be pregnant and give birth then,She is a biological woman/female with a condition that makes her have the testerone levels that of male,she has a vagina,ovaries,uterus all that and is female,so wtf you yapping about?she has sawyer syndrome,according to you men can get pregnant then right?no,she is a biological female not male nor trans,according to your logic men can have babies then?you're clearly uneducated on the matter of chromosomes and how they don't exactly indicate sex,she's a she not her nor trans
Ok Come on
Enough Confusion
CAN SHE GET
PREGNANT & HAVE
A BABY??????
👏 if not.... he's a HE
Yes, she has a vagina and can get pregnant,they said that in paris
That's right!
Not all women are fertile (neither are all men). She has a vagina (and has from the moment of birth). She also met the IOC requirements for testosterone levels in female boxers, which is very strict.
Yes, she can. She has no ovaries (or testes) but with implantation she has all the reproductive parts to be pregnant and have a baby. JFGI
I wish I could live in the world back how it was in the early 90's!
ME TOO..
why not full 90s decade ?
@@frankfurt2812 , the early 90s was drastically different than the later 90s. Early 90s felt like the extension of the 80s.
@@roythousand13 that's how early 2000s i feel.
i was born in 1993 so my favorite time was late 90s and early 2000s
Possibly has Swyer Syndrome in which born with female reproductive organs, but with XY chromosomes. The question I believe at this point is since identified as female at birth was hormone replacement therapy used at all prior to puberty. If hormone replacement used would have developed breasts and uterus. This costs money and there are no large breasts evident, so the XY and testosterone not held in check, so essentially matured as male. Giving unfair advantage in women’s boxing.
That man / female still has the strength of a male boxer they should have their own matches
She (we don't know) is a mediocre boxer. No win by KO ever, nothing impressive about her being skill or power. The other one happens to be even worse. Second time she does this.
But she has also lost fights. This sounds like nothing but a sore Italian loser.
Not true.
Total fights 51
Wins 42 (4 later disqualified)
Wins by KO 6
Losses 9
She doesn't have the strength of a man, the Italian boxer just wasn't that good 😂
This female with Swyers' has lost to plenty of female boxers in the past!
This world is insane!
The ignorance around this subject and this poor woman is so sad. As a doctor, your chromosomes are not the only thing that defines your biological sex. She is likely a female XY, with female organs but no or non-functioning ovaries so did not go through puberty. She does not have the body mass and composition of a man, nor does she have secondary female characteristics like breasts and a menstrual cycle. This does not mean she is not a female.
Let’s put them in a third and different category. Why make females suffer or compete with other female XY.
yes, chromosomes are what determine gender, specifically the non-somatic chromosomes, aka, the sex chormosomes. Is this Dr. Jill?
Childhood images don't mean anything. Hasn't anyone seen the photos of Charlize Theron's kids?
She is from a Muslim country that heavily rejects multicoloured ideas to it core and have strict laws against it, so she was born female and therefore she was raised as such
@@meriemmahdi5527strict laws basically mean you hide that you are intersex.
In this case they matter. Kalife is from a Muslim country. No o LGBT rights in Algeria. Homosexuality is illegal there and punishable by prison time. As a nation lgbt is not upported there. Makes it hard to believe they sent a transcript woman to box bio women. I think they're either a hermaphrodite or just a masculine woman.
You sound ignorant asf. Bye.
Brother are you stupid!? Back in those days there was no such thing as gender transitions!! The medicine was not even created yet for that stuff!! This shit barely started in 2014 and on
The IOC is known for having the toughest drug testing program of all sports and yet they solely base their player sex screening on what is written on the athlete's passport.
@@dboystipsandtricks408 Yeah it’s insane. Anyone can alter their passport to how they identify. A passport is not a medical document.
This is false. The IOCs latest requirements are set for each sport, so the IOC at the top level doesn't test for anything, but the individual sports bodies working with the IOC do. For women's boxing, it requires a T-level of
fact checked instantly LMAO garbage
rule needs to be changed to xy is male like it is in biology
@@curtisfrempong9297 yeah, but the bigots still get more likes. Society sucks lately.
People should read some background on this story before going on about their "disgust".
This whole Olympics is disgusting.
Well I did try to look back at their past career, you will find that a data protection request has removed everything beyond a couple of years
what is disgusting is allowing a male to compete in womens sports. and for him to use his supposed deformity as an advantage. No one is disgusted with him simply due to his deformity. but his abusing it for personal gain is disgusting.
Video mentions she showed regrets after losing, but left out the part where she has gone on record having no ill will towards her opponent and wished her well.
Yeah ..Right ..
when this boxer was born I suspect their gender was in question but they raised her as a girl , however given the amount of testosterone and the XY chromosomes , that may have been a mistake becasue they have XY the are fundamentally male , of course the culture in algeria would never have accepted this child as intersex
These pics do not prove anything only a witnessed DNA test by an independent lab will prove it hands down ! 😂
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This controversy has a pre planned feel to it. If this one was born as XY "female", this match shows that XY should not compete with XX, regardless of how classified at birth.
@@ekitiibwalife7921 or it shows that a boxer that quit boxing after Tokyo and just took it back up again recently was not prepared.
@@azuravian Yeah a true female boxer should be prepared to fight a male chromosome boxer. Brilliant !
@@ekitiibwalife7921 Any boxer should be prepared enough to not drop their guard. However, we don't know what her Chromosomes are, but if they are XY, that still doesn't mean male. Your elementary understanding of genetics is obvious, though.
Why is a male fighting a female?.......is the question.
How can a person be a male when that person was born with a vagina? You need to study biology.... you probably don't even what a vagina looks like.
They both look a little manly. What’s the problem
Exactly lots of women athletes..,be looking like dude looks like a lady. Lol That Italian one was looking questionable as well, just because she has a smaller physique means nothing. Since people want to talk…let’s talk about it all, not just one.
A gynecologist would clear this question up in a jiffy .
Unless both of them are hiding something they should go see the Olympic Drs .
The XY chromosomes are the problem. The huge amount of naturally flowing testosterone is the problem. The fact that a man can hit 60% harder than a female and can kill her with one punch is the problem. The fact that they are sending the message that Taiwanese and Algerian women suck so bad at boxing that they choose to send their XY males instead who have DSD so their junk is missing and pass them off as chick's is a problem. They aren't dominating women's boxing. They're humiliating themselves and their countries by advertising that they have NO GOOD FEMALE BOXERS in either country. Nobody asks themselves why the IOC refuses to reveal what the gender test was that they used last year but won't use at the Olympics. Those guys refused the buccal swab test. That test gathers epithelial cells that have DNA that contains chromosomes, which are either XX or XY. It's the "Y" that makes the difference. Even a person who is XXY presents as male. I've met one at a TS meeting back in 2005. No matter what delusional things people are saying, biology is what it is, and this Olympics will go down in history as a joke. I still remember the endless East Germany jokes back when I was a little kid. East Germany was pumping androgens into their female athletes and didn't tell them. Of course, they ended up dying from cancers because that's what happens when you mess with hormones. What better way to cheat than to find males with DSD so their junk isn't developed and pass them off as biological women by allowing them to refuse the chromosomal test? My biology teachers are probably all having strokes about now. Some of us went to college and studied human anatomy and biology. The same people who are dismissing science seem to be the same m0r0ns who believed in 2021 that ivermectin was only used in veterinary medicine. I wonder why the W.H.O. has a statue erected in the honor of ivermectin at their main headquarters, and why it won a Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2014? They must REALLY love horses! 🤣🤣🤣 Mysogeny has reached its zenith.
@@terryfrit3749Nope. If they have DSD, they have under or undeveloped male genitalia. Sometimes, if they present as female at birth, they'll do a little extra surgery to drive the point home, but the XY chromosomes and high testosterone remain. The chromosome test was what those two dudes refused. That was the test that got them disqualified last year. When you've got a "Y," you're a "guy."
Go home and never open your mouth!
Every opponent should refuse to enter the ring with WHATEVER this figher is. Let him / her / they /it have the gold medal, and live with their shame.
she is a women and if you ask her if she support LGBT she will say no and will tell you that a women is a human born with pussy and a man have a dick
u want to make everyone disguisting like you
even the italian boxer gave an apology after she relized that she is a real women
shame on you random searcher who dont do any researches
@@jecktoThe real response! People just believe everything that's fed to them without being assed to do any real research on the matter, quick to jump in on a train of ignorance and hatred... To think with all our advancements until now, in 2024 people are still going to bash a woman for not fitting into their boxes, with what seems like defamation due to the claims that she's a male. Until actual, official papers showing the study are public, I'm going to believe Imane is a female.
Bruh she is a woman she's been defeated by 9 other woman in her career, m pretty sure it's not her fault nd it just that the italian woman is so weak that she couldn't even bare with two boxes nd started crying,
Nd u can see her childhood photos she's a WOMAN , yall are yapping about it just because she's not pretty nd she's not European , shame on u people
Well Paris asked for it.....transgender Opening...Trangsgenders finals... Ultimate shame and disgust
so men can be pregnant and give birth then,She is a biological woman/female with a condition that makes her have the testerone levels that of male,she has a vagina,ovaries,uterus all that and is female,so wtf you yapping about?she has sawyer syndrome,according to you men can get pregnant then right?no,she is a biological female not male nor trans,according to your logic men can have babies then?you're clearly uneducated on the matter of chromosomes and how they don't exactly indicate sex,she's not transgender at all and speaking of irrelevant matters,Algeria does not even allow transitioning as it is illegal,she is a biological female with swyer syndrome,not transgender this is basic information,don't speak so confidently of what you don't know as you are wrong,dummy
@@pablocamacho6830 she’s not transgender. She’s cisgender. She has a medical condition and was born FEMALE.
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These are the worst olympics ever , athletes are losing golds by hundredth of seconds , water sailing stopped twice , bicycles having sudden punctures , only athletes that are in the lead , have this happen , gymnasts are falling off their appliances , never known before for so many , total mess up
Hmmmmmmm....believe the propaganda or my own eyes?????,,,,,,,hmmmmmmmmmm......
Why do you keep referring to him as she? Recall his DNA teste please. If anything the fact that he used to wear girl's clothes (as you say) only vows for how trained he his in pretending.
If you think it is unfair, then you have to disqualify Mike Tyson for the super strength of his hook and hyper cut.
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Except Mike Tyson and his opponents all had solid rules regarding doping tests. How is this different?
That's why categorisations exists..
It's obviously a sham for the organization that lets a man compete against a woman, but she should have not quit, because still she had a chance to win.
what about the Taiwanese one? how common is Swyer syndrome that 2 are in the Olympics now?
@@kite6864 It's hard to say. Swyer syndrome is just one form of DSD and I don't think we know definitively if either of them have that specific form or not. As far as DSD in general, estimates are anywhere from 1 in 5000 to as frequent as 1 in 50.
The problem with estimating is that many people will never really have any test done that lets them know. Often, a person finds out they have DSD due to something else, such as assessing fertility. About half of the population of the US has no intention of having children, so any DSD people in that population might not ever know.
XY chromosomes in a simple blood test prove they are male. Gender reassignment surgery cannot alter that. Aberrations- natural hermaphrodites with XY chromosomes are scientifically male, even though their body parts have developed abnormally. Gay Pride needs to organise separate events for the 'Other' category because they are destroying women's sport for competitors and spectators alike.
it's monsanto
After all, it's normal when a man and a woman fight, it's not an equal fight 😢😢😢
All are lies and false justifications . If these Chromosomes test gave XY , then they are men+ the testosterone test is high. They can’t no fight with women.
Who is man are you mad????
@@MoinRana721The “winner” is the man…yaaayy, he can beat a girl
So, we are supposed to feel sorry for him because he had a hard childhood? Well welcome to the world most people if you let them tell their stories have had rough childhoods. That doesn't mean that you change the rules. The Olympic games have always been men against men and women against women. If he wants to box, then he should box men. All of these so-called woke people need to go back to sleep, wake up and try again.
He's not a man. Has been female from birth and never underwent male puberty.
This situation isn't about male in women sports at all. You totally miss the point. It's a female with genetic anomaly that gives her abnormal level of testosterone. It's isn't a dude trying to pass as a woman.
@@azuravian He is genetically a man his chromosomes are xy therefore he is genetically a man. he didn't undergo female puberty either. He should not be boxing women. Maybe the Olympics should hold an Olympic game for woke people and they can play together. It's not fair to the quote unquote normal people to have to play against him. They don't let just anyone into the special Olympics do they. My husband is a scientist with a degree in science and child counseling from Jons Hopkins University so just don't try to tell me anything to make me agree with you. Look at him he is more disposed to be a man, and you did the pronoun he, so that says it right there he is a man and should not be boxing women.
@@azuravianXY chromosomes and high testosterone. Increased testosterone means that he will have increased muscle mass, ya idiot!
thats not a female
She is a female but her competitor is a chicken.
Are you ok? She was born a female there’s no denying, it’s a fact she’s not trans… smh
What is a female if you say it’s not someone born with a vagina
She is, it's just her testorones are high like lady called caster semenya
@ThatoRadebe-c6n how come then she had two kids with her wife😂😂it don't make sense. These individuals might be both female and male maybe! But def not female
If she is a he, then she/he should be ashamed of her act. That would be unsportmanship conduct.
rather, it's the people who harassed him and pretended that he's a man, it's them who should be ashamed
Proves nothing John wayne was dressed as a girl when he was young .
Iam from Algeria and our country DOES NOT allow us to change anything even clouths
I guess the person could have both genitalia? It does happen in some instances. It’s sad but I don’t know why he/she’d be allowed to fight against females.
I have quit watching all Olympics and will not ever watch until fairness returns to the sport and true biological males and females are restored and that's probably never because the world is getting sicker and sicker. It is not a competition it's a slaughter.
All the girls had to withdraw from the competition before the fights, and they had to give it to these two half-testers so that they could take the gold, silver and bronze.
I think all the female boxing athletes should boycott this event. It is disrespectful to the female boxers who had worked so hard over the years to fulfil their dreams but were not treated equally.
This what the world is coming to i teach my kids different boy and girl = life nothing else.
I feel sorry for your kids.
Trans should compete in their own special Olympics.
algeria is woke muslim now?
no.. trans not allowed in Algeria
@@truelies5431 but they can fight in the olympics then.
@@chichiboypumpishe born a women
@@chichiboypumpi nope, she is not transgender. Never transitioned, she has always been a woman.
@@chichiboypumpi She is not trans. She is actually physically female. It's a condition where the chromosomes are XY but the body is female with some physical advantages. It's a grey area. Algeria would never allow a male in a female sport. I should know. I'm Algerian.
But do believe there should a clear law on this matter.
Dressing up (or even feeling like) a girl is a very absurd way of knowing if someone is a girl or not.
Here's a thought. Let's have YY chromosome fighters fight against YY's; XY's against XY; and XX's against other XX's. Seems only fair to me.
Sup, YY is non viable, but if you wanna watch dead fetuses fight go ahead. Y'all don't know nothing about chromosomes, learn a term then run with it. Imane MAY have a condition (unproven) but she's a biological woman (proven).
What is an yy is that two penises
Imane Khelif lost 9 matches against women.... just saying. Unlike you those 9 women don't talk nonsense, and just beat her up. She was born with a vagina, therefor she's a woman. Should we now also have black only competitions, since in many sports they have a clear advantage? You're a freak...
Seems like you don't quite get how chromosomes work... You could use a little education on it, but that's up to you. Biology is anything but "basic".
Childhood photo doesn't mean anything. Now we are talking about DSD and possibly he was born with internal testicles. He wouldn't have known until puberty
So you have 3 grainy photos of a young person who may or may not be the person in question...
are u crazy u don't see they look the same person insane
@@SaKura-qi1dn people are truly insane
@@SaKura-qi1dn Lol, either way it doesn't answer the presenting question. Lots of people look similar fyi.
@@PETER_YZ250FX so the parents are lying?
Without even looking too far, she was born 25 years ago, before the emergence of wokeism, in a closed and conservative country where it is illegal to change gender or be homosexual, etc. (the same kinds of countries that Westerners keep pointing out for their intolerance, etc.). Anyway, born 25 years ago in this country, the doctor at the time, and even today, would never have taken the slightest risk of declaring her sex as female on the birth certificate. Besides, even today, in the most woke country in the world, apart from a psychopath, I don't see why a doctor would declare the opposite sex at birth.
XY males with DSD are born with external female or ambiguous genitalia, and they are assumed to be girls and are raised as such. However, they lack ovaries and instead have internal testes which produce male levels of testosterone at puberty, which leads to the masculine appearance we see here, and as we saw with Caster Semenya. Even though they have female appearing genitalia, they are actually males who, through a sad accident of nature, failed to develop males genitalia in utero. In more advanced countries, this is often detected early, but in less advanced parts of the world, the first thing that rouses suspicion is failure to menstruate. Of course they should be allowed to compete, but it should not be against actual females.
Disgraceful and unacceptable !! What a fraud !! 😢
i saw the fight, it was very underwhelming. From what I saw non of the punches looked significant. Carini gave up.
Probably to save her life she gave up, because she knows that a woman should not be fighting against a man - or a woman with hormones the equivalent of a man. It’s just too dangerous. If she was fighting against an equal, she wouldn’t have given up. But she was fighting against someone who was not her equal, so it was an unfair fight.
That is because a male boxer punches so much stronger and harder that she felt that it was not going to end well for her. In physical sports the difference is huge. One or two punches and she knew enough.
@@storybellz
*_Probably to save her life she gave up"_*
No, because she's a weakling, unlike the 9 women who boxed against Imane Khelif and actually won.
@@MichaelDomer as I said, they were probably closer to the right size and weight to compete, whereas this woman wasn’t and they weren’t in equal stats. There are lots of things to consider here. But saying that an Olympic contestant is a weakling is laughable.
@@storybellzmorra
This is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. We do realise it's very easy to find out his gender right??
She is intersex. She has the physical characteristics of a woman with XY chromosomes.
I got a feeling I'm gonna laugh very much when this situation is solved... Ignorance is not always bliss, if it brings hate comments and death threats to a person who's seemingly been framed at a quite convenient (dare I say, suspiciously) time, even if she's been competing for years and lost to female boxers before.
We could use some critical thinking but that might be a step too high for those who refuse to educate themselves on the matter at hand...
If she is born female she must really compete in an all out female contest..if she excells and dominating in her form..well, she will be one of the greatest boxer the female gender will be celebrating
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😮 You can see very well he adjust his " pns " inside the red short.
Woman compete with woman...
Man compete with man...
Transgender compete with transgender.....
I feel sorry for Angela but in same time proud of her courage to show the unfair competition.
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Morra
Elevated levels of testosterone isn't enough to conclude that someone is a male.
The Italian lost due to skill issues
That’s like saying the best pound for pound boxer can beat a gorilla in a fight your sick
@@TheTRUNLIVIN
Ahhh... Strawman....
Intimidating at first glance , but absolute nonsense once looked again
@@sidharthcs2110 So.. If it is a male and it is xy, then it's you who are the strawman.
international boxe league stated he is male due dna test but even if she is a dsd, her body is grown up in a sea of testosterone and probably is more male than you so she should go to parolimpics, not there... otherwise next time i bring a basket team with only gigantism players..
@@markw8825 so you are saying men can give birth. very progressive of you. I know you are actually an idiot but maybe google Swyer syndrome. It'll blow you smooth brain to mars.
So if it’s not a girl, then not a boy, then why use the girl sport? Why don’t you challenge yourself and choose the boys sport?
No testosterone no anything the reason is : Free-free Palastine
People check on weight to make it fair….why not extra hormones? That’s unfair too physically. Since it’s a world class fight, every examinations has to be done throughly by different certified doctors.
It’s not a woman!
She was born women and she was in Tokyo oulympics and lost no one cares when she losr
@@algeriality5815XY chromosomes? Genetically male?
@@algeriality5815you know a guy can be born with 2 penises. Does this mean that he is 2 ppl? No. It does not
@@Lilly_LaVonne she is a women
@@Lilly_LaVonne source?
In my book Angela Carini will always be a WINNER!!!!
Absolutely!
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other women defeated Imane easily... if imane hit so hard Angela would been KO'ed don't you think... also angela faught like $hit
She never won anything 😂
En France ils ne montre pas les photos quand elle était petite.
He looks like Neymar's brother come on! You can see it a mile away. IOC is crazy.
Neymar Senior needs to give us some answers i guess
The Olympic committee representative attested himself that Imene was born females enough racism if this was a Western female boxer no one would bat an eye
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So my question becomes. Should she fight with men?
She already lost 9 matches with women … the Italian is just weak and making excuses for her loss
I don’t know but I think if she really is a woman, it will be insulting for her that people are in doubt of her gender based on her appearance