@@rcpilotwill Interested in what Chris 😏 comes up with to reinforce the area. Maybe channels cut with carbon fiber square rods glued in or some marine plywood in-laid over the area? 🤔
Glad you were able to get it down safely!! That woulda been scary for sure! I still have yet to maiden mine due to weather but will be paying attention to all these videos before I do!
Excellent and calm piloting, Will. Thanks too for all the information in the Videos. I'm hoping to assemble mine in time to fly next weekend if weather permits. As we fly from a grass strip which is still a little rough from the dreadful weather we're having in the U.K, I will be sure to regularly check for the kind of damage you exposed. Also, from past experience I tend to apply a firm tug test to all my EPO EDF a/c control surfaces and re-glue as necessary.
From your video, it looks like the fuselage buckled behind the gear and blocked the wing from sweeping. I just happen to have a wrecked fuselage and there is an 8mm carbon tube right behind the gear bracket in the fuselage. Unfortunately, the tube touches the bracket but that's it. This leaves a weak spot at the back edge of the swept wing spar mount. If they had just extended that LG bracket to create an insertion hole for the tube that would have reduced the chance of buckling the fuselage behind the gear.
Wow, nice that you were able to save it, bro. Hot mess, people paying big money for these things just having to spend time and more money on repairs that should be addressed at the factory. Grrrrr They need to hire me for the ir R&D team. I'll tear some shit up and find all the weak spots. 😂
So I am going to say this much. I believe it's an oversight on manufacturing in the parts that pertain to the wing sweep mechanism. The structure that is housing the pivoting mechanism is too weak to support the either intended or unintended design, dual purpose function of supporting the main landing gear and wing sweep feature. In either case I wonder when this product was test were the take off and landings were on smooth geotech or grass ops? With that being said perklhaps this was not caught during testing because for the most part the testers themselves are skilled pilots and knew exactly how to fly her in under power, but still product specialists, designers and manufacturers need to keep into consideration the grass ops pilots, which are a lot of us because not to many of us own or fly from geotech turf. It's either asphalt or grass. No excuse, product has to be tested out for bad landings as well. I believe freewing will do the right thing and either create a reinforcement kit or have a stone cold failed plane that won't sell do to its increasingly bad reputation that is becoming an epidemic in the hobby.
I believe the product is good. Just somethings they have to find thru beta testing and we are the testers at our own cost. But just like the MiG-29 Twin 80 they made things right.
I got one myself havent maiden it, ive talked to some more experienced pilots than myself and everyone said this bird is great in the air but its a handfull on landing and ive see alot of crashes. Idk i may just keep this one as a static model. Btw new to your channel bud i gave a like and sub
Hey man thanks for dropping by and thanks for the sub and like. The jet can stress you out but landing it can be a challenge. I have a setup and mixing vid I will be dropping soon.
Every time you bring up the shortcomings with his jet people get all crazy and say its the pilots fault. I don't think so when so many have had issues. Glad people are working through it.
My man Rcpilotwill needs to be given kudos for discovering this flaw in design and pulling off a miracle of a landing. Now its time for me to get in my white lab coat and do my thing 🤓🧐
Once again, why didnt they extend the plate 2 to 3 inches back above the retract? They stated that they fixed the problem from the 80mm, once again there is not enough support above the main retracts! Your landing was beautiful! It should be able to withstand some minor roughness in a field. Im happy that i didnt pull the trigger on this plane. Just ask fat guy flies rc!!! Robert
Taxi, take off, and landing on grass really stresses the foam and landing gear on planes. Its really only a matter of time until something breaks. One of the fields i fly from doesnt have a well maintained grass runway. Its literally just a field. Theres a paved street next to the field that we use to take off from. Then use the grass to land. Its one of those areas where you have to choose between risking running into the sidewalks or land on uneven grass. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. No matter how good a pilot, every week someone either strips landing gear on the grass, or smashes into the sidewalk. 😔
Yeah its unfortunate we don't have a smooth surface runway but there is plans to roll the field. I like my field its nice but hard surface can hurt to if you drop in to hard lol.
I was at an air show when someone asked if 1 swept 1 full out wing ever happened . My father who worked for Grumman designing and testing the f14 quickly said no it never happened because Grumman had a steel bar that prevented that from happening. The pilot said it did happen once when one of those steel bars snapped due to chaffing. He knew this because he was the pilot that it happened to. He called in a mayday and was told he had permission to eject and lose the f14. He decided to try to land and had to fly with full left stick but he did manage to save the aircraft and land the plane ! You have to have big attachments to be a fighter pilot !
Maybe some carbon rods through the foam and a carbon plate epoxied on the top? I do wish the servos where closer to 30g. I think they need to be strong enough to press the wings against their bump stops. If not then its purely the servo keeping the wing where its at. I dont trust my left wing servo. Seems like it needs more torque
Well like every new car something is found flawed. These rc planes won't be perfect. Even if they remedy one thing something further down the road will happen. Thanks for watching. I hope you enjoyed it 😊
At an air show I spoke to an f14 pilot that this actually happened to. He managed to land the aircraft even though he had permission to eject ! The f14 did things that were above the design envelope. It had very few kills in its service life because when the enemy knew that f14 's were up, they stayed far far away from them !
100% the planes fault everyone I follow/I know who has this plane has had issues with it, mixing board glitches, servos freezing or getting bound up, I mean these issues never happened with the twin 80s so frequent.
I gotta say the longer throws on the tailrons helped out. I believe if I was on the book rates it couldn't stay in the air like that.
Amazing save and great job keeping your cool!! No doubt staying calm is what saved your plane. Well done!!
Thank you
Love how you didn't overreact and kept your cool the whole time! Nice flying Will!
Thank you. I have three people to thank for helping me learn to keep my cool. They know who they are 😊.
Outstanding flying Will and kudos on your diagnosis. Christopher is the Man !! 😊
Thank you. 😊 Yeah Chris is my lil rc plane technician helper 😂
@@rcpilotwill Interested in what Chris 😏 comes up with to reinforce the area. Maybe channels cut with carbon fiber square rods glued in or some marine plywood in-laid over the area? 🤔
First time I've seen video from that perspective and it's awesome.
Thanks
Nice save mate! Glad you got her back safe.. Blue skies from Australia!
Thanks you.
Glad you were able to get it down safely!! That woulda been scary for sure! I still have yet to maiden mine due to weather but will be paying attention to all these videos before I do!
Lol yeah it's a fun jet to fly. I'll be waiting on your maiden brother.
Good save and thanks for the info bro!
Thank you. We gotta share our findings with these models 👍🏾
Excellent and calm piloting, Will. Thanks too for all the information in the Videos. I'm hoping to assemble mine in time to fly next weekend if weather permits. As we fly from a grass strip which is still a little rough from the dreadful weather we're having in the U.K, I will be sure to regularly check for the kind of damage you exposed. Also, from past experience I tend to apply a firm tug test to all my EPO EDF a/c control surfaces and re-glue as necessary.
Thank you. Oh and the weather here is just been pretty windy in NC. 😊
Great content!
Thank you.
Nice work, Commander. 🤙🤙
Thanks bud 👍🏾
Freewing owes us$500 and an apology.
Hope you get more flights on it. It's a fun jet in my opinion.
Love your videos
Thank you
It happens Will, everybody's grass is definitely different. Even Asphalt can be in poor shape 😮
From your video, it looks like the fuselage buckled behind the gear and blocked the wing from sweeping. I just happen to have a wrecked fuselage and there is an 8mm carbon tube right behind the gear bracket in the fuselage. Unfortunately, the tube touches the bracket but that's it. This leaves a weak spot at the back edge of the swept wing spar mount. If they had just extended that LG bracket to create an insertion hole for the tube that would have reduced the chance of buckling the fuselage behind the gear.
Wow, nice that you were able to save it, bro. Hot mess, people paying big money for these things just having to spend time and more money on repairs that should be addressed at the factory. Grrrrr
They need to hire me for the ir R&D team. I'll tear some shit up and find all the weak spots. 😂
Thanks man. Overall I like the jet it's cool. Lol tear it up man. 😂
Auto makers do thousands of miles of testing,, yet still have probs.. nothing but nothing compares to real world
So I am going to say this much. I believe it's an oversight on manufacturing in the parts that pertain to the wing sweep mechanism. The structure that is housing the pivoting mechanism is too weak to support the either intended or unintended design, dual purpose function of supporting the main landing gear and wing sweep feature. In either case I wonder when this product was test were the take off and landings were on smooth geotech or grass ops? With that being said perklhaps this was not caught during testing because for the most part the testers themselves are skilled pilots and knew exactly how to fly her in under power, but still product specialists, designers and manufacturers need to keep into consideration the grass ops pilots, which are a lot of us because not to many of us own or fly from geotech turf. It's either asphalt or grass. No excuse, product has to be tested out for bad landings as well. I believe freewing will do the right thing and either create a reinforcement kit or have a stone cold failed plane that won't sell do to its increasingly bad reputation that is becoming an epidemic in the hobby.
I believe the product is good. Just somethings they have to find thru beta testing and we are the testers at our own cost. But just like the MiG-29 Twin 80 they made things right.
@@rcpilotwill know doubt it's still a good product but it needs improvement so it can go from good to better.
They all use the "pilot" the manufacturer theses days as the the beta testers. Which is total crap!
I got one myself havent maiden it, ive talked to some more experienced pilots than myself and everyone said this bird is great in the air but its a handfull on landing and ive see alot of crashes. Idk i may just keep this one as a static model. Btw new to your channel bud i gave a like and sub
Hey man thanks for dropping by and thanks for the sub and like. The jet can stress you out but landing it can be a challenge. I have a setup and mixing vid I will be dropping soon.
Every time you bring up the shortcomings with his jet people get all crazy and say its the pilots fault. I don't think so when so many have had issues.
Glad people are working through it.
Awesome save! By the way, your control board looks quite different from mine. Did you change it?
I removed the control board and use a blue box for the lights and gear.
@@rcpilotwill Wow nice job! Thanks.
Prime example why I don't get first production run airplanes anymore 😒 sorry will!
Nah, man, it's all good I got it down safe. It's just a weak point that needs to be corrected.
Awesome save. Great poise under stress yaaaaah
Yes it wasn't easy but it's better than panic mode and crashing 😂. Thanks 👍🏾
That's wild! Thankfully you got it back down safely! Props for keeping your cool thru it! 👏👏🫡🫡
Thank you.
Great job pilot will awsome
My man Rcpilotwill needs to be given kudos for discovering this flaw in design and pulling off a miracle of a landing. Now its time for me to get in my white lab coat and do my thing 🤓🧐
Yeah G let's increase the durability in the lab 🧐
Once again, why didnt they extend the plate 2 to 3 inches back above the retract? They stated that they fixed the problem from the 80mm, once again there is not enough support above the main retracts! Your landing was beautiful! It should be able to withstand some minor roughness in a field. Im happy that i didnt pull the trigger on this plane. Just ask fat guy flies rc!!! Robert
Yeah FGFRC was not happy but to me overall it's a good jet just needs a few mods for harder than normal landings and bumps in the field
Taxi, take off, and landing on grass really stresses the foam and landing gear on planes. Its really only a matter of time until something breaks. One of the fields i fly from doesnt have a well maintained grass runway. Its literally just a field. Theres a paved street next to the field that we use to take off from. Then use the grass to land. Its one of those areas where you have to choose between risking running into the sidewalks or land on uneven grass. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. No matter how good a pilot, every week someone either strips landing gear on the grass, or smashes into the sidewalk. 😔
Yeah its unfortunate we don't have a smooth surface runway but there is plans to roll the field. I like my field its nice but hard surface can hurt to if you drop in to hard lol.
I was at an air show when someone asked if 1 swept 1 full out wing ever happened . My father who worked for Grumman designing and testing the f14 quickly said no it never happened because Grumman had a steel bar that prevented that from happening. The pilot said it did happen once when one of those steel bars snapped due to chaffing. He knew this because he was the pilot that it happened to. He called in a mayday and was told he had permission to eject and lose the f14. He decided to try to land and had to fly with full left stick but he did manage to save the aircraft and land the plane ! You have to have big attachments to be a fighter pilot !
Oh wow. Yes it takes someone colder than ice to keep calm under so much pressure.
Maybe some carbon rods through the foam and a carbon plate epoxied on the top? I do wish the servos where closer to 30g. I think they need to be strong enough to press the wings against their bump stops. If not then its purely the servo keeping the wing where its at. I dont trust my left wing servo. Seems like it needs more torque
Yeah I've been thinking about stronger servos thru AGFRC.
Did you find a way to reinforce the weak spot ?
I did but have not done it yet. @hamiltonshangar showed me how to reinforce it.
This is the 3rd video i've seen withe wing sweep fail,also heard of the flap hinges coming out in flight.I won't buy one until they fix it's issues.
Well like every new car something is found flawed. These rc planes won't be perfect. Even if they remedy one thing something further down the road will happen. Thanks for watching. I hope you enjoyed it 😊
Did you perform a preflight check on all the controls and swing wing, prior the flight ? If you did. You would have seen the swing wing failure.
I did preflight the control surfaces but not the wing sweep. But hey I got it down.
Thats not always the case my man. You can do a preflight with no issues and a failure can occur afterwards.
@@memcrew1 this is very true.
Mine was the opposite, while flying with the wings sweep, one wing moved forward, commanded, and resulted in an asymmetric stall.
Aww man it's a heart racer for sure. Did you save it.
@@rcpilotwill no unfortunately not. I am building a new one now, without using the freewing gyro.
That is the way to go. I'm not using a gyro at the moment but I'm going to use AS3X.
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Proof it flies with one wing back!
With the way I have it setup and a prayer it will fly but really get the heart pumping 😆
@@rcpilotwill I could tell you were working! Well done!
At an air show I spoke to an f14 pilot that this actually happened to. He managed to land the aircraft even though he had permission to eject ! The f14 did things that were above the design envelope. It had very few kills in its service life because when the enemy knew that f14 's were up, they stayed far far away from them !
Good safe 🫡
Thanks
100% the planes fault everyone I follow/I know who has this plane has had issues with it, mixing board glitches, servos freezing or getting bound up, I mean these issues never happened with the twin 80s so frequent.
Yeah but this was on me. I started to get the 80 but didn't want to have a 3rd jet that needs 2 lipos to fly 😆