Called battleships by everyone when it came out and into the War. Biggest, most powerful starship, more powerful than the Vorcha, and marginally more so than the D'Deridex. The Sovereign was more of a dreadnaught at the time. As more effective as an Iowa Class was to the Queen Elizabeth or Bayern Class.
Oh, man... a Galaxy Class ship with quantum torpedoes, improved photons and regenerative shielding capability. That would truly be an unstoppable ship for its era in the Prime Timeline.
I was happy with that result. That doesn't surprise me that there are actual different launchers inside the main one itself on the Galaxy class. That explains why it can fire a spread of 10 torpedoes at once. I have to agree that the Galaxy class would pretty much win every time. I also have to think that the Defiant would have beaten the Lakota. Captain Benteen stood down though when she realized Captain Sisko was right and couldn't bear knowing that she essentially be responsible for the death of 50 of her fellow officers if she had used those quantum torpedoes. Her orders were to disable the Defiant not destroy her. She thought she trusted the corrupt Admiral Layton but she trusted what Ben Sisko said even more.
Considering the Defiant took several significant hits before starting evasion maneuvers or firing back, yet still managed a draw with the Lakota, you have to think that the Defiant has a slight edge in a fair fight. Quantum torpedoes really would make it a very dangerously close fight though. I get the feeling whoever lands the first solid volley of QT's would almost certainly win the fight.
That was totally AMAZING the Lakota is definitely not a normal Excelsior class the Generations Enterprise D did quite well taking out the Lakota. I'd love 2 C the Generations Enterprise D vs Andromeda Ascendant
The sad thing about the Lakota is that is showed star fleet COULD have kept their fleet in a much more combat ready position. It was apathy that hurt starfleet so much during the war. Imagine having the fleet refitted like the lakota before combat broke out. The early days of the war would have been much different.
The Lakota was a test to see how far the older ships could be upgraded. It was decided that the time and resources to upgrade an Excelsior, one of the new classes could be constructed faster and for about the same resource cost. Obviously we dont have stats for the Lakota. However, just having more powerful Phasers and shields would require an new warp core and Impulse and aditional fusion generators,to generate the power. Then a replacement of the ESP power system to get the power to where its needed. Likely computer upgrades. The list goes on. Looking at RL capital ships that had major overhauls and refit. HMS Warspite when through a modernisation. Form March 1934 to March 1937. Those three years are a similar length of time to build her originally. Build cost when commissioned, £2,524,148 (1915). Modernation cost £2,363,000 (1937). This is the sort of massive chop job Lakota underwent. Its just not feasable to do it fleet wide. Some of the Queen Elizabeth class ships didnt even get any upgrades. As tying up five Battleship capable drydocks for three years was not viable. Not when new build Carriers and Battleships need the same docks, for construction.
I'd really like to see another video featuring the USS adder I know it's a strange design for a Starfleet ship but it's just the defiant class scaled up in my opinion and it's really interesting being that of a battleship! Please do another video with it
While the Star Fleet is picking up the pieces after the Changling/Borg alliance, Lt. Barclay is assigned the brevet position of 1st officer, with a skeleton crew on the Lakota. In the tedious and horrifying task of rescue and recovery, a pirate party has used the chaos to hijack a Galaxy-class ship. The captain of the Lakota is still on board another wrecked vessel, with radiation making transport impossible and sensors less than optimal. Reg is tasked with following the stolen vessel but is ordered not to engage until reinforcements take over the pursuit. The pirates have other plans. They launch a whole volley of quantum and photon torpedos while escaping and detonating them before they hit any pursuing ships. This maneuver is reminiscent of the Korg maneuver in the Dominion War. It works, clouding short- and long-range sensors, except Reg read the after-action report in that "glorious" operation and anticipated their move. He orders the helm to increase to full impulse. In doing so, the Lakota traveled past blast waves, overtaking the pirates and their prize. With no help to assist, Commander Barclay and his skeleton crew hold off the pirates, never trying to destroy them. This is made more difficult by the millions pieces of debris surrounding them. Finally, after taking numerous fatalities, Mr. Barclay throws down the gauntlet. "Chief DeForest, target their torpedo tubes and warp core, Lt. Auberjonois; Attack Pattern Nichols 2.0-Lt. Nimoy and Master Chief Doohan, I need more power to the shields. Chief Rand, prepare a security team for, for, anything...I guess? After the battle is won, it is discovered that the pirates had infiltrated the museum while Commodore Laforge was away (saving the galaxy). Their actual 'prize' wasn't a Galaxy-class starship but something else-something that is still classified to this day. Commander Barclay is reprimanded for disobeying orders (again) and given the 2nd highest award in Star Fleet for his actions. His crew receives promotions, commendations, and a special "thank you" from the President of the Federation. He is then assigned to the Lakota as the captain due to Adm. Paris, Janeway's recommendation, and Commodore LaForge's insistence. He and his crew are privileged to be the Federation Counsel's ambassadors' ship. When asked by his friend Diana Troy how he felt after all he had been through? All he could say was, "I have no words." (insert wink)
One thing i never see anyone do is put armor on a Galaxy class, in my opinion that was the Galaxy's biggest weakness its hull was to easily damaged. If the galaxy had been totally overhauled with a more powerful warp core, regen shields, quantum torpedos, ablative armor, and the main phaser halo's upgraded to mk12 it would have been absolutely terrifying in the Dominion Wars and arguably an even match with post nemesis ent-e. Its other main weakness is the single tube launchers and the 'exposed' warp core but armor would help with that. If they added twin quantum launchers to the front bottom edge of the saucer and a pair of twin launchers to the back of the neck they would be set for armorment.
To me the Ross class is what the upgraded galaxy class should have been, with the armor, upgraded weapons and warp core, if they had those in the dominion war then I think things would have been much better for Starfleet
Even with ST tech. That amount of armour needed for a Galaxy would have been huge. Armour is not light, even the Sci-Fi kind. The frame probably could not take the weight. using a RL battleship, USS Iowa. The main armour deck is5x the weight of the belt armour, for half the thickness. Its how much a deck in square feet or metres, It has to cover compared to the belt. Can the Defiant's armour even be made for a more conventional SF ship. The Defiant is basically a slab with few curves. So mostly flat plates of armour. Can the plates be made to fit the generally, very curvy hullforms of most SF ships. The Defiants armour seems to be super secret, burn before reading stuff. That Bentine states that the Defiant even HAVING armour is not in SF Commands databases. The Defiant only had it due to its original mission, Borg fighting. Where shields were not expected to be any use. Until other Defiant class ships wre magically built. The OG Defiant was the prototype, and only ship to have armour. Sisko and his design staff be have been the only ones who knew to to make the experimental armour. As the project was canned and Defiant mothballed. Data was just locked away in a dark box marked secret. After my little rant ^^ Do we want SF ships to have lots of armour as standard. It would take a lot of the suspense of shields being penetrated or coming down away. The Trek 'verse is very big on shields being the first, last and only defence againt attacks.
🤔😲Gosh Admiral.. this with the Lakota, I just watched last night ''Way of the Warrior 1 and 2'' Is this the Lakota with upgraded weapons like O'Brian mentioned.. lol. I would say the Galaxy would win, not sure, and in the show when Worf joined DS9 I did not know was after the Ent D got destroyed.. ''Generations'' wow Now I get it.. eeh.. This was wicked battle, in the show, Defiant had damage but the Lakota had more and both with quantums gosh.. brilliant tactics second time around Admiral.. well done gosh!!!😊🖖
Indeed it is the upgraded lakota! Such a spectacular 2 parter. One of the best battle scenes in all of Star Trek. Yes, Worf had to go somewhere 😂. It's a good thing they never used those quantum torpedoes. The defiant definitely came out on top on the show. Thanks Steve 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes was crazy how the Lakota arrived and the Defiant stopped, and Worf says '' We Fight'' eeh that was wicked battle, Yes now I know how Worf arrived there, eeh. missed that one, and yes, Lakota with quantums but damaged and Defiant, just a bit gosh that was scary!🖖*and the Captain of the Lakota said '' the Defiant has armor that no one mentioned '' nice !!
I would like to see the Generations D, without shields vs an old Klingon Bird of Prey, just like in the movie. I think just one salvo of torpedoes would be enough.
I remember that the quantum torpedoes were seen as a game ender in the fight between the Lakota and Defiant. The Lakota lost the battle because the captain didn't use the quantum torpedoes she had. The Lakota was serious challenge to the Defiant even without its quantum torpedo complement. Applying this to other battles makes it possible that even the mighty Galaxy Class might fall to the Lakota if those quantum torpedoes were being liberally used throughout the battle. The size of the Galaxy Class gives it a lot capabilities and strength, but it also makes it a rather large (and not nimble) target. The Galaxy does have very good shields to compensate, but quantum torpedoes were a game changer. Torpedoes were no longer those ineffective special effects that ships lobbed at each other.
It's using 10 torpedo tube scripts that fire in a synchronized spread so you can more easily simulate full (10) and half (5) torpedo spreads that expand radially from the launch location. I made some modifications on my own installation, in which all 10 torpedoes are launched as far away for each other (like 10 arm star) instead of the 5 armed one presented as default here, with a pair of torpedoes for each arm. They are supposed to be a single large launcher though, it's just the limitation of the game engine.
Based on in episode dialog. The Lakota was "far off worse" than the Defiant. In terms of going against the Dominion bug ships the Defiant Class was far better and would fare well against Voyagers alien of the week. Speaking of. I wonder how the Defiant would hold out against Janeways Voyager, Braxtons Equinox, and if help is needed I am sure Chakotay could ask the Maquis could send a few Raiders. Because this is set after Voyager used the tricolbalt torpedoes I wonder if that could be a fair fight.
@retro-badger-gamer love the content. Have you done the DS9 battle of Korg in the Klingon Bird of Prey against the 3 Jem Hadar fighters? He lost, but it was never shown on screen.
I think this is a much more accurate representation of what battling a Galaxy class would have been like. Except for those damn finicky magnetic interlocks
I think now you need to redo the double Galaxy class against the Odyssey class battle from last week but with the Generations Galaxy mod and see how that goes.
I'm satisfied with that result. The fight between Defiant and Lakota in Paradise Lost, both ships are holding back as neither wants to outright destroy the other and quantum torpedoes aren't used by either side. I believe if the fight had gone to knockouts without using quantums, Defiant would've won. Erika Benteen was a very skilled commander to put up such a good fight against Worf and Defiant. But she realised that Leyton had lied to her about Defiant being manned by Changelings, she could see that Defiant hadn't used quantum torps, and she could tell from Sisko's tone and words he wasn't lying. I think that Lakota using quantums from the start would be devastating. That first salvo is what does a good chunk of damage and if Lakota is waiting to reload quantums that's a lot of time to be dodging the Galaxy's torps. There's a part of me that kind of wishes we'd had Susan Gibney take on the role of Katherine Janeway in Voyager. The producers thought Gibney was too young to play a captain (she'd have been 34/35 during Voyager S1) so they cast Kate Mulgrew (who was 41 during Voyager S1).
There is a point-defense option on one of the two BCs. But, in general, phasers work, but the issue is the tracking takes too long for torpedoes at the usual engagement distances. But at maximum range they work. Worf shot down a Ferengi missile in TNG's *The Price.* In TNG's *Metamorphosis* Worf's experimental torpedo was out of range of the phasers after about 15 seconds. And in *Generations* Worf states it would take 7-11 seconds to shoot down Soran's solar probe.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 it would probably take away from the action, but autonomous point defense batteries with their own sensors should be on every ship.
3:59 There were not enough quantum torpedoes to go around. That is not to say that they did not gloss over so many of the Federation's assets. 5:43 Now that you have disabled the front torpedo launcher, does any model of the Galaxy-class come with the weapon that Starfleet had developed to fight the Borg (but Locutus rendered ineffective)?
Yes, you get the feeling quantums were a very limited resource..not really an issue in the bridge commander universe 😂. No, the deflector weapon isn't in bridge commander. I don't see why it couldn't be someday though 🖖
This makes me want to see if the RGB Galaxy class could take on two Generations Galaxy Class ships. Unlike the Lakota, that ship can PUMP out damage more readily. It’d likely lose…BUT if you employed this same strategy maybe you could eek out a victory.
I think ALL Excelsiors and Miranda's were in fact upgraded to the same level of the USS Lakota... sans maybe Quantum Torpedoes (the non-canon DS9 TM explains that Quantum torpedoes were difficult to produce, so they were only distributed to select ships at first - and as production ramps up, they'd find their way to all other ships). I highly doubt that SF would send outdated ships to fight the war. At any rate, I do think the Generations ENT-D was a bit underwhelming in the movie (considering how a 20 year old BoP was able to inflict significant damage to it even through the shields - I think the D should have easily dispatched with the BoP, shields or no shields). As for how the Generations Galaxy class would fair against the Lakota... not sure if it would actually. The Lakota was upgraded sometime after Generations movie... and that thing was able to go toe to toe with the Defiant (which had the luxury of ablative hull armour). All things considered, I think the Lakota would have probably had more success against the Generations Galaxy class. Now, if we were talking about pre-Dominion War upgrades to the galaxy (similar to what the Lakota underwent), then the situation would probably change... but it could still be awfully close.
"Now in reality, would this happen ? In the show ?" In the show, something a lot worse happened: A galaxy class was taken out by an outdated bird of prey. Okay, they had the shield frequency, but still I gotta ask: Is there anybody else who thinks that, in this movie, the Enterprise could still have won by everybody on the bridge being less hesitant and telling Mr. Worf something along the lines of "I know I've been holding you back for several seasons, but right now I really don't care if we have to return to starbase with no photons left to fire as long as you get us rid of that thing out there ?!" Instead they fired one phaser shot, were surprised that it didn't go through the shields, and then waited for a cloak activation workaround until they launched a then overkill salvo of 10 photons. I don't really understand that to this day. That being said, I have to agree that the Lakota proves that Starfleet could have done a lot better in the Dominion war. I would have loved to see a Miranda refit out there instead of the type getting shot up en masse in pretty much any encounter. I mean... having to serve on that type, no matter whether as captain or somewhere on the lower decks, and being ordered into one of those large fleet battles was pretty much a death sentence by the looks of it.
I was playing STO yesterday and I was flying past ESD in a shuttle and I flew past the excelsior class refit in front if ESD and noticed for the first time, in over 5 years if playing that it was the Lakota. Hopefully not EVERYBODY else knew that...
The Generations Galaxy... upgraded so it could lose to an old BoP :( man, I wish that hadn't happened. JTVFX has a great upcoming vid where they will rework that battle, adding more ships. It's in their recent trailer. Reckon you'd get a real kick out of their stuff if you haven't seen it already.
I can understand them not wanting to "damage" the Excelsior model beyond what had already occurred from its Big-E-B refit, but was it asking too much to put phaser strips on a refitted refit? They could have even done the USS Titan-A mixed loadout to show a lineage of that being a not-so-new concept...
I think that the upgrades of the Lakota put her on par with an Ambassador, perhaps even a Nebula-class vessel. However, a Galaxy-class would still be more powerful.
Interesting version of the Lakota, it seems to take significant hull damage from even a first volley of torpedoes with 75% shields. Maybe a glitch? It is supposed have ablative armor protecting it as well
Possibly. I've noticed that with a full spread this galaxy can damage the hull of any ship. The only thing I can think of if is the shield grid being overwhelmed? Not sure that's how it works though. Most likely a glitch like you say 😂
As far as pure kinetic energy goes, it's hard to compete with the Galaxy class output. That being said, pre-war tech is vastly inferior. I think the battle would likely be decided by tactics more than anything else.
@@RetroBadgerGaming I wonder if the Venture was upgraded when it showed up at DS9 in "The Way of the Warrior", if so it is probably pretty good Gowron ended the battle.
Sorry, but The Lakota should have wiped the floor against that Galaxy. First of all, the pre Dominion Galaxy's weren't that great. Everyone from the Tamarians ("Darmok") to average Ferengis in junkyard Bird of Preys ("Rascals"), were slapping them (Enterprise-D) around on a regular basis. In "Tin Man", that Romulan Warbird knocked down the Enterprise-D shields by 70% and caused a fair amount system/structural damage all within a matter of a few seconds. Again, that souped up Lakota should have done MUCH better.
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That 10 torpedo spread is so spicy. Just need that to be a 10 spread of quantum's front and rear, then even the mighty scimitar will tremble.
Good thing you didn't face a dominion war refit Galaxy. Those are absolutely brutal, called 'battleships' by the Cardassians.
Called battleships by everyone when it came out and into the War. Biggest, most powerful starship, more powerful than the Vorcha, and marginally more so than the D'Deridex. The Sovereign was more of a dreadnaught at the time. As more effective as an Iowa Class was to the Queen Elizabeth or Bayern Class.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 lmao, so cute
Oh, man... a Galaxy Class ship with quantum torpedoes, improved photons and regenerative shielding capability. That would truly be an unstoppable ship for its era in the Prime Timeline.
Can you imagine if they added pulse phaser cannons at each angle of the ship? Holy crap total beast!
I was happy with that result. That doesn't surprise me that there are actual different launchers inside the main one itself on the Galaxy class. That explains why it can fire a spread of 10 torpedoes at once.
I have to agree that the Galaxy class would pretty much win every time.
I also have to think that the Defiant would have beaten the Lakota. Captain Benteen stood down though when she realized Captain Sisko was right and couldn't bear knowing that she essentially be responsible for the death of 50 of her fellow officers if she had used those quantum torpedoes. Her orders were to disable the Defiant not destroy her. She thought she trusted the corrupt Admiral Layton but she trusted what Ben Sisko said even more.
Considering the Defiant took several significant hits before starting evasion maneuvers or firing back, yet still managed a draw with the Lakota, you have to think that the Defiant has a slight edge in a fair fight.
Quantum torpedoes really would make it a very dangerously close fight though. I get the feeling whoever lands the first solid volley of QT's would almost certainly win the fight.
@@chronoreverse You got a point there.
Cant keep a good Galaxy class down (:
Unless Riker is in command.
@@grndiesel Or Troy at the Helm (:
That was totally AMAZING the Lakota is definitely not a normal Excelsior class the Generations Enterprise D did quite well taking out the Lakota. I'd love 2 C the Generations Enterprise D vs Andromeda Ascendant
The sad thing about the Lakota is that is showed star fleet COULD have kept their fleet in a much more combat ready position. It was apathy that hurt starfleet so much during the war. Imagine having the fleet refitted like the lakota before combat broke out. The early days of the war would have been much different.
Yes, but also it takes a lot of time and effort to comprehensively refit an old ship, when ones focus is building new ships.
The Lakota was a test to see how far the older ships could be upgraded. It was decided that the time and resources to upgrade an Excelsior, one of the new classes could be constructed faster and for about the same resource cost. Obviously we dont have stats for the Lakota. However, just having more powerful Phasers and shields would require an new warp core and Impulse and aditional fusion generators,to generate the power. Then a replacement of the ESP power system to get the power to where its needed. Likely computer upgrades. The list goes on.
Looking at RL capital ships that had major overhauls and refit. HMS Warspite when through a modernisation. Form March 1934 to March 1937. Those three years are a similar length of time to build her originally. Build cost when commissioned, £2,524,148 (1915). Modernation cost £2,363,000 (1937). This is the sort of massive chop job Lakota underwent. Its just not feasable to do it fleet wide. Some of the Queen Elizabeth class ships didnt even get any upgrades. As tying up five Battleship capable drydocks for three years was not viable. Not when new build Carriers and Battleships need the same docks, for construction.
I'd really like to see another video featuring the USS adder I know it's a strange design for a Starfleet ship but it's just the defiant class scaled up in my opinion and it's really interesting being that of a battleship! Please do another video with it
While the Star Fleet is picking up the pieces after the Changling/Borg alliance, Lt. Barclay is assigned the brevet position of 1st officer, with a skeleton crew on the Lakota. In the tedious and horrifying task of rescue and recovery, a pirate party has used the chaos to hijack a Galaxy-class ship. The captain of the Lakota is still on board another wrecked vessel, with radiation making transport impossible and sensors less than optimal.
Reg is tasked with following the stolen vessel but is ordered not to engage until reinforcements take over the pursuit. The pirates have other plans. They launch a whole volley of quantum and photon torpedos while escaping and detonating them before they hit any pursuing ships. This maneuver is reminiscent of the Korg maneuver in the Dominion War. It works, clouding short- and long-range sensors, except Reg read the after-action report in that "glorious" operation and anticipated their move. He orders the helm to increase to full impulse. In doing so, the Lakota traveled past blast waves, overtaking the pirates and their prize. With no help to assist, Commander Barclay and his skeleton crew hold off the pirates, never trying to destroy them. This is made more difficult by the millions pieces of debris surrounding them.
Finally, after taking numerous fatalities, Mr. Barclay throws down the gauntlet. "Chief DeForest, target their torpedo tubes and warp core, Lt. Auberjonois; Attack Pattern Nichols 2.0-Lt. Nimoy and Master Chief Doohan, I need more power to the shields. Chief Rand, prepare a security team for, for, anything...I guess?
After the battle is won, it is discovered that the pirates had infiltrated the museum while Commodore Laforge was away (saving the galaxy). Their actual 'prize' wasn't a Galaxy-class starship but something else-something that is still classified to this day.
Commander Barclay is reprimanded for disobeying orders (again) and given the 2nd highest award in Star Fleet for his actions. His crew receives promotions, commendations, and a special "thank you" from the President of the Federation. He is then assigned to the Lakota as the captain due to Adm. Paris, Janeway's recommendation, and Commodore LaForge's insistence. He and his crew are privileged to be the Federation Counsel's ambassadors' ship. When asked by his friend Diana Troy how he felt after all he had been through? All he could say was, "I have no words." (insert wink)
Al Videos with the Galaxy Class are very funny ever 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖!!!
One thing i never see anyone do is put armor on a Galaxy class, in my opinion that was the Galaxy's biggest weakness its hull was to easily damaged. If the galaxy had been totally overhauled with a more powerful warp core, regen shields, quantum torpedos, ablative armor, and the main phaser halo's upgraded to mk12 it would have been absolutely terrifying in the Dominion Wars and arguably an even match with post nemesis ent-e. Its other main weakness is the single tube launchers and the 'exposed' warp core but armor would help with that. If they added twin quantum launchers to the front bottom edge of the saucer and a pair of twin launchers to the back of the neck they would be set for armorment.
Thats true
Really only needed armor around the starboard power coupling.
I like this!
To me the Ross class is what the upgraded galaxy class should have been, with the armor, upgraded weapons and warp core, if they had those in the dominion war then I think things would have been much better for Starfleet
Even with ST tech. That amount of armour needed for a Galaxy would have been huge. Armour is not light, even the Sci-Fi kind. The frame probably could not take the weight. using a RL battleship, USS Iowa. The main armour deck is5x the weight of the belt armour, for half the thickness. Its how much a deck in square feet or metres, It has to cover compared to the belt.
Can the Defiant's armour even be made for a more conventional SF ship. The Defiant is basically a slab with few curves. So mostly flat plates of armour. Can the plates be made to fit the generally, very curvy hullforms of most SF ships.
The Defiants armour seems to be super secret, burn before reading stuff. That Bentine states that the Defiant even HAVING armour is not in SF Commands databases. The Defiant only had it due to its original mission, Borg fighting. Where shields were not expected to be any use. Until other Defiant class ships wre magically built. The OG Defiant was the prototype, and only ship to have armour. Sisko and his design staff be have been the only ones who knew to to make the experimental armour. As the project was canned and Defiant mothballed. Data was just locked away in a dark box marked secret.
After my little rant ^^
Do we want SF ships to have lots of armour as standard. It would take a lot of the suspense of shields being penetrated or coming down away. The Trek 'verse is very big on shields being the first, last and only defence againt attacks.
🤔😲Gosh Admiral.. this with the Lakota, I just watched last night ''Way of the Warrior 1 and 2'' Is this the Lakota with upgraded weapons like O'Brian mentioned.. lol. I would say the Galaxy would win, not sure, and in the show when Worf joined DS9 I did not know was after the Ent D got destroyed.. ''Generations'' wow Now I get it.. eeh.. This was wicked battle, in the show, Defiant had damage but the Lakota had more and both with quantums gosh.. brilliant tactics second time around Admiral.. well done gosh!!!😊🖖
Indeed it is the upgraded lakota! Such a spectacular 2 parter. One of the best battle scenes in all of Star Trek. Yes, Worf had to go somewhere 😂. It's a good thing they never used those quantum torpedoes. The defiant definitely came out on top on the show. Thanks Steve 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes was crazy how the Lakota arrived and the Defiant stopped, and Worf says '' We Fight'' eeh that was wicked battle, Yes now I know how Worf arrived there, eeh. missed that one, and yes, Lakota with quantums but damaged and Defiant, just a bit gosh that was scary!🖖*and the Captain of the Lakota said '' the Defiant has armor that no one mentioned '' nice !!
I would like to see the Generations D, without shields vs an old Klingon Bird of Prey, just like in the movie. I think just one salvo of torpedoes would be enough.
Enterprise D for the win... Ty for the video and LLAP!
Thanks for watching 🖖
I remember that the quantum torpedoes were seen as a game ender in the fight between the Lakota and Defiant. The Lakota lost the battle because the captain didn't use the quantum torpedoes she had. The Lakota was serious challenge to the Defiant even without its quantum torpedo complement.
Applying this to other battles makes it possible that even the mighty Galaxy Class might fall to the Lakota if those quantum torpedoes were being liberally used throughout the battle. The size of the Galaxy Class gives it a lot capabilities and strength, but it also makes it a rather large (and not nimble) target. The Galaxy does have very good shields to compensate, but quantum torpedoes were a game changer. Torpedoes were no longer those ineffective special effects that ships lobbed at each other.
Would love to see the Lakota vs the excelsior 2!
That was a spicy battle its always fun to watch a galaxy class in battle win or lose its going to be epic
The generations Galaxy comes with crew nurfing, they lost to beat up BOP, and no one thought to rotate shields...
It's using 10 torpedo tube scripts that fire in a synchronized spread so you can more easily simulate full (10) and half (5) torpedo spreads that expand radially from the launch location. I made some modifications on my own installation, in which all 10 torpedoes are launched as far away for each other (like 10 arm star) instead of the 5 armed one presented as default here, with a pair of torpedoes for each arm. They are supposed to be a single large launcher though, it's just the limitation of the game engine.
Based on in episode dialog. The Lakota was "far off worse" than the Defiant. In terms of going against the Dominion bug ships the Defiant Class was far better and would fare well against Voyagers alien of the week.
Speaking of. I wonder how the Defiant would hold out against Janeways Voyager, Braxtons Equinox, and if help is needed I am sure Chakotay could ask the Maquis could send a few Raiders.
Because this is set after Voyager used the tricolbalt torpedoes I wonder if that could be a fair fight.
at least the enterprise d didn't have borg killer crusher at tactical.
Don't make the Galaxy angry, you won't like it when it's angry! Like the Hulk 🖖
I’d want to see an upgraded Galaxy that fires quantum torpedoes with ablative hull and phase cannons.
@retro-badger-gamer love the content. Have you done the DS9 battle of Korg in the Klingon Bird of Prey against the 3 Jem Hadar fighters? He lost, but it was never shown on screen.
I think this is a much more accurate representation of what battling a Galaxy class would have been like. Except for those damn finicky magnetic interlocks
What I think is that without their inside knowledge on the D's shields, Lursa and B'etor would have been nerfed in Generations :)
Great battle!
I think now you need to redo the double Galaxy class against the Odyssey class battle from last week but with the Generations Galaxy mod and see how that goes.
I'm satisfied with that result. The fight between Defiant and Lakota in Paradise Lost, both ships are holding back as neither wants to outright destroy the other and quantum torpedoes aren't used by either side. I believe if the fight had gone to knockouts without using quantums, Defiant would've won. Erika Benteen was a very skilled commander to put up such a good fight against Worf and Defiant. But she realised that Leyton had lied to her about Defiant being manned by Changelings, she could see that Defiant hadn't used quantum torps, and she could tell from Sisko's tone and words he wasn't lying.
I think that Lakota using quantums from the start would be devastating. That first salvo is what does a good chunk of damage and if Lakota is waiting to reload quantums that's a lot of time to be dodging the Galaxy's torps.
There's a part of me that kind of wishes we'd had Susan Gibney take on the role of Katherine Janeway in Voyager. The producers thought Gibney was too young to play a captain (she'd have been 34/35 during Voyager S1) so they cast Kate Mulgrew (who was 41 during Voyager S1).
Still amazed that the federation does not have point defense weapons vs torpedoes
There is a point-defense option on one of the two BCs. But, in general, phasers work, but the issue is the tracking takes too long for torpedoes at the usual engagement distances. But at maximum range they work. Worf shot down a Ferengi missile in TNG's *The Price.* In TNG's *Metamorphosis* Worf's experimental torpedo was out of range of the phasers after about 15 seconds. And in *Generations* Worf states it would take 7-11 seconds to shoot down Soran's solar probe.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 it would probably take away from the action, but autonomous point defense batteries with their own sensors should be on every ship.
I'm not sure that this would have ended the way it did. I think the Galaxy class with Picard would have won
So the generations Enterprise vs a refit Excelsior would be a excellent watch
3:59 There were not enough quantum torpedoes to go around. That is not to say that they did not gloss over so many of the Federation's assets.
5:43 Now that you have disabled the front torpedo launcher, does any model of the Galaxy-class come with the weapon that Starfleet had developed to fight the Borg (but Locutus rendered ineffective)?
Yes, you get the feeling quantums were a very limited resource..not really an issue in the bridge commander universe 😂. No, the deflector weapon isn't in bridge commander. I don't see why it couldn't be someday though 🖖
Request Galaxy X class versus Sovereign X class
It's strange because both ships are good. Goes to show the resilience of Starfleet design but the enterprise galaxy Is the ship of my childhood 😊
I still say this game nerfs the Galaxy class, now way is even the Lakota is taking down any Galaxy class.
This makes me want to see if the RGB Galaxy class could take on two Generations Galaxy Class ships. Unlike the Lakota, that ship can PUMP out damage more readily. It’d likely lose…BUT if you employed this same strategy maybe you could eek out a victory.
I think ALL Excelsiors and Miranda's were in fact upgraded to the same level of the USS Lakota... sans maybe Quantum Torpedoes (the non-canon DS9 TM explains that Quantum torpedoes were difficult to produce, so they were only distributed to select ships at first - and as production ramps up, they'd find their way to all other ships).
I highly doubt that SF would send outdated ships to fight the war.
At any rate, I do think the Generations ENT-D was a bit underwhelming in the movie (considering how a 20 year old BoP was able to inflict significant damage to it even through the shields - I think the D should have easily dispatched with the BoP, shields or no shields).
As for how the Generations Galaxy class would fair against the Lakota... not sure if it would actually.
The Lakota was upgraded sometime after Generations movie... and that thing was able to go toe to toe with the Defiant (which had the luxury of ablative hull armour).
All things considered, I think the Lakota would have probably had more success against the Generations Galaxy class.
Now, if we were talking about pre-Dominion War upgrades to the galaxy (similar to what the Lakota underwent), then the situation would probably change... but it could still be awfully close.
The Galaxy class is very formidable when Deanna Troi isn't piloting it!
It wasn't her fault. Riker told her to make a log entry, but didn't say he didn't mean a forest.
"Now in reality, would this happen ? In the show ?"
In the show, something a lot worse happened: A galaxy class was taken out by an outdated bird of prey. Okay, they had the shield frequency, but still I gotta ask: Is there anybody else who thinks that, in this movie, the Enterprise could still have won by everybody on the bridge being less hesitant and telling Mr. Worf something along the lines of "I know I've been holding you back for several seasons, but right now I really don't care if we have to return to starbase with no photons left to fire as long as you get us rid of that thing out there ?!"
Instead they fired one phaser shot, were surprised that it didn't go through the shields, and then waited for a cloak activation workaround until they launched a then overkill salvo of 10 photons. I don't really understand that to this day.
That being said, I have to agree that the Lakota proves that Starfleet could have done a lot better in the Dominion war. I would have loved to see a Miranda refit out there instead of the type getting shot up en masse in pretty much any encounter. I mean... having to serve on that type, no matter whether as captain or somewhere on the lower decks, and being ordered into one of those large fleet battles was pretty much a death sentence by the looks of it.
I love the Galaxy class! Hate the Excelsior class!
I was playing STO yesterday and I was flying past ESD in a shuttle and I flew past the excelsior class refit in front if ESD and noticed for the first time, in over 5 years if playing that it was the Lakota. Hopefully not EVERYBODY else knew that...
No way! Well spotted. Never knew that 😲
Request Kelvin Galaxy vs USS Vengeance.
With the right tactics dealing with a galaxy would be doable.
The Generations Galaxy... upgraded so it could lose to an old BoP :( man, I wish that hadn't happened. JTVFX has a great upcoming vid where they will rework that battle, adding more ships. It's in their recent trailer. Reckon you'd get a real kick out of their stuff if you haven't seen it already.
I can understand them not wanting to "damage" the Excelsior model beyond what had already occurred from its Big-E-B refit, but was it asking too much to put phaser strips on a refitted refit? They could have even done the USS Titan-A mixed loadout to show a lineage of that being a not-so-new concept...
I think that the upgrades of the Lakota put her on par with an Ambassador, perhaps even a Nebula-class vessel. However, a Galaxy-class would still be more powerful.
That shot of the Galaxy flinging torpedoes at you, at 4:01, with pure distain. Sexy.
Interesting version of the Lakota, it seems to take significant hull damage from even a first volley of torpedoes with 75% shields. Maybe a glitch? It is supposed have ablative armor protecting it as well
Possibly. I've noticed that with a full spread this galaxy can damage the hull of any ship. The only thing I can think of if is the shield grid being overwhelmed? Not sure that's how it works though. Most likely a glitch like you say 😂
Use the rbg dominion war version
No contest.
As far as pure kinetic energy goes, it's hard to compete with the Galaxy class output. That being said, pre-war tech is vastly inferior. I think the battle would likely be decided by tactics more than anything else.
I want another Star Trek series set in the TNG era
Same... I think it's possible..someday 🖖
Galaxy class for the win.
If it was cannon accurate I would have focused on that starboard power coupling
Would you be willing to try a borg cube versus Earth space dock
What did they do reuse excelsior class nacelles??
The easiest way to defeat the Galaxy is to take out its torpedoes. Without them they are cooked.
How do we win this battle?
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We fight! 💪
Glorious!
I want a quantum torpedo full spread (10x at once)
Targeting vital subsystems when the enemy can't is cheating.
Do the Enterprise D vs a Star Destroyer
Have you taken the Generations Ent-D against the Defiant?
I need to check.. will add it to the list if not. I doubt the defiant would do to well against a 10 torpedo salvo 🖖
First comment. Hey-o!
Is there a Dominion War Galaxy in the game?
Yes, there is the Venture and the RBG Galaxy Class 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming I wonder if the Venture was upgraded when it showed up at DS9 in "The Way of the Warrior", if so it is probably pretty good Gowron ended the battle.
Galaxy vs Dominion warship
Sorry, but The Lakota should have wiped the floor against that Galaxy. First of all, the pre Dominion Galaxy's weren't that great. Everyone from the Tamarians ("Darmok") to average Ferengis in junkyard Bird of Preys ("Rascals"), were slapping them (Enterprise-D) around on a regular basis. In "Tin Man", that Romulan Warbird knocked down the Enterprise-D shields by 70% and caused a fair amount system/structural damage all within a matter of a few seconds. Again, that souped up Lakota should have done MUCH better.
Dominion war galaxy refit would fare better (venture variant)
Imagine doing that to a 20 year old BoP
makes generations final battle a steaming pile of (poo)
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Galaxy class is overrated and even a out of date bird of prey can destroy it, lol
Hey boss, you had the Enterprise B fighting a Enterprise D.