Catalina 30 - Catalina Smile repair part 1. Would this Keel of fallen off?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- The Sailing Project Artemis S4. Ep 76
Happy Monday all. The sailing season is over, however the work season just started for the Catalina 30's. This week we start the keel repair on the 1982 Catalina 30. This is part 1 keep your eyes out for the next portion..
Cheers all !
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Great job taking your time explaining what is being done on this video
Beyond sick and tired of all the "glorious no problems" videos out there
Keep them coming
Much appreciated! Thank you for watching
You should know that your videos are by far the best boat rest vids on here
looking forward to the next one
Thank you Frank
great video. i like it as you are down the earth with your comments. most of the youtubers are trying to make the repairs as it would be new factory boat, using these super expensive materials, marine surveyors etc. and then crying that this was bancrupting them. i have same opinion-when you have used boat-you can do every work rather cheaply by yourself, probably except the engine. well done
@@chicken2000-j1e thank you very much
I can't speak for sailboats specifically, but engine work is generally cheap if you can DIY. For example, brake pads for my old vehicle were like $25 a wheel (with warranty) but the entire brake job cost me $350. The labor on mechanical work can be a lot. So if you learn what to do on your engines, you can save a lot of money. That being said, it can be a PITA to do the work yourself depending on the type of work that needs done. Sometimes it's worth it to pay the cost of labor lol.
Love these videos
Been looking forward to this repair
Thank you for taking it slow and not over editing
More to come! thank you for watcing
if you have any questions please let me know
Another great video Brian. You are inspiring all of us to not be afraid of doing this stuff and doing it right. Can't wait to see you finish this one. Keep them coming!! Cheers.
Thank you my friend
Means a lot that you guys enjoy these videos
It makes making them all the more enjoyable for me knowing that they help others out
I love watching you on here
You really have made me realize all of this can be done
thank you
Thank you
as always you are welcome to hit me up if you get stuck on a project
I just got a 1981 Catalina 30 with a smile. Ur previous video is what gave me the confidence to buy the boat. I will be grinding in a few days and epoxy in the spring. Look forward to seeing the next installment to the repair.
Just made me smile. Beyond happy that I inspired you to do this
Feel free to reach out if you get stuck
@@Sailing.Artemis thanks, Brian!
@@counterpunch1000 any time
Got to do this exact same job on my Catalina 30 TR 1980, hopefully will start this spring. Looking forward for the next videos and thanks for sharing the whole process, really helpful.
My pleasure
Are you local to me?
And feel free to reach out if you need assistance
@@Sailing.ArtemisI’m up in the great white north eh! Curious about when to glass or just fair compound, not sure how deep I’ll have to grind yet. Thank
@@Pauljustin75 need to wait till it warms up
Feel free to dm me on insta or FB ad you can share photos
Brian, like others, PPE is critical as you know. But what the heck your beard was amazing!
lol yes you are correct.. I will try to remember to bring my mask ect next time
and it will be back I tend to trim it at least twice a year
You make it look so easy thanks
Lol I have done lots of these more than willing to help
Thanks for the video.. gotta do this to mine.
My pleasure
if you are local to me i would even be willing to give you a hand
Part 2 will prob not be out till it warms up
I'm in raritan bay, NJ
when are you planing on doing this
also if you dont mind text me on fb or insta
Love your safety glasses...
A little bit of stress?
You have cracked keel.. Don't worry about it?
@@erichschinzel6486 it's not cracked
The joint is flexing in turn creating an opening
This called a smile
Very common problem
Also the glasses are rated for impact
Perfect
thank you for taking your time to explain
as always well done
And Brian please remember you mask next time
Noted! LOL
Great Video need more of you guys doing this
Yes we do.
people just dont get how easy all of this is
just found your today
wow thank you for making these super helpful
Glad you like them! let me know if you ever have any questions
welcome
This video came at a good time for me, thank you. Will you video the 2nd part too please
Glad you enjoyed
The only issue is the weather
The 2nd part will not come out till we get over 50 here in NY
I do have a Catalina keep start to finish up but it is not as in depth
I believe it is in season 2
But I promise to get up the next installments of this process asap
Brian I have C30 #203 1976 when I bought it in 1997. It had the smile. I ground it out and there was a 1/4” gap
About 2’ in from the front. I filled it with 5200 glassed it in and sailed it for 20 years. I sail out of Sandusky Ohio
In 2015 I swapped my A4 for a Universal diesel. I took the boat to Lake Huron trying to get to the North Channel
I messed up an ended sideways looking at the sky in 2’ of water I was 3 miles off shore. Long story short
I got home and the insurance wanted it fixed. Well in the spring I took it to a marina they raised the hull off the keel . Here’s what you need to hear when they built my boat they used 2 3/4 partial boards under the keel bolts
There was nothing but mush when got in there. The smile is caused by this 11/2” gap under the bolts
They ran heaters 24/7 for months in 90 degree heat to get the moisture out to do the fiberglass work.
Yeah I'll never understand why they used wood
This is my 5th keel job this year 3 on Catalina's
Got them down to a science as long as the stub isn't rotten
Glad you are enjoying yours 😀
part 2? ... great video , great channel, greetings from Portugal 🇵🇹
Thank you for watching and welcoming to the channel. hope it helps
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
I think is the Éricson that comes with encapsulated keels. Since the Catalina shows her beautiful smile, but if you encapsulate the keel real good can you avoid the keel falling off like the cheeky rafity ?
Hmmm that would be a huge project however anything is possible
@@Sailing.Artemis my idea is to make it a bit more storm ready
Everybody knows what kind of fiberglass they made in Catalina's in 1980 81 and 82
You'd be all right sailing on a lake 😂
super thanks
My pleasure
If you have any questions feel free to reach out on FB
I had the exact same type of flaking off the keel fairing on my 188 C30 and that was the factory fairing because it was under the barrier coat that was put on by the original dealer when new. I am the second owner and have had my boat for 25-years and the fairing started coming off about 6-years ago.
What grit did you sand the keel with? In the final screen the exposed lead appears to be very shinny and it is tough to get paint or fairing compound to stick to it. When I did mine, I sanded the lead with 40-grit and immediately coated it with unthickened epoxy resin to seal the lead. Lead oxidizes very quickly and if it is not sealed right after the final sand, it will form an oxide layer that makes the bond weaker than if it is not oxidized. I then checked the epoxy and as soon as it was no longer wet to the touch, I applied the faring compound [wet on tacky] It is best when the epoxy will still leave a fingerprint but will not come off on your finger. that way there is no amine blush and you do not need to sand before adding the fairing.
Yes the lead will need to be treated prior to adding fairing and or glass
This is stage 1
Stage 2 will be 40 grit and heat then it will get the first coating
This is only step 1 in a long process
This is my 5th keel this year
I wanted to document the process for people getting ready to do theirs 🤠🤠🤠
I don't plan on repairing my smile with fiberglass, but are there rules to follow for how many layers or overlap with the old hardened glass? Is it ever done with each layer in an opposite direction?
I don't recommend glass as well however sometimes it's needed like the back of mine the owner of the 82 wanted glass as well and I'm not sure why
I use chop strand and at least two layers
Then blended and faired
Again you don't need it
Total fair is more than ample
Mile looks factory after 4 seasons
What material is the keel stub made of?
Also that lead dust...yikes. i suppose a tyvek suit, gloves and full face respirator is the way to go?
Keel stub is glass and wood
Yes I should of been in a suit
I think in newer boats Catalina uses different materials for the keel stub, no?
@@volvotango8363 yes 1988 went to a full glass stub
And that was around 36 years ago so it looks like that was a good fix. Are Catalina Smiles now a thing of the past?
@@volvotango8363 well yes and no
I find them on newer boats but that's generally from a grounding or lack of maintenance
Mine looks exactly the same way as yours. I'm concerned about the bolt on the inside, though, because somebody had glassed on the inside and tried to repair it. Were you able to get yours to tighten up completely or did you just fill it?
Hi, Yes we were able to tighten the bolts to spec
that is one of the reasons i was pushing someone to buy this old girl. The stub is solid
as for you if you send me some photos I would be happy to take a look for you
it is critical to tighten them
It's bottled up for the winter right now, but maybe in the Spring. I'll be able to get some pictures of it. What they did was they put some fiberglass down where I think it was weak and then bolted it back down.
@@garrylycos4795 well when you start let me know
can you encapsulate the entire keel thnaks
With glass or fairing compound
I am talking about with glass to prevent any future smiles
@@Sailing.Artemis
Not another one lol
Number 6 lol lol 😂😅😅😅
No vacuum sander? Really? Very crude and bad practice!
Nope
And not required
Definitely required in all boatyards that care about pollution and clean water. Maybe not where you are, but it is still “best practice” in the marine industry.
As a marine surveyor I appreciate breathing FG dust free air!
@@jimmaupin46 well you would hate our yards up here 🙊
Where are you guys located? I am in Port Townsend, WA, north and west of Seattle. Our State and the Feds can shut down our yards that discharge too much stuff into the water, and everything does blow or get washed into water, of course. So we use Festool or Fein vacuum sanders made in Germany, rented in our yards or people buy them for their yearly sanding projects. .@@Sailing.Artemis