What Are Indoles? Indolic Fragrances White Floral Perfumes Dirty Hot Sexy Jasmine Perfume Science
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🌟 About this video:
So this video has been coming for a while. I'd planned a few versions of it a while back and not filmed it, then both
@scentedsnowdrops (Instagram: / scentedsnowdrops ) and @CarmenScentrix and someone else (if this is you, please remind me... my memory has failed me) requested this, so here it is...
This video is part of my perfume science series 👩🔬: • Perfume Science
If you don't know, I'm a scientist in my day job, and so I try my best to give you another view occasionally on the whys of what we like or dislike in perfumes and perfumery. I try to answer the questions that I have about subjects in the hope that those will be the things that you want to know too.
Indoles are effectively the oysters of the perfume world, they are a love it or hate it fragrance, and they seem to have some aphrodisiac hold over us. But why is that? What are indoles for? And why do some of us smell something we can't get enough of in them? There's a lot to discuss with indoles... I also try to find you some beginner and more serious indolic perfumes to sniff.
So which are you favourite indolic fragrances? Do you love white floral perfumes? Do you prefer your florals prim and proper or sensual and beguiling? Were indoles love at first sniff for you? What was your first indolic perfume, whether it was love or hate?
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🌟 Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Shameless plug... sorry.
1:20 What are indoles? Specific examples of indoles / related compounds and Hershey's chocolate.
3:18 Why can indoles smell so good in fragrance and so bad elsewhere? The beauty of indoles vs smelly wet dog.
4:32 Why do we and other animals like indoles? Ancient indoles.
4:56 What are indoles for? Clues, signals and information.
6:55 Which flowers contain the most indoles? You probably guessed...
8:21 Why aren't all white floral perfumes indolic? Modern designer prudery.
12.02 What is it that makes indoles so attractive or repulsive to us? Society, experience, genetics.
13:50 What do indoles do to us? True signals and primal urges.
15:18 Why do we always want more? Well...
16:23 So you're interested... But not sure... What should you consider?
17:56 Me being me
18:50 Where should you go sniff some indoles? Beginner
19:56 Is it or isn't it? Or is it something else?
20:57 Stepping up a gear...
21:39 Cumin and animalics too, sheesh.
22:44 Try a spray for free hopefully.
23:22 On the high street.
23:57 Vintage baby! Yeah!
🌟 Perfumes mentioned:
Diptyque Olene EDT
Gucci Bloom Nettare Di Fiore
Jean Patou Joy
Lush Lust
(Thierry) Mugler Alien EDP
Papillon Artisan Perfumery Salome
Serge Lutens A La Nuit
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Please help me understand your taxonomy. I always thought indole was a specific chemical (C8H7N). Is it rather a _class_ of compounds? Or are you using the word indolic to refer to a fragrance family or _type_ of smell, e.g. green; floral; spicy? Jasmine aside, I think subliminal indole/animalics are to perfume what varnish is to painting; it provides an even level of gloss or mattness and, especially if the vanish is yellowed or slightly tinted, it unifies the colors and adds depth. The Sistine Chapel ceiling, for example, used to look quite 'indolic,' but after conservators removed centuries of smoke and filth in the 80s-90s, it read as more of a 'freshy.'
Hi Michelle, thanky you so much for your comment, apologies that YT put in junk, I fished it out... yes I think I made a mistake here, please accept my deepest apologies, so indole is a specific chemical, but there is also a group of chemicals with that two ring structure that are termed indoles. I believe skatole is one of these. On the other hand, cadaverine, putrescine and butyric acid are not indoles, this is a mistake in the video, they are the breakdown products of amino acids or adducts of indole or related compounds in the same pathways and are found in similar places, e.g. the gut and the oral cavity... I am very sorry for my mistake, I trusted sources to be correct. I normally look up chemical structures and put each in the video, but here I didn't. This would have made me realise that cadaverine, putrescine and butyrate are just related compounds, rather indoles themselves, although I should have guessed from the names 🤦♀️ what a mistake 🤦♀️ anyway, these compounds do give off unpleasant odours.
With using indoles in relation to fragrance, I'm talking about the florals and other fragrances that have a touch of something bodily, if you've smelt it you will know I think... I do think the line blurs when there are musks and other animalics in the composition though. And I totally get the Sistine chapel ceiling comparison 😊
@@dr.claire.perfume Thank you!
@@dr.claire.perfume yes, skatole is an indole. Specifically methyl indole. It's amazing the difference in odor that adding a single methyl group can make! 😮
“Smells like close damp warm skin after something naughty”
Oh 😮my…..Claire!!!!
Love your videos 💛
Always entertaining while being informative.
You enjoying my hammy acting? 😂 I couldn't not here 😂
She really is the best!! This channel is soo underrated!!!
@@CarmenScentrix thanks Carmen 😉
I like indolic fragrance ❤🌸🌺🌹🌞for several years ago I was afraid of heavy fragrances. Now I love many types of fragrances
Yes for sure! Your taste expands as you try more fragrances I think! 👍
When I visited Europe I loved the chocolate sooo much more than here in America!! Now I understand why 😊
Buy the way I bought a lot of chocolate different types and brought them home as gifts everyone loved them 😍👍
My brother lives in the US and his children love UK chocolate, he always takes a suitcase. Of chocolate home 😂 I'm sure some US chocolate must be European style now though? It can't all taste like Hersheys?! Or does it?
Wow, a total indolic education! Fantastic! I don't know that I've ever experienced the VERY indolic/dirty in perfumery but I can say that I've always loved jasmine and white florals. I adore Alien and have worn both Lust and Fracas among others. I love a sexy, heady floral 😊.
Great video!
Me neither really. I am very much beginner. I tried Sana jardin savage jasmine a few weeks ago and that really reminded me of lush lust. I actually thing flying fox was probably more indolic but that's been discontinued. I didn't used to appreciate white florals much at all, but I really enjoy them now, I think it's something that I will gravitate towards more and more... Thanks for watching Amy! ❤️
Thanks for an informative video. I first discovered a love of indoles on others was with Molinard Jasmin. This is beautiful, but I was astounded by how much it changed on my partner's skin versus off the test paper. It produced a visceral reaction in me and I highly recommend it for a great indolic jasmine.
Ooh you are the second person to recommend a Molinard fragrance to me just today! I've tried a few from them and liked them, but I've not tried that one... Yes! Indolic jasmine is grr and mmm isn't it?! 😂 Thanks for watching 🥰
This was so fascinating! It sparked a long-ago memory of freshman Chemistry class when our professor told us that the same chemical used to make margarine smell more like butter is the same chemical that’s in foot funk. Now I’m wondering if it was butyric acid he was referring to. Anyway, I love an indolic jasmine, but there are some that have a more body odor smell, which I don’t like, and others that are more sex-ish, which I do like. It’s so interesting. Loving these scientific deep-dives a lot!
Wow, maybe you're right and that is butyric acid too 🤯 butyric acid turns my stomach... And yes I also know what you mean about there being different types of indolic jasmine. Ones that are more carnal and ones that are just stinky! Thanks for watching Kim! ❤️
It’s funny because I asked myself what indolic means about two-three weeks ago and here you are this morning! Very informative as usual! 👍🏻
Glad I could help... I think we all have these questions ❤️
"Steamy Saucy event in your life" 😂😂😂 your humor makes your videos 10x better😂
😂 you can't not with indoles 😂
This was SO informative omg. I used to think that it was patchouli that smelled sweaty to me, but I recently realized the common note that I seem to hate in fragrances is jasmine & immediately came to youtube to see if I was crazy or not. So thank you for explaining this so well! The perfumes that I just cannot stand are Flowerbomb, Prada Paradoxe, Gucci Gorgeous Jasmine/Gardenia, amongst others. They smell so foul to me & I never knew why. Seriously, thank you for this! Definitely subscribing 🙏🏼
Oh thank you! No problem at all! I too used to hate jasmine so I totally get it 🤣 it seems to be in everything too doesn't it?! I hope you find some more fragrances that you love, now you know what you don't enjoy 😊
Looking forward to all these videos!!!! Excellent video! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you! ❤️
Hey Claire. I always love these videos. Thank you so much for doing them and keep them coming.
Thank you! I will! ❤️
Another super interesting video Claire in which I learned a lot about a topic that really fascinates me!!!🖤🖤🖤
Thanks Joss ❤️ I appreciate it!
Wow! Claire!! You truly are a singular sensation. Your knowledge and ability to articulate what you know and how it relates to aspects of things, most of us, know little about… I’m endlessly entertained and educated by your videos. Chef’s kiss to this video and to you!! Perfecto!
I recently sampled Joy and 1000 in EDP concentration. I definitely enjoyed both but I was enraptured by 1000. Big love for me.
I found La Tosca by Xerjoff to be indolic to an extent that really turned me off. One of the few perfumes I actually returned.
As you say, we smell so differently, you or many others may like it. I’ve also found a couple perfumes from L’Artisan to be indolic. Haute Voltige and Rapelle-Toi come to mind.
Great video! Thank you! ✌🏻🕺🏼♥️
Thank you Richard 😘 honestly this took me a very very long time 😂 so I appreciate that!
I havent tried Joy or 1000, I think Dior bought Jean Patou and perhaps discontinued a lot of their fragrances. A few people have mentioned l'artisan, I will have to try to sample some. I am impressed that it would be so indolic as for you to return it, that must be super stinky! 😂 Thanks for watching ❤️ I really appreciate it!
for some reason I smell INDOLES in black morel mushrooms STRONGLY... especially when soaked in salt water.... and on certain landscaping bushes with yellow flowers I used to sell at this nursery I used to work at... After experiencing indoles..... I have started to smell them everywhere! I have a psychedelic appreciation of them. (ps. you're the first person I've known to say they smell like sex... most people I know say they smell like poop! Then again, an@l is a thing )
I think they can have different associations for people for sure! For me, they often teeter on the edge of bad breath 😂 also poop but other people get different things. I agree, as soon as you notice insoles, you start smelling them in unexpected places! Thanks for watching 🥰
That was so brilliant!!!
Thank you! ❤️
Wonderful video as per usual!! You are a great teacher. Thank you ❤
Thank you Cali! ❤️ So happy that you enjoyed it!
Always love love LOVE another perfume science video. Just such a treat 😍
Thank you! I'm really happy that people enjoy these. ❤️
Excellent video!! I learned so much!!
Thank you! I'm so glad that you enjoyed it! ❤️
Thank you so much for the video. I love indolic perfumes .
Thanks Yulia! Glad that you enjoyed it!
Hey darning!!! I'm here watching.
Hey Tera! Hope you are having a good Saturday 😘
I don’t like dirty indole fragrances, I prefer a clean smelling fragrance. When I think of jasmine it always reminds me of good memories at my in-law’s family in southern Cyprus. The scent of a bright and clean jasmine always makes me smile for that reason and it just takes me back to sunny days and being close to the beach. I also don’t like dirty interpretations of tuberose, but the only one I like is Diptyque Do Son which to me smells fresh and clean. And you don’t need much of it either (I like the body and hair mist versions too for subtler options).
Amazing how much a scent can take you to a memory or place and make you happy ☺️
I've been trying lots of diptyque recently, I've been really enjoying them. Thanks for watching ❤️
Claire, this was great! Love your perfume science videos. I have been wondering about indoles and you explain them in such an entertaining and informative manner! Thanks!
This took me a long long time 😂 I am so happy that you enjoyed it. ❤️
This is such an interesting topic! Girl, you’re a wealth of fascinating information! ❤
Thank you! ❤️
Interesting and educational and fun. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you ❤️
Omg.....this is probably my no 1 video from you. I am in awe of you 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
LOL I made this one for you, Jon and Carmen. I know you are all really interested! I only wish I had tried Salome and a la nuit so I had a better idea what I was talking about... Hopefully people will go watch a review from you on Salome.
Wow Claire 😮. The research 👏🏼
Thank you! ❤️ yes this took me a crazily long time 🤣
Hey Claire! Always love to be educated by you 🥰🥰
Haha, I had questions 😂 they had to be answered!
Love your science of perfumery content spin! Enjoying going down the rabbit hole. Also appreciating the humorous accompanying edit work, thanks!!
Thank you 😊 really happy to hear that you enjoyed it!
Another fantastic, educational video. I always learn something new from your videos! Joy was a fragrance that I really struggled with, it just wasn’t for me. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us as always ❤️
I never tried Joy, but I would love to, I do think I'd hate it though 😂 thanks for watching Chantel! ❤️
I’m binging on your videos - thank you, this information is fascinating! I’m loving the science, please continue on this unique pathway. Some of us are lifelong learners.😂
That's fab! People seem to love the musk video, the one on petrichor and also the one on the psychology of fragrance shopping. I'm a scientist so I do love doing science content 😊
Olives and smoked oysters…yum! 🤤
Thanks for this video, Claire 😊
Haha! Thanks for watching! ❤️
Wow 😅😅😅😅😅 this is really an eye opening video. Loved it. Thanks !
Thank you! 🥰
Thanks Clare really enjoyed this
Hugs 🤗 😊
Thanks Frances 😊
I live in the Philippines and the reason you mentioned is exactly the reason why Jasmine perfume is not liked here, or at least all the people i know 😂 Appreciate and surprised that you know this Claire! Jasmine also reminds me of altars that are in older generations people’s homes, and sometimes funeral, but mostly churches.
Yes, I think it was watching Paola Bianka that made me aware. It's very telling just how associated certain things are in different cultures. Thanks for watching 🥰
In my country the funeral flower is lily. That's why it's not the most liked note in perfumes.@@dr.claire.perfume
I am impressed about your knowledge. Your channel goes far beyond what other reviewers offer. I thoroughly enjoy it!
Thank you! I just do some reading when I fall down a rabbit hole of why. I usually end up reading so much that I feel like I should make a video and share what I've learnt! 😊
Very interesting video, with a few cracking nuggets of info that I will be bestowing upon those around me! I didn't think I was a big fan of indoles, although I really enjoy both jasmine and tuberose. I adore Lush's Lust scent and honestly never thought of this being indolic (discovered it many years ago in my Uni days as they had a hair product with the same scent, and I loved it) - so maybe I actually really like them to the point where I don't even perceive them to be saucy?! 😀
Haha, hardcore 😂 I think Lush lust has changed from how I remembered it... The newer bottles smell a little plasticky to me. 🤷♀️ I think actually flying fox was perhaps a better example of something indolic, but that has been discontinued from my understanding. I don't think I've experienced the full on indolic at all. I am waiting to smell Salome, I've only heard about it from Gabi unfortunately.
This is fascinating!
Thank you 🥰
You look beautiful. Love the necklace too.😊
Thank you, it's one I bought when I was at school, I love it! 😊
You are such a good teacher, Claire ❣️ I love this, Beautiful ❤️
Thank you! I had lots of questions so I thought I'd share what I'd found out. ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume I love that you do your research ❣️
@@laurel_luxe I try! I don't always get it right, but I try to correct myself if so!
This is most informative. Proper course. I prefer indoles in perfumes then. 🥰
😂 yes better than elsewhere 😜
Love it, Claire! 💜 For my taste, I can appreciate indoles when they are barely there. Like in the older perfume, Coco. I love that scent and I think there is civet, but I can't actually detect it. I don't like Lust. It's just not nice to my nose. But I do love Jasmine. Super interesting subject. Ty so much. 🦋
Thanks Tina! I'm really happy that you enjoyed it. I tried Lust in store a few months back and it was just a no all the way through for me. It smelt a bit plasticky somehow. 🤷♀️ I tried Coco and I liked that, also Coco Noir. I think those two are only just beginning to get some love. Thanks for watching ❤️
Hello 🤗🥰
Indole was an abstract meaning to me. What I understood from indolic fragrances some heavy heady floral notes.
Your video makes the concept clear to me. So thank you for this informative edition dr. Claire 👌❤
I agree that there is nothing indolic about the jasmin in Alien.
Lately I am into vintage perfumy fragrances. Some of them are indolic and have an intoxicating smell.
I have just discovered Givenchy Amarige and I really do love it ❤
I find Alien pretty clean now, but I know some people say it is not... I guess different people have different opinions, but I was a little shocked when I asked a few people and they said alien was indolic to them! Thanks for watching Souad. You have no idea how long this video took me 😂
I appreciate you taking the time to do the research and making this video!! 💗 This type of video is the niche I wish existed! You're a pioneer in this and I hope you know you are truly appreciated!!💗
No worries, I'd been reading about them for a few months 😂 I just needed to sit down and film it. This was a beast to edit, I talked about them for 90 mins 🤦♀️
@@dr.claire.perfume wow now I'm slightly disappointed I missed out on the rest of the footage 😩
very few people would be that hardcore I think 😂 I really got into talking about them 🤦♀️
Your Greek pronunciation is adorable, Claire! I adore white florals, by the way. They are my favorite fragrance note.
Haha, is it ok or awful? I have no clue 😂 white florals I have a new found appreciation for, 3 years ago, I would have said that I didn't enjoy strong white florals, but now they are something I love. 😊
I am not sure I can separate indoles in jasmine perfumes as I love most white flower perfumes (except specific ones such as Elie Saab in White. It was so awful. I dont know if this particular one had gone bad).
I do have an old formulation of Alien, but I can't say where the intrinsic flower scent ends and where the indolic part starts.
To me, notorious scebts I can detect an animalic or dirty skin quality are NR For Her EDP (I believe is the musk on this one), Dior Pure Poison (OG) and Madonna Truth or Dare Naked ( it could be the white amber in these).
In most really vintage perfumes such as Joy by Jean Patou, vintage Shalimar, or vintage Fidji, I can definitely detect what I believe is Civet or Castoreum.
Yes I think musk and insoles really play well together if you love those smells, but I think they can be a lot for people who don't! I have been trying to hunt for an old formulation Pure Poison, I would love a bottle! I agree with your assessment of NR for Her EDP too, I think that's why a lot of people don't like it! 🥰
Thanks for a fun and interesting commute! I had several giggles (insects excited about getting sexy time) was just one of many! 😂😂😂❤️👏🏻
Thanks for indulging in my delve into indoles 😊
@@dr.claire.perfume it was fascinating, horrifying and hilarious all at the same time!😁🙌👏🏻🥰
@@ThePerfumeNest 😂
Thank you for sharing I have lean a lot
Thanks for watching ❤️
I do find that many vintage fragrances are indolic. There are some indolic fragrances that I can’t tolerate such as Musc Ravageur and some that I really enjoy like Alien and Cocaine by Franck Boclet. I really enjoyed watching this video Claire! 😍❤️
I need to find some strong indolic fragrances to try, I feel like I have only experienced light indolics. Lush lust is as heavy as it got for me really, relatively tame still 😊
This is really informative! I noticed perfumes with hyacinth or wisteria bother my nose, now it makes sense. I'm really starting to appreciate ylang ylang notes and also more wite floral forward perfumes lately!
I used to have huge issues with ylang ylang but I really love it now. I guess it's just trying it more. And hyacinth especially is quite a strong heady one, sitting near those bulb flowers when I have them in pots in the house can be a bit overwhelming. Thanks for watching ❤️
Hi doc here watching, catching up
Always lovely to see you Nika 😍
I'm watching this. I'm like a quarter in and I just wanted to tell you this video is totally scratching the mental itch I had about indols!!! Lol.
😊 I'm happy to read that! ❤️
I looove these dirty olfactive topics! 😋 Lust by Lush was definitely a turning point for me. First I smelled I thought I could almost womit, and now I just love it! ❤Thank you for these super informative videos and teach us some more!😍
Haha, lust is really an experience. I remember trying it years ago and thinking it was much stronger than when I tried it a few months ago 🤷♀️ have I got used to it or did they really dramatically change the formula?! Not sure! Thanks for watching ❤️ Im really happy that you enjoyed this!
@@dr.claire.perfume Yes, the formula's been definitely changed in recent years. Lust isn't that strong, pungent and longlasting anymore... 😞 But so it is more popular than ever, I think. The market has made its decision and now it's just more 'consumer friendly'; a so-called 'easy grab' that nowadays my 16 y old niece wears... 😆
@@orsihutter6071 haha, yes, it's much tamer now 🤷♀️ and yes, probably more popular for it, it's the same with Mugler fragrances, individuality and something a bit different are really disappearing from designer fragrances.
Late to the party, but stellar video as usual. I do love animalic fragrances and some indoles love jasmine and florals too and I am aware some rose scents can smell dirty, as can honey. I didn’t live honey but somehow even that is changing. I think generally with greater exposure to these smells come a better understanding and perhaps enjoyment.
I remember travelling to rural England and thinking everywhere smelled like manure. Now I am aware of the smell it but it is no longer as offensive and is in fact linked with nostalgia.
I totally agree! I think just smelling more fragrances helps you to appreciate the variety more. I have the same issue with honey, especially when the honey is more towards beeswax, like in Scandal. I find it off-putting. Thanks for watching 😘
Oh wow! Now I know why I HATE Hershey's Chocolate! It always stunk like a not clean child's bottom to me. TMI...I know! I think you are so fascinating and really love your content ( and your accent). Have a great day Claire! ☺️
Hey Susan 😂 haha that's made my evening! I really thought it was just Brits who thought it tasted weird, but seemingly not 🤷♀️ and thank you so much for watching, I appreciate it! ❤️
I did not know about the connection between tryptophan and serotonin. 🌸 Thank you for this education !
No worries, those two also link to melatonin production too. ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume fascinating. Thank you!
@@pegb8739 😊
Blimey you lost me at Tryptophanananianian. . 🤣 Indoles are definitely an interesting topic, and I'm grateful for your detailed explanations. Excellent video. I think Lily is probably the most palatable and enjoyable white floral for me that's heady with indoles. I naturally recoil in the presence of indoles, and having worked in Bacteriology, in one case live Influenza on petri dishes. . It was definitely the lasting association of extreme indoles and every one since. I always think of dirt, infection, exposure to something not favourable.
I like oysters though 👍😁
Haha, yes working in a lab exposes you to lots of smells that really aren't always pleasant. And yes some smells are very much warning signs of danger. I hate when there's someone new and I smell something dangerous because they haven't used a fume hood 🤦♀️
Thanks for watching ❤️ this took me a crazily long time 😂
So interesting, thank you for this video Claire! I always wondered why perfume reviewers would call white flower heavy fragrances "a bit stinky"! White floral perfumes are my absolute favorite perfumes, I never found them to be stinky or "damp skin" like. I remember so vividly from when I was young that when spring started, I could smell this amazing scent of flowers outside and I never knew what they were called but they I know they were white. I think that's why I've always loved white floral perfumes. And btw, would you consider Do Son edp from Diptyque high in indoles? It's a recent favorite of mine.
Hello! Yes I think some people smell one thing and others another with white florals, it's all about personal experience too. I know I've smelt that fragrance but I don't remember it sorry, I will go and sniff it again and reacquaint myself! I really like orpheon from diptyque. Thanks for watching ❤️
Hello Claire,
very informative video! I find the love/hate juxtaposition with indoles for fragrance lovers quite interesting. It seems men are not as adverse to them in my experience. It seems it is more prevalent in male marketed fragrance. I do like the smell of natural jasmine and I used to love Flying Fox shower gel and that yellow shampoo bar they used to make long ago that was full of jasmine flowers. I guess my brain never made the connection to stinky, yucky things. Perhaps I can't smell the bad part? I find the newer synthetic, clean jasmine almost soapy smelling. Or perhaps that's just because it is in a lot of products? Keep up the interesting videos. They are quite enjoyable! - Jenn
Hi Jenn! I agree, the newer alien smells a little soapy to me at points, I assume that's because of the synthetic jasmine that they are using. I'm not sure what it was exactly, but I used to love a yellow massage bar from lush, that had ylang ylang and jasmine but wasn't lust I don't think... Flying fox was certainly more indolic that lust! And yes, men do seem less sensitive to it I think. Thanks for your comment and for watching ❤️
Thank you, this is a great video, and a wealth of knowledge of yours. May I ask something, am I right in assuming, that in many Oud type of fragrances, they use these indoles, especially in the opening. And when people feel strong harsh smell in the opening, they would assume that it is oud out of ignorance, which is a win for a house, who try to claim Oud type of fragrance? Also, I do think that great examples of Indols are in Xerjoffd Malesia, Strangelove Deadofnight, maybe some other famous ones?
I know you can buy indoles, but I think perfumers tend to hold back on adding them as it can be just a lot for some people. I don't know the composition of natural ouds, but yes some types smell more fecal than others. I don't know whether they have a skatole type molecule in them or whether the fungus rotting the wood actually produces an indole, but it's possible. I am really not sure though. Oud is so pricey that I doubt I've smelt many authentic pud fragrances. Most oud is a synthetic accord, you'd be hard pressed to get an natural Oud based fragrance under £200. I guess it's possible that some fragrance houses may add indole to stimulate a barnyard type oud but I don't know for sure... I will add that to my Xerjoff list, I have a few from them that I want to try. Thanks for watching 🥰
Hiya, just popped over from Gabby’s channel & happy I did! This must’ve taken ages to edit, tsmfs! My fave “indolic” & pretty close to a signature scent as I 1st purchased when about 16 in the 70s is “Fracas”- always my default when I can’t decide. I purchase “Joy” in the mid-80s, last got a bottle w/ about ⅓ left as a gift from hubby our 1st Xmas together (a few mos after marrying him- we got married around 4 ½ mos after our 1st date-32 yrs on Halloween!) & so love it! A recent love is “Lost in Heaven” by Francesca Bianchi. More floral on me w/ a slight touch of animalic; I really do get very dreamy when wearing! One thing I’ve noticed is people confuse “indolic” & “animalic” very often. While there’s connections- both very polarising- not the same. E.g., “The Lover”s Tale” by FB, people say it’s too indolic whilst it’s *very* animalic. I find it so interesting how body chemistry, how you wear fragrance vs it wearing you are all so varying! If I wear The Lover”s Tale or OG Poison (still have nearly ½ a bottle, the ¾ full bottle went :boom: in a house fire- no one hurt is most important but trying to find a replacement is highway robbery!) people look at me & say out loud “hey rockstar!” What? Don’t get it🤣 as they’re both so different but otoh Poison doesn’t smell the same on me as it does on others, defo not sickly sweet, very heady so perhaps on me it is indolic due to my body chemistry? Subbing now & going back to binge watch! Thanks again! Jet 🧡🎸🎶⚡️🏍 PS I’m presuming you live in the UK? I wish I could send samples overseas!
Wow! Thank you so much for your comment. Yes, animalic and indolic are different but connected and it's hard to separate them sometimes because we don't smell fragrances as single notes more as overall impressions where we can't pinpoint exactly what is what. I need to try some Francesca bianchi fragrances! Gabi makes them sound fabulous. I love it when fragrances are connected to personal relationships, it makes them so so special. Halloween is a cool anniversary to have 🎃 I do live in the UK, but thank you so much for the generous thought. Lovely to hear from you! 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume - So true about how we perceive frags! Oh do try a discovery kit from FB! I 1st got the big discovery set & am so happy I did as I fell in love w/ many of the more “masculine” (they’re all unisex, but some lean one way or another) to be fantastic on me. Otoh my skin eats frag so🤷🏼♀️maybe it’s just me but I’m sure you’ll find some that you’ll love! Her “sublime oils” are so nice as a base as well; a dry oil that doesn’t leave you feeling greasy. I use it all over! I swear it’s what’s helped my fried hair after the fire as my son had just measured it & it was below my old 🦇 bum, but lost about 8 inches & goodness knows how many layers. It now feels so healthy (split, fried ends gone!) & has grown from mid back to below my waist since March when it was burnt off, wild! Thanks for your reply! J. XXX 😘🧡
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Thanks Maude!
This is just a fantastic video mate. Absolutely fascinating and yea not just indoles I think there's a weird human addiction to being quite repulsed and discussed. I guess it's the chemicals in our brains.
And yea the sweaty dirty smell in the right circumstances is something that definitely works. Like the smell of the stationary cupboard to let everyone know what went on there 🤣.
It's interesting the different types isn't it. I've obviously not smelt many real jasmine's but a very different smell to ylang-ylang indoles, a different dirty. I think Narcissus is the one we've all smelt the most of and with that very sweet green lovely smell they do smell a little dirty when u sniff them in.
Thanks Dr really enjoyed that
Being disgusted is a critical human reaction because it save you from things like infection so I get that we are all curious to feel that repulsion in some way.
Haha, the stationary cupboard is sadly not something I've experienced 😂 but yes, living through some peep show!
Yes for me, ylang ylang smells like wee sometimes. Really concentrated wee. Jasmine is more fecal sometimes. Other times different again. ooh I didn't think of narcissus, but yes you are right! I guess I am not in spring mode right now! Those do have a very particular smell.
@@dr.claire.perfume well I love my daffodils and their magic smell. Yea weird that difference between the two. We'd have to see what a dog does on both... Maybe it's a reason for what the plants crave 😉 🤣
No even I never graced the office with any frivolities or canoodling.
Yea us human and our touching dodgy things then sniffing it 🤣 yea that's fair point our nose is trying to learn to protect so we need to sniff lots.
Urgh bedtime still not finished but only 3more of the biggest bits to edit
@@scentedsnowdrops 🤣 well it's always good not to get sacked isn't it, so stationary cupboards are generally just for stationary... Some very dodgy stuff has gone on at my work though, I've wondered whether I want to sit in certain places as a result 🤣 you hear about these things months later...
Glad that your editing has kept you so engaged as to stay up so late... That's dedication. I hate to think how many hours this one took me 🙄 I'm looking forward to your video. 😊
Ohh yes Jasmine for sure and I do love it ❤ I bet Frangipani is another one which I find absolutely captivating
Yes those are two beautiful floral notes. Absolutely stunning 😍
I am noticing that Jasmine heavy fragrances are too much for me. They even give me slight feeling of anxiety somehow.
@@AMaudeThing they can be everywhere can't they and just make you feel hemmed in and claustrophobic somehow 🤷♀️
@@dr.claire.perfume wow. It’s so much to discover.
@@AMaudeThing I can totally see that happening ! Jasmine can be to much
I’ve always been intrigued by indolic perfumes but was never able to pick out indolic notes so I still don’t know what they smell like. I’ve tried Alien, Lush Lust, Joy and many others that are considered indolic.
I have to admit though that I love a fragrance with a skanky or animalic undertone. The civet in Coco is amazing. Shalimar too has a big dose of smoky leathery animalic skank in my opinion. Elizabeth Taylor Passion, another gorgeous animalic scent. I know animalic isn’t quite the same as indolic but I do think there is some overlap.
Animalic notes are definitely linked and certainly feed into those primal feelings that go with indolics. I think too the links with molecules in horse sweat with jasmine is really interesting! I am not sure I can exactly tell you what is indolic and what not either. I think I need to smell more indolic fragrances. I don't have anything super indolic but I did try savage jasmine a few weeks back and that struck me as quite indolic. Thanks for watching ❤️
This was so well done and packed full of interesting science. Would the idoles be in the opening the middle or throughout?
Thank you 😊 for the Gucci Nettare di Fiori it is more prominent in the opening. In general that is what I find, opening and mid, but I don't know whether that is a general thing. I don't think I sniffed many really indolic ones.
Also when you put up the picture of the platter of oysters, I was just thinking mmm I would do that whole platter! Chilled, fresh oysters are to me one of the best things ever!
Aah you need to go to Arcachon, France, beautiful oysters there, every restaurant...
@@dr.claire.perfume oh wow, I wish I had a teleporter and could go now for supper!
@@ems_h.eartnotes biggest sand dune in Europe there too... Literally everything you would ever want from a holiday destination 😂
@@dr.claire.perfume oh wow really! Right, well I know where to go now, thank you! X
What a fun (and stinky!) topic! The fragrance that was the MOST indolic was Jasmin de Pays by Perris Monte Carlo. Claire, when I tell you that it overwhelmed me to the point of making me cringe, honey... WHEW! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow, I always think of you as pretty hardcore 😂 that one must be quite something... I think the stinkiest one I tried recently was savage jasmine. I didn't dislike it, but wouldn't wear it...
@@dr.claire.perfume oof! Is it literally named Savage Jasmine? Now I'm curious to sniff it just because 😂😂😂
@@VeronicaSays yes it's Sana Jardin, smells a lot like lush lust to me but less plasticky. No ylang ylang listed but I smell it there too...
I saw indols described like how we add a dash of salt to a dessert to bring out the sweetness. That makes perfect sense to me. It brings out the good smells and gives it depth. A lot of us are fans and don't even know it. Lol.
Yes I think that's a good description and certainly there are indoles that people don't even notice because they are subtle and just part of a fragrance and don't stand out. 😊
@@dr.claire.perfume I agree!! People might not realize why they find a certain fragrance intoxicating.
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Claire!!! Girl yes!!! We like some “dirty” smells I cracked up watching this your accent makes everything sound lovely I love it! lol I have one from Kyse the jasmin to me smells like poop so gross 🤮 this was the best I learned and laughed!
Thank you Sunny! I hope you don't mind, I will tag you in my next video or the following one 😊 Yes jasmine can be tricky. Some are so stinky. I am amazed that a brand like kyse do stinky! All I hear about from them are the super gourmand ones though... Maybe people are selective 😂
@@dr.claire.perfume I thought the same thing lol it’s called jasmin macaroon all I smell is that indolic jasmin! Some reviewers also mentioned it 🥴 of course you can 🤗❤️😉
@@sunnyscents1818 ok, I'll know to stay away 🤣 Thanks! Coming soon! It's easy!
I want to get my nose on the Gucci one to see how I react to it! And for Alien, I blind bought it and I don't seem to like it. I i have not decluttered it because i heard people on TH-cam talk about how it grew on them, so I'm patiently waiting for the winter to see if it grew on me too 😅
Yes, I do think the older Alien is a slightly different beast and I'm not sure which people are talking about sometimes... The newer one has a little bit of a soapy feeling to it later on. I think it's something that if you don't absolutely hate it, it may grow on you, trying spraying it in different amounts or layering it with other jasmine fragrances maybe? I guess you probably did that though, you later fragrance quite well and honestly with so much more expertise than me 🙂 the Gucci one took me by surprise, I thought I hated Bloom, then I tried the flankers and it was totally the opposite. Thanks for watching ❤️
Very interesting and informative video! Now I know why Gucci Flora was off-putting to me ;-). But it was a very interesting scent, I kept sniffing my writst, I must admit ;-).
Thank you ❤️ Yes! This is totally the reaction! 🤣 Just what is that?! 🤣
Mmmmm…love Alien and flankers 😍🥰 my mom’s signature scent is Climat , the pure perfume version, it’s vintage and it contains civet note 😉
Do you actually think Alien is indolic? I don't with the modern one, but the older one, I can see why people might call it indolic, but really I think it's very very light if so. I was surprised that people were saying that was indolic when I asked a few people before filming this...
@@dr.claire.perfume I only smelled the current version of the original edp and I own the Eau Sublime, and neither smell indolic to me. I have gotten compliments from a man in the grocery store, who said I smell really good...😉
@@sweetsimpleslowlife2709 good to know! And yes! Alien and the flankers are good for compliments I think! They have good projection.
@@dr.claire.perfume definitely! My mom is not fond of Alien... she said it smells too strong 🤣 and she likes beastmode fragrances!
@@sweetsimpleslowlife2709 wow! 😂
You’ve been indoled! 😆👌🙌👀
Yes Yulia! 🤣 I don't know if you had them where you are, but there was a drink called Tango here and their line was you know when you've been tangoed. It was a fizzy tangy orange drink. And indoles feel like that kind of thing in a way, impactful I guess? 😊
I involuntarily snorted when she said that 😂
OMG your inserts 😂😂🤣
I had fun 😂
Hi Claire. Here to learn📑📖😇👩🎓
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I used to think I knew what indolic florals were, but after watching this video, I am not so sure... I know I ADORE the natural smell of white flowers such as jasmine and orange blossom, but now I will have to go and smell indoles in fragrances to make sure THEY don't gross me out, lol.
Haha, yes, there are some really smelly ones! I do think I have a reasonable tolerance these days but there's a limit for me! 😂
ALL THE INDOLES! ;)
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Hey Frances! ❤️
I still recall the smell of Butyric acid (been well over a decade since I stood at a bench) quite unpleasant and I did not know that about American chocolate! I remember the first time I tried Hershey’s I hated it. We are pretty spoilt in the chocolate world Down Under 😂
Yes Hershey's is something you never forget 🤣 it's been a while since I used butyrate, but wow, ugh! I think in the end it was optional in the protocol and I just thought maybe I can do without this and did 🤣 do you miss lab work?
Hello claire another excellent educational video you shared to us 🙂❤️, honestly i cant determine the indolic in jasmine or in other white florals not a big fan of jasmine in perfume, but i do have one jasmine prominent perfume in my collection and thats bulgari jasmin noir, i like it but i dont love it i have to be in mood to wear it.
Have you tried that one? Do you find it indolic?
Hope i can get to sniff alien and gucci bloom ❤️
Thank you! I personally don't find Alien indolic. I was surprised when I asked a few people and they told me that they did, hence why I put it in the video as I'd never thought of it as indolic 🤷♀️ to me it's more perhaps the musky cashmeran that is making people find it animalic. I did try Jasmin noir ages ago, but I'm sorry I don't really remember how it smells 😂 I need to try it again... Thanks for watching. ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume , im sorry for my english grammar claire 😬, what i mean in my first comment is i dont know how to detect indolic in jasmine, thanks for bringing up about alien btw it helps me understand more about indoles in jasmin as this is such an interesting topic.
I am curious about alien but im a bit scared to buy a bottle.
When i was still working in saudi arabia there are lots of fragrance oils that you can find selling from perfume stores, i remember i sniffed one and it was so heady realistic jasmin, headache inducing, almost like a musky,dirty touch in it, is that an indolic?
Not at all! Your grammar is great! I think Alien is not the beast that people make it out to be, these days it feels quite tame to me. The reformulations have dulled it significantly.
And yes, that sounds like that fragrance could well be indolic.
Ok I’m back to finish watching
No worries. Is it hectic there Frances? 🙂
@@dr.claire.perfume we are all sick 😷 Nora brought it home from school but so far we have tested negative but I have lost my taste 🤷♀️
@@HappinessSparkles oh no! Kid bugs are the worst 🤧 I hope you feel better soon.
I’m looking for a more sophisticated sweet pea scent and have recently tried Issey Miyake’s Pleats Please. For me, it was a strong indolic scent (I think). It smells very similar to Elie Saab. But, while I want to like both fragrances, I’m not 100% sure I do. They feel overpowering to me. Maybe they are something I’ll grow into as I build my fragrance knowledge. Claire, I’m curious if you’ve tried Pleats Please and what notes you get from it.
Hello! I've only tried Pleats Please L'Eau which I recently finished and spoke about in my last empties video. That didn't have sweet pea listed as a note, but to me that smelt like the sweet pea plant, mainly the green parts. It wasn't indolic at all, but that flanker is meant to be lighter I think so that doesn't surprise me. I really wanted to find pleats please EDP but it was impossible to find here when I was looking.
Elie Saab is just heavy for me, I wouldn't personal class it as indolic, for me it's combination of the honey and heavy white florals that makes it a lot! It's a rarely reached for fragrance in my collection, in fact, I just checked and I wore it twice this year 😂 that says a lot! I do like it though, it's just perhaps not me.
Perfumes with salt / mineral note smell sweaty to me.
Actually only in the last 2 years I've opened up to sweet scents/ gourmands, before I was grossed by them it smelled dirty to me and I wanted my perfume to make me feel "fresh" and "clean"
I think I used to like fresh aquatic fragrances, watery florals especially like peony, now I think my.taste expanded and I appreciate more diverse fragrances. I get what you mean with salty sea fragrances. I think that melon super sweet calone can be a little cloying too...
Now I understand why I’ve always thought Hershey’s chocolate smells like vomit! 🤢Thank you for explaining that to me!! Now I know I’m not crazy for thinking that…lol
Yes! 😂 I was in the kitchen at work this week and I noticed someone had just come back from a shott break in New York and had left a pack of Hershey's Kisses for everyone. I found it noteworthy that that pack was still there four days later on Friday when I left... People just don't like Hershey's chocolate in general in the UK, it's a very distinctive and unpleasant taste for most people here. I always wondered how it got so popular 🤷♀️
@@dr.claire.perfumeAnd I’m American! I’ve always thought Cadbury was so much better. I remember asking my friends if they thought Hershey’s smelled/tasted weird…& they always said no.🙄 Perhaps it’s simply a case of getting used to the taste of what you grew up with…? In any case, I envy you in the UK for your chocolates! 😂
Side note: Lush’s Lust perfume smells like seriously bad breath to me. I need to declutter that one out of my life! I can’t understand how some people find that scent sex…😳😬
Sometimes I love to smell dirty, sexy, my husband loves it on me as well 🤭😁 My favourites are Alien, Chanel Coco, JPG Scandal (the jasmin, gardenia, orange blossom, beeswax combination in it results sooo sexy, indolic, bit dirty , wooooww!!🔥).
Thank you very much for the amazing video and information it's always great and wonderful to watch and learn ♥️♥️🌹
Thanks! ❤️ Those are some good choices, Scandal I understand for sure! It's a powerful combination, very intoxicating. 😊
Now my favourite floral scent in nature is hawthorn. This is what I learnt from the Woodland Trust!
"Hawthorn was never brought into the home. It was believed that bringing hawthorn blossom inside would be followed by illness and death, and in medieval times it was said that hawthorn blossom smelled like the Great Plague. Botanists later learned that the chemical trimethylamine in hawthorn blossom is also one of the first chemicals formed in decaying animal tissue, so it is not surprising that hawthorn flowers are associated with death".
Beautiful and gross eh! I understand it's not possible to extract the scent of hawthorn from the blossoms and that it has to be synthesized by the perfumer.
Fantastic video Claire, tons of work gone in here and you've broken it down for non sciencey folks for us to understand why we like and sometimes want to go back for more of something funky 😂
Ooh that is really interesting! I think a lot of beliefs are wrapped up in actual reason, it just takes time to unravel them! Hawthorn is a lovely smell in nature, it really reminds me of back home, we have a hawthorn hedge.
And yes, there is a weird urge isn't there to sniff things again. No matter how bad they are! Thanks for watching ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume when / if I ever sort my garden out I'm going to put in a hawthorn or two. There's a massive overgrown pampus grass in the front which I hate, but the sparrows play seesaw on it in summer and then devour it so I don't have the heart
@@dr.claire.perfume and I just put my Petit Matin on after my shower for that hawthorn nuance
@@ems_h.eartnotes I know, my mum kept a pond she hated for 25 years because of the frogs living there 😂
@@dr.claire.perfume oh how sweet! The sparrows really make me so happy to watch, they are so daft
Perris Monte Carlo Vanille de Tahiti is too indolic for many. I love it, but the opening is definitely indolic.
It's something that isn't for everyone I think! But that's what makes it interesting and addictive too! Thanks for watching ❤️
A la Nuit was an instant headache for me!
Well I've not tried it, so I can't comment, but I can guess that it's powerful. I am triggered by some floral fragrances with headaches too unfortunately.
Oh!!! Is this why gardenia and ylang ylang give a whiff of 💩?? You have just opened my eyes to a life long mystery😂😂
Haha 😂 to me ylang ylang is more urine like sometimes, but yes! 🤣
@@dr.claire.perfume haha😹 well now I at least now why!! I just subscribed to your channel and am watching about Petrichor, I got the 4711 Lilac yesterday and trying to understand why it smells like a wet green garden after rain to me. (Sidenote: I get no lilac at all from it, sadly, but hooked as I am on 4711 I had to order it to try😅)
Thanks for subscribing and also thanks for confirming that for me! I was really wondering whether to try that lilac 4711, but yeah, I'd heard that it wasn't very lilac-y! Hope you enjoyed the petrichor video 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume thank you for making such interesting videos😀💕 It has happened several times that when I keep sniffing a perfume I start to like it more and more (while with other scents it is like at first sniff) so I hope that when I get pass this picture of lilac I’ll enjoy it. It’s not bad, just not lilac. I heard a youtuber (the nosetalgic) describe it as very similar to MaDame EDT by Gaultier, I’ve never met that thou. Have you?😃
I've not tried that one either. I think it's long discontinued. For a gentle polite lilac, drop d'issey is a good and affordable one to try.
Bdk rough smoking is very good ❤
Ooh I should maybe do a BDK review. I have a lot of samples. ☺️
@@dr.claire.perfume nice! I would love to see that video. 🩷
Hello Mrs. smith can you pls make a video about what it means perfumes on a spiritual level ?
Did you see my videos on the meanings of flowers? Those have a lot of the ideas behind each of the floral notes.
@@dr.claire.perfume yes I did . So interesting
I think that's about as spiritual as it's got for me so far, I'll have a think. 😊
I have a question for you Claire, which would you say is more "Fall themed" Scandal or Scandal By Night? I kinda want them both 😂
Both really, both are quite rich, thick scents, both suitable for now and very long lasting with great projection. The thing for me that differentiates them is whether you want beeswax, some people struggle with that smell on top of the honey in Scandal. And scandal by night doesn't have licorice, but does have tuberose and sticky cherry. To me, scandal by night is the more approachable of the two but if you like that waxy honey smell, maybe you eat jars of honey with the comb in?... Then Scandal might be ok. Personally, I'd never choose Scandal, but that's because I dislike honeycomb... Hope that helps!
@@dr.claire.perfume this was very helpful. I appreciate you taking so much time to explain the two and I do LOVE raw honey. I think I'll start with Scandal By Night and branch out if I like it. I think there's now ~5 versions of the perfume!
Yes very strangely, some of them don't have honey 😂 which always puzzles me a little 🤔
I can now see why you spend so much time in the stationary cupboards 😉
It's a strange concept to smell indolic jasmine in a church... Or is it 🤔 🤣
Can't get enough of them 🤣
Well there's got to be more to Sundays hasn't there? 😉
😮🤔 very interesting, so bad and yet so good in fragrances
Yes! 😂
Vert Malachite from Armani Privee is a jasmin booomb, dirty jasmin. So indulic I Think. To much actually:)
Not tried it sadly but I've heard a few people mention that one is too much for them, so you aren't alone... 😊
Next time I go to LUSH I want to try Lust and 1000 Kisses !!♥️♥️ 💞👍
I really like 1000 kisses, Lust I find a little plasticky sadly. I think it's been reformulated. ❤️
Is Red Door by Elizabeth Arden indolic?
I didn't try it unfortunately so I'm not sure. However I watched a lot of videos about the flanker Red Door Revealed and people have described that a couple of people described that as smelling like bad breath, so I guess that one is indolic. Perhaps someone who has smelt Red Door can answer this for you?
@@dr.claire.perfume thank you
I very much enjoy your channel
This video is tragically underviewed. Ya know, jasmine and orange blossom flavored things make me gag rather literally more often than not, so I've just learned to avoid them at all costs. Perhaps now I know the source of this reaction. Shit. It's literally shit scented and flavored, among other things of course. Admittedly, I don't perceive it that way consciously, but maybe our brain knows better subconsciously than we do, sometimes.
Yeah, I don't know whether it's the thumbnail, but this is the one not many people watched. I agree 😂
I have definitely smelt the bad breathe smell, sometimes indoles come off as a little like blue cheese for me too (thankfully I like cheese 🤣). But there are some really nice, only very slightly indolic fragrances like Carnal Flower by Frederic Malle. I used to really dislike indolic tones in fragrance, but I just found some that were a little less fierce that I love. I completely understand that that won't be the case for everyone though, we all sense smell very differently and a love for someone can be utterly overwhelming for someone else. Thanks for watching 🥰
Some of the indolic fragrances smell intoxicating and I adore them but there is no way that I am going to embrace a fragrance that smells like fart or bad breath.
I think most people have a line 🤣 it's just different for different people I think. I agree with you 💯
Locomotive Breath 😂