A Brief Comparison of Mormonism and Christianity (with Allen Parr)
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- This is one of several clips I will be uploading from a collab I did with Allen Parr evaluating a few different religious groups in light of biblical Christianity. Subscribe to my channel to get notified when the other videos in this series go up.
We are using the word “cult” here in the popular negative sense that Christian theology uses; to indicate a religion which imitates Christianity but is not genuinely Christian. The term also has another technical meaning; referring to any religion that has rituals associated with it. That’s not the definition we intend in this video.
If you enjoyed this you will probably enjoy a lot of the content that Allen Parr has. Here is his channel, I recommend you check it out. / @thebeatagp
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As an ex-Mormon, focus on the deity of Jesus. Compare and contrast the Mormon Jesus to the Biblical Jesus. My Christian high school friends kept presenting the real Jesus to me, especially this one persistent guy who ended up dying in a car crash not too long after high school. How sweet that he’s with the Lord and I get to see him again one day.
According to all religions
death is a good thing because you go on to paradise and see your god and your loved ones
unless they were "unsaved" and went to Hell.
@@JamesRichardWiley Those who reject Jesus and die are not in hell right now. They’re in a very unpleasant “waiting room” until the Great White Throne judgment at Jesus’ 2nd coming. My friend, Ray is definitely with the only true and living God, his Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ.
@@JamesRichardWiley In Christianity both are good, this life and the next. (Philippians 1:21, for example).
Where are YOU headed after this, if you don't mind me asking?
PRAISE GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow thanks for sharing that. Lately meeting many Mormons, but they have not said about Jesus.
As an ex-Mormon, born again Christian who does outreach to the LDS, if there is one suggestion I would give to Christians in their witnessing to them, is to study the Bible. Having a solid understanding about what we believe and why, being able to go to the text and retain its context, during interactions, will be essential to point them to the Cross. A lot of proof texting of the Bible happens in the cults.
Doing it in love and grace is definitely, the way to reach them, and to honor the One we serve. ❤️✝️
Praise God that He rescued you from Mormonism! Amazing news! Do you have any particular scriptures you would find most helpful to study when preparing to sit down with a Mormon?
Yes. Same for Islam. These apologists sharing their knowledge is great
@@joshhopper5551 Great question! There are many, and also many topics where Mormon theology differ from Christianity, but the most important thing is to focus on the nature of God, who the Father is, who Christ is in the Bible. As Dr. Walter Martin used to say, if we get who God is wrong, nothing else we get right will matter much for eternity. So, as many passages in the Bible we study about that, it will be very helpful. And then also, learning a bit more in depth, what LDS theology teaches about the Godhead, and what are the biblical passages that are used out of context to try and justify that.
In my own videos, that’s what I always aim to do, I break down an specific LDS teaching and then I contrast it with the Bible to show why and how it contradicts it. You are welcome to check them out.
A few verses on the nature of God:
LDS teach that the Father’s name is Elohim, and Jesus’s is Jehovah…
(If the Father was a man, can Scripture say that of Him)
Isaiah 40:9-28, 43:10-11, 44:6-8, 44:24b, 45:5, 21
Deuteronomy 4:35,39 The Lord (Jehovah) He is God (Elohim)
Hope it helps! That’s a lot to fit in a single reply.😀
@@FromJosephtoJesus
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Thank-you so much for commenting! I just subscribed to your channel. My mil is LDS as is one of my sil’s. My husband left Mormonism before we began dating & is now Christian. Then we invited 1 brother & 1 sister (who lived near us) and their families to church with us. Both families are now born again! I pray each day for my mil. She is a sweet, loving lady, but misguided. My husband has tried to talk with her, but she hangs up if he tries to explain how LDS differ from christianity. She & I have a good relationship, but she lives in another state so it’s a challenge. I’m going to watch your videos to get more understanding. I want to be gentle, but speak truth. I would appreciate any guidance. I have watched videos by Lynn Wilder & Jeff Durbin & understand to not be contentious. For now, I am praying.
Loved this collaboration brother! Can’t wait to do it again in either your channel or mine!
But you guys got a bunch of stuff wrong in this video. Don’t you think you owe it to the Church of Jesus Christ to act in good faith and make sure you have correct information? Don’t you think that if Latter-day Saints watch this video and see all the errors, they’ll be more inclined to not listen to you? How do you expect to change anyone’s mind by promoting hateful rumors about them?
The sad thing is they both have received corrections numerous times on several of their videos, but nothing ever changes. They willingly violate the commandment to not bare false witness
So what exactly did they say that was a lie if you don’t mind and explanation
They got a lot wrong, probably more than half of what they talked about. I actually went and rewatched the video to try and catch any I missed.
The whole thing about Joseph writing himself into Genesis 50 is wrong (I’ll have to go into more detail on this one, it’s more complicated.)
We do not believe that Jesus is a created being, we believe He is co-eternal with the Father.
We believe that Jesus is God, they said we put Jesus closer to the level of Lucifer, that’s wrong.
We don’t teach that Jesus is a married man, some will theorize about that, but then again, so will many other mainstream Christians.
We don’t believe in salvation by works, they took that verse in 2 Nephi completely out of context. (Almost every Protestant street preacher will try and twist this verse when confronting Latter-Day Saints.) Also, Nephi isn’t pronounced “neffy” it’s pronounced “knee-fi” like “defy” but with an N.
Lastly, the whole thing about changing the name from mormon to LDS isn’t at all what they said. The name of the church has always been “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” mormon is a nick name derived from the Book of Mormon, whose author was an ancient prophet named Mormon. The nickname mormon gives people the wrong impression. We want to make it clear that not only do we worship Jesus and only Jesus, but that we’re the complete restored Church of Jesus Christ. The same church that existed among the early Christians. It’s not about de-emphasizing the Book of Mormon. We’ll stand by it until our dying day.
The whole thing about the section added into Genesis is about an ancient Jewish prophecy given by Joseph of Egypt. Long story short, the Book of Mormon talks about an extended record of the Old Testament that existed in Jerusalem in 600 BC that was engraved on brass plates and contained the teachings of prophets and prophecies that had been lost by the time the Bible was being compiled. Critics will say the prophets mentioned on the brass plates didn’t exist, but we’ve been proven correct by statements in the books of Enoch and the Dead Sea scrolls, as well as other obscure materials. Anyhoo, one of these prophecies that is mentioned in the Book of Mormon but is mostly lost in the Bible is the prophecy of the Messiah Ben Joseph, a prophecy given by Joseph of Egypt. Only references to this prophecy’s existence can be found in the Bible, but some semblance of it still persists in some Jewish records, and a Rabbi will mention it every once in awhile. Joseph Smith had the prophecy revealed to him after translating the related passages in the Book of Mormon. So he added it at the back of Genesis in order to place the prophecy back into its original context. Joseph Smith didn’t just make it up to put himself in the Bible, it’s an actual prophecy that Joseph Smith restored by the gift and power of God, and has been vindicated in recent years by new discoveries.
@@KnuttyEntertainment The why does the new world translation always changed passages referring to Christ's deity? John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8 for two examples.
As a Christian living in Utah, this is so helpful. Thank you!!
BIBLE SCRIPTURES THAT DESCRIBES THE FALSE PROPHETS AND THE SECTS AND CUSTOMS AGAINST THE PRIMITIVE CHURCH AND TRUE DOCTRINES THAT CHRIST LEFT
there is no other gospel
Galatians 1:8-1
6 I am amazed that so soon you have turned away from the one who called you by the grace of Christ, to follow a different gospel. 7 Not that there is another, but that there are some who disturb you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But if even we, or an angel from heaven, announce to you another gospel different from the one that we have announced to you, let it be anathema. 9 As we have said before, I repeat it now: If anyone preaches to you a different gospel from the one you received, let him be anathema.
Matthew 7:15-20
Beware of false prophets; they approach in sheep's clothing, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Let's see, do you harvest grapes from brambles or figs from thistles? Healthy trees bear good fruit; damaged trees bear bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a damaged tree bear good fruit. The tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. That is, you will know them by their fruits."
Revelation 22:18-19
18I testify to all who hear the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to them, God will bring upon him the plagues that are written in this book; 19And if anyone removes from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will remove his part from the tree of life and from the holy city described in this book.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add anything to the word that I command you, nor take anything away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Revelation 22:7
Behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words, lest the tea rebuke and you be found a liar.
ECCLESIASTIC 23:17 DHHED
The one who surrenders to sexual passion, which burns like fire and will not go out until it is consumed. The womanizing man will not be satisfied until the fire devours him. The womanizer man seems good any bread, and he will not stop until he dies.
Exodus 20:14
14 You shall not commit adultery.
Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with vain words, because because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Timothy 6:20-21
O Timothy, keep what has been entrusted to you, and avoid empty {and} profane talk, and the objections of what is falsely called science, which some profess it, have strayed from the faith. May the grace be with you.
2 Peter 2:2
Many will follow his sensuality, and because of them the path of truth will be blasphemed;
2 Peter 2:18-19
Well, speaking with arrogance and vanity, they seduce by carnal desires, by sensuality, those who recently escaped from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves to corruption, for one is a slave to that which has defeated him.
John 4:1-5
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God; and this is the {spirit} of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and that now it is already in the world. Read more. My children, you are of God and you have overcome them, because he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world; that is why they speak on behalf of the world, and the world hears them.
1 Timothy 4:1-2
But the Spirit clearly says that in recent times some will apostatize from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the hypocrisy of liars who have seared their consciences.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
But I fear that, just as the serpent with its cunning deceived Eve, your minds may be diverted from the simplicity and purity {of devotion} to Christ. Because if someone comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit, which you have not received, or {accept} a different gospel, which you have not accepted, well tolerate it.
Hebrews 4:12
Because the word of God has life and power. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, and penetrates to the depths of the soul and spirit, to the most intimate part of the person; and puts the thoughts and intentions of the heart on trial.
This scriptures of the holy Bible is telling us that he is not s prophet of God and in Galatians 1:8
8 But if even we, or an angel from heaven, announce to you another gospel different from the one that we have announced to you, let it be anathema. 9 As we have said before, I repeat it now: If anyone preaches to you a different gospel from the one you received, let him be anathema.
Thank you for addressing this topic. Raised Mormon and a non denominational Christian today. 🙏🙏🙏
Amen!! So was I. Rejoicing with you in salvation!🤗✝️
What’s a nondenominational church? The church where you now belong, what’s it’s name. Please do tell. Why? Some of us may follow you?
I really appreciate the fact that you are both able to discuss the differences without snark or sarcasm. It shows that you are coming from a place of love. Thank you!!
Sarcasm can be loving. God uses sarcasm in the Bible.
Where is the love
in a fabricated history of North American dictated to a known fraud by an imaginary angel?
And where is the love in a carefully crafted story of betrayal, genocide, torture and murder that leads to eternal damnation
if the reader questions it's veracity?
Well Mike put out such a great video that the man who torched a Mormon church. No I'm not really blaming him for what a moron did. I just wanted to catch your eyes.
But people like the guy who burned down the church didn't agree with the Mormons beliefs.
Mike and people like Mike directly or indirectly inspire people to exercise hate because of the differences in religious beliefs.
Here's a segment from the article...
Vandeusen told police he had a problem with Latter-day Saints and their religious beliefs and that he wanted to see the Equinox “blow up,” the Republican-American reported.
Mike you and others are inspiring hate.....you may not mean to do that but you are. Be responsible or you will get people hurt.
I can easily point out how wrong you are on your interpretation of the Bible.
May God guide you. I pray for you.
Having lived in Utah for 7 years now, something that is important for Christians to keep in mind when talking with LDS people is that they use a lot of the same words, but have a different definition for them. So it will sound like you’re on the same page, but you’re actually talking about two very different things.
“The pearl of infinite price” always sounds like some sort of item u would find in a MMO like World of Warcraft lolololol
I always think of John Steinbeck’s novel, The Pearl, when I hear this tenet. A Mexican pearl diver finds a large pearl that temporarily changed his status. Catholicism at that time believed that people were born into a caste system and could not elevate their status. The story has much more stuff but that is what I was taught about the historical significance. I would think, “Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket,” would apply as well. It was definitely about greed, avarice, coveting, envy, racism, elitism, and selfishness.
I believe it's the pearl of great price that you are referring to. 777
@@nonprog7777 Yes. I read The Pearl in high school and never forgot it. But the social implications apply to today and it brings it to mind every time I see or hear of the Mormon tenet The Pearl of Great Price. But what is not mentioned when John Steinbeck’s Pearl is described in today’s liberal description is any reference to Biblical sources. They talk about folklore in Mexico not Matthew 13. I have always linked this novella with the Bible. I have no idea what Steinbeck had in mind, but the United States in the 1940s was saturated with Biblical ideology and stories. Any educated person would have had at least some knowledge of Jesus’ parables and this work is widely considered a parable. It is a very troubling story like all of his work. So the hardships portrayed stay with you. Full of struggles and loss. Unlike his works, Jesus always gives us hope.
@@claudiapoe5292 I just refer to the book of Job. Instead of a wierd twisted man who wrote books like The Red Pony. 777
@@nonprog7777 Of course the Bible supersedes all. I am not demeaning the word of God. However, we live in a world, temporarily, of people who have a history. Other things exist in this world that we should know about. All I was saying is that I believe that the book was influenced by the words of Jesus as they knew it. Yes, the Bible has everything we need for knowledge. But we don’t exist in a vacuum. Some understanding of how or why someone has beliefs contrary to what Christianity is all about helps us be a true witness for Jesus.
Not by chance! I have a morman friend coming over this afternoon. So cool to see this collab!
I pray that the Holy Spirit guides you.
I felt a wave of conviction when Allen was speaking of not coming off as judgemental when dealing with Mormons. I had a Mormon 'elder' approach me in the street just last wekk and I basically just said ''you're heretics''. I definately should have been a better Christian in that moment.
You weren't wrong. Another option, " sir the authority of scripture states that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Repentance and faith in Christ alone. He was the sinless spotless son of God. Scripture teaches that Jesus was one person of the trinity, not Satan's brother. So what you're saying is not biblical".
You're right, friend. Showing grace and love is essential in all our interactions, especially with people lost in false religions.
@@TrevorSheatz Love is not leaving them in hell though.
What you told them “you’re heretics” ..
Is a bold statement. Christians cant be lukewarm. So I would say personally its good you told them that
@@JesusIsLord7773 I don't actually regret the sentiment itself, it is just the truth as I see it after all. It's that I basically did just handwave the guy in contemptuous fashion.
First!
Sooo close. 17 seconds
You beat me to it
Lol
Great content as always Mike. Keep it going brother.
Lol
I would love to hear brief comparison of Christianity and Jehovas Wittness. 🙏 my husband's family are deep in the wittness ways and having a short video to reference would be awesome. (I've seen your longer videos and they are great!)
I'd love this, but I also recommend Ready To Harvest's video listing the differences between JW's and Christianity. RTH in general is a great channel to watch.
Mike has old videos on Jehovas Wittness you gotta see those if you haven't already
This is an excerpt from a way longer video. You could give them that video but timestamped, and that would have the same effect.
Yes look up Mike Winger videos as he does great studies on the false teachings of Jehova Witnesses
You can also look up Dr. Walter Martin’s videos here on TH-cam, as he had a powerful ministry to the cults for over 40 years.
I always love seeing a collaboration between Allen Parr and Mike Winger.
personally I had to unsubscribe from Allen Parr after his recent videos (especially after the video of him stating Jesus would be partying with Niki Minaj and Drake etc). Mike is very gifted though!
Al and Mike are not knowers.
And neither was Joseph Smith
and neither were the unknown authors whose written thoughts and beliefs
were selected by committee
to appear in the Judeo/Christian Bible.
Thanks. I really needed this. A Mormon I spoke to several months ago recently contacted me again and I'm hoping to lead him to a Gospel message and truth that actually saves.
I'll definitely be praying about this. I pray that the Lord will give you the right words to say to this person and that the Lord would open their eyes and ears to the truth. :)
This should be fun to watch.
Two ignoramuses arguing nonsense.
Did it happen?
@@JamesRichardWiley look guys, a third ignoramus
It's been 2 years how did your talk with the mormon go ?
Thank you for uploading this part of your video collab with Allen on its own, Mike!
My ❤️ in ministry is for reaching out to the LDS, as it is from where the biblical Christ saved me from.
Very appreciative of your work for the biblical Gospel!✝️😃
Two of my favorite YT men of God together! It's a great day. God bless.
Men of God.
What does that mean?
BIBLE SCRIPTURES THAT DESCRIBES THE FALSE PROPHETS AND THE SECTS AND CUSTOMS AGAINST THE PRIMITIVE CHURCH AND TRUE DOCTRINES THAT CHRIST LEFT
there is no other gospel
Galatians 1:8-1
6 I am amazed that so soon you have turned away from the one who called you by the grace of Christ, to follow a different gospel. 7 Not that there is another, but that there are some who disturb you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But if even we, or an angel from heaven, announce to you another gospel different from the one that we have announced to you, let it be anathema. 9 As we have said before, I repeat it now: If anyone preaches to you a different gospel from the one you received, let him be anathema.
Matthew 7:15-20
Beware of false prophets; they approach in sheep's clothing, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Let's see, do you harvest grapes from brambles or figs from thistles? Healthy trees bear good fruit; damaged trees bear bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a damaged tree bear good fruit. The tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. That is, you will know them by their fruits."
Revelation 22:18-19
18I testify to all who hear the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to them, God will bring upon him the plagues that are written in this book; 19And if anyone removes from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will remove his part from the tree of life and from the holy city described in this book.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add anything to the word that I command you, nor take anything away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Revelation 22:7
Behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words, lest the tea rebuke and you be found a liar.
ECCLESIASTIC 23:17 DHHED
The one who surrenders to sexual passion, which burns like fire and will not go out until it is consumed. The womanizing man will not be satisfied until the fire devours him. The womanizer man seems good any bread, and he will not stop until he dies.
Exodus 20:14
14 You shall not commit adultery.
Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with vain words, because because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Timothy 6:20-21
O Timothy, keep what has been entrusted to you, and avoid empty {and} profane talk, and the objections of what is falsely called science, which some profess it, have strayed from the faith. May the grace be with you.
2 Peter 2:2
Many will follow his sensuality, and because of them the path of truth will be blasphemed;
2 Peter 2:18-19
Well, speaking with arrogance and vanity, they seduce by carnal desires, by sensuality, those who recently escaped from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves to corruption, for one is a slave to that which has defeated him.
John 4:1-5
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God; and this is the {spirit} of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and that now it is already in the world. Read more. My children, you are of God and you have overcome them, because he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world; that is why they speak on behalf of the world, and the world hears them.
1 Timothy 4:1-2
But the Spirit clearly says that in recent times some will apostatize from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the hypocrisy of liars who have seared their consciences.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
But I fear that, just as the serpent with its cunning deceived Eve, your minds may be diverted from the simplicity and purity {of devotion} to Christ. Because if someone comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit, which you have not received, or {accept} a different gospel, which you have not accepted, well tolerate it.
Hebrews 4:12
Because the word of God has life and power. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, and penetrates to the depths of the soul and spirit, to the most intimate part of the person; and puts the thoughts and intentions of the heart on trial.
This scriptures of the holy Bible is telling us that he is not s prophet of God and in Galatians 1:8
8 But if even we, or an angel from heaven, announce to you another gospel different from the one that we have announced to you, let it be anathema. 9 As we have said before, I repeat it now: If anyone preaches to you a different gospel from the one you received, let him be anathema.
I have been to many Mormon services, including a baptism of an 8 yr old girl, a wedding and a funeral of a beloved father. Even though I don't believe or follow their practices as a Christian, I attended when invited and presented as the families wished without breaking my own faith. That's just respectful in my opinion. I've presented the truth to them and they always argue, but I can walk away from those interactions knowing that I planted a seed.
If you planted seeds then it was against God, Jesus Christ and their true Church here on earth. I can almost guarantee you that this "truth" you have presented is a misrepresentation of the Bible or our beliefs.
The Spirit if the Lord is in you. Jesus ate with tax collectors....and He healed on the sabbath ❤
Joseph Smith claimed to have an encounter(s) with an angel. I believe that he did. The problem is that it preached another gospel.
Galatians 1: 6-9 KJV
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Even Muhammad claimed to get his revelations from an "angel".
100% agree
@@evergreenprodigy3596 Very similar
Very true.
I was raised to believe that he has indeed seen the Father and the Son together. And the angel Moroni.
As a Christian of 20+ years who now reaches out to the LDS in hope to be used by Christ to help point them to His Cross, I believe he saw deceiving spirits. He, and his family of origin, were involved in the Occult.
Remember satan is an angel too. “Fallen angel”
Thank you guys for this video!
A good summary.
There are LDS missionaries that frequent the college campus in my area, and I often get into conversations with them.
Your videos on Mormonism have really been a good help.
Campus crusades competing for membership in rival religious cults.
All make believe.
It’s so sad how deceived they truly are because Mormons and even Jehovah witnesses are super extremely nice and not for nothing they are more dedicated to their religion than most Christians, but again they are being deceived and we just got to continue to pray for them that GOD opens their eyes 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
They are works based.
Exactly why it’s a good reminder that Satan comes as an angel of light. They’re are so many new age, pagan, Buddhist, Hindu, and atheist “nice” people.
I remember it was Matt Chandler who made the love for the true biblical Jesus simple: when he started describing his love for his wife and then describing her attributes like her brunette hair (when in reality his wife is blonde!) It was a perfect example of how someone so wrong NEEDS correction-from someone who can clearly see and have the patience and intent to get him to see the reality clearly too.
If someone professes belief in Christ, we should love them enough to rebuke their false belief or distorted unbiblical conclusions by using the “Colombo tactic” to help and guide them toward the truth.
But you can’t force the horse to drink the water when you’ve done the work to lead it to the water: so *that’s* when I think it’s appropriate to call them a heretic-when they are KNOWINGLY twisting scripture and leading sheep astray.
@@jessitabonita I agree 💯
@@denniscampbell242 I know all about the Mormon and JW religion, I’ve done my research so I know how to speak to them if need be. All cults are Work Based
By Grace we are Saved Through Faith
Amen 🙏🏼
That’s exactly how us Latter-Day Saints feel about y’all!
I hope there is a part 2, 3 & 4! Great video just much too short!
AH! THANK YOU for concisely refuting why Jesus is NOT Lucifer’s “spirit brother.”
A family member who tested me with that, justifying that weird belief by saying that Father God created both Lucifer and Jesus and if Jesus is our brother THEY are brothers.
It had me so grieved and frustrated I cried in anger. 😣
Such a wack belief system lol
It's a made up story.
It's fiction.
That's the bottom line.
God did not create Jesus. There are other illogical parts of that thought process, but the critically unbiblical thing is the claim that God created Jesus.
John 1-- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (in the original Greek, the order is switched for emphasis: God was the Word). He was in the beginning with God... All things were made through him [the Word], and without him was not anything made that has been made... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..."
That last part makes it pretty clear that "the Word" is Jesus. Coupling that fact with the rest of the passage, it's pretty clear that Jesus existed before anything was created, and was responsible for creating everything.
luciferians listen lucifer in temple endowment video newnamenoah
Satan is an angel, Jesus is a man.
Jesus' real brothers are those who accept the will of God, not lineage.
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12: 50
Before I forget I just wanted to say I'm really loving how you guys are doing collaborations. They're really enjoyable and very informative. It's very interesting because nowadays all of my favorite TH-camrs have been working together.
Love this. My husband recently started working with someone who is LDS and our families have grown quite close. It’s still very clear there’s a divide between us with our differences on this topic. Praying that as our relationship deepens we will continue having the opportunity to share the gospel with them. Neither of us live near family, so we are planning to spend the holidays together.
How did it go?
This is typically how families join the LDS faith. They see the marriages, children, work ethic, and general happiness and blessings in those families lives and eventually source it back to the covenants those people have made with God through the priesthood and Temple.
These types of YT discussions are always focused on doctrines and beliefs, which is fine... but they miss the most important unseen aspect of the Gospel of Jesus Christ... how it can bless the lives of those who walk the covenant path.
This isn't directed at you per se' - you seem very kind and sincere - but anyone im the thread trying to witness to their wayward Pseudo Christian Mormon friends
There is no faithful LDS person who would trade places with Allen or Mike. If you share the gospel of your local church (and try to convert them as our neighbors from Apologia Studios? did aggressively to us) then make sure you answer the most important question. How will it improve their lives now and in eternity?
They will be giving up eternal marriage, eternal families, & exaltation to exist in the presence of Jesus Christ and The Father and be ONE with them as Jesus pleaded in John 17.
To have blessings of wisdom, health, spiritual power Android protection for living the commandments, and to participate in building up the kingdom of God in the last days - the kingdom Daniel saw which shall never be destroyed.
If you can talk them out of giving all of this up the offering most be pretty good.
I would recommend keeping an open mind. These videos and those that buy into the Mormoms aren't real Christians narrative should remember Christ persuaded relatively few disciples during his ministry. The same thing that would happen if He came back today.
They read and study the King James Bible. They probably know it better than you too. Are you open to ever attending their worship services or will you just make incorrect assumptions from the internet?
@@ThirdBrainLives it’s been 9 months since I’ve written this comment. In those 9 months we have grown a beautiful relationship with our LDS friends. We’ve had many, many deep discussions about our differences in faith. I have read the BoM and attended some services in an effort to better understand my friends. While we do not believe most of what the LDS church teaches, we love our friends and continue to share the gospel with them, as well as maintaining our friendship for years to come.
And please don’t assume they understand the Bible more than my husband and I. We are all learning and growing together, but more often than not we are sharing scripture from the Bible with them that they never read before. They both are and come from very devout families, but like most churches and most Christian’s we know the more common scriptures we are taught at church and those are normally the books and verses we stick to.
Here’s to not assuming things and all learning and growing together. 👌
My two faves! Thank you guys for your wisdom. God bless you brothers!
When I was a teenager I had some Mormons knock on my door. They gave me a book of mormon and told me to read the book. I prayed before I started to read it, and I wasn't able to read the book, so I told them when they came back and they said I must be off my rocker. So i didn't continue with that, Jesus was watching over me.
❤️❤️❤️
Why couldn't you read it?
@@HaleStorm49 All I can explain is Jesus was looking after me, and I was protected.
@@PaulHoyle777 I'm struggling with accepting that Jesus would prefer you in a state of ignorance when He gave us faculties for gaining knowledge and discerning truth... but if thats how you interpreted it.
@@HaleStorm49 I had when I was 4 years old, given my life to Jesus. But had drifted away, and it took me a few more years to accept that I needed to give myself as an adult to him. I was 21 when i made that decision. I had drifted, and I had a turbulant early life.
Cool team up brothers ! Good you guys got together nice topic .
Blessings
Thank you for helping me re-connect. So much is thrown at us all the time. You do a good job of breaking it down. Appreciated.
Both these men are so gifted, awesome video, God bless you 2🙆🙏💞
Yes!!!! Two of my favorite Bible teachers together!
Got to love when your favorite shows get a crossover episode
Love both of these brothers in Christ! Thank both of you for the labor you do for the gospel of Jesus Christ! God bless!
This is amazing, recently I’ve been getting into this subject with my best friend and have done so much research to learn about Mormonism and to see this come out now is really a blessing.. to clarify my best friend is Mormon.
I hope you give your friend as much consideration as they give you, and vice-versa. Be careful when researching the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, there’s a lot of false rumors surrounding it. Even this video gets a number of things wrong. Most importantly, don’t expect your friend to be an expert apologist. While there are mountains of evidence supporting the Church of Jesus Christ, most Latter-Day Saints are completely unaware of it. Don’t make the mistake of conflating “I don’t know” with “it can’t be supported.”
Wow, that’s so sweet that you respect your best friend’s religion enough to… spend time on TH-cam finding new ways to trash it? Respect is a two way street.
@@clarakesi idk why you assume I only watch TH-cam for information, I’m going on every possible resource available.
@@KnuttyEntertainment thanks for the advise!
@@This.joshvlogs @josh janis Lolll 😂that made me smile in spite of myself, good one, very effective & distracting from the main point. Seriously, imagine the tables were turned (which is sometimes the only way I've been able to come out from seeing such un-Christlike hate of my people not bitter at other Christians as a whole). Us Latter-Day Saints don't do this, because we know what it's like to be on the receiving end, but imagine your friend constantly trash talks *Christianity* and partake of anti-Christian literature in "every possible resource available", putting all this energy into changing you, not accepting who you are. It seems like you care more about *being right* than getting it right with your interfaith relationship with your friend.
Great video guys! Small TH-camr here, good to see the big guys doing some colab. Well done!
startup youtubers unite!
@@thebrianliu heck ya dude! You got a sub out of me!
@@JonAdamsMinistries thanks man! im currently watching some of your videos.
Informative, important video. Thank you.
Thank you Pastor Mike & Parr....God Bless you guys🙌🙌🙌
The most far-fetched response I received from a Mormon missionary: He asks me where I go to church, I then explain it’s a Pentecostal church. His response? “Oh we speak in tongues as well!” Bro…are you even trying? Anywho, the fact that they consider the Bible practically last, should be a major red flag. I love their seriousness, and it’s admirable. However, it’s eye-opening the fact they’re a works-based belief system, yet Jesus paid the price for us to not need to “buy our way into Heaven.”
We aren't a work based belief system. We believe that we are saved by grace through faith but that faith isn't just professed belief and is also expressed in our behavior and/or works (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Isaiah 29:13). Or put simply, works are outward manifestations of faith in Christ however those works are not what saves us (Ephesians 2:10).
Two of my favorite Christian voices. Thank you for joining together to call out heresy.
Yes, Mike is a hero of mine!
Unfortunately, the video keeps referring to "the Mormon church." It's not a church! It's a demonic cult.
The only problem is that these guys get things consistently wrong about the Latter-Day Saints and the Church of Jesus Christ.
And it’s certainly not a cult, it doesn’t fit any criteria other than “it’s a cult because I don’t like it.” There are mountains of evidence in favor of the Church of Jesus Christ, but close minded people will likely never find nor accept it.
@@KnuttyEntertainment Expand, what do they get wrong?
They got a lot wrong, probably more than half of what they talked about. I actually went and rewatched the video to try and catch any I missed.
The whole thing about Joseph writing himself into Genesis 50 is wrong (I’ll have to go into more detail on this one, it’s more complicated.)
We do not believe that Jesus is a created being, we believe He is co-eternal with the Father.
We believe that Jesus is God, they said we put Jesus closer to the level of Lucifer, that’s wrong.
We don’t teach that Jesus is a married man, some will theorize about that, but then again, so will many other mainstream Christians.
We don’t believe in salvation by works, they took that verse in 2 Nephi completely out of context. (Almost every Protestant street preacher will try and twist this verse when confronting Latter-Day Saints.) Also, Nephi isn’t pronounced “neffy” it’s pronounced “knee-fi” like “defy” but with an N.
Lastly, the whole thing about changing the name from mormon to LDS isn’t at all what they said. The name of the church has always been “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” mormon is a nick name derived from the Book of Mormon, whose author was an ancient prophet named Mormon. The nickname mormon gives people the wrong impression. We want to make it clear that not only do we worship Jesus and only Jesus, but that we’re the complete restored Church of Jesus Christ. The same church that existed among the early Christians. It’s not about de-emphasizing the Book of Mormon. We’ll stand by it until our dying day.
The whole thing about the section added into Genesis is about an ancient Jewish prophecy given by Joseph of Egypt. Long story short, the Book of Mormon talks about an extended record of the Old Testament that existed in Jerusalem in 600 BC that was engraved on brass plates and contained the teachings of prophets and prophecies that had been lost by the time the Bible was being compiled. However, these claims are backed up by statements in the books of Enoch and the Dead Sea scrolls. One of these prophecies that is mentioned in the Book of Mormon but is mostly lost in the Bible is the prophecy of the Messiah Ben Joseph, a prophecy given by Joseph of Egypt. Only references to this prophecy’s existence can be found in the Bible, but some semblance of it still persists in some Jewish records, and a Rabbi will mention it every once in awhile. Joseph Smith had the prophecy revealed to him after translating the related passages in the Book of Mormon. So he added it at the back of Genesis in order to place the prophecy back into its original context.
@@KnuttyEntertainment Do you believe that God was once a man? Do you believe that you will someday be a god? Do you believe in salvation through Jesus alone in faith alone?
Nice to see the two of you, brothers contending together for the faith 🙏🏻🙌🏻❤️
I really enjoy such collaborations of you christian TH-camrs. 👍
My entire channel is about converting to Christianity from lifelong Mormonism, and I actually just barely discussed the "god cycle" the other day. If you ever want to hear the differences between Christianity and Mormonism from the perspective of someone who grew up in it, I got you. 😉☺️
P.S. It's pronounced, knee-fi, long I sound.
So glad your eyes were opened. Do you talk about it on your channel?
@@mosart7025 Yep! That's the whole channel. 🙂
From one cult into another. Good luck.
I thought the pronuccation was funny too and I actually grown up near a small town in Utah called Nephi (Knee Fiiii) but other still pronounced it Neffff eeee...
@@JamesRichardWiley You are in a cult.
Arrgh…. I had high hopes, after watching some of your other video’s, that you would do a good job of presenting the information in a less biased and more informed way - that way I felt good about watching your videos on other faiths. It started out good but there are some issues that crept in and you lost credibility [meaning I won’t be watching those other videos]. I will try and briefly share some of those issue, not to convert, but so you can better teach. 1st, remember that the teachings of the bible in those faiths you identify as Christian are base on man’s interpretation - none claim to have a prophet. Therefore, your interpretations of the bible are more open to error [which, if you don’t believe that “Mormons” are led by a true prophet puts the “Mormon” interpretation on equal grounds of validity] Remember, the 2 oldest copies of the Bible are not exactly the same. 2nd, using a person who has left a faith as justification for the truth of your faith is always dangerous - unless you can show that no person has left your faith and joined the “Mormon” faith. It really doesn’t help in teaching about a faith you don’t belong to. 3rd, I give you credit for trying to back up some of your points with references [FYI, Nephi is pronounced “knee - fi” - shows “Mormons” that you are at least partially educated on the faith; not a big deal, but it makes you look more credible], but you fall into a trap when you do not give historical context. Having studied the New Testament in at a secular college, there are many Old & New Testament scriptures that contradict each other and current Evangelical teachings [especially if taken out of context]. 4th, and this is one of the areas where a lot of credit is lost, you state that you must read the New Testament, not picking and choosing versus, to prove that “Mormonism” is wrong. The issue is you just spent a few minutes “picking and choosing” versus out of the Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon, but do not encourage anyone to read either of those books. It appears, to someone outside of your faith, as a little disingenuous [like you are hiding something]. And 5th, please get the history right of the faith you are teaching on. If you don’t get that right, then how am I, or others, to trust your other points. The official name of the “Mormon” church, as of April 26, 1838, is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” [D&C 115:4]. The name “Mormon” was a derogatory name persecutors used to identify members of the faith. Much later, the member’s and the church used it as a means of assisting non-members to know who was sharing the message, but the term “Mormon” was never created by the church. Sorry for how long the post is.
I, for one, appreciate a shorter video- not 1-2 hours long! Of course he isn’t going to cover every nuance of the LDS religion during this time, but it’s a high level overview. No need to get so theological on him.
I agree 100%
@@kneesflorists5860 I'm not sure I understand your comment as a presentation on a religion’s beliefs is theological in nature. I agree that it is nice that it is a short clip and that it should be a high level review.
My issue is two-fold: how a non-believer should present information on another faith and being a credible presenter of another faith’s beliefs.
Presentation - if you are going to teach about another faith, you should limit all comments related to the validity of the faith’s belief. You can state things like “this is not what I believe” or “this is different from what my/our faith believes” as those are opinions and point out a difference. Stating such things like “that isn’t what the bible teaches” is a statement of fact that must be supported by credible primary sources. Those sources must be more credible than any sources the other faith can use. Since the presenters of this video belong to faiths that do not believe in on-going revelation, they would not be able to present a more credible primary source [a primary source is one that either both or, at a minimum, the other side would believe]. Interpretation of a scripture is an opinion if there is nothing more definitive from the author / writer to support the interpretation [ think of it like going to trial].
Credibility - if you are presenting information on another faith, you need to show that you can be trusted to present the truth - or at least the truth to the best of your ability. The more you can show you have “done your homework” the more you can be believed. In this presentation, the announcer mis-pronounced one of the names in the Book of Mormon, as stated it isn’t a big thing, but it raises the question of whether you did your homework. The big issue came with the presenters stating the “Mormon” faith was changing its name. That is factually not true [hence the citation provided in the original post]. Getting information like the name of the faith wrong is a sure sign that the presenters did not do their homework - or that the source information used is incorrect. It would be like a presenter of your faith stating your faith was originally called "the Anti-Christ church of Satan" but then changed it to "[whatever your church is called]". Would you believe any other information that presenter presented? Without credibility, how can I, or anyone else, really believe any of the other information provided by either presenter.
I have enjoyed some of Mike’s other video’s and was looking forward to seeing his take on other faiths, but after getting the actual name of the “Mormon” church wrong [and without making some correction to the video] I don’t know how much I can trust his videos.
I love the synergy! Great teamwork.
I discovered both of you and your TH-cam platforms in the last couple of months as I was digging deeper into my faith and trying to get closer to God. I had some questions and was searching for answers. Your videos have been extremely helpful. Thank you for what you do! Please know that you are helping people even if they don't reach out.
I’ve read the whole New Testament and I am still a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
I’d like to ask about 2 Nephi 25:23 compared to Ephesians 2:8-9.
2 Nephi 25:23: “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”
Ephesians 2:8-9: For my grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing. It is a gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
One says we are saved after all we can do, the other says our salvation is not by our own doing. My friend, I really want you to consider contradictions like this in both the Old and New Testament compared to what the Mormon church teaches
Love your vids mike! It’s been a great help for me. I’m a young teen, and I particularly love your videos about why we can trust the Bible 😊 Pls make more videos for teens too ❤️
Genesis contains an eternal Hebrew god with two personalities.
The nice personality has a loving relationship with Adam and Eve
the evil personality set up a sting operation which led to their downfall.
Remember: God knows everything and has a Perfect Divine Plan with no mistakes.
@@JamesRichardWiley so shallow to troll young people. Read the New testament without preconceived notions so that you can gain a true understanding of scripture. I pray God will open your eyes.
@Don't Look at my account
It's inspiring to see teens who love God. Keep growing in your faith! Pastor Mike is such a great teacher. My teens also like DLM Christian Lifestyle on TH-cam.
I watched the full video at Alan's channel when it just came out! Really good video
As always Allen brings us beautiful slides and aesthetics.
My two favorite online pastors in one place!?
Thank you, Lord! :D
With their missionaries, who are usually extremely young, I try to use questions.
With them, it seems best to remain in "student" mode so that they don't run away so quickly and shut-down any conversation about the biblical gospel. When they try to change the subject, as a "student" you can ask them to go back to your strategic question instead of moving on to go down some other unrelated rabbit hole. Questions can center on the message of the gospel. I ask a lot about Ephesians 2:8-10 as compared to their very similar sounding 2 Nephi 25:23 in their Book of Mormon. They two do not match up. 1 Corinthians 15 is another good source for seed-planting questions to ask missionaries about. Grace to you!
As a returned LDS missionary, here is my view:
I don't see Ephesians as being in conflict with 2 Nephi conflict because of the definition of faith. Faith is "a complete trust in something or someone". So faith in Christ is complete trust in Christ. It is more than just a belief that He exists and can save you. It is that, COMBINED with a belief in and willingness to follow what He says. Remember, Christ said in Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingodom of heaven; but he who doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." If all that is necessary is a simple belief Christ can save you, Christ would have no need to differentiate between talk and action - anyone with enough energy to call "Lord, Lord" obviously believes Christ can save them.
Since I'm aware some people believe Christ's pre-resurrection words don't apply to them, I'd also like to take a look at James 2:19: "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." So again, belief isn't everything. It is a start, but not a complete picture of salvation. Devils can't be saved because they don't trust Christ, and actively rebel against Him.
A Christian is someone who follows Christ. Now of course, we are flawed humans, and for us following Christ might end up being an intermittent, incomplete thing. But that doesn't matter, because Christ's grace allows Him to open the way for us to follow. So as long as we follow Christ, we can be saved.
@Heather Gillette I respectfully disagree. We do have complete trust in Jesus Christ, and we believe it is only by and through Him we are saved. The ordinances you mention operate on His power. They are not our own power. This is why they are administered in His name, not the names of men.
- The Christ from the Bible is the Christ we love and follow.
- Our belief that children and heirs of God can indeed inherit "all the Father hath" does not imply we believe in multiple gods. God our Father is the only god we worship.
- If you believe "that doesn't mean they can do anything they want", I think we are in more agreement than you are accounting for.
@Heather Gillette well-said!
@@galiantus1354 Thank you! If you see this, would you please tell us about the part in 2 Nephi 25:23 which most directly stands in contradiction with the biblical Good News, which is "after all you can do" ? Ephesians 2:8-10 is clear and is not in contradiction with the Bible as a whole. But "after all you can do" is not the message of the biblical gospel. As you are a returned missionary, you may have encountered Christians showing you this difference and you may be able to share ways you have answered, I hope.
@@galiantus1354 p.s. you defined faith, but faith is also defined at the beginning of Hebrews 11, which you may already know. Where did you serve your mission, if you don't mind me asking? I admire that!
One of my fave apologists together, yay! God bless you guys.
Screen shot slides, Allen and Mike, so thank you for giving us this teaching
I was raised Mormon from birth and took over 40 yrs to see it had issues and then this past ur to really see there were issues. My parents are in their 80s and are Mormon and over the summer I showed my mother the plain text in the Bible about where Jesus went those 3 days after his death as they believe he went to the American content and she admired she never heard of Abraham’s bosom and I only wish I knew more to convince here but I think I planted a seed. She has to have thought about this since. But my dad has something with in him that will never let her think for herself and it’s sad. I want them both saved but sometimes I feel I have to wait until my dad is gone to save my mother.
Praying for them... and for you to know the best words to say and verses to share.
Jesus didn’t go to the America’s while His body was in the tomb, He was in the spirit world
To add to Jordan's comment, Jesus only went to the Americas AFTER He had risen (else how else would the Nephites be able to see and touch the marks in His hands and side?)
It’s funny because if they really are right than why would they be ashamed of what they teach and avoid answering questions?hmmm good points, Mike
Occult translates to "that which is hidden." Mormonism like many cults also traffic in the occult by hiding at least some of their practices and teachings until you reach a certain status in the church. It's a real problem.
@@davidryan8547
You're so right, David! They also have a strong connection with Freemasonry.
Are you familiar with Glenn Beck the radio broadcaster? He and his 2nd wife got involved with a Mormon church. It's too bad that he doesn't see the truth! Glenn is also involved with high-level freemasonry.
I also recently learned that freemasons started JWs and Mormons. That wouldn't surprise me. So, yes, both groups are cults!
There are many instances of Christ and the Apostles intentionally withholding doctrines and teachings that disciples were not ready to accept. Its not shame, it's biblical precedent. That's why Paul taught milk before meat. Its why only 3 Apostles were present at the Transfiguration and were sworn to secrecy.
At root, it's that some people know the scriptures better than others.
I’m not the least bit ashamed of what we teach. You incorrectly assume that the claims made in this video accurately reflect our beliefs- just as nobody should assume that what I say about your faith is true ot in proper context.
Great video. Keep it up.
Exactly love both of these channels
last day I stepped into Mormon church was a Christmas event put on by the children. Not a single word about Christ or bible scriptures, only Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith, Book of Mormon, book of Mormon
This literally did not happen.
Ex Mormon here. A lot of time is spent talking about things other than Christ, such as LDS cult history, current/former LDS cult prophets, LDS cult history. It's appalling how little Jesus is ever mentioned.
I just finished witnessing to a mormon missionary today. He was very adamant that evidence doesn't matter because "we walk by faith not by sight". Its frustrating but hopefully I planted a seed the holy spirit can use. May God give us grace for our conversations with these people
He’s not wrong though, we have faith and are blessed when we choose to believe though we haven’t seen. In the total absence of evidence, theoretically, would faith still be enough or would you be free to choose as you please because there is not enough evidence of any kind for you to make a decision?
@@LHJlives We don't walk by blind faith though. That's the thing. I have asked and Jesus has most certainly revealed Himself to me multiple times through things that cannot be explained. I walk by faith in what I know, not what I think to know.
Who said anything about blind faith? I taught my students in Sunday school that God does not want blind faith, but faith nourished and strengthened by God. Our Church teaches that everyone must become converted by asking God for truth, and being receptive for when that truth comes. Believing for the sake of believing means nothing, though I suppose many would argue that’s still better than nothing. Even the Book of Mormon doesn’t ask you to just believe it, but to ask God if it is true or not.
@@LHJlives My bad I read that wrong! I thought you meant “believing though we haven’t seen” in the sense of evidence. I agree with you fully!
the whole point of religion is faith. the double standards between burden of evidence you place on us and y'all... faith is not blind. love Jordan's explanation.
Thanks for this Mike!
Be loving, inviting and ask lots of questions. Ask to get to know them. They are often separated from families.
I’ve had so many amazing conversations and relations with them when they come by.
Former Mormon here. Nice job. As far as the scripture is concerned. When I joined, no one even mentioned the D&C or POGP! I wa shocked when I found out. If you ever want to hear more, I would be happy to talk.
If you joined up without a familiarity with their canon, that’s on you.
@@ClintThomsenhe didn’t say it wasn’t?
I'm LDS (yes, I don't use Mormon, as y'all pointed out in the video the verbiage shift), and am still an active participant of the religion. I just wanted to say that I appreciate your non hateful approach to discussing our differences, and if I may say so, it was very Christian of you ;)
Mostly I wanted to say that I feel a strong brotherly bond with my Christian community, even if we are seen as the cult-people. Even if you don't want to say we are Christian, I appreciate that you acknowledge that any fully practicing LDS is doing so out of a sincerity in that we actually believe the things we believe and are not trying to corrupt Christianity. As the world becomes more anti-Christian, I hope it will be clearer that we are allies and not another enemy in the world.
what do you mean you are not mormon? You got weird cult man.
*Mark, when it comes to Mormon beliefs... what is the "final authority" on what MORMONS ACTUALLY BELIEVE? Is the "final authority" The Book of Mormon? Or... is the "final authority" the Holy Bible? Just curious. Respectfully yours. -Matthew Clay*
@@matthewclay6535
Great question. The final authority is God, however the existence of several religions is proof that is hard for us to agree on what that means.
Since a prophet is a spokesperson of God, I'd say that makes them the next best thing. From the Mormon perspective, the Holy Bible and Book of Mormon are both collections of books written by prophets, and we also believe that prophets still exist, specifically the current leader of our church. Prophets are people though, thus not infallible, as best as they want to emulate Christ. Because prophets teach current and future generations, but speak through the lens of their current culture and mortal biases, it *could* be argued that the ultimate authority of our religion is the most current leader, so neither of the writs.
However, I would argue that if a person is willing to do due diligence in their study of the Word from all prophets available, and seeking with guidance of the Holy Spirit, that they will see that there is no need for one ultimate authority to trump the others because they all teach the same things. The more you sincerely seek to know the Savior, you will see through 'contradictions' that naturally occur when you have imperfect people lead us to a perfect God, even if they were called by Him.
As a TL;DR, there isn't one authority. The more the merrier, as each will compliment or provide more context that help you to understand Him, assuming the ultimate source of it is God. And if you don't know its' source, you can ask God if it is, as long as you seek the answer from the Spirit and not from man's wisdom.
The Bible says that if someone comes along claiming to be a prophet but they contradict what God has already revealed before, then they are not from him.
According to Joseph smith, “We have imagined and supposed that God has been God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil that you may see.”
But according to God thousands of years earlier, ““You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.”
Isaiah 43:10
So, I know there are many religions but what matters is what God has already revealed about Himself. And if anyone says otherwise, it’s not wise to listen to them.
Hope you consider this, my friend.
Blessings Allan and Mike .
Not on topic but I'm liking the new intro 🙌🏽☺
I have a Mormon friend. I pointed out many red flags. She did say it's not emphasized and that it's "deep doctrines". I even asked her to read the new testament and I would read it with her, but she declined. She said she was going to read Doctrines and Covenants instead.
She likely chose to read the D&C instead because that’s what we’re focusing on as a church this year, next year will be all about the Old Testament.
Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints here.
One podcast I have really enjoyed to better understand the New Testament is the Ten Minute Bible Hour.
In the church there is a rotation of what book of scripture is being studied each year. This year is the Doctrine and Covenants which is probably why your friend said that. Here's what the rotation looks like:
New Testament
Book of Mormon
Doctrine and Covenants
Old Testament
Jesus Christ is of course at the core of everything that is being taught.
There is not a single Latter Day Saint who would decline to read the New Testament.
@@ClintThomsen She's reading it now, praise God!
@@stephennaylor4457 Doctrine and Covenants is not a book of scripture nor is the book of moron. Only the Bible is the Word of God and scripture. Why do you believe this lie?
I'm always impressed with both of your gentle, loving and compassionate explanations of the truth of our Bible!
I enjoy learning from both of you!
I was raised by a Buddhist and a non practicing catholic. I was given free choice in my future faith. What a whirlwind of different religions and denominations I've been exposed to! I was catholic for a few years.
I've become a follower of Jesus! Truth is sometimes difficult to find. The Bible has been a struggle for me. What I read and determine on my own understanding is usually NOT the correct interpretation. So I've been listening to both of you and Jack Hibbs to help me.
Thanks Mike and Alan for these helpful videos! 🙌
Allen, my apologies 🙏
Praise God Tammy! Keep pressing into the truth!
@Jack O'Bean you must not understand...I knew absolutely nothing about the Bible. Starting in the king James, was brutal for me.
I enjoy how kind they are when representing 'their' careful and well researched thoughts.
@@juliequates9529 Amen 🙌
You should read the Book Of Mormon.
Thank you, Allen and Mike.
Love this!
Ex Mormon here… read this comment and know that what you believe I once believed and that believe is false. I too was convinced, served a mission, did all that I needed to do in the temple etc. read my words it’s all false. The true Christ is not found there, the Christ of the Bible is the true Christ. Now you Mormons say we believe in the Christ of the Bible, I said the same thing… but read my words! It is not the same Christ! I beg you to study deeply and come to the true Christ and to the true gospel, it is much more beautiful than you can imagine.
I left Mormonism too feeling completely abandoned by God. Now born again and know why it felt that way.
It could all be false but I still wouldn't want to follow anyone I know or love down the path they took after breaking their covenants. Too obvious of a step down.
9:20 In Brandon Sanderson’s Stormlight Archives, the oaths each person takes to unlock their powers and become stronger is pretty much the Mormon doctrine on salvation. It’s an excellent fantasy series, but keep that in mind when you read Sanderson novels.
Huge Brando Sando fan but just left the church. I never realized that parallel.
This was a great teaching - it was so good to see both of you together!
Pastor Mike - I have a question. I’ll try to get it into the next 20,but I’m not sure about timing.
What do you think of the 1973 movie version of “Jesus Christ Superstar.” I’m particularly interested in what you think of Judas’ songs and Jesus in Gethsemane. Thank you from Japan!
Very interesting. A little bit of truth spackled with twists, vagueness, misunderstanding. But as you said, we should love everyone as individuals. Hope you have a great day, and I hope these conversations can lead you to better understanding in the future. God loves you :-)
I've had numerous extended interactions with LDS missionaries. It's painful to get them to admit they believe anything controversial. They always speak in really ambiguous ways and try to sound like normal Christianity plus a few bonus doctrines.
Only once did the missionary admit he believed different doctrines from me. In that event, he just argued that Christianity was too ambiguous on what God is really like and the LDS had answers. I didn't know what to say because he sounded so obviously wrong. (You're church tells you things but you don't know if they are true) Anyway, an older me is more prone to point out obvious flaws in what someone else says.
Nowadays I still tell them that I want to talk to them. But I also make it clear that I want to convert them. At that point they just nicely say goodbye.
What does controversial mean?
@@HaleStorm49 I mean that they keep insisting they believe what I believe with a few minor additions.
As an active member of the church of Jesus Christ (Mormon), I appreciate the respect you showed while explaining these teachings.
Question: does any religion that deviates from your modern view/interpretation of the Bible considered a cult?
Have you considered reaching out to a Mormon scholar, or at least an active member of the church?
Even I, who is an engineer (not a theologian) can explain a couple Misinterpretations you guys had in there.
More understanding can help convert us “cult” members from our false religion.
Lastly, would like to let you know I do watch and enjoy your channel as I believe that anything builds faith in Jesus Christ is something I seek after
@Heather Gillette this video is claiming I belong to a cult simply because my beliefs of Jesus Christ differ from their interpretation of the bible. I belong to it because of the spiritual experiences I've had, and the evidences I've found of having the attributes of Christ's original church.
I struggle with the BITE model because of this:
One can argue all religion control behavior to some degree.
Living off faith is a necessity so control of information can be argued as well.
Jesus does tell us to control our thoughts.
Emotion can be argued as well because we feel guilt when we sin and is important for repentance.
I don't think christianity is a cult (obivously because I am one).
I think cult is not a light term to throw around because it can put well meaning and intentioned people in the same category as Jim Jones & Charles Manson.
At the end, I do think it's important to be aware of cult characteristics to keep yourself safe, but don't just throw that word around unless you know
@Heather Gillette I agree 100% with the notion that Satan can be sly. The phrase Satan will tell you 9 truths to make you believe 1 lie comes to mind. Our church doesn't believe it's the only source for truth.
Joseph Smith wrote " If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things." That is a lot of the reason why I follow this youtube channel is so I can learn what other followers of Jesus are saying.
Thanks for your insight and feedback
@Heather Gillette Yes you are right. Here is the full quote:
"We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things."
I wasn't trying to misrepresent but just keep it concise. Joseph Smith tributes what Paul says and says this is something we strongly believe in.
My husband just became Mormon and I'm never going to convert. I've attended several church services and listened to the missionaries ( who are some of the nicest people I've met) but all in all LDS idolizes Joseph Smith and I can't stand by it. Especially when they told me that the garden of Eden was in Missouri.... C'mon. Also, I don't like the church services. There's no biblical teaching it's all out of the BoM which is NOT a bible. They keep talking about the holy spirit being in the church and I don't feel it I started to doubt myself. What makes this cultish is that they don't want you to compare the Bible with the BoM because then you'll learn the truth. They want you to stay brainwashed so they can keep taking your money.
@@Amanda-kb8ok I understand your concern of idolizing Joseph Smith. He's not Jesus. Jesus is the greatest.
Every time I open the scriptures, I feel it speaks of the importance the ancient prophets and their teachings.
I was just reading reading Hebrews and I see how many Hebrews struggled with the concept that jesus should be above their scripture. I hope you can understand that just because a church is different, doesn't make it a cult
Love the vids sir, also……….
What denomination are you?
You're the man Mike.. praise Jesus
Why is nobody talking about “The Chosen”? I’ve heard (and read) on several occasions Dallas Jenkins (the producer of The Chosen) say that Mormons are fellow brethren in Christ and that we worship the same Jesus.
Hey Brother, I am just reaching out to say that we do worship the same Jesus, the same God, born as man, from a mortal mother and and immortal father. We believe the Bible is the word of God, New and Old testament, and we believe the Book of Mormon (BOM), as well as Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price are all in that category, we do not believe any of them "supersede" the others. Some people have subjective favorites (for example my favorite book of scripture is the new testament), but none invalidates the other. Thus is why we refer to the BOM as another testament of Jesus Christ.
@@aidanthomas250 There are important differences to consider. The Mormon Jesus is Lucifer’s brother and the off-spring of Elohim and one of his Goddess wives.
Historical Christianity on the other hand has always taught Jesus is God and created Lucifer along with everything else that exists. When LDS President Gordon Hinkley was asked whether he believes in the same Jesus as Christians he replied, “ No I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
Do your research down the corridor of history from now until the Apostle’s time. From the apostle John, to his disciple Igantius, to his disciple Irenaeus, to his disciple Hippolytus and so on. Jesus was always believed to be the Eternal God Yahweh. The scholarship and archaeology all support historical Christianity. 👍🏼
MapleBoarder78 President Hinckley was correct, we don’t believe in the traditional Christ that has been developed over the last 2,000 years. We believe in the historical Christ that actually lived and rose from the dead.
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Do you believe Christ Jesus is a created being?
@@LHJlives I get where your coming from as a Mormon member, I totally get it. But Mormons have a responsibility to study church history. There was no Christ that was “developed over 2,000 years”. Read the Gospels and the writings of every church father that followed. Ignatius, Clement, Polycarp, Tatian, Justin Martyr, Theophilus, Tertullian, Patrick, and on and on. From the Apostles through their direct disciples, through their disciples and on through the centuries until now, Jesus never “developed”. He’s the same now as he was then, the eternal God in human form. He was never created. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have been eternally God. Church history and the Gospels prove this. There is no ambiguity. But 1,800 years after Christ two men appear and change the story. Joseph Smith claimed God was not eternally God and was once a man who lived on a planet and “became” a God and starts the Mormon religion. Charles Taze Russel is the second man. He claims Jesus is the Arch Angel Michael and starts the Jehovah’s Witness Organization. These two religions separated themselves from the real Christ and made up their own versions.
Again, don’t take my word for it. Do the research and study in-depth church history. Be ready to be shaken. 👍🏼
Ex Mormon here. No, they are not Christian.
I heard Micah Wilder’s testimony on Redeem TV documentary. Adam’s Road Ministry is the name of their band and have great music that is clear gospel message.
I'd love a video about SCJ (Shing Cheong Ji or something like that) - the seem to be a massive problem in Germany now and I don't know where else. 😔
And I could help with your pronunciation of LDS terms. Loved that Mike and Allen using pronunciations that borrow from their Greek understanding. Nephi is pronounced Nee-fye. Moroni is pronounced More-own-eye. Forgive my phonetics. And, yes, LDS people are good people who warrant love and respect.
Noone is good. Only God is good. We are told to spread the Gospel with gentleness and respect. Has nothing to do with thinking a certain group are good when they are not good and that somehow warrants love and respect.
Hey Allen and Mike! I am working as a church planter in Utah and engage regularly with LDS members on a spectrum from inactive to missionaries. I hope I can provide some insight. As evangelicals, we hold a high view of orthodox theology with our authority as God's Word, the Bible. LDS don't necessarily do the same even with their own scriptures, but rather hold a high view of allegiance (to the prophet, the church, the family, etc.) and orthopraxy (following all the right commands). Their own scriptures are rarely preached in their sacrament meetings. While their scriptural authorities are those four works you mention, their real divine authority is the word of the prophet and other church leaders.
I'd totally agree with the suggestion for how to share the Gospel with LDS! Even though they don't fully trust the Bible, the New Testament (specifically Jesus's words) is saturated with the Gospel. The more they hear and meditate on Jesus's words, the more they'll see the distinction from their beliefs.
@@elliotthill7008 Yes! Utah is an amazing, challenging, and heart-breaking place to engage God's harvest field. Certainly not to be taken lightly! If you would like to visit Utah, I'd be happy to meet up with you and show you around!
Exactly. You are on point with all you stated.
Thank you for your work in Utah! Are you a church planter with Apologia church?😀
@@FromJosephtoJesus No, we are functioning with a network called NoPlaceLeft. By your username, I'd guess you left the LDS church to follow Jesus? Praise God for his goodness!
@@winston1daniel Yes, Daniel, praises go all to the Lord Jesus Christ! He brought me out of Mormonism a bit more than two decades ago, after I was raised LDS since age 6 and being a very dedicated member.
A couple of years ago, I was very impressed to begin speaking about the biblical truth in comparison to Mormonism, and I have a small YT channel doing that.
I can relate well to when you wrote that outreach to them is many things, heartbreaking being one of them. It is deeply painful to see the ongoing deafness and blindness of very sincere and hardworking Mormons, who reject the Bible to keep on trying to make themselves righteous. Both relatives as well as people I only interact with online.
We are commanded to keep on sharing and trust the Shepherd with all the rest, so that’s what we will do, with His grace.
I have family spread out in UT and I pray for your harvest there to be plenty! ❤️✝️
Hi Daniel, a lot of what you said is inaccurate regarding where we get authority as we understand it as well as our scriptural usage. When you mention authority to a Latter-day Saint we understand that as priesthood authority which we receive from someone worthy to ordain another. Our priesthood lineage can be traced back to Joseph Smith who received the Aaronic priesthood from John the Baptist and the Melchizedek from Peter, James, and John as you likely know. They all received theirs ultimately from Christ. We don’t receive any authority to preach or administer ordinances by just reading the Scriptures. Those who desire to serve God can do so at any time and are commanded to do so, but to do anything requiring priesthood authority requires they first receive it from someone who can ordain them. The house of the Lord is a house of order.
As for quoting scriptures, I have no idea where you got that from. It’s the first I’ve heard of it. Just this past Sunday in sacrament meeting I heard verses from the Bible and from the Triple Combination being used. I was struggling with my three year old at the time so I couldn’t tell you exactly which ones they were unfortunately. A few weeks ago when I gave my talk I used verses primarily from the Old Testament and summarized a story in the Book of Mormon.
You’re familiar with General Conference, when was the last time you listened to a session? I challenge you to listen to this latest one and see how often scripture is quoted.
Both teachers of the Bible good, but I can just listen to Mike all day long!!! Thx brother.
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Great presentation! I remember reading No Man Knows My History by Fawn M. Brodie and being so confounded by how anyone could think mormons are Christians.
According to Dr. Walter Martin it's a cult and I originally read his book The Kingdom of the Cults. It was extensive.
Anything that changes existing dogma and vernacular to mean something else is warning sign number one in my book when it comes to cult practice.
Love Dr. Martin’s teachings so much!
His videos, tapes and books have helped me greatly in my own outreach to the LDS.😃
Unfortunately, the video keeps referring to "the Mormon church." It's not a church! It's a demonic cult.
@@FRN2013 I somewhat beg to differ. The Mormon religion is a demonic cult, for sure. It is also a church, as they are called out from daily life to attend their meetings.
This makes them an ecclesia,( or church). It is however, NOT the Church that Jesus built, or called out from the world to worship, and glorify him!
I have a dear family member who is Mormon, and she is sincere in what she believes. I just can not agree with her doctrinally. Which in the Mormon mindset is persecution.
They need our prayers, and our love, if we would effectively share the faith with them!
The only problem is that doesn’t hold up. The Church of Jesus Christ is not a cult, and its Latter-Day Saints are not cultists. It’s not the one changing doctrine, you are. If your beliefs don’t match the restored church of Jesus Christ, it’s because they’ve changed over time, not Him. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. One example is baptism for the dead. This was a regular Christian tradition in the early church. Paul even talks about it in 1 Cor. 15:29 this is backed up by the archeological data as well. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg.
@@KnuttyEntertainment except Joseph Smith "is" Mormonism, along with Brigham Young. And they came much later than the gospels. They changed the words, the rules, the dogma, when the Bible is really clear about not doing that. So try actually reading the book I mentioned before commenting again.
Love this crossover
My mom's side of the family is Mormon and my dad's side of the family grew up mostly baptist I think. But me and my siblings grew up mostly Christian non-denominational, so I have a bit of a mixed bag of religion. Thanks for doing this series.
I'm not a Latter-Day Saint, just wanted to point out that the slide titled "What do Mormons Believe About Salvation" is a bit misleading, in my understanding. They believe that *almost* everyone who has existed is saved through Christ. What you seem to be referring to in that section is what they call "Exaltation", which is something beyond simply being saved. That being said, I'm far from an expert, so don't expect me to know answers to a bunch of questions on the topic.
Your humility may be the reason you understood the distinction and they do not. Its a BIG difference and is present throughout the Bible.
God bless.
Benjamin, you’re correct. Thank you.
Speaking for myself, I do not see 2 Nephi 25:23 which states "it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do" as a contradiction to Ephesians 2:8 which states "For by grace are ye saved through faith". Faith is not only a belief, but a belief that moves one to action- as stated in both James 2:17 and 20 which says "faith without works is dead". The work alone doesn't save us but only proves our faith which then in turn makes us worthy to receive that grace.
“After all we can do” suggests that we aren’t saved if we don’t do all we can. In other words, our works don’t just demonstrate our salvation, but participate in our salvation. We run as far as we can, and then God’s grace takes care of the rest. This is not biblically sound teaching.
@@levifox2818 I'm not suggesting that our own work has any measure in saving ourselves. Rather, we are told to have faith, which is proven or shown by our works or in other words keeping the commandments. The greatest commandment: to love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. When we have that kind of faith, Jesus Christ can judge and say something like, "Ok, because you have shown your faith (by keeping the commandments with all your might), you can have my grace." Which grace, and only that grace, pays for the price of our salvation in its entirety.
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Grace is never imparted because of works or else grace would cease to be grace (Romans 11:6). I think I understand where you are trying to go, but I think it fails to harmonize the LDS teaching with the Bible.
@Heather Gillette I agree, He has already stepped in. He has already paid the price, for everyone who has lived or will live. And that He wants us to accept Him. If we truly accept and love Him we will be obedient to the commandments He has given us. Can we say that we have loved Him if we have not strived to keep His commandments? In Matthew 25 Jesus gives the parables of the ten virgins, the talents, and dividing sheep from goats. In this chapter I believe He is speaking not only to the whole world but more specifically, to the members of His church.
The greatest crossover of all time!!!
The cult like aspect of Mormonism, more than the doctrine, is the level of control that you run into in a place like Utah, where 'everybody' is LDS. It's the structure of the church and the requirements. Everyone takes turns running the church, and there is a hierarchy, as well as requirements that must be met every year (The Temple Recommend) that in some cases can cost you your job.
I saw the thumbnail without reading the title and my first thought was that this was a video ABOUT Allen Parr. Got a little shocked thinking you were accusing him of leading a cult.
I had to go back and look at the thumbnail after reading your comment, because I just saw Mike’s face and clicked. The timing must have caught me just right, I laughed loudly how Mike is seemingly pointing toward Allen
BAHAHAHAHA ah that’s so funny 💀
Wow, I thought that I knew about the LDS belifs but this is a real eye opener about the beliefs of the church itself. They really don't let people know about their beliefs but more about family and other aspects of the people who represent the LDS church.
quick question! I am from Anderson,SC… home of the first Newspring. This past Sunday there was a “teaching” defending the fact that they now have a woman pastor on staff, the video is on TH-cam. If you have the chance in your busy schedule I would love if you could do a Bible response on the matter. Thanks a lot!
Thanx, Gentlemen 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Nephi is pronounced "knee-figh"
Lol, that killed me. I use to always pronounce it wrong too, it took me forever to fix it 😝
The fact that they can’t properly pronounce the name of a pivotal figure to our faith is telling.
As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints I really appreciate the respect that you showed in doing this video. I have watched many of the other videos on your channel and have loved your commentary from a Christian view. However, despite the issues you may see with some of our beliefs does not make us a cult. I love the Savior Jesus Christ and truly desire to follow him. That I believe makes me and others like me a faithful Christian.
Mormons aren't Christians by any stretch. Suck it up.
Sorry but mormons are not Christian they have twisted it all out of what is true. I would suggest to get away from that mormon church and get into a real Bible believing church .
Joseph Smith said anyone not mormon belong to the church of Satan and we are corrupt
Hey Mike! I couldnt be here on Fridays to ask you questions but i do have one for you. I was replying to a comment saying "abortion" in a post about things that are not in the Bible but people think they are and somebody quoted Exodus 21:22-23, that people would be fined if they were fighting and accidentally hit a pregnant woman and her child came out prematurely (or die), they'd only be fined but if there were serious injuries then they'd be punished according to what they've caused (an eye for an eye, a life for a life). That comment said if a fetus was a human and had life, why weren't the offenders killed if they accidentally kill the baby but only were if they killed the mother? How do i answer to that and how should i understand that part of Exodus?
Hello brother Mike, I will love if you can shed some light on the group called grail movement in America but also known as grail message in some countries in Africa.