@@patrickmwakitwange9623 She sure did. I guarantee you if the "model" had make-up that made her look asian to sell beauty products to the asian community, Jeannie would have a problem with it.
Well of course, who the hell wants struggle, we all only want the good things 😂 Your struggles are not emma hallberge's problem, she is just trying to look good and make money.
Oh god, the black race isn't the only race that has suffered in the history of humankind. Everyone will take something from another race, it has happened in the past and will continue because it's the way of expanding and evolving.
Jeanni Mai made the comparison several times and included pictures. Jeanni even pointed at the picture of Patrick Starr to prove her point. Gender identity and race are two different subjects
YEAH THEY KNEW THE DIRECTION THIS SHOW WAS GOING INTO SO THEY GOT RID OF TAY TAY. THEY KNEW SHE WOULDN'T BE FAKE ON TOPICS LIKE THIS AND ADRIENNE'S TUNE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE UNDERSTANDING I BET. SHE FOLLOWED TAY LIKE A PUPPY. OR WAS IT TO STUDY A BLK WOMAN LIKE THE KARDASHIANS DO U KNOW SHE LOVES THEM
@Unknown Unknown some people just want tan skin. Doesn't have anything to do with race. When black people make their skin lighter nobody is saying they are trying to be white. Black people don't own dark skin.
to me tamera was just in the wrong not know what was going on cuz the girl said she was white but tamera was like oh is she black or both but said she was white not black only loni was right in this one
Georgi loves 💜 makeup is the same as “blackface” as she’s just wearing dark foundation after tanning. Ur hella dramatic. And Patrick does more than wear makeup, he has on fake looking chest, dresses, heels etc
@Georgi loves I seriously doubt that Adrienne is acting I mean since she grew up on Disney Channel I believe that she's just as stupid as any other of the former Disney Channel kid stars.
I’m white and I love black women. I think black women are beautiful, but I can appreciate their beauty w/o trying to copy it. And her making money off of it is wrong when there are a lot of beautiful black models who are looking for opportunities to represent their race and culture.
They can all do it. This white girl black fishing doesn’t take away from the real black women. What do people mean by taking away opportunities from real black women. Not like we have a limited number of how many people can be a model, be famous ????
Chonlada W. bc Emma collabed with a makeup company to make a highlighter for darker skin tones when it isn’t even for her natural skin. that opportunity could’ve been given to a real brown girl but instead it was given to a white woman posing as black
Dr Boom they all wear fake hair for the show , end of the day Loni shows her natural hair sometimes on Instagram and posts pictures . She’s not trying to look another race she still looks black but try again
With questions like "would I be considered 'blackfishing'?" (because of my bronzed summer complexion), I can't help but feel like Adrienne often "plays dumb". An unpreventable, seasonal tan is very different than intentionally darkening your skin and texturizing your hair.
I don’t think she is playing dumb, I agree with A and Jeanie. Where do we distinguish the difference. I was always called “white wash” because of my hair color and my style, so to me this is so dumb.
Well ain't he born a man though? And dresses in female clothes? Can he be happy with being a male and dressing like how a male is supposed to be dressed? I dont care how Patrick star dresses, just like people need to stop worrying about this girl for real for real. if the bitch face tunes her pics let her face tune her pics
Gingeeblush “female clothes” and “male clothes” are extremely subjective. Make up being only for women is completely subjective. It was invented and worn by men first. As were heels, btw. And having a garment of a certain pattern or flow on the body shouldn’t bar men from wearing it. I bet you have no problem seeing women wear pants or wear suits which were once seen as inherently male. I’m sure seeing a woman with short hair doesn’t make her a man. Just stop, your comparison falls short.
Or make up too! Wtf who says Make up is just for women and it was so ignorant and stupid for her to say that he is not being who is he is because he is wearing make up when that can easily be applied to us women too with that Logic
Tamera actually was siding with loni. Idk if you watched part 1. Tamera made several good points. Jeannie is the one being ignorant. And Adrienne acting slow.
So genuine question - So if it bothers u a white girl being so tan / dark , then how to u feel about black women on a daily basis wearing Blonde, sleek , straight wigs all the time? Is that not white fishing?
They want black women's features, but still want to keep their privilege. At the end of the day she can wipe that off before a job interview or even to go out in the public and not have to worry about being discriminated against like actual BLACK women. Loni was the only one that kept it REAL!
non-black ppl always wanna make excuses for them wearing and portraying as black. blackface is not just makeup or being a drag queen. it's a deeper issue so let's not act like it's simply playing dress up.
in a sense, if she is just living her life then why is there a problem,if she like her skin darker then why do we care,if we really are persistent ab our race why are attacking people about their skin color its literally something they cant change.but if she is 'blackfishing' then obviously its a problem.
In the U.S or all over the world ? In the Philippines street performers paint their faces and bodies black when dancing ethnic dances of local tribes (of African origin) in Festivals. They do it to celebrate them.
I understand why loni is angry .... many many years ago white people will punish a black woman if she wants to dress like them especially in Europe & US ... now because black beauty is trendy every one wants to be black .. thank God I black since day one 😍😍
@@marithamenace1880 because she is literally being fraudulent in order to get oppertunities she does not deserve. She obviously realised she was an average looking whits girl but those features on dark skin is uplifted in the black community. The tanning is one thing but on top of that curli g your hair to look mixed??? Come on. She obviously does it to make money because it makes more than being white would. She encourages people to think she is black and takes oppertunities that someone else could have had. She didnt say anything when people would post her and call her a beautiful black/ mixed girl and she didnt say anything when she got given oppertunities on the premise that she was mixed. She didnt say actually im white. Hey its our fault too because white people are catching onto colourism and using it to their advantage. Thats not tanning thats actually brown skin she now has. Swedish people are known for being pale as hell, like the whitest
Question out of curiosity..... black woman can lighten up and wear straight hair and it's ok.. but white woman can't wear curly hair and darken their skin ???
I absolutely ADORE that quote!! It sums the whole thing up very succinctly. They want the best of what we are, but while they’re stealing it, they give no RESPECT ✊🏽 to black ppl, no support to our struggle. Read the twitter posts of some of these girls. They say the most VILE things about black women, then say they’re gonna get them a black man! And they do. All the while, tricking these simple black men into thinking they’re biracial. 🤦🏽♀️. Some of these brothas don’t even care that they are gentrifying our identity. They look good, that’s all that matters. Meanwhile, real black women are being rejected for being too black or not pretty enough, etc. I’m disgusted.
After looking at this girls page she is definitely guilty. She looks dark in all her pictures is she gonna say she's been on vacation every single time?
This is exactly why Tamar used to give Jeanine the side eye. She has warped views when it comes to Black culture and racism. She has a stereotype of Black men being thugs because that is who she dated and she consistently makes excuses for racism because she just doesn't get it. There is a lot of racism towards Black ppl from Asians and as Maya Angelou said , "Racism is insidious" it shapes how you think, so even when you try not to be racist, growing up in an environment that perpetuates racist ideas will impact you. I think this is what has happened to Jeanine. What she is doing is the equivalent of Mansplaining but with race. She needs to hush and listen to the Black women educating her at the table.
@@Dark8Empress I've said this! (Minus the Tamar part) and people didn't *want* to get it. Why is it sooooo difficult to believe that some of her mother's thinking is in her brain and logic? Who knows how her father, brothers and rest of her family think. Jeannie may be different but at various moments you realise, if you're willing to be honest, that she's not *that* different.
Because Jeannie profits from ACTING racially ambiguous. She likes to “act black” and by that I mean what people stereotypically think black people act like.
Guys.....shes purpsfullu looking at it from a different perspective. I do that all the time but my beliefs on something always stay the same. For example, I looked at voting for Trump from a different perspective and understood why people voted for him, BUT I will never support or be okay w Trump as our president. Got it? That's what Jeannie does
Be Honest I mean...Indian women valunterly shave their head to give it away to their gods. European traders just make sure that hair and potential money don't go to waste so the hair is transformed and sold as wigs, weave, etc. As for white Brazilian women... I don't think we can say for sure that they all have the hair that most ppl buy. Not everyone wants straight hair and of they did they wouldn't get it from white ppl. Hate to break it to ya but hair texture isn't exclusive to one race (except afro texture)
@Be Honest first off, many jobs/schools do not accept our natural hair. I actually do wear my hair natural. Also many people get perms to make their hair curly too. The point is that she's changing her skin color!!!! I've never had a master, so stop being an ignorant bigot!
@@kaylalouis2545 that's another segment that needs its own video. They're ridiculous too! They hate themselves so much, they'll poison themselves to look light skinned/white. The reason I commented, I don't like when people try to make excuses for people exploiting people.
Tracey Pugh Omg educate yourself 😂😂 I’m Icelandic and even I can tan like that ☀️ and I know that a lot of Nordic people tan really well, whilst other simply don’t 🤷🏽♂️ (Live in Norway✌🏽)
And what it feels like? Come on, let's not act like only black ppl can understand a black person's anger. And anyway I don't see why it's soo bad like sure, it is weird and she's lying but it's not like she's targeting black ppl it's kind of a compliment in some weird way..
@Vonte Stevenson I think it's easy : imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, her intention was not to insult black ppl but to become one ( yes I do find it weird and don't agree with it) if she hated black people or wanted to insult them she wouldn't be posing as one
dreamergirlbaby if that’s the case then you can never have an opinion about immigration if your not an immigrant and can’t have an opinion on woman rights if your a man. And also about “telling us how to feel” no ones telling you how to feel. They are simply stating their own opinions. You control how you feel.
If she was pretending to be a Vietnamese woman and was white, Jeannie would not have pose the question about it being apart of the Beauty industry. You do not cross the race line when it has literally been one of the biggest downfalls of our society. Black features on black women makes us ugly and unprofessional but on white women it makes them beautiful. That’s a huge part of where the problem is with this.
Zaida Cintron don’t know if you’re living under a rock but white girls have been exposed as pretending to be asian to and messing with the shape of their eyes to look asian it was ridiculous
If I was Lonnie I would not of been able to keep my composure . I’m not even a black woman and this enraged me because of how clueless the other women are acting .
The real should’ve mentioned Asian fishing. They’re so out the loop. Twitter called that out as well. White women posing as Asian women. Even editing their eyes. I wonder what Jeanie view would’ve been if she saw that.
People change the way the look about themselves to what they think is beautiful or what they admire. If you have straight hair you want it curly, if you have brown hair you want it blonde, if your pale you want tan skin. Everyone wants at least one thing different and if not then at least just to change it up. Also its been the other way around for so long with asian women wanting to get "whiter" features by making their eyes bigger and other face modifications. Everyone is uniquely different and its sad when we cant just appreciate our natural beauty
It’s all the same. Portraying something that you’re clearly now. When it comes down to appropriating a race. Same thing. The issue is you all excuse when it’s done to block people.
I guess Jeannie doesn't get it. This isn't a beauty thing. Besides, we ALL know that Patrickstarrr is a man up front. No one had to ask him. He wasn't trying to hide his gender. IDK what is being taught in Sweden when it comes to race and ethnicity. To most of the world it seems to be a fairly white-washed country.
Nah I think she's just shook how picture 1 turned into picture 2. I'm shook too, I literally paused the video and stared at the picture for 10 mins and I still thinks it's not the same person. She doesn't get how she got that dark naturally and I wanna say makeup but it looks like her entire body.
Nah I think those are your own assumptions being played into it, I think she was just genuinely confused at the underlining reason as to WHY someone who tans and curls their hair- is wrong. When loni explained its that’s why towards the end she got it.
I am a black girl from Sweden and I can tell you right know that a tan would last a maximum of 2-3 weeks after a vacation. She still looks like that and aint to way she could still look like that and say she got that skin colour from the sun. The sun in Sweden goes a way in October and comes back in March. Meaning the sun is only up for a couple hours. Go educate yourself on blackface and the history of black people around the world and maybe then you could understand why this is wrong and racist. SHE IS WHITE BTW.
Even if the tan is fake, so what??? Tanning is a beauty trend that white girls having been doing since forever and they ain't gonna stop juat cuz your little feelings are hurt and you screem RACISM lol.
@@Samuel115s no they are saying it's wrong how she is claiming black beauty like tamera said she was on social media and people were like celebrating black beauty and they were celebrating her too and she isn't black but she isn't tryna correct it that's what's wrong , and tbh that's more just getting a tan she goes in and tries to tan really really dark and you should love your own skin, I mean everyone do you but you should love your own skin
Stop comparing black women straightening their hair to what this woman is doing!!! She is deliberately changing her look to identify as a black girl and monetize it! Point blank period.
Mari Addis I guess people can’t get tans now and curl there hair it’s just a skin color get over it why do everyone wanna make it a black or white thing
Jeanie...no girl. Just no. Patrick shows himself as him. He uses a body/face as a canvas to illustrate art. He breaks down beauty from the normal male/female classification. He in points highlights beauty. The young lady is portraying herself as a black woman in which she is stealing a race. She doesn't highlight her white features. That's why all the other women shut her down REAL quick. See what I did there.
No. While she can wipe off the oppression off her face and continue to live a normal life. There will always be a difference. Patrick can also wipe off the feminine attributes but cannot live a "privileged" life right after. Like I said. He highlights while she steals.
@@amynicole_3331 People who dress hyperfeminine/hypermasculine aren't trying to convince their audience that they're actually a different gender. Everyone knows Patrick Starr is a guy. No one realized this girl was white because she was purposefully disguising herself as a black person and earning a living off of it too.
+Amy Nicole the difference is it is not a secret that Patrick Starr is a man. He shows you himself in true form that he is male. He has a video of him shaving his beard for crying out loud. This girl was hiding the fact that she is white because she wanted to profit off of looking ethnic/exotic. We would have never seen the picture on the left if it was not revealed. Then the excuses came. That's the difference.
Bonolo Marumo THANK YOU ! That’s what I’m saying. If she wants a slight tan she would go 1 maybe 2 shades darker not 10-20shades darker. If she was as she claims “making money off of her style “ then she would wear her natural skin color. She’s doing this so she can appeal to be a black women and make money off of a lie
Most beauty gurus has or still use foundation that don't match them cause it's too dark, also the other way around with too light...so what are those called? its makeup for Christ sake
@@poojakumaraguru8641 It means everyone wants to imulate or appropriate some things about Black culture, but by ' they dont want our blues' she means that nobody wants to experience the injustices of living in this skin. For example, she tans or bronzes herself and texturizes her hair to garner attention on Instagram, but does she walk around in life letting people assume she's a woman of color? NOPE! She quickly clarified that she is indeed White. It's the flavor, the swag, and style she's appropriating.
I disagree with Jeannie. Makeup is meant to enhance one's beauty and features, no alter your appearance to the point where you look like a completely different person. This is blackfishing
Fabi O the same thing she’s saying about Patrick star can be used against her, she ain’t coming on camera barefaced as her natural authentic self. However these insta models are getting recognition over looking racially ambiguous with features that is commonly associated with black people and that’s what she fails to understand.
When u go a little darker on the foundation, we get it u want to look tan. But when u change the texture of your hair too, to resemble that of a black woman, it is BLACK FISHING
what sick person would try to justify what that lady was doing? all of them are so busy trying to be accepted in society (except for loni) they are trying to dance around the issue and are missing the point. what that lady is doing is wrong. period.
Mario Portillo Gomez why do you think that they feel the need to do this? Maybe because they live in a society where there are Eurocentric beauty standards. They are trying to assimilate. This is also sad and disappointing. But that girl is clearly appropriating. There’s a big difference. The sooner we learn this the better.
I don’t understand why black people always try and justify themselves by saying that everybody else wants to be them. Truth is, we don’t want to be you. Not be be mean but we don’t. It’s like fat girls trying to say they have curves and skinny girls look like boys. Point it, you don’t have to justify your own beauty by trying to put other people under you.
Jessica Martin White ppl do not have the world telling them that they aren’t beautiful. Black/Brown girls experience this. It doesn’t matter who feels a way. Don’t call something we have ugly and then imitate it. It just doesn’t make sense. Other races doesn’t know what it feels like to be us in this world. Really wish people could experience it for one day.
I was upset as well..but girl Loni held it down for us sistas this episode! She definitely got the point across that this is indeed "blackfishing" and that it is wrong to do. Period.
Right! With the exception of Loni I don’t understand why they were all acting so confused by this. This woman in my opinion is no better than Rachel dolezal. I would even go so far as to say it’s worse because even though she was deceptive Rachel actually assisted the black community with her activism- as delusional as she was . This IG model is making herself look at least racially ambiguous as this is what the IG “models” of the day look like now. Curly hair, caramel complexion, big lips. She’s profiting off of a “look”/ that isn’t primarily associated with her ethnicity. And if what ppl in the comments are saying regarding her being featured on black pages and not correcting them is true then she is being deceptive as well.
Nora Rosario Most, if not all of the ppl you named have been dragged tirelessly for that. Particularly Michael and Kim. Ppl have been calling Chyna out and renamed her “White Chyna”. Not sure why you would say ppl don’t speak abt skin bleaching. Yes it goes both ways
She's not comparing it to drag..... God!!! She was talking about transformation and then mentioned drag as these men use makeup to turn themselves into something completely different
No but I personally have always felt that it was an over dramatization of women which doesn't appropriately represent women. So, in my opinion it's similar. I don't have an issue with it, and thus, I don't have an issue with her. If people can have an operation because they are no longer comfortable being their gender, this kind of stuff will happen as well. Because they're are A LOT of people who hate their skin color. And it is possible to not like your skin and still be on with your race.
why? She never said she was black and patrick never said he was a woman. Yet they both play around and dress up as if they are for coin't....sounds the same to me.
Keyy Finesse she didn’t you twat. Her point was makeup allows transformation. Beauty industry is about influence and creativity.you have to be able to hear all sides of the spectrum before you decide what makes sense to you. Clearly the girl is blackfishing but I also see Jeanie’s points as well.
I am black and natural brown skin with curly wavy hair nobody compliments me or my skin they say I am to dark and my hair isn’t “black enough” but when they do it is praised and desirable and They make money off of it
The same could be said about women. Gender is not a costume its who I am yet you have men dressing like women as if they can understand women struggles but no one says anything about that.
Patrick Star wearing makeup is literally no comparison to her wearing black face. Jeannie tried it. Loni kept it all the way real no sugarcoats. “Everybody wants our rhythm but not our blues!”
Why not, intelligently explain the difference? There are plenty of women who do not like or approve of many wearing makeup etc to look like women. So, what. is. the. difference?
@@Twenty5KDiamondI personally do not see the difference than pretending to be a woman/ presenting as a woman or pretending/presenting as another race. Because even if she put a disclaimer across all her pics people are seeing her as a black woman. You can't see her as anything else. And if she only addresses it when asked...
@@rhoda4253 he is not pretending to be a woman he knows he is a man and identifies as a man he just likes to feel beautiful and makeup isnt only for women its really not its for anyone who wants to be pretty! he is not transgender someone who changed his gender he is just a man with makeup dont compare blackfish someone being racist and mimicking black peoples skin color to a man wearing makeup
@@StevieMichelle Ariana is of Italian decent and tans. It's kinda like what Adrienne was saying. She is lighter in the winter and super dark in the summer.
My friends dad is scandinavian and her mom latina, she identifies as norvegian but can get so tanned she looks like a full blood dark person - winter comes in she gets so pale almost white Not defending that girl just saying maybe she has that luck a lot of pale girls would wanna have, get a nice tan in summer and for the hair - I don't know but me personally I also like wearing my hair curlier when I am tanned.. it's a different look. But the subject seems to be sooo touchy I actually am afraid to say more 😳🥺
As a black woman, I would’ve probably walked off set. I would not have been equipped to deal with Adrienne and Jeannies ignorance in a daytime tv setting. Kudos to Loni and Tamera.
You are right! Jeanie have a point, beauty is a form of expression. The girl probably want to express the beauty of race in other cultures not just African Americans :). Patrick Star is an influencer in beauty industry, he is most beautiful man in the whole entire world. Jeanie have a valid point of saying beauty is the imagination playground for people who want to express themselves.
The Real is lucky to have a brain like Loni Love. The other three stubbornly try to justify homegirl with “she might be biracial. She might genuinely tan that dark…” but like Loni I’m not buying that BS. That girl knows what she’s doing. She wants attention through a costume. She can easily take it off while actual BIPOC cannot
I don't get why it's such a drama if a white girl likes the way she looks when she is tanned but if a Black girl wears wigs, straights her hair or dyes her hair to look blonde no one cares or even say that she looks beautiful and confident. Let her look however she likes and get a life. Loni is such an hypocrite pointig out that that girl's hair ain't natural while she is wearing a fucking wig EVERYDAY
valentina charlo wigs, straight hair, blond hair, dyes, do not belong to only one race. White people don’t have ownership over that. So it’s not the same thing.
Aren't they supposed to be giving their real opinions? it always seems like they're skirting around issues by acting very dense...its annoying to watch them at times.
Don't nobody wanna see 4 people talking about the same opinion over and over again for 10 minutes. The whole point of a debate is to represent as many notable opinions and include the perspectives that may not have representation at the table.
Exactly! This is why I stopped watching. They never seem to say how they truly feel; keeping it light and PC. I'm not saying be negative or rude but it's okay to have your opinion and justify it or point out when something just doesn't sit well with you.
My mam used to go a dark dark brown when she'd tan. Like shes white-white but her skin would go an almost dark "indian" tone. And she has dark brown/black hair but she had never intentionally tried to mimic another race. So it comes down to her intent behind the look. The curly hair with the dark skin makes me question it.
They either need more black women on this show, or the other ladies need to broaden their perspective on race issues. Loni is the only one who seems to understand this 🤦🏾♀️
She understands it more because she’s aware of the things that happens in the black community (obviously.) conversations like this are typical because we can’t expect everyone to understand everyone’s racial problems; we have too many closed minded people on this earth to make that mentally possible. It’s not that they need more women of a certain race on this show, they need more women who are open to more than one perspective. If you noticed, nobody wanted to listen to no one. It’s like me going up to a Afro-Latina and telling her she’s black and that’s it but she was born in Puerto Rico.
Am I the only one confused on what was hard to understand? This was so OBVIOUS yet only one person (Loni) at the table fully understood. There really wasn’t anything to debate...Yikes🤦🏾♀️
Its cause they were too scared to say what they really wanted to say because they would offend Loni and the rest of the crowd. Fact is black women are "white fishing" every day by wearing straight blond wigs and contouring their noses to look like a completely different shape. Even the so called "natural" black weave wearers are still exotical or mixed fishing cause you hardly ever see them with a 4c kinky curly wig, its usually that loose tracie ellis ross weave.
I mean... I live in the Middle East and I've seen whiter girls turn this dark by tanning alone. But no one is trying to change their race... here it's normal to be darker during the summer and pale in the winter. But she's taken it wayyy too far it's like she's trying to be a different person. 🤔
Actually as a makeup artist colorism is real...We have dark skin black women that come in and want to he light to the point they look ashy and same for other cultures...
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Dammmmmnnnnnnnn Loni: "Everybody wants our rhythm, but they don't want our blues". PREACH!!
Love that quote
(for) Churrrrch !
Camara Rhodes it does make sense. Just stop and think
Gillian
That’s it! Lol
Camara Rhodes It makes perfect sense
"Everybody wants our rhythms but you don't want our blues".Loni ain't having it!
Oh, please Loni is always complaining of nothing. I am totally tired of her bs.
@Scorpio Bradley, excuse me?
Rosemary Ngugi babyyyyyy!!
@Scorpio Bradley yes thank you. we have to educated those who don't know.
Yessss! She kept that in order!
Jeannie COMPLETELY missed the point! Loni and Tamara keeping it real
Both Adrienne and Jeannie missed the point. It's hard to relate when you're not black
Yep
there was no point other than to say your opinion and that's exactly what jeannie was doing
Actually if you wasn't afraid of the truth. You would know Jeannie was keeping it all the way real and honest.
I think they were just following their script
Jeannie missed the point! Adrienne was asking stupid questions... Tamera tried to be nice but Loni said exactly what I was thinking!!
Eddy nope.... Jeannie knew exactly what she was doing
@@patrickmwakitwange9623 She sure did. I guarantee you if the "model" had make-up that made her look asian to sell beauty products to the asian community, Jeannie would have a problem with it.
I agree with you 100%. Loni and Tamera agreed. The only difference is their delivery.
Adrienne didn't ask stupid questions though because if she's not mixed and if she's "supposedly not" doing a tan then how tf you look like that? 🤔
“Everyone wants our rhythm but you don’t want our blues” well said Loni 👏🏾
AMEN AMEN AMEN
cutema101 what does she mean by that
Because she the"ideal" of what black men want.
That statement sums it all up perfectly.
brownsoie you missed the entire point
When Loni said “everyone wants our rhythm but nobody wants our blues” I screamed AMENNN🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Well of course, who the hell wants struggle, we all only want the good things 😂
Your struggles are not emma hallberge's problem, she is just trying to look good and make money.
Samuel115s
the point
your head
Literally had to go back to hear it again...words of wisdom 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Oh god, the black race isn't the only race that has suffered in the history of humankind. Everyone will take something from another race, it has happened in the past and will continue because it's the way of expanding and evolving.
Princess Erykka I screamed PERIOD
PATRICK STARR IS NOT THE SAME AS BLACKFACE.
Greasy B. She didn’t say that
Exactly gender is fluid race is not 🙄
PREACH
Jeanni Mai made the comparison several times and included pictures. Jeanni even pointed at the picture of Patrick Starr to prove her point. Gender identity and race are two different subjects
It was an example of people being on social media looking like something they're not naturally. Nobody is saying it was like race.
Why are they trying to play this down?? I respect Loni for holding it down. This is modern day black face PERIOD ‼️
who is that lady IG handle any where curious
Aphiriyie lord search up Emma hallberg and she comes up, I’ll try find a link
So, when black women wear blond wigs, what's that called? JS 🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@melindac.flores3991 black people can naturally grow blond hair you dummy
@@melindac.flores3991 are you stupid? Or just dumb?
"Everybody wants our Rhythm, but doesn't want our Blues" you better preach Loni
Exactly someone needs to give her a Mic
Silly Me i had to click my fingers because that was pureeee 🔥🔥🔥
Girl I must have caught the holy ghost when said that
Exactly
@Dr Boom first people to have strait hair and blue eyes were black.
Loni: "Everybody wants our rhythm but they dont want our blues."
Well said Loni! ✊
✊🏾
It's already a saying
YEAH THEY KNEW THE DIRECTION THIS SHOW WAS GOING INTO SO THEY GOT RID OF TAY TAY. THEY KNEW SHE WOULDN'T BE FAKE ON TOPICS LIKE THIS AND ADRIENNE'S TUNE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE UNDERSTANDING I BET. SHE FOLLOWED TAY LIKE A PUPPY. OR WAS IT TO STUDY A BLK WOMAN LIKE THE KARDASHIANS DO U KNOW SHE LOVES THEM
@Unknown Unknown some people just want tan skin. Doesn't have anything to do with race. When black people make their skin lighter nobody is saying they are trying to be white. Black people don't own dark skin.
@@shamarab4632 And what exactly does that have to do with the price of milk in China again??? #ijs
loni and tamera are the only ones keeping it real
to me tamera was just in the wrong not know what was going on cuz the girl said she was white but tamera was like oh is she black or both but said she was white not black only loni was right in this one
Actually Jeannie is to.
Sarah Belc that wasn’t tamera
@@sexxiede yes it was
Amen 🙏🏽
Adrienne is acting quite stupid,Jeannie is confusing makeup with blackface and Loni and Tamera are speaking the TRUTH!!!!!
Well they are more experienced because they are African Americans so I totally agree.
Georgi loves 💜 makeup is the same as “blackface” as she’s just wearing dark foundation after tanning. Ur hella dramatic. And Patrick does more than wear makeup, he has on fake looking chest, dresses, heels etc
Jeannie irritated the crap out of me. Hopefully she has a different mindset and view since she’s about to have a biracial child.
@@carriel9954 fr she tries to act black too and she has appropriated our culture too
@Georgi loves I seriously doubt that Adrienne is acting I mean since she grew up on Disney Channel I believe that she's just as stupid as any other of the former Disney Channel kid stars.
I’m white and I love black women. I think black women are beautiful, but I can appreciate their beauty w/o trying to copy it. And her making money off of it is wrong when there are a lot of beautiful black models who are looking for opportunities to represent their race and culture.
Thank you!
They can all do it. This white girl black fishing doesn’t take away from the real black women. What do people mean by taking away opportunities from real black women. Not like we have a limited number of how many people can be a model, be famous ????
Chonlada W. bc Emma collabed with a makeup company to make a highlighter for darker skin tones when it isn’t even for her natural skin. that opportunity could’ve been given to a real brown girl but instead it was given to a white woman posing as black
Mandi Gard thank you ma’am!!!!! 🙌🏾💯💕
We love you
Clearly Loni is super irritated in this segment!!!!!!! I don’t blame her.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Tell em again sister. She is telling the truth.
PureAloha78 me too.
Loni is not having it 😂😂get um girl!
@Mike Ken ??
Dr Boom they all wear fake hair for the show , end of the day Loni shows her natural hair sometimes on Instagram and posts pictures . She’s not trying to look another race she still looks black but try again
“Everybody wants our rhythm, but they don’t want our blues.”
The MOST iconic quote ever, and SO SO true 💯!
With questions like "would I be considered 'blackfishing'?" (because of my bronzed summer complexion), I can't help but feel like Adrienne often "plays dumb".
An unpreventable, seasonal tan is very different than intentionally darkening your skin and texturizing your hair.
Yeah she knew that! The bitch just wanted to play stupid.
Exactly!!!
She’s following a script
Chastity B. She’s following a script.
I don’t think she is playing dumb, I agree with A and Jeanie. Where do we distinguish the difference. I was always called “white wash” because of my hair color and my style, so to me this is so dumb.
I'm pretty sure Patrick Starr can agree that him wearing dresses isn't comparable to blackfishing.
Well ain't he born a man though? And dresses in female clothes? Can he be happy with being a male and dressing like how a male is supposed to be dressed? I dont care how Patrick star dresses, just like people need to stop worrying about this girl for real for real. if the bitch face tunes her pics let her face tune her pics
Gingeeblush “female clothes” and “male clothes” are extremely subjective. Make up being only for women is completely subjective. It was invented and worn by men first. As were heels, btw. And having a garment of a certain pattern or flow on the body shouldn’t bar men from wearing it. I bet you have no problem seeing women wear pants or wear suits which were once seen as inherently male. I’m sure seeing a woman with short hair doesn’t make her a man. Just stop, your comparison falls short.
Or make up too! Wtf who says Make up is just for women and it was so ignorant and stupid for her to say that he is not being who is he is because he is wearing make up when that can easily be applied to us women too with that Logic
You obviously missed the mark
Mag_ster how is it not?
"Everybody wants our rhythm and not our blues".
FURIOUS BLACK so true.
Realest statement ever! 🙌🏼👏🏻
🤯 WORD 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏾😩
Say it again!!!!!!!!
how'd you spell "our" wrong and right in the same sentence
everytime loni talks, everyone applauds. i love it
Love the bappo reference in your username.
Yes, coz she rocks
Cause she’s speaking the truth
She's woke thats why👏
That’s because she has common sense
Loni is the only one making valid points right now!!!! This was so frustrating to listen to
Bruh
Oh please
She screams like she is on the hill
Bitter woman
@@ElenaSV5555 Your comment makes zero sense. Come back when you can write a proper sentence.
Tamera actually was siding with loni. Idk if you watched part 1. Tamera made several good points. Jeannie is the one being ignorant. And Adrienne acting slow.
So genuine question - So if it bothers u a white girl being so tan / dark , then how to u feel about black women on a daily basis wearing Blonde, sleek , straight wigs all the time? Is that not white fishing?
They want black women's features, but still want to keep their privilege. At the end of the day she can wipe that off before a job interview or even to go out in the public and not have to worry about being discriminated against like actual BLACK women. Loni was the only one that kept it REAL!
Right!
Laila that was a great comment.
Yessss Loni I felt that "Blues" Line 👏👏👏
Everybody wants to black until its time to be BLACK 💯
Ashley A.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Felt that line in my soul 😩
Exactly & prime example Tekashi 69 or 69 whatever he goes by lol
Ashley A. Me too, I loved when she said that 🙌🏾
Jeanie is trying to sugar coat or play nice what dont u understand?
This is black fishing!!
Maybe because she's one of those girls
Damn she’s darker than me with two black parent. Does it make sense? NO
non-black ppl always wanna make excuses for them wearing and portraying as black. blackface is not just makeup or being a drag queen. it's a deeper issue so let's not act like it's simply playing dress up.
in a sense, if she is just living her life then why is there a problem,if she like her skin darker then why do we care,if we really are persistent ab our race why are attacking people about their skin color its literally something they cant change.but if she is 'blackfishing' then obviously its a problem.
In the U.S or all over the world ? In the Philippines street performers paint their faces and bodies black when dancing ethnic dances of local tribes (of African origin) in Festivals. They do it to celebrate them.
I understand why loni is angry .... many many years ago white people will punish a black woman if she wants to dress like them especially in Europe & US ... now because black beauty is trendy every one wants to be black .. thank God I black since day one 😍😍
@@marithamenace1880 because she is literally being fraudulent in order to get oppertunities she does not deserve. She obviously realised she was an average looking whits girl but those features on dark skin is uplifted in the black community. The tanning is one thing but on top of that curli g your hair to look mixed??? Come on. She obviously does it to make money because it makes more than being white would. She encourages people to think she is black and takes oppertunities that someone else could have had. She didnt say anything when people would post her and call her a beautiful black/ mixed girl and she didnt say anything when she got given oppertunities on the premise that she was mixed. She didnt say actually im white. Hey its our fault too because white people are catching onto colourism and using it to their advantage. Thats not tanning thats actually brown skin she now has. Swedish people are known for being pale as hell, like the whitest
Question out of curiosity..... black woman can lighten up and wear straight hair and it's ok.. but white woman can't wear curly hair and darken their skin ???
Everyone wants our 'rhythm' but not our 'blues!'
nobody wanna b black
This.
Damn. That hit.
lina gesile everybody wanna be black what are you talking about it's obvious
I absolutely ADORE that quote!! It sums the whole thing up very succinctly. They want the best of what we are, but while they’re stealing it, they give no RESPECT ✊🏽 to black ppl, no support to our struggle. Read the twitter posts of some of these girls. They say the most VILE things about black women, then say they’re gonna get them a black man! And they do. All the while, tricking these simple black men into thinking they’re biracial. 🤦🏽♀️. Some of these brothas don’t even care that they are gentrifying our identity. They look good, that’s all that matters. Meanwhile, real black women are being rejected for being too black or not pretty enough, etc. I’m disgusted.
Jeannie “points” dismisses the black experience and that is not okay.
I’m getting tired of her. She does all of the time when comes to black issues. She needs to stfu 😒
And she’s married to a black man so I’m really disturbed
After looking at this girls page she is definitely guilty. She looks dark in all her pictures is she gonna say she's been on vacation every single time?
lisa agbegir apparently she goes on vacation a lot 🙄. She is pretty though
She straight up has videos showing herself putting in dark make up.
Jeannie is getting a strong side eye from me. This woman is straight profiting from looking racially ambiguous.
This is exactly why Tamar used to give Jeanine the side eye. She has warped views when it comes to Black culture and racism. She has a stereotype of Black men being thugs because that is who she dated and she consistently makes excuses for racism because she just doesn't get it. There is a lot of racism towards Black ppl from Asians and as Maya Angelou said , "Racism is insidious" it shapes how you think, so even when you try not to be racist, growing up in an environment that perpetuates racist ideas will impact you. I think this is what has happened to Jeanine. What she is doing is the equivalent of Mansplaining but with race. She needs to hush and listen to the Black women educating her at the table.
@@Dark8Empress you said that so well I'm shook
@@Dark8Empress I've said this! (Minus the Tamar part) and people didn't *want* to get it. Why is it sooooo difficult to believe that some of her mother's thinking is in her brain and logic? Who knows how her father, brothers and rest of her family think. Jeannie may be different but at various moments you realise, if you're willing to be honest, that she's not *that* different.
Because Jeannie profits from ACTING racially ambiguous. She likes to “act black” and by that I mean what people stereotypically think black people act like.
Guys.....shes purpsfullu looking at it from a different perspective. I do that all the time but my beliefs on something always stay the same. For example, I looked at voting for Trump from a different perspective and understood why people voted for him, BUT I will never support or be okay w Trump as our president. Got it? That's what Jeannie does
Jenni wtf?!!! Black women are not a 'costume' for others to try on! Stop accepting cultural appropriation
Jamie... I believe they were trying to avoid that elephant in the room ( notice nobody said that word)
Be Honest I mean...Indian women valunterly shave their head to give it away to their gods. European traders just make sure that hair and potential money don't go to waste so the hair is transformed and sold as wigs, weave, etc.
As for white Brazilian women... I don't think we can say for sure that they all have the hair that most ppl buy. Not everyone wants straight hair and of they did they wouldn't get it from white ppl. Hate to break it to ya but hair texture isn't exclusive to one race (except afro texture)
@Be Honest first off, many jobs/schools do not accept our natural hair. I actually do wear my hair natural. Also many people get perms to make their hair curly too. The point is that she's changing her skin color!!!!
I've never had a master, so stop being an ignorant bigot!
Why when black people bleaching their skin...white people never say anything..only black American women think is a big deal......nohardfeeling.
@@kaylalouis2545 that's another segment that needs its own video. They're ridiculous too! They hate themselves so much, they'll poison themselves to look light skinned/white. The reason I commented, I don't like when people try to make excuses for people exploiting people.
Jeannie and Adrienne are going to make me not like them real quick 😭
Why is Jeanie even speaking , she will never be able to relate to black women 🤷🏽♀️
💯💯💯💯
Deep down.... I really think that she thinks she is superior
Period....
They're on a talk show, tho.
@N those are totally two different things ...
“Every one wants a our rhythm but don’t want our blues”. True words spoke by Loni
No Jeannie. Its black fishing. PERIOD
Your blind
@@angelina.castillo.2072 how tho 🤔
Oh my gosh Jeanie fuckin hell
Tracey Pugh Omg educate yourself 😂😂 I’m Icelandic and even I can tan like that ☀️ and I know that a lot of Nordic people tan really well, whilst other simply don’t 🤷🏽♂️ (Live in Norway✌🏽)
@@MrMrgunnar but does you hair curl like that when you tan?
I wanna just shake Genie sometimes!!!! She needs to stop if she was portraying Asian she might feel different about it
Jeannie needs to be quiet, she has no clue what it feels like or what she is saying 🤦🏽♀️
Shut up..u jus mad shes better looking than u
Michelle Moulton 😂😂😂😂😂😂you’re actually a joke, sorry that you can’t see it😂
@@memshinlamed9079 you sound dum as hell
And what it feels like? Come on, let's not act like only black ppl can understand a black person's anger. And anyway I don't see why it's soo bad like sure, it is weird and she's lying but it's not like she's targeting black ppl it's kind of a compliment in some weird way..
@Vonte Stevenson I think it's easy : imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, her intention was not to insult black ppl but to become one ( yes I do find it weird and don't agree with it) if she hated black people or wanted to insult them she wouldn't be posing as one
I think people need to stop telling black people how to feel about their pain
And people need to stop telling women what they can and can't do to their bodies.
Period
Frrr👏🏽👏🏽
For real ! If you are a non-Black person who tf are you to tell me how to feel about my blackness or black issues.
dreamergirlbaby if that’s the case then you can never have an opinion about immigration if your not an immigrant and can’t have an opinion on woman rights if your a man. And also about “telling us how to feel” no ones telling you how to feel. They are simply stating their own opinions. You control how you feel.
If she was pretending to be a Vietnamese woman and was white, Jeannie would not have pose the question about it being apart of the Beauty industry. You do not cross the race line when it has literally been one of the biggest downfalls of our society. Black features on black women makes us ugly and unprofessional but on white women it makes them beautiful. That’s a huge part of where the problem is with this.
Alanna Nance say it louder for the ppl in the back 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
That's because nobody is trying to be vietnamese.... so she dont get it....
Factsss
Zaida Cintron don’t know if you’re living under a rock but white girls have been exposed as pretending to be asian to and messing with the shape of their eyes to look asian it was ridiculous
Zaida Cintron There's a lot of white girls trying to be East Asian. Weebs.
If I was Lonnie I would not of been able to keep my composure . I’m not even a black woman and this enraged me because of how clueless the other women are acting .
And the way Jeanie is trying to compare it to drag, is so fucking dense .
This is TOTALLY different than playing with make-up. She is changing her entire body color, her hair, and the way she presents herself.
The real should’ve mentioned Asian fishing. They’re so out the loop. Twitter called that out as well. White women posing as Asian women. Even editing their eyes. I wonder what Jeanie view would’ve been if she saw that.
That's a little different. I'm not saying this is right but anyone can tan but changing your eyes is different.
People change the way the look about themselves to what they think is beautiful or what they admire. If you have straight hair you want it curly, if you have brown hair you want it blonde, if your pale you want tan skin. Everyone wants at least one thing different and if not then at least just to change it up. Also its been the other way around for so long with asian women wanting to get "whiter" features by making their eyes bigger and other face modifications. Everyone is uniquely different and its sad when we cant just appreciate our natural beauty
It’s all the same. Portraying something that you’re clearly now. When it comes down to appropriating a race. Same thing. The issue is you all excuse when it’s done to block people.
*black
Lauren bruno look st the history as to why they viewed that. It’s not that simple
Why does she keep comparing this with patickstarr it's not the same....
Reis World exactly...dressing up is not the same as this young lady and others pretending to be a different race.
Lmaooo so true like ppl dont confuse him with a woman we know this is not a woman
I guess Jeannie doesn't get it. This isn't a beauty thing. Besides, we ALL know that Patrickstarrr is a man up front. No one had to ask him. He wasn't trying to hide his gender. IDK what is being taught in Sweden when it comes to race and ethnicity. To most of the world it seems to be a fairly white-washed country.
She trying to compare male & women to white & colored . But it ain’t it 😂😂😂
Reis World THANK YOU
It just seem like to me that Adrian thinks its so far fetch that a woman would want to portray a black women smh.
Nah I think she's just shook how picture 1 turned into picture 2. I'm shook too, I literally paused the video and stared at the picture for 10 mins and I still thinks it's not the same person. She doesn't get how she got that dark naturally and I wanna say makeup but it looks like her entire body.
Bcs Adrienne wishes she was a black woman 😂
Nah I think those are your own assumptions being played into it, I think she was just genuinely confused at the underlining reason as to WHY someone who tans and curls their hair- is wrong. When loni explained its that’s why towards the end she got it.
I feel like Jeannie missed the mark here and it was coming off A little ignorant
I am a black girl from Sweden and I can tell you right know that a tan would last a maximum of 2-3 weeks after a vacation. She still looks like that and aint to way she could still look like that and say she got that skin colour from the sun. The sun in Sweden goes a way in October and comes back in March. Meaning the sun is only up for a couple hours. Go educate yourself on blackface and the history of black people around the world and maybe then you could understand why this is wrong and racist. SHE IS WHITE BTW.
Yodit Yohannes lmfao the white dont wanna here the truth that you speaking
Even if the tan is fake, so what??? Tanning is a beauty trend that white girls having been doing since forever and they ain't gonna stop juat cuz your little feelings are hurt and you screem RACISM lol.
@@Samuel115s no they are saying it's wrong how she is claiming black beauty like tamera said she was on social media and people were like celebrating black beauty and they were celebrating her too and she isn't black but she isn't tryna correct it that's what's wrong , and tbh that's more just getting a tan she goes in and tries to tan really really dark and you should love your own skin, I mean everyone do you but you should love your own skin
Yodit Yohannes thank you babe
Tanning lotion
Stop comparing black women straightening their hair to what this woman is doing!!! She is deliberately changing her look to identify as a black girl and monetize it! Point blank period.
Mari Addis she never said she was black tho (: she clearly said she was white
Mari Addis yes said loud and clear girl!! Wow the comments section here... intense
@@giuliana7788 Read my comment again please.
Mari Addis exactly thank you!
Mari Addis I guess people can’t get tans now and curl there hair it’s just a skin color get over it why do everyone wanna make it a black or white thing
Finally LONI is not trying to polish up the facts. Jeannie missed the mark this time.
“They want our rhythm but they don’t want our blues” say it louder Loni 🙌🏽🙌🏽💯
Jeanie...no girl. Just no.
Patrick shows himself as him. He uses a body/face as a canvas to illustrate art. He breaks down beauty from the normal male/female classification. He in points highlights beauty.
The young lady is portraying herself as a black woman in which she is stealing a race. She doesn't highlight her white features. That's why all the other women shut her down REAL quick.
See what I did there.
Carlos Carrillo BUT WHATS THE DIFFERENCE
Gender and race are both identifiable factors of a persons appearance. To say that race is off limits while gender isn’t is a little closed minded.
No. While she can wipe off the oppression off her face and continue to live a normal life. There will always be a difference.
Patrick can also wipe off the feminine attributes but cannot live a "privileged" life right after. Like I said. He highlights while she steals.
@@amynicole_3331 People who dress hyperfeminine/hypermasculine aren't trying to convince their audience that they're actually a different gender. Everyone knows Patrick Starr is a guy. No one realized this girl was white because she was purposefully disguising herself as a black person and earning a living off of it too.
+Amy Nicole the difference is it is not a secret that Patrick Starr is a man. He shows you himself in true form that he is male. He has a video of him shaving his beard for crying out loud. This girl was hiding the fact that she is white because she wanted to profit off of looking ethnic/exotic. We would have never seen the picture on the left if it was not revealed. Then the excuses came. That's the difference.
You can't use foundation that's 20 shades darker then claim you like looking a bit tan like FOH
Bonolo Marumo THANK YOU ! That’s what I’m saying. If she wants a slight tan she would go 1 maybe 2 shades darker not 10-20shades darker. If she was as she claims “making money off of her style “ then she would wear her natural skin color. She’s doing this so she can appeal to be a black women and make money off of a lie
FACTSSS
EXACTLY!!!
Most beauty gurus has or still use foundation that don't match them cause it's too dark, also the other way around with too light...so what are those called? its makeup for Christ sake
@@Detvarjukuljue name a beauty guru that wears foundation that's 10 shades darker than their original skin tone. I'm waiting.
Don’t Compare P Starr To Her😂💯 Two Totally Different Things
Jenna needs to zip it!!! The young lady is blackfishing period!!!
F it's still Blackface which white people were making fun of Black people it's a derogatory gesture.
F they’re not the same thing idiot
Promise Omiponle it is... Dumb ASS!!
"Everybody wants our Rhythm but you don't want our Blues" !!!!!! YES LONI
elasia hey can you explain what that meant ? I am Indian and I don't understand what those words meant.
@@poojakumaraguru8641 It means everyone wants to imulate or appropriate some things about Black culture, but by ' they dont want our blues' she means that nobody wants to experience the injustices of living in this skin. For example, she tans or bronzes herself and texturizes her hair to garner attention on Instagram, but does she walk around in life letting people assume she's a woman of color? NOPE! She quickly clarified that she is indeed White. It's the flavor, the swag, and style she's appropriating.
elasia didn’t she say that!!!!!!!!! It’s true too!!! Everybody wants to mimic us.
@@poojakumaraguru8641 Love&LightLG explained it well. Sorry I didn't see your comment until now.
I disagree with Jeannie. Makeup is meant to enhance one's beauty and features, no alter your appearance to the point where you look like a completely different person. This is blackfishing
Fabi O so your against drag?
Drag is weird. Lol
Fabi O the same thing she’s saying about Patrick star can be used against her, she ain’t coming on camera barefaced as her natural authentic self. However these insta models are getting recognition over looking racially ambiguous with features that is commonly associated with black people and that’s what she fails to understand.
I agree with you she said inhance beauty features buh sis is white what features are you inhancing to look black
@@kayleenrodriguez6235 I was referring to the girl that is altering her appearance to look black. What she's doing is blackfishing imo.
Adrienne realizing her hand is “mad white” 💀💀😂
When u go a little darker on the foundation, we get it u want to look tan. But when u change the texture of your hair too, to resemble that of a black woman, it is BLACK FISHING
Lets have a moment to appreciate REAL BLACK & AFRICAN AMERICAN Women&Girls❤❤❤ I 100% agree with Loni and what she said 👏👏👏
True
🥳
Yes and let's appreciate beautiful white women like Emma.
Or just Black Women in general because of all us aren't African-American
@@charliehmmm9400 THANK YOU
She needs to show us her childhood photos thats all (Edit: Photos of Her being "tan")
Sasa Kay she looked like a white girl that had curly hair
She did, she had naturally curly hair
YoGirl Tia not black girl curly hair tho.
She can get her dna tested and it will show if your african or not and your ancestors
Sasa Kay LMFAO HEY MALISSA 💀😂
I cannot believe Jennie Mai would defend this girl and saying that we don’t know how tan she can get ??
what sick person would try to justify what that lady was doing? all of them are so busy trying to be accepted in society (except for loni) they are trying to dance around the issue and are missing the point. what that lady is doing is wrong. period.
Listen. It’s not hard to understand. Loni said it perfectly. They want our rhythm, but don’t want our blues. It isn’t right. Period!!!
well said
Couldn't have sd it better myself
Mario Portillo Gomez why do you think that they feel the need to do this? Maybe because they live in a society where there are Eurocentric beauty standards. They are trying to assimilate. This is also sad and disappointing. But that girl is clearly appropriating. There’s a big difference. The sooner we learn this the better.
I don’t understand why black people always try and justify themselves by saying that everybody else wants to be them. Truth is, we don’t want to be you. Not be be mean but we don’t. It’s like fat girls trying to say they have curves and skinny girls look like boys. Point it, you don’t have to justify your own beauty by trying to put other people under you.
Jessica Martin White ppl do not have the world telling them that they aren’t beautiful. Black/Brown girls experience this. It doesn’t matter who feels a way. Don’t call something we have ugly and then imitate it. It just doesn’t make sense. Other races doesn’t know what it feels like to be us in this world. Really wish people could experience it for one day.
I love that "everybody wants our Rythm and not our blues"
Couldn't have said it better myself.
“Would I be considered black fishing “
The three of them
*NO*
She could just be straight up lying about the tanning thing, it’s the internet and social media what did you expect SMH... 🤦🏽♀️
sit this one out, Jeannie.
I mean everyone is free to state an opinion
Lol
Yea jeannie irritated me in this segment
@Tamika Payne , yes they do. I've read 2 articles about those people doing that. I refuse to go to Chinese resturants and Chinese nail shops.
Aysha Janae exactly
i am upset with the rest of the girls tring to defend this woman
starz isidore as you can see they are not black! They just can’t seem to grasp it at all
SAME
I was upset as well..but girl Loni held it down for us sistas this episode! She definitely got the point across that this is indeed "blackfishing" and that it is wrong to do. Period.
Right! With the exception of Loni I don’t understand why they were all acting so confused by this. This woman in my opinion is no better than Rachel dolezal. I would even go so far as to say it’s worse because even though she was deceptive Rachel actually assisted the black community with her activism- as delusional as she was . This IG model is making herself look at least racially ambiguous as this is what the IG “models” of the day look like now. Curly hair, caramel complexion, big lips. She’s profiting off of a “look”/ that isn’t primarily associated with her ethnicity. And if what ppl in the comments are saying regarding her being featured on black pages and not correcting them is true then she is being deceptive as well.
Nora Rosario Most, if not all of the ppl you named have been dragged tirelessly for that. Particularly Michael and Kim. Ppl have been calling Chyna out and renamed her “White Chyna”. Not sure why you would say ppl don’t speak abt skin bleaching. Yes it goes both ways
Adrienne needs to be banned from serious topics like omg I lose brain cells listening to her.
Fe Fe lmao right! I can’t. Its like she has no ability to critically think or scrutinize
I was getting pissed off girl😂😂
Exactly! "They want our rhythm, but not our blues" facts Loni
Drag is not the same as blackface omg!!! Let’s shut that riiiight tf down
Emma this needs more likes.
She's not comparing it to drag..... God!!! She was talking about transformation and then mentioned drag as these men use makeup to turn themselves into something completely different
Hes not a drag queen
Jeannie was being ridiculous with that comparison 😐
No but I personally have always felt that it was an over dramatization of women which doesn't appropriately represent women. So, in my opinion it's similar. I don't have an issue with it, and thus, I don't have an issue with her. If people can have an operation because they are no longer comfortable being their gender, this kind of stuff will happen as well. Because they're are A LOT of people who hate their skin color. And it is possible to not like your skin and still be on with your race.
Jeannie and Adrienne is completely making no sense. Loni is keeping it REAL
Helen Ntlokwana Jeannie wasn't making any sense at all Adrienne was trying but fail miserably
When trying to sound smart
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Jennie!
HE *IS* being HimSelf
like Noo dude .like iget what ur saying
but .my thing is these are Two DIFFRENT situations
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Helen Ntlokwana Na they are the main ones making sense
“everybody wants our rhythm but you dont want our blues “ - preachhh lonii!!
Everybody wants our rythem but does not want our blues 👏👏👏👏 PREACH LONI!! So dam true !
You cant compare Patrick star too a wanna be “BLACK”. Bye girl
why? She never said she was black and patrick never said he was a woman. Yet they both play around and dress up as if they are for coin't....sounds the same to me.
Keyy Finesse Patrick Star is a QUEEN 👸🏾 but wtf is that girl doing 🤦🏾♀️ whyyyyy do this
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Ok, so what about Michael Jackson whitefacing?
Keyy Finesse she didn’t you twat. Her point was makeup allows transformation. Beauty industry is about influence and creativity.you have to be able to hear all sides of the spectrum before you decide what makes sense to you. Clearly the girl is blackfishing but I also see Jeanie’s points as well.
"Everyone want our rhythm but you don't want our blues." - Loni Love
Tamara and Loni are the only people really keeping it real
I am black and natural brown skin with curly wavy hair nobody compliments me or my skin they say I am to dark and my hair isn’t “black enough” but when they do it is praised and desirable and They make money off of it
That just it being black is not a costume it’s who I am I can’t wipe my skin off
That's what loni should hv said to the other chick
Wtf? I'm so confused! 🤦 Yes I'm that white, I can't even tell. FML.
YES
Damn your pretty 😭😭😭
The same could be said about women. Gender is not a costume its who I am yet you have men dressing like women as if they can understand women struggles but no one says anything about that.
Patrick Star wearing makeup is literally no comparison to her wearing black face. Jeannie tried it. Loni kept it all the way real no sugarcoats. “Everybody wants our rhythm but not our blues!”
Why not, intelligently explain the difference? There are plenty of women who do not like or approve of many wearing makeup etc to look like women. So, what. is. the. difference?
@@Twenty5KDiamondI personally do not see the difference than pretending to be a woman/ presenting as a woman or pretending/presenting as another race. Because even if she put a disclaimer across all her pics people are seeing her as a black woman. You can't see her as anything else. And if she only addresses it when asked...
@@rhoda4253 he is not pretending to be a woman he knows he is a man and identifies as a man he just likes to feel beautiful and makeup isnt only for women its really not its for anyone who wants to be pretty! he is not transgender someone who changed his gender he is just a man with makeup dont compare blackfish someone being racist and mimicking black peoples skin color to a man wearing makeup
Honestly she is sweddish ...she cannot get that dark 🙄And honestly she is taking some medication or something🤷♀️
Ariana grande was at some point very pale and now she looks like this instagram model, she's also probably taking something she's too dark.
@@StevieMichelle Ariana is of Italian decent and tans. It's kinda like what Adrienne was saying. She is lighter in the winter and super dark in the summer.
Not defending her, but there are black people in Sweden...
My friends dad is scandinavian and her mom latina, she identifies as norvegian but can get so tanned she looks like a full blood dark person - winter comes in she gets so pale almost white
Not defending that girl just saying maybe she has that luck a lot of pale girls would wanna have, get a nice tan in summer and for the hair - I don't know but me personally I also like wearing my hair curlier when I am tanned.. it's a different look.
But the subject seems to be sooo touchy I actually am afraid to say more 😳🥺
As a black woman, I would’ve probably walked off set. I would not have been equipped to deal with Adrienne and Jeannies ignorance in a daytime tv setting. Kudos to Loni and Tamera.
This is not the same as drag, Jeannie. you had NO valid points.
BabyKush YES SHE DID! she said that BEAUTY is a form of expression. And that people don’t mean any harm when they do things
You are right! Jeanie have a point, beauty is a form of expression. The girl probably want to express the beauty of race in other cultures not just African Americans :). Patrick Star is an influencer in beauty industry, he is most beautiful man in the whole entire world. Jeanie have a valid point of saying beauty is the imagination playground for people who want to express themselves.
Blanco Tv She didn’t make any freaking sense black face is wrong period
Bri R that is YOUR opinion, I have MINE
She definitely said “but they’re not drag” but go off sis
Jeanie..try again...Adrienne why the confusion? Loni the only one that got it straight🤷🏾♀️
Where is Tamar :)
Her father naturally gets that dark tho?!?! Check her insta
Bitch shut up
Stop wearing others people hair then if u love it black look so much
Yup
The Real is lucky to have a brain like Loni Love. The other three stubbornly try to justify homegirl with “she might be biracial. She might genuinely tan that dark…” but like Loni I’m not buying that BS. That girl knows what she’s doing. She wants attention through a costume. She can easily take it off while actual BIPOC cannot
Loni actually speaking FACTS.
What the actual hell Jeannie. You lost me. There is a difference between being a Drag Queen and outright black facing. Smh.
Nichole T I genuinely don’t see the difference could you explain?
I don't get why it's such a drama if a white girl likes the way she looks when she is tanned but if a Black girl wears wigs, straights her hair or dyes her hair to look blonde no one cares or even say that she looks beautiful and confident. Let her look however she likes and get a life. Loni is such an hypocrite pointig out that that girl's hair ain't natural while she is wearing a fucking wig EVERYDAY
Go read about colorism u twat and white supremacy and caste systems
valentina charlo wigs, straight hair, blond hair, dyes, do not belong to only one race. White people don’t have ownership over that. So it’s not the same thing.
Also, there’s a difference between appropriation and assimilation. There’s more to why black women straighten their hair and other things.
Aren't they supposed to be giving their real opinions? it always seems like they're skirting around issues by acting very dense...its annoying to watch them at times.
Exactly, thank goodness for loni on this one.
Don't nobody wanna see 4 people talking about the same opinion over and over again for 10 minutes. The whole point of a debate is to represent as many notable opinions and include the perspectives that may not have representation at the table.
Exactly! This is why I stopped watching. They never seem to say how they truly feel; keeping it light and PC. I'm not saying be negative or rude but it's okay to have your opinion and justify it or point out when something just doesn't sit well with you.
With the exception of Loni.
You talkin' bout Adrienne.
This girl is still black fishing till this date😂😂😂😂
My mam used to go a dark dark brown when she'd tan. Like shes white-white but her skin would go an almost dark "indian" tone. And she has dark brown/black hair but she had never intentionally tried to mimic another race. So it comes down to her intent behind the look. The curly hair with the dark skin makes me question it.
They either need more black women on this show, or the other ladies need to broaden their perspective on race issues. Loni is the only one who seems to understand this 🤦🏾♀️
She the only real black girl there
She understands it more because she’s aware of the things that happens in the black community (obviously.) conversations like this are typical because we can’t expect everyone to understand everyone’s racial problems; we have too many closed minded people on this earth to make that mentally possible. It’s not that they need more women of a certain race on this show, they need more women who are open to more than one perspective. If you noticed, nobody wanted to listen to no one. It’s like me going up to a Afro-Latina and telling her she’s black and that’s it but she was born in Puerto Rico.
Am I the only one confused on what was hard to understand? This was so OBVIOUS yet only one person (Loni) at the table fully understood. There really wasn’t anything to debate...Yikes🤦🏾♀️
Because she's the only true black women.. Only the ones going through the struggle can truly understand the pain
Its cause they were too scared to say what they really wanted to say because they would offend Loni and the rest of the crowd. Fact is black women are "white fishing" every day by wearing straight blond wigs and contouring their noses to look like a completely different shape. Even the so called "natural" black weave wearers are still exotical or mixed fishing cause you hardly ever see them with a 4c kinky curly wig, its usually that loose tracie ellis ross weave.
“Everybody wants our rhythm, but doesn’t want our blues” AMEN 👏🏾💕!!
That’s right loni defend your race 🙌🏻
That is NOT a sun tan. It's fake tan. Look at her picture....look at her hands. CLEARLY a fake tan.
Laura LaFuente People ( including me) can get as tanned as her just saying
@@gigi-gu2ni All over and so evenly?
Jay Jay yes and it only takes me 2 weeks( because im italian) but since i live in switzerland where it rains all the time im pale af
@@gigi-gu2ni begs the question, how long does her tan last and does she have that tan all year round or do we also see pale pics of her too?
Jay Jay thats a good question tbh ( mine goes away after 2-3 months)
It’s blackface. Period.
Agreed
I mean... I live in the Middle East and I've seen whiter girls turn this dark by tanning alone. But no one is trying to change their race... here it's normal to be darker during the summer and pale in the winter. But she's taken it wayyy too far it's like she's trying to be a different person. 🤔
Thank you Loni!!!! they want our Rythem but not our Blues
Patrick Star? Why is that even a comparison? He wears makeup yes, but he don’t alter his skin color. But of course she wouldn’t understand
Shut up
He changes his whole sex. It's the same thing.
@@jeremiahtray5621 Patrick starr doesn't pretend to be who he isn't
@@tolualabi5965 Nither does the girl who paints her face. It's all the same. Anybody that doesn't agree are in denial and simply retarded.
@@jeremiahtray5621are you fucking stupid? Gender and blackface isn't the same thing.
Jeannie just hush girl. There’s no justification
Actually as a makeup artist colorism is real...We have dark skin black women that come in and want to he light to the point they look ashy and same for other cultures...
Exactly why they brought Amanda on. Jeannie and Adrienne missed the point.