You two both rock because you show me what your heart is beating for at the moment, instead of trying to convince me that I am wrong for being fascinated by something else. I will only stop watching if you become negative instead of positive.
The problem with these channels is they're trying to apply traditional sartorial "rules" to everyday-wear, subsequently forcing everyone to wear the same thing, not encourage people to experiment and find their own style. People strictly following these "rules" are stuck in the 2000s, are clones of each other and not having fun with fashion.
@@JamesLeung i think the other take is that those channels are trying to appeal to as many people as they can and they can't just say "it just depends on your body size and shape so wear what you like." It is much easier and effective to give hard and fast rules to get most of the population up to a baseline and then let the people figure things out for themselves as their own personal style as they go along
These channels have also been around forever and they got comfortable with whatever was the advice of the moment when they started. As much as they might have been helpful back in those days, they failed to evolve and now they just keep spewing the same advice they gave back then. Even their shouting style is bothersome and outdated.
The toughest part is finding quality men’s fashion channels, unfortunately when you search “men’s fashion” a lot of what you showed here pops up.. I need more authenticity from the content to truly get something out of it
This is so true Eddie! I wish I had said that in the video haha. The fact that these channels pop up first will make a lot of people think this is the only way to dress.
Was just about to comment how annoying the shouting guy was. Ironically his video is about what grown men shouldn’t do, I’m pretty sure grown men don’t need to be spoken to like children
Yeah definitely NOT a fan of her channel. She rants and goes on tangents about what "everybody" supposedly likes and hates. Even if she had something relevant to say, no one could hear it over the whining and judgey overtones. That other dude is just loud and annoying. Pass on both of them!!
She seems like a person I don't ever want to be around, cuz she would critique everything. That's if she's even the one writing these things and not just reading off a script. Also she don't look like someone I'd go for looks wise anyway.
Finally someone calls these ”fashion” chanels out! They seem to be living in some 2010 world with quite toxic vibe with all the screeming and negativity. I feel sad for people who try to live up to these ”rules” what they ”should not do”… Everyone should dress as they like and feel no matter ones age ect.
The whole "strong rules" thing feels very late 00's as well, just like with those make-over shows you had on TV Although their style is indeed more 10's
Everybody is free to dress as they like, but not everybody will look good if they do so. What you're saying may feel compassionate to you but ultimately does many people a disservice.
I was never able to get into either of these channels. They have such a judgey and obnoxious overtone. They're simply hard to watch or take seriously. I always appreciate your fresh, open-minded, chill, realistic approach to fashion and style.
what I hate the most about those channels like Alpha M, and channels alike, is their almost religious-like, dogmatic apporoach to fashion, annnddd their weird messages on masculinity, like, if u don´t wear your pants strictly like THIS, you dress horribly, you don´t have fashion sense, you are not "man enough", or when they say things like, "every man has to have this set of items", when BRUH, fashion is all about originality, experimentation and self expression
Correct. I am 74 and wear graphic rock tees like Bob Dylan & Led Zep and people have stopped me on the sidewalk to compliment me, which cracks up my wife. I also have my own style and stick to it. I'm skinny so I wear skinny jeans, which on me look like normal jeans (yeah, I'm really skinny). And I wear black cafe racer jacket, etc.
These people are looking for a more "formal"/"traditional" look. It works. The problem is that you end up looking like a posh rich dad, It's a matter of taste, I hate that look. Not for me. Stucked in the same looks all the time, straight line fashion.
Pinterest can work if you're searching for specific styles, trends, etc. If you just search mens fashion then you will definitely get the mid 2000s outdated look.
I can't believe I used to watch them before hahaha especially Jose Zuniga, but I mostly have taken their advices with a grain of salt. I agree they shared some solid advices mostly those that are "timeless" and "staple" but some are indeed outdated now compared to when I used to watch them during 2015-2017. Now, I watch your content, Tim Dessaint's, Drew Joiners', and Harry Has'! Even though I don't have the super duper exact fashion as yours (since my wardrobe is still mostly slim fits with slowly incorporating of looser/relaxed fits) I still stay for the tips and advices since you mostly tell your audience to wear what makes ourselves comfortable and at the same time keeps the audience updated with trends.
I don’t consider those “fashion channels” they’re life style channels giving you a blueprint in a formulaic way in what to wear how to wear it and how to act. That’s not fashion at all.
I just recently discovered your channel mate and you're a real breath of fresh air. I appreciate your genuine take on men's clothing. Most of these men's "fashion" channel, especially that annoying lady at the beginning, really grinds my gears. They are presciptive and boring. In the same vein, you've got real men real style, teaching men fashion, and gentlemen's gazette which is downright costumey and outdated.
Kind of disagree on the pinterest point. You just have to know what to search for. ‘Mens fashion for winter’ will give you hideous results. But if you search for a specific item/brand/person you usually get the results you want
She never said anything about men not wearing leather. It's about the type of leather for different ages. She's all for suede leather for older gents so they don't look like Lenny Wosniak.
Love hearing your insight on these advices, and hit the nail on the head with Pinterest. Traditional sartorial rules always have an exception, and those exceptions combined with thoughtful and articulated style often result in beautiful ensembles.
I think the point that's being missed by some is that there can be value in getting comfortable with mid-tier clothing and fits before you level up and branch out. You can look a little cut and paste, or Capsule Wardrobe TM, in this phase, but it does tend to give you a nice base to build a wardrobe around. Although most or all of the items called out in these vids have been effectively styled by people in the know, the sort of people who are likely to be watching these videos are also likely to be abusing these items in their own wardrobe. To me, I think there are good points that have been missed in these vids.
Every single time I watch these sort of "fashion" channel I just facepalm. I mean, I work in a laboratory at a University; I'm almost never sitting behind a desk, on my feet most of my day, and getting in and out of PPE. I can't imagine any of their advice working for me at all. And I'd imagine that to be the case of the majority of men out there. If i want to get ready for a GAP or a Banana Republic lookbook photoshoot, then these advice would be prudent. For everyone else out there, understand this: the only reason they keep pushing our these sort of contents is because A) They are simply using it as a platform to segway into their sponsors contents, and B) controversial and outrageous contents drives views and engagement, satisfying the algorithms and increase earnings. Don't use these sort of drivels as advice.
Dude, so happy I stumbled upon your channel... You have inspired me to get back into fashion and trying to find my style! Funny to think that only a few years back I used to watch Alpha M (although I have always found the channel name cringe), looking for guidance. Both channels suck, honestly. Thank you for what you do! Cheers all the way from Brazil!
It’s bad how transparent these channels only care about the monetisation of their viewers rather than their best interests formulated ‘negativity drives engagement’ sewer tier fashion advice
No branding for me - I despise branded clothing - classic ,clean, unbranded and neutral color pallet , make you looked put together , you have good hygiene and some class. Also it says you can afford to think about what you wear. As long as everything is put together and fits properly. Quality over quantity
I started following you back in the days when neoprene was used in tee shirts and hoodies. It’s cool to see where you’ve come and where our styles have evolved since then
🙏 more of these! Seems they’re straight forward to make and there’s an edginess to you directly confronting the hypocrisies and outdated tropes. Obviously many of these channels offer more than just BS. There’s good stuff in there. You’re reach and influence calling out the BS will help set a better precedent ! Also I think if you do this 1 channel per video, channel by channel, and include the name in the title, you’ll stand to get a lot of overlap viewers 🤷♂️
Thank you man! I’ll definitely do some more in the future, and yes 1 per video would be better because this one took me ages to film and edit haha. Thanks for watching
Hey man, I've found your channel very recently - love your work and the message you sent out there! You show this very nice and kind of rare (!) attitude, pushing us to try to find ourselves and our own taste in this fashion world instead of forcing us to fit to yours view on male's fashion. Even if I have some different opinions (espadrilles slander?? And being cool with mismatching leathers? Wow...) i still want to watch the video because I'm interested in your opinion :)
Thank you for the kind words! Yep fashion is all about personal taste so I’m more than happy for people to disagree with me haha. It makes things interesting! Thanks for watching
@@JamesLeung Thanks for making such content! I wonder how can one get featured in yours rating viewers outfits video? It's kind of tempting to hear your take on my humble attempts
Great video, loved hearing your takes. I think the common thread with these channels is that they're all older millennials who are generally stuck with, what are now, outdated fashion views. To be fair, I'm an older millennial myself, and 10-15 years ago would 100% agree with everything they're saying. Heck, I used to watch these channels when they started and they don't seem to have changed their view whatsoever, which is a bit weird imo for folks who are dealing with something so fluid as fashion 🤷🏻♀ Really appreciated your gentle humane takes that clothing should just be something people enjoy vs the message of these channels which is mainly "because otherwise you're childish" or "that's just how it should be". Chef's kisses all the way x
Another great video James. I got a denim jacket that we talked about in the last video but not an AllSaints one and I don’t like the colour (dark blue, almost black) of this denim jacket so I’m going to op for the AllSaints one when I can. Have a good day.
Pinterest can be great for men’s fashion you just have to take some time to train the algorithm to show you things you like, and know the right keywords to use.
One of the things I love about U is your calm presentation. Fashion can be stressful sometimes - sounds weird but it’s a thing, and the yellies U showed already make me switch off. I also agree satorially with your agrees and disagrees.
Sandals/Flip-Flops are usually designed for beach wear because they normally don't have the right support for your feet because they are made for environments that don't need that support. Maybe it's not all Sandals/Flip-Flops as it wouldn't be that far fetched that there would be versions of those footwear that have the support needed while walking on solid hard floors like concrete.
Harry Has, Modest Man (Brock McGoff), Tim Dessaint and Courtney Ryan are great alternatives to check out imo, not only do they provide very valuable fashion advice, they also provide great health and wellbeing habits to keep while improving your overall appearance. The key thing is that they're not as 'in your face' and outspoken as Ashley Weston (Men's Fashioner) and Alpha M are. Like I've seen one of Ashley's videos complaining about Gilets (Bodywarmers) and I'm like seriously? If people want to wear them then they should, they're like the perfect thing to wear during Spring and Autumn, not as bulky as coats and jackets can be, but they'll keep your body warm appropriate for the temperature and they have pockets in which you can keep your keys, phone etc. Plus they're very useful to wear while driving as they allow full movement of your arms while steering. Her argument is that they look goofy and uncool but if wear them with a long sleeve shirt, dark wash jeans and boots it puts together a great robust and masculine look, especially with the sleeves rolled up. For a more casual look, they even look great with hoodies.
I think its easier for a large channel catered towards complete style beginners to tell people to stay away from generally divisive things without going into in depth explanations how you can style these things and make them work.
These two who identify as "fashion stylists" are not only annoying to the extreme with their loud preachy voices, but they are clearly clueless as to what finding your own personal and individual style really means. If these two were given the task to dressing every single man in town, they d turn the town into the most predictable, boring AF place to be.
Aye as a guy who is 28 now and loved alpha m. during my college years because he was one of the few men who taught me how to dress better and things surrounding becoming a man like what kind of women to not date and how to better your hairstyle and how being a man doesn't mean you can't cry, he did help me out a lot during my young adult life. Unfortunately nowadays him and that lady's channel is moreso focused on preying on men's insecurities and giving a vibe that you as a man should solely live to get women's validation so u should dress this way or get this cologne bc women like it, etc. That's NOT the right message for men to become better. That just further injures their problem with their self esteem and mental issues with themselves and women.
@@JamesLeung Absolutely :/ I guess their delivery is good for views but it damages men and doesn't help them internally nor make them a mentally healthier
I think these channels have value if you are just starting off and have zero sense of style. Not all to advice is good though (I also don’t get why she likes espadrilles so much, and they are both too harsh with some Critique). And even if some advice is kind of outdated I think it’s good to know the basic rules of men’s fashion so you can intentionally break them as you start to understand what you like more.
With all of this in mind, I might have to reconsider my fashion choices. I'm convinced don't have a personal style at all. The problem is I don't know which direction to take to solve this problem. My only options are: a) Continue the AlphaM/TMF/Pinterest way of menswear, but be seen as boring and basic. Nobody likes boring and basic. The StraightTok vs AltTok era made me feel some type of way. b) Find out what is not considered "boring and basic", but then I would feel like a poser since I'm portraying something I'm not - I'm not at all a creative, never involved in any -core/aesthetic communities, etc. And on top of that end up being out of touch. I'm only 23 yet I don't relate with the way GenZ-ers express themselves on social media. c) Get inspiration from my favorite rappers, but get accused of glazing/cultural appropriation/racism. Everyone tells me to "be myself" but I don't know who I am. Is it over for me?
The sock thing works. Most of the time people are wearing long pants and the socks are really only seen when sitting down. The novelty socks add a splash of color for more informal outfits. Someone who is a musician can express individuality without something like a graphic tee with piano socks.
Yeah I don’t actually have an issue with colourful socks. It just seemed odd that she said graphic tees and logo hoodies were childish but in my eyes taco and sushi socks are a bit immature too. It’s all personal preference I guess
As mentioned at 10:27 Pinterest is not the place to go to for fashion, but I was wondering where to look instead? I'd be thankful for any kind of help ^_^
I actually really like fanny packs/crossbody bags. if you already store your phone, wallet, and keys in your pants, you have the entire bag for whatever other small items you might carry throughout the day. They're usually quick release buckled, and are compact enough to be easy to store in your car, possibly even in your glove compartment if it's a small enough bag. I think they can be a fun casual accessory that has actual function. Maybe that's just because I think Kintaro Oe from "Golden Boy" is a pretty simple and casual but weirdly stylish character though.
I just can’t ever get over the crocs thing? I guess when growing up they were just for young children (no laces) and people with money but with no style. And how big of a staple they’ve become in the US, mostly due to their marketing, the same person responsible for this awful new Stanley Cup trend…they’re also the culprit shoe chose for the movie “Idiocracy” and were chosen specifically as a goof
Genuine question, I´ve also noted men´s outfits generally looking outdated-ish on Pinterest. Any suggestion on better alternatives etc? Except this gem of a channel of course!
The "mens fashioner" channel is not my favorite. I never make it far in her videos, and when I do, I just feel like I'm being scolded like a small school boy (and I'm 30). When in this corner of youtube I want to hear fashion ideas, be inspired, and learn about the way other people (dissimilar to me) might dress! Thanks for being part of that corner James!
The only classic style/men’s fashion channels I follow are Gentlemen’s Gazette and Real Men’s Real Style. No shouting. Some history. Serve a purpose for men that want to move up in the professional world without being annoying like these two gits you mentioned. I share some of their opinions but I don’t give them a time of day. And yes, they both are classist and grift on cultural masculinity because that stuff matters whether you disagree or not (but why someone like that would take advice from people like Ashley is beyond me lol). Point is if you like streetwear these channels aren’t your bag. If you’re a professional or someone that wants to rise rank while maintaining quality and form, they might point you in the right direction. Any utility/hiker/workwear fans here?
Those channels are like the equivalent to a videogame tutorial. Good advice for beginners but definitely not clothes you want to be wearing in the end.
I try to take all these channels as having a certain audience and having a certain design philosophy, so I dont really care what they think or believe when I am not part of that audience. That aside, alpha m is just a husk at this point being a boost for some genuinely awful brands like MVMT watches. I understand the influencer economy is difficult to sustain but so many of these channels are just thinly veiled commercials. The other factor of course is that being deliberately inflammatory drives engagement, and engagement positive or negative is $$$.
Absolutely mate, you can see right through the videos which are built around advertising something in the middle. It wouldn’t be so bad if the thing they were advertising was good but it is often rubbish haha. Thanks for watching!
I follow this chanel, as well as thr others mentioned, and I personally don't have an issue. I don't feel like these other creators are saying you can't wear what you want, but, they've stated the general perception on what how you wear can be looked upon. They also encourage guys who to dress better so that people perceive you in a better light. (Lets not pretend that people don't judge you based on how you dress) End of the day, these channels are meant to help guys who want to elevate their style. Graphic Ts, for example, aren't very flattering since they're kinda what kids wear. But, if you are comfortable with how you look and you don't wanna change it, then do you
Thanks James these gave me a good laugh, although to be honest some of their attitudes seemed pretty toxic and unhelpful. The black and white, utilitarian way of seeing clothing is suppressing men’s confidence in expressing themselves with fashion. I am glad we now have channels like yours, Tim’s, harry has and DS. You all bring a diverse and kind vision of fashion for every men so thank you again!
I find it weird that people hate on fun socks and underwear. I always found them to be like a little secret for men. Just like women have fun/ sexy lingerie, us men can have fun socks and underwear with silly patterns that can show off our personalities.
The thing that gets me is the super crisp white shoes. So what do you do for leaving sell weed. I have a couple pairs of boots that are and they get scuffed here and there. Even in NY you are getting in out storms and weather. Subways etc. I do believe that if your going to a nice restaurant and yes have a nice pair of leather shoes.
I have a question why is this man screaming at me tell me what not to wear his man screaming at me like he's my dad like dude lower your voice and tell me what not to wear okay like geez why do a lot of these men influencer guys have to yell at you like a psycho don't wear this because it's going to be bad for you that's basically what they're saying
because i've been watching your videos since the Fear Of God, Yeezy era and keeping up with fashion the past years this part at 5:50 is so funny and to me :')
I think this chanels are a good starting point, they will give you the basics and some "rules" to dress, but they are not going to help after a while when you are trying to find your own personal style.
Ashley Weston dresses some of the top Hollywood men. She knows what she's talking about. Beauty is you can disagree with her and do what you want. But considering her resume and experience, I'd stick with her advice any day.
I wear dress pants normally so I can't really complain about that like the idea that wearing dark wash jeans is a good idea some people don't like the look of jeans I don't like the way the fabric feels because I'm on the Spectrum so yeah and that's a thing like the idea that you should always wear dark wash jeans I guess what she's saying their versatile but I don't personally really care either way why is cuz I'm a dude and I don't care that's the thing I'm going to do I don't care what I'm wearing I can't really say that what I wear is any better but at least it's better than like 90% of like what most people wear today also I agree with that like Pinterest Pinterest is all about it's all about taunting how you look best thing Pinterest is not all about looking good it's all about showing off how much money you have
only miss is the tattoo advice. many get these tattoos before they know who they are and which life path that they want. It's easy to toss an offensive t-shirt, however your face tat is almost always be a regret that is nearly impossible to shake.
Khaki cargo pants/shorts are the new fanny pack. Lots of off-duty soldiers and law enforcement wear them, so they are much more socially acceptable than most of these fashion channels write off.
wearing baggy top with skinny jean does not suit everybody, as a matter of fact I would think it's a completely no no and mis match. I would definately do baggy top and baggy pants together.
The moral of the story is that these 'rules' are really guidelines. At the end of the day, you decide what suits your style. I've seen graphic tees look really good on older guys, but also sometimes quite lame. I'd say tank tops might be good on younger guys, mostly because as you grow older, most guys get a bit more chubby. I agree with the point about graphic socks - they look bad.
I think sometimes these "never wear" videos are useful less as instruction manuals (even if they seem to be advertised as such) and more as tools to see what I may agree with or disagree with in an effort to better understand my own taste for my own body. Though frankly, I don't think there are many fashion or clothing videos that I 100% agree with - even on this channel.
When it comes to fashion i follow some very simple rules. Make sure it fits and is comfortable. Avoid labels, paying for expensive fashion brands only to give the brand free advertising has never made any sense. Avoid mismatching colours or cuts. Wear the right clothes and footwear in the right season.
Those top right espadrilles i think are fire tbh. I just dont understand why they are being compared to crocs such a dif style. Wouldnt work with same outfits
My argument to those channels is “STAY ON YOUR LANE” if you are not in to the street style don’t judge it with your old, conservative, wanna look executive eyes! AND on top of that… they are talking to their audience very bad! When you on the other hand, you are making suggestions and you are giving ppl alternatives! I wanna hang out with you and discuss our points on fashion … not them! 😂
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Indeed... the Alpha man reminds me of someone, down the market, flogging moody aftershave out the back of a van...
Indded... ` the alpha` reminds me of someone selling moody aftershave out of the back of a van...
Man! The part about the graphic socks had me in stitches! This was a really enjoyable video!
Haha, it’s absolute madness!! Thank you bro 👊
You two both rock because you show me what your heart is beating for at the moment, instead of trying to convince me that I am wrong for being fascinated by something else. I will only stop watching if you become negative instead of positive.
Fun socks are a great way to add some personality without being intrusive like a t-shirt and can be even worn with formal outfits
The problem with these channels is they're trying to apply traditional sartorial "rules" to everyday-wear, subsequently forcing everyone to wear the same thing, not encourage people to experiment and find their own style. People strictly following these "rules" are stuck in the 2000s, are clones of each other and not having fun with fashion.
Yeah exactly. There’s some good advice hidden in there but most of it is very strict like you said. Not much room for personal style!
2010s*
@@JamesLeung i think the other take is that those channels are trying to appeal to as many people as they can and they can't just say "it just depends on your body size and shape so wear what you like." It is much easier and effective to give hard and fast rules to get most of the population up to a baseline and then let the people figure things out for themselves as their own personal style as they go along
These channels have also been around forever and they got comfortable with whatever was the advice of the moment when they started. As much as they might have been helpful back in those days, they failed to evolve and now they just keep spewing the same advice they gave back then. Even their shouting style is bothersome and outdated.
@rainiwakura2430 no some of it is even 00's, like the "no socks in sandals" and "no white socks" rule
The toughest part is finding quality men’s fashion channels, unfortunately when you search “men’s fashion” a lot of what you showed here pops up.. I need more authenticity from the content to truly get something out of it
This is so true Eddie! I wish I had said that in the video haha. The fact that these channels pop up first will make a lot of people think this is the only way to dress.
it’s you two + harry and drew joiner who are the realest in the scene. you guys are truly awesome
@@JamesLeung you hit all the important points tho 👏🏼 great vid bro!
check out daniel simmons, stevie salle, jordan obrien
@@wifimanboynah they are life stayle vloggers
I hate it when creators are too shouty and animated. Just chill. If I want to get shouted at in my spare time, I’ll start doing bootcamp fitness…
Haha 🤣
I agree cause he is just yelling the whole time..
yeah like why is he shouting the whole video😭
you sound like you put people to sleep too
Was just about to comment how annoying the shouting guy was. Ironically his video is about what grown men shouldn’t do, I’m pretty sure grown men don’t need to be spoken to like children
Ashley is toxic. Her whole schtick is about shtting on guys and other creators.
I actually got so pissed off I reported her channel lol
Yeah definitely NOT a fan of her channel. She rants and goes on tangents about what "everybody" supposedly likes and hates. Even if she had something relevant to say, no one could hear it over the whining and judgey overtones. That other dude is just loud and annoying. Pass on both of them!!
She's the worst amongst men's "fashion" channels out there. I couldn't stand her voice and wrong opinion on everything.
She seems like a person I don't ever want to be around, cuz she would critique everything. That's if she's even the one writing these things and not just reading off a script. Also she don't look like someone I'd go for looks wise anyway.
Her brain and body are lacking vital nutrients 🙄🙄🙄
Finally someone calls these ”fashion” chanels out! They seem to be living in some 2010 world with quite toxic vibe with all the screeming and negativity. I feel sad for people who try to live up to these ”rules” what they ”should not do”…
Everyone should dress as they like and feel no matter ones age ect.
Well said! Thanks for watching
The whole "strong rules" thing feels very late 00's as well, just like with those make-over shows you had on TV
Although their style is indeed more 10's
Everybody is free to dress as they like, but not everybody will look good if they do so.
What you're saying may feel compassionate to you but ultimately does many people a disservice.
How condescending. Just like those chanels.
I was never able to get into either of these channels. They have such a judgey and obnoxious overtone. They're simply hard to watch or take seriously. I always appreciate your fresh, open-minded, chill, realistic approach to fashion and style.
Yeah that’s how I felt, like they’re judging us if we don’t wear what they say 🤣 thanks for the kind words!
what I hate the most about those channels like Alpha M, and channels alike, is their almost religious-like, dogmatic apporoach to fashion, annnddd their weird messages on masculinity, like, if u don´t wear your pants strictly like THIS, you dress horribly, you don´t have fashion sense, you are not "man enough", or when they say things like, "every man has to have this set of items", when BRUH, fashion is all about originality, experimentation and self expression
Yeah well said! Very dogmatic like you say.
Correct. I am 74 and wear graphic rock tees like Bob Dylan & Led Zep and people have stopped me on the sidewalk to compliment me, which cracks up my wife. I also have my own style and stick to it. I'm skinny so I wear skinny jeans, which on me look like normal jeans (yeah, I'm really skinny). And I wear black cafe racer jacket, etc.
i really hate when they say "every man needs a suit" i don't go to any formal events so what do i need a suit for?
Alpha male is a short man with a big complex.
i cannot get over that lamp
In a good way I hope 🤣
Me too. I love that lamp so much.
I have been looking for the exact lamp thrift /vintage!
@@JamesLeungdon't know about them, but I think it's amazing, very 1920's Jugendstil/art-nouveau inspired
Alrighty
These people are looking for a more "formal"/"traditional" look. It works. The problem is that you end up looking like a posh rich dad, It's a matter of taste, I hate that look. Not for me. Stucked in the same looks all the time, straight line fashion.
That's not fashion imo, it's just... clothings!
Yeah true it is all down to personal taste! Thanks for watching
Their advice even for those styles is still terrible
i hate formal too. trying to go more goth. found some pants with pentagrams. i already have the boots
Pinterest can work if you're searching for specific styles, trends, etc. If you just search mens fashion then you will definitely get the mid 2000s outdated look.
I can't believe I used to watch them before hahaha especially Jose Zuniga, but I mostly have taken their advices with a grain of salt. I agree they shared some solid advices mostly those that are "timeless" and "staple" but some are indeed outdated now compared to when I used to watch them during 2015-2017.
Now, I watch your content, Tim Dessaint's, Drew Joiners', and Harry Has'! Even though I don't have the super duper exact fashion as yours (since my wardrobe is still mostly slim fits with slowly incorporating of looser/relaxed fits) I still stay for the tips and advices since you mostly tell your audience to wear what makes ourselves comfortable and at the same time keeps the audience updated with trends.
I have learned there is no such thing as "timeless" and that's done more to help me. What should be more promoted is "versatile".
@@Drownedinblood that is indeed a better term! I haven't thought of it that way until now... food for thought haha
I don’t consider those “fashion channels” they’re life style channels giving you a blueprint in a formulaic way in what to wear how to wear it and how to act. That’s not fashion at all.
I just recently discovered your channel mate and you're a real breath of fresh air. I appreciate your genuine take on men's clothing.
Most of these men's "fashion" channel, especially that annoying lady at the beginning, really grinds my gears. They are presciptive and boring. In the same vein, you've got real men real style, teaching men fashion, and gentlemen's gazette which is downright costumey and outdated.
Yeah there’s a few out there for sure, might have to do a part 2! Thanks so much for watching mate, glad you enjoy my content!
Kind of disagree on the pinterest point. You just have to know what to search for. ‘Mens fashion for winter’ will give you hideous results. But if you search for a specific item/brand/person you usually get the results you want
Ahh fair point, I tried it a few times and failed but I’ll have to give it another go.
Never take anything from Ashley Weston seriously! She attack men with leather jacket really? All this channels I take advices with a gain of salt!
Yeah exactly!
She never said anything about men not wearing leather. It's about the type of leather for different ages. She's all for suede leather for older gents so they don't look like Lenny Wosniak.
Love hearing your insight on these advices, and hit the nail on the head with Pinterest. Traditional sartorial rules always have an exception, and those exceptions combined with thoughtful and articulated style often result in beautiful ensembles.
I think the point that's being missed by some is that there can be value in getting comfortable with mid-tier clothing and fits before you level up and branch out.
You can look a little cut and paste, or Capsule Wardrobe TM, in this phase, but it does tend to give you a nice base to build a wardrobe around. Although most or all of the items called out in these vids have been effectively styled by people in the know, the sort of people who are likely to be watching these videos are also likely to be abusing these items in their own wardrobe.
To me, I think there are good points that have been missed in these vids.
Every single time I watch these sort of "fashion" channel I just facepalm. I mean, I work in a laboratory at a University; I'm almost never sitting behind a desk, on my feet most of my day, and getting in and out of PPE. I can't imagine any of their advice working for me at all. And I'd imagine that to be the case of the majority of men out there.
If i want to get ready for a GAP or a Banana Republic lookbook photoshoot, then these advice would be prudent. For everyone else out there, understand this: the only reason they keep pushing our these sort of contents is because A) They are simply using it as a platform to segway into their sponsors contents, and B) controversial and outrageous contents drives views and engagement, satisfying the algorithms and increase earnings.
Don't use these sort of drivels as advice.
Totally correct mate! 👍
Dude, so happy I stumbled upon your channel... You have inspired me to get back into fashion and trying to find my style! Funny to think that only a few years back I used to watch Alpha M (although I have always found the channel name cringe), looking for guidance. Both channels suck, honestly. Thank you for what you do! Cheers all the way from Brazil!
So glad I can help man, thanks for the kind words!
It’s bad how transparent these channels only care about the monetisation of their viewers rather than their best interests formulated ‘negativity drives engagement’ sewer tier fashion advice
Exactly!
No branding for me - I despise branded clothing - classic ,clean, unbranded and neutral color pallet , make you looked put together , you have good hygiene and some class. Also it says you can afford to think about what you wear. As long as everything is put together and fits properly. Quality over quantity
Agreed 👍
I dont usually comment on videos but this video is one of the best best critique videos about these 2 famouse "style" youtubers. Congrats for content!
Thanks so much!
They are negative channels, instead of showing new/other/elevated/better possibilities in a positive way.
I started following you back in the days when neoprene was used in tee shirts and hoodies. It’s cool to see where you’ve come and where our styles have evolved since then
Ahh man the good old days! Thanks so much for following mate 🙏
🙏 more of these! Seems they’re straight forward to make and there’s an edginess to you directly confronting the hypocrisies and outdated tropes. Obviously many of these channels offer more than just BS. There’s good stuff in there. You’re reach and influence calling out the BS will help set a better precedent !
Also I think if you do this 1 channel per video, channel by channel, and include the name in the title, you’ll stand to get a lot of overlap viewers 🤷♂️
Thank you man! I’ll definitely do some more in the future, and yes 1 per video would be better because this one took me ages to film and edit haha. Thanks for watching
@@JamesLeung lol not so straightforward then. my inexperienced take, clearly 👌 but thank you. keep doing you
Hey man, I've found your channel very recently - love your work and the message you sent out there!
You show this very nice and kind of rare (!) attitude, pushing us to try to find ourselves and our own taste in this fashion world instead of forcing us to fit to yours view on male's fashion.
Even if I have some different opinions (espadrilles slander?? And being cool with mismatching leathers? Wow...) i still want to watch the video because I'm interested in your opinion :)
Thank you for the kind words! Yep fashion is all about personal taste so I’m more than happy for people to disagree with me haha. It makes things interesting! Thanks for watching
@@JamesLeung Thanks for making such content! I wonder how can one get featured in yours rating viewers outfits video? It's kind of tempting to hear your take on my humble attempts
Great video, loved hearing your takes. I think the common thread with these channels is that they're all older millennials who are generally stuck with, what are now, outdated fashion views. To be fair, I'm an older millennial myself, and 10-15 years ago would 100% agree with everything they're saying. Heck, I used to watch these channels when they started and they don't seem to have changed their view whatsoever, which is a bit weird imo for folks who are dealing with something so fluid as fashion 🤷🏻♀ Really appreciated your gentle humane takes that clothing should just be something people enjoy vs the message of these channels which is mainly "because otherwise you're childish" or "that's just how it should be". Chef's kisses all the way x
Another great video James. I got a denim jacket that we talked about in the last video but not an AllSaints one and I don’t like the colour (dark blue, almost black) of this denim jacket so I’m going to op for the AllSaints one when I can. Have a good day.
Would love to see how you style denim jackets wherever here or on Instagram.
Nice man, hope you like it! Yes a denim jackets video would be good especially for spring. Thanks for watching!
Any recommendations for “good” mens fashion channels? Personally I have found Ashleys stuff to be helpful with at least starting on my style trend
That first creator obviousness to mens fashion is next level
This was actually lowkey hilarious mate, nice vid as always!
Cheers
Haha thanks!
Pinterest can be great for men’s fashion you just have to take some time to train the algorithm to show you things you like, and know the right keywords to use.
That makes sense 👍
Alpha M’s douchiness causes me to block out every word that comes out of his mouth.
😂
Great video James. Such a calm and and respectful response to seemingly angry content
Thank you mate!
One of the things I love about U is your calm presentation. Fashion can be stressful sometimes - sounds weird but it’s a thing, and the yellies U showed already make me switch off. I also agree satorially with your agrees and disagrees.
The only time you can show off a logo, is with Calvin Klein underwear in bed
Sandals/Flip-Flops are usually designed for beach wear because they normally don't have the right support for your feet because they are made for environments that don't need that support. Maybe it's not all Sandals/Flip-Flops as it wouldn't be that far fetched that there would be versions of those footwear that have the support needed while walking on solid hard floors like concrete.
James Leung vs Alpha M on the next TH-cam boxing event, I've heard 🤣
Haha I dunno he looks in a lot better shape than me 🤣
Harry Has, Modest Man (Brock McGoff), Tim Dessaint and Courtney Ryan are great alternatives to check out imo, not only do they provide very valuable fashion advice, they also provide great health and wellbeing habits to keep while improving your overall appearance. The key thing is that they're not as 'in your face' and outspoken as Ashley Weston (Men's Fashioner) and Alpha M are.
Like I've seen one of Ashley's videos complaining about Gilets (Bodywarmers) and I'm like seriously? If people want to wear them then they should, they're like the perfect thing to wear during Spring and Autumn, not as bulky as coats and jackets can be, but they'll keep your body warm appropriate for the temperature and they have pockets in which you can keep your keys, phone etc. Plus they're very useful to wear while driving as they allow full movement of your arms while steering. Her argument is that they look goofy and uncool but if wear them with a long sleeve shirt, dark wash jeans and boots it puts together a great robust and masculine look, especially with the sleeves rolled up. For a more casual look, they even look great with hoodies.
Yeah they seem to miss the point of practicality which is a hugely important. Love all those channels you mentioned 👍
@@JamesLeung Cheers mate, it's always good to look out for fellow bros haha
I think its easier for a large channel catered towards complete style beginners to tell people to stay away from generally divisive things without going into in depth explanations how you can style these things and make them work.
Yeah that makes sense 👍
These two who identify as "fashion stylists" are not only annoying to the extreme with their loud preachy voices, but they are clearly clueless as to what finding your own personal and individual style really means.
If these two were given the task to dressing every single man in town, they d turn the town into the most predictable, boring AF place to be.
Aye as a guy who is 28 now and loved alpha m. during my college years because he was one of the few men who taught me how to dress better and things surrounding becoming a man like what kind of women to not date and how to better your hairstyle and how being a man doesn't mean you can't cry, he did help me out a lot during my young adult life. Unfortunately nowadays him and that lady's channel is moreso focused on preying on men's insecurities and giving a vibe that you as a man should solely live to get women's validation so u should dress this way or get this cologne bc women like it, etc. That's NOT the right message for men to become better. That just further injures their problem with their self esteem and mental issues with themselves and women.
Agree with you 100%. It’s a shame because they obviously know their stuff but their message is delivered in a strange way.
@@JamesLeung Absolutely :/ I guess their delivery is good for views but it damages men and doesn't help them internally nor make them a mentally healthier
I think these channels have value if you are just starting off and have zero sense of style. Not all to advice is good though (I also don’t get why she likes espadrilles so much, and they are both too harsh with some Critique). And even if some advice is kind of outdated I think it’s good to know the basic rules of men’s fashion so you can intentionally break them as you start to understand what you like more.
Yes very true 👍
With all of this in mind, I might have to reconsider my fashion choices. I'm convinced don't have a personal style at all. The problem is I don't know which direction to take to solve this problem. My only options are:
a) Continue the AlphaM/TMF/Pinterest way of menswear, but be seen as boring and basic. Nobody likes boring and basic. The StraightTok vs AltTok era made me feel some type of way.
b) Find out what is not considered "boring and basic", but then I would feel like a poser since I'm portraying something I'm not - I'm not at all a creative, never involved in any -core/aesthetic communities, etc. And on top of that end up being out of touch. I'm only 23 yet I don't relate with the way GenZ-ers express themselves on social media.
c) Get inspiration from my favorite rappers, but get accused of glazing/cultural appropriation/racism.
Everyone tells me to "be myself" but I don't know who I am. Is it over for me?
The sock thing works. Most of the time people are wearing long pants and the socks are really only seen when sitting down. The novelty socks add a splash of color for more informal outfits. Someone who is a musician can express individuality without something like a graphic tee with piano socks.
Yeah I don’t actually have an issue with colourful socks. It just seemed odd that she said graphic tees and logo hoodies were childish but in my eyes taco and sushi socks are a bit immature too. It’s all personal preference I guess
As mentioned at 10:27 Pinterest is not the place to go to for fashion, but I was wondering where to look instead?
I'd be thankful for any kind of help ^_^
I actually really like fanny packs/crossbody bags. if you already store your phone, wallet, and keys in your pants, you have the entire bag for whatever other small items you might carry throughout the day. They're usually quick release buckled, and are compact enough to be easy to store in your car, possibly even in your glove compartment if it's a small enough bag.
I think they can be a fun casual accessory that has actual function.
Maybe that's just because I think Kintaro Oe from "Golden Boy" is a pretty simple and casual but weirdly stylish character though.
Makes sense. Haha yes he is!
I just can’t ever get over the crocs thing? I guess when growing up they were just for young children (no laces) and people with money but with no style. And how big of a staple they’ve become in the US, mostly due to their marketing, the same person responsible for this awful new Stanley Cup trend…they’re also the culprit shoe chose for the movie “Idiocracy” and were chosen specifically as a goof
Fun vid James I like this idea and your commentary was spot on 🔥🔥
Thanks so much bro!
Hey James, what brand hoodie are you wearing in this vid?
Weekday 👍
@@JamesLeung Thanks!
Genuine question, I´ve also noted men´s outfits generally looking outdated-ish on Pinterest. Any suggestion on better alternatives etc? Except this gem of a channel of course!
The "mens fashioner" channel is not my favorite. I never make it far in her videos, and when I do, I just feel like I'm being scolded like a small school boy (and I'm 30). When in this corner of youtube I want to hear fashion ideas, be inspired, and learn about the way other people (dissimilar to me) might dress! Thanks for being part of that corner James!
Haha yeah I felt the same watching it. Thanks so much mate, glad you like the content!
Love the long video format
Glad you liked it man! I am always worried people will be put off by it
Love the vids James. Where do you recommend for inspiration if not Pinterest?
I think Instagram is generally better but even that is becoming a bit of a mess!
Hey! What hoodie are you wearing in this video?
Hey hey, it’s from weekday (check out my spring outfits video for more info!)
The only classic style/men’s fashion channels I follow are Gentlemen’s Gazette and Real Men’s Real Style. No shouting. Some history. Serve a purpose for men that want to move up in the professional world without being annoying like these two gits you mentioned. I share some of their opinions but I don’t give them a time of day. And yes, they both are classist and grift on cultural masculinity because that stuff matters whether you disagree or not (but why someone like that would take advice from people like Ashley is beyond me lol).
Point is if you like streetwear these channels aren’t your bag. If you’re a professional or someone that wants to rise rank while maintaining quality and form, they might point you in the right direction.
Any utility/hiker/workwear fans here?
Those channels are like the equivalent to a videogame tutorial. Good advice for beginners but definitely not clothes you want to be wearing in the end.
The lighting in this video is immaculate
Thanks man! Just good old natural sunlight 🙏
I try to take all these channels as having a certain audience and having a certain design philosophy, so I dont really care what they think or believe when I am not part of that audience. That aside, alpha m is just a husk at this point being a boost for some genuinely awful brands like MVMT watches. I understand the influencer economy is difficult to sustain but so many of these channels are just thinly veiled commercials. The other factor of course is that being deliberately inflammatory drives engagement, and engagement positive or negative is $$$.
Absolutely mate, you can see right through the videos which are built around advertising something in the middle. It wouldn’t be so bad if the thing they were advertising was good but it is often rubbish haha. Thanks for watching!
I follow this chanel, as well as thr others mentioned, and I personally don't have an issue.
I don't feel like these other creators are saying you can't wear what you want, but, they've stated the general perception on what how you wear can be looked upon.
They also encourage guys who to dress better so that people perceive you in a better light. (Lets not pretend that people don't judge you based on how you dress)
End of the day, these channels are meant to help guys who want to elevate their style. Graphic Ts, for example, aren't very flattering since they're kinda what kids wear. But, if you are comfortable with how you look and you don't wanna change it, then do you
The problem is the overuse of words like "always" or "never" or "absolutely".
For sure 👍
Thanks James these gave me a good laugh, although to be honest some of their attitudes seemed pretty toxic and unhelpful. The black and white, utilitarian way of seeing clothing is suppressing men’s confidence in expressing themselves with fashion. I am glad we now have channels like yours, Tim’s, harry has and DS. You all bring a diverse and kind vision of fashion for every men so thank you again!
Yeah it’s a shame to box in people’s fashion. Thanks for the kind words mate!
Why is Alpha always shouting in my face? 😄
Ashley from Mens Fashioner did change her opinion on crossbody bags in a more recent video.
I find it weird that people hate on fun socks and underwear. I always found them to be like a little secret for men. Just like women have fun/ sexy lingerie, us men can have fun socks and underwear with silly patterns that can show off our personalities.
The thing that gets me is the super crisp white shoes. So what do you do for leaving sell weed. I have a couple pairs of boots that are and they get scuffed here and there.
Even in NY you are getting in out storms and weather. Subways etc.
I do believe that if your going to a nice restaurant and yes have a nice pair of leather shoes.
what is their obsession with the boring and basic white shoes? i'd never wear them. somehow my feet are only comfortable in platform boots
I have a question why is this man screaming at me tell me what not to wear his man screaming at me like he's my dad like dude lower your voice and tell me what not to wear okay like geez why do a lot of these men influencer guys have to yell at you like a psycho don't wear this because it's going to be bad for you that's basically what they're saying
He is a loud idiot at times, he doesn’t need a mic, his shouting into the future at us
because i've been watching your videos since the Fear Of God, Yeezy era and keeping up with fashion the past years this part at 5:50 is so funny and to me :')
What are good alternatives to finding inspiration (aside from TH-cam), if not Pinterest? Thank you! .)
no white socks = good rule
I think this chanels are a good starting point, they will give you the basics and some "rules" to dress, but they are not going to help after a while when you are trying to find your own personal style.
Yeah definitely some good tips in there 👍
I LOVE my Fanny pack while traveling or hiking. You're right it is NOT fashion accessory. It just makes things easier, it's comfort!
Ashley Weston dresses some of the top Hollywood men. She knows what she's talking about. Beauty is you can disagree with her and do what you want. But considering her resume and experience, I'd stick with her advice any day.
Didn't think I'd stick up for crocs, but these shoes rule
Haha they’re great
she is so self contradictory it's crazy
Alpha M yelling at me is triggering
I know right 🤣
I wear dress pants normally so I can't really complain about that like the idea that wearing dark wash jeans is a good idea some people don't like the look of jeans I don't like the way the fabric feels because I'm on the Spectrum so yeah and that's a thing like the idea that you should always wear dark wash jeans I guess what she's saying their versatile but I don't personally really care either way why is cuz I'm a dude and I don't care that's the thing I'm going to do I don't care what I'm wearing I can't really say that what I wear is any better but at least it's better than like 90% of like what most people wear today also I agree with that like Pinterest Pinterest is all about it's all about taunting how you look best thing Pinterest is not all about looking good it's all about showing off how much money you have
excellent and fair critique.
only miss is the tattoo advice. many get these tattoos before they know who they are and which life path that they want. It's easy to toss an offensive t-shirt, however your face tat is almost always be a regret that is nearly impossible to shake.
Where’s the sweatshirt you’re wearing from? It’s really nice
Thanks! It’s from weekday!
I love crocks - I used to own a pair that lasted for a long time and they were super comfortable too.
Finally someone called out Ashley Weston's BS advice!
🙌
Khaki cargo pants/shorts are the new fanny pack. Lots of off-duty soldiers and law enforcement wear them, so they are much more socially acceptable than most of these fashion channels write off.
Your zip up hoodie looks like a good quality piece. Where did you get that from?
It’s from weekday, it’s lovely! I talked about it in my spring outfits video if you want more info
This woman is truly horrifying. I’m doing the exact opposite of what she suggests.
Same 🤣
You've nailed it whit that haircut, nice one! ❤ And those creators are indeed amongst the worst 😂
Thanks mate!
wearing baggy top with skinny jean does not suit everybody, as a matter of fact I would think it's a completely no no and mis match. I would definately do baggy top and baggy pants together.
my favorite thing is that she's a fashion stylist and all the people I've seen that she's done style for look awful.
The moral of the story is that these 'rules' are really guidelines. At the end of the day, you decide what suits your style. I've seen graphic tees look really good on older guys, but also sometimes quite lame. I'd say tank tops might be good on younger guys, mostly because as you grow older, most guys get a bit more chubby. I agree with the point about graphic socks - they look bad.
Well said 👏
definitely agree with you, those socks look funny though i have to agree with her on graphic tees
Fair play 👍
I think sometimes these "never wear" videos are useful less as instruction manuals (even if they seem to be advertised as such) and more as tools to see what I may agree with or disagree with in an effort to better understand my own taste for my own body. Though frankly, I don't think there are many fashion or clothing videos that I 100% agree with - even on this channel.
That’s a great way of looking at it. Totally understandable, I sometimes disagree with myself especially after a few months haha.
This is hilarious. Always thought that girl from Men’s Fashioner was a bit sexist lol
It does come across that way sometimes!
When you are a musician non of this applies lol
I'm on that salt of the earth lavender and vanilla. Natural deodorants really save white tops from the dreaded yellow pit stains.
Yeah for sure! I need to try that one, I’ve had mine for ages it lasts so long!
When it comes to fashion i follow some very simple rules. Make sure it fits and is comfortable. Avoid labels, paying for expensive fashion brands only to give the brand free advertising has never made any sense. Avoid mismatching colours or cuts. Wear the right clothes and footwear in the right season.
Love it, this is all you need 👍
Those top right espadrilles i think are fire tbh. I just dont understand why they are being compared to crocs such a dif style. Wouldnt work with same outfits
The small yelling yt guy looks like an average bus driver in cancun
My argument to those channels is “STAY ON YOUR LANE” if you are not in to the street style don’t judge it with your old, conservative, wanna look executive eyes! AND on top of that… they are talking to their audience very bad! When you on the other hand, you are making suggestions and you are giving ppl alternatives!
I wanna hang out with you and discuss our points on fashion … not them! 😂
I am not good with white socks at all. They may last on your foot in good condition for maybe a few hours and then you would need to change.