What do you think? Is Spotify (and other music streaming services) a step in the right direction or do these trade offs make it not as worthwhile? The business model is clearly unsustainable. What solutions do you suggest to fix the problems created by streaming services?
SoundCloud has a different model - they focus on community and allow to comment directly to the artists about the songs they hear! And they are more fair! 😊
1/2 cent per download to the artist 😅 and how you supposed to feel requesting f the police followed by liberty car insurance that answers your questions
Bro i have a playlist of every song ive ever liked (excluding songs made by a disgusting pedo who made songs about the victims experiences) its over 115+ hours long ☠️
Yea, I listen to my own playlists 90% of the time. Mix in a 4-5% for og albums from the artists, about 5% for automatic spotify playlists (mainly discover weekly), and 0-1% for playlists of others.
You would be surprised at how many more people are still listening to full albums as I’ve seen a lot of people in different music circles talk about albums just like people in the past have done. Yes the overwhelming population of our world doesn’t listen to albums but there are still a lot of us who do and it’s because we want to experience music to its fullest and the way the artists and bands want us to hear it. For us there is nothing better than experiencing an album from front to back especially if it’s fantastic and an album we’ve been coming back to for years. We definitely are still in the minority but it is slowly growing again at least in the underground where albums are appreciated much more. A lot of people I come into contact with that only listen to single songs and playlists are usually only listening to big name bands and artists that are always playing on radio stations and on popular Spotify playlists. It’s not everyone but it is a really big number and I’ve personally seen a lot of the people I know do this and it really frustrates me that they don’t want to go past that.
@shadowsoul1695 agreed. I listended to the whole Clancy album like...an hour ago??? I forgot, and now im watching a video about Twenty One Pilots lore (I like albums with lore/story/plot because it's really creative and brings more points into the album BEING an album and not just a whole bunch of singles)
@@GravityDontMeanTooMuchTooMe That’s really great, Twenty One Pilots is one of my favorite bands and “Clancy” is one of my favorite albums of the year! They really do go against the whole single craze we’ve been in as they put so much thought and effort into their albums through the different concepts, the lore and the diversity of the music they’re playing. They are kind of an anti-playlist type band even though you can easily hear a lot of their songs on their own and that’s the genius of them!
Personally, where I live, metal bands organize concerts almost every month, and tickets cost around 5$, as well as not having their music on streaming services, they only do music just for the fun
A great thing about metal is the merch culture. When a band give a concerts, they always have a merch table where they sell tshirts, patches, CDs and vinyls. I think thats the reason metal concerts doesnt cost absurd amount of money. Later this month i'll be seeing a black metal band and the ticket is only 8 euros. And when getting there I'll head to the merch table and get a CD (~10 or 15euros) and a shirt (~20 or 25euros). So without counting their share on the ticket they get like 30 bucks just from me. And most other metalheads are doing this
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten into a band because Spotify recommended. I always get into them on my own by listening to what my favorite bands have to say about other bands, what my friends recommend, what I stumble upon on the internet, and just by seeking them out on my own. I have begun collecting CD’s and vinyls because of how much more valuable they are to me as works of art. And I want to have actual physical media to support my favorite artists. If internet goes down or my phone is dead, I can pop in a disc or a vinyl and listen that way. But if I delete Spotify, I lose a lot of ability to actually LISTEN to music. So much of my current music time relies on Spotify and Bluetooth cause of my job being construction. I can’t use wired headphones while I’m trying to put metal together. I can’t be changing out cds in a Walkman while I’m carrying my tools bags all day.
Honestly, I've had the opposite experience. I've discovered some of my favorite bands and genres through just random chance of what spotify recommends me.
@@KatanaBlade07 I will never understand why people say Spotify's algo sucks. I have found most of my favorite bands through Spotify radios, recommended lists, etc. I used to let my playlists end and listen to what Spotify was recommending me through said playlists, and I loved that experience. Spotify is not without it's issues, especially in the last 5 years or so they've definitely pissed me off. But like? I guess I don't use "shuffle play" and never have because I like curating specific playlists that play as such, just like I like listening to albums in their correct order.
@@devilxcity yeah, often my strategy for looking for new music is to hit the end of a playlist I have that has a certain vibe im looking for and then skip to the recommended section. Once I find a song I like, I'll check the band's top five, and then if I like those then I'll move on to just blowing through their whole discography.
One thing I liked about the old Spotify was going directly to the song I wanted to hear. That happened even with the free version. I don't mind the ads, but going directly to the song I wanted wasn't free anymore: you have to pay for the feature
@@Vol3X1yes but most people listen to it on the go, while travelling or exercising. You can’t expect people to carry a laptop around everywhere just to listen to music
I tried to use the spotify mobile app to listen to an album exactly once. Nothing could've prepared me for the abundance of ads, the inability to reorder songs, and having a limited number of skips (I think? It's been a while). TH-cam playlists aren't perfect, but at least they aren't intentionally designed badly to make you pay for basic features / switch to the desktop app.
Exactly. I was trying to listen to Yeah Glo! On my phone on the bus once. (It was labeled as a single,so it was surely just one song?) Well my tiny brained self clicked it and got a whole playlist that I had to skip through to get to the song. couldn't even replay it.
As someone who doesn’t pay for Premium, I cannot begin to explain how annoying it is having to sit through 4-5 ads between songs. It’s getting to the point where it’s not a music streaming platform anymore, but an ad streaming platform
@@IntimateAlienbecause these are the companies that can solo dominate and rule like a monopoly if u give money noaways usage rate reduced so spotity getting humble
Man, this is actually surprising. The fact that they're making us pay for something as basic as LITERALLY LISTENING TO THE SONG WE WANT TO LISTEN... Is so abusive. And here I thought there wasn't a company more adamant than TH-cam on abusing their free users until they decide to give them money.
11:40 that point you made about Spotify making it hard for smaller creators is so true. Nowadays when I find a new song or an artist that is not super popular it feels like a hidden gem and very rare.
??? I find people all the time, play an album or a short playlist you like and just let it keep playing till it starts shuffling in new songs, you'll find plenty. Spotify is really good at digging up and finding new music, people just dont have the attention span to stick in one place and explore it for very long before jumping to a new playlist, station, artist, etc.
@@jacobanderson4614You're so right. I constantly challenge the algorithm. I love discovering new artistes and bands. I reject the notion of following the Zeitgeist. My Spotify Wrapped will tell you...I'm an explorer
Algorithms are ruining the world, no doubt about that. But I wonder if another issue is that the whole music scene is just over-saturated: there's so *many* people now trying to make a living out of this and unlike the old days, they're not being filtered through highly picky record labels. People just have so much choice now its overwhelming.
There's always been a lot of competition in the music space. The only thing that has changed is that you now see everyone who is competing. Before social media artists would remain playing to their niche, not being known by the mainstream but still turning a profit, and that hasn't changed, the scene is no more saturated than it was before.
@@xmanu_ Indeed - there's been various psychological studies on this. When you give people too much choice, they "freeze", and end up choosing nothing.
2:30 growing up before spotify, we had radio. Thats the very same thing as this, just without the option for input except for calling the station and ask for a song. But this "When have you last time listened to a whole album start to finish" part, its weird. Hardly ever did that with cds either. Even then i skipped or used repeat. Yet 95% of music was consumed with the kitchen or car radio anyway.
Same I have one huge playlist of around 750 songs. I’m very proud of myself because I think I messed up the Spotify algorithm to the point that it doesn’t have anything new to recommend me anymore, it just presents those 750 songs in different playlists lol
I mostly listen to albums start to finish. I admire albums that have a good concept and atmosphere. Also I hardly use algorithm playlists, just listen to what I like and mostly find new bands through word of mouth
Me too! It’s somewhat sad to see that in general, younger generations do not listen to albums start to finish in order anymore. They are often missing out on an entire story the artist is trying to create! Wow, I feel like an old boomer…
@@RaisedMedia I dont wanna be mean because I like your video in general, but you do know that spotify has and reccomends artist focused playlists? and you never really give a solution to how else spotify is supposed to monetize songs I would like to know so people have something to work towards instead of just "going back to the old days" because most working people dont have to means to buy records, go back to physical or individually pay for all thr songs you want to own. I was kind of disappointed this whole video was just pointing out bad things and not giving a solution as to how to improve spotify. and some old the things you say apply to other music platforms too, like being unprofitable. but dont take this as a I hate comment I genuinely like the video and think it's good, I just want some clarity on what to do next
I think it'll go back to rampant piracy. On a purely practical level, to have a physical copy of all the music I listen to, I'd have a collection that would cost six figures and fill my apartment from floor to ceiling.
who knows, but there is definitely much better options these days for doing so. things like lidarr that make it easier to download music, or software that cleans up your music library instead of having to do it manually. cloud storage is just the norm now or you have things like syncthing that can keep your music in sync across devices for free. theres self hosted music servers like navidrome or subsonic, and its easier than ever to set them up on an online vps or a raspberry pi at home
🎉 the good ole days selling mix tapes out my locker 1987.i sold my CDs in the 90s out gym bags radio play on the jam it or slam it radio talent show Atlanta Ludacris was the host i went gold 96 and 98 my career ended with iTunes and the iPod you had to be signed on a major label to use iTunes download to the iPod game over
I uninstalled Spotify for this exact reason.I feel I shouldn't have to rely on Premium for listening to whatever I want to listen to.I also uninstalled because this year they are relying on AI for their artwork and it doesn't look good.I wish they would go back to letting people pick a song for free.
First of all, there would be no music industry today if it wasn't for Spotify and similar services(TH-cam music, Apple Music, etc). I understand that Spotify is an easy target to attack and that it's incredibly easy to diminish the effects of piracy but it's very easy to forget that piracy nearly killed the music industry. To be more precise, the music industry nearly killed itself, piracy was merely the catalyst. It was dumb decisions and horrible trends that the music industry kept pushing that nearly killed it, but as with Spotify, piracy has always been an easy target to blame all your ills on. Things got so bad that the music industry as a whole, and by that I mean the mainstream music of course not the fringes, nearly went bankrupt. Yes, it was that bad! It's easy to forget that Spotify was actually the outcome of the music industry leaders sitting together and looking for a way to save their industry. Yes, Spotify is a private company and all that, but the ability to have access to all the music out there on a single platform was very much a decision made by the industry, not Spotify themselves. The music industry made this decision because they were desperate and the situation for the music industry is still bad not because of Spotify but because those who still lead the music industry simply refused to learn from their past mistakes and instead insist on repeating them. Second of all, Spotify doesn't pay a fixed sum per stream like your 0.004 cents figure. What Spotify actually does is look at their entire monthly revenue, keep 20% of it for themselves to cover overhead costs and whatnot and give the rest of it(80%) to the owners of the music streamed on their platform based on the amount of streams each music owner's relative piece of the overall pie. So if say Dr. Dre would have had 20% of Spotify's streams in a given month and lets also say he owns 100% of his own music, than Dr. Dre would have received 20% of Spotify's 80% of their revenues for that month. You can attempt to calculate how much this boils down to all you like, but this isn't a fixed price like your 0.004 cents figure but rather changes month to month based on the overall revenues of said month. Remember that most of Spotify's income comes from subscriptions of their customers. These subscriptions have 0 correlation with the amount of streams on their platform, as 1 user can only open their app once per month and only listen to a couple of songs while another user can be on the app 24/7 constantly streaming music. Third of all the issue of music rights holders is indeed a very significant one, but it has nothing to do with Spotify. It has everything to do with the music industry itself and was actually 1 of the main reason the music industry nearly died. Of course the people in charge of the music industry benefited from this situation so they refused to change it in a significant enough way which means that artists now are still suffering from the same issues they did in the past. So why are you blaming Spotify for not paying the artists themselves but the rights holders when they have no say in the matter at all and that the people who do somehow escaped your criticism? Similarly your rant about music creativity is not at all Spotify's fault but again the music industry's. In fact Spotify is the solution to this maddening issue as us listeners can find a wide variety of music on Spotify, not just the same old regurgitated garbage that the music industry insists on feeding us over and over again as 'mainstream music'. Lastly, yes Spotify is a glorified ad company, it's not a secret or anything. In fact a lot of tech companies are mostly glorified ad companies, chiefly among them Google itself who makes the vast majority of their revenues from ads on their various platforms. Why do the creators of Spotify need to be musicians or from the music industry? Spotify is merely a platform to put music onto and listen to said music. Why are you attributing all the music industry's ills on Spotify instead of well, the music industry itself? And it's not like Spotify is in a vacuum or anything, the other services mentioned above do the exact same thing, heck regular TH-cam was perhaps the biggest catalyst of this, only in TH-cam's case it was even worst as the artists received nothing from random channels various artists' music on their channels without permission or anything. These days most artists, or at least record labels, have TH-cam channels of their own to earn something from this platform but this is a relatively new development. Moreover the direction the music industry itself is heading into isn't in a vacuum either, this is the direction the entire world is headed towards. You're trying to isolate wide issues and reduce them to just Spotify and the music industry which is simply disingenuous. P.S nobody forces you to use Spotify's various play lists and whatnot. You can still listen in the same old fashioned way of searching for a specific band, going to their discography, picking an album and listen to it. Nobody is stopping you from doing that other than you...
Preach, you are even more critical and comprehensive in actually tackling the issues. Im glad there are people like you other than this bs youtuber just throwing stones on spotify like as if the spotify is the source of all the problems and issues within the music industry.
Great comment, the video was genuinely annoying me at this point and the fact I had to scroll soooo far to find someone that wasn’t just agreeing with him almost made me right this comment myself, but I’m glad you did because I couldn’t have said it as well.
This is one of the best easy-to-understand explanations of why Spotify is ruining music, doesn’t have a future AND isn’t profitable for people who don’t know a thing about music and tech. Just missed a few mentions: Bandcamp, Indie labels/stores, they need our support.
I would switch but how would my playlists carry over? I mean I really just listen too one playlists with about 100 songs on it, but how? also what streaming service should I switch too?
@@technopancake85i used the app songshift to switch from spotify to apple music. i chose apple music bc 1. my sister already had apple music so i just joined her family plan to get it for free lol and 2. i can have local files on my phone much much easier and better integrated, so i can have songs in my library and playlists that i downloaded from youtube or something. i hope this was helpful!
I don't know if I readed it wrong lol, but that sentence doesn't make any sense (that spotify "isn't profitable for people who don't know a thing about music"). About the rest, I don't think it's Spotify's fault... they aren't holding a gun to the artists so they publish there. Remember that before "Spotify killed music" as you said, the Industry was suffering massives losses because of piracy. If it wasn't for streaming services, who knows what would've been of music with how easy is to pirate a song.
@@technopancake85 you maintain your own music library on your laptop. then transfer to your phone sd card. is it a pain? yeah but its worth it. you then play it with a music app. i use one called Music Player. it has ads when i open it but beyond that there's no more ads. youll have to rebuild your playlists manually.
here is the thing... there is no "right" way to listen to music, and things change. this is just a new way that you need to get used to. Better yet... you CAN lisent to whole albuns, just chose that option it's YOUR choice
Exactly!! I don’t get what the fuss is all about. I gladly and happily pay for premium, small price to pay to listen to whatever whoever whenever WHEREVERyou want!!!
Thats why i download the songs i like, an hour ago i found my password to get back into my account and half an hour later i feel like deleting it off my phone.
Yes, I just download songs and use foobar or something to make playlists. Its workes for me the last 4 years and I dont think I would have it any other way
i’ve always hated that spotify doesn’t even let me listen to what i want to listen to. it’s literally adding songs to my playlist, and i only get SIX SKIPS PER HOUR!! SIX! it’s so dumb, let me listen to what i want to please.
as a musician, good. you need to pay for your music. go download music from bandcamp or amazon and maintain a library on an sd card. get off this platform. the whole premise of this video is how music has been de-valued. get a clue.
You know how suck ass this company is, you've already seen it. Then don't give them any more money. Just buy/download the songs you want and use an offline music player for that.
Honestly, I really never used to listen specifically to one artist, until I got a record player. Getting something like a record/record player has really made me look at music in a whole new light. It’s helped me really appreciate specific artists for their talent. Ofc I’m not saying everyone should start listening to only cd/record players and things like that. But it really does create an entirely different kind of music.
I can confirm. never really stuck with ONE artist and one artists only,and they were more modern ones. but when I got my record player and my grandma gave me some recordszi finally truly appreciated the talent of some of these long gone artists from the 70's,80's and probably some late 60's too.
This is why I love soundcloud so much. I listen to artists with less than 100 streams on their tracks and it feels great to find truly hidden gems like that
Another (huge) reason concerts are so expensive now, is the production level. The tech is so advanced nowadays with video walls, lights, lasers, automation, pyro... taylor swift for example had 56 semi trucks of gear (not even including the main structure of the stage) plus the labor of 100+ touring crew, 100s of local crew, and everyone else in between.
I buy CDs because I cannot stand Spotify. They keep adding things and bullshit but then they remove things from the free plan. Also, not having Hi-Fi (lossless) or dolby Atmos quality makes it worse with the years and experience they have, I love listening to great quality music. Another thing that I'm mad at is literally the free plan on phone, you cannot do ANYTHING. I'd love it if they do like Spotify on computer. It has ads, you cannot download songs but at least you can CHOOSE the music you want. Also they keep updating the app with new features only x regions can use. and I can keep listing my complains.
As with every music catalog, Spotify has same problems, people upload a ton of crap there. And nobody filters results. What it ends up is simply load of crap. And "kings of crap" are sitting at the top of this "pyramid of crap". They cannot even allow to have their sound files stored at 96 kHz quality because there is way too many. If the flow of information is not being moderated by anyone, it becomes a Brown Noise. Spotify is a Noise compactor, trash can garbage collector.
One thing I liked about the old Spotify was going directly to the song I wanted. That happened even with the free version. I don't mind the ads, but going directly to the song I wanted wasn't free anymore: you have to pay for that feature!
@@nejcrebolj2013theyre a brokie because spotify limits all the features to premium, and is an app thats basically useless without premium? and dont even call me a broke aswell, ive had spotify premium for a year
This is the sole reason why I collect CD's as a 17 year old, as you can appreciate the album in more ways than one. First of all, taking a CD (or a vinyl perhaps), seeing the artwork on the album cover, taking a look at the tracks, and then playing it through a player psychologically feels better than playing it digitally. Secondly, CD's and Vinyl have DRASTICALLY better audio quality even to this day. Digital music is horrible if you compare the two. Last but not least, it connects you with the artist/band itself. You learn to appreciate the album as a whole, and the music as a result. Obviously, paying for albums can discourage a lot of people, but once I learned and experienced the benefits, I really got hooked. Another great thing about physical releases, is that sometimes bonus tracks(songs) are included, which you can't find on Spotify.
Loving the video so far but how did you get the 9$ ticket price adjusted to today’s money at the start? Quick inflation tool told me it would be closer to $39 No roasting just curious
This sounds like the complete opposite of me: -Listens music in TH-cam. -Has 2 well defined favorite artists of which he hears more songs of. -Often listens to the songs of an album, all behind each other, in the order they were placed. -Doesn't get to know songs from the algorithm, but rather from an specific artist, heard in radio or heard somewhere else. -If he listens to a playlist, it is either one made by him, or one TH-cam automatically makes with songs he has heard. -Loves the traditional structure of songs with unique verses and bridges instead of the repeating of the chorus. Yup, that's me
I'm half way through this video, you make interesting points. I have tried to go to concerts as much as possible and though I love an artist, realise I don't know the words as much as I used to. So I now try and listen to physical albums. To help this, I often get (usually second hand) Cds and Vinyls of my favourite artists as this way I can own the music and listen to the full album. I recognise second hand isn't supporting the artist that much but some of the new prices is crazy, I guess because they're not making as much bc ppl are less likely to buy them. I do but merch where I can instead but second hand is often more environmentally friendly. I've also started to get DVDs of films/shows I really enjoy because at any point the streaming services could remove or go all together and physical media prices will sky rocket. I hate materialism but sometimes it's better to go back to basics
The kpop industry really knows what they're doing then; they add other inclusions in with their CDs so that people will buy the physical copies of their albums, thus making them more money. Even though almost all kpop artists are under big companies and may not be payed as much for their album sales, they still have the right idea.
Same bro it was kesha and rihanna. But i like sir mix alot so I just assumed it was bc i listened to “i like big butts” a few days ago but nope its just bc its trending rn 😅
I'm really glad that metal is still having its own scene basically. The songs have 3-4 minutes long intros, outro is long af, the song is atleast 5 minutes long, etc. Tool, or Dream Theater for example, Prog Metal, its a perfect example.
@@snickerdoodledragon heyy, I'm kinda new myself and my absolute favorite as a new-ish metal fan is obviously metallica. Other stuff would be rob zombie (especially dragula), disturbed, linkin park (meteora album), avenged sevenfold, alcest, a few iron maiden and a few katatonia songs. The safest way to get into metal is probably those traditional heavy metal bands (iron maiden, judas priest, metallica, megadeth). Or thrash like slayer and anthrax. I don't really listen to these bands but I've seen people mentioned these bands a lot (gojira, dream theater, opeth, rammstein) what else? Sepultura? Idk if it's newbie friendly. Idk lol I don't listen to metal in a linear way. I just jump from one genre to another.
@@marloelefant7500 yea the reason I don’t use yt music is because they are gonna have ads every five seconds I assume and it would play songs randomly probably so I just use playlists on TH-cam
@@Channelblueajpw1in my opinion I'd much rather have a 5 second skipable add before every song then to have to listen to 3 30 second long adds ever 5 songs
I just collect CDs and make playlists in folders that are playable on my phone and car. I only collect the things I know and love, and will step out of my comfort zone at the suggestion of a friend in order to expand my lists. Many times I will check out a band/artist on TH-cam and if I like them enough, I'll buy their CD/CDs. And since 2018, this is actually served me much better than streaming. CDs are cheap enough to obtain in massive quantities and all of my favorite titles are available. With that, I get the original version after loading them into my phone, original artwork and playlists are interchangeable and easy to delete or add to them.
This video is a reminder to keep using my 2008 iPod touch 2nd generation with my music on it. No wifi, no ads, just music the way it SHOULD be. "Only I can pause my music" (Dankpods). I know I sound old saying this, but it is true. Big companies are pushing more ads and Spyware and take more from artists. So instead of letting myself fall in line with modern enshitttificatioon, I went back to the days of the iPod. No matter how much I hate iphonesm I will always cherish my iPod for THESE reasons. Big companies suck.
I think music being so accessible is insane, when you think about how it was before. Songs being free to listen to is now the norm, which means only the biggest artists can live from only the revenue of concerts/streaming services. Its hard to say if this is better overall, its great for the consumers perspective, at least for now, but it looks grim for creators, as wanting to make a living is basically impossible. I dont think streaming services stopping would fix anything though, the internet existing spelled the end of paid songs because of piracy.
The value is in being able to buy an album and press play and listen all the way through without having to skip "filler" tracks. Whoever can accomplish that, regardless of genre, usually will be successful eventually.
Like all of us in the 60-80s we all purchased LPs. Apart from a hand full of artists, the albums usually contained the single that made you purchase in the first place and probably already owned. Followed a couple of good tracks, the rest were just fillers, or crap as we all called it. Then (for me) came iTunes. At last, I could (in those days) buy just the tracks I liked rather than an album with just 30% of good tracks. A much better way to buy music. It also made the artist record better tracks.
Spotify isn't replacing CDs, Casets and vynil, its replacing radio and i think it and its users need to understand that. Now it needs to start thinking about how it can uplift local artists like local stations do
Something I like about Spotify is how easy it makes it to discover new artists, I view myself as a collector, when I hear a song I like, I add it to a playlist so that I can hear it again (I have a lot of playlists, it’s almost a problem) if I REALLY like the song and I want more, I will check the artist, sometimes I will listen to their entire discography, sometimes just one of their albums, sometimes a playlist with just that artist on it, then I add what I like to my playlists or create a new playlist for them that I throw some other music that I already listen to on as well that goes with that artist’s vibe. I have so many playlists that is a bunch of music from 4 or so artists that fit into the same category in my mind with a few extra songs here and there. As a result I mainly listen to playlists I made, and really listen to one’s Spotify formulated unless I want to switch it up or hear something new. I don’t view songs or artists as disposable, that’s part of the reason I have so many playlists, even if I don’t listen to a playlist that often anymore, there was a point where I listened to it on the daily and I can’t just erase that (I know for a fact that if it was the 80’s rn I would have an entire wall of mixtapes (album tapes too but SO MANY MIX TAPES). I might start listening on other platforms tho, I did not realize how little the artists actually get paid
When I listen to new music, I usually listen to it through the original album, I’ve gone through every single one of Kanyes albums 1 by 1 listening to the whole album and discovering songs that way instead of just shuffling a pre-made playlist of his songs, did the same with OutKast too.
"Think twice before renewing spotify premium because you could be contributing to the downfall of music" Is an downright insane person statement 😭 Nothing could ever possibly "kill" music itself, it's been around since the beginning of like everything basically and it will be around until the world ends. Even if something was able to "kill" music it wouldn't be spotify bro
It’s slightly hyperbolic but the point of the video is that the way we relate to music and music artists is changing and the could lead to more soulless songs that are being encouraged by algorithms.
the solution to this is to stop caring about mainstream shit and listen to what YOU like instead of what's trendy. guarantee you if you just find your kind of music literally nothing that happens in the mainstream will matter to you
I think this is mainly due to the fast consumption model the internet has embraced in last years and not because the 'streaming' services specifically. Like, with the short media model established by companies like TikTok, TH-cam (Google), Instagram (Meta), for example. People now tend to get bored very fast with anything longer than 30s, I think that's the real factor that contributed to the fall of the Music and Movie industries nowadays.
i do have spotify premium, mostly to listen offline without ads, but when at home i make full use of my vinyl, cassette and cd collection, they do still mean a lot to me but i’m not going to block out streaming, it’s still a good option to support artists if you do both
I have Apple music and several iPods that I restore and modify. I listen to whole albums, or just shuffle my library, I rarely listen to a playlist that I didn't make myself. I also buy CDs for my favorite artists, to have something tangible and collectable.
I can only speak for myself, but I only listen to songs and artists that I choose to on Spotify. I don’t use the Spotify algorithm to find new music, I look up the type of music I want and pick a name I like until I find a band/artist that I like. I only listen to playlists that I put together myself and only ever do the typical shuffle, not smart shuffle. I listen to full albums on occasion. A lot of these problems are not with Spotify, but with the audience of the music. A general audience wants the most generic music that gets set out in front of them by the radio or the algorithm. These people don’t go out and look for music because they want to, they get it fed to them by an algorithm that favors slop over actual, well made music.
Now that I think about it, I only ever choose what albums I wanna listen to at a given instance. I rarely enjoy playing my liked playlist on shuffle. It just feels like im listening to a random “gaming” or “get hyped” TH-cam playlist
I don't know about y'all, but I use Spotify for my own playlists that I make. I also listen to full albums pretty often, and collect vinyls. And is it that big of an issue that the already super rich big artists arent even richer?
i think spotify not paying their artists is only a big issue when it comes to small artists. taylor swift doesn't need to worry about her spotify revenue, she makes enough from breathing. but where in the past a small artist would've made something from a cd sale, there's higher potential they make nothing at all.
@@emoscotchtape but that's a false equivalency. Would so many small artists really get a chance to record an album in the "good old days" and have it published for people to buy it? This is my main problem with the entire criticism. People act as if anybody that wanted to become a musician could just randomly record an albom pre-Spotify and make loads of money.
I am big into music, i use Spotify daily as well as owning many physical records. While i much prefer physical music, as it truly sounds better through vinyl than bluetooth streaming, spotify makes it very easy to find new artists in my opinion. I don’t listen to the ai made playlists much, and mostly listen to my own made playlists however i have found some new smaller artists through those playlists!
Yea same, I’ll go through the artist recommendations on the bottom of artists I already like and just keep going through them, finding smaller artists with similar style and underrated talent
I don’t use Spotify this way. I use it just like how I play real albums. It’s all up to the user how they digest the content they’re fed. I’m glad you addressed this though, as I’m sure not a lot of people, especially younger listeners, realized what they are losing with how they listen to music now. I like Spotify and will continue to use the service, because I am already aware of the issue, and have chosen to listen in a more personal way.
I think people who consume music the way you described and the way Spotify wants them to, used to listen to 'the radio'. They usually have little intrest in music, they just enjoy the backgraund noise. Some of them don't even notce the ads...
Songs with long building intros will often end up kicked to the curb on an out and about playlist, and stuff with big dynamic range will get drowned out by car and city noise unless played ear splittingly loud, yet with an armchair and a good stereo or headphones, these songs are the musical foreplay.
Is it tho? I kinda feel like there is no key for a song going viral on TikTok apart from having a clipable 20 seconds. Spotify is kinda forcing artists into mood boxes and making song structures become even more rigid.
@@EvHocks I mean, you said it yourself "going viral on tiktok" why would spotify be the one to blame? like, if u want a culprit, it's us, as consumers making viral boring and uninspired songs just because of those 20 cool seconds The mood-boxes thing, i get it, and yeah, that's kidna meh, but again, Spitify isn't the only one who does that, YT Music does it too... So... Spotify is just one of the many plataforms that forces artist into a more rigid structure
You are not contributing to artists by doing that as well. At least spotify gives them some spare change, unlike having their work downloaded for free. If it makes you support those artists later by buying their merch and CDs or going to their concert, then that's another thing. I'm not against piracy in any shape or form, tough. There was a guy that said "You should not be mad that your work is pirated, you should be mad if people don't even want to pirate your work"
@@phrogtesem9410and thats why you always make sure to find the original artisr. i refuse to watch music videos or lyric videos of any kind that are just hopping onto other artists for money
@@phrogtesem9410does he have to contribute?its not like its illiegal to download songs in a file its america after all their is no law against it so why does that matter to this person
It's about culture in my opinion. Look at all the other mediums in the entertainment industry that all share the same problem but there's great original works inside the cluster of generic crap.
I agree. Original works are probably better than ever right now but Spotify ironically doesn’t let those tracks get fed to enough listers as their entire business model (and algorithm) favours major artists. It’s a tricky problem to solve. Popular artists are popular because well, they are popular…but many small artists, despite having equally good music, can’t beat the feedback loop Spotify has (arguably) unintentionally created.
@@RaisedMediathere's too many artists and songs that sound exacly the same. Music is literally being treated like those horror movies that always include the creepy little girl or action movies that's always about a guy coming out from retirement that kills everyone.
@@RaisedMedia I mean i don't think you can escape the favoritism, bigger artists will always get pushed more either through radio or friend recommendations so i wouldn't blame the algorithms that much here. Also your mentioned connection with the artists, i don't believe it suffers majorly in a way that people don't want to connect, just that now people might have higher standards for their favorite artists because there's so many to choose from. I know it took me a couple of years on spotify to discover my favorite band and i've supported them through buying merch. Speaking of merch, i think the shift of how artists now get paid is only natural with the growing costs of living. I still have bought a tee from a band with a 100k monthly but i don't feel like spending that much on other artists because of my other needs. If there were no streaming services more regular people, in my personal opinion, wouldn't spend much on music because they have other things they'd rather spend their money on. So the way artists now primarily get payed shifted from cd's cassettes and vinyls to concerts and merch, which in a way is fineee. Sure it does suck now that seeing your favorite artist is more difficult and expensive but that's the price you're paying for more easily accessible music. Which all doesn't mean i don't believe artists should be payed more, i'm just saying that this was probably how the things were going to evolve given the circumstances anyway. Last point i'd like to address is originality. I think if you want your music to be more original just.. listen to pop or rap less ? the genres are so huge, they're bound to have a million copy cats. Even metal (which together with rock are my primary genres, but i do listen to whatever sounds good) can suffer from this issue at times with few bands choosing to go more generic routes however it's a lot less prevalent and songs getting shorter isn't something i noticed in said genre, Tesseract's newest album has an 11min song that i absolutely love and always listen start to finish. Anyway that concludes this wall of text, feel free to disagree with any of my points i just told it how i see it from my point of view. Also quality video, just maybe a tad bit too long, cheers!
Thanks for contributing your opinions! I think the issue is that Spotify is without a doubt an unsustainable business model. Between Major labels and the US government both forcing renegotiations of streaming pay, Spotify is in a tough spot. They either need to charge a heck of a lot more to pass on higher expenses or figure out another solution. It seems they are pursuing advertising and promotion tools as their revenue driver but these are resulting in some negative impacts on the industry and bias on the platform. Discovery mode and their other promotions tools are becoming legitimately a form of Payola. It’s really hard for small artists to make enough money to live on. Even if they have dedicated fans such as yourself, the main way these artists make money is through touring (and merch sales from that) but often these artists struggle to fill venues and the competition for venues has never been higher. Competition and access to more quality music is a good thing but it’s unlikely that this current arrangement between artists, streaming services and their customers will remain.
@@RaisedMedia true that, the prices of movie streaming services have been sky rocketing I'm surprised Spotify is still relatively inexpensive, at least here.
Like Twenty one Pilots said on their song Lane Boy: "There's a few songs on this record that feel common I'm in constant confrontation with what I want and what is poppin' In the industry, it seems to me That singles on the radio are currency My creativity's only free when I'm playin' shows"
Yeah, I don't really understand how people can simultaneously: - demand free access to music (not paying for premium, but wanting access to Spotify's music) - complain about getting ads between songs - complain about Spotify not paying enough to the artists Like... bitch, you are not willing to pay for music. Don't be a hypocrite and say that you're fighting against Spotify by pIrAtInG music... Unless you support your favorite artists through other means, you're actually screwing over not just Spotify, but the artists too. Paying a little for a listen will still give the artist more income than simply pirating their songs.
I just hate Spotify because it doesn't let me play my music OFF OF SHUFFLE, BUT BACK IN 2019 I COULD CHOOSE IF I WANTED IT ON SHUFFLE OR NOT. NOW I HAVE TO PAY PREMIUM IN ORDER TO BLOODY LISTEN TO THE SONGS I WANT, I had no idea it was worse
Honestly I don't know how this is different than before. When I was young, I watched TV and TV decided what were the big artists, so their face was showed to me against my will. Now it's the same when I open Spotify. Honestly it's just a matter of recognizing it's not entirely tailored from your tastes, But it's a lot Biased on artists budget, so you can safely ignore the bigger artists and go for the personal ones... I discovered a lot of unknown music in Spotify But still listen to a lot of personal favorites and buy a lot of physical media.
That’s why I love buying physical media, Vinyl and CDs. I feel like I am ACTUALLY supporting the music artists I like. Also, I don’t have to stand the AWFUL lossy compression that just ruins the music. Come on, Spotify, time to get out of the pre-historical times. CDs, 1980’s TECH literally sounds better than you.
The only thing that would "suck" is having to rely on local radio stations hoping to hear your favorite songs. With streaming in this case Spotify, it's a no brainer to not subscribe. I honestly would have to hunt elsewhere for songs I don't know, or want to hear from movies, tictok and the like. Nearly all of my new discoveries are from TV social media. Fortunately Spotify makes it easy with likely the largest library of music. Not only does this mean I find less popular songs, but I often like selections from independent artists that would otherwise go unnoticed. I prefer to make my own lists, occasionally skipping through the pre made lists and hearing a song I've long forgotten about and afterwards adding to my playlists. The sub is definitely worth it for me. As for albums, we have the option to listen to the whole thing while skipping through a song we don't like and make up our minds if we may want to buy a physical copy . Doesn't get better. Bought too many LPs that have 2 songs and 7 duds. Well that's a waste of money for sure. At 25 or so $ an album! Fortunately streaming music is way more cost effective.
We're no longer living in an era where creativity can leads to beautiful stuff, Nowadays its more of like producing content to get the money rather than adding care or love. Greed, Ego and other bad elements have taken over. Companies will be bad with how much money they get
Frr, I’d rather an app be a completely paid service rather than free and lock important features. + they don’t shove their own playlists and recommendations in your face, they kinda leave you alone lol
i think a lot of people would migrate to apple music if it wasn't exclusively tied to apple. iphones are waaay more expensive in latin america, so it becomes impossible for millions and millions of people to adhere to it
I’ve recently started buying the albums i like on CD, and switched over to TH-cam music since Spotify is so far behind for the same price practically. I always listen to full albums too. I’m glad to see vinyl becoming popular again. People need to realize the value of OWNING your media.
The unfortunate thing about this, is that the cost of live shows will never go down, even if artists can somehow turn around and make more money on album or song sales. Greed will persist.
Honestly I had no idea any of this was that bad because I never use my Spotify recommendations, I don’t think Ive even tried the smart shuffle thingy once, and I rarely make and listen to my playlists. Jesus Christ I’ve been so blind to all of this 😭
As someone who is a classical music fan through-and-through, the whole "vibes playlists" thing doesn't really do anything for me. Background music has its place, sure. But when music has great sweeping melodies, powerful lyrics, or tension-building chord changes, it deserves to have all your attention payed to it at least once. Otherwise, it's just that: background noise. Interestingly, because of this, I find the classical music scene has changed very little in comparison to the pop music scene because whereas pop music constantly feels the need to keep up with the latest trends (you don't say...), classical music is rooted in the traditional and requires that same energy of the great masters of the past to be channelled into it for it to be a success. Not saying this is always the case, but its part of the reason why it has retained the same sorts of audiences.
In my opinion streaming has reduced the "lifespan" of songs. Earlier you used to permanently own songs and we relished them for many days to come. Nowadays however, we only have temporary ownership of these songs, causing people to move on and leave songs behind more quickly. Take for example one of my favorite songs- We Don't Talk Anymore. People say "oh its a NINE year old song". Yeah but like I still wanna listen to it what's weird about that. Also I'd like to add that no matter how many songs- 2 or 2000, we pay the same amount per month but such wasn't the case with say iTunes.
There not being a paywall for listening to an album whenever is honestly the best thing I've ever experienced. Though with the negatives, like not owning the music is miserable to deal with, artists making chump change SUCKS, the smart shuffle being forced is the worst, the free mobile version is abysmal. But, as a broke mf, I would hate to have to spend money on every song I want to listen to. I probably just wouldn't listen to music as much, and I likely wouldn't have found the wonderful artists I absolutely adore. I don't really listen to new music that often, so I can't really say much on that experience.
I make character playlists (playlists for my ocs) I only share them with my friends because they're filled with songs that work together to tell you about them. Most of the songs in their playlists are filled with songs I can say for sure most people don't know. Some might recognize a few artists, but they're not all very popular artists
Oh shit, let me name some reasons 1) sometimes you can only play 5-10 seconds of a song in your playlist 2) if you play a single song you can listen to 828383893499 OTHER songs! 3) you can only skip 6 songs 4) ads 5) you need premium to see lyrics 6) you can’t listen to music without WI-FI! 7) it shoved premium in your face 8) You know when you get 1 or 2 ads on a TH-camr video? You get like 4 or 6 ads at once Say more reasons why I would rather Kiss P. Diddy then download Spotify ever again
that new limited-amount-of-lyrics-per-month thing is absolutely bullsh1t, i can easily open Genius while listening to whatever's playing on my headphones... this companies are just sick for money and power and that's not really fresh news, i hate most of today's popular music and i also hate how small artists with actual potential and interesting projects are neglected by most people... everything is expensive this days too, i'm a broke teenager so i can't always afford a record/cd/cassette and even secondhand is expensive sometimes with people just labelling everything as "vintage" so the only reason why i don't leave spotify is because it helps me find good music that i haven't listened to yet based on whatever i already like (even tho i have other sources like reddit and rym now), if it wasn't for spotify's massive catalogue (and also how the app works) i wouldn't know many of the amazing records i do now since my family and friends aren't really interested in music and a big part of the internet and most radios focus on souless generic stuff that i would never be much fond of despite of the circumstances, so i guess that spotify is good for one thing, but sucks at everything else and i'm not sure if it's really worth it *(bad english)*
@@kumaahito3927 I don't have a problem with the ads and stuff because I recognize the importance of paying the artists (I always try to buy records and CDs for that reason), but we all know that they don’t really make much money from streaming platforms - that's why concerts and merch are getting more expensive. However, I do have a problem with Spotify adding features to the app that don’t really help. For example, the lyrics feature is pointless because it’s something I can easily ignore, it’s more of an inconvenience. They could be adding really cool features to the premium version that would help artists by making people more interested in paying for premium, yk? Also, you only make good money with Spotify if you're REALLY famous, so most artists get nothing from it, but they feel obligated to basically give their work away for free because that’s how the world works now, and it’s the ""only"" way people will find your art. I’m not complaining about paying artists, nor do I expect to have certain features without paying for them. I’m complaining about how the app is getting worse and how that doesn’t help artists, nor does it make people more interested in paying for music. Most teens nowadays aren’t interested in it, or they feel like it’s not valuable because of streaming services. So again, I’m not complaining about paying, I’m complaining about how Spotify and other apps have ruined the music industry and do nothing good to fix it. It feels like they just mess things up more and more, and no one benefits, not even Spotify, since they don’t really make much money from their own business. I’m not sure if I’m being clear, but no, I don’t expect to be given all features on a golden platter, I’m just upset that the only good thing about Spotify is that it makes music more accessible for those who are interested, but it has also devalued music to the point that it’s literally shaping how people create it.
@@kumaahito3927 (For some reason, my comment disappeared so I'm reposting it, but I don't know if it's gonna show up two times later so this is just a "warning") -> I don't have a problem with the ads and stuff because I recognize the importance of paying the artists (I always try to buy records and CDs for that reason), but we all know that they don’t really make much money from streaming platforms - that's why concerts and merch are getting more expensive. However, I do have a problem with Spotify adding features to the app that don’t really help. For example, the lyrics feature is pointless because it’s something I can easily ignore, it’s more of an inconvenience. They could be adding really cool features to the premium version that would help artists by making people more interested in paying for premium, yk? Also, you only make good money with Spotify if you're REALLY famous, so most artists get nothing from it, but they feel obligated to basically give their work away for free because that’s how the world works now, and it’s the ""only"" way people will find your art. I’m not complaining about paying artists, nor do I expect to have certain features without paying for them. I’m complaining about how the app is getting worse and how that doesn’t help artists, nor does it make people more interested in paying for music. Most teens nowadays aren’t interested in it, or they feel like it’s not valuable because of streaming services. So again, I’m not complaining about paying, I’m complaining about how Spotify and other apps have ruined the music industry and do nothing good to fix it. It feels like they just mess things up more and more, and no one benefits, not even Spotify, since they don’t really make much money from their own business. I’m not sure if I’m being clear, but no, I don’t expect to be given all features on a golden platter, I’m just upset that the only good thing about Spotify is that it makes music more accessible for those who are interested, but it has also devalued music to the point that it’s literally shaping how people create it.
I’m not sure it will collapse, but major changes (in pursuit of profit) are definitely on the horizon. This will almost definitely mean a worse result for musicians and us consumers.
@@user_breathlessnah they have too many users who will pay the fee because they don't have time to listen to a full album everytime the wanna listen to music.
While I pretty much agree with that you said, without Spotify, I wouldn't have found or supported Singaporean PluggnB and Korean Hyperpop artists with under a 500 streams/month from the UK. So I fully agree with at least owning control of what you listen to, I spend months crafting playlist with new songs and small artists. Taking time to force myself to manually/actively listen to new music, cause you never know when you'll find your new favourite artist.
a average eras tour ticket costs $150 or so. same with every other popular artist. the price shown is a resale. the most expensive eras tour ticket is $800, which covers hotel, merch, and basically the best seats in the arena
What do you think? Is Spotify (and other music streaming services) a step in the right direction or do these trade offs make it not as worthwhile? The business model is clearly unsustainable. What solutions do you suggest to fix the problems created by streaming services?
cut off all those extra layers within the music industry that leave the artist with the tiny portion of royalties
th-cam.com/users/shortshKaljG41VIQ - They just removed us from their platform entirely!
@@FiveHeadedCobra oh wow. That’s terrible, I’m sorry to hear that.
SoundCloud has a different model - they focus on community and allow to comment directly to the artists about the songs they hear! And they are more fair! 😊
1/2 cent per download to the artist 😅 and how you supposed to feel requesting f the police followed by liberty car insurance that answers your questions
Wait , yall don't listen to your own private playlist that has all your fav musics?
People listen to those playlists mad eby others?
I do
I was shocked too
Bro i have a playlist of every song ive ever liked (excluding songs made by a disgusting pedo who made songs about the victims experiences) its over 115+ hours long ☠️
that's how I've used spotify for years and will continue to do so, I don't care for their garbage
Yea, I listen to my own playlists 90% of the time. Mix in a 4-5% for og albums from the artists, about 5% for automatic spotify playlists (mainly discover weekly), and 0-1% for playlists of others.
I guess I am in the music minority. I listen to whole albums all the time. I also listen to what I want to, not what Spotify recommends
same for me
Actually that sounds fun :D ima do that next time I listen to music
You would be surprised at how many more people are still listening to full albums as I’ve seen a lot of people in different music circles talk about albums just like people in the past have done. Yes the overwhelming population of our world doesn’t listen to albums but there are still a lot of us who do and it’s because we want to experience music to its fullest and the way the artists and bands want us to hear it. For us there is nothing better than experiencing an album from front to back especially if it’s fantastic and an album we’ve been coming back to for years. We definitely are still in the minority but it is slowly growing again at least in the underground where albums are appreciated much more. A lot of people I come into contact with that only listen to single songs and playlists are usually only listening to big name bands and artists that are always playing on radio stations and on popular Spotify playlists. It’s not everyone but it is a really big number and I’ve personally seen a lot of the people I know do this and it really frustrates me that they don’t want to go past that.
@shadowsoul1695 agreed. I listended to the whole Clancy album like...an hour ago??? I forgot, and now im watching a video about Twenty One Pilots lore (I like albums with lore/story/plot because it's really creative and brings more points into the album BEING an album and not just a whole bunch of singles)
@@GravityDontMeanTooMuchTooMe That’s really great, Twenty One Pilots is one of my favorite bands and “Clancy” is one of my favorite albums of the year! They really do go against the whole single craze we’ve been in as they put so much thought and effort into their albums through the different concepts, the lore and the diversity of the music they’re playing. They are kind of an anti-playlist type band even though you can easily hear a lot of their songs on their own and that’s the genius of them!
Personally, where I live, metal bands organize concerts almost every month, and tickets cost around 5$, as well as not having their music on streaming services, they only do music just for the fun
That is so fun!
guessing where @ojogstefan9472 lives any%
finland
That sounds so nice jdjkssksk
A great thing about metal is the merch culture. When a band give a concerts, they always have a merch table where they sell tshirts, patches, CDs and vinyls. I think thats the reason metal concerts doesnt cost absurd amount of money. Later this month i'll be seeing a black metal band and the ticket is only 8 euros. And when getting there I'll head to the merch table and get a CD (~10 or 15euros) and a shirt (~20 or 25euros). So without counting their share on the ticket they get like 30 bucks just from me. And most other metalheads are doing this
where do u live im coming
Spotify: "You asked, we listened"
Me: "Gurl you've turned all the features into premium."
I’m so happy they got rid of the lyrics being paid 😭😭
@@SupernovaFishstickslol what they still are for me?? when did they reverse that
@@KaptainVincent oh no 😭😭 when did you last update your app? It’s been reversed since august
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten into a band because Spotify recommended. I always get into them on my own by listening to what my favorite bands have to say about other bands, what my friends recommend, what I stumble upon on the internet, and just by seeking them out on my own.
I have begun collecting CD’s and vinyls because of how much more valuable they are to me as works of art. And I want to have actual physical media to support my favorite artists. If internet goes down or my phone is dead, I can pop in a disc or a vinyl and listen that way.
But if I delete Spotify, I lose a lot of ability to actually LISTEN to music. So much of my current music time relies on Spotify and Bluetooth cause of my job being construction. I can’t use wired headphones while I’m trying to put metal together. I can’t be changing out cds in a Walkman while I’m carrying my tools bags all day.
Honestly, I've had the opposite experience. I've discovered some of my favorite bands and genres through just random chance of what spotify recommends me.
@@KatanaBlade07 I will never understand why people say Spotify's algo sucks. I have found most of my favorite bands through Spotify radios, recommended lists, etc. I used to let my playlists end and listen to what Spotify was recommending me through said playlists, and I loved that experience. Spotify is not without it's issues, especially in the last 5 years or so they've definitely pissed me off. But like? I guess I don't use "shuffle play" and never have because I like curating specific playlists that play as such, just like I like listening to albums in their correct order.
@@devilxcity yeah, often my strategy for looking for new music is to hit the end of a playlist I have that has a certain vibe im looking for and then skip to the recommended section. Once I find a song I like, I'll check the band's top five, and then if I like those then I'll move on to just blowing through their whole discography.
One thing I liked about the old Spotify was going directly to the song I wanted to hear. That happened even with the free version. I don't mind the ads, but going directly to the song I wanted wasn't free anymore: you have to pay for the feature
Just use the computer version
@@Vol3X1yes but most people listen to it on the go, while travelling or exercising. You can’t expect people to carry a laptop around everywhere just to listen to music
@@TheSucram729 yeah I totally understand that, it's just me who prefers shuffle over choosing every song lmao
I tried to use the spotify mobile app to listen to an album exactly once. Nothing could've prepared me for the abundance of ads, the inability to reorder songs, and having a limited number of skips (I think? It's been a while).
TH-cam playlists aren't perfect, but at least they aren't intentionally designed badly to make you pay for basic features / switch to the desktop app.
Exactly. I was trying to listen to Yeah Glo! On my phone on the bus once. (It was labeled as a single,so it was surely just one song?) Well my tiny brained self clicked it and got a whole playlist that I had to skip through to get to the song. couldn't even replay it.
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As someone who doesn’t pay for Premium, I cannot begin to explain how annoying it is having to sit through 4-5 ads between songs. It’s getting to the point where it’s not a music streaming platform anymore, but an ad streaming platform
Curious as to why you won’t just get the premium version?
They make the free version unusable on purpose
@@IntimateAlien i dont wannna give them money
So i pirate it
So buy albums then?
@@bloodraven2o1o they wouldn't need to hear ads if they paid for premium but clearly they don't want to spend money so that's not really a solution
@@IntimateAlienbecause these are the companies that can solo dominate and rule like a monopoly if u give money noaways usage rate reduced so spotity getting humble
Man, this is actually surprising. The fact that they're making us pay for something as basic as LITERALLY LISTENING TO THE SONG WE WANT TO LISTEN... Is so abusive. And here I thought there wasn't a company more adamant than TH-cam on abusing their free users until they decide to give them money.
11:40 that point you made about Spotify making it hard for smaller creators is so true. Nowadays when I find a new song or an artist that is not super popular it feels like a hidden gem and very rare.
??? I find people all the time, play an album or a short playlist you like and just let it keep playing till it starts shuffling in new songs, you'll find plenty. Spotify is really good at digging up and finding new music, people just dont have the attention span to stick in one place and explore it for very long before jumping to a new playlist, station, artist, etc.
@@jacobanderson4614You're so right. I constantly challenge the algorithm. I love discovering new artistes and bands. I reject the notion of following the Zeitgeist. My Spotify Wrapped will tell you...I'm an explorer
@@jacobanderson4614its simple. people usually focuses on more bigger labels thus the smaller gets left out.
…so…I’m guessing you want a break from the ads?
good one lool
Haha yeah exactly
Web version + ad blocker = free premium
@@catmandoe1 Spicetify.
@@catmandoe1 spicetify is also a good option for the desktop app
and for mobile there's xManager
Spotify has the audacity to play different music when I play something else
LITERALLY!!! I usually end up going to search for the song on TH-cam
Ikr! Like I be listening to my playlist and all of a sudden some random song starts to play and I don’t like it
@@thatoneperson650and then you only get three skips-… PER HOUR
fr all i want is to vibe to my favorite songs and it decides that i want a whole fricking PLAYLIST that i DO NOT want
This is why I use pandora
Algorithms are ruining the world, no doubt about that. But I wonder if another issue is that the whole music scene is just over-saturated: there's so *many* people now trying to make a living out of this and unlike the old days, they're not being filtered through highly picky record labels. People just have so much choice now its overwhelming.
That’s definitely part of what is causing these issues. Thanks for contributing to the conversation!
I agree
im kinda burnt out from listening new music, for some reason the more options are out there the less i want to try to keep up
There's always been a lot of competition in the music space. The only thing that has changed is that you now see everyone who is competing. Before social media artists would remain playing to their niche, not being known by the mainstream but still turning a profit, and that hasn't changed, the scene is no more saturated than it was before.
@@xmanu_ Indeed - there's been various psychological studies on this. When you give people too much choice, they "freeze", and end up choosing nothing.
2:30 growing up before spotify, we had radio. Thats the very same thing as this, just without the option for input except for calling the station and ask for a song. But this "When have you last time listened to a whole album start to finish" part, its weird. Hardly ever did that with cds either. Even then i skipped or used repeat. Yet 95% of music was consumed with the kitchen or car radio anyway.
I have ONE playlist. 600 songs. 40 hours. 4 of those songs were Spotify recommendations. It’s petty but I’m standing my ground
Same I have one huge playlist of around 750 songs. I’m very proud of myself because I think I messed up the Spotify algorithm to the point that it doesn’t have anything new to recommend me anymore, it just presents those 750 songs in different playlists lol
same here. One playlist, 1060 songs, about 71 hours
here 2211 songs, 166 hours, chronological order
Single playlist 11 hours half of it is in flames and 0 spotify recommendations
Same, i have a playlist with 494 songs thats 43 hours long
This is why I only use Spotify on consoles because Spotify doesn't force you to pay for a subscription to unlock basic features like skipping songs
Wait whaaaaaat
Amazon music is better
Ya i like console Spotify better
I think PC has that too. Mobile users have it bad 😬
@@oscarluo7778 as a mobile and console user i agree mobile Spotify is too greedy
I mostly listen to albums start to finish. I admire albums that have a good concept and atmosphere. Also I hardly use algorithm playlists, just listen to what I like and mostly find new bands through word of mouth
Me too! It’s somewhat sad to see that in general, younger generations do not listen to albums start to finish in order anymore. They are often missing out on an entire story the artist is trying to create! Wow, I feel like an old boomer…
@@RaisedMedia Same, I’ve always felt mentally 50, lol
@@RaisedMedia I dont wanna be mean because I like your video in general, but you do know that spotify has and reccomends artist focused playlists? and you never really give a solution to how else spotify is supposed to monetize songs I would like to know so people have something to work towards instead of just "going back to the old days" because most working people dont have to means to buy records, go back to physical or individually pay for all thr songs you want to own. I was kind of disappointed this whole video was just pointing out bad things and not giving a solution as to how to improve spotify. and some old the things you say apply to other music platforms too, like being unprofitable. but dont take this as a I hate comment I genuinely like the video and think it's good, I just want some clarity on what to do next
@@RaisedMediaim fairly young and I also sometimes feel old when I listen to an album start to finish
@@RaisedMediaI’m 15, and I still listen to albums fully
People will go back to physical forms of music if these companies don’t chill.
I think it'll go back to rampant piracy.
On a purely practical level, to have a physical copy of all the music I listen to, I'd have a collection that would cost six figures and fill my apartment from floor to ceiling.
ur totally wrong
who knows, but there is definitely much better options these days for doing so. things like lidarr that make it easier to download music, or software that cleans up your music library instead of having to do it manually. cloud storage is just the norm now or you have things like syncthing that can keep your music in sync across devices for free. theres self hosted music servers like navidrome or subsonic, and its easier than ever to set them up on an online vps or a raspberry pi at home
🎉 the good ole days selling mix tapes out my locker 1987.i sold my CDs in the 90s out gym bags radio play on the jam it or slam it radio talent show Atlanta Ludacris was the host i went gold 96 and 98 my career ended with iTunes and the iPod you had to be signed on a major label to use iTunes download to the iPod game over
lol yeah in your dreams
the reason i hated spotify IS THAT I HAVE TO BUY A SUBSCRIPTION TO LISTEN TO EXACTLY WHAT I WANT, NOT JUST A MIX. Now i hate it even more
I uninstalled Spotify for this exact reason.I feel I shouldn't have to rely on Premium for listening to whatever I want to listen to.I also uninstalled because this year they are relying on AI for their artwork and it doesn't look good.I wish they would go back to letting people pick a song for free.
then don't use spotify?
@BluGamers4life2 youre right thats what i exactly do
First of all, there would be no music industry today if it wasn't for Spotify and similar services(TH-cam music, Apple Music, etc). I understand that Spotify is an easy target to attack and that it's incredibly easy to diminish the effects of piracy but it's very easy to forget that piracy nearly killed the music industry. To be more precise, the music industry nearly killed itself, piracy was merely the catalyst. It was dumb decisions and horrible trends that the music industry kept pushing that nearly killed it, but as with Spotify, piracy has always been an easy target to blame all your ills on. Things got so bad that the music industry as a whole, and by that I mean the mainstream music of course not the fringes, nearly went bankrupt. Yes, it was that bad! It's easy to forget that Spotify was actually the outcome of the music industry leaders sitting together and looking for a way to save their industry. Yes, Spotify is a private company and all that, but the ability to have access to all the music out there on a single platform was very much a decision made by the industry, not Spotify themselves. The music industry made this decision because they were desperate and the situation for the music industry is still bad not because of Spotify but because those who still lead the music industry simply refused to learn from their past mistakes and instead insist on repeating them.
Second of all, Spotify doesn't pay a fixed sum per stream like your 0.004 cents figure. What Spotify actually does is look at their entire monthly revenue, keep 20% of it for themselves to cover overhead costs and whatnot and give the rest of it(80%) to the owners of the music streamed on their platform based on the amount of streams each music owner's relative piece of the overall pie. So if say Dr. Dre would have had 20% of Spotify's streams in a given month and lets also say he owns 100% of his own music, than Dr. Dre would have received 20% of Spotify's 80% of their revenues for that month. You can attempt to calculate how much this boils down to all you like, but this isn't a fixed price like your 0.004 cents figure but rather changes month to month based on the overall revenues of said month. Remember that most of Spotify's income comes from subscriptions of their customers. These subscriptions have 0 correlation with the amount of streams on their platform, as 1 user can only open their app once per month and only listen to a couple of songs while another user can be on the app 24/7 constantly streaming music.
Third of all the issue of music rights holders is indeed a very significant one, but it has nothing to do with Spotify. It has everything to do with the music industry itself and was actually 1 of the main reason the music industry nearly died. Of course the people in charge of the music industry benefited from this situation so they refused to change it in a significant enough way which means that artists now are still suffering from the same issues they did in the past. So why are you blaming Spotify for not paying the artists themselves but the rights holders when they have no say in the matter at all and that the people who do somehow escaped your criticism? Similarly your rant about music creativity is not at all Spotify's fault but again the music industry's. In fact Spotify is the solution to this maddening issue as us listeners can find a wide variety of music on Spotify, not just the same old regurgitated garbage that the music industry insists on feeding us over and over again as 'mainstream music'.
Lastly, yes Spotify is a glorified ad company, it's not a secret or anything. In fact a lot of tech companies are mostly glorified ad companies, chiefly among them Google itself who makes the vast majority of their revenues from ads on their various platforms. Why do the creators of Spotify need to be musicians or from the music industry? Spotify is merely a platform to put music onto and listen to said music. Why are you attributing all the music industry's ills on Spotify instead of well, the music industry itself? And it's not like Spotify is in a vacuum or anything, the other services mentioned above do the exact same thing, heck regular TH-cam was perhaps the biggest catalyst of this, only in TH-cam's case it was even worst as the artists received nothing from random channels various artists' music on their channels without permission or anything. These days most artists, or at least record labels, have TH-cam channels of their own to earn something from this platform but this is a relatively new development. Moreover the direction the music industry itself is heading into isn't in a vacuum either, this is the direction the entire world is headed towards. You're trying to isolate wide issues and reduce them to just Spotify and the music industry which is simply disingenuous.
P.S nobody forces you to use Spotify's various play lists and whatnot. You can still listen in the same old fashioned way of searching for a specific band, going to their discography, picking an album and listen to it. Nobody is stopping you from doing that other than you...
mind blowing
You nailed it. The content creator is really missing a lot.
Preach, you are even more critical and comprehensive in actually tackling the issues. Im glad there are people like you other than this bs youtuber just throwing stones on spotify like as if the spotify is the source of all the problems and issues within the music industry.
Ok jk rowling jesus christ
Great comment, the video was genuinely annoying me at this point and the fact I had to scroll soooo far to find someone that wasn’t just agreeing with him almost made me right this comment myself, but I’m glad you did because I couldn’t have said it as well.
This is one of the best easy-to-understand explanations of why Spotify is ruining music, doesn’t have a future AND isn’t profitable for people who don’t know a thing about music and tech. Just missed a few mentions: Bandcamp, Indie labels/stores, they need our support.
Long live Bandcamp Fridays! ✊️
I would switch but how would my playlists carry over? I mean I really just listen too one playlists with about 100 songs on it, but how? also what streaming service should I switch too?
@@technopancake85i used the app songshift to switch from spotify to apple music. i chose apple music bc 1. my sister already had apple music so i just joined her family plan to get it for free lol and 2. i can have local files on my phone much much easier and better integrated, so i can have songs in my library and playlists that i downloaded from youtube or something. i hope this was helpful!
I don't know if I readed it wrong lol, but that sentence doesn't make any sense (that spotify "isn't profitable for people who don't know a thing about music").
About the rest, I don't think it's Spotify's fault... they aren't holding a gun to the artists so they publish there. Remember that before "Spotify killed music" as you said, the Industry was suffering massives losses because of piracy. If it wasn't for streaming services, who knows what would've been of music with how easy is to pirate a song.
@@technopancake85 you maintain your own music library on your laptop. then transfer to your phone sd card. is it a pain? yeah but its worth it. you then play it with a music app. i use one called Music Player. it has ads when i open it but beyond that there's no more ads. youll have to rebuild your playlists manually.
Please keep making videos, your production quality is fantastic
Please keep coming back to watch! Really appreciate it.
🫡@@RaisedMedia
here is the thing... there is no "right" way to listen to music, and things change.
this is just a new way that you need to get used to. Better yet... you CAN lisent to whole albuns, just chose that option it's YOUR choice
Well said
I agree, there is no 'right' way to listen to music, but if a way harms its consumers and the artists, I don't want to do that way.
@@phayfox6130 well, it doesn't really harm the consumers. Just the artists
Exactly!! I don’t get what the fuss is all about. I gladly and happily pay for premium, small price to pay to listen to whatever whoever whenever WHEREVERyou want!!!
As an artist on spotify i would totally confirm that. For small artists it's so much better if you buy music physically or as a download.
1:33 counterpoint, hatsune miku
Naur
huh?
OH HELL NAH
Where
Hatsune Miku mentioned...?
Thats why i download the songs i like, an hour ago i found my password to get back into my account and half an hour later i feel like deleting it off my phone.
Yes, I just download songs and use foobar or something to make playlists. Its workes for me the last 4 years and I dont think I would have it any other way
i’ve always hated that spotify doesn’t even let me listen to what i want to listen to. it’s literally adding songs to my playlist, and i only get SIX SKIPS PER HOUR!! SIX! it’s so dumb, let me listen to what i want to please.
Pay for it... I pay 15$, and i have 5 friends and family members who use my "family account" for free and they get premium access.
as a musician, good. you need to pay for your music. go download music from bandcamp or amazon and maintain a library on an sd card. get off this platform. the whole premise of this video is how music has been de-valued. get a clue.
i mean... can't really complain about a free service, pay the subscription then
@@moparmaniac69 that’s fair
You know how suck ass this company is, you've already seen it.
Then don't give them any more money.
Just buy/download the songs you want and use an offline music player for that.
Honestly, I really never used to listen specifically to one artist, until I got a record player. Getting something like a record/record player has really made me look at music in a whole new light. It’s helped me really appreciate specific artists for their talent. Ofc I’m not saying everyone should start listening to only cd/record players and things like that. But it really does create an entirely different kind of music.
I can confirm. never really stuck with ONE artist and one artists only,and they were more modern ones. but when I got my record player and my grandma gave me some recordszi finally truly appreciated the talent of some of these long gone artists from the 70's,80's and probably some late 60's too.
"I'm not saying everyone should start listening to only cd/record players and things like that"
Maybe we should tho
I use youtube music and I get all my favourite songs and some new niche artists
Them booklets go hard
@@Camreeyan Oh we absolutely should
This is why I love soundcloud so much. I listen to artists with less than 100 streams on their tracks and it feels great to find truly hidden gems like that
Another (huge) reason concerts are so expensive now, is the production level. The tech is so advanced nowadays with video walls, lights, lasers, automation, pyro... taylor swift for example had 56 semi trucks of gear (not even including the main structure of the stage) plus the labor of 100+ touring crew, 100s of local crew, and everyone else in between.
Very true!
Spotify are never getting a cent from me honestly
Yeah but who even are you?
@@BatistaInvestsrude
@@BatistaInvestsAlright, but why are you taking offense to that comment?
Ches
@@BatistaInvests ur parents are proud of u right? For being rude to random strangers .seems like They didn’t raise u well
I buy CDs because I cannot stand Spotify. They keep adding things and bullshit but then they remove things from the free plan. Also, not having Hi-Fi (lossless) or dolby Atmos quality makes it worse with the years and experience they have, I love listening to great quality music. Another thing that I'm mad at is literally the free plan on phone, you cannot do ANYTHING. I'd love it if they do like Spotify on computer. It has ads, you cannot download songs but at least you can CHOOSE the music you want. Also they keep updating the app with new features only x regions can use. and I can keep listing my complains.
It really does seem like every Spotify update they somehow make it worse not better.
SoundCloud, on the other hand, offers Hi-Fi quality sound!
As with every music catalog, Spotify has same problems, people upload a ton of crap there. And nobody filters results. What it ends up is simply load of crap. And "kings of crap" are sitting at the top of this "pyramid of crap". They cannot even allow to have their sound files stored at 96 kHz quality because there is way too many. If the flow of information is not being moderated by anyone, it becomes a Brown Noise. Spotify is a Noise compactor, trash can garbage collector.
@@francois-patrickarteau6511It doesn't have a very big library tho, most of the artists you look for there you can't find at all, unfortunatly.
One thing I liked about the old Spotify was going directly to the song I wanted. That happened even with the free version. I don't mind the ads, but going directly to the song I wanted wasn't free anymore: you have to pay for that feature!
They now have a limited lyrics-viewing times, 5 times a month like wtf just quit already
spotify without premium is pretty useless. before I had the money to actually pay for it, i used to just download mp3s from youtube lol
Lol brokie
Yeah nah i have premium and i have no issues with that
@@nejcrebolj2013theyre a brokie because spotify limits all the features to premium, and is an app thats basically useless without premium? and dont even call me a broke aswell, ive had spotify premium for a year
Thankfully they got it back on the free plan
This is the sole reason why I collect CD's as a 17 year old, as you can appreciate the album in more ways than one.
First of all, taking a CD (or a vinyl perhaps), seeing the artwork on the album cover, taking a look at the tracks, and then playing it through a player psychologically feels better than playing it digitally.
Secondly, CD's and Vinyl have DRASTICALLY better audio quality even to this day. Digital music is horrible if you compare the two.
Last but not least, it connects you with the artist/band itself. You learn to appreciate the album as a whole, and the music as a result.
Obviously, paying for albums can discourage a lot of people, but once I learned and experienced the benefits, I really got hooked. Another great thing about physical releases, is that sometimes bonus tracks(songs) are included, which you can't find on Spotify.
I also like having physical albums and the quality is definitely better
Loving the video so far but how did you get the 9$ ticket price adjusted to today’s money at the start? Quick inflation tool told me it would be closer to $39
No roasting just curious
Well that’s my mistake lol. I meant 39.90 not $9.90. The point still stands but technically it’s around a 2600% price increase not 10k. Good catch :)
I didn't actually do the math, but the number seemed off to me too. Thanks for pointing it out!
Why yes, I've hated Spotify ever since I woke up one day and found some of my FAVOURITE ALBUMS were no longer available. Thanks, modernity!
Haha yep. That’s a major downside of the streaming model. You own nothing and anything can be taken away at a moments notice
Thanks copyright you meant
What were they
@@RaisedMedialike 7 minute drill or whatever it was called
@@SnooshaThat wasn’t fault of Spotify though, J. Cole simply deleted the song, big difference there
This sounds like the complete opposite of me:
-Listens music in TH-cam.
-Has 2 well defined favorite artists of which he hears more songs of.
-Often listens to the songs of an album, all behind each other, in the order they were placed.
-Doesn't get to know songs from the algorithm, but rather from an specific artist, heard in radio or heard somewhere else.
-If he listens to a playlist, it is either one made by him, or one TH-cam automatically makes with songs he has heard.
-Loves the traditional structure of songs with unique verses and bridges instead of the repeating of the chorus.
Yup, that's me
This is exactly like me, except for the TH-cam part.
@@merl1nos That still counts. Good job.
i also do this but i don't think this is something to brag about
@@Sakuma_Saikoro_DiceKun I mean, I'm not bragging, but why would it be bad to brag about?
Guess we're extremely alike!
I'm half way through this video, you make interesting points. I have tried to go to concerts as much as possible and though I love an artist, realise I don't know the words as much as I used to. So I now try and listen to physical albums. To help this, I often get (usually second hand) Cds and Vinyls of my favourite artists as this way I can own the music and listen to the full album. I recognise second hand isn't supporting the artist that much but some of the new prices is crazy, I guess because they're not making as much bc ppl are less likely to buy them. I do but merch where I can instead but second hand is often more environmentally friendly. I've also started to get DVDs of films/shows I really enjoy because at any point the streaming services could remove or go all together and physical media prices will sky rocket. I hate materialism but sometimes it's better to go back to basics
The kpop industry really knows what they're doing then; they add other inclusions in with their CDs so that people will buy the physical copies of their albums, thus making them more money. Even though almost all kpop artists are under big companies and may not be payed as much for their album sales, they still have the right idea.
i wa shuffling through my playlist filled with mitski and tv girl, and nasty dog came on 😭
WHAAT
Same bro it was kesha and rihanna. But i like sir mix alot so I just assumed it was bc i listened to “i like big butts” a few days ago but nope its just bc its trending rn 😅
Same but I love sir mix a lot so it’s all good
I'm really glad that metal is still having its own scene basically. The songs have 3-4 minutes long intros, outro is long af, the song is atleast 5 minutes long, etc. Tool, or Dream Theater for example, Prog Metal, its a perfect example.
It's more of a prog/ambient thing than metal, although a soothing ambiance is an amazing counter-weight to intense/aggressive music.
I've seen songs that is like 17-18 minutes long 🤣🤣🤣
@@AbabBahah-qm4lo yeah, i know, i love those
As someone who is trying to enter the metal scene, do you have any recommendations?
@@snickerdoodledragon heyy, I'm kinda new myself and my absolute favorite as a new-ish metal fan is obviously metallica. Other stuff would be rob zombie (especially dragula), disturbed, linkin park (meteora album), avenged sevenfold, alcest, a few iron maiden and a few katatonia songs. The safest way to get into metal is probably those traditional heavy metal bands (iron maiden, judas priest, metallica, megadeth). Or thrash like slayer and anthrax. I don't really listen to these bands but I've seen people mentioned these bands a lot (gojira, dream theater, opeth, rammstein) what else? Sepultura? Idk if it's newbie friendly. Idk lol I don't listen to metal in a linear way. I just jump from one genre to another.
That’s why I use TH-cam no not TH-cam music! Just TH-cam to listen to songs
I honestly find TH-cam is terrible to listen to music. They always play the same few songs, it gets very repetitive.
@@marloelefant7500 yea the reason I don’t use yt music is because they are gonna have ads every five seconds I assume and it would play songs randomly probably so I just use playlists on TH-cam
So u make playlists and stuff?
@@Channelblueajpw1in my opinion I'd much rather have a 5 second skipable add before every song then to have to listen to 3 30 second long adds ever 5 songs
I can't cause of the quality
I just collect CDs and make playlists in folders that are playable on my phone and car. I only collect the things I know and love, and will step out of my comfort zone at the suggestion of a friend in order to expand my lists. Many times I will check out a band/artist on TH-cam and if I like them enough, I'll buy their CD/CDs. And since 2018, this is actually served me much better than streaming. CDs are cheap enough to obtain in massive quantities and all of my favorite titles are available. With that, I get the original version after loading them into my phone, original artwork and playlists are interchangeable and easy to delete or add to them.
This video is a reminder to keep using my 2008 iPod touch 2nd generation with my music on it. No wifi, no ads, just music the way it SHOULD be. "Only I can pause my music" (Dankpods). I know I sound old saying this, but it is true. Big companies are pushing more ads and Spyware and take more from artists. So instead of letting myself fall in line with modern enshitttificatioon, I went back to the days of the iPod. No matter how much I hate iphonesm I will always cherish my iPod for THESE reasons. Big companies suck.
I think music being so accessible is insane, when you think about how it was before. Songs being free to listen to is now the norm, which means only the biggest artists can live from only the revenue of concerts/streaming services.
Its hard to say if this is better overall, its great for the consumers perspective, at least for now, but it looks grim for creators, as wanting to make a living is basically impossible.
I dont think streaming services stopping would fix anything though, the internet existing spelled the end of paid songs because of piracy.
they get money from views and thing like that
The value is in being able to buy an album and press play and listen all the way through without having to skip "filler" tracks. Whoever can accomplish that, regardless of genre, usually will be successful eventually.
What you feel is filler, someone enjoys.
@@ryanperrault8174 well said
@@tristen_grantwhich is why Spotify is popular because you can skip what you dont like.
@@momo_f_awsome You can also skip songs on any other music listening platform. CDs, cassettes and vinyl included.
Hm yes I agree. hate trying to do that.
Like all of us in the 60-80s we all purchased LPs. Apart from a hand full of artists, the albums usually contained the single that made you purchase in the first place and probably already owned. Followed a couple of good tracks, the rest were just fillers, or crap as we all called it.
Then (for me) came iTunes. At last, I could (in those days) buy just the tracks I liked rather than an album with just 30% of good tracks. A much better way to buy music. It also made the artist record better tracks.
Spotify isn't replacing CDs, Casets and vynil, its replacing radio and i think it and its users need to understand that. Now it needs to start thinking about how it can uplift local artists like local stations do
Something I like about Spotify is how easy it makes it to discover new artists, I view myself as a collector, when I hear a song I like, I add it to a playlist so that I can hear it again (I have a lot of playlists, it’s almost a problem) if I REALLY like the song and I want more, I will check the artist, sometimes I will listen to their entire discography, sometimes just one of their albums, sometimes a playlist with just that artist on it, then I add what I like to my playlists or create a new playlist for them that I throw some other music that I already listen to on as well that goes with that artist’s vibe. I have so many playlists that is a bunch of music from 4 or so artists that fit into the same category in my mind with a few extra songs here and there. As a result I mainly listen to playlists I made, and really listen to one’s Spotify formulated unless I want to switch it up or hear something new. I don’t view songs or artists as disposable, that’s part of the reason I have so many playlists, even if I don’t listen to a playlist that often anymore, there was a point where I listened to it on the daily and I can’t just erase that (I know for a fact that if it was the 80’s rn I would have an entire wall of mixtapes (album tapes too but SO MANY MIX TAPES). I might start listening on other platforms tho, I did not realize how little the artists actually get paid
When I listen to new music, I usually listen to it through the original album, I’ve gone through every single one of Kanyes albums 1 by 1 listening to the whole album and discovering songs that way instead of just shuffling a pre-made playlist of his songs, did the same with OutKast too.
I love Kanye, the main way I discover music is always by listening to albums
Same, and I love OutKast too
"Think twice before renewing spotify premium because you could be contributing to the downfall of music" Is an downright insane person statement 😭 Nothing could ever possibly "kill" music itself, it's been around since the beginning of like everything basically and it will be around until the world ends. Even if something was able to "kill" music it wouldn't be spotify bro
It’s slightly hyperbolic but the point of the video is that the way we relate to music and music artists is changing and the could lead to more soulless songs that are being encouraged by algorithms.
the solution to this is to stop caring about mainstream shit and listen to what YOU like instead of what's trendy. guarantee you if you just find your kind of music literally nothing that happens in the mainstream will matter to you
@@pockets4015 I do! this is still important
@@pockets4015thank you! Someone with a brain 😂
@@pockets4015 EXACTLY
I think this is mainly due to the fast consumption model the internet has embraced in last years and not because the 'streaming' services specifically. Like, with the short media model established by companies like TikTok, TH-cam (Google), Instagram (Meta), for example. People now tend to get bored very fast with anything longer than 30s, I think that's the real factor that contributed to the fall of the Music and Movie industries nowadays.
i do have spotify premium, mostly to listen offline without ads, but when at home i make full use of my vinyl, cassette and cd collection, they do still mean a lot to me but i’m not going to block out streaming, it’s still a good option to support artists if you do both
streaming is penny. It's better than zero but it's still penny
I have Apple music and several iPods that I restore and modify. I listen to whole albums, or just shuffle my library, I rarely listen to a playlist that I didn't make myself. I also buy CDs for my favorite artists, to have something tangible and collectable.
The price change is because Beatles sang at concerts, now the artist has dancers and background singers and flashing lights and fireworks
0:45 That's the neat part - I've already pirated it
I can only speak for myself, but I only listen to songs and artists that I choose to on Spotify. I don’t use the Spotify algorithm to find new music, I look up the type of music I want and pick a name I like until I find a band/artist that I like. I only listen to playlists that I put together myself and only ever do the typical shuffle, not smart shuffle. I listen to full albums on occasion.
A lot of these problems are not with Spotify, but with the audience of the music. A general audience wants the most generic music that gets set out in front of them by the radio or the algorithm. These people don’t go out and look for music because they want to, they get it fed to them by an algorithm that favors slop over actual, well made music.
Now that I think about it, I only ever choose what albums I wanna listen to at a given instance. I rarely enjoy playing my liked playlist on shuffle. It just feels like im listening to a random “gaming” or “get hyped” TH-cam playlist
Spotify is perfect for me.. I just sit in my corner and listen to my albums fully and by choice, staying away from the ai and the vibes playlists.
yeah, I’ve just listened to vocaloid albums and stuff because thats what I like, I never use AI shuffle or those spotify made playlists
@@Burbee1511 yeah, the DJ is awful. Plays music that i actually don't care about and will skip to the ones that i actually like
SAME
yeah but your favourite artist's are not getting paid at all ,streaming through tidal and apple music is better... like 3-4x money for your artist
@@bodhi9945 oh wow
I don't know about y'all, but I use Spotify for my own playlists that I make. I also listen to full albums pretty often, and collect vinyls. And is it that big of an issue that the already super rich big artists arent even richer?
i think spotify not paying their artists is only a big issue when it comes to small artists. taylor swift doesn't need to worry about her spotify revenue, she makes enough from breathing. but where in the past a small artist would've made something from a cd sale, there's higher potential they make nothing at all.
@@emoscotchtape but that's a false equivalency. Would so many small artists really get a chance to record an album in the "good old days" and have it published for people to buy it? This is my main problem with the entire criticism. People act as if anybody that wanted to become a musician could just randomly record an albom pre-Spotify and make loads of money.
@@emoscotchtape if you look for the artists, play there music or put it on your fav spotify be putting them on your fyp
@@kumaahito3927Yes, this. Thank you. It’s also plain entitled and unbecoming to demand a seat at the table as an artist.
I am big into music, i use Spotify daily as well as owning many physical records. While i much prefer physical music, as it truly sounds better through vinyl than bluetooth streaming, spotify makes it very easy to find new artists in my opinion. I don’t listen to the ai made playlists much, and mostly listen to my own made playlists however i have found some new smaller artists through those playlists!
Yea same, I’ll go through the artist recommendations on the bottom of artists I already like and just keep going through them, finding smaller artists with similar style and underrated talent
I don’t use Spotify this way. I use it just like how I play real albums. It’s all up to the user how they digest the content they’re fed. I’m glad you addressed this though, as I’m sure not a lot of people, especially younger listeners, realized what they are losing with how they listen to music now. I like Spotify and will continue to use the service, because I am already aware of the issue, and have chosen to listen in a more personal way.
I think people who consume music the way you described and the way Spotify wants them to, used to listen to 'the radio'. They usually have little intrest in music, they just enjoy the backgraund noise. Some of them don't even notce the ads...
I don't think that spotify has something to do with music being less creative, like... that's a tiktok's thing more than Spotify's😭😭
there are many factors
Songs with long building intros will often end up kicked to the curb on an out and about playlist, and stuff with big dynamic range will get drowned out by car and city noise unless played ear splittingly loud, yet with an armchair and a good stereo or headphones, these songs are the musical foreplay.
Is it tho? I kinda feel like there is no key for a song going viral on TikTok apart from having a clipable 20 seconds. Spotify is kinda forcing artists into mood boxes and making song structures become even more rigid.
@@TimpBizkit Sorry, i didn't get what you mean :(
@@EvHocks I mean, you said it yourself "going viral on tiktok" why would spotify be the one to blame? like, if u want a culprit, it's us, as consumers making viral boring and uninspired songs just because of those 20 cool seconds
The mood-boxes thing, i get it, and yeah, that's kidna meh, but again, Spitify isn't the only one who does that, YT Music does it too... So... Spotify is just one of the many plataforms that forces artist into a more rigid structure
This is why I never stopped downloading songs off TH-cam to this day
You are not contributing to artists by doing that as well. At least spotify gives them some spare change, unlike having their work downloaded for free.
If it makes you support those artists later by buying their merch and CDs or going to their concert, then that's another thing. I'm not against piracy in any shape or form, tough.
There was a guy that said "You should not be mad that your work is pirated, you should be mad if people don't even want to pirate your work"
@@phrogtesem9410and thats why you always make sure to find the original artisr. i refuse to watch music videos or lyric videos of any kind that are just hopping onto other artists for money
You're literally adding fuel to the fire but whatever
@@phrogtesem9410does he have to contribute?its not like its illiegal to download songs in a file its america after all their is no law against it so why does that matter to this person
@@phrogtesem9410oh no, anyway
It's about culture in my opinion. Look at all the other mediums in the entertainment industry that all share the same problem but there's great original works inside the cluster of generic crap.
I agree. Original works are probably better than ever right now but Spotify ironically doesn’t let those tracks get fed to enough listers as their entire business model (and algorithm) favours major artists. It’s a tricky problem to solve. Popular artists are popular because well, they are popular…but many small artists, despite having equally good music, can’t beat the feedback loop Spotify has (arguably) unintentionally created.
@@RaisedMediathere's too many artists and songs that sound exacly the same. Music is literally being treated like those horror movies that always include the creepy little girl or action movies that's always about a guy coming out from retirement that kills everyone.
@@RaisedMedia I mean i don't think you can escape the favoritism, bigger artists will always get pushed more either through radio or friend recommendations so i wouldn't blame the algorithms that much here. Also your mentioned connection with the artists, i don't believe it suffers majorly in a way that people don't want to connect, just that now people might have higher standards for their favorite artists because there's so many to choose from. I know it took me a couple of years on spotify to discover my favorite band and i've supported them through buying merch. Speaking of merch, i think the shift of how artists now get paid is only natural with the growing costs of living. I still have bought a tee from a band with a 100k monthly but i don't feel like spending that much on other artists because of my other needs. If there were no streaming services more regular people, in my personal opinion, wouldn't spend much on music because they have other things they'd rather spend their money on. So the way artists now primarily get payed shifted from cd's cassettes and vinyls to concerts and merch, which in a way is fineee. Sure it does suck now that seeing your favorite artist is more difficult and expensive but that's the price you're paying for more easily accessible music. Which all doesn't mean i don't believe artists should be payed more, i'm just saying that this was probably how the things were going to evolve given the circumstances anyway. Last point i'd like to address is originality. I think if you want your music to be more original just.. listen to pop or rap less ? the genres are so huge, they're bound to have a million copy cats. Even metal (which together with rock are my primary genres, but i do listen to whatever sounds good) can suffer from this issue at times with few bands choosing to go more generic routes however it's a lot less prevalent and songs getting shorter isn't something i noticed in said genre, Tesseract's newest album has an 11min song that i absolutely love and always listen start to finish. Anyway that concludes this wall of text, feel free to disagree with any of my points i just told it how i see it from my point of view. Also quality video, just maybe a tad bit too long, cheers!
Thanks for contributing your opinions! I think the issue is that Spotify is without a doubt an unsustainable business model. Between Major labels and the US government both forcing renegotiations of streaming pay, Spotify is in a tough spot. They either need to charge a heck of a lot more to pass on higher expenses or figure out another solution. It seems they are pursuing advertising and promotion tools as their revenue driver but these are resulting in some negative impacts on the industry and bias on the platform. Discovery mode and their other promotions tools are becoming legitimately a form of Payola. It’s really hard for small artists to make enough money to live on. Even if they have dedicated fans such as yourself, the main way these artists make money is through touring (and merch sales from that) but often these artists struggle to fill venues and the competition for venues has never been higher. Competition and access to more quality music is a good thing but it’s unlikely that this current arrangement between artists, streaming services and their customers will remain.
@@RaisedMedia true that, the prices of movie streaming services have been sky rocketing I'm surprised Spotify is still relatively inexpensive, at least here.
Like Twenty one Pilots said on their song Lane Boy: "There's a few songs on this record that feel common
I'm in constant confrontation with what I want and what is poppin'
In the industry, it seems to me
That singles on the radio are currency
My creativity's only free when I'm playin' shows"
i never really noticed this because i have spotify premium my whole life
Yeah, I don't really understand how people can simultaneously:
- demand free access to music (not paying for premium, but wanting access to Spotify's music)
- complain about getting ads between songs
- complain about Spotify not paying enough to the artists
Like... bitch, you are not willing to pay for music. Don't be a hypocrite and say that you're fighting against Spotify by pIrAtInG music... Unless you support your favorite artists through other means, you're actually screwing over not just Spotify, but the artists too.
Paying a little for a listen will still give the artist more income than simply pirating their songs.
I just hate Spotify because it doesn't let me play my music OFF OF SHUFFLE, BUT BACK IN 2019 I COULD CHOOSE IF I WANTED IT ON SHUFFLE OR NOT. NOW I HAVE TO PAY PREMIUM IN ORDER TO BLOODY LISTEN TO THE SONGS I WANT, I had no idea it was worse
Honestly I don't know how this is different than before. When I was young, I watched TV and TV decided what were the big artists, so their face was showed to me against my will. Now it's the same when I open Spotify. Honestly it's just a matter of recognizing it's not entirely tailored from your tastes, But it's a lot Biased on artists budget, so you can safely ignore the bigger artists and go for the personal ones... I discovered a lot of unknown music in Spotify But still listen to a lot of personal favorites and buy a lot of physical media.
That’s why I love buying physical media, Vinyl and CDs. I feel like I am ACTUALLY supporting the music artists I like. Also, I don’t have to stand the AWFUL lossy compression that just ruins the music. Come on, Spotify, time to get out of the pre-historical times. CDs, 1980’s TECH literally sounds better than you.
You also just grow a deeper connection to the music when you physically own it. Physical media isn’t for everyone but I hope it’s not forgotten!
I literally got an add saying enjoy the next 30 mins of uninterrupted music and i kid you not one 5 minute song later im getting an ad
The only thing that would "suck" is having to rely on local radio stations hoping to hear your favorite songs. With streaming in this case Spotify, it's a no brainer to not subscribe. I honestly would have to hunt elsewhere for songs I don't know, or want to hear from movies, tictok and the like. Nearly all of my new discoveries are from TV social media. Fortunately Spotify makes it easy with likely the largest library of music. Not only does this mean I find less popular songs, but I often like selections from independent artists that would otherwise go unnoticed. I prefer to make my own lists, occasionally skipping through the pre made lists and hearing a song I've long forgotten about and afterwards adding to my playlists. The sub is definitely worth it for me. As for albums, we have the option to listen to the whole thing while skipping through a song we don't like and make up our minds if we may want to buy a physical copy . Doesn't get better. Bought too many LPs that have 2 songs and 7 duds. Well that's a waste of money for sure. At 25 or so $ an album! Fortunately streaming music is way more cost effective.
We're no longer living in an era where creativity can leads to beautiful stuff, Nowadays its more of like producing content to get the money rather than adding care or love. Greed, Ego and other bad elements have taken over. Companies will be bad with how much money they get
This is why I listen to music on TH-cam. Not the TH-cam music app but actual TH-cam itself. Or I listen on SoundCloud occasionally
Me too.
Used Spotify for a single day, immediately renewed my Apple Music subscription, absolutely fucking joke of a music app.
Ikr! APPLE MUSIC IS LEAGUS BETTER
Frr, I’d rather an app be a completely paid service rather than free and lock important features. + they don’t shove their own playlists and recommendations in your face, they kinda leave you alone lol
i think a lot of people would migrate to apple music if it wasn't exclusively tied to apple. iphones are waaay more expensive in latin america, so it becomes impossible for millions and millions of people to adhere to it
I’ve recently started buying the albums i like on CD, and switched over to TH-cam music since Spotify is so far behind for the same price practically. I always listen to full albums too. I’m glad to see vinyl becoming popular again. People need to realize the value of OWNING your media.
The unfortunate thing about this, is that the cost of live shows will never go down, even if artists can somehow turn around and make more money on album or song sales. Greed will persist.
I've used YT to listen to music since you can't choose on spotify phone version music you want to listen to
Honestly I had no idea any of this was that bad because I never use my Spotify recommendations, I don’t think Ive even tried the smart shuffle thingy once, and I rarely make and listen to my playlists. Jesus Christ I’ve been so blind to all of this 😭
I find it difficult to feel bad for an artist when they only made 20 million instead of 50 million
99.99% currently LOSE MONEY!
As someone who is a classical music fan through-and-through, the whole "vibes playlists" thing doesn't really do anything for me. Background music has its place, sure. But when music has great sweeping melodies, powerful lyrics, or tension-building chord changes, it deserves to have all your attention payed to it at least once. Otherwise, it's just that: background noise.
Interestingly, because of this, I find the classical music scene has changed very little in comparison to the pop music scene because whereas pop music constantly feels the need to keep up with the latest trends (you don't say...), classical music is rooted in the traditional and requires that same energy of the great masters of the past to be channelled into it for it to be a success. Not saying this is always the case, but its part of the reason why it has retained the same sorts of audiences.
In my opinion streaming has reduced the "lifespan" of songs. Earlier you used to permanently own songs and we relished them for many days to come. Nowadays however, we only have temporary ownership of these songs, causing people to move on and leave songs behind more quickly. Take for example one of my favorite songs- We Don't Talk Anymore. People say "oh its a NINE year old song". Yeah but like I still wanna listen to it what's weird about that. Also I'd like to add that no matter how many songs- 2 or 2000, we pay the same amount per month but such wasn't the case with say iTunes.
There not being a paywall for listening to an album whenever is honestly the best thing I've ever experienced. Though with the negatives, like not owning the music is miserable to deal with, artists making chump change SUCKS, the smart shuffle being forced is the worst, the free mobile version is abysmal. But, as a broke mf, I would hate to have to spend money on every song I want to listen to. I probably just wouldn't listen to music as much, and I likely wouldn't have found the wonderful artists I absolutely adore. I don't really listen to new music that often, so I can't really say much on that experience.
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Who TH-cam ->MP3 here?
Depends on who and if there is any other way to buy it
Really I only do it if I like the song enough or the song is about to get deleted from youtube
I do
I make character playlists (playlists for my ocs)
I only share them with my friends because they're filled with songs that work together to tell you about them. Most of the songs in their playlists are filled with songs I can say for sure most people don't know. Some might recognize a few artists, but they're not all very popular artists
Oh shit, let me name some reasons
1) sometimes you can only play 5-10 seconds of a song in your playlist
2) if you play a single song you can listen to 828383893499 OTHER songs!
3) you can only skip 6 songs
4) ads
5) you need premium to see lyrics
6) you can’t listen to music without WI-FI!
7) it shoved premium in your face
8) You know when you get 1 or 2 ads on a TH-camr video? You get like 4 or 6 ads at once
Say more reasons why I would rather Kiss P. Diddy then download Spotify ever again
that new limited-amount-of-lyrics-per-month thing is absolutely bullsh1t, i can easily open Genius while listening to whatever's playing on my headphones... this companies are just sick for money and power and that's not really fresh news, i hate most of today's popular music and i also hate how small artists with actual potential and interesting projects are neglected by most people... everything is expensive this days too, i'm a broke teenager so i can't always afford a record/cd/cassette and even secondhand is expensive sometimes with people just labelling everything as "vintage" so the only reason why i don't leave spotify is because it helps me find good music that i haven't listened to yet based on whatever i already like (even tho i have other sources like reddit and rym now), if it wasn't for spotify's massive catalogue (and also how the app works) i wouldn't know many of the amazing records i do now since my family and friends aren't really interested in music and a big part of the internet and most radios focus on souless generic stuff that i would never be much fond of despite of the circumstances, so i guess that spotify is good for one thing, but sucks at everything else and i'm not sure if it's really worth it *(bad english)*
Why do you complain about *free* Spotify being bad? Like... You don't pay for music, and you expect to be served all features on a golden platter?
@@kumaahito3927he expect basic functions of a music app
Stop defending big companies
@@kumaahito3927 I don't have a problem with the ads and stuff because I recognize the importance of paying the artists (I always try to buy records and CDs for that reason), but we all know that they don’t really make much money from streaming platforms - that's why concerts and merch are getting more expensive. However, I do have a problem with Spotify adding features to the app that don’t really help. For example, the lyrics feature is pointless because it’s something I can easily ignore, it’s more of an inconvenience. They could be adding really cool features to the premium version that would help artists by making people more interested in paying for premium, yk?
Also, you only make good money with Spotify if you're REALLY famous, so most artists get nothing from it, but they feel obligated to basically give their work away for free because that’s how the world works now, and it’s the ""only"" way people will find your art. I’m not complaining about paying artists, nor do I expect to have certain features without paying for them. I’m complaining about how the app is getting worse and how that doesn’t help artists, nor does it make people more interested in paying for music. Most teens nowadays aren’t interested in it, or they feel like it’s not valuable because of streaming services.
So again, I’m not complaining about paying, I’m complaining about how Spotify and other apps have ruined the music industry and do nothing good to fix it. It feels like they just mess things up more and more, and no one benefits, not even Spotify, since they don’t really make much money from their own business. I’m not sure if I’m being clear, but no, I don’t expect to be given all features on a golden platter, I’m just upset that the only good thing about Spotify is that it makes music more accessible for those who are interested, but it has also devalued music to the point that it’s literally shaping how people create it.
@@kumaahito3927 (For some reason, my comment disappeared so I'm reposting it, but I don't know if it's gonna show up two times later so this is just a "warning") -> I don't have a problem with the ads and stuff because I recognize the importance of paying the artists (I always try to buy records and CDs for that reason), but we all know that they don’t really make much money from streaming platforms - that's why concerts and merch are getting more expensive. However, I do have a problem with Spotify adding features to the app that don’t really help. For example, the lyrics feature is pointless because it’s something I can easily ignore, it’s more of an inconvenience. They could be adding really cool features to the premium version that would help artists by making people more interested in paying for premium, yk? Also, you only make good money with Spotify if you're REALLY famous, so most artists get nothing from it, but they feel obligated to basically give their work away for free because that’s how the world works now, and it’s the ""only"" way people will find your art. I’m not complaining about paying artists, nor do I expect to have certain features without paying for them. I’m complaining about how the app is getting worse and how that doesn’t help artists, nor does it make people more interested in paying for music. Most teens nowadays aren’t interested in it, or they feel like it’s not valuable because of streaming services. So again, I’m not complaining about paying, I’m complaining about how Spotify and other apps have ruined the music industry and do nothing good to fix it. It feels like they just mess things up more and more, and no one benefits, not even Spotify, since they don’t really make much money from their own business. I’m not sure if I’m being clear, but no, I don’t expect to be given all features on a golden platter, I’m just upset that the only good thing about Spotify is that it makes music more accessible for those who are interested, but it has also devalued music to the point that it’s literally shaping how people create it.
Spotify will collapse soon. It’s clear all these changes are out of desperation
I’m not sure it will collapse, but major changes (in pursuit of profit) are definitely on the horizon. This will almost definitely mean a worse result for musicians and us consumers.
@@RaisedMedia They’ve gotta run outta money at some point
@RaisedMedia I just download a mod and I don't have to pay ever again.
@@aunteggmaniac wdym? What mod?
@@user_breathlessnah they have too many users who will pay the fee because they don't have time to listen to a full album everytime the wanna listen to music.
I am not lying i got a spotify ad before this
cool how we all didn't search for the video and the algorithm presented it to us😂
This is why I buy actual vinyl records from a small record store in my town. They either help the artist or a local business
Does this not imply to all music streaming services? Why does Spotify get the hate when Apple Music does the same thing
People will pirate the songs anyway.. with or without Spotify
that's why I will never release music and the only way you can hear my music is to come and see me live
@@tyremanguitars Good for you, I don't think anyone here cares
@@nickronca1562and hears
I personally use TH-cam music because I find it more convenient but not having premium kinda suck.
While I pretty much agree with that you said, without Spotify, I wouldn't have found or supported Singaporean PluggnB and Korean Hyperpop artists with under a 500 streams/month from the UK. So I fully agree with at least owning control of what you listen to, I spend months crafting playlist with new songs and small artists. Taking time to force myself to manually/actively listen to new music, cause you never know when you'll find your new favourite artist.
a average eras tour ticket costs $150 or so. same with every other popular artist. the price shown is a resale. the most expensive eras tour ticket is $800, which covers hotel, merch, and basically the best seats in the arena
Why are we acting like Spotify is the only streaming service