The taran Glock combat mater is still a dressed up Glock for 4 times the price. I can get stock Glock slide cut, stippled, after market trigger and mag well and trijicon sro red dot installed for about $1800 and stilll save 200-300 bucks instead of getting the combat master without red dot
@@S1deshowRob long time ago he had an under aged emplyee name jade there was some questionable things going on maybe a bit creepy but abuser I wouldn't go that far .
Agreed 100%! As an owner of several high end 2011s, I want to know who I call when something goes wrong. Atlas, Infinity, Nighthawk, and even Staccato all have great customer service. Who do I call when my Pit Viper extractor needs to be replaced?! John Wick?!
Your production quality is just hands down some of the best (if not the best) of any firearm reviewers on the Web. To complement the quality of production, the quality of your review and honesty is also unmatched. The 1911Syndicate is the only channel to call the PitViper the hack it actually is. 👍🏻👌🏻
"Price is never the problem, it's the value I receive in exchange for the price." That statement is so true. Thanks for being honest about the fact that the gun isn't a good value for the money, unless you're buying it for collectability aspects.
Never thought I’d say “save your money and just buy a staccato” but come on There’s no reason to buy this thing, it doesn’t even mount optics and the “fangs” seem like such a gimmick
And now that Staccato has fixed he issue with the thumb safety, (mine is superbly blended). The Grip safety is also well blended. I did have to desensitize it for my smaller hands as I do ride the thumb safety. An Atlas thumb will be next for it. ;
this has everything that makes for a great video from you all. The best cinematography hands down, 30+ min, and the fireside chat vibe you two bring. great way to start the weekend
Have to comment again. I think a video where you two talk about how YOU would design a 1911 Syndicate gun would be an awesome video. Especially if you managed to cover a more "affordable" model and a model with no regard for price
This^^ you guys could do a multipart micro-series capturing the fundamental tenets/attributes the weapon "must" & why. The design process, selecting a gunsmith to build the prototype, how the design evolves as the prototype comes together, the acid test of putting the prototype into a performance/pressure testing regime, lessons learned, locate a pro comp shooter to run it in a competition, more lessons learned, final engineering revisions, final production of a small lot hold a competition and with the first prod unit as the top prize, raffle off or sell the remainder form the small lot.
2 things, One that intro was totally bad ass! Secondly, wow! I am so glad to get your take on this. I loved the looks of the vipers, and in video, they appear to shoot amazing.... It's definitely very helpful to get that deeper look. Thanks for the honesty and attention to the details.
99.99% of John Wick fans will say this is the best pistol in the world that's worth every penny. Not sure if they would say the same if this pistol cost $3499.99
I've always felt like TTI ordered these guns from staccato, had his gunsmith work the trigger and sent the barrel out for coating MAYBE milled the slide cut outs. More hype than value for that price 100% agreed About the thumb safety issue that you quoted, Adam from Atlas has mentioned in videos before that safety is designed to be ridden for recoil management. Might not be everyones cup of tea
The mag not dropping free is most likely due to a cheap grip module. When injection molding grip modules like that, there is a shrink rate that happens when the polymer cools that has to be accounted for when creating and sizing the molds. If they don’t get the shrink rate right when creating the molds, you get slightly undersized grip modules.
I worked in the quality lab of a plastic injection molding plant and I can tell you that for something like that plastic grip module to be of consistent quality there would have to be a "magazine shaped " fixture to slide into the grip while it is cooling, even if it had coolant running through the mold before it was ejected from the machine.
@1911syndicate thanks for giving a clear and honest review. Really refreshing to see someone not just blowing smoke, kissing ass and or maybe lining their pockets doing reviews that push a sub par product being sold at premium prices. Makes one seriously question the integrity of some other channels reviewing this and saying its with 7k.
Awesome review guys, you just saved my bank account and me, from making a bad purchase. I came into some money and was shopping around. It came down to a Infinity and Sand Viper. I know all there is about Infinity but not Taran Tactical and yes I do come to this channel to not only get a honest review but a WELL INFORMED review from people who know more, obviously then I do about 2011s. Again I appreciate the video !
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I worked for STI/Staccato during John Wick3 and WE made all the OG CombatMaster pistols and the Frame is marked with STI symbol and the slide was marked TTI
My gun club brought this gun in and we all had a chance to fire and discuss. A fine shooting gun, but people picked up on the grip and safety. $7000.00? This gun will fall from grace as time goes on, like the Luago Alien. I can go to Hayes Custom and build a killer 2011 for $4000 to whatever price I want. A custom milled, hand fitted, best components, and finish with a host of cosmetic choices. Plus, the Hayes family are awesome and the nicest people.
My pit viper had the same fit and finish issues, I sent mine back for a full refund. TTI gave me a full refund without any problems. This all happened back in May, I contemplated making a video but I literally shipped it back the next day. Thanks for making this video, this needed to be put out in the wild.
Hell yes. Someone finally calling bullshit on the Taran - Wick hype machine. Should not be a surprise that the guy who tapes over his charlies and calls them alphas would cut corners on both design and manufacturing and sell at a silly inflated price to the simps. We need more reviews like this that critically examine the engineering behind the marketing.
The main difference is that we can now use our pace again. For the last 2 yearss we've been pressing so high up the pitch that it kept the opposition pinned back and there was no space to make any runs behind the defence. This way we force the opposition to come for out for the ball, which leaves so much space to make runs in behind.
I have worked on one of Tarans sand vipers. Pretty sure optimum manufacturing is making his slides. There is little to no hand fitting and you can really tell from the extractor fit along with the beaver tail engagement, slide to frame, and the sear springs are stock very little polishing or relieving and same with sear. The issue you had is hammer following into the halfcock. This is likely from how the after travel on the trigger itself was setup which can very from Mags believe it or not. It should be adjusted with a mag in the gun.
Excellent review and commentary. Wonder how TTI will respond, if at all. I have never been into the Glam gun craze with colored parts, wild slide cuts, and all the other BS that draws your eye. I guess for the movies it makes sense but IMHO if the customization is not purely functional in a positive sense, then there is no practical operational value. I fully agree on your final assessment, save yer bucks and buy a Nighthawk Custom. I bought a NH T3 many years ago and it is hands down the finest 1911 I have ever fired. The trigger is sublime in operation and the fit and finish of the weapon is impeccable. Keep up the great work fellas.
Bul Armory for the average joe, Staccato for the person that can save up a bit more, INFINITY for the dream gun 6-7k worth.. shot my brothers Atlas Athena, it felt in a whole different league than my C2 or anything else for that matter, but it did not shoot like a 5-6k gun over a 2-3k gun imho.
As price goes up on custom guns, the return in refinement is a lower %. The way it is in any mechanical project. guns, Race Engines, you name it. it is game of diminishing returns. But it is legitimate. No owner of an INfinity or Atlas would argue the point. KnifeMaker
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate: Jake is 75% more Jeremy Clarkson in the intro and 25% John Wick from pintress , the gentrified rubber targets gets brutalized by Taran's expensive creation, and Chris goes back in time when he was a seedy alley gun salesyeti.....
It is a little strange TTI doesn't tell you who makes the pistols. You would think that would be a selling point they would want to brag about. The fact that some one won a shooting competition with it really doesn't do much for me. World class competitors can probably kick ass with a Glock 34 too. Also, I really appreciate how you went into detail on what you saw wrong with the pistol. That grip fitment looks like it would hurt my hands after a shooting session. And I have calloused up farmer's hands.
Caniks whole claim to fame in competition circles is that they bought some great shooters for their team and they were able to win with a Canik. Buy a Canik and training ammo for the remaining like $6000+ and you too might win a competition.
@@Dentlessthey did that once and might have made those, but the majority of them are made by someone else. Unfortunately I don’t know who as I didn’t know them when it was told to me or I might have remembered. Hell Staccato (at the time, STI) only made the first batch or so of the Combat Master. Eventually the rest of those were made elsewhere also.
I love the TTI pit viper, but I do think that it’s only worth half the price that it is currently costing to purchase right now. Even though I’ll probably end up paying to get it one day anyways.
I have a Bul Armory SAS Tac II w/ an optic that cost me 2K I have huge buyers remorse despite knowing I saved about 1K over a similarly optioned Staccato It’s my fav gun and I live shooting it but 2K🤦🏾 I can’t imagine paying 7K for a pistol
An emotional response but not a legitimate one. There are many firearms worth many hundreds of thousands of Dollars. Some Millions. Fine Purdy and Holland and Holland Double Rifles for instance made for Royalty and are the envy or any collector of fine guns and art. If you own one of many of these fine firearms', you can command an extravagant amount and have huge profit. As will the buyer in just a few years. Same with very high end Custom Knives. For the most collectable of them, the return is much higher than just about any investment you could possibly make and be guaranteed a very Health proffit. Are these worth it in you mind. Nope. Are they worth it financially, H*ll Yes! (Is a vintage rolex worth than a brand spanking new Timex). If and only if you understand the market value and money. What sucks in this instance is the inflated price due to the item being a movie fan must have. is it well made, Nope. Desirable to the movie buff, yep in many cases. There are movie props sold every day at high end auctions that bring huge amounts of money. All due to provenance. It is what it is. In this case, it is only a copy of a prop, but apparently authorised. Not something I would spend , money on, but whether it is of superb quality matters not in the least to this type of collector. Only the Movie and hype it generates sets the market. KnifeMaker.
I really appreciate your honest reviews! It’s a great gun for half the cost but, at 7K no thanks. It seams like TTI is ridding the coattails of the John Wick movies to push over priced guns.
Let start by saying if a man doesn't like 1911's, we can't be friends. I was pissed off awhile back when you made fun of people/guns that were of the 'budget" variety and they were solid weapons at their price point. For example, Tisas, believe it or not, makes all sorts of 1911's that are unbelievably good pistols. Having said that, I owe you a very large apology after seeing this video. Being "fair" is tough on TH-cam. Most that revue guns are on the "take" at some level. You know that as most of us do. I am sorry I lumped you in with those folks. That was a "FTF" on my part. You made a fan out of me and I want to thank you for what you do. You are honest AND fair. Thank you for that. 🙂
Whole lot of people harp on “tolerance” yet don’t understand that “tolerances” are called out on ALL mechanical drawings. Quality control exists to ensure the machines parts are made within those tolerances. A real problem exists if parts for a gun are being made with prints that don’t call out tolerances.
My opinion, but.. I am happy to see y'all call out that its garbage. Throw shade on people who gave it a bit too good of a review. There needs to be more of this in our community, calling out trash regardless of who is behind it. There are far too many that get paid to review it even if its junk and sing how amazing it is. Always be honest and never become shills please!
I agree 100%.....it's a good looking gun with big movie/TTI behind it which turns it into cash grab nd for a better fit & finish gun for 7k I would definitely go the route of handmade nd get your true money's worth........
You don’t want us making you a pistol… 😂 I can say that was a real review. That really took apart the ridiculous price tag and why it’s just not worth 7k. Thanks as always gents.
Great and honest review! I had read on one of the forums that Taran had bought an old patent/design from STI to make the Pit/Sand Vipers (my guess the DVC-P) This was supposedly from a friend of someone currently employed at TTI. Since STI is no more and became Staccato, I would not be surprised if Staccato is supplying the comped barrel, slide and frame to Taran and he has his gunsmith machine all the fancy slide work and drop in a bunch of internals from the top tier brands. That’s my take at least
I believe its Staccato building these. They re- released a limited edition on the JW3 2011's through Staccato for $20,000 for 2 Combat Master 2011's. One being an Island barrel pistol. So I kinda connected the dots when I seen that. If I'm going to spend that kinda coin on a pistol. Im buying an Atlas or an Infinity. I own 2 Staccato's, an XC and a P. That equal the price of this one pistol. I will stick with that.
I completely agree with you, I love the JW franchise and if I ever win the lottery, I'll own every JW gun. But you are right, it's a premade (Mass produced and assembled) gun with a huge markup
If I was to buy any handgun at a top tier price, I would be going to Wilson Combat. And I don't see myself getting one because 3k and 4k is a lot of money.
I couldn’t agree with y’all any more than that; a nighthawk trs sand hawk is 2k cheaper with a aluminum grip and one gunsmith. Not to mention the Vanta 9 blows this gun out of the water Great review!
I agree 100% on this particular gun but metal grip doesn’t always mean better gun. Joe Chambers I believe doesn’t even make guns with metal grips because he believes polymer is better for hard use guns. I like metal grips but his logic makes sense. Chambers is not for everyone, but he undoubtedly is a highly regarded builder in the industry.
Before I finish watching this video I'm going to put my best guess in. I was surprisingly looking for information on who makes the TTI guns less than the week ago, and found nothing. I've held a few TTI pistols in my local gun store, including the sand viper, and I can't dismiss the fact that they are eerily reminiscent of staccato 2011s.
Yep, I just picked up a Staccato C-2 as the Les Baer was getting a little heavy. LOL! Only complaint on the C-2 is the drop in fire control group. No excuse for the hammer hooks and sear nose not to be properly dressed. The hammer hooks still had all the DLC finish on them. I feel a little scammed. OK, more than a little scammed. I called customer service and was told they were hand fit. Seems he didn't know the difference between dropped in by hand, (Not a robot) and actual hand fitting. Pitiful! KnifeMaker
Great review guys, not selling your souls like a lot of “ gun tubers “ that always say everything they review is the best thing happen sense sliced bread ,,, Taran products is overhyped and over priced in general compare to top tier manufacturers that charge less but have 100% better quality and products Stay strong
I have the original Combat Master made by STI (Staccato) And my friend has a newer combat master and a Sand Viper and I must say the build quality is significantly better on the STI combat master. Fit & Finish, Feel, Blending, finish quality, STI definitely puts out a much nicer product than whoever is building these. What's more is the combat master only cost 4k back then! Today's combat master costs 6k for heap of burning garbage. My 2k bull ul viper had better fit n finish.
the TTI licensed airsoft versions have sold in the 10,000's and theyre actually great value as far as airsoft tiers and performance, build and materials quality goes.
I can’t say it’s the only open gun he uses (it’s probably not), but I just saw a picture of Kenshiro Nagato shooting what looked to me like a Sand Viper in open division Steel Challenge. He’s shockingly fast, so it must work decently well. That said, interesting observations. I won’t ever even see one, so it’s not too big a deal to me. Doesn’t sound as nice as other high end 2011s, as you’ve described it.
As a huge fan of the movie and the gun itself i am 100% a shooter. I shoot alot so thank you for the review on this pistol. Ill take your advice "Save yourself 1k and buy a custom nighthawk."
This is just my 2 cents. When it comes to double-stack 1911 or 2011 style pistols, I start with ones from Wilson Combat (even though they are proprietary not conforming exactly to the definations of double-stack 1911 or 2011) and ones from Staccato. I ignore the various low-end ones, may or may not be interested in the various other mid-range to high-end ones later on. When I eventually reach the stage for the high-end ones, I would start with Nighthawk Custom and end with Infinity Firearms.
I would never have bought one to begin with, but this is a great video that validates exactly what i was assuming. Anything with TTI just seems like they're trying to rob you.
Thanks for this review. People could get a Vanta 9 with a high-end optic, multiple extra mags, and a grand to spare. You could also get a fully tricked out Nighthawk BDS9 or if you are looking for a comped 2011 a Sandhawk at that price point. Shame on them for taking people's money like that.
Regarding the grip safety and the checkered mag release, the version you have in the video is the second version of the grip module. I know because i sent TTI an email because the second gen grip doesn’t have the extended checkered mag release (which is the one i have🙄) and they told me they changed them halfway in the run because they ran out of the gen 1 grips. The checkering on the grip is also different. The first gen grip is flush with the grip safety. That was disappointing to say the least. I asked if i could change to the first gen grips and they didn’t have any because they ran out. You can spot the first gen grip because it has 2 screws on the grip vs one screw on the 2nd gen. 😡 TTI’s response: Hello, It looks like you've got the latest batch of our Pit Vipers. Due to supply and demand, we have had to switch to the Gen 2 Grips which are not compatible with the extended magazine release and black trigger.
Thank you, Crispy! Cant wait for the drama to start on this one. That said, i didn't think the gun would be worth it, but damn i didnt think it was gonna be that bad either.
Machinist here, looking at the gun and comparing it against my own collection, I believe this most likely started life as a different gun, and was modified. I'd say they bought a production 2011, had it modified by a 3rd party, and then sold it after it was refinished. Still doesn't make it worth 7k, but it did probably start out as a 3k gun and then had parts changed out. I say that because if the grip was specifically made for that gun and grip safety, it wouldn't need to be fitted by hand but would still fit better. It looks like it was fitted for another safety, and that one was dropped in.
FWIW, the superlative of "loose" is "most loose" not "loosest" but people use "loosest" quite often because so long as we know what message somebody is trying to convey it doesn't really matter. But Chris, like usual, is correct.
I assumed it was a $5k gun with a $2k name. Turns out it's a $3k gun and a $4k name. Thanks for keeping it real!
Absolutely 🤙🏻
4k gun technically. It’s the staccato xs which is about 4500
Always had a feeling that you are really just buying a name with this gun. Thanks for shooting us straight. You guys rock.
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The TTI Glock is a $2000 canik rival
The taran Glock combat mater is still a dressed up Glock for 4 times the price. I can get stock Glock slide cut, stippled, after market trigger and mag well and trijicon sro red dot installed for about $1800 and stilll save 200-300 bucks instead of getting the combat master without red dot
@@forrestblade I haven’t heard about this, what’s the story?
@@S1deshowRob long time ago he had an under aged emplyee name jade there was some questionable things going on maybe a bit creepy but abuser I wouldn't go that far .
Agreed 100%! As an owner of several high end 2011s, I want to know who I call when something goes wrong. Atlas, Infinity, Nighthawk, and even Staccato all have great customer service. Who do I call when my Pit Viper extractor needs to be replaced?! John Wick?!
Haha
John Wick: "Yeah"
Im dead
Staccat is core builder but finishes by TTI terms of aesthetic
It’s funny because it’s true
Your production quality is just hands down some of the best (if not the best) of any firearm reviewers on the Web.
To complement the quality of production, the quality of your review and honesty is also unmatched. The 1911Syndicate is the only channel to call the PitViper the hack it actually is. 👍🏻👌🏻
At least mine was. Maybe the others are amazing 🤷🏼♂️
"Price is never the problem, it's the value I receive in exchange for the price." That statement is so true.
Thanks for being honest about the fact that the gun isn't a good value for the money, unless you're buying it for collectability aspects.
That’s a churched up staccato for twice the price lol
And it isnt any better than the Staccato XC IMO
Never thought I’d say “save your money and just buy a staccato” but come on
There’s no reason to buy this thing, it doesn’t even mount optics and the “fangs” seem like such a gimmick
And now that Staccato has fixed he issue with the thumb safety, (mine is superbly blended). The Grip safety is also well blended. I did have to desensitize it for my smaller hands as I do ride the thumb safety. An Atlas thumb will be next for it. ;
@@michaell397 According to the Staccato rep when I did the Factory Tour they dont have any part of the Sand/Pit Viper build
This.
this has everything that makes for a great video from you all. The best cinematography hands down, 30+ min, and the fireside chat vibe you two bring. great way to start the weekend
Appreciate the kind words, glad you enjoyed it!
Have to comment again. I think a video where you two talk about how YOU would design a 1911 Syndicate gun would be an awesome video. Especially if you managed to cover a more "affordable" model and a model with no regard for price
That would be a blast of a project
This^^ you guys could do a multipart micro-series capturing the fundamental tenets/attributes the weapon "must" & why. The design process, selecting a gunsmith to build the prototype, how the design evolves as the prototype comes together, the acid test of putting the prototype into a performance/pressure testing regime, lessons learned, locate a pro comp shooter to run it in a competition, more lessons learned, final engineering revisions, final production of a small lot hold a competition and with the first prod unit as the top prize, raffle off or sell the remainder form the small lot.
Guys, do a collaboration with Infinity.
@@louarthur7648something along the lines of what InRange and Forgotten Weapons did at the time with the WWSD project
Mayb even sit down with someone to sketch out a rough outline of looks and features for a budget gun, and no limits gun
2 things, One that intro was totally bad ass! Secondly, wow! I am so glad to get your take on this. I loved the looks of the vipers, and in video, they appear to shoot amazing.... It's definitely very helpful to get that deeper look. Thanks for the honesty and attention to the details.
This is literally the only channel you can watch and actually get an honest review!!!! Keep it up fellas!!!! Love the honesty!!!
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Finally someone giving an actual in depth review with honest feedback towards this gun! Thank you
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99.99% of John Wick fans will say this is the best pistol in the world that's worth every penny. Not sure if they would say the same if this pistol cost $3499.99
I've always felt like TTI ordered these guns from staccato, had his gunsmith work the trigger and sent the barrel out for coating MAYBE milled the slide cut outs. More hype than value for that price 100% agreed
About the thumb safety issue that you quoted, Adam from Atlas has mentioned in videos before that safety is designed to be ridden for recoil management. Might not be everyones cup of tea
The mag not dropping free is most likely due to a cheap grip module. When injection molding grip modules like that, there is a shrink rate that happens when the polymer cools that has to be accounted for when creating and sizing the molds. If they don’t get the shrink rate right when creating the molds, you get slightly undersized grip modules.
I worked in the quality lab of a plastic injection molding plant and I can tell you that for something like that plastic grip module to be of consistent quality there would have to be a "magazine shaped " fixture to slide into the grip while it is cooling, even if it had coolant running through the mold before it was ejected from the machine.
@1911syndicate thanks for giving a clear and honest review. Really refreshing to see someone not just blowing smoke, kissing ass and or maybe lining their pockets doing reviews that push a sub par product being sold at premium prices. Makes one seriously question the integrity of some other channels reviewing this and saying its with 7k.
Awesome review guys, you just saved my bank account and me, from making a bad purchase. I came into some money and was shopping around. It came down to a Infinity and Sand Viper. I know all there is about Infinity but not Taran Tactical and yes I do come to this channel to not only get a honest review but a WELL INFORMED review from people who know more, obviously then I do about 2011s.
Again I appreciate the video !
Infinity all day bro
QC issues on a 7K gun should never be considered as an excuse...one bad apple ruins the batch. Will never touch a TT. Thank you 1911 for your honesty
Wow not a 2011 guy but it was always my perception these guns were up there with the big dogs based on the hype. Good looking out.
Your Integrity is Gold. Thank you!!
An awesome combination of content, information, and entertainment.
The following message is not for the creators… This is for the Viewers. “We are all consumers so it’s easy for content creators and gun afficanados to make videos that appeal to our natural confirmation bias”.
Meaning- We buy a gun and we want all of the videos to be positive.
These guys aren’t afraid to call it how they see it. Thats admirable, that’s American, That’s freedom of speech and honesty at its finest. If you don’t understand and appreciate that then keep being a directionless consumer.
1911 Syndicate is the truth
For $7K I'd have a 2019 Chambers Custom WMG a BUNCH of both magazines and ammo.
Or you can get the Erebus, a real race gun
Shhh. Don’t let him know one of the best 2011 pattern guns sold has a polymer grip too.
I worked for STI/Staccato during John Wick3 and WE made all the OG CombatMaster pistols and the Frame is marked with STI symbol and the slide was marked TTI
So who did the JW4 CM?
@@headshot69ableTaran will not tell anyone. But it’s not staccato. Staccato just re-released their version in a box set
He has a bunch of in house and contract gunsmiths building for him
Right I really don’t believe staccato is making this one
no theyre not making the new one i know too many people there they would have told me@@1911syndicate
Major props! Slick Broll and a crisp edit. Your content and production value is what all of us strive for.
Crispy thanks you!
My gun club brought this gun in and we all had a chance to fire and discuss. A fine shooting gun, but people picked up on the grip and safety. $7000.00? This gun will fall from grace as time goes on, like the Luago Alien. I can go to Hayes Custom and build a killer 2011 for $4000 to whatever price I want. A custom milled, hand fitted, best components, and finish with a host of cosmetic choices. Plus, the Hayes family are awesome and the nicest people.
BRAVO! Thank you for a rational and realistic look at this pistol and the following it has.
My pit viper had the same fit and finish issues, I sent mine back for a full refund. TTI gave me a full refund without any problems. This all happened back in May, I contemplated making a video but I literally shipped it back the next day. Thanks for making this video, this needed to be put out in the wild.
I just ordered one and now I’m am second guessing the purchase.
Hell yes. Someone finally calling bullshit on the Taran - Wick hype machine. Should not be a surprise that the guy who tapes over his charlies and calls them alphas would cut corners on both design and manufacturing and sell at a silly inflated price to the simps. We need more reviews like this that critically examine the engineering behind the marketing.
Hey I’m just here to shoot the guns and talk about it
The main difference is that we can now use our pace again. For the last 2 yearss we've been pressing so high up the pitch that it kept the opposition pinned back and there was no space to make any runs behind the defence. This way we force the opposition to come for out for the ball, which leaves so much space to make runs in behind.
I have worked on one of Tarans sand vipers. Pretty sure optimum manufacturing is making his slides. There is little to no hand fitting and you can really tell from the extractor fit along with the beaver tail engagement, slide to frame, and the sear springs are stock very little polishing or relieving and same with sear. The issue you had is hammer following into the halfcock. This is likely from how the after travel on the trigger itself was setup which can very from Mags believe it or not. It should be adjusted with a mag in the gun.
I loved the John wick series lol. I watch it on a plane with no volume and I don’t miss a thing lol
Really love the honest content fellas!
Do our best to be honest and truthful 👊🏼
Staccato base Taran dressings paying for logos, and John Wick lore…if that’s your thing more power
You’re not a hater and this firearm is high flown for no reason. Great job guys.
I've never been a fan of exclusive guns but I'd buy yours if there was a collaboration project
One day we shall. Not until it’s the right time where we’ve got a good idea
Excellent review and commentary. Wonder how TTI will respond, if at all. I have never been into the Glam gun craze with colored parts, wild slide cuts, and all the other BS that draws your eye. I guess for the movies it makes sense but IMHO if the customization is not purely functional in a positive sense, then there is no practical operational value.
I fully agree on your final assessment, save yer bucks and buy a Nighthawk Custom. I bought a NH T3 many years ago and it is hands down the finest 1911 I have ever fired. The trigger is sublime in operation and the fit and finish of the weapon is impeccable.
Keep up the great work fellas.
Bul Armory for the average joe, Staccato for the person that can save up a bit more, INFINITY for the dream gun 6-7k worth.. shot my brothers Atlas Athena, it felt in a whole different league than my C2 or anything else for that matter, but it did not shoot like a 5-6k gun over a 2-3k gun imho.
As price goes up on custom guns, the return in refinement is a lower %. The way it is in any mechanical project. guns, Race Engines, you name it. it is game of diminishing returns. But it is legitimate. No owner of an INfinity or Atlas would argue the point.
KnifeMaker
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate: Jake is 75% more Jeremy Clarkson in the intro and 25% John Wick from pintress , the gentrified rubber targets gets brutalized by Taran's expensive creation, and Chris goes back in time when he was a seedy alley gun salesyeti.....
And on that bombshell. . .
BACK TO THE STUDIO!!!
Freakin nailed it
Mine's better!
Great, honest review! Not only has The Devil’s Child improved his shooting skills, but also his acting, too. 👏
Thank you very much
Right? Dude is stepping it up lately
Realest gun review I’ve seen in a while. Great job fellas.
Shows you how much gun companies have co-opted most other YT channels.
It is a little strange TTI doesn't tell you who makes the pistols. You would think that would be a selling point they would want to brag about. The fact that some one won a shooting competition with it really doesn't do much for me. World class competitors can probably kick ass with a Glock 34 too. Also, I really appreciate how you went into detail on what you saw wrong with the pistol. That grip fitment looks like it would hurt my hands after a shooting session. And I have calloused up farmer's hands.
It’s a staccato. Staccato does limited release “John wick” gun packages for like 10k-20k for 2 guns… randomly and dipsticks suck them up.
World class competitors "DO" kick ass with a Glock 34
@@hks956 I thought so, I just don't really follow what competitors are using. Thanks for your input!
Caniks whole claim to fame in competition circles is that they bought some great shooters for their team and they were able to win with a Canik.
Buy a Canik and training ammo for the remaining like $6000+ and you too might win a competition.
@@Dentlessthey did that once and might have made those, but the majority of them are made by someone else. Unfortunately I don’t know who as I didn’t know them when it was told to me or I might have remembered. Hell Staccato (at the time, STI) only made the first batch or so of the Combat Master. Eventually the rest of those were made elsewhere also.
I love the TTI pit viper, but I do think that it’s only worth half the price that it is currently costing to purchase right now. Even though I’ll probably end up paying to get it one day anyways.
Glad you guys willing to call it out. Yes it looks good & Hollywood that’s it.
No single firearm is worth 7k. The value worth return on that is massively upside down. Hype is spot on.
I have a Bul Armory SAS Tac II w/ an optic that cost me 2K
I have huge buyers remorse despite knowing I saved about 1K over a similarly optioned Staccato
It’s my fav gun and I live shooting it but 2K🤦🏾
I can’t imagine paying 7K for a pistol
An emotional response but not a legitimate one. There are many firearms worth many hundreds of thousands of Dollars. Some Millions. Fine Purdy and Holland and Holland Double Rifles for instance made for Royalty and are the envy or any collector of fine guns and art.
If you own one of many of these fine firearms', you can command an extravagant amount and have huge profit. As will the buyer in just a few years. Same with very high end Custom Knives. For the most collectable of them, the return is much higher than just about any investment you could possibly make and be guaranteed a very Health proffit.
Are these worth it in you mind. Nope. Are they worth it financially, H*ll Yes!
(Is a vintage rolex worth than a brand spanking new Timex). If and only if you understand the market value and money.
What sucks in this instance is the inflated price due to the item being a movie fan must have. is it well made, Nope. Desirable to the movie buff, yep in many cases. There are movie props sold every day at high end auctions that bring huge amounts of money. All due to provenance. It is what it is. In this case, it is only a copy of a prop, but apparently authorised. Not something I would spend , money on, but whether it is of superb quality matters not in the least to this type of collector. Only the Movie and hype it generates sets the market.
KnifeMaker.
Thanks for the honest review. You guys rock! I'll stick with my SA TRP.
Trp is for sure a better option.
I really appreciate your honest reviews! It’s a great gun for half the cost but, at 7K no thanks. It seams like TTI is ridding the coattails of the John Wick movies to push over priced guns.
Love your honesty !! Came here after your review of Mandy, and I have to say I’d take Mandy over the TPV any day of the week.
Let start by saying if a man doesn't like 1911's, we can't be friends. I was pissed off awhile back when you made fun of people/guns that were of the 'budget" variety and they were solid weapons at their price point. For example, Tisas, believe it or not, makes all sorts of 1911's that are unbelievably good pistols. Having said that, I owe you a very large apology after seeing this video. Being "fair" is tough on TH-cam. Most that revue guns are on the "take" at some level. You know that as most of us do. I am sorry I lumped you in with those folks. That was a "FTF" on my part. You made a fan out of me and I want to thank you for what you do. You are honest AND fair. Thank you for that. 🙂
Cheers mate
I love these long videos and the honesty. Keep them coming.
Jake and Crispy are nailing it 👊🏼
I recognize that alley way.....Next to Gallensons gun shop. Cool video again.....thanks.
Whole lot of people harp on “tolerance” yet don’t understand that “tolerances” are called out on ALL mechanical drawings.
Quality control exists to ensure the machines parts are made within those tolerances.
A real problem exists if parts for a gun are being made with prints that don’t call out tolerances.
Its 7k MSRP. At time of writing, pushing 10k. When should the consumer expect some quality assurance?
Your honesty is honorable. As a man who’s died… there’s no time for bullshit. I thank you. Honestly
My opinion, but.. I am happy to see y'all call out that its garbage. Throw shade on people who gave it a bit too good of a review. There needs to be more of this in our community, calling out trash regardless of who is behind it. There are far too many that get paid to review it even if its junk and sing how amazing it is. Always be honest and never become shills please!
That said, I have never seen the actual guns that were reviewed elsewhere. They may be great guns. I have a sample size of 1
I agree 100%.....it's a good looking gun with big movie/TTI behind it which turns it into cash grab nd for a better fit & finish gun for 7k I would definitely go the route of handmade nd get your true money's worth........
Y’all’s production value is incredible
I'm glad I have the sand viper because it seems to be missing all of the pitfalls of the pit viper (no pun intended)
Thank you so much for telling us how you feel. Tell it like it is! That’s why I have subscribed! The best of videos ever!
That cigar Chris is puffing on is probably a 7x50 Churchill that he makes look like a cigarillo.
I am glad I did my research before delving into the pit viper before my infinity. This video proves my purchase thankfully 😂…..
Of course it’s not the top, but most of the time the name makes a difference in long run. I just bought and I think it’s good to add to collection!!!
You don’t want us making you a pistol… 😂
I can say that was a real review. That really took apart the ridiculous price tag and why it’s just not worth 7k. Thanks as always gents.
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The dynamic between you two is just precious!
Lol
John should have kept the P30L
Your reviews are very impressive, many thanks.
Great and honest review! I had read on one of the forums that Taran had bought an old patent/design from STI to make the Pit/Sand Vipers (my guess the DVC-P) This was supposedly from a friend of someone currently employed at TTI. Since STI is no more and became Staccato, I would not be surprised if Staccato is supplying the comped barrel, slide and frame to Taran and he has his gunsmith machine all the fancy slide work and drop in a bunch of internals from the top tier brands. That’s my take at least
Sounds reasonable but if you can find a close up of the Sand Viery, it clearly says Staccato 2011 on the frame!
KnifeMaker
Before JW4 dropped this pistol you could get for low $4k direct from TTI
Buddy wants exclusive products, but also doesn’t want it to have an exclusive price tag.
Bro have you looked through our channel? We’re not strangers to exclusive products
I believe its Staccato building these. They re- released a limited edition on the JW3 2011's through Staccato for $20,000 for 2 Combat Master 2011's. One being an Island barrel pistol. So I kinda connected the dots when I seen that. If I'm going to spend that kinda coin on a pistol. Im buying an Atlas or an Infinity. I own 2 Staccato's, an XC and a P. That equal the price of this one pistol. I will stick with that.
Not anymore
@@jvz1448why is that?
@@SleepyNineNot sure the reason but they made the previous Taran versions. The new manufacture is a mystery
I'd laugh my ass off if it was Tisas or Girsan or some other clone company.
Honestly I’ve got no clue. I only know that I haven’t figured it out yet
I completely agree with you, I love the JW franchise and if I ever win the lottery, I'll own every JW gun. But you are right, it's a premade (Mass produced and assembled) gun with a huge markup
If I was to buy any handgun at a top tier price, I would be going to Wilson Combat. And I don't see myself getting one because 3k and 4k is a lot of money.
I couldn’t agree with y’all any more than that; a nighthawk trs sand hawk is 2k cheaper with a aluminum grip and one gunsmith. Not to mention the Vanta 9 blows this gun out of the water Great review!
I agree 100% on this particular gun but metal grip doesn’t always mean better gun. Joe Chambers I believe doesn’t even make guns with metal grips because he believes polymer is better for hard use guns. I like metal grips but his logic makes sense. Chambers is not for everyone, but he undoubtedly is a highly regarded builder in the industry.
NH grips have bad ergos, feels like a bar of soap. Just sold my sand hawk. Fowler blows it out of the water? Subjective.
$7k with irons only?
@@jvz1448 Joe Chambers wouldn't charge 7k for a none hand fitted 1911/2011 made from a parts bin...
@@BrianKern2121 exactly
Agreed
Chris has great taste in cigars the Neanderthal is 🔥🔥
You know it dude 👊🏼👊🏼
I agree with the metal grip opinion. My MPA DS9 is 2500 and comes with aluminum grip.
Jake woke up and chose violence 😂😂
Lol. I mean….
Before I finish watching this video I'm going to put my best guess in. I was surprisingly looking for information on who makes the TTI guns less than the week ago, and found nothing. I've held a few TTI pistols in my local gun store, including the sand viper, and I can't dismiss the fact that they are eerily reminiscent of staccato 2011s.
Looks to me, Staccato builds them too..... However he states Staccato is far better
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Yep, I just picked up a Staccato C-2 as the Les Baer was getting a little heavy. LOL! Only complaint on the C-2 is the drop in fire control group. No excuse for the hammer hooks and sear nose not to be properly dressed. The hammer hooks still had all the DLC finish on them. I feel a little scammed. OK, more than a little scammed. I called customer service and was told they were hand fit. Seems he didn't know the difference between dropped in by hand, (Not a robot) and actual hand fitting. Pitiful!
KnifeMaker
Great review!! Saved me $$$$🤙
Great review guys, not selling your souls like a lot of “ gun tubers “ that always say everything they review is the best thing happen sense sliced bread ,,,
Taran products is overhyped and over priced in general compare to top tier manufacturers that charge less but have 100% better quality and products
Stay strong
The co host seems to be more like a sidekick in this video just puffing a cigar and adding “yup” “yeah” “right” lol
Good on you guys for not being afraid to slaughter a sacred cow. Always thought these things seemed obscenely priced, even for a custom 2011
I have the original Combat Master made by STI (Staccato) And my friend has a newer combat master and a Sand Viper and I must say the build quality is significantly better on the STI combat master. Fit & Finish, Feel, Blending, finish quality, STI definitely puts out a much nicer product than whoever is building these. What's more is the combat master only cost 4k back then! Today's combat master costs 6k for heap of burning garbage. My 2k bull ul viper had better fit n finish.
the TTI licensed airsoft versions have sold in the 10,000's and theyre actually great value as far as airsoft tiers and performance, build and materials quality goes.
I can’t say it’s the only open gun he uses (it’s probably not), but I just saw a picture of Kenshiro Nagato shooting what looked to me like a Sand Viper in open division Steel Challenge. He’s shockingly fast, so it must work decently well. That said, interesting observations. I won’t ever even see one, so it’s not too big a deal to me. Doesn’t sound as nice as other high end 2011s, as you’ve described it.
Love the top gear throwback
As a huge fan of the movie and the gun itself i am 100% a shooter. I shoot alot so thank you for the review on this pistol. Ill take your advice "Save yourself 1k and buy a custom nighthawk."
Damn. This the same guy? Aged like 10 years since last time i saw this channel 10 months ago. Must be the beard.
I just look at HO footage of the gun, there is different thumb Safety, the press safety is feeted good in HO gun. So mabe they are different gun :).
That gun is like a local Hibachi steak dinner..... $1 worth of steak....and $15 worth of rice. Y'all are great and funny AF!
This is just my 2 cents. When it comes to double-stack 1911 or 2011 style pistols, I start with ones from Wilson Combat (even though they are proprietary not conforming exactly to the definations of double-stack 1911 or 2011) and ones from Staccato. I ignore the various low-end ones, may or may not be interested in the various other mid-range to high-end ones later on. When I eventually reach the stage for the high-end ones, I would start with Nighthawk Custom and end with Infinity Firearms.
Good guns for sure 👍🏻
Precious review
I would never have bought one to begin with, but this is a great video that validates exactly what i was assuming. Anything with TTI just seems like they're trying to rob you.
Thanks for this review. People could get a Vanta 9 with a high-end optic, multiple extra mags, and a grand to spare. You could also get a fully tricked out Nighthawk BDS9 or if you are looking for a comped 2011 a Sandhawk at that price point. Shame on them for taking people's money like that.
And we love Calvin 🙌🏼
the Gen2 that you have is now build by Staccato
Great and honest review calling out the scammers. Stay true. A lot of people are out there to take advantage of the uninformed
Regarding the grip safety and the checkered mag release, the version you have in the video is the second version of the grip module. I know because i sent TTI an email because the second gen grip doesn’t have the extended checkered mag release (which is the one i have🙄) and they told me they changed them halfway in the run because they ran out of the gen 1 grips. The checkering on the grip is also different. The first gen grip is flush with the grip safety. That was disappointing to say the least. I asked if i could change to the first gen grips and they didn’t have any because they ran out. You can spot the first gen grip because it has 2 screws on the grip vs one screw on the 2nd gen. 😡
TTI’s response:
Hello,
It looks like you've got the latest batch of our Pit Vipers. Due to supply and demand, we have had to switch to the Gen 2 Grips which are not compatible with the extended magazine release and black trigger.
You should of got your money back or at least a discount.
Whoa!!! That’s so crazy. Wild
I appreciate the honesty. Thanks guys.
Thank you, Crispy! Cant wait for the drama to start on this one.
That said, i didn't think the gun would be worth it, but damn i didnt think it was gonna be that bad either.
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As a sponsored pro Balisong flipper watching this video, I can confirm we are indeed nerdy about our knives.
lol thank you
Machinist here, looking at the gun and comparing it against my own collection, I believe this most likely started life as a different gun, and was modified. I'd say they bought a production 2011, had it modified by a 3rd party, and then sold it after it was refinished. Still doesn't make it worth 7k, but it did probably start out as a 3k gun and then had parts changed out. I say that because if the grip was specifically made for that gun and grip safety, it wouldn't need to be fitted by hand but would still fit better. It looks like it was fitted for another safety, and that one was dropped in.
Thank you for a true review!
FWIW, the superlative of "loose" is "most loose" not "loosest" but people use "loosest" quite often because so long as we know what message somebody is trying to convey it doesn't really matter. But Chris, like usual, is correct.
Lol
Great fun!!! As always!!