I've been a paramedic for 23 years and in all that time I have never transported someone that took a shotgun hit to the torso. I've had plenty of patients survive handgun wounds and even some that survived rifle rounds to the torso, but people hit with a load of buckshot are usually dead before we get there or shortly after. Not saying that it is the best HD gun (or what I use even), but it is a fight stopper for sure.
@jermedic . Great points. It’s a damn good fight stopper and they are devastating. The points he made about Jury’s are valid too. My only issue is that Shotguns, especially pumps require a much higher level of training and proficiency than most people put in at the range these days . Anyone that has seen what they can do can attest to the weapon’s effectiveness. If you were a medic and you’ve seen those wounds, you know what you are talking about. 👍 The price of ammo and the times that we are in can highly dictate one’s ability to train up to be effective with one. Most people generally won’t put the time in at the range to get truly proficient In reloads, understanding what different loads do at distance and most importantly malfunction clearing. I wish that weren’t the case.
@@stevieseasalt Great point. I put in a fair bit of practice on my pump shotgun, but it is very obvious when I haven't run it in a few months and that is why it isn't my go to gun. It is a quickly perishable skill, more so under stress. People that recommend a pump gun for a HD gun to someone that doesn't train or know much about firearms in general sorely estimate how easy it is to short stroke the gun, forget a safety, or even the need to aim in the context home defensive ranges.
@@jermedicgreat points, well said. The short stroke and all of the issues you mentioned are valid. It all comes down to training. We are on the same page. I was trying to make the same points under another comment to this video and one reader got his ego hurt. You and I have the humility to agree, the short stroke is a real issue. It’s happened to me. I don’t train with it as much. In my original post I mentioned 100 rounds a range session but comparing to 9mm…. I should have said 500-700 rounds per range session. That’s a lot of money to put down.. in Ammo.. Most people can’t do it. I know I can’t.
@@jermedic I 100% agree with you. You summarized my points better than I did in my original post lol. Shotguns are great but…… insert commentary from people that train and understand why and why they aren’t great for everyone.
"Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor." - Clint Smith
“shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor”…and the wall, the windows, the ceiling and your yard.
@@1911syndicatenah bro y’all used to act like a shotgun was like a complete waste of time you guys are wishy washy I wouldn’t take advice from someone who changes their mind after having such a strong opinion like this video just makes y’all look stupid they way you used to talk to them acting like shotguns are garbage and only talking about the flaws they have like it’s just weird bro for real like how you gonna change your mind like that
Earnest did an AMAZING job describing the benefits and limitiations of the shotgun. The nuiance needed to do that is not lost, here. Thanks guys. One of your better PSA videos, for sure.
I'm sorry, in the first 30 seconds or so I'm yelling at the screen, "apparently neither of you live on a farm or ranch"! The first firearm I always and I mean, always grab first when I hear something in the middle of the night is a shotgun. Real world situations, when you do not know what you will be facing weather it's inside or outside, you want a tool that you can immediately change the type of ammunition to fit the situation. My 1301 has light for identification and several types ammunition attached to it to make quick changes. From Badgers, raccoons, snakes, to other peoples animals. The options shotguns have are pretty hard to beat.
Most people who have ar rifles think they’re the best because the army uses them. What they forget is that the army uses them in a group setting to pepper barely visible enemies several hundred yards away. The likelihood that I’m ever shooting at anybody more than 100 yards away is remote. I have ars mostly because I didn’t think hard enough and now I have a lot of ammo. 33 rounds might be good. But, 7:16 All in all, the shotgun is a better choice.
@@JeepCherokeefulI disagree. If someone can only have one firearm then it has to be a handgun. Rifles and shotguns are secondary weapons for non-military personnel. Think about it. You can carry a handgun inside and outside of the home. Concealed carries available on all 50 states. You can't walk around the street with an AR-15, and even if you could they would be horrible to conceal. So the question is do you want a weapon that's really good at protecting you only when you're at home and leaves you defenseless whenever you leave the home for art with an arms reach of your weapon, or would you rather have a firearm that's pretty good at protecting you 24/7. The reality is they're very few Home defense problems that can't be solved with a Glock 19 that could be solved with a AR-15. They exist, but they're extraordinarily rare, much rarer than needing a firearm outside of the home.
I'm an old guy now but I served as an LEO for a large portion of my life, I was lucky enough to Instruct at Agency and Academy level. My experience with the shotgun was that if the shooter was of average build and worked with the gun, they were quick and lethal with less training than the pistol required. The only issue we saw was small stature officers having issues, due to gun fit. But if they chose to train they could overcome the disadvantage. It was also common (In my midwestern state) to have young men come into training that had been hunting and shooting shotguns their entire lives. Those guys were almost always just a little training away from being masters with just picking up some loading (select slug, shooting/loading from empty) training. As the muscle memory for the shotgun was ingrained in them from years of shooting. Yes the shotgun takes a long time to master, but "Police Proficient" was not a hard bar for Recruits to reach. Also I had conversations with quite a few people who were shot with handgun rounds, during my career as we waited for and I gave medical assistance. I never spoke with a single person who was hit with a shotgun fired in anger...
Former LEO handgun and shotgun instructor. One of my best shotgun pupils was a Latin Girl who was about 5'5" 130lbs. She owned that 870. Could not agree with you more about the lethality of a load of buckshot or a slug, those are not folks who are repeat offenders. Agencies with half a brain issue buckshot AND slugs, it's like having two different guns. If LAPD patrol had slugs during the North Hollywood bank robbery, it may have ended long before SWAT arrived.
@@calamaridog while the slugs may not have penetrated their body armor, the organs behind it wouldn't know the difference, and they would've taken a seat REAL quick, LOL!
@@TheOGMattBurns Yep, it's why I love slugs. Doesn't matter if they're wearing body armor or not. Get hit with a slug, dead or not, you're out of the fight
Nice to see shotguns being recognized as great HD weapons. A shotgun was the standard go to for police, swat, home defense, Close quarters, and trench warfare for many years. And they are still as effective as ever. If not 10X more so with the modern combat and hunting shotguns like the 1301 and M4 variants. I got my first shotgun at 12 yrs old for Christmas in 1986. Mossberg 500 in mossy oak camo (back then it just looked like a rattle can job) with full, mod, and Improved choke tubes. It is still the only hunting shotgun I have ever owned. Until I was 25 yrs old all I had was my Shotgun and a Pump .22 rifle. I trained with a Mossberg 590 in the Marine Corps in 1994 and l bought one a few years later with a 7 shot tube. My Wife has a Mossberg 500 in 20 Ga, and I also keep a Mossberg 500 rifled barrel slug gun with Sabots hidden in the garage. I have shot them so much over the last 38 yrs since that Christmas when I was 12 its just second nature. Hunted with it all over the country from California to FL, Mi, Ohio even the Gulf of Mexico for ducks. I have AR's, Ak's and pistols but the tactical Mossberg 590 stays by the bed and has since I have been out on my own.
This might be one of your best videos in my opinion. I'm a retired federal agent. I thought it was a bad idea when we phased out the shotgun to run rifles only. I know of several bad guys shot with ARs (even multiple times) that lived. Not so much for those hit with the shotgun.
I keep a shotgun for home defense. I grew up shooting shotguns, a lot. Our entire family used to compete in trap, skeet meets, did dove hunting, turkey, qual, etc hunting. I learned a LOT about tactical shotguns in the Army. Retired now, at 65, I still prefer a shotgun. Thanks for having this man on the video. He does know what he is talking about. Yes, I still practice quite a bit because I love shooting (all manner of firearms) but to stay sharp as well. It takes more effort as you age but can be done.
I live out in the country and I use a benneli m4 for HD . I’m not planning on engaging out past 25 yds and if 9 rds of 00 buck don’t take care of it I’m fucked anyway. We used them in house clearing in Ramadi ( we were ordered not to and only to use them on doors but I can confirm there are a lot less bearded doors with us now ) . At 25 yds and in it’s devastating. No need for more .
100% yet a slug can clearly take out at a target at 100 yards.. but like you said.. no reason to engage that far in reality. were not at war in the afghan mountains
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My beginner advice "Buy once, Cry once" meaning it is better to buy a quality product one time rather than have to constantly replace or repair cheap stuff just to upgrade to quality later anyway. And resist the urge to impulse buy after watching a review and seriously ask yourself " Is this item really useful or could this money be better spent on ammo and training?"
Yeah it has only been the last 10 years or so that shotguns are "not a good choice", but I think they are already making a comeback in the tactical world.
So you've never heard of Clint Smith huh? "Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor." - Clint Smith 83 Reply
I love seeing more people loving shotguns. I wish more people would show number 4 buck as well. Imagine 27 "22LR" rounds flying at you at 12 to 1400 fps. OUCH!!!
Semi auto shotguns are a game changer! I have the mossberg 940 tactical and ive modified it a bit. I will go into the zombie apocalypse with that thing. One of my favorite.
“Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns with the right load and the right range will physically remove a chuck of shit of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor! Gotta be the right load at the right range.” *smiles* -Clint Smith
The disfavor of shotguns seems to come on the heels of the "soldier gear = good, everything else = fudd" mentality that has defined 2A culture since the bro-vets brought it back from the GWOT. People have forgotten that civilian self/home-defense looks nothing like combat. There's no suppressive fire. There are no long-range engagements. There's no patrolling. There's no kit. There's no reloading. Almost every characteristic of a rifle that makes it good for combat is irrelevant in realistic civilian gun use. Don't get me wrong, I think every civilian has the right to get kitted up for maximum LARP. But in no conceivable home defense scenario are you going to utilize the range, capacity, ammo carrying ability, etc. afforded by a modern rifle. Shotguns make a TON of sense for civilians when you look at the data for civilian gun use... short time, short range, and low round-count. What comes to mind when you think of a weapon good for short range, low round-count use where there will be no supporting kit worn? Its literally an HD shotgun.
Well said. Shotguns are for when it's going to be settled in the next .5 seconds one way or the other. A fair % of former service members don't want to be taken out of their AR comfort zone.
Just watched the video. Thank you so much guys. My home defense weapon of choice is the shotgun. It has been for years since James Yeager's combat shotgun class taught me how to effectively set up and utilize it. Love the video. Subscribed and shared!!
Just got my Benelli M4 Gen2 LE and LOVE it!! Shotguns leave meat on the ground, wall, ceiling. The most versatile tool that probably holds the record for one shot victories.
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I wasnt big on shotguns until I trained with one. Changed my mind in one day! Just got my Mossberg 590 and saving up to get on of these 1301 later this year. I cannot wait!
Old Shotgun junkie here. Two of my favorites have Vang Comp barrels on them. Absolutely incredible patterns and slug accuracy, it was the way to go before they came out with $6 a shot Federal flight control wads.
Interestingly I have always had shotguns. But just started to build a Mossberg 930 as a budget home defense weapon. Waiting on one final part to arrive, the extended magazine to make it 9 + 1!
"I've never heard someone that I respect recommend a shot gun as a home defense tool" a five second browser search would suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks Guys, for a great overall video. This is if not the best,then in the top 3 familiarizing shot gun videos ive seen this year. And also entertaining enough to be easy to watch.
I respect that you guys asked a lot of questions. I grew up hunting birds with shotguns and did so unsupervised since age 12 yo (legal in NC upon completing a hunter safety course). I am 41 yo now. I did not realize that guys with a firearm TH-cam channel could know so little about shotguns. I feel foolish but While watching the video I realized most men don’t have fathers and uncles who took them and their brothers and cousins hunting and it’s hard to get into as an adult. I recommend going skeet shooting a few times, getting a hunting license and for your first few times pay for a guide to try bird hunting in your state who will do all the work for you. You could also join a hunting club. Hunters are friendly for the most part and as long as you are respectful there are plenty of guys who wouldn’t mind bringing you along. Which game you pursue depends on what’s prevalent in your area. Scatterguns are most in their element bird hunting. Talking about shotguns will never bring the same understanding as using them.
My Remington 870.Wingmaster 12 gauge cut down to 21 inches with a Choate magazine tube extension and Choate tube barrel clamp. That was by myside dyring the Rodney King Riots when i lived in LA. Party packed with alternating 00 buck and sabot slug hollowpoints. A Colt 1911 government was my sidearm with 8+1 of JHP.. Never felt undergunned or less well protected.
Langdon Tactical Rocks!!! Another great shotgun enthusiast and legend along with Paul Harrell and Clint Smith. Plus they trick out the HK P30, I’m still hoping to get mine worked on soon. Absolute Legend.
Having the courage to change one's judgments after being presented with new evidence is a sign of honesty and increases, not decreases, one's credibility.
100% I carry a sig x with a holosun. Lil tiny gun. I shoot lights out with it. I own 10 pistols. There all gathering dust. My wife has a shield ez. She doesn’t want another one to play with. 100% sir!
More people need to watch this. For one the education factor because soooo many people have misconceptions about shotguns and their use/place in this day and age.
What you guys said about scatterguns a year ago is exactly what I told people asking me “what’s the best HD gun?” I just recently put a benelli m4 on my wife’s side of the bed but I still keep a bcm next to mine. The way I see it they both fuck and the m4 can pop a top as a 2nd line of defense. Thanks for the Friday night vibes and another trip down LTT’s rabbit hole. The 1301 from those guys is in my queue. 🤘
I'm sorry my man but you're totally wrong. For 100 plus years the 12-gauge shotgun has been used by Farmers to protect their home and livestock. Veterans from World War I and World War II would attest that the shotgun at his place in home defense. Even Vietnam veterans said in lieu of a rifle a shotgun is a very formidable firearm for home defense in an up and close situation. In the 1920s shotguns were used when people were armed with Thompson submachine guns to give them a fighting chance in subduing the attacker. World War I prove The lethality of the 12K shotgun in trench warfare. For home defense my choice has always been the 12-gauge shotgun with a handgun for backup.
I'm former Active Duty U.S. Marine Infantry. Nearly 10 years in a specialized Counter Terrorism Unit L.E. I'm a gun enthusiast and have had professional specialized tactical training over the years with Special Forces memeber with the U.S. Army Special Forces, Australian Special Forces, and with memembers of DEVGRU. I am NOT special forces nor was I ever. Just did a lot of specialized training with them in the L.E. CounterTerrorism world. In addition I've done specialized tactical training with Police SWAT teams from different agencies as well as with the FBI. I myself was also an instructor for helping to train tactical officers in CQB SWAT style tactics for Counter Terrorism or Mass shooters situations. That being all said. I have a shotgun as one of my go to home defense guns. I would never overlook a good shotgun for tactical SHTF/Home Defense use.
Nice to see our combat shotguns (18"-20" barrels) get some love. Hornady also makes a "Tite Wad"/flight control 8-pellet double-aught (00) buckshot to 1600 fps called Critical Defense. We're stocked w/ some of that but mostly standard velocity (1300 fps) and LE (lower-) velocity (1050) 9-pellet doublle-aught buckshot 12 gauge rounds. 00 buck winds up being .32-.33 caliber, 8 or 9 of 'em, with one trigger pull. A 1301 is on the short list but meanwhile we rock updated 870 Wingmasters wearing 18" barrels and a "Texas tactical" Rem 1100, 18" Rem barrel and WC one-shot mag extension, Rem competition carrier and a Brownells combat bolt handle. Great vid, fellers! I've had to eat my hat on occasion, too. Stay safe! Stay healthy and good shootin'! to you.
I appreciate you addressing your previous transgressions. I saw one of your earlier videos and thought, "Another smug gun content creator. See yuh". The growth is appreciable. You have earned a subscriber.
Shotgun fan boy here, I’m glad you owned your words, at the end of the day each gun is a tool for a specific job. Shotguns are devastating for up close work.
I almost set half of Utah on fire with my 1301 and dragons breath ammo. Luckily, I brought a fire extinguisher and a wife who's apparently a firefighter.
We are a very small FFL in AZ close to his shop. I got a 1301 and a P30 worked on by LTT and even though the order was small, they were extremely detail oriented and attentive. I had the pleasure of talking to his wife a few times and she is super nice and really funny. I was so impressed with the shotgun that I kept it and I will likely keep the P30 as well lol. Can’t recommend them enough.
Cool! If you're going the pump action route - beware of the Magpul fore-end furniture. I love and recommend Magpul Buttstock (It's a great piece of kit), but the fore-end grip is not very ergonomic - it's honestly not great. (it does add M-lok slots for mounting points) You'll see a lot of guys running it on TH-cam - But it's slippery, bulky and doesn't feel very natural in the hand. If you want to replace your fore-end, I'd honestly go another route. I wish reviews had been more honest about it. I hope you have a blast with the new shotgun. ✌️
I lean more towards the M41A Pulse rifle and you get added benefit of a grenade launcher, and if you need more fire power(pun intended) just lash the M240 Incinerator to the side 🔥
I get my pockets and belt loops caught on drawer handles and such in my house all the time, when the lights are on. I can easily see a sling in the dark being a magnet for that sort of thing.
Have been a huge fan of the Beretta 1301 for a long time. Got my first one back when they were about half the current price. Federal flite-control buckshot is the way to go! If you can find any of the high density buckshot, it is something special. Out of a Gen 1 Beretta 1301 (fixed choke) was getting all 9 pellets on half size silhouette targets at just over 45 yards. Using a gen 2 version with a Carlson turkey choke and turkey ammunition. Shooting some of the 8 x11 paper turkey targets. At 45 yards it shot just as well as a dedicated turkey shotgun. Using the same turkey choke and Federal Prairie Storm #6 ammunition. They patterned just as well or slightly better the super expensive turkey specific ammunition. Although there was a very noticeable difference in penatration of the plywood backstop. The tungsten alloy shot of the turkey ammunition just blasts through 1/2 plywood at 45 yards. The tungsten alloy buckshot shoots a tighter patter than the copper plated buckshot. The high density buckshot just destroys the plywood backstop and the supporting 2x4s. Tru-ball slugs are very accurate, but the 1600fps version kicks like anything.
You made my day... I´m a lefty and i had ordered my 1301 Gen2 three month ago.. But Germany is just waiting for the fde one´s i had ordered. Black one´s in the shop´s right now.
Some may not believe this, but I was messing around with my Mossberg 930 tactical setup. I was able to accurately shoot Brenneke 3” Black Magic slugs (605 grain) on a man size target at 250 yards, using a standard red dot optic - no magnification. Amazing to consider that possible out of a smooth bore! It is my go to bear gun. But I recently got a Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol. Can’t wait to see if it will shoot as well at distance.
Great video. I’m a professional, full time firearms trainer and I’ve always been a proponent of the scatter gun as a home defense tool, but….. You guys did a great job highlighting the advantages while still addressing the need for thought and training if this is going to be your choice. Now I’m gonna go do reload drills in my kitchen with my 590a1. Yea I’m using dummy rounds and you should too, dummy!
No guy wants to admit he isn't the baddest man on the planet. "Never gonna happen to me" Similar place the 3 yards, 3 seconds, 3 rounds dogma comes from.
While I agree, getting into a wrestling match while yoked to your firearm sucks. If you have a long gun, it should stay pointed at them, and they want to take it from you they have to unload it for you one round at a time.
Always like seeing shotgun content, great video and demonstration. Also, did Ernest have a Beretta 1301 Comp with Magpul stock and 1301 Tactical handguard? I had been looking at either the 21” or 24” 1301 Comp’s and wondered how many parts are compatible with the Tactical.
Been US Border Patrol for over 15 years. Federal Firearms instructor for over 10 years. shotgun is king at night. Buck shot to 50 yards and slugs past that.
You can miss with a shotgun, the pattern is tight to at least 10 yards, also depends on the choke. Full choke stays tight to between 10-15yards. Modified about 7-10 yards. For home defense for years it's been standard to use no. 4 buck, less likely to penetrate drywall, and more shot to the shell. Do your research, and get used to what your shotgun handles best, each shotgun is different, and what ine shotgun handles best, another one does less well with. Get training, and advice. I love shotguns and the shotgun I used to take a deer with a slug, I also use for home defense. It is extremely versatile. Excellent advice given in this video, and good reference material. Enjoyed video.
Always shoot a gun you're comfortable and confident with that's reliable and you can do the job most effectively... People try to crap on the shotgun but look what they're using in Ukraine after the first year many teams have a shotgun and using shotguns for trench warfare again. obviously not all units full of shotguns but a large majority of the teams have a shotgunner or shotgun and they're good for shooting down drones. A lot of things have changed, but the king of CQB is a shotgun, it is really hard to beat it's one of if not the most devastating close range weapon. Even today with all the statistics compiled from years of shotgun uses in self-defense situations+ it usually takes (one) two rounds was rare, maximum. 99% of those encounters are lethal. People also forget that they used double barrel shotguns on stagecoaches as a coach gun to keep attackers off of them because of their effectiveness end Shotguns have been in history for a very long time from the Blunderbuss till now. Looks like shotguns are back on the menu boys 😂
I have an upgraded 1301 Tactical with Holosun 509T green dot and Xtra Shell carrier by the ejection port. It has a 1500 lumen Surefire Scout. I keep Federal 00 tactical Flightcontrol buckshot by the receiver and slugs by the stock. Flightcontrol stays tight out to 30 yards.
Worshipper of the Gauge, eveyrone only talks about Birdshot, or 9 pellet buck. Shotguns have the singular largest variety of ammo capable on a singular platform. Its not a platform for everyone, shotguns are hungry, hungry machines. You have to be proficient in keeping it topped off, at all times. But, for straight damage output out of a common, civilian affordable, and legally obtainable platfom, its about impossible to beat. And if ammo capacity is a concern, get a Siaga 12. Even the Ruskies realized its a worthy platform.
I have a Remington 870 Pump. for a long time I kept 5 rounds in the tube and one in the chamber..however I found out that having the gun stored with those rounds in the tube over time, the shot shells will bulge out at the end, making it impossible to rack a new round and fire it. I lost 5 rounds because of this. So I keep 6 in the side saddle and One on the ready. I do need to get a Light for it and maybe a Red Dot.
It's admirable that you're willing to own what you said in the past and change you opinion based on new (to you) information. Given that, I think there's a bigger issue that a number of others addressed in their comments. If you had not previously been exposed to a reputable instructor who recommended shotguns as a viable option for home defense, it suggests that your selection of instructors and classes you've attended is too limited or at least to focused on the tools and skills that appealed to you based on personal preference or bias. It's also possible that you're relatively new to this endeavor (maybe less than ten years actively training?) and the cycle of what is good, better, or even acceptable has just looped and people are "discovering" shotguns again. It's unfortunate that Louis Awerbuck is no longer with us and I can't recommend doing a shotgun class (or twenty) with him anymore, as the twelve gauge was near and dear to his heart and his instruction on the platform was at the top of the industry. In addition to Mr. Langdon, some others have mentioned Clint Smith. You should train with him if you can, whether on the shotgun or anything else he deigns to teach. Ultimately, the answer to the question, "Should you keep a handgun, a rifle, or a shotgun for defense?" is "yes; all of the above." Train, practice, and competed with all three and know and know how and when to apply each within the context of your bigger picture of mindset, tactics, and preparation.
I am not usually a fan of shotguns, but I just got back from the psa gathering. I no longer worship at the church of Ernest p worrell, I am now a convert to the church of Ernest Langdon. I was blown away. Guess I need a shotgun now.
19:34 And 'shotgun guy', also mentioned, Appropriate ammunition, for a tight pattern... And appropriate barrel setup, for a tight pattern... Specifically, the right choke, and the right ammunition, to get the desired pattern At the range... Combine all that with understanding what the pattern will look like at range A, B, C, D, etc. Much like how you test your Zero, and learn your holds, at 20, 40, 50, 100, 200, yards etc. With your rifle or your AR. So you know how your optic and your ammunition are going to behave at Range A/B/C/D etc.
Yes, I find it’s always better to shoot fireball shells next to mood lighting outdoors at night while a classical orchestra plays music in the background. This always impresses the hell out of the intruders. In fact, it causes big brands to send me very nice items in the mail
One thing I criticize when people talk about shotguns and how they have limited capacity, is that there are people who point that out will sometimes carry a 1911 with 8 round in the magazine same as a shotgun yet that has way less muzzle energy than a shotgun.
I'm going to disagree with Langdon on one thing. Slings. It's not about transitioning to a pistol It's about A: retention, if you get ambushed and the bad guy trys to take your gun. B: you may need your hands free but like point A you still want to retain your firearm on your body also most shotguns to my knowledge are NOT drop safe if you have to drop the gun quickly you surely don't want it to go off.
To answer his opinion of getting it caught I get that which is why I I think a single point or a really good quick adjust 2 point is best for close quarters. Single point I don't think doorknobs are going to find their way in between your chest and the shotgun your holding in front of you and a good dialed in 2 point if you set it up right should run around your sholder blades and up your weak arm to the forend of the gun with just enough slack to maneuver but not enough to be dangling low enough to snag. Of course it can still snag, so can thay oversized competition charging handle. Next time the wife and kids are out and your home alone practice room clearing and maneuvering in your house. You should be doing that anyway, see what works and whay doesn't, see whay objects are snag hazards etc.
A pump shotgun is one of the single most misunderstood and underutilized tools you have available to you. I very much agree with Clint Smith's statement that the shotgun is often unfairly maligned because people are so used to carbines, when the shotgun fills a different niche entirely. A carbine like an AR-15 is the easiest thing to teach someone how to shoot on (which is why I start all new shooters on one) but a shotgun has tons of use that sadly too few shooters and instructors know how to capitalize on.
@@nickdial8528 Depends on what you're doing. As far as private citizens? It's almost unheard of for a nonsworn CCW to completely empty a shotgun and then have to top it off and keep fighting. Most of the time for a CCW, when the shotgun is empty the fight is definitely done. In the words of Clint Smith: A shotgun with the right load at the right range will physically rip a chunk of shit off them and spread that shit all over the carpet. (The only exceptions I'm aware of are personal beefs, and all bets are off with a personal beef. But the defense in that case is not to live your life in such a way that you create enemies. Not really doable for anyone in a uniform, since that comes with a uniform. But for a nonsworn CCW, the best defense is not being in that situation in the first place.) But in the case of military and police work, as well as some types of security and corrections, you would definitely need to keep that shotgun topped off on the go. Some people might say "just transition to your pistol on the shotgun is empty." However, you want to have the shotgun topped off. Having a long gun in the fight greatly increases your survivability.
I've been a paramedic for 23 years and in all that time I have never transported someone that took a shotgun hit to the torso. I've had plenty of patients survive handgun wounds and even some that survived rifle rounds to the torso, but people hit with a load of buckshot are usually dead before we get there or shortly after. Not saying that it is the best HD gun (or what I use even), but it is a fight stopper for sure.
I watched a video of a cop giving a shotgun to a predators face. Yea that homie ain't getting back up
@jermedic . Great points. It’s a damn good fight stopper and they are devastating. The points he made about Jury’s are valid too.
My only issue is that Shotguns, especially pumps require a much higher level of training and proficiency than most people put in at the range these days .
Anyone that has seen what they can do can attest to the weapon’s effectiveness. If you were a medic and you’ve seen those wounds, you know what you are talking about. 👍
The price of ammo and the times that we are in can highly dictate one’s ability to train up to be effective with one.
Most people generally won’t put the time in at the range to get truly proficient In reloads, understanding what different loads do at distance and most importantly malfunction clearing.
I wish that weren’t the case.
@@stevieseasalt Great point. I put in a fair bit of practice on my pump shotgun, but it is very obvious when I haven't run it in a few months and that is why it isn't my go to gun. It is a quickly perishable skill, more so under stress. People that recommend a pump gun for a HD gun to someone that doesn't train or know much about firearms in general sorely estimate how easy it is to short stroke the gun, forget a safety, or even the need to aim in the context home defensive ranges.
@@jermedicgreat points, well said. The short stroke and all of the issues you mentioned are valid. It all comes down to training. We are on the same page.
I was trying to make the same points under another comment to this video and one reader got his ego hurt. You and I have the humility to agree, the short stroke is a real issue. It’s happened to me. I don’t train with it as much. In my original post I mentioned 100 rounds a range session but comparing to 9mm…. I should have said 500-700 rounds per range session.
That’s a lot of money to put down.. in Ammo..
Most people can’t do it. I know I can’t.
@@jermedic I 100% agree with you. You summarized my points better than I did in my original post lol.
Shotguns are great but…… insert commentary from people that train and understand why and why they aren’t great for everyone.
"Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor."
- Clint Smith
That is a great quote. I want to see how many people actually know where that quote came from.
@@jameswick8358 it came from someone desperately trying to stay relevant.
“shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor”…and the wall, the windows, the ceiling and your yard.
My favorite Clint Smith quote!!
A quote from the King !!!
Respect for owning your words and not shying away from what you used to think and say
We all say stupid stuff, you talk on camera long enough and it happens. Nothing to do but own it
Word...
@@1911syndicatenah bro y’all used to act like a shotgun was like a complete waste of time you guys are wishy washy I wouldn’t take advice from someone who changes their mind after having such a strong opinion like this video just makes y’all look stupid they way you used to talk to them acting like shotguns are garbage and only talking about the flaws they have like it’s just weird bro for real like how you gonna change your mind like that
Respect
Just use a shotty in any game = win.
Paul Harrel said for years that a shotgun is good for home defense
Shotguns have been defending homes since the blunderbuss.
If Paul Harrell said it, you can believe it.
Yeah, many other reputable people have said that too. These guys must only watch their own channel.
@@charlesharper7292 He always tests and qualifies those statements, but yes. Mr. Harrell knows his stuff and is trustworthy as hell.
Paul is a man's man
Really good video with accurate information. I love my Beretta 1301; I can see myself "needing" a Langdon version. :-)
Thank you for watching and commenting sir. We appreciate you.
Earnest did an AMAZING job describing the benefits and limitiations of the shotgun. The nuiance needed to do that is not lost, here. Thanks guys. One of your better PSA videos, for sure.
I'm sorry, in the first 30 seconds or so I'm yelling at the screen, "apparently neither of you live on a farm or ranch"! The first firearm I always and I mean, always grab first when I hear something in the middle of the night is a shotgun. Real world situations, when you do not know what you will be facing weather it's inside or outside, you want a tool that you can immediately change the type of ammunition to fit the situation. My 1301 has light for identification and several types ammunition attached to it to make quick changes. From Badgers, raccoons, snakes, to other peoples animals. The options shotguns have are pretty hard to beat.
.yrah, the guy is full of vshit with his hypothetical "lets say someone breaks in your house "
Most people who have ar rifles think they’re the best because the army uses them. What they forget is that the army uses them in a group setting to pepper barely visible enemies several hundred yards away. The likelihood that I’m ever shooting at anybody more than 100 yards away is remote. I have ars mostly because I didn’t think hard enough and now I have a lot of ammo. 33 rounds might be good. But, 7:16 All in all, the shotgun is a better choice.
Prefer my Benelli M4 as it has less recoil and easier 2nd shot, but the Beretta is an excellent firearm!
Happy Hunting (2 legs or 4!)
@@butchie2752if someone can only have one weapon in the USA it’s an AR, no question. Next on the list, one of the common concealed carry options.
@@JeepCherokeefulI disagree. If someone can only have one firearm then it has to be a handgun. Rifles and shotguns are secondary weapons for non-military personnel.
Think about it. You can carry a handgun inside and outside of the home. Concealed carries available on all 50 states. You can't walk around the street with an AR-15, and even if you could they would be horrible to conceal.
So the question is do you want a weapon that's really good at protecting you only when you're at home and leaves you defenseless whenever you leave the home for art with an arms reach of your weapon, or would you rather have a firearm that's pretty good at protecting you 24/7. The reality is they're very few Home defense problems that can't be solved with a Glock 19 that could be solved with a AR-15. They exist, but they're extraordinarily rare, much rarer than needing a firearm outside of the home.
I'm an old guy now but I served as an LEO for a large portion of my life, I was lucky enough to Instruct at Agency and Academy level. My experience with the shotgun was that if the shooter was of average build and worked with the gun, they were quick and lethal with less training than the pistol required. The only issue we saw was small stature officers having issues, due to gun fit. But if they chose to train they could overcome the disadvantage.
It was also common (In my midwestern state) to have young men come into training that had been hunting and shooting shotguns their entire lives. Those guys were almost always just a little training away from being masters with just picking up some loading (select slug, shooting/loading from empty) training. As the muscle memory for the shotgun was ingrained in them from years of shooting.
Yes the shotgun takes a long time to master, but "Police Proficient" was not a hard bar for Recruits to reach.
Also I had conversations with quite a few people who were shot with handgun rounds, during my career as we waited for and I gave medical assistance. I never spoke with a single person who was hit with a shotgun fired in anger...
Former LEO handgun and shotgun instructor. One of my best shotgun pupils was a Latin Girl who was about 5'5" 130lbs. She owned that 870. Could not agree with you more about the lethality of a load of buckshot or a slug, those are not folks who are repeat offenders. Agencies with half a brain issue buckshot AND slugs, it's like having two different guns. If LAPD patrol had slugs during the North Hollywood bank robbery, it may have ended long before SWAT arrived.
@@calamaridog while the slugs may not have penetrated their body armor, the organs behind it wouldn't know the difference, and they would've taken a seat REAL quick, LOL!
@@TheOGMattBurns Yep, it's why I love slugs. Doesn't matter if they're wearing body armor or not. Get hit with a slug, dead or not, you're out of the fight
@@calamaridognever happened.txt
Nice to see shotguns being recognized as great HD weapons. A shotgun was the standard go to for police, swat, home defense, Close quarters, and trench warfare for many years. And they are still as effective as ever. If not 10X more so with the modern combat and hunting shotguns like the 1301 and M4 variants.
I got my first shotgun at 12 yrs old for Christmas in 1986. Mossberg 500 in mossy oak camo (back then it just looked like a rattle can job) with full, mod, and Improved choke tubes. It is still the only hunting shotgun I have ever owned. Until I was 25 yrs old all I had was my Shotgun and a Pump .22 rifle. I trained with a Mossberg 590 in the Marine Corps in 1994 and l bought one a few years later with a 7 shot tube. My Wife has a Mossberg 500 in 20 Ga, and I also keep a Mossberg 500 rifled barrel slug gun with Sabots hidden in the garage. I have shot them so much over the last 38 yrs since that Christmas when I was 12 its just second nature. Hunted with it all over the country from California to FL, Mi, Ohio even the Gulf of Mexico for ducks.
I have AR's, Ak's and pistols but the tactical Mossberg 590 stays by the bed and has since I have been out on my own.
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Im glad to see shotguns back in the conversation again.
Shottys for danger close. Rifles for danger far. Handguns for danger in disguise. What's so hard to understand?
And grenades are for screw everything over that way.
lol shotguns are for like war and not for a civilian. Shotguns are so dumb for every reason man. Even in “war” I’d rather have a rifle anyways.
shotguns are for hunting birds whats so hard to understand. AR15 platform for everything when it comes to defending life.
@@bobbob-g8pShotguns are way more lethal than rifles, so I’ll take the shotgun for defending life too. lol
@@Flemdragon" Shotguns are for like war and not civilians" ... What does that even mean ?
Love my Mossburg 590A1 for home defense. The same weapon I used for breaching in the army. Hooah
Welcome brother! QuiNhon Vietnam 67/68
Same here
Rah!
AGREE,I KEEP TWO AT THE READY AT MY HOUSE ALSO
Do you forget your house keys a lot?
Loved my 590 and stupidly sold it😢
I wish you influencers would stop talking about the 1301 so i can buy one.
Get an A300 UP its 90% of the 1301.
Same for the A300 Ultima Patrol.
Had to settle for a Mossberg 940 Pro tactical. Might be facing buyer's remorse. IDK.
@@TalonO4 no way, I want all the bells and whistle with the 1301 mod 2
@@InkwellFotoBenelli M4 my guy
Good news, I’m not sure that we’re influencers
That might be the coolest intro a human being has ever had. I'm changing from my life of crime that I never started.
“When did you find out shotguns were awesome?”
“Gel test with 00 buck or slugs”
This might be one of your best videos in my opinion. I'm a retired federal agent. I thought it was a bad idea when we phased out the shotgun to run rifles only. I know of several bad guys shot with ARs (even multiple times) that lived. Not so much for those hit with the shotgun.
Retired LEO...yup
I keep a shotgun for home defense. I grew up shooting shotguns, a lot. Our entire family used to compete in trap, skeet meets, did dove hunting, turkey, qual, etc hunting. I learned a LOT about tactical shotguns in the Army. Retired now, at 65, I still prefer a shotgun. Thanks for having this man on the video. He does know what he is talking about. Yes, I still practice quite a bit because I love shooting (all manner of firearms) but to stay sharp as well. It takes more effort as you age but can be done.
I live out in the country and I use a benneli m4 for HD . I’m not planning on engaging out past 25 yds and if 9 rds of 00 buck don’t take care of it I’m fucked anyway. We used them in house clearing in Ramadi ( we were ordered not to and only to use them on doors but I can confirm there are a lot less bearded doors with us now ) . At 25 yds and in it’s devastating. No need for more .
100% yet a slug can clearly take out at a target at 100 yards.. but like you said.. no reason to engage that far in reality. were not at war in the afghan mountains
"Bearded doors" 🤣
If it can breach a door and take hinges off, it'll take beards off with equal or greater effectivity.
A lot less bearded doors lmfao
You sir have won the Comment of the Day. Unfortunately there is no prize for winning but pride of ownership. Bearded Doors….😂😂😂😂
Thanks for that and of course for your service!!
As a new gun owner my main goal is Nice shotgun Nice handgun Nice AR
Welcome to the 2A community...a right not exercised is a right soon lost!
My beginner advice "Buy once, Cry once" meaning it is better to buy a quality product one time rather than have to constantly replace or repair cheap stuff just to upgrade to quality later anyway.
And resist the urge to impulse buy after watching a review and seriously ask yourself " Is this item really useful or could this money be better spent on ammo and training?"
Handgun first.
Please do research on aftermarket support for accessories and holsters before you buy, it will save you a lot of headaches
@@draconus787 I 2nd that
“Shotguns”: The indoor rifle.
BWAHHAHAHAH! I love it!
Mossberg Maverick 88 cheapest rifle on the market 😂😂
If you’ve never heard a reputable instructor recommend a shotgun for home defense you haven’t been around many reputable instructors.
Yeah it has only been the last 10 years or so that shotguns are "not a good choice", but I think they are already making a comeback in the tactical world.
So you've never heard of Clint Smith huh? "Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor."
- Clint Smith
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Louis Awerbuck carried his message. I was fortunate to attend a few of his courses. He was amazing with a shotgun.
Clint Smith has entered the room...💯
I love seeing more people loving shotguns. I wish more people would show number 4 buck as well. Imagine 27 "22LR" rounds flying at you at 12 to 1400 fps. OUCH!!!
Shhhhhh.
Semi auto shotguns are a game changer! I have the mossberg 940 tactical and ive modified it a bit. I will go into the zombie apocalypse with that thing. One of my favorite.
0:40 Clint Smith is screaming at his screen doing his best David Goggins impression. “THEY DONT KNOW ME SON!”
“Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns with the right load and the right range will physically remove a chuck of shit of your opponent and throw that shit on the floor! Gotta be the right load at the right range.” *smiles*
-Clint Smith
@@SomeGuy. finally. Another man of culture. 👍🏻🤣
@@SomeGuy. I read that in his voice 😅
Lol clint smith is so screaming at u
The disfavor of shotguns seems to come on the heels of the "soldier gear = good, everything else = fudd" mentality that has defined 2A culture since the bro-vets brought it back from the GWOT. People have forgotten that civilian self/home-defense looks nothing like combat. There's no suppressive fire. There are no long-range engagements. There's no patrolling. There's no kit. There's no reloading. Almost every characteristic of a rifle that makes it good for combat is irrelevant in realistic civilian gun use. Don't get me wrong, I think every civilian has the right to get kitted up for maximum LARP. But in no conceivable home defense scenario are you going to utilize the range, capacity, ammo carrying ability, etc. afforded by a modern rifle. Shotguns make a TON of sense for civilians when you look at the data for civilian gun use... short time, short range, and low round-count. What comes to mind when you think of a weapon good for short range, low round-count use where there will be no supporting kit worn? Its literally an HD shotgun.
Well said
I think that the more people handle a beretta 1301, the more the Fudd lore will die off. The 1301 is a flippin’ Ferrari…..extra cool
That being said..
Bird shot at medium range provides suppression
Well said. Shotguns are for when it's going to be settled in the next .5 seconds one way or the other. A fair % of former service members don't want to be taken out of their AR comfort zone.
Mr. Langdon is such a sublime educator. Great video, gents.
Just a class act all around. Loved working with him and we are fortunate he would come on the channel.
He’s the man
I’ve had a Langdon 1301 for 2-3 years. Love it
Just watched the video. Thank you so much guys. My home defense weapon of choice is the shotgun. It has been for years since James Yeager's combat shotgun class taught me how to effectively set up and utilize it.
Love the video. Subscribed and shared!!
posting this while I wait on my LTT 1301 was perfect hype train timing …. Cheers Boys!
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Just got my Benelli M4 Gen2 LE and LOVE it!! Shotguns leave meat on the ground, wall, ceiling. The most versatile tool that probably holds the record for one shot victories.
Great call-out on legal matters. James Reaves has a great video on mock juries and the AR-15. It shouldn't matter, but it does
On this episode of 1911 Syndicate a lethal man gives a compliment to lefties, a short ginger makes a joke, Dragon's Breath lights up the night, and a dog finds a carcass to chew on.
I wasnt big on shotguns until I trained with one. Changed my mind in one day! Just got my Mossberg 590 and saving up to get on of these 1301 later this year. I cannot wait!
Old Shotgun junkie here. Two of my favorites have Vang Comp barrels on them. Absolutely incredible patterns and slug accuracy, it was the way to go before they came out with $6 a shot Federal flight control wads.
“You just broke into Ernest Langdons house” you have a better chance of survival at breaking into John Wicks house
It’s the final truly poor choice invariably after an entire lifetime of bad choices.
Clint Smith said it best, "You don't double tap with a shotgun".
I can hear him saying that.
Interestingly I have always had shotguns. But just started to build a Mossberg 930 as a budget home defense weapon. Waiting on one final part to arrive, the extended magazine to make it 9 + 1!
My Home Defense Shotgun
Is A Mossberg 500, Loaded Up With FEDERAL FLIGHT CONTROL, OO-Buck,
8 Pellet, Reduced Recoil Load...
Thanks to this video, the LTT Beretta 1301 is the newest dream gun on my list, right up there at the top next to the M1A Scout.
"I've never heard someone that I respect recommend a shot gun as a home defense tool" a five second browser search would suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.
Look up know nothings like the chief instructors for Col. Coopers Ranch.
Credit to you fellas for owning up to your mistakes. In a society low on accountability, that's very refreshing.
Thanks Guys, for a great overall video. This is if not the best,then in the top 3 familiarizing shot gun videos ive seen this year. And also entertaining enough to be easy to watch.
Thanks bro
I respect that you guys asked a lot of questions.
I grew up hunting birds with shotguns and did so unsupervised since age 12 yo (legal in NC upon completing a hunter safety course). I am 41 yo now.
I did not realize that guys with a firearm TH-cam channel could know so little about shotguns.
I feel foolish but While watching the video I realized most men don’t have fathers and uncles who took them and their brothers and cousins hunting and it’s hard to get into as an adult.
I recommend going skeet shooting a few times, getting a hunting license and for your first few times pay for a guide to try bird hunting in your state who will do all the work for you.
You could also join a hunting club. Hunters are friendly for the most part and as long as you are respectful there are plenty of guys who wouldn’t mind bringing you along.
Which game you pursue depends on what’s prevalent in your area.
Scatterguns are most in their element bird hunting.
Talking about shotguns will never bring the same understanding as using them.
My Remington 870.Wingmaster 12 gauge cut down to 21 inches with a Choate magazine tube extension and Choate tube barrel clamp. That was by myside dyring the Rodney King Riots when i lived in LA. Party packed with alternating 00 buck and sabot slug hollowpoints. A Colt 1911 government was my sidearm with 8+1 of JHP.. Never felt undergunned or less well protected.
Langdon Tactical Rocks!!! Another great shotgun enthusiast and legend along with Paul Harrell and Clint Smith. Plus they trick out the HK P30, I’m still hoping to get mine worked on soon. Absolute Legend.
Glad to see you've finally caught the gauge fever.😆 Love my 1301 LTT and it is my first home defense choice.
Having the courage to change one's judgments after being presented with new evidence is a sign of honesty and increases, not decreases, one's credibility.
What you prefer is what you train with. Which is always the best option
100% I carry a sig x with a holosun. Lil tiny gun. I shoot lights out with it. I own 10 pistols. There all gathering dust. My wife has a shield ez. She doesn’t want another one to play with. 100% sir!
More people need to watch this. For one the education factor because soooo many people have misconceptions about shotguns and their use/place in this day and age.
What you guys said about scatterguns a year ago is exactly what I told people asking me “what’s the best HD gun?” I just recently put a benelli m4 on my wife’s side of the bed but I still keep a bcm next to mine. The way I see it they both fuck and the m4 can pop a top as a 2nd line of defense. Thanks for the Friday night vibes and another trip down LTT’s rabbit hole. The 1301 from those guys is in my queue. 🤘
The person I trust more than anyone. And an expert on guns. A shotgun with Doubleought Buckshot. Is the best close quarter gunfight money can buy.
I'm sorry my man but you're totally wrong. For 100 plus years the 12-gauge shotgun has been used by Farmers to protect their home and livestock.
Veterans from World War I and World War II would attest that the shotgun at his place in home defense. Even Vietnam veterans said in lieu of a rifle a shotgun is a very formidable firearm for home defense in an up and close situation. In the 1920s shotguns were used when people were armed with Thompson submachine guns to give them a fighting chance in subduing the attacker. World War I prove The lethality of the 12K shotgun in trench warfare.
For home defense my choice has always been the 12-gauge shotgun with a handgun for backup.
You must learn The Gospel of the Gauge. Rob Haught and his son teach the best shotgun skills.
I'm former Active Duty U.S. Marine Infantry. Nearly 10 years in a specialized Counter Terrorism Unit L.E. I'm a gun enthusiast and have had professional specialized tactical training over the years with Special Forces memeber with the U.S. Army Special Forces, Australian Special Forces, and with memembers of DEVGRU. I am NOT special forces nor was I ever. Just did a lot of specialized training with them in the L.E. CounterTerrorism world. In addition I've done specialized tactical training with Police SWAT teams from different agencies as well as with the FBI. I myself was also an instructor for helping to train tactical officers in CQB SWAT style tactics for Counter Terrorism or Mass shooters situations. That being all said. I have a shotgun as one of my go to home defense guns. I would never overlook a good shotgun for tactical SHTF/Home Defense use.
Nice to see our combat shotguns (18"-20" barrels) get some love. Hornady also makes a "Tite Wad"/flight control 8-pellet double-aught (00) buckshot to 1600 fps called Critical Defense. We're stocked w/ some of that but mostly standard velocity (1300 fps) and LE (lower-) velocity (1050) 9-pellet doublle-aught buckshot 12 gauge rounds. 00 buck winds up being .32-.33 caliber, 8 or 9 of 'em, with one trigger pull. A 1301 is on the short list but meanwhile we rock updated 870 Wingmasters wearing 18" barrels and a "Texas tactical" Rem 1100, 18" Rem barrel and WC one-shot mag extension, Rem competition carrier and a Brownells combat bolt handle. Great vid, fellers! I've had to eat my hat on occasion, too. Stay safe! Stay healthy and good shootin'! to you.
My Benelli M1 has been my home defense number one gun since like 1993
I appreciate you addressing your previous transgressions. I saw one of your earlier videos and thought, "Another smug gun content creator. See yuh". The growth is appreciable. You have earned a subscriber.
I’m still amazed you guys don’t have 5 mill subscribers. Great videos guys
Seriously kind of you. We can’t believe we have even 1 😂😂😂 appreciate the kind words and support as always brother man
Thanks bro
Shotgun fan boy here, I’m glad you owned your words, at the end of the day each gun is a tool for a specific job. Shotguns are devastating for up close work.
I almost set half of Utah on fire with my 1301 and dragons breath ammo. Luckily, I brought a fire extinguisher and a wife who's apparently a firefighter.
We are a very small FFL in AZ close to his shop. I got a 1301 and a P30 worked on by LTT and even though the order was small, they were extremely detail oriented and attentive. I had the pleasure of talking to his wife a few times and she is super nice and really funny. I was so impressed with the shotgun that I kept it and I will likely keep the P30 as well lol. Can’t recommend them enough.
Very cool
Shotty's are hands down the most versatile and deadly firestick available , from #8 target load @ 20yds to sabo's @ 200yds ....
Thank you so helpful. I just an a300 patrol for home defense, you answered a lot of questions.
I’m buying my first shotgun next month,this video helped
Cool! If you're going the pump action route - beware of the Magpul fore-end furniture. I love and recommend Magpul Buttstock (It's a great piece of kit), but the fore-end grip is not very ergonomic - it's honestly not great. (it does add M-lok slots for mounting points) You'll see a lot of guys running it on TH-cam - But it's slippery, bulky and doesn't feel very natural in the hand. If you want to replace your fore-end, I'd honestly go another route. I wish reviews had been more honest about it. I hope you have a blast with the new shotgun. ✌️
It's rare for me to go more than 10 min on any TH-cam video but I enjoyed every minute of this. Well done! Subbed.
Thank you for the kind words and watching and subbing. Jake crispy and I appreciate the support and sub sir 👊🏼👊🏼
When it comes to 12ga slugs, there's no such thing as "just a flesh wound".
Facts 😂😂😂
Rubber duck shell
It would probably be flesh wounds….. but mostly lethal ones!
@@jayabramson6702 😂😂😂
I like how you said "We said bad things about shotguns"-- rather than just owning up to it yourself.
Everyone knows the best gun for home defense is a Phased Plasma Rifle in 40 watt range
So a flashlight?
"hey, just what you see pal"
I lean more towards the M41A Pulse rifle and you get added benefit of a grenade launcher, and if you need more fire power(pun intended) just lash the M240 Incinerator to the side 🔥
No. It's da Uzi 9 millee metuh
If you're Langdon, shot gun is a great choice. They are all a viable choice if you train on them and are comfortable running them.
I get my pockets and belt loops caught on drawer handles and such in my house all the time, when the lights are on. I can easily see a sling in the dark being a magnet for that sort of thing.
Best intro yet 👌
Have been a huge fan of the Beretta 1301 for a long time. Got my first one back when they were about half the current price. Federal flite-control buckshot is the way to go! If you can find any of the high density buckshot, it is something special. Out of a Gen 1 Beretta 1301 (fixed choke) was getting all 9 pellets on half size silhouette targets at just over 45 yards. Using a gen 2 version with a Carlson turkey choke and turkey ammunition. Shooting some of the 8 x11 paper turkey targets. At 45 yards it shot just as well as a dedicated turkey shotgun. Using the same turkey choke and Federal Prairie Storm #6 ammunition. They patterned just as well or slightly better the super expensive turkey specific ammunition. Although there was a very noticeable difference in penatration of the plywood backstop. The tungsten alloy shot of the turkey ammunition just blasts through 1/2 plywood at 45 yards. The tungsten alloy buckshot shoots a tighter patter than the copper plated buckshot. The high density buckshot just destroys the plywood backstop and the supporting 2x4s. Tru-ball slugs are very accurate, but the 1600fps version kicks like anything.
I knew basically nothing about shotguns before this video, so this was some great knowledge for me! appreciate the video
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You made my day... I´m a lefty and i had ordered my 1301 Gen2 three month ago.. But Germany is just waiting for the fde one´s i had ordered. Black one´s in the shop´s right now.
What about #4 buck really effective
#4 buck and #1 buck are my preferred load in my saiga
Some may not believe this, but I was messing around with my Mossberg 930 tactical setup. I was able to accurately shoot Brenneke 3” Black Magic slugs (605 grain) on a man size target at 250 yards, using a standard red dot optic - no magnification. Amazing to consider that possible out of a smooth bore! It is my go to bear gun. But I recently got a Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol. Can’t wait to see if it will shoot as well at distance.
Always liked shotguns. Their main deficiency is ammo capacity and for that I keep a 50 rd bandolier on hanging on the house shotgun.
Great video. I’m a professional, full time firearms trainer and I’ve always been a proponent of the scatter gun as a home defense tool, but….. You guys did a great job highlighting the advantages while still addressing the need for thought and training if this is going to be your choice. Now I’m gonna go do reload drills in my kitchen with my 590a1. Yea I’m using dummy rounds and you should too, dummy!
A sling prevents someone from shooting you with your own gun...... especially in a tussle.
Don’t let them get that close 🤷🏼♂️
@@Chrisblauif your mindset is you will certainly be able to not them get that close, you've already lost. Shit WILL happen, be prepared...
No guy wants to admit he isn't the baddest man on the planet.
"Never gonna happen to me"
Similar place the 3 yards, 3 seconds, 3 rounds dogma comes from.
It can also stop you from shooting your opponent when both of you are in contact fight. It goes both ways.
While I agree, getting into a wrestling match while yoked to your firearm sucks. If you have a long gun, it should stay pointed at them, and they want to take it from you they have to unload it for you one round at a time.
Owner of a Mossberg 590 S. I do need to take it to the range and get more practice. I’m extremely happy with my purchase.
Always like seeing shotgun content, great video and demonstration.
Also, did Ernest have a Beretta 1301 Comp with Magpul stock and 1301 Tactical handguard?
I had been looking at either the 21” or 24” 1301 Comp’s and wondered how many parts are compatible with the Tactical.
Ooo honestly I can’t remember
"its simple math, but i dont do math in public" 🤣
Been US Border Patrol for over 15 years. Federal Firearms instructor for over 10 years. shotgun is king at night.
Buck shot to 50 yards and slugs past that.
Considering the mess at the southern border. Be safe friend. Hopefully things will start to change in November.
You can miss with a shotgun, the pattern is tight to at least 10 yards, also depends on the choke. Full choke stays tight to between 10-15yards. Modified about 7-10 yards. For home defense for years it's been standard to use no. 4 buck, less likely to penetrate drywall, and more shot to the shell. Do your research, and get used to what your shotgun handles best, each shotgun is different, and what ine shotgun handles best, another one does less well with. Get training, and advice. I love shotguns and the shotgun I used to take a deer with a slug, I also use for home defense. It is extremely versatile. Excellent advice given in this video, and good reference material. Enjoyed video.
Always shoot a gun you're comfortable and confident with that's reliable and you can do the job most effectively... People try to crap on the shotgun but look what they're using in Ukraine after the first year many teams have a shotgun and using shotguns for trench warfare again.
obviously not all units full of shotguns but a large majority of the teams have a shotgunner or shotgun and they're good for shooting down drones.
A lot of things have changed, but the king of CQB is a shotgun, it is really hard to beat it's one of if not the most devastating close range weapon.
Even today with all the statistics compiled from years of shotgun uses in self-defense situations+
it usually takes (one) two rounds was rare, maximum.
99% of those encounters are lethal.
People also forget that they used double barrel shotguns on stagecoaches as a coach gun to keep attackers off of them because of their effectiveness end Shotguns have been in history for a very long time from the Blunderbuss till now. Looks like shotguns are back on the menu boys 😂
I have an upgraded 1301 Tactical with Holosun 509T green dot and Xtra Shell carrier by the ejection port. It has a 1500 lumen Surefire Scout. I keep Federal 00 tactical Flightcontrol buckshot by the receiver and slugs by the stock. Flightcontrol stays tight out to 30 yards.
Worshipper of the Gauge, eveyrone only talks about Birdshot, or 9 pellet buck. Shotguns have the singular largest variety of ammo capable on a singular platform.
Its not a platform for everyone, shotguns are hungry, hungry machines. You have to be proficient in keeping it topped off, at all times. But, for straight damage output out of a common, civilian affordable, and legally obtainable platfom, its about impossible to beat.
And if ammo capacity is a concern, get a Siaga 12. Even the Ruskies realized its a worthy platform.
You can even make explosive rounds.
I have a Remington 870 Pump. for a long time I kept 5 rounds in the tube and one in the chamber..however I found out that having the gun stored with those rounds in the tube over time, the shot shells will bulge out at the end, making it impossible to rack a new round and fire it. I lost 5 rounds because of this. So I keep 6 in the side saddle and One on the ready. I do need to get a Light for it and maybe a Red Dot.
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate: Ernest Lansgon brings him Boom Tube, Jake talks about humans a lot, and the LTT 1301 pretends to be Godzilla in the desert
It's admirable that you're willing to own what you said in the past and change you opinion based on new (to you) information. Given that, I think there's a bigger issue that a number of others addressed in their comments. If you had not previously been exposed to a reputable instructor who recommended shotguns as a viable option for home defense, it suggests that your selection of instructors and classes you've attended is too limited or at least to focused on the tools and skills that appealed to you based on personal preference or bias. It's also possible that you're relatively new to this endeavor (maybe less than ten years actively training?) and the cycle of what is good, better, or even acceptable has just looped and people are "discovering" shotguns again. It's unfortunate that Louis Awerbuck is no longer with us and I can't recommend doing a shotgun class (or twenty) with him anymore, as the twelve gauge was near and dear to his heart and his instruction on the platform was at the top of the industry. In addition to Mr. Langdon, some others have mentioned Clint Smith. You should train with him if you can, whether on the shotgun or anything else he deigns to teach.
Ultimately, the answer to the question, "Should you keep a handgun, a rifle, or a shotgun for defense?" is "yes; all of the above." Train, practice, and competed with all three and know and know how and when to apply each within the context of your bigger picture of mindset, tactics, and preparation.
I am not usually a fan of shotguns, but I just got back from the psa gathering. I no longer worship at the church of Ernest p worrell, I am now a convert to the church of Ernest Langdon. I was blown away. Guess I need a shotgun now.
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And 'shotgun guy', also mentioned,
Appropriate ammunition, for a tight pattern...
And appropriate barrel setup, for a tight pattern...
Specifically, the right choke, and the right ammunition, to get
the desired pattern
At the range...
Combine all that with understanding what the pattern will look like at range A, B, C, D, etc.
Much like how you test your Zero, and learn your holds, at 20, 40, 50, 100, 200, yards etc. With your rifle or your AR.
So you know how your optic and your ammunition are going to behave at Range A/B/C/D etc.
The answer has always been shotgun.
Yes, I find it’s always better to shoot fireball shells next to mood lighting outdoors at night while a classical orchestra plays music in the background. This always impresses the hell out of the intruders.
In fact, it causes big brands to send me very nice items in the mail
One thing I criticize when people talk about shotguns and how they have limited capacity, is that there are people who point that out will sometimes carry a 1911 with 8 round in the magazine same as a shotgun yet that has way less muzzle energy than a shotgun.
1911 can be reloaded fast
@@katana258so can a Gen 12
@@katana258 you shouldn’t need to reload with a shotgun when one round does the job of 3 45’s
With 00 buckshot, my 8+1 12 gauge is shooting the equivalent of 81 9mm/32 special rounds. Not familiar with any handguns running 81 round mags!
@@Dillpickles719 assuming you hit your target, crazy how stress works.
Very informative video for anyone who owns a shotgun for home defense.
I'm going to disagree with Langdon on one thing. Slings. It's not about transitioning to a pistol It's about A: retention, if you get ambushed and the bad guy trys to take your gun. B: you may need your hands free but like point A you still want to retain your firearm on your body also most shotguns to my knowledge are NOT drop safe if you have to drop the gun quickly you surely don't want it to go off.
To answer his opinion of getting it caught I get that which is why I I think a single point or a really good quick adjust 2 point is best for close quarters. Single point I don't think doorknobs are going to find their way in between your chest and the shotgun your holding in front of you and a good dialed in 2 point if you set it up right should run around your sholder blades and up your weak arm to the forend of the gun with just enough slack to maneuver but not enough to be dangling low enough to snag. Of course it can still snag, so can thay oversized competition charging handle. Next time the wife and kids are out and your home alone practice room clearing and maneuvering in your house. You should be doing that anyway, see what works and whay doesn't, see whay objects are snag hazards etc.
Very brave video! I admit, I have ALWAYS been a shotgun fan, due to being LE and not mil! Excellent!
A pump shotgun is one of the single most misunderstood and underutilized tools you have available to you. I very much agree with Clint Smith's statement that the shotgun is often unfairly maligned because people are so used to carbines, when the shotgun fills a different niche entirely. A carbine like an AR-15 is the easiest thing to teach someone how to shoot on (which is why I start all new shooters on one) but a shotgun has tons of use that sadly too few shooters and instructors know how to capitalize on.
Such as...being able to load on the go abd even fire on a threat while loading.
@@nickdial8528 Depends on what you're doing. As far as private citizens? It's almost unheard of for a nonsworn CCW to completely empty a shotgun and then have to top it off and keep fighting. Most of the time for a CCW, when the shotgun is empty the fight is definitely done. In the words of Clint Smith: A shotgun with the right load at the right range will physically rip a chunk of shit off them and spread that shit all over the carpet. (The only exceptions I'm aware of are personal beefs, and all bets are off with a personal beef. But the defense in that case is not to live your life in such a way that you create enemies. Not really doable for anyone in a uniform, since that comes with a uniform. But for a nonsworn CCW, the best defense is not being in that situation in the first place.)
But in the case of military and police work, as well as some types of security and corrections, you would definitely need to keep that shotgun topped off on the go. Some people might say "just transition to your pistol on the shotgun is empty." However, you want to have the shotgun topped off. Having a long gun in the fight greatly increases your survivability.
@@nickdial8528 Who’s attacking you a Seal team?