+tom11zz884 Exactly Dr. Martin Luther King jr by 1964 begin to change a lot of his thinking, he eventually kneow his non-violence situation was getting a of black people hurt & kill, black people & other should remember dr.king said himself he feel like with integration with white people he is leading black people into a burning house, I will always love, honor & admire Dr. Martin Luther King jr because he did so much for our people & he is one of our black gods & heroes.
@@naaimsharif749 in 1967, mlk was still preaching non violence as much as he usually did and in fact was vigilantly against the Vietnam war on the basis that it was violent.
@trueman mann I really wish king were alive just to see him rant against the Bush, Obama, and Trump administrations. Especially the Bush administrations.
I am white, and a humanist. I have been involved in human rights, women's rights, and the Darfur movement. Having been abused growing up, I found solace in Malcolm X. Malcolm to me represents evolution and pragmatism. Malcolm was not any one ideology at any one time. Malcolm was a beautiful thinker and adapted to situations, knowing that no one solution could solve any and all problems. Malcolm reinvented the theoretical framework, but always had his feet firmly on the ground. We need Malcolm
Malcolm was leader...we all know he would always mention Elijah because he was loyal... however Malcolm was a leader take a look around Cornell... Malcolm is still a leader.
Malcolm WAS A SPOKESMAN, a great SPOKESMAN to be sure, and not a leader of any movement or organization, he was killed before his work with the organization he founded, the AAU came to fruition, this fact however in no way diminishes his legacy.
Anyone who says Malcolm was a leader is misinformed and should not be listened to. Maybe their followers and follow him but anyone who did more than 1 hour of research knows who malcolm was loyal to. Maybe towards the end , he tried / wanted to build his own but wasn't very successful since his life was cut short.
Sad reality is that Malcolm X, his thoughts and his leadership scare these two men to death. That's why Smiley says "Non-violence or non-existence" and West denies his leadership. Because the idea of Blacks truly doing for self without the assistance of Whites, this includes defending ourselves adequately, seems unfathomable to them. This is why Malcolm X was always so deeply frustrated by Black intellectuals, because they were never willing to make true sacrifices, especially after having worked so hard for personal achievement. I don't blame them for this, but call it what it is and don't use your intellectualism to downgrade Malcolm X; that would be honest.
I see you never heard King explain his philosophy on non violence. He said that it had to be non violent protests are we wouldn’t have survived. They would’ve destroyed us if we were protesting violently. They had and still have law enforcement and the military who wouldn’t have mind taking us out, we didn’t have and don’t have nothing in comparison. So that’s why he had to take that approach and that’s why Tavis is saying what he’s saying. West is totally disrespecting and hating on Malcolm.
Ides94 you make a compelling argument but I fully disagree with your first post on Malcolm. I’d highly suggest you read his autobiography and get some kind of understanding of why he approached things that way. Malcolm was a product of the streets and a hot head at that. Sort of like Pac when he was with death row, always looking to start shit. But a very smart and intellectual man who soon cane to realize the power behind what King was doing and actually wanted to partner up with up with him. We all go through that kind of awakening when we realize that we need to make changes on how we’re approaching thing’s..
If Malcolm X never join the Nation of Islam there would not have been as many members. It was Malcolm who put the NOI on the map. He had more knowledge and was more articulate than Elijah. And if you don't believe me then TH-cam Elijah Muhammad and listen to him speak compared to when Malcolm speaks. No, Elijah was in charge but Malcolm X was the real leader in terms of his vision, which was restricted and handcuffed by the NOI.
I disagree with Dr West for saying Malcolm X was not a leader but a spokesman but the fact of the matter is that Malcolm X was a leader but still under the leader of the Elijah Mohamed,nowonder he still had followers even when he left the nation of islam. Leadership is not just about having an organisation and putting people in motion but influence and Malcolm X was and is still influencing lives across the globe me included after having read his autobigraghy but its unfortunate that the african american only celebrate "uncle tom"..................who advocated for a very unrealistic philosophy of fighting your enemy with love.come on
@@michaelgray1803 In his early years in the Civil Rights era he was a shield but later on he realized that he was being used by the very ppl who propped him up. Then he started acting more like Malcolm X in his later speeches.
3. After he left NOI and embraced orthodox Islam, he was invited to the University of Oxford, the highest seat of learning in the world at that time, for a debate. there is a 10 minute segment readily available if you just type into google, malcolm x oxford debate there you will witness what he was about, he is a luminary beacon of wisdom, sincerity, compassion and courage, one of the greatest inspirations humanity has ever produced.
I am not going to fall for that old game by debating whether Malcolm X or Dr King was better. This is a silly debate in my opinion and since both were fighting for us and died on our behalf. Both men are the same..great black giant fighters who use different strategies in combat. I would be a fool to question their honor in such trivial ways.
During the later years of his life, King recognized how his efforts were being undermined by those who were publicly aligning themselves with him. In 1967 and 1968 King began to speak about a militant non-violence which ground the gears of society to a halt. He began adopting black power vocabulary - he didn't talk like X but he wasn't King of 1960 either - he transformation threatened the establishment, this is why he was killed.
I love these 2 intellectuals Tavis Smiley and Professor Cornell West, they broke subjects down where you could understand and think about what was said from their lips.
I love Malcolm X. He taught me alot, but Ive also grown wise enough to know these two are right .... Nonviolence is the only course.. Violence will destroy everything we have worked so hard to build. I like think Malcolm also evolved to this position. I am most proud of his evolution beyond the nation
Malcolm represented change in the individual. A man who made the ultimate sacrifice one can make of himself; to admit you were wrong...and change. That's where "change" takes place. One human at a time. In you, yourself. Not to cast any least favors on Dr. King in any sense, but these two brothers were like the bow and the stern of a ship. They instructed us to be the mid-ship. To flex and bend and not to break. To carry the load. To bare the weight To carry the cross.❤️
Well said. Self defense is an inherent, natural right, and while MLK and others were willing to relinquish that right, Malcolm acknowledged it as a valuable tool in claiming and asserting independence as a people.
I agree. They never protested because they didn't believe in it, not because they were fearful of anything. Malcolm X was fearless. With the police brutality incident in California, Malcolm promised to avenge those killed, it was Elijah who was passive and told him not to, even though Malcolm continued to pursue action against the police.
Exactly. I've read a couple of Malcom X's books and seen a few of his videos and he was deep. People want to put him as the opposite of MLK, almost like a 'shit starter'. Although they had opposing viewpoints, they stood for the same thing.
"And that's another reason why we don't picket with you. As reverend said we're not non violent... but when we demonstrate we are ready to die or ready to see that someone else dies...this is the only reason that we don't become involved in these non violent demonstrations"- Malcolm X
Everything abt Dr. King demonstrates courage. Dr. King was the most courageous person at that time. What he did was true then , today n will be true forever!
This is true. Malcolm wanted to confront the police directly after the unarmed Muslims were killed in California, but Elijah didn't sign off on it. When he broke from the nation, Malcolm advocated Blacks arming themselves for self defense purposes. The Black Panthers would later fulfill this wish.
Many have tried to compare Martin Luther King to Malcom X and say King did more for black people than Malcolm did. However, Malcolm’s goal wasn’t to do for us. He wanted us to do for ourselves - and think for ourselves. So, if we still insist on making such a comparison we simply have to look in the mirror. Google, Malcolm / inner civilization
Cornel West is a brilliant man there's no doubt about it, he knows his stuff, but I think he was a little off when he said NOI didn't have a direct conflict with the U.S. The NOI did have a conflict with the U.S, but a different conflict that challenged black people to rethink about what was told about their history, and to build a sense a self pride. Some conflicts don't require people to go to jail, not in all cases.
I agree,whole heartedly,what bothers me,are all those who knew Malcolm personally,ate at his table,prayed,sat in his living room,and called him "Brother"and etc.,act as if they are afraid to tell his story,the "True" story of Malcolm.For instance,Ghandi,he slept with an AK 47,and 45,and had armed guards.He wanted his people to stop fighting and unite to drive the British out of India.They talk about Malcolm like everything was okay until he came along.But our leaders are full of political Bull!
He mentioned Malcolm X, and Malcolm Little, but not El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. Malcolm thoroughly separated himself from the nation of Islam and learned True Islam on his trip to Mecca. Unfortunately no one seems to remember that. Malcolm's greatest contribution is that he more than any other black leader made black people proud to be black. It is also easy to forgot that black people were not only segregated but they were suffering from an inferiority complex that Malcolm helped to cure.
I agree totally. I feel like Cornell is belittling Malcolm. Martin NEVER went to the UN to present charges against the U.S. for crimes against humanity. Going to jail dozens of times does not make martin courageous. Martin wanted us to turn the other cheek just so both sides can get slapped. I respect martin's view but they weren't as profound as getting fair treatment by any means necessary.
I think Malcolm's speeches and personna was an icon for black MANHOOD. That's what I think Tavis was talking about. But Malcolm X was definitely more free than most black leaders, that I think is unquestionable.
Malcolm was the NOI's "National Minister." That's a title of "leadership." Ask the NOI, Malcolm was task at SETTING UP mosques ACROSS the USA. A "spokesperson" does NOT establish physical buildings of worship & fellowship. The US Ambassador is a "spokesperson" WITH NO POWER to establish US embassies on foreign land. But the Secretary of State has that power (with congressional & foreign approval). Malcolm trained "ministers" & the FOI & secured locations & legal backing to establish a mosque. That's what leaders DO. A drill sergeant is a leader. A major, captain, & colonel are leaders although they have NO standing armies of themselves. I'm not a NOI member but review history. West claims the NOI wasn't willing to go to jail. Smart move. NOI did protest (not the same as boycott) & often called white people "devils" to their faces. So how come the white police & citizen mobs never sicked dogs & lynchings on them? Because racist white folks understand the difference between a pro black nationalist non violent man & a pro black nationalist militant man. One you can fuck with, the other you leave the fuck alone. Or else. This is why history testifies to us: racist white folks never physically attack the militant black men & women (Panthers, Israelites, NOI) but rather just the platitude speaking black folks (UNIA-ACL, King's sheep, BLM, Rodney Kingers). Black folks, beware of those slick talking Negros who use semantics & long winded rhetoric to uproot you out of your common sense & into their delusional faiths.
With all due respect to the good Doctor West, he's speaking from a place of ignorance about the internal structure of the NOI. Malcolm X was most certainly a leader in that he lead the recruitment, expansion, and training of the sweeping majority of the NOI's membership. His superior leadership skills was the source of the tension and schism between he and Elijah. Futhermore, the NOI, despite its faults, disproved King's dichotomous contention "non-violence or non-existence".
Malcolm saw the best way to help black people he was always on point never coded his words and wasn't against being violent if it took that is what I liked about him yet Dr.King had a non violent approach that would work in some instances but not all.malcom was a true educator for black and this man right here is a great educator to he thinks before speaking.
2. He even forbade frisking people although his life was under threat due to the respect he had for oppressed people and not making them feel like criminals, and in so doing confronted eye to eye with the barrel of guns, that is awe-inspiring bravery and dignity and sacrifice and inspiration. tbc
Beautiful!! "If I had KNOWN better, I would have done better". THAT is the key. Once we KNOW how to be a free people we will be a free people. This applies to any people, control your own lives, economics, ideology and thus, politics. This is what a free people do. Divide and conquer is the tool of those who want to control you. "They may have my dead body but not my obedience". Gandhi
King was a Spokesperson for the church they talked him into speaking in the first place Nobody Had to tell Malcolm anything he saw & lived it once he opened his eyes he Spoke Truth To Power
Some one once told me that if either MLK or Malcom X didn't exist we would not have accomplioshed what we had in the civil rights movement. White america was given a choice wether by violence or non-violence we African americans would no-longer eccept oppression. I wish folk would also recognize the name El Haj Malik Shabazz. This is the former Malcom X's new name after converting to true Islam.
Wow! All due respect, two of the most influential black men, although lacking the intestinal fortitude to qualify to mention a word against the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, or Bro. Malcolm X
What Brother West is saying is very true, however Brother Malcolm said repeatedly, using careful terminology during his membership in the NOI and more uncompromisingly afterward, that he was frustrated by this non-engagement policy of the NOI. His actions after leaving this organization speak to a more direct confrontation with the apparatus of oppression and a more selfless courage than any other: he attempted to bring the US government before the Hague, and he got 21 bullets in the chest.
@xMPCxx To go further, Malcolm transcended the NOI to the extent that even those within became jealous of him and manouvered(sp) to be ousted from the NOI. Dr.King was also a spokesperson for SCLC; but not everyone was on board with Dr.King. Stokley Carmichael of SNCC disagreed with the tactics; Roy Wilkins of the NAACP, Whitney Young of the Nat'l Urban League disagreed with him on opposing involvement in Vietnam. Dr.King was not the only voice in the Civil Rights struggle.
Are the people below mad at Cornel for saying Malcolm wasn't a leader while he was in the NOI aware that this was a perspective Malcolm himself shared by the time he left?
Dr. West never said children and women should be used as shields. He implied that as a people fighting for justice. All is put on the line. If you are serious. Liberty or death is the only strategy that is viable. That means all men, women, and children. Have to be willing to take a stand. No one is exempt. And that is courage.
The key word Tavis used was "Freer". Clearly Malcom was uncensored and didn't give a damn about the way you took the truth from him. Martin had a different approach. It was almost like he felt, "If I play nicely, they will let me play" As for Cornell's view, it misses the point that the NOI felt that the "civil rights" fighters were fighting a pointless battle, countering violence with speeches & trysts . Never in the history of blacks has freedom been won by a poem. Ask Toussaint Louverture
Cornell West is missing the point he needs to make the distinction between malcolm X the speaker for the NOI and the one that wanted to go in another direction when the follower was beaten up by police in NYC Malcolm acted on his own, when the follower was killed in LA he had to conform, to compare him to poliies that he didn't personally agree with is foolish.
Also, brotha West's insistence on avoiding the question at hand is unsettling. He answered beautifully and with eloquence, but he answered everything except the question at hand. Which leaves one to wonder, "What are his true feelings regarding Malcolm X?" and "What, if anything of merit, does he employ from Malcolm's example?" He criticizes the NOI's unwillingness to directly confront state tyranny, which is erroneous, yet exhibits that same reservation.
These guys are jokers. In what world is it brave to send your children into a space you yourself are afraid of? That was a cowardly move. And when the hoses and dogs were set upon them the parents didn't get guns and kill the police and firefighters.
He spoke more about the nation and Elijah than malcom .. He must not have finished the story - Malcom sacrificed far too much to have his name tarnished by this fool
I like what professor West say, but one has to get the record all the way straight to clear the true understanding of the facts. First we have to understand, those who supported Brother King, most of them had done everything humanly possible to please the country to try to be accepted. Who fought for a country oppressed them, against a country who did not wanted to be oppressed by America. Then came back to oppressed America and join the oppressed secret organizations against their own people. Who then start protesting against the oppressed country they fought for, not fight for their right, but begged for it. Which is strange when one have enough of heart to fight for something do not benefit them. Who brought about a nation of beggars, for something other countries fighting for. Who stepped on other who had a different approach than them, who help destroy all the other movements, which we see now why. Who have full control of the people thinking. Who taught the people to be proud of taking the second class citizenship. Who wiped out every group display respect for how the human was designed to be, and accepted all the group who went against the natural order of nature. Which today I still don't understand the excitement about being something you was not designed to be. I have to give the Nation a lot of credit because I know personally they made a big different in all institutions, with the help of some strong minded brothers who fought and changed the whole outlet of how the prison system was treating minorities. The two brothers Malcolm and Kings were spoke persons, with principles, morals, values, and respect for the things they believed in. Which did not take them to long to see through those they at one time believed in, thinking they were working with the same concept. Which the two found out they just were a lamb, waiting to be sacrificed, so they can use their name for the movements. Where today things had changed from a moral principle movement, to a high impressionist movement without any substance. Became the beginning of the raise and the great fall from grace. One can sugarcoat a lot of things, but the inside is still the same.
Just listen to Malcolm 's own words they ring true even today. He was a true prophet. No one could compare if you listen . He right that Malcolm WAS a spokesman he became a leader That's why he was killed because he became a leader however brief.
@Ki7689 You hit the nail on the head, cause whites did not take over this land with native Americans living in it with peace and love they used violence and hatred. I don't know any person who wouldn't defend themselves against someone if they were being attack. It is human nature to flight or fight. We as blacks need to defend our when it is necessary.
Mr West I feel what you are saying but you did not speak without being bias because you are a spokesman of Christianity. Therefore, you wouldn't acknowledge anything great about Malcolm that wpuld put him in a higher level than your precious Martin.
“Malco X was killed by a black gangster?” Whatta heck is this man talking about? Also, he says that Malcom C was not a leader? Man with afro is full of bs. Wish Malcom X was alive to put him on his damn place.
Beware of the the 3rd element of betrayal. Blacks who speak it but don't live it. Malcolm and Muhammed Ali gave us manhood, purpose, courage, honor, and pride. Sister are still our queens. They deserve our patience. Sure they have baggage. Not only society has beat them down but brother too. Yet they stay with us. All is forgiveable but one thing. Marrying outside your race as your sole objective. But you lose something when you do. Certain rights in the black community. Not respect.
By the time MLK came on the scene the NOI had become a movement to reform the BLACKMAN primarily not one for social or political change so it wouldn't have large numbers of followers going into the jails but it did have large numbers of followers coming out reformed. So the comparison is a bad one because there purpose was different.
+bahcsas hes mad that they dissaprove in the lack of care and aid that Obama the first "black" president has provided to their community so in essence hes mad that two black men dont like the actions of a presidential black men who in actuality represents white wall street.
+Oliver Green exactly! Black folks want so bad to hold to empty symbolism,it's sad. Any speaking against "the first black president" who bailed out the banks in the beginning of his Presidency and pushing the TPP on his way out,definitely makes you a "sell out".😒
In regards to civil rights, you must be willing to take up the banner "by any means necessary". Your enemy will not grow uncomfortable in his disrespect and disregard of you. Rather, he'll make a bed in it. Sometimes/most of the time, you must be willing to take calculated and defined action in order to create a border for your life to exist in a state of peace and opportunity.
Yes King was courageous but is it intelligent to put yourself and children in harms way? You can do more outside of a jail cell than inside. Malcolm told us to defend ourselves how could you disagree with something like that? Its not in any nature of any animal to turn the other cheek if that was he case no animal including us would exist.
Fear. Fear, of the very people that you once oppressed gaining the knowledge of themselves and their history and putting that strength to use. The very reason why slaves were not allowed to read. Knowledge is power, not only that but the land and resources would be available to create the environment to start another empire, one that could eventually crush Western society.
I disagree, Malcolm X was a leader by his very nature. The NOI or Elijah Muhammad selected Malcolm for his leadership abilities. Under Malcolm's leadership greater attention was directed to what I classify as a Christian sect. They had not grown to the level of practicing Islam as it was design by Allah and presented by the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) of 1400. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad had become ill and was under threat in many respects. I'm going to have to say that Malcolm X also had an understanding that Warith Deen Mohamed had already before his birth been selected to lead NOI to Sunni Islam. He and Malcolm X were very close and he though younger, actually was Malcolm's teacher and the one who questioned his father's teachings and influenced Malcolm to question the teachings validity. Both were targeted for death but Warith went underground while Malcolm X chose to come to the forefront.
I think what we see here is a perfect example of how people like Tavis Smiley, who have a massive platform, can unwittingly subscribe to a lesser agenda, a less-transformative, less-revolutionary narrative, even when they think their ideas are radical. Dr. West is a scholar, which is a much different role than that of Mr. Smiley's: for West credibility is his lifeblood, while for Tavis, his credibility rests in the ability to pull important thinkers together. Both are great men, nice video. thx.
That was one of the most deepest analysis of the Nation of Islam and Martin Luther King Jr.'s civil rights movements I have ever heard and it was true. Notice the Nation teased Martin but themselves never confronted directly the "racist apparatus" in the way the civil rights movement did. This cannot be overlooked or trivialized at all!
I love Malcolm X like everybody else but he wasn't the leader of his movement. He did follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad. But at a time from him being out in the streets on the frontline he started to see and learn more than Elijah Muhammad. He was teaching outside the NOI box and he needed to be silenced. You had new members coming to NOI because they wanted to learn from Malcolm X and not Elijah Muhammad. What that did was make the core members of the Nation mad thinking Malcolm had his own agenda. But he could not help what he was doing because Malcolm X was so powerful when he spoke and young muslims wanted to be like him. The NOI had to kill him because if he would have stayed alive he would have overshadowed Elijah Muhammad. From 1952 to 1960 Malcolm X brought over 20,000 members to the NOI. On his own he would of been a great leader but he was not giving the chance.
You're wrong. He found out that Elijah Mohammad didn't practice what he preached.. May b I'm far away to understand American politics but I surely can differentiates between apples and oranges. Elijah Mohammad felt that the popularity of Malcom X seems to overtake or overshadow him. And the rest is history. I too admire MLK non violence approach but sometimes a little bit of aggressiveness needs to be shown to those oppressor. All said, both men were the victim of their racist government and both were murdered, notwithstanding their violence or non violence stance. Ali, in my opinion would have killed if not for his expertise in boxing which generated a lot of money for the government. Regards frm Singapore....
What the flip is west saying? Elijah Mohammed opened the eyes of malcom, yes but that’s about it. He was just the match stick to ignite the fire in Malcolm and he didn’t even care about becoming a leader, he got kicked out of the noi and had to continue opening the eyes of plenty others, the way he just painted Malcolm is really upsetting. He was a spokesman AND a leader whether he held the position or not...
You put that beautifully. The beacon of hope. Perhaps had he lived today and formed his own organizations, Black movements would encourage Black children to educate themselves more so than they do now, and to be proud of who they are rather than trying to imitate white America. To understand their history, and to take on high professional positions. I love MLK for his harmony and sense of unity, but Malcolm X spoke as if he were to die tomorrow and had nothing to lose. Such CLASS!
Cornell West who and the F*** where you as a child. Is that person any where near who you are now? Malcolm X is a man's man. Ever heard of the student becoming better that the teacher. You question his leadership. Calling him a spokesman. He was the spirit of the real Black Man. Who dealt with his sisters regardless of her baggage. She was instrumental if keeping the brother alive during slavery. So we reward her how? We should live for ourselves and the next generation.
I would also disagree that Dr. King was the greatest of all Black leaders, he was one of the greats. To make such a remark is to belittle an approx. 500 year struggle of great leaders who forged the path for him. Dr. King himself had begun to lean toward Malcolm X and the Black Panther Party members they became conscious of a unified movement. For this reason they were assassinated. King began to question after disappointment whether turn the other cheek was the only way, during this era. I'm going to assume that both gentlemen are Pauline Christians (Smiley and West) in as much as this is a Pauline Christian country. The Christianity of Christ is not the Christianity of America. So, the Christian doctrine present to the slave was delivered by Pauline Christian slave masters. Knowledge is inter generationally transmitted and Pauline Christianity was and is the Christianity in America. Pauline Christianity is a mixture of paganism values and Christianity. Paul introduced this form of Christianity and was historically considered by Jesus' (PBUH) family, as a traitor. Once they killed King they created a statue bigger than life size that you have to look up to focus and the replica and is a subliminal tactic to worship what is left of a great mind, that is, a concrete statue. The pagan world worships materialism, objects, statues. This statue was imposed.
The bottom line every man has the right to protect himself...if not shouldn't lead or respect those willing to protect himself. When society undermines the strongest of us with undue provocation he has to believe conspiracy.
Man, I have been saying this since 2002 about the war power resolution of bush and I went to Iraq and fight. But yet, people demonize Obama worse than bush, please!
How long did murphy king do on jail compared to how long did elijah do in prison? Why did murphy king get his application to get a gun for self defense denied?
West is wrong here IMO. especially when he talks of martin having courage but putting his kids in the oppressive system. Is that courage or foolishness? Of course i have massive admiration for king but ultimately if Malcolm lived and was able to set up his own organisation the whole movement would of panned out different. A real revolution was needed IMO and it didnt happen. Just look at black america in the 70s 80s and 90s, hardly a massive improvement.
We can end discussion on this ... Name one way we've advanced civilization by killing or "hunting".... Let's not forget Civil War wasn't fought on freeing slaves it was fought over tariffs...
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"In many ways Malcolm was more free and more courageous than King."
Well said Tavis.
As usual, Cornell West nails it.
Dr. King even admitted years latter that his method may not have been the right way to go.
+tom11zz884 Exactly Dr. Martin Luther King jr by 1964 begin to change a lot of his thinking, he eventually kneow his non-violence situation was getting a of black people hurt & kill, black people & other should remember dr.king said himself he feel like with integration with white people he is leading black people into a burning house, I will always love, honor & admire Dr. Martin Luther King jr because he did so much for our people & he is one of our black gods & heroes.
tom11zz884 I understand where he was coming from at that point. But he got results.
@@naaimsharif749 in 1967, mlk was still preaching non violence as much as he usually did and in fact was vigilantly against the Vietnam war on the basis that it was violent.
@trueman mann I really wish king were alive just to see him rant against the Bush, Obama, and Trump administrations. Especially the Bush administrations.
@trueman mann MLK started acting more like Malcolm X
I am white, and a humanist. I have been involved in human rights, women's rights, and the Darfur movement. Having been abused growing up, I found solace in Malcolm X. Malcolm to me represents evolution and pragmatism. Malcolm was not any one ideology at any one time. Malcolm was a beautiful thinker and adapted to situations, knowing that no one solution could solve any and all problems. Malcolm reinvented the theoretical framework, but always had his feet firmly on the ground. We need Malcolm
Malcolm was leader...we all know he would always mention Elijah because he was loyal... however Malcolm was a leader take a look around Cornell... Malcolm is still a leader.
Very true
Malcolm WAS A SPOKESMAN, a great SPOKESMAN to be sure, and not a leader of any movement or organization, he was killed before his work with the organization he founded, the AAU came to fruition, this fact however in no way diminishes his legacy.
Anyone who says Malcolm was a leader is misinformed and should not be listened to. Maybe their followers and follow him but anyone who did more than 1 hour of research knows who malcolm was loyal to. Maybe towards the end , he tried / wanted to build his own but wasn't very successful since his life was cut short.
Malcolm X was the greatest civil rights leader of all times
Sad reality is that Malcolm X, his thoughts and his leadership scare these two men to death. That's why Smiley says "Non-violence or non-existence" and West denies his leadership. Because the idea of Blacks truly doing for self without the assistance of Whites, this includes defending ourselves adequately, seems unfathomable to them. This is why Malcolm X was always so deeply frustrated by Black intellectuals, because they were never willing to make true sacrifices, especially after having worked so hard for personal achievement. I don't blame them for this, but call it what it is and don't use your intellectualism to downgrade Malcolm X; that would be honest.
+rred2002 wrong he wanted a Black United Front...After He died it was Stokely who advocated for the same thing...
Asalan Ibrahim you're absolutely right.
I see you never heard King explain his philosophy on non violence. He said that it had to be non violent protests are we wouldn’t have survived. They would’ve destroyed us if we were protesting violently. They had and still have law enforcement and the military who wouldn’t have mind taking us out, we didn’t have and don’t have nothing in comparison. So that’s why he had to take that approach and that’s why Tavis is saying what he’s saying. West is totally disrespecting and hating on Malcolm.
Ides94 you make a compelling argument but I fully disagree with your first post on Malcolm. I’d highly suggest you read his autobiography and get some kind of understanding of why he approached things that way. Malcolm was a product of the streets and a hot head at that. Sort of like Pac when he was with death row, always looking to start shit. But a very smart and intellectual man who soon cane to realize the power behind what King was doing and actually wanted to partner up with up with him. We all go through that kind of awakening when we realize that we need to make changes on how we’re approaching thing’s..
@epics7 well said.
If Malcolm X never join the Nation of Islam there would not have been as many members. It was Malcolm who put the NOI on the map. He had more knowledge and was more articulate than Elijah. And if you don't believe me then TH-cam Elijah Muhammad and listen to him speak compared to when Malcolm speaks. No, Elijah was in charge but Malcolm X was the real leader in terms of his vision, which was restricted and handcuffed by the NOI.
Truth Hitman THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
If Malcolm never joined the noi we wouldn't know him at all
I disagree with Dr West for saying Malcolm X was not a leader but a spokesman but the fact of the matter is that Malcolm X was a leader but still under the leader of the Elijah Mohamed,nowonder he still had followers even when he left the nation of islam.
Leadership is not just about having an organisation and putting people in motion but influence and Malcolm X was and is still influencing lives across the globe me included after having read his autobigraghy but its unfortunate that the african american only celebrate "uncle tom"..................who advocated for a very unrealistic philosophy of fighting your enemy with love.come on
Victor Asifiwe Chaungwe Jr i'm almost done with Malcolm's autobiography. It is one of the best books i've ever read.
That's great to hear
Victor Asifiwe Quiet as it's kept MLK started having secret meetings with Elijah Muhammad and began acting more like Malcolm X in his later years.
Martin was a shield
@@michaelgray1803 In his early years in the Civil Rights era he was a shield but later on he realized that he was being used by the very ppl who propped him up. Then he started acting more like Malcolm X in his later speeches.
We went from Malcolm X and even King to these 2, what a sadness
Louis farrakhan is the last leader
@@muhammadbaksh3572 Please, Farrakhan is a worm who's only concerned about his own ass. Don't forget, he's the reason Malcolm is dead.
Malcolm X will still be remembered for what hes done. These two wont.
3. After he left NOI and embraced orthodox Islam, he was invited to the University of Oxford, the highest seat of learning in the world at that time, for a debate. there is a 10 minute segment readily available if you just type into google, malcolm x oxford debate there you will witness what he was about, he is a luminary beacon of wisdom, sincerity, compassion and courage, one of the greatest inspirations humanity has ever produced.
I am not going to fall for that old game by debating whether Malcolm X or Dr King was better. This is a silly debate in my opinion and since both were fighting for us and died on our behalf. Both men are the same..great black giant fighters who use different strategies in combat. I would be a fool to question their honor in such trivial ways.
During the later years of his life, King recognized how his efforts were being undermined by those who were publicly aligning themselves with him. In 1967 and 1968 King began to speak about a militant non-violence which ground the gears of society to a halt. He began adopting black power vocabulary - he didn't talk like X but he wasn't King of 1960 either - he transformation threatened the establishment, this is why he was killed.
I love these 2 intellectuals Tavis Smiley and Professor Cornell West, they broke subjects down where you could understand and think about what was said from their lips.
Malcolm x denounced Elijah muhammad and his way. He embraced main stream Sunni Islam.
I love Malcolm X. He taught me alot, but Ive also grown wise enough to know these two are right .... Nonviolence is the only course.. Violence will destroy everything we have worked so hard to build.
I like think Malcolm also evolved to this position. I am most proud of his evolution beyond the nation
Malcolm represented change in the individual. A man who made the ultimate sacrifice one can make of himself; to admit you were wrong...and change. That's where "change" takes place. One human at a time. In you, yourself.
Not to cast any least favors on Dr. King in any sense, but these two brothers were like the bow and the stern of a ship. They instructed us to be the mid-ship. To flex and bend and not to break. To carry the load. To bare the weight To carry the cross.❤️
Sincerity and genuineness, was the importance of Malcolm X
Well said. Self defense is an inherent, natural right, and while MLK and others were willing to relinquish that right, Malcolm acknowledged it as a valuable tool in claiming and asserting independence as a people.
I agree. They never protested because they didn't believe in it, not because they were fearful of anything. Malcolm X was fearless. With the police brutality incident in California, Malcolm promised to avenge those killed, it was Elijah who was passive and told him not to, even though Malcolm continued to pursue action against the police.
Still, Dr. King always had courage in his life. That is true.
Exactly. I've read a couple of Malcom X's books and seen a few of his videos and he was deep. People want to put him as the opposite of MLK, almost like a 'shit starter'. Although they had opposing viewpoints, they stood for the same thing.
It's pretty clear that Malcom always wanted to confront the apparatus but was restrained by Elijah and the Chicago leadership !
"And that's another reason why we don't picket with you. As reverend said we're not non violent... but when we demonstrate we are ready to die or ready to see that someone else dies...this is the only reason that we don't become involved in these non violent demonstrations"- Malcolm X
Everything abt Dr. King demonstrates courage. Dr. King was the most courageous person at that time. What he did was true then , today n will be true forever!
This is true. Malcolm wanted to confront the police directly after the unarmed Muslims were killed in California, but Elijah didn't sign off on it. When he broke from the nation, Malcolm advocated Blacks arming themselves for self defense purposes. The Black Panthers would later fulfill this wish.
Many have tried to compare Martin Luther King to Malcom X and say King did more for black people than Malcolm did. However, Malcolm’s goal wasn’t to do for us. He wanted us to do for ourselves - and think for ourselves. So, if we still insist on making such a comparison we simply have to look in the mirror.
Google, Malcolm / inner civilization
I can see that about Malcolm X being more free and courageous than Dr. King.
what respect I did have for these 2 I no longer have. just shows us how strong Brotha' Malcolm was. Christians have Jesus, give malcolm!
Nonviolent or nonexistent that's why we're where we are
When it came to self reliance Malcolm X was spouting the same thing that MARCUS GARVEY preached in the '30s-'40s before his untimely death.
Cornel West is a brilliant man there's no doubt about it, he knows his stuff, but I think he was a little off when he said NOI didn't have a direct conflict with the U.S. The NOI did have a conflict with the U.S, but a different conflict that challenged black people to rethink about what was told about their history, and to build a sense a self pride. Some conflicts don't require people to go to jail, not in all cases.
Dr. King was a educated brother malcolm was a genius that's all
I strongly disagree with you saying "they are nothing," without X.
I agree,whole heartedly,what bothers me,are all those who knew Malcolm personally,ate at his table,prayed,sat in his living room,and called him "Brother"and etc.,act as if they are afraid to tell his story,the "True" story of Malcolm.For instance,Ghandi,he slept with an AK 47,and 45,and had armed guards.He wanted his people to stop fighting and unite to drive the British out of India.They talk about Malcolm like everything was okay until he came along.But our leaders are full of political Bull!
He mentioned Malcolm X, and Malcolm Little, but not El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. Malcolm thoroughly separated himself from the nation of Islam and learned True Islam on his trip to Mecca. Unfortunately no one seems to remember that. Malcolm's greatest contribution is that he more than any other black leader made black people proud to be black. It is also easy to forgot that black people were not only segregated but they were suffering from an inferiority complex that Malcolm helped to cure.
I agree totally. I feel like Cornell is belittling Malcolm. Martin NEVER went to the UN to present charges against the U.S. for crimes against humanity. Going to jail dozens of times does not make martin courageous. Martin wanted us to turn the other cheek just so both sides can get slapped. I respect martin's view but they weren't as profound as getting fair treatment by any means necessary.
I think Malcolm's speeches and personna was an icon for black MANHOOD. That's what I think Tavis was talking about. But Malcolm X was definitely more free than most black leaders, that I think is unquestionable.
Malcolm was the NOI's "National Minister." That's a title of "leadership." Ask the NOI, Malcolm was task at SETTING UP mosques ACROSS the USA. A "spokesperson" does NOT establish physical buildings of worship & fellowship. The US Ambassador is a "spokesperson" WITH NO POWER to establish US embassies on foreign land. But the Secretary of State has that power (with congressional & foreign approval). Malcolm trained "ministers" & the FOI & secured locations & legal backing to establish a mosque. That's what leaders DO. A drill sergeant is a leader. A major, captain, & colonel are leaders although they have NO standing armies of themselves. I'm not a NOI member but review history. West claims the NOI wasn't willing to go to jail. Smart move. NOI did protest (not the same as boycott) & often called white people "devils" to their faces. So how come the white police & citizen mobs never sicked dogs & lynchings on them? Because racist white folks understand the difference between a pro black nationalist non violent man & a pro black nationalist militant man. One you can fuck with, the other you leave the fuck alone. Or else. This is why history testifies to us: racist white folks never physically attack the militant black men & women (Panthers, Israelites, NOI) but rather just the platitude speaking black folks (UNIA-ACL, King's sheep, BLM, Rodney Kingers). Black folks, beware of those slick talking Negros who use semantics & long winded rhetoric to uproot you out of your common sense & into their delusional faiths.
With all due respect to the good Doctor West, he's speaking from a place of ignorance about the internal structure of the NOI. Malcolm X was most certainly a leader in that he lead the recruitment, expansion, and training of the sweeping majority of the NOI's membership. His superior leadership skills was the source of the tension and schism between he and Elijah.
Futhermore, the NOI, despite its faults, disproved King's dichotomous contention "non-violence or non-existence".
Malcolm saw the best way to help black people he was always on point never coded his words and wasn't against being violent if it took that is what I liked about him yet Dr.King had a non violent approach that would work in some instances but not all.malcom was a true educator for black and this man right here is a great educator to he thinks before speaking.
2. He even forbade frisking people although his life was under threat due to the respect he had for oppressed people and not making them feel like criminals, and in so doing confronted eye to eye with the barrel of guns, that is awe-inspiring bravery and dignity and sacrifice and inspiration. tbc
Brilliant exposition by Dr West. Brilliant.
Beautiful!! "If I had KNOWN better, I would have done better". THAT is the key. Once we KNOW how to be a free people we will be a free people. This applies to any people, control your own lives, economics, ideology and thus, politics. This is what a free people do. Divide and conquer is the tool of those who want to control you. "They may have my dead body but not my obedience". Gandhi
Cornel West is awesome to listen to. He teaches so much.
King was a Spokesperson for the church they talked him into speaking in the first place
Nobody Had to tell Malcolm anything he saw & lived it once he opened his eyes he Spoke Truth To Power
Smiley is smart humanbeen we need more intelectuel like this as black men and the world need men like this at this time l
I deeply disagree Cornell West about Malcolm X!
Some one once told me that if either MLK or Malcom X didn't exist we would not have accomplioshed what we had in the civil rights movement. White america was given a choice wether by violence or non-violence we African americans would no-longer eccept oppression.
I wish folk would also recognize the name El Haj Malik Shabazz. This is the former Malcom X's new name after converting to true Islam.
Wow! All due respect, two of the most influential black men, although lacking the intestinal fortitude to qualify to mention a word against the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, or Bro. Malcolm X
What Brother West is saying is very true, however Brother Malcolm said repeatedly, using careful terminology during his membership in the NOI and more uncompromisingly afterward, that he was frustrated by this non-engagement policy of the NOI. His actions after leaving this organization speak to a more direct confrontation with the apparatus of oppression and a more selfless courage than any other: he attempted to bring the US government before the Hague, and he got 21 bullets in the chest.
@xMPCxx To go further, Malcolm transcended the NOI to the extent that even those within became jealous of him and manouvered(sp) to be ousted from the NOI. Dr.King was also a spokesperson for SCLC; but not everyone was on board with Dr.King. Stokley Carmichael of SNCC disagreed with the tactics; Roy Wilkins of the NAACP, Whitney Young of the Nat'l Urban League disagreed with him on opposing involvement in Vietnam. Dr.King was not the only voice in the Civil Rights struggle.
Are the people below mad at Cornel for saying Malcolm wasn't a leader while he was in the NOI aware that this was a perspective Malcolm himself shared by the time he left?
Dr. West never said children and women should be used as shields. He implied that as a people fighting for justice. All is put on the line. If you are serious. Liberty or death is the only strategy that is viable. That means all men, women, and children. Have to be willing to take a stand. No one is exempt. And that is courage.
Challenging folks to reexamine their assumptions to expand the inventory of our ideals.
X was a leader and you can not lead a leader unless he let you lead willingly not blindly and that what happened with X .
I see where your coming from, BUT you forget how influential the media can be.
The key word Tavis used was "Freer". Clearly Malcom was uncensored and didn't give a damn about the way you took the truth from him. Martin had a different approach. It was almost like he felt, "If I play nicely, they will let me play" As for Cornell's view, it misses the point that the NOI felt that the "civil rights" fighters were fighting a pointless battle, countering violence with speeches & trysts . Never in the history of blacks has freedom been won by a poem. Ask Toussaint Louverture
Cornell West is missing the point he needs to make the distinction between malcolm X the speaker for the NOI and the one that wanted to go in another direction when the follower was beaten up by police in NYC Malcolm acted on his own, when the follower was killed in LA he had to conform, to compare him to poliies that he didn't personally agree with is foolish.
Malcolm x was more free and courageous then martin luthe king
Also, brotha West's insistence on avoiding the question at hand is unsettling. He answered beautifully and with eloquence, but he answered everything except the question at hand. Which leaves one to wonder, "What are his true feelings regarding Malcolm X?" and "What, if anything of merit, does he employ from Malcolm's example?"
He criticizes the NOI's unwillingness to directly confront state tyranny, which is erroneous, yet exhibits that same reservation.
Malcolm X can touch
These guys are jokers. In what world is it brave to send your children into a space you yourself are afraid of? That was a cowardly move. And when the hoses and dogs were set upon them the parents didn't get guns and kill the police and firefighters.
Malcolm thought West needs a haircut
He spoke more about the nation and Elijah than malcom .. He must not have finished the story - Malcom sacrificed far too much to have his name tarnished by this fool
I like what professor West say, but one has to get the record all the way straight to clear the true understanding of the facts. First we have to understand, those who supported Brother King, most of them had done everything humanly possible to please the country to try to be accepted. Who fought for a country oppressed them, against a country who did not wanted to be oppressed by America. Then came back to oppressed America and join the oppressed secret organizations against their own people. Who then start protesting against the oppressed country they fought for, not fight for their right, but begged for it. Which is strange when one have enough of heart to fight for something do not benefit them. Who brought about a nation of beggars, for something other countries fighting for. Who stepped on other who had a different approach than them, who help destroy all the other movements, which we see now why. Who have full control of the people thinking. Who taught the people to be proud of taking the second class citizenship. Who wiped out every group display respect for how the human was designed to be, and accepted all the group who went against the natural order of nature. Which today I still don't understand the excitement about being something you was not designed to be. I have to give the Nation a lot of credit because I know personally they made a big different in all institutions, with the help of some strong minded brothers who fought and changed the whole outlet of how the prison system was treating minorities. The two brothers Malcolm and Kings were spoke persons, with principles, morals, values, and respect for the things they believed in. Which did not take them to long to see through those they at one time believed in, thinking they were working with the same concept. Which the two found out they just were a lamb, waiting to be sacrificed, so they can use their name for the movements. Where today things had changed from a moral principle movement, to a high impressionist movement without any substance. Became the beginning of the raise and the great fall from grace. One can sugarcoat a lot of things, but the inside is still the same.
Malcolm X is a hero! And he told the truth!
Just listen to Malcolm 's own words they ring true even today. He was a true prophet. No one could compare if you listen . He right that Malcolm WAS a spokesman he became a leader That's why he was killed because he became a leader however brief.
@Ki7689 You hit the nail on the head, cause whites did not take over this land with native Americans living in it with peace and love they used violence and hatred. I don't know any person who wouldn't defend themselves against someone if they were being attack. It is human nature to flight or fight. We as blacks need to defend our when it is necessary.
Well if Elijah Poole Would haven't put out the HIT on Malcolm Little-X he would have finish starting his on Organization
Mr West I feel what you are saying but you did not speak without being bias because you are a spokesman of Christianity. Therefore, you wouldn't acknowledge anything great about Malcolm that wpuld put him in a higher level than your precious Martin.
“Malco X was killed by a black gangster?” Whatta heck is this man talking about? Also, he says that Malcom C was not a leader? Man with afro is full of bs. Wish Malcom X was alive to put him on his damn place.
How about you put West in his place right now yourself. Otherwise, I in deep agreement with Cornell West.
Beware of the the 3rd element of betrayal. Blacks who speak it but don't live it. Malcolm and Muhammed Ali gave us manhood, purpose, courage, honor, and pride. Sister are still our queens. They deserve our patience. Sure they have baggage. Not only society has beat them down but brother too. Yet they stay with us. All is forgiveable but one thing. Marrying outside your race as your sole objective. But you lose something when you do. Certain rights in the black community. Not respect.
Great stuff!
I disagree with Dr. Cornell West view on Martin putting children on the frontline was courageous? These so-called intellectuals...
By the time MLK came on the scene the NOI had become a movement to reform the BLACKMAN primarily not one for social or political change so it wouldn't have large numbers of followers going into the jails but it did have large numbers of followers coming out reformed. So the comparison is a bad one because there purpose was different.
if you did not know what a sellout look like you have two examples
+teyon millen Why do you say that?
+bahcsas hes mad that they dissaprove in the lack of care and aid that Obama the first "black" president has provided to their community so in essence hes mad that two black men dont like the actions of a presidential black men who in actuality represents white wall street.
+Oliver Green exactly! Black folks want so bad to hold to empty symbolism,it's sad. Any speaking against "the first black president" who bailed out the banks in the beginning of his Presidency and pushing the TPP on his way out,definitely makes you a "sell out".😒
In regards to civil rights, you must be willing to take up the banner "by any means necessary". Your enemy will not grow uncomfortable in his disrespect and disregard of you. Rather, he'll make a bed in it. Sometimes/most of the time, you must be willing to take calculated and defined action in order to create a border for your life to exist in a state of peace and opportunity.
Yes King was courageous but is it intelligent to put yourself and children in harms way? You can do more outside of a jail cell than inside. Malcolm told us to defend ourselves how could you disagree with something like that? Its not in any nature of any animal to turn the other cheek if that was he case no animal including us would exist.
You mean Elijah was nothing without Malcolm. Malcolm made the so called organization.
Dr. West makes an excellent point. I didn't think of it like that
But how will that change come if most people are not willing to make it?
Fear. Fear, of the very people that you once oppressed gaining the knowledge of themselves and their history and putting that strength to use. The very reason why slaves were not allowed to read. Knowledge is power, not only that but the land and resources would be available to create the environment to start another empire, one that could eventually crush Western society.
I disagree, Malcolm X was a leader by his very nature. The NOI or Elijah Muhammad selected Malcolm for his leadership abilities. Under Malcolm's leadership greater attention was directed to what I classify as a Christian sect. They had not grown to the level of practicing Islam as it was design by Allah and presented by the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) of 1400. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad had become ill and was under threat in many respects. I'm going to have to say that Malcolm X also had an understanding that Warith Deen Mohamed had already before his birth been selected to lead NOI to Sunni Islam. He and Malcolm X were very close and he though younger, actually was Malcolm's teacher and the one who questioned his father's teachings and influenced Malcolm to question the teachings validity. Both were targeted for death but Warith went underground while Malcolm X chose to come to the forefront.
I think what we see here is a perfect example of how people like Tavis Smiley, who have a massive platform, can unwittingly subscribe to a lesser agenda, a less-transformative, less-revolutionary narrative, even when they think their ideas are radical. Dr. West is a scholar, which is a much different role than that of Mr. Smiley's: for West credibility is his lifeblood, while for Tavis, his credibility rests in the ability to pull important thinkers together. Both are great men, nice video. thx.
That was one of the most deepest analysis of the Nation of Islam and Martin Luther King Jr.'s civil rights movements I have ever heard and it was true. Notice the Nation teased Martin but themselves never confronted directly the "racist apparatus" in the way the civil rights movement did. This cannot be overlooked or trivialized at all!
I love Malcolm X like everybody else but he wasn't the leader of his movement. He did follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad. But at a time from him being out in the streets on the frontline he started to see and learn more than Elijah Muhammad. He was teaching outside the NOI box and he needed to be silenced. You had new members coming to NOI because they wanted to learn from Malcolm X and not Elijah Muhammad. What that did was make the core members of the Nation mad thinking Malcolm had his own agenda. But he could not help what he was doing because Malcolm X was so powerful when he spoke and young muslims wanted to be like him. The NOI had to kill him because if he would have stayed alive he would have overshadowed Elijah Muhammad. From 1952 to 1960 Malcolm X brought over 20,000 members to the NOI. On his own he would of been a great leader but he was not giving the chance.
You're wrong. He found out that Elijah Mohammad didn't practice what he preached.. May b I'm far away to understand American politics but I surely can differentiates between apples and oranges. Elijah Mohammad felt that the popularity of Malcom X seems to overtake or overshadow him. And the rest is history. I too admire MLK non violence approach but sometimes a little bit of aggressiveness needs to be shown to those oppressor. All said, both men were the victim of their racist government and both were murdered, notwithstanding their violence or non violence stance. Ali, in my opinion would have killed if not for his expertise in boxing which generated a lot of money for the government. Regards frm Singapore....
What the flip is west saying? Elijah Mohammed opened the eyes of malcom, yes but that’s about it. He was just the match stick to ignite the fire in Malcolm and he didn’t even care about becoming a leader, he got kicked out of the noi and had to continue opening the eyes of plenty others, the way he just painted Malcolm is really upsetting. He was a spokesman AND a leader whether he held the position or not...
You put that beautifully. The beacon of hope. Perhaps had he lived today and formed his own organizations, Black movements would encourage Black children to educate themselves more so than they do now, and to be proud of who they are rather than trying to imitate white America. To understand their history, and to take on high professional positions. I love MLK for his harmony and sense of unity, but Malcolm X spoke as if he were to die tomorrow and had nothing to lose. Such CLASS!
Cornell West who and the F*** where you as a child. Is that person any where near who you are now? Malcolm X is a man's man. Ever heard of the student becoming better that the teacher. You question his leadership. Calling him a spokesman. He was the spirit of the real Black Man. Who dealt with his sisters regardless of her baggage. She was instrumental if keeping the brother alive during slavery. So we reward her how? We should live for ourselves and the next generation.
I would also disagree that Dr. King was the greatest of all Black leaders, he was one of the greats. To make such a remark is to belittle an approx. 500 year struggle of great leaders who forged the path for him. Dr. King himself had begun to lean toward Malcolm X and the Black Panther Party members they became conscious of a unified movement. For this reason they were assassinated. King began to question after disappointment whether turn the other cheek was the only way, during this era. I'm going to assume that both gentlemen are Pauline Christians (Smiley and West) in as much as this is a Pauline Christian country. The Christianity of Christ is not the Christianity of America. So, the Christian doctrine present to the slave was delivered by Pauline Christian slave masters. Knowledge is inter generationally transmitted and Pauline Christianity was and is the Christianity in America. Pauline Christianity is a mixture of paganism values and Christianity. Paul introduced this form of Christianity and was historically considered by Jesus' (PBUH) family, as a traitor. Once they killed King they created a statue bigger than life size that you have to look up to focus and the replica and is a subliminal tactic to worship what is left of a great mind, that is, a concrete statue. The pagan world worships materialism, objects, statues. This statue was imposed.
The bottom line every man has the right to protect himself...if not shouldn't lead or respect those willing to protect himself. When society undermines the strongest of us with undue provocation he has to believe conspiracy.
I would love to have a sit down and pick the minds of these two men I call them brothers
Man, I have been saying this since 2002 about the war power resolution of bush and I went to Iraq and fight. But yet, people demonize Obama worse than bush, please!
How long did murphy king do on jail compared to how long did elijah do in prison? Why did murphy king get his application to get a gun for self defense denied?
West is wrong here IMO. especially when he talks of martin having courage but putting his kids in the oppressive system. Is that courage or foolishness? Of course i have massive admiration for king but ultimately if Malcolm lived and was able to set up his own organisation the whole movement would of panned out different. A real revolution was needed IMO and it didnt happen. Just look at black america in the 70s 80s and 90s, hardly a massive improvement.
one of Malcolm's assassin is still alive in New jersey
capoislamort100 William Bradley.
We can end discussion on this ... Name one way we've advanced civilization by killing or "hunting".... Let's not forget Civil War wasn't fought on freeing slaves it was fought over tariffs...
Man alot of good statements on here! For me, its education! I can't say enough what it does for you here in America! Educate yourself!!!!