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this is a bit commendable because this the first audiophile portable that is finally a smartphone whereas existing similar products pretend it can't be a smartphone e.g. no modem and cameras. however, this exposes the awkwardness of high end audio industry, it has been good enough for a decade or two already-the average music listener these days just want convenience like lossy music formats and wireless speakers
we need more phones that don't try to make themselves your photography device.... much less support vanity culture. I'm would love to see a phone that ships with a .1 meg front camera and basically says "what? it's a checkbox"
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks Well I mean, what else is the point of your phone? My phone is literally just for sometimes calls, TH-cam, web browsing, and taking photos. Photos are a pretty important thing for most people, nobody wants to be carrying around a dedicated camera and everyone wants as good photos as possible, which is normal and reasonable. Idk what else I'd want my phone to do better apart from battery life and repairability.
@@joeykeilholz925 for their type of company it won't damage. Linus wasn't even listening properly. Just plugged iem and started telling that was probably in script already
The "not good but it works" line is "至少可以扫码" (lit. at least it can scan a QR code) on their Chinese website, which has been a meme from geek users who hate that companies are just keep making cameras better and larger in smartphones, because they "take no photos other than QR codes to scan and don't want a camera this big".
I am so tired of the "make everything thinner at all costs" nonsense. Instead of a camera bump or bar, just make the device a uniform thickness and include a larger battery.
Yup, the illusion of the next new shiny thing without actually being it. "Here, we now have 50% less fat candy but with all the same great flavour as our old one" (The candy bar is basically half the size of the original only with the same price).
Yup. I immediately put on a case so I don't care if my phone is thicker. I'd much rather more battery than a device so thin I worry about it bending in my pocket.
This. I genuinely cannot fathom why this is such a trend. Lay your phone on your desk, and it wobbles when you breathe. Also, a set of shoulder buttons as a standard. It could genuinely make so many things on a phone beyond just games.
Since i saw a LG sponsored ad it is my duty to say, Don't forget to opt out of them selling your data because they have it on by default out of the box, Its tucked away in the menus somewhere. They sell expensive products and still want more from you. 😮
And they stopped making phones when they could have competed aggressively in foldables (showcasing display tech) AND audiophile smartphone niches (speakers by Sennheiser, DAC-to-jack by Crinacle, etc.) 😒
you're not going to hear a difference in balanced output unless you're using really hard to drive headphones that are distorting at high gain on the non-balanced connection. it just adds like 3db of gain and makes it cleaner, but you wont hear those noises in the first place with 99% of headphones
Yeah, I think he and his team kinda missed the point of the feature. IEMs are not the point and while I get he’s not in the market for a portable DAC for hard to drive over ears….well there’s enough demand that portable DACs are its own product segment lol
@@aj0413_ the sad part is that the reason why LTT labs started, was because they needed better instrumentation to test headphones ... Then did nothing with it.
The part about Linus not really noticing a difference about balanced output or (4.4mm) at 9:30 is because Balanced output usually only provides more power (volume), The audio quality should be equal given the amplifier isn't designed in a way where the single ended or (3.5mm) output is poorly integrated and has a significant measurable difference.
@@pixels_per_inch Hello good question, balanced connections are useful for applications where you want the least amount of noise or distortion possible (this includes cross talk), such as a microphone. Or connecting a dac, to an amplifier. However in headphones these benefits won’t be noticeable, either due to the length of the wire, or well the distortion of headphone being much more than the electronics. To put it simply most of the benefits of balanced won’t be humanly audible on headphones, if your amplifier chain on single ended is already past the human threshold. Which nowadays even an apple dongle can surpass. The main benefit of balanced connections is differential, which allows an amplifier to provide much more power to a headphone making it subjectively sound better to most people.
Balanced outputs are usually for longer cable runs not the short cable like on most earphones. Longer cable runs between your DAC and powered studio monitors.
Every Moondrop product comes themed with a unique anime girl. I don't understand what the outrage is, it's literally one of their selling points. And that's literally an average anime girl.
@@rbnrod129 same here. I'm on my second V60 (the first one broke in an accident) and I am thinking to stock up while these still sell on the grey market.
It's werid right.. cuse most the time you see anti stuff there usually narcist. Linus being creep yes. talking about over sexualized just out of no were when its the most wholesome background ive seen. Hes talking about a fictional character like they have rights and are most likely drown by a women anyways lol who dose linc thinks voice lines all anime girls guys in there 50's xD why is he so anti anime everytime he revews stuff with it...
Right I like how he looks at something like Lofi girl and over sexulizis it... That tells me they are the one with the perverted mind... always has to look at the sexual side of stuff... Dudes always been anti anime every time...
balanced outputs increase the output by 3dB and reduce the distortion. If you can play it loud enough with unbalanced without any audible distortion you'll get nothing by switching to balanced, so no surprise that Linus can't hear any difference...
Okay I spent like hours a while ago trying to find a simple explanation for balanced outputs, and you're the second person I've seen who has said this. Do you recall where you learned this? Feel like I'm missing out! Lol
@@Enixious99 I fully understood it after looking at the way a balanced Dac is build. (In my Case the Fiio BTR5 / ESS ES9219C ) You can find it on the spec sheets. AudioScienceReview is also a good source. Tldr: you have 2x the same DAC side by side and you add up the Signal -> +3dB -> each Dac has to run lower to reach the same output as a single unbalanced -> lower distortion for same listening level
Their sponsor for this video, LG has an option in their TV's called "Do Not Sell My Personal Information". By default this option is not enabled. This means by default this their TV's will sell your data.
Compared to others the only difference I see is LG being honest about it, while others have that exact same thing but don't explicitly say "sale" and they use other terms.
Linus saying he can't carry a c to 3.5 dongle like he couldn't just leave the little dongle on the end of the headphones making me think he hasn't really tried it
you can't you have to charge the phone so the constant insertion and removal makes it a pain to keep track of and is definitely something that made me seek another solution he would benefit greatly from something like a Fiio BTR5, little DAC that works over a wire (acting like a USBC to 3.5mm adapter) as well as over bluetooth, meaning he can use his high quality IEMs as bluetooth buds for on the go
@@calxshaw06 They make adapters that also have a USC C input on the cable itself so you can charge and use aux at the same time. I keep a regular C>Aux cable in my wallet so it's always on me
Can i just say its crazy that LG sponsored a video about an audio focused phone? I fell like they recognize this and its a subtle nod to their Quad DAC phones
I think what would have been better to do is partner with an actual phone manufacturer, take their best phone and then make it audiophile capable like making an S24 Ultra with a 4.4mm headphone jack. Cause this is a product I'd love to have if the actual phone aspect was good as well. I carry around both my S22 Ultra and FiiO M11 Plus and it does get annoying carrying both.
I feel for you. The M11 is a thick boi. I think Sony would be our last hope to make something like that. Samsung went full steam ahead and removed the headphone jack.
@@orangeyellow-me1pz Sony will do that if there is a market for it, but be minded it will cost an arm and leg for that. With the same price as the MIAD you can only get an A100 walkman with a tiny screen and 16gb of internal. Their current Walkman lineup price average is 2k$. Imagine high performance phone + hi-fi audiophile centric device in the same package price wouldn't be pretty at all.
@@MarvelousXT you don't know Sony. Sony never follows trends. Maybe you're too young but there was a time where hi-res was popular. You could get a device sporting this feature from HTC, LG, ZTE, Marshall, Samsung (back when they made use of the Wolfson DAC), and I think Asus sold the ROG phone with a sabre DAC. You know who never cared to take part? Sony. Going off Sony's past decisions I can safely assume that they wouldn't budge.
@@orangeyellow-me1pz And that is why, they will not make a high performance phone + Walkman in the same package, not anytime soon. And the chance of Moondrop collab with Sony for a similar device is non-existent.
@@Humdinger69 ok, and do all the students of these universities look 14? I don't have a problem with the pic; it looks entirely innocent. But that's clearly a middle or high schooler. Just admit it, you don't have to do a bunch of mental gymnastics
Not surprised Linus is unable to hear the difference between balanced and un-balanced audio, as the main advantage of balanced is that it's able to drive more power. It does additionally reduce interference, however interference isnt usually much of an issue anyways
@@HyviaVideoitaMansenlale it does reduce interference. specifically crosstalk, as it makes both drivers completely seperate with their own amps and dac's.
You'd think they'd would throw in a pair of buds because... They're known for their audio and it'd be a throwback to when that was the bare minimum and stand out from the crowd.
@@stephen1r2 They have buds at well over $300 aswell. In other words they do all price ranges and what you are saying isn't entirely accurate especially because their cheapest iems are a mere $20
The balanced 4.4 connector only provides more power (at your preferred volume level) and less electromagnetic interference. If the headphones or IEMs are not tough to drive (require lots of power) and you're not having problems with EM interference, you won't notice a difference between using 3.5 and 4.4 connections.
I've swapped from my Samsung Galaxy Zfold 3 to this phone about a month ago, other than the camera (the sensor is fine but the software is awful, getting a new camera app makes it actually pretty good) I've been enjoying this phone a lot. I used to carry my phone and an external DAC and now with just this im having a far better time. Yes, there are a few weirdness things to get used to with no true google support, but if you are a tech nerd enough to be looking at this phone, you have the know how enough to make it work. I'd be happy to recommend this phone to anyone who wants to enjoy a DAP experience without having to carry 2 devices.
11:23 I don't want to come across as defending this phone, but that may be mostly the screen being awful, not the camera over-tuning the vibrance/saturation. Not that it really matters.
The "School Child" in the lock screen actually is the same girl as the box. Anime girl's pursue is cuteness and beauty, that is literally a thing in anime style drawing for decades. Of course we can enjoy cuteness without sexualizing the character, even we don't get any sexualization on the wallpaper tho. Somehow it just people from the west apparently that having this problem. Also She's not a School Child actually, it was more like some Yankee Girl or Shibuya Style Fashion. I knew her outfit design is looks like a sailor uniform or something, but it's not. Also we asian always looks like a child to western no matter how old we are.
The fact that this has an OLED screen SD card slot and aux port is what makes this a phone I really want and it's 400% I just need to make sure it work with my carrier!
@@johndwaynsen The exclusion of SD card slot really is a deal-breaker for me though I have a 1TB micro SD in my phone right now and between my phone and card I'm using 436GBs. If love a pixel if Google would just add an SD card slot.
@@Louganda I was thinking of the A54 but I've heard mix things from it from people who actually have it. Right now I have the S10e and it feels like I'd possibly be a step down.
@@Nate1994a If you don't need a balanced output, don't mind Android's 16-bit 48Khz limitations and want a decent camera and top-class screen and color accuracy, the Sony Xperia is an option too.
For its price range, Moondrop are selling a 400 USD DAP music player combo the basic function of a smartphone, which sound pretty nice compare with Sony WALKMAN, Fiio M11.
Balanced *literally* sounds the same. It's for effectively driving higher impedance headphones, usually on lower power devices. If you're using a dedicated DAC then a balanced port is probably moot anyway. It's more for peace of mind that power delivery/impedance is not the bottleneck in your system. Balanced is like 50% actually does a thing, 50% snake oil.
Except it doesn’t on this device. Because 3.5 jack standard is different in North America than in rest of the world, they have to add an additional chip to handle that, that means more distortion of signal.
@@donaldlee8249 Can you please elaborate what you mean by the 3.5 jack standard is different? I have international devices that seem no different with regards to 3.5mm headphone compatibility vs North American devices... (the sort of devices I'm talking about range from phones to retro Nintendo handhelds)
@@nintendomaniac64 you see the two rings on your 3.5 jack? That’s for separating left and right channel, and North America standards is the reverse of international standards, and most non hifi devices have a chip to detect left and right and make adjustments accordingly, that includes your Nintendo
5:21 it's just a voltage thing. balanced (the correct way of saying should be "differential" because all headphones are balanced), just pumps out twice the voltage so you can get quadrupal the power
@@lsvensson2166 A drawing of a child requires you to use an actual child as a basis and make the final product in their likeness. Drawing an ink blot in a shape you defer too as a child that came from your own imagination and doesn't exist doesn't count. If a child actually looked like that, they would get dissected cause we'd think they were an alien.
Ahh yes the Moondrop DSP cables that are notorious for adding noise to any audio. Pls for anybody that is thinking about buying that e waste of a cable don’t do it. 😂
@@rinhayashi8949"It's okay because she's a demon princess from the Yazuku realm amd was imprisoned for 10,000 years until the hero's school was built on top of the portal!!!!"
8:20 if the issue isn’t the wire, then Qudelix 5k would be a thing to consider. A small Bluetooth receiver you could just clip on your shirt or on the wire itself to make a lanyard of sorts. So you can just switch the IEMs easily if you have a better one, or spoilt.
Don't think of it as a phone. It's a DAP with a balanced output that also does some phone stuff. It appeals to me as someone who doesn't game on their phone, camera is for snapshots but uses a separate old android phone and separate dac/amp. I'd use this as my primary use case is music and as long as I can use WhatsApp and twitter then I'm happy.
the stupidest thing is that my phone also has a high quality dac, 24 bit 192kHz, but it doesn't have a headphone jack, so they just wasted those components to only ever output through the shitty phone speakers
@@calxshaw06 Anything above 24bit and 48khz and MAYBE 96khz is not needed anyway for listening to music. And i really tried to hear a difference (got some ACTUAL Master Files here that have been send to pressing plants from some Bands and Musicians i know)
3:25 perhaps it's shipping mode like with laptops - it only turns on after being plugged in to a charger, to prevent battery damage in shipping/storage.
Linus: [IsFather] Also Linus: There are child images on this! Send them away to boarding school and let me never hear from them until they are ready to wrestle me for control of the Family Game Battlestation Room!
Dude cant see the difference between anime and real life that's sad. Plus he's oversexualizing a fully clothed anime character thats weird on hes side. Dude read the Harry Poter book and sayed magic is real xD I swere boomers are so disconnected at that age
The 4.4 balanced output puts out twice as much voltage and in theory reduces crosstalk/distortion. In practice you won’t hear distortion from single end either. The balanced is just there to provide more power if the single end doesn’t get loud enough.
using a regular or a balanced output does not change the quality of the sound itself but clear the signal off any of the noise that shouldn't be there, the electrical bleed you said you're surprised to hear as if on an old motherboard and any other interference. It just becomes as close to just a pure signal without any unwanted crap mixing in, despite being analogue instead of digital, as it gets.
bro Linus, chill is just a drawing, is not even risque nor anything, Elijah shows more skin also the way i hold phones, i feel that chonky top might actually be useful still sucks that they compromised so hard on the rest of the phone just for a good Headphone jack
really sad that sony disabled the option to switch the back button to the right instead of left (which is supposed to be a stock android feature, so sony must have explicitly disabled it). AFAIK this is the biggest reason why linus does not switch to an xperia phone.
So, while I think the phone is not a very good product, what Linus failed to sell (or hear/understand) is that Moondrop isn't selling just "a phone with a 3.5 jack", they're selling a phone with an actually good dac/amp combo. You might not care if you use regular IEMs or basic dirty buds but for the people who have hard to drive headphones or picky IEMs? That is, to my knowledge quite literally, never seen before.
@@Nate1994atbh if you're just looking for a headphone jack and don't care about performance, you might be better off with an xperia 10 phone than this one and they go for roughly the same price. Performance of the latest one is similar to the moondrop, the phone probably works (screen, camera, etc.) and the battery will lasy.
Balanced outputs are kinda redundant to be honest. Balanced cables are supposed to keep noise from an antenna effect in the cable from getting into your signal, but anything under 10-15 ft isn't really going to pick up much noise, if any at all. The reason balanced cables are used for microphones (XLR for example) is because a microphone signal is incredibly weak and usually over longer distances between transducer and amplifier, and over those distances, a lot of noise can be picked up in the cable. When that happes, as the mic signal gets boosted, you want the cable to work it's magic and neutralize the noise, otherwise the noise gets amplified proportional to the mic signal. One thing worth noting though, is plugging in non balanced headphones into a balanced jack yeilds a louder listening experience.
I had an idea for you Linus and Luke. Full disclosure.. I’m learning about tech hardware which is why I enjoy your show- Go team Canada! - so the racks (oh yeah, I’m usually late to the party so maybe this idea has been executed) the tall racks could have the drawer extensions sans the drawer bottom. That way it might be easier to access a particular hardware piece that connects to the “side pulls”.. just an idea.. love the wheels on the racks! I had to mount a hardware rack to a concrete wall for my business- so it is nice to see other entrepreneurs going through expansion too! Enjoy your vacation - you guys all deserve one! Cheers
Oh, the irony that the one electronics company that cared about stunning audio quality on their phones no longer makes said phones and is sponsoring a video on an audio focused phone
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LG Spyware?
As per Rossman, do not buy LG tvs. They steal and sell your data by default.
Man I love what Louis Rossman has to say about LG’s data harvesting
this is a bit commendable because this the first audiophile portable that is finally a smartphone whereas existing similar products pretend it can't be a smartphone e.g. no modem and cameras. however, this exposes the awkwardness of high end audio industry, it has been good enough for a decade or two already-the average music listener these days just want convenience like lossy music formats and wireless speakers
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Here for the "Not good but it works." We need more honest products
we need more phones that don't try to make themselves your photography device.... much less support vanity culture. I'm would love to see a phone that ships with a .1 meg front camera and basically says "what? it's a checkbox"
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks well that's what the people wanted. It will take some demand at some point for them to change.
Sometime you gotta love Chinese marketing
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks Well I mean, what else is the point of your phone? My phone is literally just for sometimes calls, TH-cam, web browsing, and taking photos. Photos are a pretty important thing for most people, nobody wants to be carrying around a dedicated camera and everyone wants as good photos as possible, which is normal and reasonable. Idk what else I'd want my phone to do better apart from battery life and repairability.
Why? These products just suck? Lol
Moondrop engineer to marketing dept - 'We're around 6 months away from completion.'
Moondrop marketing dept - 'We started shipping yesterday.'
Easily my biggest pet peeve. Like, they have some kind of brand reputation to keep as well?
@@joeykeilholz925 for their type of company it won't damage. Linus wasn't even listening properly. Just plugged iem and started telling that was probably in script already
@@hilmyakatsuki1665 That's because the labs tested it bro. If you want someone who uses terms like soft and crunchy, there's many other channels.
@@hilmyakatsuki1665 He should have some of his own favourite FLAC reference audio files to use for consistency and familiarity - surely ?
The "not good but it works" line is "至少可以扫码" (lit. at least it can scan a QR code) on their Chinese website, which has been a meme from geek users who hate that companies are just keep making cameras better and larger in smartphones, because they "take no photos other than QR codes to scan and don't want a camera this big".
Now I get why in the TESTV review of this phone they're trying to scan a QR code with the zoom. 🤡💀💀😂😂😂
"that is a child" is going on my discord sound board.
remember to include the wtf, too poignant not to
what the hell is going on on discord and why are 100s or people finding it relatable
@@zaycad215child abuse 💪😁
@@zaycad215 are you living under a rock? discord is the most used social media platform by gamers (by extension, tech enthusiasts).
Pls send me the server link
‘It’s not good but it works’ points for honesty
No. It points at them trying to be hip and edgy as well as to cater to the pseudo-intellectual anti-social media crowd.
@@kompassorpigo7600 and if they didnt say it they would be called deceptive liars. can't please people
3:28
"Local tech bro discovers Blue Archive."
thinking the same thing man 😭
Linus does NOT know how much Chinese and Japanese love anime girls
@@eruno_ yes that's the joke
It's usually the most anti anime girl that ends up with the skeletons in the closet trying to deflect
UUUUOOOHHHHHHH😭😭😭😭😭😭💢💢💢💢💢💢
I am so tired of the "make everything thinner at all costs" nonsense. Instead of a camera bump or bar, just make the device a uniform thickness and include a larger battery.
just use the extra space for cooling and/or a larger battery
Yup, the illusion of the next new shiny thing without actually being it. "Here, we now have 50% less fat candy but with all the same great flavour as our old one" (The candy bar is basically half the size of the original only with the same price).
Yup. I immediately put on a case so I don't care if my phone is thicker. I'd much rather more battery than a device so thin I worry about it bending in my pocket.
You forgot about the extra weight that it takes.
This. I genuinely cannot fathom why this is such a trend. Lay your phone on your desk, and it wobbles when you breathe. Also, a set of shoulder buttons as a standard. It could genuinely make so many things on a phone beyond just games.
3:30 How to tell if someone watches anime or not in less than 5 seconds
I cringed so hard.
The anime fascination with children and obvious character created to look like children is just so fucking weird
@@KrunkeridleiosAt least anime characters don't suddenly turn black after 1 season.
@@shaivjoshi4063dayyum my man 😂
@@Krunkeridleiosif you dont understand the culture dont talk about it
Since i saw a LG sponsored ad it is my duty to say, Don't forget to opt out of them selling your data because they have it on by default out of the box, Its tucked away in the menus somewhere. They sell expensive products and still want more from you. 😮
And they stopped making phones when they could have competed aggressively in foldables (showcasing display tech) AND audiophile smartphone niches (speakers by Sennheiser, DAC-to-jack by Crinacle, etc.) 😒
I see someone watching Louis Rossmann over here
👏
"why is there a school child on my phone"
nah he got the drake wallpaper 💀💀💀
Absolutely necessary
It's a drawing 😭😭😭
@@kamadotanjiro3118 You are NOT helping our case bro
@@kamadotanjiro3118Loli hentai is also drawing...
@@kamadotanjiro3118 still a questionable choice of default wallpaper to ship out
"It's not good but it works" that's more than enough to sell to me
some bot stole your comment and is using it to sell interesting things lol
@@squabbledOwO what interesting things LOL
@@RinoSan of the... down section.
That's really all I want out of my cell phone camera
you're not going to hear a difference in balanced output unless you're using really hard to drive headphones that are distorting at high gain on the non-balanced connection.
it just adds like 3db of gain and makes it cleaner, but you wont hear those noises in the first place with 99% of headphones
Yeah, I think he and his team kinda missed the point of the feature. IEMs are not the point and while I get he’s not in the market for a portable DAC for hard to drive over ears….well there’s enough demand that portable DACs are its own product segment lol
Yeah, balanced is really just useful for hard to drive headphones.
@@aj0413_ the sad part is that the reason why LTT labs started, was because they needed better instrumentation to test headphones ... Then did nothing with it.
Yeah the review was trash. He just said what's in the script with little testing
My headphones sound different on the two ports. They come to life on the 4.4. I notice a whole new depth to the audio and it is not about loudness.
The part about Linus not really noticing a difference about balanced output or (4.4mm) at 9:30 is because Balanced output usually only provides more power (volume), The audio quality should be equal given the amplifier isn't designed in a way where the single ended or (3.5mm) output is poorly integrated and has a significant measurable difference.
Doesn't balanced reduce crosstalk since it doesn't have a common ground?
@@pixels_per_inch Hello good question, balanced connections are useful for applications where you want the least amount of noise or distortion possible (this includes cross talk), such as a microphone. Or connecting a dac, to an amplifier. However in headphones these benefits won’t be noticeable, either due to the length of the wire, or well the distortion of headphone being much more than the electronics. To put it simply most of the benefits of balanced won’t be humanly audible on headphones, if your amplifier chain on single ended is already past the human threshold. Which nowadays even an apple dongle can surpass. The main benefit of balanced connections is differential, which allows an amplifier to provide much more power to a headphone making it subjectively sound better to most people.
Balanced outputs are usually for longer cable runs not the short cable like on most earphones. Longer cable runs between your DAC and powered studio monitors.
Every Moondrop product comes themed with a unique anime girl. I don't understand what the outrage is, it's literally one of their selling points. And that's literally an average anime girl.
Yeah people on both sides are making it much weirder than it really is
Oh, okay, but it's still weird.
@@MallocFree90what's weird about liking anime? Do you normally want to sleep with all the cartoon characters you watch?
@orangeyellow-me1pz It's still weird to sexualize minors
@@MallocFree90 yes, no one is arguing against that. The point is that none of that is done here. It's just a normal picture, so why get upset over it
the reaction of 40 yo ppl to anime is always fun to watch
😂 I'm exactly 40 and have watched anime since my teens.
Exactly what I was thinking. As if it's something new...@@Daniel-Marson
what reaction? already looks mid
I'm a simple man. I see an anime girl and Linus, I click
and the pink wallpaper was way cuter, score!
that's a child...
@@ashelliot8895ceci n'est une pas child
@@ashelliot8895 Didn't stop Drake and Dr DisRespect 😭
And then the guy goes and complains about the anime girl when it's just there wearing headphones FFS
LG being a sponsor on an unboxing of a music centric phone with a headphone jack hurts my heart.
Lgv60 is the best phone I've owned. I literaly cant find a new phone without downgrading a feature, and its pissing me off.
Now I get why the rant of the Moondrop MIAD 01.
@@rbnrod129 To me it's the g8, it has many innovative features and is very compact
@@rbnrod129 same here. I'm on my second V60 (the first one broke in an accident) and I am thinking to stock up while these still sell on the grey market.
@@tweed0929how do you feel about the charging port? Thinking about ditching my v60 because my port hardly works...
"That is a child" so is half the cast of the game you just played.
It's werid right.. cuse most the time you see anti stuff there usually narcist. Linus being creep yes. talking about over sexualized just out of no were when its the most wholesome background ive seen. Hes talking about a fictional character like they have rights and are most likely drown by a women anyways lol who dose linc thinks voice lines all anime girls guys in there 50's xD why is he so anti anime everytime he revews stuff with it...
@Aston what game?
linus reaction is so weird tbh lol
@YOOOOOOOOOOOOO-dv2nt there is nothing weird about men liking young women
@@janek13Xtrue
I think the wallpaper is suppose to be similar to something like lofi girl.
Right I like how he looks at something like Lofi girl and over sexulizis it... That tells me they are the one with the perverted mind... always has to look at the sexual side of stuff... Dudes always been anti anime every time...
I don't see any issues with the wallpaper, it's pretty cute.
yea linus reaction is so weird i wonder maybe...
....aswell as funny, cute and funny 😭
@@re4796 💢💢💢💢
balanced outputs increase the output by 3dB and reduce the distortion.
If you can play it loud enough with unbalanced without any audible distortion you'll get nothing by switching to balanced, so no surprise that Linus can't hear any difference...
Okay I spent like hours a while ago trying to find a simple explanation for balanced outputs, and you're the second person I've seen who has said this. Do you recall where you learned this? Feel like I'm missing out! Lol
@@Enixious99 I fully understood it after looking at the way a balanced Dac is build. (In my Case the Fiio BTR5 / ESS ES9219C ) You can find it on the spec sheets.
AudioScienceReview is also a good source.
Tldr: you have 2x the same DAC side by side and you add up the Signal
-> +3dB
-> each Dac has to run lower to reach the same output as a single unbalanced
-> lower distortion for same listening level
@@plompudu2529 ahhhh I see, I will check them out! Thanks!
Their sponsor for this video, LG has an option in their TV's called "Do Not Sell My Personal Information". By default this option is not enabled.
This means by default this their TV's will sell your data.
Like every product and service you use ever.
Compared to others the only difference I see is LG being honest about it, while others have that exact same thing but don't explicitly say "sale" and they use other terms.
Does this exist in LG monitors?
"assisted suicide" linus is gonna get demonetized nahhh 💀💀💀💀
The Medical Assistance In Dying program in Canada is literally that
@@dogbot55Dang, Canadian MAIDs are deadly?
@@dogbot55 I thought it was only Switzerland that did that, learn more everyday
@@dogbot55you can’t say that word in yt
@@ramenishget your glasses fam, I am replying to someone else
I think looking at the picture take with the camera on the phone is not a good idea since we saw that the screens colors were flawed.
I came to the comments section to point this out, lol
Linus saying he can't carry a c to 3.5 dongle like he couldn't just leave the little dongle on the end of the headphones making me think he hasn't really tried it
you can't
you have to charge the phone
so the constant insertion and removal makes it a pain to keep track of and is definitely something that made me seek another solution
he would benefit greatly from something like a Fiio BTR5, little DAC that works over a wire (acting like a USBC to 3.5mm adapter) as well as over bluetooth, meaning he can use his high quality IEMs as bluetooth buds for on the go
@@calxshaw06 No keep the dongle on the end of the headphone cable so its like its part of the cable itself
@@calxshaw06 They make adapters that also have a USC C input on the cable itself so you can charge and use aux at the same time. I keep a regular C>Aux cable in my wallet so it's always on me
And the Apple dongle is 9 dollars shipped and has better audio quality than you could ever need.
@@liamdstein I've lost two of them doing that. At home it totally isn't an issue but on the go... well, I use BT buds.
It's not weird, until you make it weird Linus.... Jeez
Nah its weird
Can i just say its crazy that LG sponsored a video about an audio focused phone? I fell like they recognize this and its a subtle nod to their Quad DAC phones
The selling point just seems “listen to your cute anime music on the cute anime phone 😊😊😊😊”
I think what would have been better to do is partner with an actual phone manufacturer, take their best phone and then make it audiophile capable like making an S24 Ultra with a 4.4mm headphone jack. Cause this is a product I'd love to have if the actual phone aspect was good as well. I carry around both my S22 Ultra and FiiO M11 Plus and it does get annoying carrying both.
I feel for you. The M11 is a thick boi. I think Sony would be our last hope to make something like that. Samsung went full steam ahead and removed the headphone jack.
@@orangeyellow-me1pz Sony will do that if there is a market for it, but be minded it will cost an arm and leg for that. With the same price as the MIAD you can only get an A100 walkman with a tiny screen and 16gb of internal. Their current Walkman lineup price average is 2k$. Imagine high performance phone + hi-fi audiophile centric device in the same package price wouldn't be pretty at all.
@@MarvelousXT you don't know Sony. Sony never follows trends. Maybe you're too young but there was a time where hi-res was popular. You could get a device sporting this feature from HTC, LG, ZTE, Marshall, Samsung (back when they made use of the Wolfson DAC), and I think Asus sold the ROG phone with a sabre DAC. You know who never cared to take part? Sony. Going off Sony's past decisions I can safely assume that they wouldn't budge.
@@orangeyellow-me1pz And that is why, they will not make a high performance phone + Walkman in the same package, not anytime soon. And the chance of Moondrop collab with Sony for a similar device is non-existent.
Ah yes, the anime girl with the high end headphones must be a child if she's dressed up for school.
which is more likely:
a teenager owns a pair of pricey headphones
OR
an adult woman who looks kinda young is wearing a school uniform for fun
Hmmmm
@@s4juliette There's a bunch of Japanese Universities that require a uniform
@@s4juliette You're putting more thought into it than the artist probably did.
@@Humdinger69 ok, and do all the students of these universities look 14?
I don't have a problem with the pic; it looks entirely innocent. But that's clearly a middle or high schooler. Just admit it, you don't have to do a bunch of mental gymnastics
@@NakedTrashPanda how am i overthinking by looking at a girl in a uniform and thinking she's a child? genuinely confused lol
Should’ve kept the name as the maid phone
Would’ve fit the anime theme lol
@@shotguncreeper and the demographic they’re looking for
Not surprised Linus is unable to hear the difference between balanced and un-balanced audio, as the main advantage of balanced is that it's able to drive more power. It does additionally reduce interference, however interference isnt usually much of an issue anyways
Headphone balanced does not reduce imterference, it has nothing to do with the balanced used in speakers and such.
@@HyviaVideoitaMansenlale it does reduce interference. specifically crosstalk, as it makes both drivers completely seperate with their own amps and dac's.
@@scarecrow5848 Maybe in a marketing dream.
You'd think they'd would throw in a pair of buds because... They're known for their audio and it'd be a throwback to when that was the bare minimum and stand out from the crowd.
Moondrop is primarily an iem and headphone company, so they’re main demographic are the kind to pick and choose their own buds
Checked moondroplab and the buds are only 20-40$ ish
with IEMs starting at 90$ -> 900$
So they certainly could
Im sure they could toss in a pair of Chu 2's and everyone would be happy~
Its a phone for audio nerds, the people who would buy this most likely already have expensive iems or even open back headphones.
@@stephen1r2 They have buds at well over $300 aswell.
In other words they do all price ranges and what you are saying isn't entirely accurate especially because their cheapest iems are a mere $20
I think Moondrop is targeting this as a DAP that has 5G, and is assuming you will use it in concert with a more capable phone
no the whole point of this is to be a dap thats also just a phone so you just carry the one thing
The balanced 4.4 connector only provides more power (at your preferred volume level) and less electromagnetic interference. If the headphones or IEMs are not tough to drive (require lots of power) and you're not having problems with EM interference, you won't notice a difference between using 3.5 and 4.4 connections.
0:10 Since when "female servant" ("maid") has anything to do with "assisted unaliving of self"?
It’s a recent Canadian program, MAID is the acronym everyone uses.
suicide maid is more common in Canada than having a domestic servant maid
I've swapped from my Samsung Galaxy Zfold 3 to this phone about a month ago, other than the camera (the sensor is fine but the software is awful, getting a new camera app makes it actually pretty good) I've been enjoying this phone a lot. I used to carry my phone and an external DAC and now with just this im having a far better time.
Yes, there are a few weirdness things to get used to with no true google support, but if you are a tech nerd enough to be looking at this phone, you have the know how enough to make it work.
I'd be happy to recommend this phone to anyone who wants to enjoy a DAP experience without having to carry 2 devices.
11:23 I don't want to come across as defending this phone, but that may be mostly the screen being awful, not the camera over-tuning the vibrance/saturation. Not that it really matters.
"Not good but it's works" apply to whole phone
"we think it is poly-carbonate, but we have no way of knowing for sure" - don't you guys have like an entire lab??
The "School Child" in the lock screen actually is the same girl as the box. Anime girl's pursue is cuteness and beauty, that is literally a thing in anime style drawing for decades. Of course we can enjoy cuteness without sexualizing the character, even we don't get any sexualization on the wallpaper tho. Somehow it just people from the west apparently that having this problem.
Also She's not a School Child actually, it was more like some Yankee Girl or Shibuya Style Fashion. I knew her outfit design is looks like a sailor uniform or something, but it's not. Also we asian always looks like a child to western no matter how old we are.
Phone manufacturers, we can't fit 3.5mm port wompwomp.
Moondrop proceeds to include that and a bigger hole in the phone.
The second version is going to be HILARIOUS to Spanish audience. 😂
Theres not an inherent difference btw 3.5 and 4.4 however the balanced outputs are set up to provide higher output
The fact that this has an OLED screen SD card slot and aux port is what makes this a phone I really want and it's 400% I just need to make sure it work with my carrier!
Aside from the SD card slot the Google Pixel 4A and 5A have OLED and Aux too while having a better camera
@@johndwaynsen The exclusion of SD card slot really is a deal-breaker for me though I have a 1TB micro SD in my phone right now and between my phone and card I'm using 436GBs.
If love a pixel if Google would just add an SD card slot.
samsung A serires fpone
@@Louganda I was thinking of the A54 but I've heard mix things from it from people who actually have it. Right now I have the S10e and it feels like I'd possibly be a step down.
@@Nate1994a If you don't need a balanced output, don't mind Android's 16-bit 48Khz limitations and want a decent camera and top-class screen and color accuracy, the Sony Xperia is an option too.
Now I'm just imagining an assisted unaliving device with RGB being reviewed on LTT.
im sold on the audiophile capabilities only.
For its price range, Moondrop are selling a 400 USD DAP music player combo the basic function of a smartphone, which sound pretty nice compare with Sony WALKMAN, Fiio M11.
Its not good but it works. Thats just like my mother used to call me.
In the wise words of patrick.
"Take it easy. it's just a drawing!"
A drawing... of what? :p
@@Doctour an anime character
@@lm-hg9ep An anime character.. based on a child ;p
@@Doctour how is that a child?
@lm-hg9ep last I checked adults don't wear highschool uniforms 🙃
Balanced *literally* sounds the same. It's for effectively driving higher impedance headphones, usually on lower power devices. If you're using a dedicated DAC then a balanced port is probably moot anyway. It's more for peace of mind that power delivery/impedance is not the bottleneck in your system.
Balanced is like 50% actually does a thing, 50% snake oil.
Except it doesn’t on this device. Because 3.5 jack standard is different in North America than in rest of the world, they have to add an additional chip to handle that, that means more distortion of signal.
@@donaldlee8249 Can you please elaborate what you mean by the 3.5 jack standard is different? I have international devices that seem no different with regards to 3.5mm headphone compatibility vs North American devices...
(the sort of devices I'm talking about range from phones to retro Nintendo handhelds)
@@nintendomaniac64 you see the two rings on your 3.5 jack? That’s for separating left and right channel, and North America standards is the reverse of international standards, and most non hifi devices have a chip to detect left and right and make adjustments accordingly, that includes your Nintendo
More power is more power, and more power is better usually. The only snake oil is people being deaf and stupid
5:21 it's just a voltage thing. balanced (the correct way of saying should be "differential" because all headphones are balanced),
just pumps out twice the voltage so you can get quadrupal the power
3:37 that is in fact a drawing, not a child
still a drawing of a child
Have you seen a child with a big eyes and mouth with no nose@@lsvensson2166
@@lsvensson2166 A drawing of a child requires you to use an actual child as a basis and make the final product in their likeness. Drawing an ink blot in a shape you defer too as a child that came from your own imagination and doesn't exist doesn't count. If a child actually looked like that, they would get dissected cause we'd think they were an alien.
@@lsvensson2166 It's not hurting anybody. Who cares?
@@lsvensson2166 you are assuming the gender and age of a drawing? what a bigot, lets ask the drawing his feelings.
8:25 if only there was a phone maker with all those features...Like Sony
Linus has short term memory
I didn't realize "mention assisted suicide %" was a speedrun category, but congratulations!
Thats why the DSP is so great with this IEM, you just plug it in to any phone and have outstanding audio performance
What's the IEM Linus was using?
@@Dev-san Moondrop x Crinacle Dusk
the only problem with DSP is ground noise. i wonder when will they fix it.
@@mormsophen3238 I have the Dusk, 0 issues with the DSP and no ground noise, atleast I cant hear it
3:30
That's what Dr. Disrespect said as well
Underrated comment.
i think he said the opposite and then did something about it, but close enough.
too soon
Not exactly, he only said the "fuck" part, likely followed by a question mark.
lmao
2:50 careful with LG TVs. The “do not sell my data” option is turned off by DEFAULT in the settings!
Make sure you turn it on
well linus moondrop is also the one that makes great IEMs with DSP cable, dso cables are type c so you can use them with any phone with type c
Yup, I use a Chu II DSP with my OnePlus 12 and it's a great setup.
Ahh yes the Moondrop DSP cables that are notorious for adding noise to any audio. Pls for anybody that is thinking about buying that e waste of a cable don’t do it. 😂
if you just need a working selfie camera, this is your phone!
"why is there a school child on my phone"
Linus about to incur the wrath of anime fans for their "preferences"
Don't worry, she's probably a three hundred year old god or something. She just looks like a child...Probably.
@@rinhayashi8949"It's okay because she's a demon princess from the Yazuku realm amd was imprisoned for 10,000 years until the hero's school was built on top of the portal!!!!"
She's fully clothed and zero sexual about it. People draw kids all the time with pure intentions. Internet has warped people.
8:20 if the issue isn’t the wire, then Qudelix 5k would be a thing to consider. A small Bluetooth receiver you could just clip on your shirt or on the wire itself to make a lanyard of sorts. So you can just switch the IEMs easily if you have a better one, or spoilt.
Hey Linus, you know what phone has a built in dac and great hardware? The LG Wing!
3.5mm headphone jack, I am sold
Linus has crossed the boomer threshold where "anime character" just becomes "child"
why is she wearing a school uniform and WHY does she have to be a wallpaper
@@hhere2stay But what's the problem with it exactly?
Don't think of it as a phone. It's a DAP with a balanced output that also does some phone stuff. It appeals to me as someone who doesn't game on their phone, camera is for snapshots but uses a separate old android phone and separate dac/amp. I'd use this as my primary use case is music and as long as I can use WhatsApp and twitter then I'm happy.
LG steals your Data by default 🤷🏻♂️ 2:51
who doesnt?
The cost of the tv at 3:09 is $25k + your personal data. Because $25k isn’t enough for LG
Just like every other company, turn it off if you don't like it. And nobody is stealing your data, you're literally giving it to them.
@@Demetri25 how them boots taste lil bro?
Everyone does.
Not too bad for a first attempt! I look forward to see their future devices!
this is a phone that knows what its target audience is. thank goodness there are still manufacturers who want to keep the 3.5mm jack around
2:51 Linus got that rhinoceros beetle cut ☠️
the stupidest thing is that my phone also has a high quality dac, 24 bit 192kHz, but it doesn't have a headphone jack, so they just wasted those components to only ever output through the shitty phone speakers
which phone is that? that is unbelievably stupid lmao
USB-C supports analog audio output using a simple dongle so... it's not wasted.
@@calxshaw06 Anything above 24bit and 48khz and MAYBE 96khz is not needed anyway for listening to music.
And i really tried to hear a difference (got some ACTUAL Master Files here that have been send to pressing plants from some Bands and Musicians i know)
@@Bizarny But not every phone supports analog audio out over usb c
Jailbreak j00r HiFi Aud10. Got a teardown anyplace to guide you?
the way he throw the box away it hurt every cell in my body
what's wrong with the wallpaper? seems fine to me
“Watch, watch, watch, watch” *two unskippable ads start playing*
I did see, indeed.
Joke's on them. I have my iPod classic 256GB with me.
It says HiFi and 5G in an acceptable price.
3:25 perhaps it's shipping mode like with laptops - it only turns on after being plugged in to a charger, to prevent battery damage in shipping/storage.
oh no school kids
Linus: [IsFather] Also Linus: There are child images on this! Send them away to boarding school and let me never hear from them until they are ready to wrestle me for control of the Family Game Battlestation Room!
Dude cant see the difference between anime and real life that's sad. Plus he's oversexualizing a fully clothed anime character thats weird on hes side. Dude read the Harry Poter book and sayed magic is real xD I swere boomers are so disconnected at that age
@@nekomanz true
It's funny to hear this justification at 8:15 while those IEMs are designed for use with an included dsp type c cable!
The wallpaper shows the target demographic of the device probably isn't a boomer.
The 4.4 balanced output puts out twice as much voltage and in theory reduces crosstalk/distortion. In practice you won’t hear distortion from single end either. The balanced is just there to provide more power if the single end doesn’t get loud enough.
The wallpaper is not really to my taste but I love that they girl is listening to music on the Moondrop Phone with Moondrop headphones
using a regular or a balanced output does not change the quality of the sound itself but clear the signal off any of the noise that shouldn't be there, the electrical bleed you said you're surprised to hear as if on an old motherboard and any other interference. It just becomes as close to just a pure signal without any unwanted crap mixing in, despite being analogue instead of digital, as it gets.
calling an audiophile focused hifi audio player an "mp3 player" is an excellent way to troll the target demographic
Never used a case, broken 2 phones in the last 15 years, both were due to headphone wires getting caught in something.
"That is a child on my phone"
Linus... Have you heard of X/Twitter? For real tho, thats a bold claim to say just by looking at it... :v
3:33 when you watch anime for the first time
you didn't have to mention suicide part at all and even be super cheerful about it.
I live to see Linus interacting with products marketed towards weebs
bro Linus, chill is just a drawing, is not even risque nor anything, Elijah shows more skin
also the way i hold phones, i feel that chonky top might actually be useful
still sucks that they compromised so hard on the rest of the phone just for a good Headphone jack
0:41 isn't this a TV from today's sponsors?
Sony phone still has a headphone jack...
really sad that sony disabled the option to switch the back button to the right instead of left (which is supposed to be a stock android feature, so sony must have explicitly disabled it). AFAIK this is the biggest reason why linus does not switch to an xperia phone.
And the they're very expensive but they also have card slots last time I checked so that's a definite positive.
So, while I think the phone is not a very good product, what Linus failed to sell (or hear/understand) is that Moondrop isn't selling just "a phone with a 3.5 jack", they're selling a phone with an actually good dac/amp combo. You might not care if you use regular IEMs or basic dirty buds but for the people who have hard to drive headphones or picky IEMs? That is, to my knowledge quite literally, never seen before.
@@_hayt_If Pixel phones can't do that, then I highly doubt that it is a standard feature of Android.
@@Nate1994atbh if you're just looking for a headphone jack and don't care about performance, you might be better off with an xperia 10 phone than this one and they go for roughly the same price. Performance of the latest one is similar to the moondrop, the phone probably works (screen, camera, etc.) and the battery will lasy.
Balanced outputs are kinda redundant to be honest. Balanced cables are supposed to keep noise from an antenna effect in the cable from getting into your signal, but anything under 10-15 ft isn't really going to pick up much noise, if any at all. The reason balanced cables are used for microphones (XLR for example) is because a microphone signal is incredibly weak and usually over longer distances between transducer and amplifier, and over those distances, a lot of noise can be picked up in the cable. When that happes, as the mic signal gets boosted, you want the cable to work it's magic and neutralize the noise, otherwise the noise gets amplified proportional to the mic signal.
One thing worth noting though, is plugging in non balanced headphones into a balanced jack yeilds a louder listening experience.
Cute and funny phone
Now I see I did a good decision to keep my old lg g7 thing (with quad dac).
I prefer Loius Rossmann's LG sponsor
I had an idea for you Linus and Luke. Full disclosure.. I’m learning about tech hardware which is why I enjoy your show- Go team Canada! - so the racks (oh yeah, I’m usually late to the party so maybe this idea has been executed) the tall racks could have the drawer extensions sans the drawer bottom. That way it might be easier to access a particular hardware piece that connects to the “side pulls”.. just an idea.. love the wheels on the racks! I had to mount a hardware rack to a concrete wall for my business- so it is nice to see other entrepreneurs going through expansion too! Enjoy your vacation - you guys all deserve one! Cheers
Why is there a school child on my phone?
...and where can I buy one?
That maid joke at the beginning was perfect
Oh, the irony that the one electronics company that cared about stunning audio quality on their phones no longer makes said phones and is sponsoring a video on an audio focused phone