I feel like after he explained this makes me feel like the misconceptions are actually his fault. Nobody's sabotaged him he did not have context. Instead of saying certain moves are banned he just said that moves are banned. That just leads people to think they're just having staring contests in the ring.
When EC3 explain it it's actually kinda make sense what he's trying to create but the execution and the production were literally the worst thing in wrestling ever, even the fan recording a show with their phone is better than CYN thing. Also CYN just showed why not everyone should have creative control
Yes but that's also why it's his fault. It was poorly explained which means it's not clever the way he put it out there. He left no context. If he was banning certain moves. He should have said a certain moves are banned. However he said moves are banned which means you're leading people to think that there's no wrestling just staring at eachother.
Seeing him explain it better made me realize nobody sabotaged it. He just left no room for context. He said what he meant by banning wrestling moves just certain ones. However he never actually said that he just said Banning wrestling moves. That led people to think that people were just standing across the ring having a staring contest.
@@metroiddoom5178 Yes, but would you use better context instead of just saying moves her banned and instead saying certain moves are banned. One sounds like there's no wrestling involved in there having staring contests, and the other sounds like just certain moves are banned.
Its difficult to be EC3. He was built very carefully in TNA and was really over, but once he came back to WWE/NXT they really didn't see much unique with him and that's just reality. He should have stayed in TNA
@@blablablaa14 I would disagree, it was Vince fault this guy never got a chance to showcase his mic ability on the main roster. Right now under the current WWE regime he would have been getting the LA Knight star treatment. Vinny mac fumbled him.
@@Ahmed-og2jm nope. if a huge % of the targeted audience thinks its shit then its shit. In comedy if you dont laugh at a joke, then its not funny. Simple. It doesnt matter if i think the joke is great or not, if you dont laugh, it isnt funny!
CYN had potential and offered something unique but with AEW and all the more alternatives out there now it felt like the demand for something like CYN was too low to really become a success. In a world where AEW doesn't exist perhaps it would've had a shot and becoming something more than it did
Nobody did? The truth is nobody looked at it as a threat if your business is failing it's just simpler to say you were sabotaged instead of it just being a failure
I think that people overreacted with CYN. People were like "He thinks that he will beat AEW" or similars, and I was like "The dude just want to try a new concept for his federation, nothing else. New ideas to see if it works"
Exactly, people get him wrong all the time. And honestly, i liked some of the ideas he had. It was kinda refreshing for someone to talk about how overused superkicks, Canadian destroyers, and suicide dives were.
@@dwightyboy5324 CYN reminds me of a tournament KRIMINAL did, it's a small promotion in Mexico, the Torneo Prohibido (Forbidden Tournament). Normal tournament save for one thing, there are four moves that lead to instant DQ, Destructor (Canadian Destroyer), Super Patada (Superkick), Spanish Fly and Tijera (Hurracanranna). Those moves being incredibly common in Mexico, it leads to wrestlers having to find fresh tactics to overcome the odds.
Exactly, anything that ISNT WWE or AEW is going to get shit on by fans of BOTH! They claim to be pure wrestling fans, but they WANT the business to be a 2 company show🙄 TNA deserves better than to be the distant #3 promotion in the United States
people really railed on him for the banned moves, but I was totes for it. just take a week to watch every major wrestling show, then see how many matches *DON'T* have a Tope. the Superkick is not even "super" at all anymore, it has no meaning, it doesn't even knock anybody out, technically, everybody no-sells it nowadays. also, like he uses an example here, the bans can be used as a way to tell a story
I was at the Dallas show. It was a neat show, but the concept was overshadowed but dudes with ridiculous gimmicks like Manbun Jesus and the dude that would the Panda head the whole time and took 3 finishers in a row. CYN never had a chance because the entire presentation was a glorified outlaw Indy show.
The banning of certain moves is actually kind of interesting. It's different than the Bill Watts banned moves. The super kicks and suicide dives are so overdone... these guys are so athletic these days that we become de-sensitized to it all. It's not like HBK giving a super kick anymore.
I would ban DDT’s as anything but a finisher. You would not get up from having your head slammed into the ground like that. But we see a dozen of them in every match.
To sabotage it would imply there was something TO sabotage. Like, I appreciate that he tried to do something different. But it's time for him to admit that it wasn't good.
He’s really gonna die on the CYN failed not because it sucked but because people sabotaged it hill? I had high hopes for him in the WWE so it sucks to see him go down this tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist route. He also looks fucking insane.
CYN was never a threat and never made a ripple, let alone a wave in pro wrestling. They didn’t have the budget, financial backing nor the exposure for any of that to happen. It was just another Indy fed. That’s not a bad thing, but to act like it was like the second coming of WCW or something is asinine.
"It got bad attention based on frivolous lies" - yeah like the one about having a network tv deal. The lies didnt come from outside the house. They mostly came from Strowmans instagram.
Bro we both know Ryback isn't even worth anyone's time, dude has to do a poll asking people if he should retire like every month just so he can get some engagement.
To me, the "Control your narrative" thing was just a crybaby anti-WWE slogan. These giys who got released were salty about not having any control in their booking or storyline, they had to just do what they were told. So right from the start, I hated that name
Now I get it...and I get it makes sense if you have a "narrative". But the execution was short sighted and not done well. I agree those moves are overdone *looks intensely at AEW* but they were considered overdone over a period of time. We had atleast 7 or 8 years of those moves being repeated until we lost the sense of their impact and it became an ordinary move. (Know your audience). So for a Very indy looking low budget company who's goal is to attract new and more viewers, it was a crazy choice to implement banning moves right at the inception of the company. Because after years of becoming numb to those moves, CYN wouldve got the same reaction if they banned a punch, or chop, or suplex. They were short sighted because if they wanted long term stories based on moves...Simply DONT have anyone do it. Thats all. For 2 or 3 years have nobody do those moves, dont mention banning them..simply have a superkick done after 2 years and the guy gets stretchered out. Fans will catch on and connect the dots. Instead, you outright ban moves and say it to the audience at home...and it makes a company who's name is Control Your Narrative look dumb af when the wrestlers arent being allowed to control the moves they're able to do, example, having someone hesitate before doing a superkick because theyre not allowed to do it.. Cmon.
EC3 has to be one of the most delusional men in all of wrestling. They created a product that nobody wanted to watch. They intentionally promoted it to be overtly edge and cringe, they became a laughing stock of the entire industry, and he still believes that others sabotaged it. LMFAO
Lets stop pretending CYN was going to be anything other than a stupid idea that EC3 had in the pandemic. Stop talking about this like they had successful shows and drew
Sorry I think perfer the WWE. The move is banned so nobody hits it and its never mentioned then once in a blue moon someone hits it and it's amazing Don't have people be hitting the "Banned" moves on your first show
i'm tired of modern wrestling in that regard. Most moves have no meaning anymore. Like that spot recently from AEW, I forget who it involved because it's very forgettable, but it was two guys giving eachother canadian destroyers back and forth with no selling. Like wtf is that?!
I agree. They get wayyyy over the top and the no selling just makes it hard for me to get excited for them. Im exaggerating this scanario but it feels like someone can get hit with a hammer, take a finisher on a chair and kick out at 1 standing up supercharged like old school hogan.
The problem is you didn't say you banned those moves. You said you just banned moves. So you left no context. That made it sound like you were Banning moves in general which means it really wasn't a wrestling show it was just two people standing across the rain from each other and looking at each other. So nothing was going to know this that was the problem.
I like EC3 but nobody watched it I’m sorry😂or if they did it wasn’t bc it was good😂it was god awful the concept the voice everything the wrestling just everything 😂😂😂
He’s right. I watch more AEW than WWE. Just prefer the presentation more, reminds me of WCW. With that being said, ALL those moves are way overdone. Also, why do we call a suicide dive a tope suicida? Honest question. Also, they would be well served to replace Excalibur. He’s maybe good enough to call ROH but he’s not a main event talent. If they limited the frequency of those kind of moves, the back and forth strikes, Moxleys blood, etc to make all those moments special it would improve the AEW product so much. I want AEW to do well and sometimes less is more.
AEW is sabotaging AEW, thanks to Tony Khan, EVPs and delusional Marks like you who would blame everyone except the owner of the company and its booking. Low Attendance, Ratings, Sales and profit..says everything. Keep on crying.
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I feel like after he explained this makes me feel like the misconceptions are actually his fault. Nobody's sabotaged him he did not have context. Instead of saying certain moves are banned he just said that moves are banned. That just leads people to think they're just having staring contests in the ring.
When EC3 explain it it's actually kinda make sense what he's trying to create but the execution and the production were literally the worst thing in wrestling ever, even the fan recording a show with their phone is better than CYN thing. Also CYN just showed why not everyone should have creative control
Yes but that's also why it's his fault. It was poorly explained which means it's not clever the way he put it out there. He left no context. If he was banning certain moves. He should have said a certain moves are banned. However he said moves are banned which means you're leading people to think that there's no wrestling just staring at eachother.
I mean, when Braun left them for WWE it kinda killed any kind of hype or credibility they couldve had
Kross too, Daddy Magic and Angelo Parker
Seeing him explain it better made me realize nobody sabotaged it. He just left no room for context. He said what he meant by banning wrestling moves just certain ones. However he never actually said that he just said Banning wrestling moves. That led people to think that people were just standing across the ring having a staring contest.
How he described the banned moves still being used actually sounded pretty sick
I would ban all these move as well if I ran a promotion.
@@metroiddoom5178 Yes, but would you use better context instead of just saying moves her banned and instead saying certain moves are banned. One sounds like there's no wrestling involved in there having staring contests, and the other sounds like just certain moves are banned.
The Industry Messed this guys Head up , He is almost on a Ryback wackyness at this point.
If in doubt blame Vince
@@northleedspoppano blame ec3’s ego
Its difficult to be EC3. He was built very carefully in TNA and was really over, but once he came back to WWE/NXT they really didn't see much unique with him and that's just reality. He should have stayed in TNA
@@blablablaa14 I would disagree, it was Vince fault this guy never got a chance to showcase his mic ability on the main roster.
Right now under the current WWE regime he would have been getting the LA Knight star treatment. Vinny mac fumbled him.
Sorry champ, noone saw cyn as a threat in any way. noone cared enough to sabotage it....
How do you know?
@@TopJazzCat i mean i only heard of it cos people making fun of it...can't of been that good
@@brolly2612 people making fun of it is sabotaging it
@@Ahmed-og2jm nope. if a huge % of the targeted audience thinks its shit then its shit. In comedy if you dont laugh at a joke, then its not funny. Simple. It doesnt matter if i think the joke is great or not, if you dont laugh, it isnt funny!
Yes they did you complete Mark. WWE was nervous of CYN
CYN had potential and offered something unique but with AEW and all the more alternatives out there now it felt like the demand for something like CYN was too low to really become a success. In a world where AEW doesn't exist perhaps it would've had a shot and becoming something more than it did
CYN was terrible
Makes you wonder why people looked down on CYN
Nobody did? The truth is nobody looked at it as a threat if your business is failing it's just simpler to say you were sabotaged instead of it just being a failure
Cause it was a stupid idea? How are you control your narrative when youre literally not allowed to use those? How is that controlling your narrative
Imagine putting the 2020s version of Bill Watts style rules in place and think you’re reinventing the wheel?
Dude has always been overrated
I think that people overreacted with CYN. People were like "He thinks that he will beat AEW" or similars, and I was like "The dude just want to try a new concept for his federation, nothing else. New ideas to see if it works"
Exactly, people get him wrong all the time. And honestly, i liked some of the ideas he had. It was kinda refreshing for someone to talk about how overused superkicks, Canadian destroyers, and suicide dives were.
@@dwightyboy5324 CYN reminds me of a tournament KRIMINAL did, it's a small promotion in Mexico, the Torneo Prohibido (Forbidden Tournament). Normal tournament save for one thing, there are four moves that lead to instant DQ, Destructor (Canadian Destroyer), Super Patada (Superkick), Spanish Fly and Tijera (Hurracanranna). Those moves being incredibly common in Mexico, it leads to wrestlers having to find fresh tactics to overcome the odds.
Exactly, anything that ISNT WWE or AEW is going to get shit on by fans of BOTH!
They claim to be pure wrestling fans, but they WANT the business to be a 2 company show🙄
TNA deserves better than to be the distant #3 promotion in the United States
people really railed on him for the banned moves, but I was totes for it. just take a week to watch every major wrestling show, then see how many matches *DON'T* have a Tope. the Superkick is not even "super" at all anymore, it has no meaning, it doesn't even knock anybody out, technically, everybody no-sells it nowadays. also, like he uses an example here, the bans can be used as a way to tell a story
I was at the Dallas show. It was a neat show, but the concept was overshadowed but dudes with ridiculous gimmicks like Manbun Jesus and the dude that would the Panda head the whole time and took 3 finishers in a row.
CYN never had a chance because the entire presentation was a glorified outlaw Indy show.
The banning of certain moves is actually kind of interesting. It's different than the Bill Watts banned moves. The super kicks and suicide dives are so overdone... these guys are so athletic these days that we become de-sensitized to it all. It's not like HBK giving a super kick anymore.
Sweet Chin Music it's not a Superkick
You know CYN was gonna be a huge threat when they had a hype package for Sarah Logan doing chores 😂
CYN was way better than boring WWE😊
@@paulkendrick4153lol you’re delusional CYN was terrible
I would ban DDT’s as anything but a finisher. You would not get up from having your head slammed into the ground like that. But we see a dozen of them in every match.
The problem with CYN wasnt the banned moves, it was the lighting, filming, the weird cut edits, the voice overs etc.
That dude is such a nut job. He can't see past his inflated ego.
He is also keeping kayfabe a bit
@@Disneymagic24He's in character most of the interview. He breaks a little when Chris laughs.
Talking about "narratives" is a great way to get go away heat.
To sabotage it would imply there was something TO sabotage. Like, I appreciate that he tried to do something different. But it's time for him to admit that it wasn't good.
I understand his thinking now
He’s really gonna die on the CYN failed not because it sucked but because people sabotaged it hill? I had high hopes for him in the WWE so it sucks to see him go down this tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist route. He also looks fucking insane.
I really hope this is a work from EC3 and that he's not actually this delusional
its a work but he hopes to turn NWA into a big success. He probably cries a lot at home.
CYN was never a threat and never made a ripple, let alone a wave in pro wrestling.
They didn’t have the budget, financial backing nor the exposure for any of that to happen.
It was just another Indy fed. That’s not a bad thing, but to act like it was like the second coming of WCW or something is asinine.
How was cyn sabotaged if no one knew what it was or saw it as a threat
I'm happy Ethan is NWA Champion
"It got bad attention based on frivolous lies" - yeah like the one about having a network tv deal. The lies didnt come from outside the house. They mostly came from Strowmans instagram.
I still don't get why cyn didn't even booked ryback
Bro we both know Ryback isn't even worth anyone's time, dude has to do a poll asking people if he should retire like every month just so he can get some engagement.
@@ryanbobadilla2527he also would’ve bankrupted them for a ridiculous price
@@ryanbobadilla2527 isn't that control your narrative means right?
To me, the "Control your narrative" thing was just a crybaby anti-WWE slogan. These giys who got released were salty about not having any control in their booking or storyline, they had to just do what they were told. So right from the start, I hated that name
Why does this dude always look strong out?
Now I get it...and I get it makes sense if you have a "narrative". But the execution was short sighted and not done well. I agree those moves are overdone *looks intensely at AEW* but they were considered overdone over a period of time. We had atleast 7 or 8 years of those moves being repeated until we lost the sense of their impact and it became an ordinary move. (Know your audience).
So for a Very indy looking low budget company who's goal is to attract new and more viewers, it was a crazy choice to implement banning moves right at the inception of the company. Because after years of becoming numb to those moves, CYN wouldve got the same reaction if they banned a punch, or chop, or suplex.
They were short sighted because if they wanted long term stories based on moves...Simply DONT have anyone do it. Thats all. For 2 or 3 years have nobody do those moves, dont mention banning them..simply have a superkick done after 2 years and the guy gets stretchered out. Fans will catch on and connect the dots.
Instead, you outright ban moves and say it to the audience at home...and it makes a company who's name is Control Your Narrative look dumb af when the wrestlers arent being allowed to control the moves they're able to do, example, having someone hesitate before doing a superkick because theyre not allowed to do it.. Cmon.
I see exactly what hes getting at.
EC3 has to be one of the most delusional men in all of wrestling.
They created a product that nobody wanted to watch. They intentionally promoted it to be overtly edge and cringe, they became a laughing stock of the entire industry, and he still believes that others sabotaged it. LMFAO
Now it makes sense.
Lets stop pretending CYN was going to be anything other than a stupid idea that EC3 had in the pandemic. Stop talking about this like they had successful shows and drew
Sabotoge eh
Sorry I think perfer the WWE. The move is banned so nobody hits it and its never mentioned then once in a blue moon someone hits it and it's amazing
Don't have people be hitting the "Banned" moves on your first show
CYN is great new faction in wwe just like NWO. and they can make content on netflix. they could be that bray wyatt new wrestling thing
Wasn't something I paid attention to.
Ec3 is one interesting cat to say the least
I watched the first ever episode... And it was terrible weird
i'm tired of modern wrestling in that regard. Most moves have no meaning anymore. Like that spot recently from AEW, I forget who it involved because it's very forgettable, but it was two guys giving eachother canadian destroyers back and forth with no selling. Like wtf is that?!
It was Orange Cassidy and Penta, that spot was ridiculously stupid. It's stuff like that that makes it hard for me to like AEW.
I agree. They get wayyyy over the top and the no selling just makes it hard for me to get excited for them. Im exaggerating this scanario but it feels like someone can get hit with a hammer, take a finisher on a chair and kick out at 1 standing up supercharged like old school hogan.
The problem is you didn't say you banned those moves. You said you just banned moves. So you left no context. That made it sound like you were Banning moves in general which means it really wasn't a wrestling show it was just two people standing across the rain from each other and looking at each other. So nothing was going to know this that was the problem.
I like EC3 but nobody watched it I’m sorry😂or if they did it wasn’t bc it was good😂it was god awful the concept the voice everything the wrestling just everything 😂😂😂
He and Tony Khan have got to be the biggest jokes of promoters ever
It was a dumb idea
If CM Punk had this idea, it would be enshrined like the Bible.
It was a idea that didn't work
can't take this guy serious with this hairstyle he should actually go back to his bald look
He’s right. I watch more AEW than WWE. Just prefer the presentation more, reminds me of WCW. With that being said, ALL those moves are way overdone. Also, why do we call a suicide dive a tope suicida? Honest question. Also, they would be well served to replace Excalibur. He’s maybe good enough to call ROH but he’s not a main event talent.
If they limited the frequency of those kind of moves, the back and forth strikes, Moxleys blood, etc to make all those moments special it would improve the AEW product so much.
I want AEW to do well and sometimes less is more.
Comment section Bunch of PG WWE marks
"Won a lot of people over"
Stop. It didn't win anyone over lol. They were not a threqt to anything. Is Van Vliet getting a little pudgy?
the icw had a bitch fit about it and the aew mark’s can’t stand anything that isn’t a spot fest shit show
why specifically AEW 😂
This guy is intentionally lowering his voice. Its a shoot interview but he trying to work the boys ha
It's bs aside wwe fanboys decided to crap on it everywhere so yes they did sabotage it...they are doing the same to AEW
Is that you ec3?
AEW is sabotaging AEW, thanks to Tony Khan, EVPs and delusional Marks like you who would blame everyone except the owner of the company and its booking. Low Attendance, Ratings, Sales and profit..says everything. Keep on crying.
I have seen waaaaay worse than CYN....
Lol.
What a conspiracy theorist
Shit was trash and was no way a true competitor, wasn’t worth sabotaging