BJJ White Belt Accused of Being a Mat Bully
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มี.ค. 2019
- When are you just training hard and when do you cross the line into the realm of a mat bully?
This is a question that came from our friend Tim who was recently accused of being a bully in his Brazilian Jiu-jitsu gym.
He also makes a reference to mat bullys in a recent video I did.
The video our friend Tim was asking about was here: • BJJ Brown Belt Demolis...
In this video I look at the situation where Tim who is a White Belt in BJJ was applying pressure to another White Belt. The aim was to get a response and open up a armbar submission.
The big idea I try to zero in on is that it's not always what you do, but where does it come from.
Meaning are your actions on the mat coming from a place of desire and passion for Brazilian Jiujitsu, or are you actions fueled by neediness to win and insecurity.
I've personally been on both sides of the fence in relationship to this issue. I've been the needy guy who was overly aggressive and only cared about winning.
Now I train hard, but always with a focus of excitement for training and an attempt to better myself and my training partners.
If this is a situation you've found yourself in, I hope this video is helpful for you and your BJJ training.
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150 pound white belt accused of being a mat bully 🤣🤣🤣. Wait until that guy comes across a real mat bully.
Like a 200 pound purple belt who is having a very bad week lol
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Shoulder on face pressure = perfectly fine and good move, can't believe anyone says this is bullying.
Knee on face pressure = maybe you're a mat bully
Love your comment Spritely Yapper. The funny and real thing about this comment is that it's a maybe. Cause in life, it's all about the situation. Sometimes the face is there and your knee is not doing anything productive. Be careful not to hurt someone and check with your partner and coach. Go Train!!!
Fun fact, when we spar o do drills in kung fu, one og the techniwues we do is a throw(either a sweep or a judo style throw) and we transition to a lock that i dont know the name, but its basically like a wristlock that also attacks the elbow while holsing their arm straight... While we control the oponent by pressing a knee on their face with all our weight on it... Tap comes swiftly after that always xD
Spritely Yapper my coach taught us a whole knee on face system lmao
I agree for the most part but if you’re 280 and rolling with a 120 ibs white belt girl and driving your shoulder into her face you’re being a dick
Sounds like our mans partner was just kind of a pussy.
Holly crap, a shoulder pressure is considered bullying? Those other white belts are way too soft.
I agree, conditionally. When your teeth hurt and your jaw clicks for days afterward, even though you're wearing a double mouthguard...it might be too strong of a cross-face.
Discretion is key. Use pressure, use discomfort, and use your arsenal to learn and grow. As soon as it becomes a case of gooning, driven by nothing more than ego, that's where I'd draw the line.
Not a mat bully. Shoulder pressure is not just legitimate but necessary to progressing in passes or submissions.
I’m a smaller guy so when I roll with bigger guys they always use their weight as an advantage and in no way am I ever thinking they are being mat bullies
They aren't going ham, so that's not a bully
Same. I'm 155 lb. We're a small school, so my matches are mostly against 200+ lb guys who I can work my ass off and beat occasionally, and less experienced people (teens and girls) smaller and weaker than me that I can beat easily so I will make mistakes on purpose to give them a chance, then try to recover. I don't think we've had any bullies that I can recall, so it's all good.
Some of the dirtier tricks like pinching, if you don't do it, I won't. But if you do, symmetry is a bitch.
I’m 215 and usually I’m the biggest guy for some reason, i will usually use my weight to help me but I have much less cardio and flexibility than the smaller guys so it’s a trade off.
Anyone in even the friendliest gyms would agree that creating discomfort to pull reaction is a legitimate part of jiu jitsu. Its important in competition, casual, and hobby. My opinion is it'd be kinda wack to disrespect the original intentions of the art
Agreed
Jeah i mean you can build the pressure to the point you notice an effect on the partner. That IS the friendly way. Bullying would be so smack him/her with the shoulder at 110% force in the face which would way exceed the necessary force for the technique.
@@sentientmachine4287 like is said, discomfort. Lmao i kid. I meant "grinding" and head rubbing
One of the black belts at the gym talked to me about how I needed to start being more aggressive and cause people more discomfort, because everyone is here to train for a contact sport.
I’ve been extremely competitive in sports my whole life, but never have done a sport that could hurt another person. It’s a very difficult thing to get acclimated to.
You may want to try a new GYM. You see.. in BJJ some gyms are nice and some attract more evil people lol
Dude, absolutely fucking same! I'm a powerlifter and I come at 250 lbs or about 110 kg and everyone was telling me "You're a big guy your biggest asset is your weight, use it, pressure everyone" meanwhile I'm over here like "Dude I know what 110 kg feel on you cmon ..." :D
@@androthsatyr Thank you. Big guys like you can focus more on technique and less on using weight and strength until you need the weight/strength.
As someone very new to BJJ, but having 10+ years of wrestling, I’ve had to learn to hold back. I love hard rolling, elbows knees, grinding with a cross face or chin, all great for me. Not great for the casual BJJ dad who wants to just learn. Everyone wants something different and I have to be cool about that. Just my thoughts
Tapping during training isn't losing it's Learning.
Tapping someone during training isn't winning it's Learning.
Save the Win /Lose crap for tournaments
“Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.” Yoda
Wish I thought of this
I always had a problem with that line. Fear can keep you alive, if you're at least a little afraid you're more likely to pay attention to your surroundings, and less likely to get jumped. I guess it depends on how you deal with fear
@@robertybob4365 what? and I didn't? I'm old enough to have seen it's first run in theaters
I think healthy fear is a good thing. Unhealthy fear is a bad thing.
No growth in the comfort zone. Great vid, Chew. GET AFTER IT!
Thanks brother.
I was rolling with a way more experienced guy than me last weekend, and in the middle of the roll, my leg slipped up and kicked him in the face. There was a split second pause and I let out a quick " sorry, you good?" And he's a beast and tapped my leg and said "good dude" and went right back in it full force. Since the Jiujitsu school closed down a few years back in my town, I have been training with a purple belt weekly, but there's a line of roughness we don't cross. At the end of the day, we still want to have a training partner and being frustrated is fine, but being frustrated because of the attitude of the other person you're rolling with isn't. Slip ups happen, but also, pressuring to create an opening is part of Jiujitsu. It's a full understanding of what you're getting into on the matt and what you will walk away from afterwards. If it's uncomfortable, don't get in that position or learn how to get out.
I've accidentally hit and kicked people while drilling and vice versa. It is a contact sport you're going to get hit, kicked, and elbowed at some point. Shit happens.
Don't be a whimp, Jiujitsu is tough, strenght and WEIGHT PLAY A ROLL!!!
Grappling Buddy your not wrong but being technical is key to
Yeah you're right
I was accidently kicked in the ear today when rolling lol. It hurt pretty bad but its fine lol. We just laughed. Moved on. BJJ is so fun but dangerous
I thought Muay Thai was tough but its a joke compared to grappling lol
Yup and no pun intended
I would advise against going 100% as a white belt... Can only get you in trouble.
If you go 100% you better know what you are doing, and as white belt you just don't.
From my experience spazzy white belts injure others or get injured themselves, usually by higher belts who they piss off.
I agree with this. The only problem is most white belts don't have a choice.
Everything is so foreign to their body it naturally gets stressed out more than a more experienced person.
So as a coach you have to direct new white belts into positions so they don't hurt themselves or anyone else until they're ready for the next step.
@@Chewjitsu I was a wrestler for 10 years I only know going hard every practice to get better and get your body used to that discomfort, which I know you understand as you cover in the video and the same line you mention is also in wrestling which again I agree with that. I'm looking to getting into jujitsu in a few months after graduation and my life is more sorted. I understand that it isn't the same sport but as a wrestler what is best way to adjust? I know how to drill, I know how to spar, but how do I get used to the slower more methodical pace but keep the pace I want to see the improvement I want.
P.S. love your content, if I'm ever in your neck of the woods I'll stop in.
@@jwomackandcheese73 Make rolling slower your goal. Try to use pure technique instead of strength. You will quickly see how little you actually know / how rough your technique is, like a triangle fitting in to a circle; it was only actually achieved by cramming it in with strength.
I watch every day one of your vids. All are very helpful, doesnt matter what question Ben is asking;). Thx Profesore.
Another good video about mindset. keep 'em coming brother!
Love it. Great advise. Go Train!!!!
It's funny, pressure is such a big focal point at my gym. I'm 275. The next heaviest is easily 70 lbs lighter than me. I'm always cautious of putting pressure on, but my coach and partners always tell me to, and compliment me when I lay it on hard.
Not a mat bully at all.
My coach literally said "Im not trying to be mean I just want you to feel the kind of pressure so you know" then proceeded to drive his shoulder into my face
Your videos help me a lot. Keep it up!
Happy to hear it! Thanks for the comment.
Well said Chuy. I have my go to training partners that I roll with because I know they have full time jobs and families to take care of too. Basically I'm saying we go hard, but don't cross the point of injuring each other. If I roll with a guy who's intentions are just to win and is too aggressive, I'll roll with someone else. Realize though if people don't want to roll with you, maybe you should ease up, or teach them instead of just smashing them.
Woa... I felt like this was meant for me to hear tonight after the last week I’ve experienced...
In everything: balance
... and my name is Tim! Whaaaaaat!!!
As a 43-year-old white belt who has been training for a year, I try to find training partners close to my age and weight/build; I always check in and ask how they are before we train; is anything hurt that I should avoid? If not avoiding, do you want me to get the position but not finish the submission? How hard to do you want to go? There's one guy in my gym that I will no longer train with after an incident last week. During technique drilling, he went way off script of what our professor showed and instructed us to work on and hurt me, bruising my face and resulting in immediate reprimanded from our head Professor. He apologized and said "That was fucked up. I'm sorry. You owe me an ass-kicking now." I accepted his apology and we kept going. Then, when it was time to roll, I partnered up with him again because he was the only one close to my age and size. I ended up in bottom side control position, and he tried to grab my left arm. I was pulling it in when he elbowed me hard in the nose. It was enough to make my eyes water but I kept going and was successful in defending the arm. Then he ended up punching me in the mouth going for the cross collar. I tapped and said "You play too rough," and walked off the mat. I can accept being hurt; it's a combat sport after all. But being hurt three times, especially during technique drilling when he intentionally disregarded what we were supposed to be doing, is too much. I am not training to be a fighter; I have a job to get to in the morning and kids to take care of. I do this for enjoyment, activity, and yes also self-defense. But I don't understand going 110% during training. I'm 6'3" and 260 lbs, so I can apply plenty of pressure, but I have never spazzed since the first month and I have never hurt anyone while training.
Totally agree with everything above. Now imagine it being 160 lbs.
You sounds like a solid and respectful training partner. And at my last gym I did meet someone like you describe - young, very strong and fast, no control whatsoever. I stopped rolling with him - injury was inevitable.
Some train 110%. It's good for you to learn that also. It's part of the art. You don't need to roll 100%. That's part of the art also. You are white belt and you haven't yet developed eye for this. Take it as as a learning experience that you learn how hard some can go. Be aware that guys hard is not even fraction of how hard some at top level go. He will learn that lesson also at some point of his journey.
I imagine that's also part of being a big guy (esp in the BJJ world).... everyone thinks that you can take extra punishment.
Freedom Cobra
And you are a troll. Now that we have that sorted out why would a middle aged working father risk his health for something with no rewards?
Thanks again Chewy!
Great video. Love your content.
I would say as an extra point: you have to be aware and play accordingly your weight differences. You don't wanna go full weight-pressure on a smaller opponent, unless you know he is a competitive partner and he is in to play like that
PazsitZ THIS. 👏🏼
This could be copied to a kink site word for word
Exactly, I got this one dude whose like 30 lbs lighter than me but he's still sooooo string and sneaky, snags my arms allllll the time, he gets full force every time cause he's good enough, but there's a white belt 16 yr old giant we have, he's like 6 3 220 but is just starting being active and it's easy to just overpower him or tire him out so I flow w him more as he's growing into this sport
Awesome words man. I got a lot out of this
What works for me when rolling is to ask myself this, “am I using good technique or am I using strength to force what I want to work?”. Having good top pressure is created by good technique as well.
Love the videos, man! Looked up your FB page. Didn’t realize you were in Louisville KY. I am from Bowling Green! Would be awesome to train at your gym sometime!
Come on up!
I love that at my gym everyone tries to match each other’s energy; if someone’s experimenting, trying out their inversions, moving a lot, typically the opponent is down for it, if someone really wants to put the pedal to the metal and leave it all on the mat, most people are willing to match that assuming they’re not hurt or taking it easy that day
A buck 50? Mat bully? Huh? Whuh? What?
Jamal Washington 😂🙏
Beat me to it lmao
😂😄😄😅😅😅😂
Thank You!!! :)
There's a difference between applying pressure and "grinding" that pressure into someone, which will actually injure your training partner. The grinding is fine for competition but in your average roll with your training partners it's no bueno. You break your toys and you have nothing to play with...
At least in MT I was batting about 40 percent wins and 60 percent loses in class or even 50-50 lol
Injuring training partners deliberately or just smashing side control for the entire round without purpose is bad form. Everything else is full send. Spot on video bro
please explain why is side control bad form
It's frustrating but some people are just whiny. As soon as someone starts whining I just avoid sparring with them. If I absolutely have to roll with someone whiny I'll just go super easy on them and let them win, because that's obviously what they want.
We have a no whining sign in our Gym.
Same here. Let them think they got something if it makes them feel better. Maybe one day, they smarten up. Maybe not, whatever.
If I get submitted I often laugh and thank the guy because they exposed an area I need to improve on.
if satan weighed 150 and only had a white belt he couldn't be that "guy"
😂😂😂
Thank you
At some point, ppl gotta remember this is a fighting art
Match intensity levels man. For most people Jiu Jitsu is a hobby. Typically there are more technical ways to get what you want.
I like the new mats.👍👍👍
Good video.
Pressure makes diamonds 💎
Bucket List # 10 Roll with Chewy & Survive.
Hey bro I got a serious question I've never been to a BJJ gym before or any type of that gym what kind of aditude or mentality should I go in with ?
Creating discomfort to advance position or expose an arm. Great fine I've no problems.
Leaning into my full guard and pulling my head into my chest... not cool or even good technique.
If it can be done. It will be done. If I roll with bigger people I'm aware that pressure is going to be a factor. It's all down to recognition of the other person's limitations. I would only consider a person to be a mat bully if they were intentionally and exclusively seeking out people when there is a major skill gap.
Everyone’s different , you just have to learn who you can and can’t go hard against , it’s a process on its own
Most students I go very light with as I dont want to escalate things and get injured. Every class has one guy who goes nuts and its a pain
Also, if you’re ever thinking in your head, “I might be going too hard” and want an ego check, try allowing the opponent you’re dominating to win, or at least give up a position and focus on your escapes rather than your submissions. Think what is the technique to get out, rather than how much strength do I need to bench press this guy/girl.
Your “TRAINING PARTNERS” will like you much better and everyone will learn something.
I had an experience like this last week. I’ve only got one month of training, was rolling with a more experienced white belt but it was a female. She was much better than me but also smaller, I probably had about 1ft of height over her and maybe 30lbs. So in this case the only thing I found to work with my very little experience was putting pressure on her. I managed to pass her guard to side mount and struggled with an Americana for awhile before I finally got it. When I did, my coach made a comment saying I was beating up on his student. He didn’t seem overly serious or upset but I still felt bad about it. I tried to deescalate the situation by asking my partner for advice on how I should have done the Americana so I didn’t have to pressure her for so long struggling with it. To which she said if I’m unsuccessful getting that kind of submission after about 30 seconds to give up and move to something else. What do you guys think? Was I in the wrong? If I only know a few submissions and not very well do I give up on them after a certain amount of time if I’m struggling? Thank you.
I have no kind of authority in jiu jitsu but you are absolutely not in the wrong, she lost based on you using the only advantage you had and that was a teaching tool for her to use in a real life situation or if she gets in competition. My advice to you is try not to roll with females until you get the techniques down if you wanna prevent that from happening again.
We were working on passing half guard the other day and we did some situationals where we started in half guard. I found myself in a deep half as to not let the other person pass but we haven't worked on any deep half techniques yet. What are some available sweeps from that position?
Google Jeff Glover deep half guard or just deep half guard in youtube...
I believe that as long as your intent isn't malicious and you are always making sure your partner is good you should be good. Like not falling hard on an armbar or really torquing your entire body violently on a kimura. Many a times we dont even finish the armbar when we have broken the grips because we know that we can finish it since we have drilled it...no point in killing your partners because then you have no one to train with. Intent to train or the intent to hurt is the line not to cross.
One of the blue belts almost purple belt at my gym gave me a speech after we rolled saying that I can’t keep the high pace I was going bc it’s not wrestling (I was a wrestler) and that I’m gonna get worse before I get better. He told me I need to unlearn all the wrestling bullshit and that I’m probably never gonna be able to. Never had a problem with the guy, but is true? Do I really have to unlearn wrestling because I’m starting to get the game of jiu jitsu and I’m loving it I just don’t think he sees that in me. Ive been a huge fan of the gracies since I was a kid. I’m getting pretty decent tapping blue belts and I don’t even have a stripe on my belt . I’m also not a spazz when I’m rolling so I don’t know. Thoughts?
This is off topic but i've been thinking about picking up bjj, the only thing im worried about is the risk of injury since i work in construction and need my body to make money.
I've been training gym for 13 years and around 3 years of muay thai with a lot of sparring. In muay thai i've only been injured twice (except for blackeyes etc, things that hurt but doesn't impact my mobility). It feels like the risk of fucking up shoulders,knees,back etc long term is greater than muay thai and gym. Is it fair to say that bjj is more risky? If it is then i think i go back to muay thai or try boxing... but bjj looks so fucking fun☹
The vonfluke choke is a counter to a guillotine and it will crush your opponents face with your shoulder. That’s legit and sounds like the same thing
I'm pretty new so 95% or more of people are better than me which is great. I just try to match my intensity to them while working on the my technique and positioning. I don't bother putting high pressure into chokes or locks because If I have them against someone in the street I can just put a lot of pressure into it and I'm not trying to hurt my partner which is more likely as a novice anyways. I do get one of my buddies to help me with chokes, and locks to make sure that I'm applying the pressure properly so he feels it just to make sure I can do it as necessary but just drilling and sparring I'm just working on position and technique. since everyone is better I also want to cater to them so if they are going super hard I'll go super hard so they can work on what they need to, and since its usually an attack I try to defend it as best as possible and I'm just happy to stop mid position and ask advice if I need some help in that spot but otherwise let them go full bore. I did get a forearm trachea choke like super hard during drilling on my 2nd day and bruised my throat real good so had to ask him to chill a bit during drilling but sparring I just tapped when I knew I wasn't getting out rather than waiting for it to hurt. anyways I just want to help my partner while I get to work on whatever. so if they want to shoulder on face pressure me or knee on face or whatever its all good long as he pulls back on a tap lol
Lol blue here and my coach will create and hold us in what he calls the pit and it’s basically an intense pressured side control or full mount that’s almost impossible to escape and has even tapped some just to pressure. Honestly I think it makes us better because the one time I escaped he was very happy and proud.
Im a white belt too and most guys in my gym are blue belt or above that theres only me and 2 more white belts and almost everyone that are better than me grinds their elbows in my face and knee on my belly you know all these annoying techniques and i dont mind it because if they do it and i react to it in the wrong way i will be caught whenever i have competition in the future so i dont see this being wrong if u cant handle someones arm in your face a martial art (concact sport) is not your thing.
its a part of BJJ you can't pick out things that you don't like because it suits you better go do yoga or take a walk if you're not comfortable with the contact.
Right the pressure is part of grappling, if a boxer complained that his sparring partners punched him in the face you would look at him like he’s an idiot
Pressure is fine, it’s the degree to which that pressure is applied which is the determining factor.
Creating an uncomfortable position is okay, doing so without a care as to whether your training partner is injured isn’t.
You should not grind your elbow into someones face in the gym. That is ok for competition only
please tell you got a mounted reverse triangle on him for that
I train at a Gracie academy, they only train 46 techniques(23 standing & 23 on the ground) I’m 2 classes away from my first strip and literally can’t get enough Jiu Jitsu, I LOVE going to class but a lot of stuff I see online is apparently “not in the curriculum” at my gym. From what I’ve gathered my gym is more self
Defense and not for competition training. My ultimate goal is to begin competing. Should I change gyms to a competition focused gym? I know some of the black belts at my gym compete. Just curious
As far as I remember from research, Gracie academy awards the blue belt based on how well you'd respond in a self defense situation, THEN you start getting the meat and potatoes of Jiu-Jitsu.
I am from Helios lineage and it’s a pure street fight / self defense win by not losing system which I love most of all... if your the guy that wants to compete in straight sport jits I’d most definitely go to check matt or Gracie Barra and gyms like that because that’s competition sport and they will take your game there and truthfully that’s the type of game you need for sport success....now if you want compete vale tudo stay right where you are... the purest of techniques are what you will receive..it is a basics HEAVY style and it will raise your street fight IQ to unbelievable heights!! So many details for the arm lock and once you think you’ve mastered it you realize there’s waaaaaay more details to armlock.. INVISIBLE jiu jitsu is Helios lineage...;) just my two cents cheers 🍻 Boyz.. awesome channel Chuy!!
I've had 230lb guys with a lot of their weight on my head...it made breathing difficult and kicked in some claustrophobia. That gave me the impulse to tap but I didn't. Now, many months later I don't get the impulse to tap when a heavy dude is compressing my chest or on my face cutting off my oxygen. Not pussying out made me stronger. That guy who wants to be handled with a soft touch is going to stay weak.
The line is the tap. You don't tap = it's not too rough.
I like to check in with my partners just to see what’s ok and what’s not or if I think I’ve been a little too rough. Just a simple “you good?” Or just a quick sorry kinda thing.
Tim mentions going "100%". IMHO 100% should be saved for competitions - it's not a level we can sustain in daily rolling. BBs may have sufficient technique and control, but a white belt going 100% is one micro-slip away from a serious joint or impact injury - to oneself or more likely the training partner.
Agreed. I honestly rarely go at the pace I do in competitions in the gym. Just because of injury risk.
That said, most newer people don't have the ability to shift into a slower gear. At least initially.
You also have to consider your training/sparring partners emotional reasoning. Perhaps they're a sore looser. And a way for them to justify their loss and nullify their insecurity is by accusing you of cheating, using illegal techniques, being a mat bully, etc.
About to go to my 3rd class... Now I'm afraid I'm a mat bully 😭😱
I thank people when they submit me, sincerely because I appreciate them rolling with me... But coming from a wrestling background and being 225lbs I do kind of use my weight... I hope people some think I'm disrespectful when we roll 😬
I appreciate the advice and helping me work this out.
@@Steven-rp8zo really appreciate the advice! Because of this quarantine I've not done Jiu Jitsu as long as I was doing Jiu jitsu 😭
Can't wait to get back
Mat bullies usually have an attitude tbh. They tend to seek out weaker, newer, or uncomfortable looking people. And they "miss" when their opponent taps or yells in pain and the teacher telling them to stop. They hide behind "I was just practicing the technique and training hard" a lot too. And if you confront them about it, they don't question if they were in the wrong. They make excuses about how "can't take the heat" or "in the streets". This guy isn't a bully just from wondering if he is and caring if he is or not. Mat bullies don't care, they chuckle at the poor weaklings they wrecked.
To me crossing the line is when you are being rough without the submission being plausible. Like holding a neck crank that won’t get the tap and only hurt your partner. Your partner may tap just to avoid the unnecessary damage
I’ve been having a hard time taking it slower
I always figured that if you have to wonder if you're being a matt bully; you probably are. But it's all about what your partner is feeling
I think it could be about how hard you are going with eachother. Maybe the other guy was taking it easy most of the time and suddenly felt like he was being thrown a hard push all of a sudden he wasnt ready for. I dont know, but I think he cant really accuse you of being a mat bully if he never asked you to chill the pressure or anything like that.
Sometimes the only way you can gauge if techniques are working for you is against others of the same rank. He is not a bully.
Literally all I do is when I pass guard or get into half guard is to go for that neck, im 16, 230 lbs and 5'11. I just put my shoulder and biceps into ppls chins and necks for that control, if I can get it, I'll go for head an arm triangle, if I can't, ill go for armbar or ill let up if ik im not gonna be able to get a sub
When I was a white belt I was super agressive, I have never injured anyone though. I was aggresive with higher belts because I needed a prove that jiu jitsu works, simply what is the point of training if you can submit higher belts just with your strength? I was the most competitive with white and blue belts. White just because and blue because it was the next step so if I can beat a blue belt it would mean (in my mind back then) that I am also ready to become a blue belt. I am a blue belt now, my approach to training changed but I still pay the price for my aggresive behaviour, many people don't want to roll with me. Which I think isn't fair considering how much I changed.
Obviously other people don’t think you have, if no one wants to roll with you. Karma takes a bit more time to earn that respect back, especially if you haven’t spoken with your training partners to apologise and let them know you have grown and are different now from when you started.
@@1980gm9 I didn't say no one, but yeah thx for the reply
Mike Ehrmantraut I can see why “not many” people want to roll with you just based on your reply. You focus on the wrong things. Good luck with training.
@@1980gm9 I focused - it is in the past
Ya i feel that way somtimes as a white belt and much bigger than everyone in my gym im 250 its not hard to beat them with strength so it always bother mw u know i dont want to hurt my brothers n sisters
It also depends on what are you training for. If you are training to be a fighter (even if you are starting out), you tend to go hard. If you train just for fun, then you tend to be more soft i guess.
Sounds like Tim dented the other guy's ego to me.
People either say I go crazy or a softie.
I go soft about 90 percent of the time but there are is about 2-3 white belt guys that bring the worst out in me and force me to go very hard. I find rolling soft is very gentle on the body and you learn more
That sounds like trying to invoke a response and they similar in size. Yes, slightly bigger, but not 100lbs difference. I don’t mind the neck/face bug or pressure it’s part of it.
I did have a guy who was in the mount position that just drove his fist into my trying for a choke. Not sure if that’s legit, but thought it was a bit of a douche move. It didn’t work in the end though.
I have a question in regards to this the dude said he was on top and the dude sort tucked his arms in .. how else do u free his arms in that situation if not by some sort of force? white belt or not if hes on bottom not moving just holding arms in, so u cant do anything and ur on top i mean what else can u do other than create an opening i dont know bjj im just interested in starting so this question may seem ignorant but i genuinely dont see an issue i mean ur training
U cant just insult people because because ur playing possem
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I would of thought as long as the exchange is educational and respectfull and u both push each other to be better and above all u honour the tap then surely ur fine as a person right ?
As a bigger guy myself I always find it funny how smaller guys have no problem speeding around you or spinning around using their agility as small dudes, but as soon as you use a little bit of your natural strength you’re the ass. Lol If you can use all your speed all the time I should be able to use a little of my strength every now and again.
I don't think they are really comparable. Strength and size supplement bad technique and can make it work anyway, meanwhile being agile without technique doesn't really get you anywhere. That's just an opinion from someone who is neither of the two.
Chewy actually discussed in an episode and says size and strength are no different than any other personal attribute. I am 6'2" 290 and ppl still tap me, does size and str help, sometimes, but so does being smaller and more flexible.
@@thedooran He is free to think that, I just shared my opinion. I personally don't really care either way since I abuse the fuck out of my flexibility but I can see why people don't like rolling with big guys who go hard.
But I indeed am curious, how does being smaller help? Combat sports have weight classes for a reason; if two competitors are on a same level skill wise but the other guy is 40 pounds heavier, that guy will almost surely win.
@@thedooran I guess the question is whether speed and flexibility is also helping someone injure you rather than just win. If your strength is being used to win and doesn't injure others then they're equal but I'm not sure a fast or flexible opponent is less safe as a partner if they don't have much strength.
I am 6-11 and 500 pounds and go 100 percent and enjoy throwing people up on their neck and smashing their face with my huge shoulders and chest. I also only go for neck cranks, wrist locks , forearm chokes hard in the trachea and heel hooks. Do you want to roll lol I have an IQ of 60 but I am a huge and can bench press a bus
How can I get to a place where I can do ANYTHING? A gym full of wrestlers, judo competitors, and long term practitioners. I spend 98% of every session on my back just trying to not get submitted.
4-6 days a week for at least 5 years without fail and don't skip open mat time...
My question for the white belt alleged "mat bully" would be - how did you respond to the accusation? Were you empathetic, did you hear him out? Did you understand that maybe at his level grinding an elbow or shoulder into his face was something he was not quite prepared for or ready to face? Or were you like, "whoa it's totally legit, it was used on me, you're just complaining" or "git gud" - I think that would help you understand if you are a mat bully or not.
Children use shoulder pressure and forearms to create space a grown adult needs to buck up.
Most wrestlers are aggressive cuz that's how it is until they learn BJJ. I remember trng with a wrestler that wanted to win everytime but he just ended tiring himself while I was relaxed etc.
He's not a mat bully. Putting a lot of shoulder pressure is part of the game and is encouraged. Knee on belly pressure is far more painful and everyone knows that's part of the game. Putting shoulder pressure like that will help him if anything; he will realize that being flattened out is terrible and he'll try to avoid it like the plague next time. In no way is that guy a mat bully.
If you are having an issue like that and want to work on technique more than being over powered just tell your partner before you roll. I'm 190 lbs and roll will small females all the time and just don't use all my strength and focus on technique. That started because another white belt that is a female asked me to focus on technique and not use my strength to overpower her. So that other white belt, instead of complaining, should just ask the stronger, bigger person to roll and focus on technique
And you are right Chewy... It's about your attitude. I'm a white belt with only about 9-10 months of experience in BJJ. I roll against people heavier and bigger than me but I also roll with smaller people. Either way when I get tapped out, honestly sometimes I laugh because I can see how I got myself into that position. You have to have an open mind and a positive attitude for training. If you are arrogant and get mad every time you have to tap then you are probably not going to learn that much.
I will argue that you are only being a mat bully when you violate your partner's boundaries. Everyone who trains in jujitsu has different goals, which naturally leads to different attitudes toward training. Each player has a responsibility to make their boundries clear. You CANNOT expect your training partners to respect boundrues you have never expressed to them. For example, I had severe tendonitis in both of my elbows and for obvious reasons spider guard kills me. I have made it clear to everyone i train that I prefer not to be in spider guard. I realize that this is a huge hole in my game and I'm going to have to eventually figure out how to deal with spider guard. However, at this point in my jujitsu journey erecting this arbitrary barrier is the difference between being able to train and not being able to train. Thankfully my training g partners have respected my boundaries thus far. However, it is completely unreasonable to expect a training partner to respect boundaries that have never been expressed. So if, for whatever reason, you are one who has boundries, you have to A. Recognize that not everyone has the same boundries. B. Clearly communicate those boundries to your partners. And C. You're a big boy now so use your words when your partner is going too far. They're not mind readers and it's up to you to verbally enforce those boundries while you're rolling. Dont be a bitch and complain after the fact when you didn't say anything in the heat of the moment. Rolling during training isn't a competition. It is a learning process and there is no benifit to being thick headed and injuring yourself over not verbally expressing yourself. You can tap whenever you want. I regularly roll, as a white with only 2 weeks of experience, with a 270lb blue belt. I often tap from pressure alone. He finds that floating rib and puts his weight on it and I'm f
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Yeah the desperation to win in a roll is toxic. When you have one guy tapping the other out constantly throughout a roll, isn’t cool. But when you bring yourself down to a less experienced persons level, allow them to take a few things so you can work your defenses and escapes etc then that’s really productive for both of you. But for the guy who’s desperate to just win, especially if the other guy can’t do anything but curl up in a ball, then get a grip of yourself. You’re hindering all progress and generally being a throbbing member.
Knowing your opponent is important. This blue belt guy gives me a beating because i absolutely love a good fight and he rolls gently with the soft guys. Spar hard with the upper belts and not so hard with the beginners.
This sort of whining also comes from ego. You don't wanna lose so you disqualify your adversaries' style or technique when you do in order to feel better and justify your loss. I used to get really angry when white belts pressed their elbows against my thighs in order to open my guard (not in a technical way), held on to a guillotine me when I'd already passed their guard (or whatever they meant to do with my head if anything) or even when they were going really hard and fast (in my head that was the wrong way to do it) and smashed me. Only when I stopped giving a damn about those things that I realized how simple it was to counter those "techniques" and how to deal with faster-paced adversaries. It was coming from a wounded ego and a need to win rather than from a healthy training spirit.
kicks to the face aint allowed are they in bjj..?
I'm a 5'1 103lb female blue belt and I struggle a lot because in my gym everyone is bigger and stronger and sometimes people just can't control themselves while rolling with me. I like to have fun when I roll, I'm not a competitor and don't aspire to be one so I always ask people to relax and have fun we're not trying to kill each other after all. But not everyone can do that. Don't get me wrong I love rolling hard sometimes but technically not physically since I don't have the advantage of outpowering my opponent anyways. And I struggle to differentiate which people I should avoid and which not. For example we have this blue belt girl at my new gym, she's done judo for 15 years, she's very strong and always tries to pull same judo shit on me which is fine but she just uses so much strength (probably she can't control it) she gives me bruises from her grips although I ask her to be more careful and she also pulls submissions in a very harsh and painful way. Basically she fights like she's competing all the time and I just feel like I'm being bullied all the time and it makes me wanna leave the mat and not come back. She doesn't intend to do it that way but she just gives me this vibe that I find to be very unpleasant and I wonder if I should still roll with her sometimes or avoid doing so. I don't mind getting submitted I'm totally fine with it but I'm also trying not to get my arms broken every time I roll with someone like that. I feel very frustrated when it happens 🙄 I don't want to be that whiny person, I realize BJJ is a martial art and all but it's also very discouraging to just constantly get hurt and not from submissions but from a simple grip. It's just not fun. I believe there's the right time for strength and smashing in BJJ but not all the time 😑
best way is to talk to your coach about her
@@THEFLAWEDCASUAL she's not doing it on purpose
Coach just said I should mostly avoid rolling with her
I'm a 220 purple belt and had a white belt (black belt in judo) roll the same way. Must be the way judo trains or starting over at square one makes them feel like they have something to prove when they switch to BJJ... For you I'd just not roll with her at all. You owe her nothing and your safety is your responsibility more than it is hers dont feel like you owe anyone anything, injures heal but they come back is arthritis later in life reducing your quality of life in your later years (starting to understand this one now first hand)... Just politely decline. At some point your game will far exceed hers if she's skipping learning jits to continue to work judo during open roll time... A year or two from now if she's even still there try again and you'll probably be smoking her by then with bjj technique that she passed on learning...
@@OG_JimboSlice thanks a lot! Great to know I'm not alone at this haha
Im new but i figured dont go 100 unless you 2 state it b4 the roll
Sounds like one white belt got offended that the other white belt was progressing faster
In most spheres of activity, including sport, you will always come across a man - and 9 times out of 10 it is a man - who is simply insecure and has a need to win at any cost, using disproportionate aggression in friendly scrimmages.
It is rather sad.
"and 9 times out of 10 it is a man"
In my experience, women are far more likely to be insecure and willing to use disproportionate aggression to win. The difference is that that aggression is typically not as obvious as the aggression between dudes.
with guys it's often : i hate you...me punch you now.
while with girls it would be more like: I hate you, so I will tell Janice about that one time where you did X with clara who was supposed to be doing blablabalbala which will hopefully result in your friends also disliking you.
I don't do those kinds of smashing-them-for-discomfort moves (I do basic, solid top pressure, but not anything too targeted) but I recognize that's my choice. If someone else does them to me, I don't feel like it's unfair. I need to learn to deal with that.
The only thing that bothers me in Jiujitsu is if I feel like my training partner is trying to injure me or otherwise make me not want to train anymore, and at that point, some action is definitely required.
Tell that guy to roll with a judoka. Those guys don't fuck around
Great video. Just got back from the gym. Had 3 super hard rolls even though they were short. All 3 rolls ended with sharing a smile and a fist bump. I think that's a huge sign of not being a mat bully. I feel like mat bullies would just walk off without a word and onto the next victim. Acknowledge each other's hard work and maybe even give a compliment on something they did well.
I really wish you did not have to ROLL every damn class as it puts a lot of stress on my body. Yesterday I had to roll with 2 girls and I went super soft and it was just very odd experience. Last week the guy was 270 and massive and I was very nervous and I stalled the clock out and survived lol
@@quasar4601 sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do lol
@@slimelord314 , I noticed the evening classes attracts more goons and thugs while the morning classes seem to have more normal folks. I only do to the AM class and my work makes the pm class impossible so it works out. I am usually at the bottom of every class lol Funny.. I always get picked for the Demostrations but I am one of the weaker rollers
@@quasar4601 I need to try a morning class some time. I feel like almost everyone that I've rolled with in the evening classes at my gym is pretty nice though. Maybe I got lucky
@@slimelord314 , I only do the NO-gi so I will be White forever
Where do i ask question?
Here or Ig is fine. Or you can send an email by going to my contact page at chewjitsu.net
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