New Guy Told a Fight Promoter He Submitted Me (True Story)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2020
- In today's video I answer a question from Alex (a young BJJ Blue Belt) who has some Wrestling experience about rolling with new people inside the gym. He says that recently he was rolling with a brand new guy who also had some wrestling experience. During the rolling he was very easy with the new guy because he wanted to welcome him to Brazilian Jiu-jitsu.
Well, after the round was over the new guy seemed to think that Alex couldn't do anything to him.
So Alex's question to me is about whether or not he should put it on the new people in the gym or go easy.
In this video I share a couple of stories about times I took it easy on people and they mistakenly thought I couldn't do anything to them. Then I also go into how I do things now to help people understand the level of skill that exists but also be helpful at the same time.
If you're in a similar situation as the Blue Belt when you're rolling with new White Belts then I hope this is helpful.
-Chewy
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I believe I have also submitted you. I will happily take my free month to be taught otherwise. Thank you sir
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Ha ha well played sir!
damn u beat me to it
Damnit! Beat me to it. I’d gladly get smashed a whole month. 😅😂
@@marty2599 Pause ✋🏽😂
"That's the guy who couldn't do the shrimp!" That made my F#$%ing day.
I struggled with my first shrimp day one... Maybe I also have two left feet.
When he said that i died laughing
@@brianfattig1491 NO thats normal. First workout it felt so unnatural that i didn't even do the second one... Fuck them shrimps boi
I am glad it made your F&@?$”!/; day
HAHAHAHAHHAH
When I was 14, I thought I was hot shit when I submitted my sensei, a 4th degree traditional jujitsu black belt. Little did I know, he was just an amazing teacher putting on kid gloves for me. Miss that guy, best fighting instructor I've ever had.
Went to jujitsu gym (I’m a large fit looking dude) told them I didn’t know shit, purple belt broke my wrist 5 mins in. Sometimes the ego doesn’t belong to the new guy.
I didn't get anything broken but my shoulder got fucked up for months thanks to some dickhead with an ego. I'd done 12 years of Muay Thai leading up to that and a friend said I should try some BJJ. I never went back.
Went to a local gym. Some dude JUMPED into an arm bar with me. I nearly broke my arm. Nearly.
Dont try to roll hard or sometimes they need to slow you down.
Lol purple belt doing wrist lock on a white belt...idk about other gym but my gym that's a written/unwritten rule.
@Alex Hahaha just what i was thinking !
My mentality has always been that new people sign up to learn jiu jitsu, so show them jiu jitsu. This was my expectation when I started too, so I don’t take it personal when I get smashed. I do like the Rich Rule though!
That's a good mindset for yourself, but as a coach (or even a training partner), you could possibly miss out on some good, earnest people. Maybe they aren't even interested in competing, but they surely can make excellent training partners; fostering a chill, creative environment.
Point being, I know some really good training partners who are an absolute pleasure to work with, and learn with, who probably would have been put off from getting "smashed."
My gym, the higher belts will submit me, but then they also go back and show me how they did it..
I think the Rich rule is in wide use in the gym I train at as well. It depends a little though. If the new person is weak, small, or lacks confidence I don't think you have to be as rough. Its the jocks you have to put in their place.
Yeah for sure! Yesterday a new girl came to train with us. I taught her the basics, escape, position, etc. Told the guys to learn her something and don't put too much pressure on her. There was absolutely no need to use that rule on her.
Maybe you should never be “rough” though, you know?
@J Freddy Could be, but she wasn't.
I can understand the weak and lack confidence part but don’t underestimate someone just because they’re small, that puts you at a disadvantage.
Or you can just be humble and let people have their moment 🤷🏼♂️
That's so nice to hear cause I have the exact same policy since I was a purple belt. Rolling with the lower belts, I always go for the kill in the first seconds. Real pressure, speed and submissions. Then I just go with the flow, letting them do their moves or even leading them to train the positions taught thay day. And I never let anyone submit me. If they do, it was totally for real.
The Rich Rule sounds very appealing and reasonable. Thanks Chewy and Rich!
The Rich that chewy is talking about is a black belt at the gym I started at. He’s awesome and continues to teach the Rich Rule. First time I rolled with him, he 10 finger guillotined me, triangled me, and straight ankled me within 1 minute. Then spent 5 minutes just letting me squirm and work around.
I was rolling with one of our black belts. He was in mount and I got a trap and roll escape off on him. He said “Dude, NICE sweep!” Then he tapped me within two seconds.
As a no stripe white belt, I’m going to ride the high from that compliment for a long time. I’ve rolled with him before and I have no misconceptions about who is in charge there. Great video, show them why you’re a higher belt and then they’ll know that you’re going easy on them when you do.
From whitey to whitey, keep this attitude. The small battles we win are awesome, but we always gotta keep in mind the guys above us can usually end it whenever they want🤣🤣
I’m just a blue belt, but I had a white belt on top with his far arm trapped, so immediately after he transitioned to mount I executed that sweep. He had a competition coming up so I stopped the roll & asked him if he knew what he did wrong, walked him thru it a few times & I think he understood that without that arm available to post, he’s gonna get swept. Especially in competition, he would’ve been better off maintaining side control & working for a submission from there instead of “advancing position” to end up on bottom. #WhiteBeltLivesMatter 🤓
Don’t think trap and roll is a sweep. But I still get what you mean.
It’s just ego. Ignore it. If they stick around, they’ll wise up. If they don’t, they’re dust in the wind.
No ego Is letting a newbie work to learn and build confidence but then getting butt hurt when the newbie gains confidence so then you feel the need to beat the newbie you already know you can beat.
@@jonahcooke2735 that's 100% about your ego. I don't give one shit what the new guy thinks he will learn his place when it matters. Don't let him work if you are gonna cry when the new guy smiles. People like you are why noobs don't come back. Sad.
I agree with you.
@@blaydes4612 The escalation is down to both sides letting their ego getting the better of them. It's a problem in all facets of life, even outside the gym.
@@andrewford80 The noob isnt coming in with an ego or you aren't going to let him work or he has no confidencence and you let him work to feel good about it, learn, build confidence and make them want to come back aka inflate ego... Don't let him if you can't handle it
When I initially rolled with one of the brown belts at my school he was nice & let me roll (i.e. he didn’t kill me). I NEVER thought ONE SECOND that I was mystically “good”, but I have experience in other arts so I understood this.
One other brown belt ALWAYS taps you out; though he let’s you tire your azz out first, if he likes you.
As ur fans for years I think we deserve to see some of ur mma footage to get us thru these hard time’s :)
I'll see what I can do.
Chewjitsu thanks chewi :)
Yes!
I am brand new I just get smashed regularly and look forward to it. I figure in 9 or 10 years I will get a submission lol
same lol, shit is fun as hell
You'll totally get one way before then and it'll feel awesome!
6 months brother. It’ll click 🤙🏼
Keep at it man. A mew person will come in and you’ll catch them. They will then want to roll with you plenty because you’re the nice guy. Then you will be able to work your subs. Just get better every time. Usually getting better means getting smashed. You have a positive attitude. That’s key.
I think it was 2 and a half months since I started when during rollling I passed someone's leg, took his back, and bow and arrow choked him. First submission ever.
I did a "Yeeeessss!" once. I was immediately deeply ashamed. It was more about me pulling off something that I had been practicing rather than doing well against the higher belt I was rolling with. Rolling can be an emotional experience sometimes and we're not always thinking as clearly as we would in the cold light of day.
That goes double for really new white belts who are being bombarded with new information and trying to make sense of it.
I can relate to that! As soon as I realized my mistake, I felt so bad! Think I just got carried away with the surprise that I made something work
I've made this mistake too. I had been trying to practice a move, I landed it, did the "Yeeeessss!" and then felt like an awkward ass for about a week of rolling.
I still don't understand why celebrating is demonized, if it wasn't basketball game it wouldn't feel ashamed to celebrate would you? It's the same thing
The only difference is that people have very fragile egos when it comes to Combat training, because in any other setting it would be perfectly normal to celebrate but in Jiu-Jitsu people get offended which is against everything that Jiu-Jitsu stands for, I wouldn't be upset if someone celebrated after they tapped me regardless of belts and all that other bulshit
@@adamzoubi96 I think its also because people really value the communities we have in BJJ and it doesn't help the community to rub it in. I don't take offence at minor celebrations but if your training partners only see you as an obstacle then they tend not to be the people I'd want as long term training partners. That's all.
Chew, there is a famous Brazilian saying that roughly translates to “beware of F-boys.” You’re unwritten rule is straight wisdom. Great advice.
Lesson: people can learn a lot from a nice humble ass kicking.
Chewie's approach is exactly what I do. I like to show them power the power of jiujitsu, but then show them I am letting them work.
The first guy I ever rolled with was super cool with me, I love him to this day. I also went home and googled “throat injuries”.
Similar thing happened to me and my professor told me a story where he went easy on a new guy and just let him work then the next day he never showed up left a review on yelp saying his a fake black belt LoL
Wow!
Handed him a business card and offered a free month lol, thats perfect \m/
Chewy, your a bright light during a shitty time! Thanks for sharing your wisdom, humility and insights 👍🏾👊🏾🙏🏾⭐️💫
I love this guy's attitude/temperament..
We take a really similar approach with new people in fencing. It helps them realize you're letting them work and helping them rather than that they're amazing and don't need to learn.
Loved this video! 3 stripe white belt here, I live for the rolls when a higher belt shows me what's possible in the first half of a roll, then teaches and let's me get some work in. I appreciate those guys so much!
Such awesome advice. Thank you 🙏
Great advice and great stories!
Love the new opening. Just started BJJ for the first week and im LOVING it. Thanks so much for the videos chewy! Keep on rollin on
Thanks for these nuggets of gold chewy 😁
Had a new guy (older guy) used to box set up grapevines so heavy and so hard pressed ended up injuring my knee. I do love getting to talk with the guys as they come in and teach ‘em my way of roll with respect and we both go home safe
You mentioned the “Rich Rule” in an earlier video and I’ve definitely been using it. I think it’s a great idea to first let them know reality first, that way they immediately recognize when I’m letting them work. It’s a great rule. Thanks Chewie
Great perspective chewy!
I'm new to Jui jitsu but I had my first lesson and I can't wait to get my ass back into the gym. These videos are awesome for me as a beginner.
I can definitely see the truth in your message. Just got promoted to blue belt and got 2 times worse all of a sudden. My blue belt friends and higher training partners are putting on the heat. The white belts are trying to go after me with more aggression as well.
Great video!
Kind of late to the party, but they don’t call em “blue belt blues” for nothing. I’m 46 yo blue belt that had a long lay off from an injury. Now that I’m back it, I’m constantly fighting off never seen before funky attacks coming in from the higher colored belts, and four strip athletic white belts coming in for the kill.
I don't train, but I was jock and love the Ritchual. Makes perfect sense. Great video.
Great advice. I have had a similar experience with going too easy with new guys. Thank you!
When I first started Jiu Jitsu I got paired with Blue belts sometimes and it was always immediately clear to me that they were just playing with me and making me work. It's pretty easy to tell when someone is going easy on you.
I like this idea because as a new guy it helps to know you are learning from people that know what they are doing!
I really like the way you explain what you mean. You definitely have a understanding that most people don't have😂
Its perfect, not only for the reasons you described, but so the new guy can know how good they could be if they continue to train in your gym.
Perfect advice!!!
I wrestled in college. Just got into Jui Jitsu; I love it. Needless to say, currently a white belt and getting stomped a few times a practice. Learning and having fun!
Subbed. I'm new to muay Thai and fell victim to the "being better than everyone else" syndrome. Like u said sign me uppppp
Always loved it when my coach would roll with me and let me work what I know and then he would step things up on me and I would learn so much those rolls and it only made me better
Great video and great answer. I always have to explain this to the higher belts in the gym. They usually either go way too lite or way too hard on the new guys. However when you summit them it should be with clean effortless technique. Then you help them learn. Best of both worlds. Thanks for sharing.
Great story. Excellent content.
Thank you professor. I'm still learning and teaching and I've been wondering about this very concept myself.
Brother I love your videos, they help out so much.
Guys in my gym would let me work but would also submit me. " Give and Take" I learned so much. They let me think things through and apply them and at the same time they taught me by way of submission. I needed both
Love these videos man
OMG that's such good advice! Thank you
The “rich rule” was dope thanks for sharing
Awesome video, I've see this happen sooo many times!
Long time watcher first time commenting, thanks man. could you possibly do a video on some cheeky submissions like from bottom mount/ side control? i understand they would be low percentage but we all smile when we get caught with something slick :)
I love an ezekiel or this choke I saw Keenan demo: th-cam.com/video/_a7BB1t5GWk/w-d-xo.html I've caught quite a few people with it because when you switch your hips people expect you to go for mount, so fun.
Edit: Just realised you meant bottom side control! If so, baseball chokes are a good sneaky one th-cam.com/video/77nO2Pf4lMU/w-d-xo.html
I've done the "Rich Rule" for years, hilarious. Now it has a name. Thanks
Great Video Have Had this conundrum before Well up for the Rich Rule.
Our gym was doing a promotion to try to get our towns local first responders in..... so i get paired up with this young fit cop.....i go ultra light on him to work on my defense against untrained people, and i wanted to see how he moved to see the average cops level of grappling.... after the end of the round he said since you are a blue belt and I beat you that round i guess I'm at a blue belt level...... in my mind he had cashed his check the next time we rolled..... but sadly he never came back 😂😂😂
ugh you messed up hes probably walking around with inflated ego knowing he beat blue belt without any training lmmfoa
@@omar619kamis I'm sure of it lol
I'm an officer when I first started I told everyone to smash me, I wanted to see first hand how little I knew and how much I needed to learn. It put my ego in place and gave me proper perspective I believe to learn.
@anonymous actually to tell the truth most people there have 2 or 3 years that I train with so I'm good but thanks for the advise brother
This happens when I roll with some friends lol they’re like “woah dude it took you 5 minutes to finally tap me when you have amateur fights & i haven’t really trained anything”
Yes. This is great advice.
"I was letting you work bro?" confused exacerbated tone (that made me laugh out loud haha)
Why would I care if people think they beat me? They'll find out for real when we actually roll in competition. Otherwise, it's just practice for me. People go so hard these days it's crazy. Such an ego battle.
You don't care because you're not a coach. If some random guy off the street thinks he can beat everyone at your gym, he's going to tell everyone and it can hurt business. And people going hard isn't always an ego battle, a lot of times it's because people just enjoy going hard
You should care if you care about others succeeding. 'New guy' having a brief 'shock and awe' moment will affirm their confidence in the lessons taught an make them more attentive.
Read my mind. I would hope that most higher level belts are secure enough not to be bothered by McLovin wandering around thinking he’s the next Gordon Ryan. That being said, I think Chewy’s rule is a good one as long as you’re not spiteful and being careful not to injure the new guy. They need to understand where they are in their development and what’s possible with enough time and effort. My own perspective comes as a new guy to BJJ with a decade of wrestling under my belt. It’s taken a few hard lessons, but I’m changing my approach to ease up on the intensity and focus on fundamentals.
@@ficedulamortis6434 Agree, In my non expert opinion and having taken classes in and outside the USA, I noticed something interesting. In my experience, the way some gyms teach in the USA is for you to come back, sort of a more business like approach, keep you happy, motivated so you make it back to next class. Outside, it was more, proof to us you want to be here attitude, I will show you what this is about, and hopefully you will be back, wont miss you if you dont.
@anonymous Yep!! Been there, its a never ending hell jaja, we used to do it without stopping, as soon as you submit, straight to the next one
Back in the day, I liked training in martial arts because there were few overly competitive jocks. I keep hearing these BJJ dojo stories about aggressive wrestlers coming into the school and placing a heavy burden on the teacher and students. On the other hand, I've never had a problem with a student who couldn't tell the difference between learning a technique and randori. I think your blackbelt student's 3-sub rule is a good idea. Thanks for the video, peace.
Something that I've found helps is to mention at the beginning if I'm going in trying to work on a specific thing before we get going.
Your so humble ❤️ #respect
having your black belts recognized on the wall is pretty neat idea
With new guys i always go hard but at the same times easy, like put them in uncomfortable spots without finishing them, just to make them understand that 1. There are levels to this shit and u most say humble at all times and 2. That is still a training environment and that I'm here to help you improve so we can roll till the end of time
Love the Rich rule! I enjoy rolling with the higher belts (even the ones I already know) that start by going somewhat full speed and then let me work a bit
I’ve been wondering about this for a looooooong time
This just happened in our gym too! New white belt (I'm a mere purple who was told specifically to go easy) and let this new guy work with me a lot. Second time I saw him, the head instructor was out of town and I hear this guy instructing another new white belt during rolls and talking about how he's an aspiring UFC fighter. I grabbed the black belt instructing that night and asked if I could give that guy a lesson in humility. He has been a lot quieter since then.
Beating up on the new guys ? no need to get emotional Its just the practice room, buddy.
Yeah you got my sub! We just opened an Academy behind the gym I train at (I’m a PT.) and I had been waiting to start doing Jiu Jitsu! The instructor over our academy let’s everyone roll as hard as they want as long as it’s mutual agreed upon between partners...... needless to say my first experience with just top pressure had me sold lol.
Some of us appreciate yall upper belts letting us work ✊
Great advice...
“Hey chewy I got a story to tell”.... tells the most unique experience story that not a lot of people can’t relate to
Chewy: I got a story that might help 😉
Wow Great idea and tips
The instructor in our class was a lot like the "Rich Rule". He was good at mirroring energy and he would put us into submissions and let us try to fight out. But he would intentionally submit everyone at least a couple times a round. One time he was taking it easy and I jokingly said "You sitting down on the job?". He laughed and then submitted me faster than ever.
Always humbled me whenever higher belts put you in a heel hook and just give you a stare before cranking down to allow for tap to let you know that there is levels to this
Amped to hear your experience was exactly like mine. It was exactly because everyone completely destroyed me my first day that I signed up. Once you see how high that mountain is you wanna try and climb it.
Ritch Rule. That's really good.
Mate I’ve watched several of your clips today as I was thinking of visiting my local studio / dojo and have found your videos motivational and without sounding like a pussy it’s given me confidence, I’m almost 50 and have always wanted to learn jujitsu but Ive been conscious of some injuries I’ve picked up from other sports. Watching your videos has given me the confidence to crack on and get on the mat, I’m going Monday evening (tomorrow) and cant wait to start.
It’s been a year, who is Jiujitsu training going?
Always take choice B. Put it on them. Another funny thing is, sometimes I am rolling with a huge 200lbs+ wrestler I am also working on things. Like for instance I am working ground game or some new half-guard stuff I learned.
I like this as an idea for "breaking in" new higher energy students, younger students etc. I generally avoid submitting new students myself; I go for the completely dominate and put them in very controlled positions where they really can't move (like taking their back, officer control from side etc), then transition to another complete control position. Once that has happened, I then help them through some basic escapes or passes to let them feel some progress. I do this because new people generally don't even understand they are in a submission; especially chokes; and with some joint locks if they try to escape the wrong way they can actually hurt themselves; so I just go with complete control.
I’m only 5 months in and have learned to let go of my ego. I’ve submitted blue belts but I don’t care now. I’m there to learn. So I take weekly turns on what I’m working on. I work my defense mostly and if I get tapped then so be it. Bump fists, go again.
One day I got submitted 4 times in 5 minutes because I kept putting myself in the same situation. I finally learned how to stop that. I love this sport and I’m so glad I finally found it.
Great suggestions!
Aha! You're not supposed to think you are doing well. You're supposed to admire me and be the way I want.
Love my chewjitsu t-shirt chewy! ....my gym does do this....higher belts here are awesome but they definitely let u know whats what....and then they let u work....lol...good stuff
Good advice
Before watching the video: I feel more often than not, showing how you are dominant but not going super hard on a new guy (unless they already are showing humility) works best
Good advice.
Love the videos btw
Brother if I lived there, I'd be signing up. 💪🏾
Love that ritual idea
100% agree with this. I know anybody who has ever trained has been through this. When the new guy says I almost submitted you. Your response...FINISH HIM (Mortal Kombat Voice)
I think the higher belts at my gym like a variety of training partners (as do we all) because do the nuance each individual presents as a problem to be solved while rolling. I remember a coach insisting I stay and roll open mat after class once and I think it was because he wanted me to gain experience while simultaneously seeing how many different ways he could choke out a larger opponent (I’ve got 80lbs on him and I was choked thoroughly for 30 minutes). But he was a nice guy about it, he let me hop escape and reguard once, so that was a big confidence boost just seeing that the technique when applied would work.
I’m constantly trying not to compare myself to anyone except the person I was last week; I’m trying to be a good training partner for all my teammates whether they have more experience or less, more muscle or less.
We ain’t talking bout the game, the game I love, we talking bout practice. Practice. We talking bout practice.
I love this, great rule!
Who submitted me? Who that guy? that’s the guy who couldn’t shrimp 😂 that cracked me up 😂
Great advice.
Always smash. Compress and compact them. It's through humbling them that they will see the beauty of what they can become vs where they are. 💪❤️
As a 57-year-old white belt, and the oldest guy in the dojo, I actually prefer to roll with the higher rank belts. I noticed that whenever I roll with another white belt, it is far more exhausting because we always seem to be out to prove something to each other. I always appreciate the fact that the higher belts are not out to kill me! Great video!
This is why I believe in heel hooking white belts
Anytime anyone lower than brown gets me even close to a heel hook i tap because...fuck that
@Porrada Everyday Yeah I'm a wrestler, started in high school took some interest in catch afterwards. So leglocks were kind of my thing when I first started submission grappling.
@Porrada Everyday I should've said when I first started(yes im still new only 2 stripe white belt) but,before i knew who knew what i didnt risk it
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Haha, I always tap them quickly once before letting them work. I like this answer
Rich is a wise man. Can also take the time to explain that you’ve been at this for a while and they can get there too. Bring them into ‘the fold’.