SONIClear™ DEMO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 เม.ย. 2014
- The Mapex Drum Company set out to solve one of the biggest headaches of being a drummer; the frustrations of tuning your drums. Players often have had a difficult time tuning their drums and making them sound good because the apex of the edge is too far to the outside of the shell and they can't get the drumhead to sit flat.
Mapex wants drummers to spend less time tuning and be able to play more. The result of that mission is the latest innovation from Mapex: The SONIClear™ bearing edge, which allows the drumhead to sit flatter and make better contact with the shell. The result is a stronger and deeper fundamental pitch, effortless and consistent tuning, and a significantly expanded tuning range.
In short, it enables players to get a great sound even without much tuning experience.
All Armory and Mars Series drums feature the SONIClear™ Bearing Edge. The Armory series of snare drums also features the SONIClear™ Bearing Edge, providing five specially crafted snare drums with pro-level features and uncompromised tuning ease.
Find out more at www.mapexdrums.com - เพลง
sounds AWESOME!!!
Im so sold on these edges. Going to start looking into getting a kit asap!
Very clear and understandable video 👍
Definitely getting a saturn kit once SONIClear BE is added!!
Crush Drums/Pork Pie and so many others have been doing this on ALL their drums since they started!!! Never had and issue like this. But kudos to you guys for realizing that your drums didn't sound that great and for being proactive to fix this!
Thank you for stating this ! I was about to post the same thing... but you already have . I've had only one drum kit with the "rocking head" like he showed and that was a MAPEX drum . Back in the early 90's I was offered a regional sponsorship from the local Mapex rep . He gave me a "prototype" kit at the time wich later was called the Pro-M . They sounded awful and I turned them down . I used that kit on one gig and struggled all night trying to get it to sound good . Nobody on stage liked it and the hardware was falling apart . Since that experience I have this aversion to anything Mapex . I'm sure their drums are a lot better now . But as for me ...no thanks .
Flatter flats, rounder rounds, edgier edges…Wow…marketing. I love 4:46 - 4:52.
dunnettclassicdrums why such a strong name in drums as dunnett would like to leave this type of comments?
we all know dunnett is way out of mapex's league. we also know that this soniclear bearing edge is not something new. good for them that they make rounder bearing edges, cheesy marketing though...
Both drum companies are amazing
Double 45 that puts the bearing edge in the middle of the plies like that of what custom companies like Spaun and SJC are using are my favorites.
tuning is not the real benefit of the soniclear bearing edge, i think they should concentrate more on the sound that a flatter edge gives to your drums, less overtones, more warmth etc. that's the great part
My comments are made with my tongue firmly in cheek.
Not sure what he's talking about, most drum shells are undersized on purpose so that the "flat" area of the head BEFORE the collar sits on the edge. Companies have been doing this for decades now. All of my drums, from multiple makers, the head does not "rock" back and forth like the shows. They all sit dead flat on dead flat edges. The only play is the horizontal movement of the head - again because the shell is slightly smaller. Meaning only you need to center the head on the drum.
The "star" tuning pattern is to achieve even tension across the head, it has nothing to do with seating the head. It is the only way to ensure even tension across a round object. This is why car lug tires are tightened in a star patter as well, same with engine block bolts, etc
He is a professional he knows what he is talking about lol
@@James.ceta14 professional salesman.
It's alot of what sounds good to you as well
The soniclear edge made a superb kit (Saturn) even better. I've heard virtually every high end production brand of ply drum. The apex saturn V/Soniclear is absolutely professional sounding, and superior to many brands that are more expensive. I'm sold. Not to mention the totally stunning deep water burl finish.
I’m thinking of switching to Mapex. Love their sound. Bravo! Like gun-barrel rifling, very simple concept. Took us 400 years to figure out. 👍
An exterior roundover is actually pretty common, it's just that in the pursuit of more volume and projection they became less popular since they have more contact with the shell which mutes the head slightly. That said, usually only cheap drums have a pure 45 degree edge (or leave the outer plies flat), most quality kits have a bit of a back cut (it's just not rounded), with some moving the edge inwards a little (aka dual 45 edge). Old Ludwigs also had a rounded exterior edge with a 45 interior (unless you go real old where they were full round over). Mapex just gave a fancy name to an old trick. The real improvement here is bringing nicely done edges to affordable kits. For example I recently purchased then returned a Sonor AQX that had pure 45 degree edges that weren't even constant across the shell, resulting in wrinkles in the head when not tuned high.
I think that this is a great improvement. And the best thing is not even mentioned in the video:
Drums with this type of bearing edge will hold great value over time. Sharp bearing edges tend to sound good in a store but after 1 or two years the bearning edge will lose its shape, and from that point on they will sound like junk. Its no coincident that all good vintage drums from the 70s and such which are still in use are mostly ludwigs and other old roundover bearing edge type drums. My next kit will be a mapex for sure!!! 🥁
sorry... there´s a huge error of missunderstanding the fact that more expensive drums are owned by people that already has tunning skills. Most of time happens that rich people are the most unskilled one... and working musicians end up being the pooerst, with the knowledge but no budget to buy expensive, good tools to do their job.
Well said.. Very True
True
My 90s stage custom sounds better than any expensive set I've owned. I find it amuzing drummers still fall for such hype as
John Good tries to make people swallow.
You learn to tune (tension) drums the same way you learn to play them : practice, practice, practice. Sorry kids, there are no shortcuts.
You're right Ronn!
Enter... Drum Dial... My drums have never sounded better. Nor have they been tuned faster!
thanks for the tip ron bitch
@@jeahhh Anytime bitch.
@@jeahhh And you'd probably be happy with a Mapex Saturn kit. You are welcome Fake Name Coward Troll.
Baloney. Most drums do not cause drum heads to sir crooked on the shell. Sonic Clear profile is not new it's just that Mapex gave it their name and patented the name not the profile. Anyone with a router can cut this edge. Moving on. And the majority of drummers do not struggle with tuning. 99% is BS
I love this concept and it makes perfect sense to me! I just wish that Mapex would offer the possibility of buying individual drums instead of only sets! Or am I wrong? Thanks!
Or you can just use EVANS drum heads, with which you don't have to worry about the "rock" that Remo heads have
That was a talk more than a demo. To my ears the hybrid kits end up sounding what the majority of the wood is (so Armory is basically a birch kit, I don't hear the maple). As far as the bearing edge I agree. I always avoided the 45 bearing edge but some shells sound very good. I just like a slight round edge, focused sound with the meat touching the head better. Many vintage drums have this. Not sure one is better than the other though. To each his own
Just bought a brand new Saturn V 20", 14", 12" kit from Sweetwater. The stock heads, Vintage A's and Aquarian Superkick 2 rock on these bearing edges. All shells measured very close to in round, but they are not true and flat. I sat the bare shells on a 1/4" plate glass and 2 sheets of paper will pass through on opposite sides of bearing edge. The shells also have a slight rocking motion because of this. Im able to tune them and they sound nice but it takes a few minutes to get there. I dont know if they hold a tune or not as they are brand new. I expected better quality
My 12" Saturn V went out of round within 6 months.
Soo, technically - they are "45° Roundovers?"
I wonder how Evans Level 360 heads would sit on these edges...
Hey Conor- Evans drumheads with the Level 360 collar sit flat on both the new and old Mapex bearing edges.
Ben O'Brien Smith
I think that the most interesting thing about that combination is the sound you might get.
perfectly! i own a Mapex Armory with Evans lvl360 G2 on it and it sounds great!
I bought an armory kit as my 3rd tour kit use evans level 360 exclusivly and they tune fine.
I wonder who would use Evans heads.
This is what Tama was doing before Mapex.
Remo needs a version of the 360
Evans 360's also fix this problem
Mapex sound has huge body sound- fact! Now i know one secret 🤫
Habla muuuuy lentooo!! pero la información está genial, muy buen sistema.
if it won't seat level, use Evans level 360
Not on my Master Customs they dont
@@drumphil1879 bro is your kit old? Maybe its because of the wood warping idk.
@@brrosskiee They were the same since 2006 when I bought them sadly. I've always had issues with them. It's not my tuning methods ..I been doing this a long time and I have OCD for for tuning and drums in general.lol..but Ya..It is what it is
I actually did the same test tonight between a drum with a standard 45 and the Mapex...the video is correct...The heads on the standard 45 rock back and forth rediculously
Mapex wasn't lying
now watch once kids have to play a older drum kit they won't know how to properly tune it
Very informative but this video could have been about 5 minutes shorter with the right person presenting it. Try looking at John Good's methods. He comes across far more passionate and especially in longer videos he keeps focus where it needs to be ie on the drums. This guy really saps the life out of a very good concept you guys have and takes a lot away from it just by his monotone voice unfortunately.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I love John Good's videos!
jazz kits cut in the 60's in NY had a rounded outer edge. They did rounded outers with sharp inners in LA in the 70's too. I don't see anything new about this idea at all mapex. I believe you're trying to dupe the young kids who didn't do their homework.
Don't worry if mapex don't doop them. Dw will
The irony is stunning... I only have this bearing edges on the kit I have to pay 3 grand for shells alone. And the more affordable Voyagers don't have it. So the argument of 'an affordable kit should have good bearing edges' is moot.
I have never seen a drumkit that sits heads in such a horrible way like you are describing about the 45 degrees. That is complete bs. Even the cheapest, crappiest drumkits don't do that. Marketing should be authentic, not talking smoke.
Don't worry. Lot of smoke coming from dw too
MARS ON MAPEX SOUNDS LOW and no need to aply moongels , but not all people like to quit sustain in drums . tama silvertars are better than Mapex Mars... in my opinion the results with this sonic clear edges its a lower tone , but no sustain , a short sustain.......to much short..
I've worked with a dozen different brands of drums...including Mapex. Its irrelevant!! Brand of heads also doesnt matter. You can tune or you cant. Its simple experience. Ears and a drum key.
Demonstrates rocking motion on "regular edge" by putting forefinger under the head collar and pulling it up from side to side, demonstrates Mapex edge by pushing forefingers straight down on collar and claiming it doesn't rock at all while it clearly does.
World's worst magic trick.
Wow... you discover... nothing !!
This load of malarkey makes me less interested in Mapex Drums.
Then you should.be more tired of the horseshit coming out of the DW camp. Talk about a slimy used car salesman.
I watched this again today. This is complete nonsense. The head isn't centering because the outside diameter of the shell is too large to conform to the head. That or the head is too small to conform to the shell. Bullnosing the outside cut of the shell to conform to the head isn't what I would call forward thinking - it is obvious. This is just misinformation that causes more confusion, especially for young drummers trying to learn.
Mr. Dunnett...You threaten everyone for defamation over your past spizzy dispute on public forums.....But yet here you are in the comments section of TH-cam publicly saying the Mapex advances are nothing but misinformation to us amateurs and intermediate players .I would have thought a high end boutique drum manufacturer such as yourself might have tuned more your bandwidth to your own professional developments instead of noticing competitors advancements and publicly denying Mapex's claims. Unless you plan on entering a market with drums designed for people like us, you have no business here. It's pathetic actually.
Just so you know, there's no misinformation, Mapex delivered on this bearing edge. You can go hear them on my TH-cam page or go read the positive reviews on them ALL OVER THE INTERNET.
These drums are amazing for the price point, they are easy to tune, sound great in a studio. They deliver exceptional well in the studio environment and from a Sound Engineer point of view they perform well beyond any preceding expectations from a mid level kit.
Either you already know this or your upset you didn't think of it first.
Either way your public comments are borderline on defamation here.
You are NOT the end all, be all judge and jury on drums.
Your more like an internet troll
Pack up your satchel, eat third breakfast and head back to the Shire.
These drums are fantastic 👍
@@drumphil1879 "Phil", apparently qualified opinions that you disagree with bother you. I am delighted.
@@dunnettclassicdrums
Mr. Dunnett.
There's opinions...
Then there's hands on experience and knowledge with regards to these drums.
Please understand the difference.
Mapex delivered everything they said.. There's no misinformation. I know...I own a set.
The proof is in the pudding...all you have to do is listen to my drums on my channel...end of story. The drums speak for themselves regardless of your opinion qualified or not.
@@drumphil1879 If you had read my comments, you would understand that there was no criticism of the product. My comments were directed to the parlour tricks and pantload marketing. Please invest in a remedial reading / spelling course.